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Herm & Schrader
The Great Rick Mast Fills In For Herm, Swapping Classic NASCAR Stories, and Homestead-Miami Breakdown
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Herm is on vacation this week, but don’t worry because Rick Mast fills in with Ken Schrader on this episode, and show producer Charlie Marlow pitches in too
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Rick Mast
Race the rudders.
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Kenny Schrader
Raise the sails.
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Rick Mast
Race the sails. Captain, an unidentified ship is approaching.
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Charlie Marlow
Over.
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Kenny Schrader
Roger.
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Rick Mast
Wait.
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Kenny Schrader
Is that an enterprise sales solution?
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Substance Use Disorder Speaker
Substance use disorder and addiction is so isolating. And so, as a black woman in recovery, hope must be loud. It grows louder when you ask for help and you're vulnerable. It is the thread that lets you know that no matter what happens, you will be okay.
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Rick Mast
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Kenny Schrader
Welcome to the Herman Schrader Show. But obviously, looking at the screen, we've got no herm. We have our, I guess our boss, our director, Charlie Marlow. And we have our guest. Fill in Mr. Rick Mass. So from the middle of America, Charlie and myself and from Virginia, Rock Bridge Bath. Did I say that right?
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Rick Mast
That's close enough. Rock Bridge Bass. The king always gets. He gets up here and gets lost.
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Kenny Schrader
Hey, I wasn't done talking yet. Rick. It's from.
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Rick Mast
Oh, I'm sorry.
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Kenny Schrader
Bass, Virginia. We have special guest and co host today, Rick Mast.
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Charlie Marlow
The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media.
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Kenny Schrader
I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now. He is a drinker in the show. I mean. Yeah. How in the world did we agree to do a podcast? I like spending time with you. That makes me happy. Well, it's all about making you happy. We're always honest. We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truth. What makes you think you're not a little different? You're weird. Herman Schrader. Now, go ahead. What were you gonna say, Rick? Yeah, thanks, Rick.
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Rick Mast
I was going to say you said you. You were close enough. The King and his son, Kyle Petty, they visit Rock Bridge Bass a lot and they still can't get it right. Richard Petty, he still calls it Rick Master. Still.
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Kenny Schrader
Where does the name come from?
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Rick Mast
The county is Rock Bridge because of one of the seven national wonders of the world, the Natural Bridge. Where the speedway is that you raced and I raced at Natural Bridge Speedway. Big hole in the wall. It's a big rock in the wall. That's Rock Bridge. The bass part comes from where I live. There's a pool there. A 30 by 50 pool that warm Healing waters come out out of the ground 24, seven all year long and stonewall Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, General Robert E. Lee, all these cats used to come out here, sit in these holes and they would heal. Called the healing waters. When I was a little child, if I got bee stung or poison ivy on me, my mom would take me down there and put me in that water. And that moss, it even works for, it even works for hemorrhoids. If Johnny Hayes still alive, he would tell you about the story.
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Kenny Schrader
So that, that Natural Bridge Speedway, how close is that speedway to where your cow was in the pasture, by the.
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Rick Mast
Way the bird flies about 15 miles and.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, well, you got the cow. What year did you get the cow?
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Rick Mast
The cow was begotten in the early of 73. I raised it all spring, summer and fall and in the fall I sold the cow for $575. I used that money and bought a 57 Chevrolet race car wrecked with a trailer and took that thing, fixed it up and won in my sixth race with it the next year. I really hadn't turned 16 years of age yet. And then, then I got a speeding ticket and I didn't even have my driver's license. And I went to the judge.
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Kenny Schrader
How'd you get a ticket if you didn't?
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Rick Mast
Well, I had a, some. It wasn't a learner's license. Some other license we had in those days before learners. And anyhow, I went before the judge. He, I'm guilty. You got to pay for this, Rick. I said, okay. He said, no, you've got to pay for it. You can't get money from your mom or dad or whatever. Do you do anything? You work out of school. I know you're in school. Do you work so you can pay for the ticket? I said, yeah, I've got a race car. I raced out here at the racetrack. That was the wrong thing to say to the judge. It was wrong thing to say. He got mad. But anyhow, I got out of it. I'm gonna tell you something guys, I was thinking about this podcast we got Master Trader on here. There's an intelligence level that I'm going to say there's. There are not a podcast in this country that can match our intelligence level no matter what genre it is. Now.
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Kenny Schrader
I don't know what level we're really down there.
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Rick Mast
I just know there's a level that.
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Kenny Schrader
Right at the bottom.
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Rick Mast
We know, yeah, it might be low, but it's low. But we know some stuff, man.
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Kenny Schrader
Oh yeah. When I tell that story about the cow. You didn't sell the cow and buy a race car. You traded the race car. You. You traded the cow for the race car.
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Rick Mast
No.
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Kenny Schrader
Well, no, you did. You traded the cow for money.
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Rick Mast
All right?
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Kenny Schrader
And then you traded the money for the race car. So you traded that for that race car. Is that how you see it, Charlie?
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Charlie Marlow
Yes. And. And so, people. So basically, Rick, this is true. I know. I know. We've. We've heard this. I've heard you tell us before, but you actually did. This isn't. This isn't one things. That's an urban legend. You essentially did start your career by selling or as trader would say, trading this cow. That's legit.
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Rick Mast
That is legit. The car. I still got the car. Dudes up here in the field built down, and all my friends are telling me I need to get it out and fix it up, and I do need to do that tricky story. Need a story to that story. Up at Indy 94, I sat on the pole Niagara, Brickyard 400. We're in the media center with 10,000 media people that me and Kenny have never seen before all over the world. Tom Higgins and Steve Wade in the back. Tell us about the cow. No, y'all shut up. Tell us about the cow. And by this time, they got everybody's attention. So I have to tell the story of the cow. Finally, Wade or Higgins Wood says, well, what was the cow's name, Rick? And I'm like, all right, the cow's name was Ethel until midnight. Then it became baby.
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Kenny Schrader
That's bad.
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Rick Mast
Not everyone in the media center got it, but most of them did.
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Kenny Schrader
All the. All the regulars did. All the guys that followed the series did.
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Charlie Marlow
I'm kind of liking this. This story time vibe. So when did you guys. Do you guys. Either of you remember when you first met or you first raced against one another?
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Kenny Schrader
Oh, I remember going to the races with my grandpa and watching Rick. Yeah.
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Rick Mast
There was a movie called Ben Hur, and I would watch. There's a Schrader guy on this chariot cutting other people's wheels out. I tell you, my first deal with really with Kenny that I knew had arrived. We were in, like, 88 or 89, and I was at Charlotte at a test, and I don't know if I was testing my bush car. I had run two or three cup races, and I, you know, I'm aspiring cup driver. I want to get the cup right. And Schrader's over there with his Hendrick deal, and one of his crew chief. His crew chief Comes over and asks, rick, we got a car over here. Second car. We need you to go shake. Shake it down a few laps when you do it. I said, oh, yeah, man. Henry Dale Schrader still. Yeah. So I go over there. There's a car sitting in the garage. I get in it. Well, Schrader's sitting in the second car up on Jack stands looking at me.
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Kenny Schrader
I thought I was out.
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Rick Mast
This was. This is odd. So anyhow, I get in the car, I go out there, and they. They tell me something about the car, like, this is something a little different or I don't know what's going on. Anyhow, I drove the car, and I don't have a lot of spiritual cup car, but it was kind of a weird feeling thing.
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Substance Use Disorder Speaker
But.
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Rick Mast
But each lap I'd get closer to the edge. You know, I ran four or five laps, and each lap I'd get closer to the edge, and it was driving kind of funny, but it was fast. But as fast as crap, you know, Thing was just hauling ass, and I was getting to the edge of, you know, of where the thing could keep it going without wrecking. And all of a sudden, I lost it in the middle three and four. I looped the thing. It just spun around. And I had been pretty good in my career not doing that kind of stuff. But anyhow, I lost it. And I spun off of turn four, come down by the pit area, like, through the grass, sliding, right? So I come back in and I pull back in and I park it. And the guys are talking to me, and I'm telling them what the car did and all that. I get out to look at Schrader, and he's still sitting in his car up on Jack stands. He. He said, come here. I walked over. He said, see the Rick, There's a reason I kept my ass in this car. I wasn't gonna get in that car because that. That thing's a test car. And I'm not sure what that thing was. I'm like, okay, I like this guy. I like this guy.
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Kenny Schrader
You didn't really spin out. You ran out of the three T's.
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Rick Mast
I don't know.
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Kenny Schrader
Traction tickets.
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Rick Mast
Trash tickets. Trash and traffic. What's other three?
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Kenny Schrader
Traction and talent. That's when you run out of those three T's. That's when you get turned around.
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Rick Mast
Yeah, yeah, I did. I did. There's no doubt.
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Kenny Schrader
Terry Labani told me I got in Neil violence. I got in a Remot car at Bristol. They pulled. They pulled Neil out. He looked like death. Warmed over. He was sick and it drove terrible. And that. That was in the old days where you just, you know, you had to finish and people knocked walls down and stuff. And if you just hung in there, you know, we wound up we finished 10th. And when they drug Neil out and I'm getting in, like, what. What the hell am I doing here then? You know, next pit stop, come in, no radios, you know, come in yellow, and Neil's up in the. In the lawn chair feeling better, giving me a thumbs up. And it's like, no, you get your ass back over here. You drive this damn thing. But Levine told me, he said, you don't never get in someone's car when they get now. And he said, there's. There's a reason they're getting out. You don't get. I only ever had to get out one time. Wrecked it dover, maybe lap 10. I mean, just spun around and slapped left side, not crush panels out. And I went to right at halfway and I got out. And that's before Dover had to. Didn't have a bridge. You know, you were stuck. And Sterling had been. He was already out. And they told him, said now Schrader getting out because it's hot. He says he's melted down. And he said, oh, hell. I said, I'll get in for a while. He ran about three laps and told him, said, you're going to need to get some more drivers. I'm not driving this thing the rest of the race. You don't climb in someone's car that they don't want to drive.
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Rick Mast
I had the same thing, Kenny. I got out of my car one time at Daytona, the fourth of July race. I mean, I was just dead, man. I mean, I didn't have anything left to sweat. And Teddy musgrave had wrecked. And he comes over, he hops in it, right? He gets out. I'd probably run half the race, maybe three quarters of the race. I'd run a good portion of it. And, man, I was. I was in miserable shape. So anyhow, he finishes racing, he comes in, he pulls in the garage, and I'm at the garage, and he gets out of the car. Dude. He looked like he'd been in a Duncan contest, dunking into water. He got out of that thing. I really felt bad for him. I knew how he felt. He said, that's a hot car. I have ever said it in my life. How in the hell did you last as long as you did? I said, I'm just tough, Teddy. I'm just tough, tough and dumb.
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Kenny Schrader
I watched Rusty Wallace walking down pit road. He got in Bud Moore's car. Talladega drove like the last half of the race. And they got a guy. I mean, he's walking over, just talking mile a minute. They got a guy on each side of him holding him up so he can walk. He's junk, but I don't even think he knows it, you know, it was bad, man.
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Rick Mast
I remember when I first came with you guys when they run to Charlotte, the world 600 Sunday in the daytime was so hot. I remember getting out of that car, first time I ever did it. And I was wore out hot. And I looked around, it reminded me of a deer slaughter. Drivers were laying everywhere up down pit road, and everybody had rags on them, pouring water on them. I seen medics running around like, damn, how much do they pay to do this? I don't know about all this. We've come. We've come a long way, Charlie.
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Kenny Schrader
We've come a long way. Mikey and I are sitting on top of somebody's hauler at Bristol. We'd both wrecked. It was the August, the night race. And Daryl is laying beside his car, but he's also kind of laying across the scales because he. I'm sure he's trying to make weight, you know, and someone else is laid out and someone's down getting oxygen, and Harry's there combing his hair, you know, he looks fine. It's just that heat affected people different.
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Charlie Marlow
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Kenny Schrader
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Charlie Marlow
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Kenny Schrader
Race the Rudders. Race the sails.
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Rick Mast
Race the sails.
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Charlie Marlow
Captain, an unidentified ship is approaching.
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Rick Mast
Over.
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Kenny Schrader
Roger, wait. Is that an enterprise sales solution?
- [13:52]
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- [14:10]
Substance Use Disorder Speaker
Substance use disorder and addiction is so isolating. And so, as a black woman in recovery, hope must be loud. It grows louder when you ask for help and you're vulnerable. It is the thread that lets you know that no matter what happens, you will be okay.
- [14:31]
Rick Mast
When we learn the power of hope.
- [14:33]
Substance Use Disorder Speaker
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- [14:37]
Rick Mast
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Kenny Schrader
You know, that's one thing Mike Helton told me that they. They. You know, everything. I mean, I'm a big fan of where everything is now. It's neat. You know, the racing is great and all that, but they really wish that when those guys got out of them cars, they looked like they did something. Man, when you'd see KO and them guys get out of them cars in the 70s and the 80s, they'd look like they'd been in a fight. You know, their face is all grimy and the goggle marks and stuff, and it just don't look like that anymore. I know they're. They're. They're driving their butts off. You can see that. I mean, they're driving those things so hard all day long, but they don't look like it when they get out.
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Rick Mast
No, it's. They need to smear some of that stuff on them, take some of that makeup with them and smear it on before they get out of the car and make them look like that. That's what they ought to do. But I know what you're talking about. I hadn't thought of that. I never heard that before. That. Yeah, it's true, Kenny. It goes back to the hero thing that I always talk about, man. We were. You know, these drivers, when we come along, they're heroes. I mean, hell, you guys, I want to whip your butt every week. You're still my heroes, right? And you were fans heroes. It's weird.
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Kenny Schrader
Did we. We never ran into each other, I don't think.
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Rick Mast
Yeah, you wrecked my ass at Bristol one night. You wrecked me at Bristol in turn one and two. You came back around, and I'm down in the infield, all wadded up. Well, the next week, you come to me, Kenny Schrader, and you say, rick. I said, yeah. He said, last week at Bristol, when me and you got together in one and two, I said, we didn't get together. You hit me. He said, all right. Well, we got together one and two. I come back around. You were sitting there in the bottom. Your car was tore, all pieces. Who else got into you? I said, schrader, when you hit me, I went into the wall backwards, knocked the crap out of the wall. Nobody else touched me. That was 100% you. The results of you wrecking me. You sure nobody hit you, Rick? Kenny, I swear, nobody else hit me. Well, man, I'm sorry, because you remember, and that was one of the races that you apologized in the driver's meeting for hitting anybody before the damn race even starts. Charlie, he got in the driver's beat and he says, now, I want to apologize to each one of you. Some of y'all are going to get hit by me tonight. And I'm telling you right now, I don't mean it. It's a mistake, but I'm just apologizing right now before it even starts with damn.
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Kenny Schrader
Like what taught us, though, Rick, I did not wreck you. I did not wreck you. I bumped you. You had the choice to save it or to wreck, and you decided to wreck.
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Rick Mast
You had told me that another time I used that on Skitter at Richmond. Larry McReynolds will tell you that today. He says I was madder in hell. And he. Skinner come told me. Rick Bass said. He says, now what are you going to say to that? Well, how can you be mad at the man for that? I'm like said, old Trickle folklore, man, you can't be an experience with this stuff. You fight or you figure out how not to fight.
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Kenny Schrader
Lajoy dumped me on a bush race at Atlanta off of 2. Petrie's car spun around, hit the inside, walked in trailer. Petrie's hot. I said, I'll wreck him next time I get a chance. He said, no, you won't. I said, I'll wreck him. 100. I'll wreck him next time I get a chance. He said, you won't do it. I said, 100 hours. And that was in the spring. I caught him with a lap car and three wide going into three at Richmond. So I turned him around and knocked the back of it off. Reno and them brought it over. It was in my yard Monday night when I got home from work. They had the whole rear clip hanging, sitting in the yard. So, you know. But I walked in the trailer right after race. Petrie just held up 100. Took it out of his hand. I guess that stuff still goes on.
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Charlie Marlow
Is that typical, though? You think of racers of what you remember? Because clearly Schrader did not remember wrecking you wreck, but you right away remembered exactly where it happened.
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Rick Mast
Yeah, well, what I. What. What I remembered about it was his take on it, Right? His take was what he just said. Yeah, you wrecked out. I hit you. But you left it direct, right or at that, and been really, really concerned. Not concerned, but confused about how bad that car was tore up because she just barely. You remember the car was tore up.
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Kenny Schrader
You remember a lot better when you're the one that gets tore up.
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Rick Mast
Yeah. Yeah.
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Kenny Schrader
Where was it? I've heard you tell a story about it was Richmond senior got. Got India, then it was rocking him. He was in the park where we parked it.
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Rick Mast
Car. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he. It was my first big time deal, Kenny, with Charlie, with Skull, right? I worked my whole life to get a big deal and got skull. We'd go to Daytona, finished fourth. Then we go to Richmond, qualified 12th or 13th. Race had just started. Go down the back stretch. We go in three. This bam. Turns me around, hits the wall. I go into the wall, come in, you know, and I'm up on Jack stands and Kenny, you'll appreciate this. Bob Johnson's my crew chief. And I'm sitting in the car and they're all up in the car working and I'm cussing on the radio. Finally I look over and everybody's sitting on the truck and I'm like, what are you doing? I said, bob, what are you doing? He comes, he's Rick. We. I pull the boys off. Fixed your car. Why? I know what you're fixing to do. He said, what do you mean? I said, what do you mean? He says, I know what you're going to do, but I'm not gonna let you do it. I said, fix car, Bob. I gotta get back out, pay back. I ain't gonna let you do it. He said, you're young. It's your first but good gig. Everybody likes you. You got a long ways to last this sport. I'm not gonna let you go out there, do this crap. So I get out of the car myself, start beating on the car myself and all my crew guys sitting over watching me, man. Anyhow, we don't. Nothing happens, I don't get it back. We go to Rockingham the next week, pull into the garage area or into the infield parking, and I get out of my car, my driving car, to go into the garage. And I don't know where the hell he came from, but I turned around and there's somebody's bed over with their butt stuck up at me, right? And I look around and it's Earnhardt. I says, dale, what are you doing? He says, go ahead and kick it, man. Rick, I know you want to, right? And you know that it. It kind of went from there.
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Kenny Schrader
So how come we didn't pay him back as much as we should have?
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Rick Mast
You know, he had a way. He just had a way. And I think about me and him was he had helped me a lot.
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Kenny Schrader
Kenny, you know what I mean?
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Rick Mast
With my bush car. He. He helped me a lot with a lot of things in my life. And with my racing and all that off the track and, you know, and I told him, I said. I told him right then, I says, earnhardt, let me tell you something. I said, you know what I've been through, and I appreciate the help you've given me. He said, but I'm the last guy on the racetrack. I thought you'd have done something like that, dude. And I'm telling you, you could have bought him for a nickel. He said, rick, I went in there, I hit the damn apron with the left front tire, and it just shot me up. That's what happened. And it was. That was true. I understood what happened. But as a young guy coming into sport, I'd always had to mark my territory. Dude, if somebody. You move up a rank and they pick on you, you got to take. You know, you got to protect yourself and take care of it. But, you know, is this one of them. It's one of those deals. He would do that to folks. He come and talk to you, put his arm around, grab you by the neck and say, man, you know, Hermit.
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Kenny Schrader
Going into three at Pocono. Three at Pocono, you know, and we're running. It's lap five. We're running fourth and fifth, maybe, and spun around and, you know, the air duct that was on the left side helmet broke, that thing all up on the B post. Oh, you know, that was. That was big. And. But I know that was the week after. I had Junior all week, so I know that was far. I knew why that. I knew that was coming.
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Charlie Marlow
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Kenny Schrader
I got a buddy that, you know, you don't. There's just nothing to it. It's just bull. I got a buddy that don't eat chicken on race day. You know, you've heard that stuff, Rick. I mean, get people different things. So anytime we go together, I always order chicken sandwich no matter what. Not I'm a big chicken guy, but our chicken just to aggravate him.
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Rick Mast
That's what went wrong with my career.
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Kenny Schrader
You didn't eat enough chicken.
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Rick Mast
I didn't have, I didn't have 50s, I didn't have green Sharpies. You know, I didn't have peanuts. God knows I didn't have peanuts.
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Kenny Schrader
You know the peanut thing, I think I heard that come from years and years ago. Couple people that got killed at the indie and you know, because the, the shops would be open all night long. The garages, you could, we could, you know, you working. But they found peanut shells in couple of them cars. Not a lot obviously, but you know, like someone. That's what I heard. I need, we need to research that, find out. But that was the peanut deal. In the 50s, the Wood brothers got me our nose and we had a little 100 hour bet every week. We had, we had 50 hour better in qualifying. Not that we better than any of the stuff, you know, but we just, it was just a friendly little, I mean, had it for years. Started with Mr. Dunleavy with, you know, when I was driving him. Me and Mike smith had better 50 hours qualifying and 50 hours and race finish. So you either break even or win or lose a hundred. And boy, they didn't like them 50s. And I always, I didn't care, but always, if I had to pay them, I always paid them in 50s.
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Rick Mast
Hey, the best one of those deals I ever heard. They were asking Ricky Rudd one time about, about, about all that, the drinks and $50. And he said, no, no, I don't, I don't buy into any of that kind of stuff. He said, of course, you know, I don't, I don't walk under ladders or anything obvious like that. I'm like.
- [25:51]
Kenny Schrader
Okay, all right, Ricky, Ricky Rudd. I always think of, I got to be his teammate at Hendrick for a while. He was. He was great. We run into each other at Martinsville one time. I mean, run first and second and I mean destroyed. And neither one was really. I wasn't really mad at him, and I don't. He didn't seem real mad at me because we don't. Neither one of us really thought we did anything real wrong and didn't think the other guy did either. We just managed to wreck. And Papa Joe, he. That was big. He was laying in the truck. We thought, we're gonna have to revive him. But Rick's daddy. But Kyle wrecked Ricky one time at Martinsville, and Kyle made the ambulance. They had opened the gate and the ambulance took him out and he stopped, made him stop at top hill, and he got out and got his car and drove home. But he didn't want to have to walk up that hill after that race after wrecking Ricky.
- [27:03]
Rick Mast
There's more to it than just setting the easy part. There's more to this racing. Yeah, that's. Yeah, the racing part's the easy part. That's a part you'd love. Enjoy.
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- [28:15]
Kenny Schrader
So, Larson, two out of three at Homestead with. Should have been three.
- [28:20]
Charlie Marlow
Were you guys rooting for the triple?
- [28:23]
Kenny Schrader
Oh, I. He's that good. Just try to stop him, you know, I mean, he is that the good everything good team good this, good that. But it's. He's not, you know, he's not just a good cup driver. Oh, I did watch him Thursday night. Where were they at? High limit. Sprint car started 6th something and one one net too. So it was Thursday in the Sprint car. It was out west somewhere. Homestead in the truck Friday, Dominic Carr, Saturday during Xfinity, didn't happen for a late restart. And I didn't see all Sundays, but I was told that he was like, fifth or sixth and drove up there and got to him, and then one of the bees got in the fence a little bit and drove on by. And, I mean, he just. He's just. He's, you know, after Stuart was there at. Not after Gordon was there for a couple years, you know, and he figured stuff out. He was like, oh, we didn't see nothing like him. And Tony was like, you know, oh, that's. He's something special, this kid is, too.
- [29:49]
Rick Mast
Yeah. If Gordon had been running a lot of these outlaw or the surgery races the way Kyle does, he probably be talking the same thing, because that was his background. That's where he came from, you know, and he's just. He's just one of those guys. He's like, kyle, you just plug in a car, it's got four wheels or tires or whatever, they're going to go fast. I mean, it's just, you know, and you see these guys. I'm assuming, guys, that's the way AJ was. I'm assuming that's the way Mario was. Right. We did. None of us got to see him doing that stuff, but I'm assuming it's the same. Same type of thing. And. And, you know, you just. You just. It's so cool to witness it. And I like going on flow and those other things, watching when he's running those things and it. Just to watch him get in another car. Right. And, hell, you look up and he's leading the frigging race. You're like, goodness gracious. And you talk to people. I know you do a lot more than I do, Kenny, but you talk to people. I have a few people that. That he's driven for. Right. And some of this dirt stuff, and they talk about him and what he does, and they're just sitting there with their mouths hanging open still, two months after the fact of how that kid did that. I don't know how that kid did.
- [30:56]
Kenny Schrader
That, but, you know, well, he almost did the triple this week, which Kyle Busch, the only one that's done it. Done it twice, I believe.
- [31:08]
Charlie Marlow
Was it Bristol?
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Kenny Schrader
I don't know.
- [31:12]
Rick Mast
See? Yeah, they showed a thing. It was Bristol. One of them. Bristol. Yeah. Yeah.
- [31:16]
Kenny Schrader
Okay.
- [31:16]
Rick Mast
Yep.
- [31:17]
Kenny Schrader
So, yeah, and he'll do it. It's just a matter of when he'll do it. He will get it done. And, you know, the one thing got a Big give a big attaboy. Is that was spire truck, right?
- [31:32]
Rick Mast
Yes.
- [31:32]
Kenny Schrader
Think of a spire truck. And the spire cup cars have been, you know, I mean, they've come a long way. They're. They're looking good, which I think you can attribute a lot of that to the new car. You know, everybody's got the same basic stuff.
- [31:50]
Rick Mast
Yeah, yeah, that's true. And you know, it goes back to what they were trying to achieve by bringing this car out. You know, the top teams are still going to get the most deal out of them, the most out of it. But it does close that. It does close that area of things you can do way up. Right. I mean, these guys are making widgets and crap in the CNC machines and going through the simulations or make another widget and just spending zillions of dollars making these little parts and pieces. And if he made 10 of them, one of them might would work, Right. But if it did work, that puts you above everybody else. You know, they've kind of taken all that out of the equation. It's really just, you know, we screw those screws down now. I guess I'm right about that.
- [32:34]
Kenny Schrader
Well, and there's a lot of. A lot of people will say that they don't like that they've taken that out. But what they took out, I mean, it's our sports. Stupid expensive. But what they took out was just ridiculous amount of money. Now here's your stuff. You have to work with this stuff. This is what you're going to build your car with these pieces. So, yes, they did take that part out of it, but I think they made it better.
- [33:05]
Rick Mast
Yeah, no doubt, Kenny. No doubt. Dude. I went to Richard childish racing one time in 2012 or 13, and I'd been out of sport for 10 years. Went down there because I had another little deal with a Mexican guy wanting to start a team. And we were going to do it, children. Anyhow, Richard took me through his facility and I'm. You know, you go in one shop as. What's that? That's all the CAD systems. That's our computer guys. Damn. The whole building's filled up. The computer is a guy sitting there punching numbers, folks. I said, what are they doing? They're building pieces. What kind of pieces? Well, look, here's a steering arm or here's a spindle, right? They build them on the computer, putting them through loads. And anyhow, the long story short, they'd come out of that, spit it in a plastic Jackson machine, Then they hook that up and physically put it on a jig and work it. If that showed promise, then they spit it in the CNC machine, which is a whole nother great big building full of CNC machines sitting there spitting metal out all day long to make this spindle right or piece. Then they put it on a car and put it on this, the shaker rack and do all this. And then if it got through all that, it would show up at a racetrack sometime and as they told me, they send the driver out there and they would back to back it, he run two or three laps if he didn't like it, not throw it away, right? And I'm like, how much friggin money are we wasting or spending doing all this crap? And that's to Kenny's point, that's Charlie, that's what, that's what they took out by taking. But with this, with this new car.
- [34:30]
Kenny Schrader
That'S, that's, that's one thing I, I didn't like to do. If ever they had something new, you know, I didn't like trying it. I tried to get someone else take the car up.
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Rick Mast
Especially dumbass rookies. It was fast. So it was fast.
- [34:47]
Kenny Schrader
Let Rick drive.
- [34:52]
Rick Mast
He'Ll eat anything. But it was fast. I'll give you credit, it was fun.
- [34:55]
Kenny Schrader
These guys got all these machines and all this stuff and all these big shops and you just had a cow. You just had a cow.
- [35:04]
Rick Mast
True, true.
- [35:07]
Kenny Schrader
All right, Charlie.
- [35:08]
Charlie Marlow
You guys think so? So in that race when at the end one of the bees, Bowman is leading and you see that Kyle Larson, he's, he's gaining on him. And I, I think at one point Larson maybe would have been able to pass him. It with, with about two laps to go, but then Bowman gets into the fence and Larson's able to pass him. Do you think, I mean, for, for Alex Bowman, is that, is that the pressure of Kyle Larson being on his, his heels? I mean we see other drivers that make mistakes like that. But do you think that's, is that the difference sometimes between a Larson and a Bowman?
- [35:43]
Kenny Schrader
I, I just think that that's the what, that's what can happen real easy when you're trying to run around that circle as fast you can as close to the fence, because the closer you are to the fence, the faster you go. And it's just, you know, you just missed it by this much and then all of a sudden you're in the fence.
- [36:04]
Rick Mast
Yeah, Bowman, you know, and he has it. I say this, he hasn't been in that position as much as Kyle. Right. In fact, Nobody's getting as high as Kyle. I knew Stern race. So a lot of the guys were getting up in that Kyle Larson mode, right? Just three inches off the wall. And Bowman had done it, but you know, Larson had done it for three days in a row, dude. In different vehicles, right. He knocked the wall down and race started there a couple times. He was tested out. If you remember, he hit the wall two or three times. Started that race Sunday and I guess he figured out, okay, I can't go over that line, you know, so Bowman, you know, he, and he wasn't running like that to the last part of the race. Bowman up there like that. So he didn't have the experience of, you know where that line is. And I'm gonna tell you something, Kitty, you're three inches off that line. It's like Darlington. You're three inches off the line and you're feathering the gas and feather the steering wheel. That's pretty, that's pretty good, don't you think? It's pretty good.
- [37:03]
Kenny Schrader
Well, how many times in the past have we seen Kyle haul butt around that top but get into the fence?
- [37:12]
Rick Mast
Yeah.
- [37:12]
Kenny Schrader
You know, I mean, many times. And you're, you're going to, you're going to. But he's going to do it. He's going to run. It appears right now that he's going to run closer to it and more consistent than, than anybody else right now.
- [37:29]
Charlie Marlow
The dominant car of the day though you have, you have the, the early bad season luck for Ryan Blaney. He's led 147 laps. I feel like about three of these races, two or three, we've only had six. The Ryan Blaney has had the best car and still no wins. Blows up, blows an engine, I heard.
- [37:46]
Kenny Schrader
Today, which I drove 14 and a half hours. Drove the hauler last night. So I listened to a lot of stuff. But I heard that Josh Berry and the Wood Brothers car twice as many top five now. We're only what, six in. She said twice as many top fives as Team Penske has so far this year, which is only. It's two versus one. But still, I mean, that's not Team Penske normal. But they were 12 races or something last year before they won the first one. Boy, Rick. And I would love to say, man, it's been friggin 12 races since we won. Right, Rick? That would.
- [38:36]
Rick Mast
I don't know if I can live with myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know they. And I know y'all went over this last week on the Show. But I gotta add my two cents, man. Just the deal with Josh Berry just through the roof, just through the roof for me. Just because the guy, his background, you know, where he's at, where he, what, what he, what he's been through, what he's done, what he knows, what his knowledge is, right? They always talk about, and I talk to Eddie a lot and always talks about how calm this guy is. And he keeps saying, the word he keeps saying to me is normal. He's normal. And for a racer in 50 years experience to call somebody normal, well, that's normal to Eraser, but it's not normal to the rest of the world. Okay, but you know, to see, to see him doing what he's doing with that group. I'm gonna tell you something, guys. NASCAR needs, they need the Wood Brothers car out front, right? They need that. It's like when Junior was running, they needed Junior to be a champion. It didn't happen, but there's certain things that need to happen. That 21 car needs to be out front, in my opinion, for the betterment of our sport. And it could, it couldn't be with a better group of people. And you know, he had a good car. He had a good car Sunday, man, to got wrecked on pit road and that, that took him out of it. But yeah, I just wanted to add that because I didn't get to join in last week's conversation y'all had about him.
- [39:55]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, we, we was, I'm sorry, we, we cried calling, but. Well, I went straight to voicemail like it did today when I called you. Voicemail, I understand.
- [40:06]
Rick Mast
That's like, that's like you used to get the call, Kitty used to get the call. We always people getting the call, call Charlie, nascar, you get the call for the big plate. Get the call, you get the call. Schrader says I give them all my damn numbers. Yeah, I never got a call.
- [40:21]
Kenny Schrader
I never get a call. You know, so and so is going to win this week. He got the call. Yeah, I was there 29 friggin years and I never really pissed a lot of them off and I never got the call.
- [40:33]
Rick Mast
And they had all your numbers. They had your number.
- [40:35]
Kenny Schrader
They had my numbers. I made sure they had me know. Hey, off the subject a little bit. Your son Ricky was how old when the twins were born?
- [40:46]
Rick Mast
He would have been 12, 13. Thirteen.
- [40:50]
Kenny Schrader
The twin girls. And you told me a story about you telling him at the dinner table about how they're going to rely on him. Gonna need a little help around there. And he told you he thought he was moving downstairs? You told me.
- [41:07]
Rick Mast
Yeah. He said, the basement's not finished, dad. Whether it's finished or not, I'm moving downstairs. And furthermore, I ain't never having any kids. This is the best. This is the best remedy for birth control there is in the world. Trying to take care of you guys.
- [41:26]
Kenny Schrader
Got yourself in this.
- [41:28]
Rick Mast
That's right. That's what he said, Ken. Yeah.
- [41:29]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, I remember.
- [41:30]
Rick Mast
Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, you and my time got yourselves into this. You get yourselves out of it. I'm not a part of it.
- [41:38]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah.
- [41:40]
Rick Mast
I'm going to the basement.
- [41:41]
Kenny Schrader
And then when. When we talk about. Small world. When Chase hurt himself a couple years ago skiing.
- [41:52]
Rick Mast
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [41:54]
Kenny Schrader
The hospital. Was your daughter?
- [41:56]
Rick Mast
Yeah, Katie. She's at. She's doing a medical residency at Steadman Clinic up Orthopedic center in Vail, Colorado. You know, they. It's kind of a highfalutin type thing, man. They do all the Olympic athletes and professional athletes, if you'll loose. Hamilton's got a. He's got a thing up on the wall or he was there, right? The famous F1 drop. Anyhow, Katie's there. One day, his phone rings. Is Cindy. Katie? Yeah. You still work, study, clinic? Yeah. Well, listen, Chase is up on the mountain. He's gotten hurt. Freaking Bill. I can't get no information out of him. Said, I don't know how bad he's hurt. Can you check in on him? So Katie took it from there. He. She met him at the hospital and made sure he had the right doctor and the right PT and all that stuff. And then. It was a cool deal. It was a cool deal. A lot of funny stories to that with Bill being there, talking to the doctor that these people at this clinic had no idea about nascar, the racing, their culture, right? And it was just. They all love it. Now they've been to the races. Dr. Vidal of Dr. The staff with Katie, they've all gone. They've all been to three or four races, and they just love this stuff and talk about the culture. One time they were talking later on, and Bill looks at Dr. The Dr. Vidal, Katie's boss, and said, you know, I don't know where Katie gets it from, but if it hadn't been for Katie, I don't know what Chase would have done here, because she sure don't get it from that goofball daddy of hers, right? So they walking down the hall, and Dr. Vidal looks at Katie and he says, I thought you said Mr. Elliott and your daddy were friends. Katie says, well, they are. He said, well, why would he say that about him? Katie says, you don't understand our culture, Doc.
- [43:42]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, I can say that about him. You can't say that about him, but.
- [43:45]
Rick Mast
I can say that, right, exactly, exactly, exactly. That was a cool, that was a very cool deal. Very cool deal that, that she was able to do that for Chase. Because I'm gonna tell you something, man, racers. And that's the other thing that happened. Bill told him when the doc says he's gonna be out for three months, Bill says, no, no, no, you don't understand. We are different. We are different. All that boy's got to do is get on a bike and get that blood going through the, to those bones and get it healed. Right? Or whatever the deal was. It was just funny, funny little interactions. I would hear about different things.
- [44:26]
Kenny Schrader
I'm sure, I'm sure Chase thought it was hilarious.
- [44:29]
Rick Mast
Oh yeah, I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did. But it was a, it was a cool experience for everybody except for poor Chase.
- [44:35]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, you know. All right, Charlie, you're up. We, Rick got us off track again.
- [44:40]
Rick Mast
Yeah.
- [44:40]
Charlie Marlow
Oh, I love it. And you were talking about calls. We might as well, we might as well do it now because you were talking about taking the phone calls and, and Rick did say, trader, he said that you are famous for making some late night calls and Rick said the other day what, how long did you talk on the phone for a good hour and a half or so.
- [45:00]
Rick Mast
Yeah, but it was a daytime, it was an even call. It wasn't a 3:00 morning call, but Anne was on the phone on this call so that I guess that's what precipitated or made it, made it better.
- [45:11]
Kenny Schrader
Well, you know, it wasn't a 3 o'clock in the morning call because we started earlier.
- [45:20]
Rick Mast
I'm sure somebody got the call at 3:00 in the morning.
- [45:23]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah.
- [45:26]
Rick Mast
We started at 7 and it's about 8 or 8:30. So you know, it's funny, Kenny or Carly, I, I was telling what I, when I did the Dale Jr. Download one time, I was telling Dale about, I'd called. I was reliving this, reliving the story about at Talladega when I supposedly bumped Harry the last lap because he run out of fuel.
- [45:48]
Kenny Schrader
You didn't bump him, you pushed him forever.
- [45:52]
Rick Mast
It ain't on camera, dude. It's not on camera. Anyhow, I called Daryl up and I was telling him, I just really did that story And I'm telling you, about two to three minutes into the story, Daryl goes back into the moment. I mean, dude, four minutes into the story, he's madder and a wet hen. I mean, he's like. He was right back in that moment of getting screwed out of winning that race and just got the custody caring. Before this, he's telling me about how all the repenting he done, you know, and how, you know, he looked back on things he wish he'd done different, and he loves everybody. But then we talk about the deal. Three minutes, man. He's cussing, all right? And I told him, darryl, your spoiler was laid down. You. You were cheating, too. I said, earnhardt finished.
- [46:39]
Kenny Schrader
You were cheating.
- [46:40]
Rick Mast
He should have won. I said, earnhardt should have won. Well, I didn't say he was cheated, too. I've never owned up to that. I bumped him. I bumped him. I bumped him. Anyhow, I called Dale next day, telling me about that story, and Dale says, you know, I always wonder, you guys, Rick, all you guys, he said, I just have in my mind that all you guys kind of stay in touch somehow. Another by phone or whatever. I said. I said, kenny, I can't speak for everybody, but I do with a lot of. A lot of folks. A lot of the guys that I've come up with and race with through the 80s and 90s, I keep up with. We talk on the phone a lot, and we don't get to hang out like we do because we live all over the place. But, you know, we do. He says, you know, it's a sad thing. He says, I guarantee you right now, the guys that's racing right now, 20 years from now, they wouldn't even know whether I was even alive or not. I'm like, well, I don't know, man. We were just different. Is a different time period.
- [47:32]
Kenny Schrader
I call Daryl, and he'll answer. He said, yeah. And I said, I just want to talk to Stevie. I gotta tell one Daryl story, man. We are off to our subject, but. So Daryl breaks his leg at Daytona, right? Practicing.
- [47:52]
Rick Mast
Yeah.
- [47:53]
Kenny Schrader
Firecracker when Marcus hit him.
- [47:56]
Rick Mast
Yeah, I remember that.
- [47:58]
Kenny Schrader
So Mikey and I went up to Halifax. Well, he's laying there in it, bones sticking out and stuff. It's like, you know, well, years later, we're not many years later, but we're at a Exxon dinner, week four, one first race, couple nights a couple days for one first race. And he. He's. They were. It was a big group. There's some wine. They had a lot of wine. Daryl had enough wine and not bad, but he was just funny. And so several years later, we went to that dinner the next year. I think this was the year he broke his leg. We went that dinner next year and the waiter said, anyone, anybody want some wine? And Daryl said, not me. And I said, said, you're not gonna have any wine. You enjoyed it last year. He said, well, I. After I had that accident, I. I quit drinking. I said, oh. I said, remember me coming to the emergency room with your brother and we're looking at that bone sticking out your leg? He said, yeah. I said, after you had your accidents, when I really stepped up my drink, it's like, oh, I don't want that to happen. Daryl, he got to meet his teammate, too. That was fun. He was a lot of fun.
- [49:33]
Rick Mast
Yeah.
- [49:34]
Kenny Schrader
Learn a lot.
- [49:35]
Rick Mast
He was one of them, man. He's one of our heroes.
- [49:37]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah. You know, I, I heard Kyle Busch talking about, he's young, he's new, he does something that he knew he messed up to. Tony, he gets in the motorhome lot. Someone comes and gets himself, hey, Tony wants you to come see his bus or come in his bus. He said, oh. So he goes in there and Tony said, hey, listen, you don't, you know, you're. You're good. You're going to win races, you're going to win championship. Probably just, you gotta. Gotta calm down, you gotta do this, gotta do that. And they were asking him why he doesn't do that now with some of the kids. And he said, it's just. He said, you can't. It's just different. He said, it's a different. Our sports changed. It's different. The mentality and the way they race is just different. Then they don't, they don't care. That's not the way they're gonna do it anymore. Yeah, nothing wrong with the way they're doing it now. It's just different. It's just different.
- [50:42]
Rick Mast
Different. That's what people ask me all the time, right? Do you like it? Do you like your sport now? What's going on? Or what you think? And my standard answer is, guys, I'm not going to tell you if it's better or worse. All I'm going to tell you is it's different. That's my standard effort. It's just different. What, what stays the same, though, guys, is when you strap into that car, you put the belts on, start the engine. That part is pure. When they drop the green flag, what you do as a driver is no different than you And I did Curtis Turner, did Funny Flop, did Richard Petty. That part stays pure. The part when they stop the car, you get out. I mean, you don't know if you got, you know, you don't know Jen's. You're not thinking about being a gen 6 or next gen or, you know, a short wheelbase. You're thinking about the four tires and what you're doing with the race car. That part piece stays pure band and everything else changes. So when you watch these guys like today driving them, you know what they're doing in that car. They're doing all they could do to keep from record to go fast as they can. And you know, no matter what else goes on, the criticisms of this, that the other, you know, that part to me is always going to make this sport have some sort of relevance because that part is pure.
- [51:54]
Kenny Schrader
Right. The part so much of. I mean, our sports a lot different. The world's a lot different. You know, it's not just our sport, it's. The world's a lot different.
- [52:07]
Rick Mast
Yeah.
- [52:08]
Kenny Schrader
I just think that whether, like whether we're sitting at the. Working on the cars in the shop or someone's sitting on a couch in the living room. What you're watching on TV today is never been as good as it is. I mean, I just think it is phenomenal racing.
- [52:27]
Rick Mast
There's no doubt. No doubt. You talk about the good old days. My good old days weren't that good. My good old days worked my ass off, man, being broke.
- [52:36]
Kenny Schrader
Mr. Dyn Levy told me, he said, best I remember about the good old days is six of us would drive to the racetrack, you know, to get there early in the morning. Like if they were in Atlanta or something, you know, hike from Richmond, run down there so they could be there at five in the morning and sleep in that damn station wagon until the garage opened up. He said the good old days weren't that good. The best. I remember.
- [53:02]
Rick Mast
Hey, Schrader, did you ever get the lady and get your alumni deal going? Your Dasker alumni deal going?
- [53:09]
Kenny Schrader
Yes. Yes.
- [53:10]
Rick Mast
Okay. All right. Thank you for that.
- [53:12]
Kenny Schrader
Yes. No, thank you. Making that.
- [53:14]
Rick Mast
Okay. All right.
- [53:15]
Kenny Schrader
Sure did.
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Rick Mast
Yeah. All right.
- [53:16]
Kenny Schrader
I can't do Darlington.
- [53:18]
Rick Mast
No, I can't either.
- [53:20]
Kenny Schrader
I can't either. I see that's the thing, is a lot of you guys are retired and I still got to work. I've still got a job.
- [53:28]
Rick Mast
Hey, man, I was at Atlanta last fall with Eddie Wood. We were talking about. I was there in the garage area. We're talking about different things. Talk about, you Know, damn the sport. This damn sport that things have changed on. No, no. But she finally said, you know what, Ricko? I said, what? He says, I still get to be at the racetrack. I says, get it? I mean, Eddie, I know. I said, that's the deal. I said, man, it was my life, my whole life. And I brought your name up. I said, you're still here. I said when I got out of the car, I'm not a car owner and I don't race these other things, you know, I miss it. I can't be a part of it. This alumni thing helps me. I said, but take somebody like Schrader. He still raced it all the time, so he's still a big part of it. You know what I'm saying? And it makes a big difference.
- [54:06]
Kenny Schrader
It'd be a screwed up deal to not be in no more. I mean, like, you know, you can go to any race you want. You can do this and that, which is great. But if as hard as it was to get in, still is to get in, let me screw it up. If you. Because you feel lost when you walk in that garage area right now, you feel lost, you know.
- [54:30]
Rick Mast
Yeah, yeah.
- [54:31]
Kenny Schrader
But then I see, you know, older guy like you, and I. I feel better.
- [54:36]
Rick Mast
See, there you go. I do notice one thing. Every time I go back, there are less and less of us there. I do know that. You know me. But then, but then I've noticed when you walk by straight, I say, he's that old guy going there. That's that masked fella, right? That's that masked fella. I'm like, that's right. I'm the man. Keep it up. I'm the man.
- [54:56]
Kenny Schrader
Don't forget.
- [54:57]
Rick Mast
Don't forget I had a cow named Baby after midnight. The Quarter Pounder with Cheese had many great things. Maple flavored griddle cakes isn't one of them. McDonald's breakfast comes first.
- [55:16]
Kenny Schrader
Ba da ba ba ba.
- [55:19]
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- [55:50]
Rick Mast
Okay.
- [55:51]
Kenny Schrader
All right, Charlie, you're up, you're up.
- [55:54]
Rick Mast
We digress.
- [55:55]
Kenny Schrader
He's already talking about that baby cow.
- [55:59]
Charlie Marlow
Hey, that's a great story. I've heard it multiple times, but it's a great story each and every time. Now we have jokes. Schrader likes to keep the show to around an hour. We're getting close there.
- [56:11]
Kenny Schrader
What?
- [56:11]
Charlie Marlow
One more.
- [56:12]
Kenny Schrader
I didn't.
- [56:12]
Charlie Marlow
Nascar.
- [56:13]
Rick Mast
What?
- [56:14]
Kenny Schrader
I didn't say. I like keep it around an hour.
- [56:16]
Rick Mast
When Earnhardt would come do autographs at my place, he'd stay for two hours.
- [56:21]
Kenny Schrader
We're not saying for.
- [56:22]
Charlie Marlow
You want to go two hours now?
- [56:27]
Kenny Schrader
All right, well, here you do the. Did you do the Dale Earnhardt autograph days at Dale Earnhardt Chevrolet?
- [56:34]
Rick Mast
No.
- [56:34]
Kenny Schrader
You never do that.
- [56:35]
Rick Mast
I never did do that.
- [56:38]
Kenny Schrader
Don't remember the Winston preview?
- [56:40]
Rick Mast
Yes.
- [56:40]
Kenny Schrader
I had to fly back from Tulsa running the Chili Bowl. Had to fly back one time. I mean, I wasn't going to make it. And I got a phone call from T. Wayne. He said, schrader, we need you to be there. Like, you know, it wasn't that he needed me to be there, but, you know, should be there. And I said, man, T. Wayne, I'm in Tulsa that day. It's Saturday, Chili Bowl. He said, well, we can put you in the morning thing and you can get back and run it and thinking, man, it's going to cost friggin fortune. Fly there back. And I said, T. Wayne, do I gotta go? He said, oh, you don't have to. He said, if you don't want. He said, hey, where do you want me to send this bill from? What was Sir Harry's or something? The. The bar that was in the lobby at the Waldorf. Sir Harry's or something. We were in there one Thursday night or banquet weekend, and Sterling and Mikey, there was a bunch was in there and the bill came and we. It was a couple grand. You know, we've been in there when they had a group and everybody's starting to dig. And I. I said, I got it, I get it. Well, I just signed it. I said, room 35A, which was the Champion Suite, you know. I said, sign it 35A. Dale Earnhardt by Ken Schrader. If I had to pay up later, I'd pay up, you know. But T. Wayne called or he said, hey, just stay in Tulsa. Where. Where you want me send this bill. I said, I'll be there.
- [58:30]
Rick Mast
I'll be there.
- [58:30]
Kenny Schrader
But them guys did. Them guys did so much for all of us, you know, Winston, for everybody.
- [58:36]
Rick Mast
Doesn'T know T. Wayne Robinson was Winston. He was the Winston deal man in our sponsorship. He was the guy.
- [58:43]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, it really was they had, they had so many good, good guys on their team. Guys and ladies. And how many of them wound up becoming track president since they all did.
- [58:56]
Rick Mast
Everybody there become track presidents? It seemed like. Yeah, yeah.
- [59:00]
Kenny Schrader
It made me think that I could be a track president someday.
- [59:07]
Rick Mast
There's an intelligence level. That's what we're talking about about here.
- [59:11]
Kenny Schrader
We, we. Man, we've had. And I know every sport and every business is like a. I guess just because we got so many people that, you know, really love what they're doing and love this profession and are just be involved in the deal.
- [59:27]
Rick Mast
Yeah.
- [59:28]
Kenny Schrader
And we've had some good people.
- [59:31]
Rick Mast
Yeah, sure have. Very.
- [59:35]
Kenny Schrader
Charlie.
- [59:36]
Charlie Marlow
All right. No, these stories are fantastic. I'm curious though. You have, you have this narrative that's kind of coming back again after Homestead, which was great racing and it wasn't a wreck fest and pretty good clean racing and bringing back the whole storyline of should that be the, the championship weekend or should it be rotated? There's even some discussion that maybe that's already in talks and that was potentially leaked. I don't know exactly. But what are your thoughts on that? Do you think Homestead should be in the mix? Should it be the championship weekend? Keep it the way it is. What do you guys think?
- [60:13]
Rick Mast
Unless, in my opinion, unless they want Pesky to continue to be the champion each year, they got to move it from Phoenix because the championship comes down to the last fragging race and the Prinsky cars have got something figured out about turning in the center and hooking up the gas at that racetrack for the last two or three years. That's my take.
- [60:35]
Kenny Schrader
I, I think, you know, we, we're kind of. Well, we got a lot of good places, but I, I think it ought to rotate. Maybe not every year, but I think it, it should rotate, you know.
- [60:52]
Rick Mast
But yeah, I agree. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that too.
- [60:56]
Kenny Schrader
And I've heard that, you know, some, some cities are involved in bidding for potential, you know, for to. To have that weekend because it's got to make a difference to the city. So, you know, we want to, I mean it is a big deal. We want to treat it, we want to these to be treated how big it is and get the attention in different cities. It'll get more attention. But Rick and I are not going to be called. They've got all our numbers, but we're not going to be called for making that decision or even for giving our opinion. And I do think that they'll, they usually make a lot of really good decisions. I would not Want that job because that's some. That's a lot of things to consider. Just.
- [61:55]
Charlie Marlow
Yeah, I like the rotation idea. I think it's more special, you know, if you have it at the same track three, four or five years in a row. It's. To me, it's kind of like the Super Bowl. It's a little more special if it's at, let's say Phoenix every three or four years. If it's at Vegas every three or four years. If it's at Homestead. Whichever tracks you want to pick, like.
- [62:13]
Kenny Schrader
Back in the day, you know, in Charlotte would be 100 people or so. I mean, I think that was a real number. They were building that stadium. Well, I don't know anything about football. I don't know anything about any other sports, but my good friend Tim Crist, I said, why don't they build a dome? I said, because you got to have a dome to have a chance to get in a Super bowl, right? Said, yeah, so why don't they build a dome? He said, well, Charlotte, or Charlotte doesn't have enough hotel rooms. He. I said, what, What. What would this place seat? He I don't know, 80, 000 or something. And he said, well, Charlotte doesn't have enough room. Rooms to accommodate a crowd like that. Oh, well, what do they do when the160,000 come to the racetrack? We. We never. We had another beer and just thought about that for a while because we never came up with a good answer.
- [63:18]
Charlie Marlow
Yeah, I feel like some of those. Some of those cities on water, they bring cruise ships for those Super Bowls for the hotels also.
- [63:27]
Kenny Schrader
Still only can put so many people in that stadium. Yeah, there's only so many seats. Okay, Speaking of joke.
- [63:37]
Charlie Marlow
Okay, real quick though. Just because Rick Mass is a big basketball fan, I'm just. I gotta ask. I know, Schrader, sometimes you say you don't pay a ton of attention to other sports. Are you in at all? Are you into the NCAA tournament at all? Anybody?
- [63:53]
Kenny Schrader
I usually. Here's what I know it's Final Four, but it's March Madness and then Final Four and that final things on a Monday, right? See, I don't know what Monday that is, but we're getting closer.
- [64:10]
Rick Mast
Monday week. Monday week, Trader. Monday week. If you followed Uva the way we have the last 30 years, you'd be all in this, man. I went all over with Charlie before this broadcast began about our team. We lost Coach Bennett, one of the top coaches in the country, to the nil. The portal situation. That's going on. You know all about that trader and, and it's, it's about, it's about money. It all comes down to the same thing. Money and timing. Right. It doesn't matter what you're doing. So it's all about money now and that it's lost some of its luster, in my opinion. But you know, the guys still got to strap them up and play.
- [64:42]
Kenny Schrader
Hey, I just heard a couple weeks ago not only do I not know much about sports, I don't know much about college either because that it didn't work out too good for me. It was either keep racing, it was not race and go away to school, keep racing to 64 impala and go to the road to the junior college or build a new Chevell. I said, well that was a no brainer. So I helped build a lot of colleges. I'm kind of lucky this worked out. But I just heard college, some college athletes are getting paid now a lot. Is it just a lot or basketball or baseball?
- [65:32]
Charlie Marlow
I mean it's really, it could be any sport. And you know who's making some of the most money is the really attractive women in some of these other sports. Like that. Livy Dunn was a gymnast.
- [65:47]
Rick Mast
Up.
- [65:47]
Kenny Schrader
No, I'm just saying.
- [65:49]
Rick Mast
Shut up.
- [65:49]
Charlie Marlow
There's a, there's a group of sisters, the Cavender sisters making tons of money on Instagram. No, but like some of the football players are making like $3 million.
- [65:59]
Kenny Schrader
Some of them gals can make anyway.
- [66:03]
Charlie Marlow
I've heard that also.
- [66:04]
Kenny Schrader
And a guy told me the other day that he used to give half of his paycheck to charity every week and if she wasn't working, he gave it to Candy. That's my only joke, guys.
- [66:20]
Charlie Marlow
All right, I think that's perfect timing then to tee up the jokes we have now these are. I usually look them up but we had some jokes coming in from fans of the show. Now two of them are kind of elementary school, two of them are a little racy. I actually, I think I have to even edit one if you guys can't get the one right. But let me just give you the, we'll give you the grade school ones first. This is from Johnny Brink. Johnny Brink on Twitter he has two jokes from his daughter. He says, all right, first one, why did the doggy not go near the oven? This is an easy one.
- [67:01]
Rick Mast
Well, obviously the doggy. Doggy.
- [67:07]
Charlie Marlow
The dog. The dog. Yes, the dog.
- [67:09]
Rick Mast
Dog trader. I don't have a clue. Obviously you don't want to get burnt, but go ahead this is an easy one.
- [67:17]
Charlie Marlow
The dog did not want to become a hot dog. Come on. All right, I told you these are, these are grade school. These first two. Wait till you see the next two though, okay. Especially the last one. All right. Why did the teddy bear not eat his birthday cake?
- [67:36]
Rick Mast
Because.
- [67:39]
Charlie Marlow
I don't know, because he was too stuffed. Okay. Those are from Johnny Brink's daughter. All right. Okay, now we have the more. Now we have the more adult ones. Here we go. Ethan Clark says, why don't rabbits make noise when they have sex? You want the answer?
- [68:03]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, Rick.
- [68:04]
Rick Mast
Yeah, yeah.
- [68:05]
Charlie Marlow
Because they have cotton balls. Because they have cotton balls.
- [68:10]
Rick Mast
Speaking of cotton balls. Straighter. What about the knock a duck with the air running down to Mark Martin's balls that he run all the years and I never knew it. Did you know that?
- [68:23]
Kenny Schrader
And I heard about it. Trying to have a baby. They used to pour water on mine during a pit stop. But that just boiled. You ever do that? Pour enough water down your back and then it just boil in the seat. Burn your butt? I mean.
- [68:38]
Rick Mast
Yes.
- [68:39]
Kenny Schrader
Just stupid.
- [68:40]
Rick Mast
Yes.
- [68:40]
Kenny Schrader
I mean just always trying to. And then hey man, sit in the seat and it would boil in the seat and you, I mean your, your ass is actually boiling water and got a race, got a race, got a race.
- [68:54]
Rick Mast
And I went through that with our, you know, trying to get pregnant infertility thing. Trying to keep my balls warm in the race car. Be cool in the race car. You can't do it. And then I see Mark Martin always had an aqueduct hose run down to his nut sack. I'm like how in the hell did I miss that for 30 friggin years?
- [69:12]
Kenny Schrader
Harry. Hi, Harry Hyde. Cut a little screen in the, a post one of the old Monte Carlos and little nice screen on it and ran it, made a aluminum duck and ran it up and it came, went to a 4 inch hose because I used to like the hose come right up the steering column, you know, because that, I mean it'd be 95 degrees outside but that felt good compared to inside the car. So I'm going down the back straightaway to Daytona and I had a shop towel down between my legs and pull a shop towel out. I pulled my glove off first and I said I can't just during testing so I can't really feel any air coming out of there. Well, I take shop towel and I hold it up there. Yeah, it sucked it up all the way up to the. I said oh, that air is doing a little different than we thought.
- [70:07]
Rick Mast
I'll tell you a Quick story about NACA ducks. Atlanta 75 Remington car. We're practicing down our testing one week. Come in to make a gear change. I leave pit road, go down the back straightaway, wide open, wide ass open. Going into three, they didn't get the tab. Right on the. On the U joint, right on the, on the U joint, on it anyhow. Threw the drive shaft out. The drive shaft, when it threw out, it grabbed the oil tank and it's. The car spun around backwards. Well, the thing engulfed. The guy on fire is Dave Charpentiere, he's my crew chief and hit the knock the crap out the wall. Anyhow, Dave said mine to me is space shutter. Space shuttle reentry, Rick. Anyhow, the helmets in those days, those days, the helmet, if you remember, had the hose right here. You hooked the cool air hose right here and it blow the air through your helmet. Well, I didn't. You protested. You leave that open. Dude, when that happened, the friggin fire went in here and burnt my freaking face up, right? And so I went to nascar. I said, you need to tell everybody when they're tested or practicing to tape up that thing, right? So I come in, they got to me, my chin was bleeding, you know where something had happened here and I burnt. I'm like, you got a nut? Ready guys? Let's go again. No, Rick, we don't have other cars here. So anyhow, space shuttle reentry. Go ahead. The next joke, Charlie.
- [71:25]
Kenny Schrader
I like that.
- [71:26]
Rick Mast
That's bad. Yeah, that's what the dude said. He was an engineer.
- [71:35]
Charlie Marlow
All right, you want to end on that note folks or what?
- [71:38]
Rick Mast
Sure enough. Sure enough.
- [71:39]
Kenny Schrader
Hey, Rick, it's been fun. You know, Mr. Wallace, he's on his third or fourth cruise of the year.
- [71:46]
Rick Mast
Hello.
- [71:47]
Kenny Schrader
Fifth vacation. His racing season's starting here in a couple weeks, you know, so. He was down in Florida though. He was down in Florida, so. But he's, you know, he's on vacation, so. Thanks for bailing us out here.
- [72:02]
Rick Mast
Thanks. Thank you guys for having me. Man. This has been fun. This has been fun. I enjoy it, you know, I enjoy.
- [72:10]
Kenny Schrader
And guess what?
- [72:11]
Rick Mast
We didn't, we didn't even get to talk and fuss about today's race car drivers or anything. We didn't get to get to fuss about anything.
- [72:17]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, but I think they're good. I think, I think they are too. Oh, they're good.
- [72:21]
Rick Mast
They're driving. They're driving their ass off doing what they supposed to do when you step into that race car. Kitty.
- [72:26]
Kenny Schrader
I tell you what, we talk about stories. The story the guy I listen to, I just listen to him forever, is listen to Dale Inman and the King tell stories.
- [72:38]
Rick Mast
Yeah, I agree.
- [72:40]
Kenny Schrader
Hell, they got. I agree. They got some stuff Childress does, too. Yeah, yeah.
- [72:45]
Rick Mast
All those dudes do. They all do. If we live long enough, we're going to have a bunch more, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [72:53]
Kenny Schrader
He lived pretty long.
- [72:55]
Rick Mast
Well, I know. Toodaloo, Charlie.
- [72:59]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah.
- [73:00]
Rick Mast
All right.
- [73:00]
Charlie Marlow
Herman Schrader, the Rick Mast edition. See you guys.
- [73:03]
Rick Mast
Thanks. Thanks for having me. Bye. Bye.
- [73:14]
Charlie Marlow
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