Wait, That's Not Herm?!

Summary

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Herm & Schrader – “Wait, That's Not Herm?!”

Date: February 11, 2026
Host: SiriusXM, Dirty Mo Media
Guests: Kenny Wallace, Rick Schrader, Alan (producer/co-host)
Episode Focus: Storytelling and insights from the world of grassroots and NASCAR racing, with Herm (Kenny Wallace) absent and Rick Schrader filling in. The crew reminisces about Daytona and Speedweeks, legendary race moments, generational changes in racing, respect (and chaos) in the sport, and the enduring legacy of Dale Earnhardt Sr.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Herm & Schrader pivots on a classic twist: Herm (Kenny Wallace) is absent, leaving Kenny Schrader, Rick Schrader, and Alan to keep the shop talk rolling. The trio dive into historic and hilarious racing tales, reflect on changes in NASCAR, joke about their own misadventures, and discuss the sport’s biggest legends. They bring candid observations, unforgettable stories, and plenty of Midwestern charm—true to the show’s promise of “never giving a single solitary damn” about anything but racing, beer, and honest conversation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Herm Missing: The Setup

• [02:09] Kenny Wallace introduces the twist, joking:

  “I’m not Kenny Wallace... Herm’s not here... It’s not live... I don’t know why I said any of that, but here we are.”

Notable Moment

• Herm is “off on a boat somewhere in Alaska”—the tone is light, with the crew ribbing each other about vacations and work ethic.
  • [03:11] Rick Schrader:

    “I guess I’m here because Herm is off on a boat somewhere in Alaska... Doesn’t he spend a lot of time vacationing anyhow?”

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2. Current Dirt Racing and Daytona Speedweeks

• [03:41] The group compares their current racing schedules—Kenny is in Florida, Rick and Alan reflect on “Speedweeks” nostalgia.
• Highlights how the format of Speedweeks and the lead-up to the Daytona 500 have changed.
• Kenny notes:

  “We’ve only run 12 so far this year, and we’ll probably run another 60, so we got a lot more chances to fix it.” ([03:41])

Timestamps

• [04:00] Rick’s fond memories:

  “Going to the Daytona 500 was always the most exciting part of the year. We called it Speed Weeks... but by the time they dropped the checkered flag on the 500, I was ready to leave.”

• [04:38] Kenny describes today’s busy Florida racing scene, mentioning Stuart Friesen straightening frames in the parking lot with a log chain—“like the good ol’ days.”

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3. Rising Young Stars & Racing Families

• [06:14] Alan brings up Keelan Harvick’s first late model stock win and the generational aspect of racing, sparking a conversation on talent, equipment, and family traditions.

Notable Quotes

• Alan:

  “People can say, ‘he’s in the best equipment’...But I’ve seen a lot of drivers in the best equipment who didn’t do anything with it. So you got to do something with it, and he’s doing it.” ([07:20])

• [07:55] Rick reminisces about John Paul Linville (Harvick’s maternal grandfather), and generational racing legacies.

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4. Origins: Buying Your First Racecar

• [09:41] Rick tells the legendary tale of selling his 4H steer, Bessie, to buy his first racecar:

  “I sold the cow when I was 15, got 575 bucks, and used that money to buy my first race car... About six races with that car, I won a race, think it paid 45 bucks...Used that money to pay my first speeding ticket.” ([09:41])

• The crew laughs about “taking your cow on overnight trips just in case.” ([09:29])

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5. The Path from Local Tracks to NASCAR

• Alan, Kenny, and Rick discuss how young drivers now start early and travel widely—contrasting their own more localized, blue-collar beginnings.
• Alan:

  “Dale Jr. didn’t have the best stuff...he had to work on it, and he learned how to work on it, and he came out better for it.” ([11:02])

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6. NASCAR’s Evolving Race Formats and Venues

• [16:31] Alan critiques the “Clash” at Bowman Gray:

  “The average speed of that race was 21 miles per hour.” ([17:13])

• Debates about whether big events like the Clash should only be held at Daytona.
• Nostalgia for Speedweek’s “buildup,” now lost with the condensed qualifying and event schedule.

Notable Exchange

• Kenny Wallace:

  “To have a race, first thing you gotta do is have a racetrack... and I think those cars need to be on a little bit different racetrack. You know, something real.” ([18:44])

• Rick:

  “Are we trying to relive the past or bring back what worked, or are we trying new things that work? We’re kind of at a crossroads here.” ([19:45])

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7. Historic Races: Daytona 500 Stories

• [23:53] Alan prompts Rick and Kenny about the 1989 Daytona 500 where both had breakthrough performances.
• [24:29] Rick recalls running an unsponsored car to the front, battling with Schrader and Earnhardt.

Notable Moments & Quotes

• Kenny:

  “We sat on a pole, won Bud Shootout, won the 125, we led 105 laps of 500, not that anybody’s keeping track, and we got beat by our teammate.” ([25:45])

• Rick:

  “I thought, ‘This is easy.’...Wasn’t as easy as I thought.” ([26:24])

• Rick’s memory of Schrader’s in-race hand signals on restarts:

  “I’d never had a driver do me that way...when Schrader gets the gas wide open, he’d do this [hand motion], and I knew I had to be wide open.” ([26:31])

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8. Controversial Talladega Finish (1991)

• [28:45] Discussion of plate racing and “helping” Harry Gant win at Talladega by pushing him—despite the rules nuance.

• [30:17] Rick:

  “Every time he came back to my front bumper...black smoke would roll out—that was jarring the car, picking up fuel again.”

• Darrell Waltrip’s classic response on being caught with a too-low spoiler:

  “Ah, Harry Gant, he’s a hell of a driver. See y’all next week.” ([31:49])

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9. The Evolution and Economics of NASCAR

• Debate on whether technological restrictions (with the Next Gen car) are good for competition, and whether anything really changes from driver to driver—just the closeness of finishes.

• [34:54] Kenny:

  “First Daytona 500 I ran, finished 11th, five laps back. Now, if you’re 11 seconds back, you’re in trouble.”

• [35:47] Alan notes 43+ cars vying for 40 Daytona 500 spots, reminiscing about the pressure on teams to qualify ("used to be 75 cars and 35 wouldn’t make it”).

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10. Bump Drafting and Driver Respect

• Alan asks about the origins of bump drafting; Kenny:

  “If somebody continually bump-drafted, half a dozen guys would corner him by his truck before long. That’s not gonna fly.” ([38:41])

• [40:56] Rick suggests today’s drivers don’t have the same fear due to the increased safety in the sport and fewer fatal accidents:

  “Race car drivers think they’re invincible... but this generation hasn’t had to endure a tragedy in the garage area—with a guy they were just talking to two hours ago.”

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11. Earnhardt Sr., NASCAR Leadership, and Legacy

• [45:04] Alan asks how Dale Earnhardt’s death affected NASCAR.

• [45:58] Kenny Wallace’s father’s wisdom:

  “We’re all clowns out there, and one clown doesn’t stop any circus... But [Earnhardt] was the wake up call that really moved the safety forward.”

• Rick and Kenny recount Earnhardt’s unique pull in the sport—a direct line to Bill France Jr., with Rick noting:

  “If Earnhardt left [the garage], we knew the day was cancelled.” ([47:46])

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12. The “Man in Black” – The Human Side of Dale

• [53:14] Alan presses on the difference between Earnhardt the intimidating legend and the caring friend.

  • Rick:

    “He had that shield around him... to keep people from really knowing he had such a big heart, he could be a gentle person.” ([55:04])

• Kenny:

  “[Dale] said, ‘Go down in that gully, have ‘em build a pond, I’ll get you 200 bluegill and 100 bass.’ ... Well, they showed up the next week.” ([53:38])

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13. Outtakes: Jokes, Family Stories, and Goodbyes

• [56:46] Alan delivers intentionally cringe-worthy dad jokes, to the group’s groans and laughter.

• [60:31] Rick tells stories about his now-grown twin daughters, motorhome park antics at races, and the camaraderie of the old days.

  • Rick (on the twins running around naked at the track):

    “We’d be at the racetrack, and they would run around all the time without clothes on. Ten years ago, at Richmond, Jeff Gordon said, ‘Last time I saw you, you were up in that motorhome buck naked.’” ([61:05])

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “I’m not Kenny Wallace... Herm’s not here... I don’t know why I said any of that, but here we are.” (Kenny Wallace, 02:09)
• “I sold the cow when I was 15... used that money to buy my first race car.” (Rick Schrader, 09:41)
• “We’re all clowns out there, and one clown doesn’t stop any circus.” (Kenny Wallace, 45:04)
• “He had that shield around him...to keep people from really knowing he had such a big heart.” (Rick Schrader, 55:04)
• “If Earnhardt left [the garage], we knew the day was cancelled.” (Rick Schrader, 47:46)
• “First Daytona 500 I ran, finished 11th, five laps back. Now, if you’re 11 seconds back, you’re in trouble.” (Kenny Wallace, 34:54)
• “To have a race, first thing you gotta do is have a racetrack... and I think those cars need to be on a little bit different racetrack. You know, something real.” (Kenny Wallace, 18:44)

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Memorable Moments

• Rick buying his first stock car with cow-sale money at age 15 ([09:41])
• Schrader sharing Daytona 500 war stories and hand-signal strategy ([26:31])
• Talladega black-smoke-push to victory, the “red truck” inquisition, and Darrell Waltrip’s exit line ([31:49])
• Dad jokes (“Why don’t fish play basketball? They’re scared of the net.”) ([57:30])
• Tales of the naked twins at the racetrack and Jeff Gordon’s callback ([61:05])

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends racing analysis and nostalgia with quick wit and unfiltered storytelling. With Herm out, Schrader and crew riff on what makes old-school racing great, how the sport has changed (maybe not always for the better), and why some legends loom larger off the track than on it. The show is as much about the oddball family that is grassroots racing as it is about speed, competition, or even victory. A must-listen for those who care about the soul as well as the spectacle of racing.

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For full, wild, unvarnished racing reminiscence, tune in to the next installment of Herm & Schrader.

Transcript

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[Kenny Wallace]

Good morning. I'm not Kenny Wallace, but from the middle of America. Welcome to the Herman Schrader show live. Except Herm's not here. It's not live. You won't see this for two days. I'm in Florida, Rick's in Virginia and Alan's in the Carolinas. So I don't know why I said all that stuff at the start but here we are today. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media.

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[Kenny Wallace]

Is he drinker in the show? I mean. Yeah, you.

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[Kenny Wallace]

I like spending time with you.

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[Rick Schrader]

You're.

[Kenny Wallace]

We're good.

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Herman Schrader.

[Rick Schrader]

Hello, everybody. I guess I'm here because Herm is off on a boat somewhere in Alaska. I don't know where he's at, but he. He's. He's vacationing. But doesn't he spend a lot of time vacationing anyhow?

[Kenny Wallace]

I mean, he goes on a lot of vacations. A lot of vacations. But he worked the last nine nights, you know, he worked running that old dirt car, trying to make a living.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, you've been doing a lot. You've been doing a lot. I know. Keeping up with. How's it going down there in Florida?

[Kenny Wallace]

It really went good for Kenny. Kenny Wallace had a great week. We had. We had. We had a pretty rough week, but luckily we're gonna run. We've only run 12 so far this year, and we'll probably run another 60, so we got a lot more chances to fix it.

[Rick Schrader]

Sweet. Good deal. Good deal. You know, that was. That was always an exciting time for me, Schrader, you know what I mean? I'm a little bit envious of you guys. And I say that because for me, Daytona, going to the Daytona 500 was always the most exciting part of the year. I mean, we would go, you know, in those days, we call it speed weeks. We'd be there, what, week and a half, two weeks? You go down there, man, and be racing at Volusia, racing at New Samaritan. We used to go up to St. Augustine, watch World Outlaws race with Steve Kinser and all that bunch and then everything else going on. But I will say, by the time they dropped the checkered flag on the 500 Daytona 500, I was ready to leave.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, well, it's a lot different this year for the shark track cars because, like, the World Outlaws sprint cars were down here last week. USAC was in over in Ocala. USAC and late models are at Volusia this week. The whole time. There's late model pavement cars at New Smyrna. The big block modifieds are going to be there this week also along with the late models. So it's just stuff going any going on everywhere. But after the 500, the late models are staying down here for about another three weeks and running, which is not the normal schedule. Usually they run a lot before the 500, so that'll be interesting, see what happens. You know, I was in the parking lot right before I got here. We started on this show at 10 o' clock this morning. But through my, my lack of any type of technology knowledge, we're just now getting. Getting it at 4 o'. Clock. But Stuart Friesen was out in the parking lot. Great to see him after his accident that he had up in Canada this summer. And they had a Dodge pickup and a log chain and a Porter power and they were doing some fantastic frame straightening. You'd like it, Rick. It was the good old days.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, I've been there, Kenny. I've been there at the racetrack. You're like, oh, he bent a frame. No big deal. Get my porta powered, my torch, we'll get it fixed.

[Kenny Wallace]

And a pickup and hog chain.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

So Alan, what have you been doing?

[Alan]

Well, I, I went to Florence this past weekend. They had the icebreaker over there and, and I got to see Keelan Harvick when his win his first late model stock race. He had won some pro late model races last year and some limited late model races and he was running second. And Carson came out the only Carson. The race came out with about 45 layups to go and he restarted on the outside. And I. There's something that just told me. I said, he's going to drive it in deep here into turn one, and if he can, you know, get the run coming out the corner, he's going to get lead. And that's what happened. And you know, those guys were saving a lot of tire till about 15 layups to go. But, you know, I'll tell you, he. I think he's got it and you know, people can say, well, he's in the best equipment and he's, he's got all, all the right people working on it. And all of that is true. But I can tell you I've seen a lot of drivers that were in the best equipment, equipment, and they didn't do anything with it. So you got to do something with it. And he's doing it.

[Kenny Wallace]

I haven't, I haven't been able to see him race yet. I've seen some footage of it and like you say, all the equipment and everything, you know, that's a big Help. But he's also the only one that's got the steering wheel and all the pedals. So I'm sorry, you just can't take it away from him. He's doing a phenomenal job.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah. And you know what? One of the neatest deals for that part for me, for him is his granddad. I don't know if you remember him, Kenny, but John Paul, John Paul Linville, that was. That was his grandson's mom's dad. And he used to race against us in the Bush series, right? Good dude, man. Him and his brother Dickie and they would show up at the racetrack. I believe it was a black number 62 that John Paul always drove. And he was just a good dude. And I can remember little kids running around and I guess one of those was Delena at that time. I don't know which one it was, but to me it's like a cool deal. It's kind of like Earnhardt Jr. And Robert G. Right. Robert G. Is Earnhardt Junior's granddaddy. And he was so such a pronounced figure in our sport. Did a lot to help me. Did my first speedway car. And so you just see these generational talents come down. It's just. For my part, it's just neat to watch that, especially with, with Caleb. How old is Caleb?

[Alan]

He's 13.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. That's unreal. I just got thinking about that. Before you had your race car, your first race car, did you go to many races to watch?

[Rick Schrader]

Went to the local dirt tracks, kid. He never went. My dad took me to Richmond once. Right. That's the. That was the only time I went to like a NASCAR sanctioned event other just the local dirt tracks. We'd run up down the road to these guys right.

[Kenny Wallace]

Where I was probably going wind up with this is. Did you take your cow with you just in case you. You saw a potential deal gonna happen.

[Rick Schrader]

If it was going to be an overnight stay, we'd usually take Bessie with us. Yes, yes.

[Kenny Wallace]

Alan. Alan, do you know this story?

[Alan]

Nuh.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, Rick, you're up.

[Rick Schrader]

Hey, dude. I was raised on a farm, right? My dad was a farmer and a car dealer and a bunch of other things too. But you know, I had a 4H cow, a black heifer, I mean a steer. 4H steer. And I used. I sold the cow when I was 15. Got 575 bucks for the cow. Use that money to buy my first race car. It was a hobby style or a hobby type 57 Chevrolet with a Motor and it had been wrecked. And we used that money to buy the. To buy the race car. About 6, 6 race out with that car. I won the race. I think it paid like 45 bucks to win. Right. And I used that money to pay my first speeding ticket. Right.

[Kenny Wallace]

So, you know, a lot of first.

[Rick Schrader]

Then it was 15 going on 16.

[Kenny Wallace]

15 going on 16. All right, so Caitlin's only two years younger.

[Rick Schrader]

You know, that's true. I was ready at 13. I was ready at 13, come to think of it. Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. You weren't jetting across the country, though, to run different. Different cars.

[Rick Schrader]

That came a few decades later. Yes.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Alan]

I've said it many times. I. I remember when Dale Jr. Started racing at myrtle beach because I was going as a fan. So I watched. I watched him at myrtle beach and at Florence. And I can promise you he didn't have the best stuff.

[Kenny Wallace]

He.

[Alan]

I think Gary. I don't know if Gary Hargett owned his car or if he just worked on it. And I know he had worked on some of dale senior stuff, late model stuff in the late 70s, but anybody that thought Dale Jr. Had the best stuff, he didn't. He had to work on it, and he learned how to work on it and. And he came out better for it because he had way more success in the bush series than he ever had in the late model.

[Kenny Wallace]

I was surprised when he got in that busch car. It was like Jimmy Johnson also. You know, Jimmy Johnson hopped in that cup car and, damn, he hauled butt real quick. And junior, you know, didn't have the best record in that stock car stuff, but when he got in that busch car, he ran good right off the bat.

[Alan]

Yeah, I remember. It's funny because the first bush race, o'reilly auto parts series race that he ran, he ran at myrtle beach. And I remember he ran pretty good. You know, he was up there in the top 10, but they used his late model crew as the pit crew, and he lost a lap in the pits, changing tires under caution because they were so slow.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

You brought up Jimmy Johnson. You brought up Jimmy Johnson, Kenny. I remember again, one of those deals, we go to Daytona. Here's Jimmy Johnson, sits on the pole, Right. I guess it's his first race. That's the first race I remember him running with us, but it's what. He went with Hendrick in the 48 car. He's sitting on the pole. And I'll never forget sometime during the week, maybe during the qualifying races or sometime, me and Bill Elliott were talking and Jimmy walked up anyhow, it was me, Bill, Jimmy. And I looked at Jimmy, I said, jimmy, I said, congratulations, man, getting the pole. Welcome to Winston cup or cup racing. And I said, I'm gonna tell you something, you got the pole here. I said, you need to cherish it. He says, what do you mean? I says, polls like this, things like this are very, very far, far between, man. You don't. It's hard to come across them and Bill sitting there agreeing with, yeah, Jimmy, yeah, you, you know, think about what you've done here because it, you know, it won't be a whole lot of stuff that happens like this. Well, seven championships later, yeah. A three races later, I don't think that, I don't think it held very much water.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, he had a lot of that stuff happen to him. But we got to pull their first year. We were lucky to get a couple of times in a row. And we got pole. And Bill came up to me and slapped me on the back, said, boy, did you mess up. I said, what are you talking about? He said, you're on the pole. And I said, well, yeah, I mean that, that's not all bad. He said, oh yeah, it is. You're on it for a week. You just had to do a lot of stuff.

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[Kenny Wallace]

Alan, being our fearless leader isn't here. You, you, you, you're in charge. Tell us about Bowman Green.

[Alan]

Oh, God. Oh, man. See, I, I've not, I have not beat my tongue on this show. And I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but I will tell you that that was embarrassment on about 10 different levels. Do you know the average speed of that race was 21 miles per hour?

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. Well, track was wet.

[Alan]

Oh yeah. And sleep.

[Kenny Wallace]

Three hours. Something.

[Alan]

Yeah, it just, you know, I don't know if it was you I told her. If it was somebody else, I told. But here's, here's the way that I look at it. You know, they did the deal out there at the Coliseum and that was great. And then they did it at Bowman Gray last year and that was great. But I have said, and I'll continue to say that the race either needs to be at Daytona or don't have it at all. And the reason I say it needs to be at Daytona and it needs to be on the big track at Daytona, not some parking lot track on the back straightaway. It needs to be at Daytona because you, you need to have the build up to the Daytona 500. That was the great thing was the week before you had the clash, you had qualifying and you had some build up right Now, I mean, you got qualifying that's going to happen on Wednesday. So the day that we put this show out, nobody's even going. If you don't. Not a race fan, they're not even going to know that qualifying is happening. And then you cram everything into three or four days. And I just. I don't think it makes for much build up, but, I mean, there's a method to the madness, I guess. I guess it's to save cost, but I don't see where these teams are probably saving a whole ton of money. But I don't know, you guys may know better than me.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, you know, I give them an attaboy far going to the Coliseum. I'll give them an attaboy for going to Bowman Gray. But we did it. We need to go. You know, to have, to have a race, first thing you got to do is have a racetrack, you know, and then cars. Well, we got cars, but I think that those cars need to be on a little bit different racetrack. You know, something. Something real. You know, I, I mean, yes, I like Daytona. I think it was neat when it was down there. Even if you were over at New Smyrna, you're still Speed week. Speed week can't really be speed week. And start on Wednesday, you know, races start on Thursday. I don't know. We don't make those decisions. But they tried it. It didn't work. Yeah, it half worked.

[Rick Schrader]

Well, I'll step in. Here they go, guys. It goes back to all the talk, you know, we can't go back at our sport. You know, we talk and reminisce about what we did, what we used to do, and how things were. And then everybody says, well, you can't do that. You got to move going forward. But, you know, Speed Weeks was again, I go back to that deal. It's such an exciting deal. And Alan's exactly right, man. You had a week of leading up to the 500, just everything that was going on. And even. Kenny, that's a good point, man. Even if the, Even if the Clash is not at the race at Big Track, it could be at, you know, Volusia or whatever. Samaritan and Lisa's down there in Daytona. So, you know, this goes to a broad. I think it goes to a broader question of what, what we're trying to do, trying to relive the past or bring back what worked. Are we trying to find new things that work? I mean, that's, you know, we're kind of at a crossroads here.

[Kenny Wallace]

With that said when we moved it from. And we. I'm just figuring we're part of that deal. But when it got moved from the big track, there weren't people at the big track watching it.

[Alan]

Right.

[Rick Schrader]

I agree. I agree.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, I know.

[Alan]

And they were tearing. They were tearing cars all the last race they ran there, it didn't even look like cars that raced at Martinsville and Bristol. It looked like cars that were in a demolition derby. It was an embarrassment too, frankly.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, well, yeah. That's not our decision, thankfully.

[Rick Schrader]

Thank God.

[Kenny Wallace]

I don't want that decision. I don't want a lot of decisions they have to make because they're really important decisions and there's not really. You can't just sit. Sit back and say those decisions are all right or wrong. You gotta. You gotta. So I can maybe see it, but we got to see how it works. So it's not. It's tough deal.

[Rick Schrader]

Well, the good news in all this, they've tried. They've thrown so much stuff against the wall the last three or four years. You know, they've. They. I think they know they should. They should know. But now a lot of the stuff that works, they really, more importantly know some of the stuff that don't. Some of the stuff that don't work because they've really, really done a lot last three, four years with the Robles and going to LA and doing all this stuff, going back to Wilkesboro, you know, open up. Open up a lot of stuff. So they've got. They've got a pretty good playbook to look at and think, man, you know, maybe we need to lean this way or lean that way. So I mean, they've got. They've got stuff they.

[Kenny Wallace]

I was look at. Anyhow, I was told that like going to Chicago for the street race, which I thought was pretty cool, you know, they. Weather couldn't cooperate with them and stuff the one year. But that. That. That was a whole bunch of. That was to show TV what they could pull off. Which the fact that they did that is pretty amazing, you know.

[Rick Schrader]

Right. Right.

[Kenny Wallace]

I don't know. Not minus.

[Alan]

And you know, they're. They're going to. They're going to San Diego this year, which is. Is fine. Good. But listen, I again giving them credit. They're going back to the oval in Chicago, which with this car and would. How it runs a mile and a half is. Is the right thing to do and the same thing for. For Charlotte the Rover. It was the right thing to do whenever. Because the races at Charlotte were absolutely Horrible with the generation car before, what they've got now. But again, you got a car that can race on a mile and a half racetrack. So let's go to the mile and a half racetrack and that's what they're doing. So the thing you gotta say for NASCAR is, is they are trying. They, they are trying new things. And they went back to Wiltsboro and they went back to Rockingham and. And they're, they're doing the things that I think that they, they need to be doing. But everything. You can't make everything work.

[Kenny Wallace]

No, no, but they're trying. They're not just riding it out. They're full speed ahead with an effort.

[Alan]

You know, one thing I had, Rick and I had talked about, and I'm going to completely lay out of this because you were the guys doing it. But the 1989 Daytona 500, you know, everybody always sees that Daryl Walter won it. But the start, if you take that out of it and you say, okay, it's a 480 mile race, the two of y' all dominated that race and it really, it set you up. Rick, basically your cup career came from that race.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, that was a. I don't know if Kenny remembers that race, but it was a, it was a very special race for me. Right. We go down there with Travis Carter, no sponsorship, Travis Scole and Harry Gannon left the team, went with Leo Jackson. And Travis was basically left out with nothing. With nothing. Right. So, you know, I had a chance to be in the Busch class from qualifying the year before. Second round fastest for Buddy Baker. But anyhow, so we got in the class and Travis offered me. So we run you in the class of 500 in three races. I can guarantee you to do that. And just to tell you guys how big a deal that was those days I had just about every owner in that garage area calling me, want me to run their car into Busch class. Because a couple of them didn't wasn't in it, right. And then there's a couple was in it, but they wanted another car in it. And. But Travis is the one that offered that thing to me to run the 503 more races. That's the reason I did that. Go down there. Lo and behold, the car is fast, man, real fast. And again, running, running with Kenny and Dale all day, you know, up front, right. With unsponsored car. I can't tell you how cool that was for me. Just bush grand national driver Virginia trying to make it in the sport. Just such a big Big, big deal. Do you remember that?

[Kenny Wallace]

We sat on a pole, one bud shootout, one to 125. We let 105 laps of 500, not that anybody's keeping track of, and we got beat by our teammate. Run second. Yeah, yeah, but I remember.

[Alan]

But I mean, it really. It really was your race, right?

[Kenny Wallace]

I mean, it was fun. It was big. At the time. We run second, I went victory lane, you know, see Darrell, I was pumped up for Darrell. I didn't think it was that big a deal, Rick. Hell, we'll win one next couple years.

[Rick Schrader]

I thought, this is easy. I thought, same thing. It's easy.

[Kenny Wallace]

Wasn't as easy. I thought it was going to be. Yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

And I learned something. You know, you're the first one. One of the things I never forget about that race straighter. You were the first one. And I'd only been to Daytona, what, three times with a bush car and never in a cup car. But we were lined up on all those restarts. When I was behind you, you'd always have your hand up doing this. Like, I. You know, I never. I never had a driver do me that way. In other words, guys, when you're lined up to take off at Daytona, you want to stay tight together, right? And group together. So, like, when Schrader would get the gas wide open, he'd usually be leading us right behind him, or Earnhardt was in there with us. Then I knew I had to be wide open when he would do that. You just hit it wide open and go. And I'm like, huh? All right. What's the deal here? This is cool. That's the first time.

[Kenny Wallace]

You sure I wasn't going, like, don't hit me. Don't hit me.

[Rick Schrader]

Well, that could have been part of it also. That could have been part of it also. Do you think Schrader, my gas man, still swears today that we could have made it, our team could have made it on fuel, and we could have won. Do you think y'. All. You ever had that conversation?

[Kenny Wallace]

They said we weren't gonna make it at that point, I mean, it wasn't even. Wasn't even a doubt. They. They. Yeah, it wasn't. Well, because he had. He. He saved a lot of fuel. He slowed the way down because he didn't have another chance.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

You know, he. He took that chance because it was their only chance. So it's great. It's great.

[Alan]

It worked out for him, and it worked for you.

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[Alan]

Now Rick, what I was going to ask you about and it it's a restricted plate race, but it, it was not Daytona, but I think it was 91 when Harry Gantt won at Talladega and you basically pushed him for all but the last layup, right?

[Rick Schrader]

Well, it depends on which interview you watch. If you watch my interview after the race, you'll hear me telling you know, I was back there to maybe help Harry but you know I didn't do anything. Or if you go up and watch the editor, the national interview on CBS and victory lane with Harry, Harry said, man, I just wouldn't have made it that last step hadn't been for Rick back there. So it depends on which interview you want to believe.

[Alan]

But the way it worked is there had been a big wreck that day that had took out like 20 cars at least, right. And he had a humongous lead. I mean not like a typical restrictor plate race. He had a huge lead. And the way that the rule is is they don't have any or they didn't at the time have anything in the rule book that said you couldn't assist another car on any layup other than the last lap. It's specifically said on the last lap you couldn't. But yeah, you were really close to him all the other laps other than the last.

[Rick Schrader]

I'll tell you this, each time he came back to my front bumper and we would tap the craziest thing with black smoke roll out of that baby. It would black smoke roll out of that thing. Right? And I guess it was the jar or whatever was making it pick up fuel again. And it was, I think I saw black smoke three times. I believe it was right. I'm going to tell you guys honestly the best part of that whole story is we got caught. Red truck race and Darryl's up There, he finished third. Raising Cade. He's just raising cane. He said, you can't do that. That's illegal. He pushed him. He pushed and pushed, pushed on and on and on. I forget who was in there. Mr. Beatty, maybe Billy Jr. May have been in there. I don't remember who, but it's two or three of the top guys. And, you know, I'm sitting there like, I didn't do anything, guys. I didn't do anything. Look. Look at start. Look at start. Finish line at the last coming through the trial. I want him on him. I didn't touch him, right? So we did have that going for us. And the funniest part is I forget how it come about. I don't know if his brewer or somebody came in there. Anyhow, Darrell's spoiler was too low in inspection, right? They knocked the spoiler down during the race, and they were. They had caught him with that. And I swear, I thought it was Big Bay that looked at Darrell. What do you think? Darrell? And Darrell sat there for just maybe seven or eight seconds. He stood up. He says, oh, here again. He's a hell of a driver, Amy. I'll see y' all next week. And out the door he went. That's honestly the best part of that story. Earnhardt probably. He finished third. He probably should have won the race, right?

[Kenny Wallace]

He's probably easy to walk in that totally legal.

[Rick Schrader]

If there was such a thing as totally.

[Kenny Wallace]

Have yourself, have your story sold. You've got it sold and you can't keep your mouth shut. You just come out with that next statement that makes your story a little better, and you screwed yourself and you got to start all over, you know?

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, the red truck. You're not going to come out on top in that red truck. If you get called the red top, you're not going to come out on top. You're not going to come out the.

[Kenny Wallace]

Same feelings and expectations.

[Rick Schrader]

Believe what I'm telling you.

[Kenny Wallace]

I mean, you didn't like it when you went in like that, but there was. The red truck was a. It was a fair place to get your. Get. Get your sentence, you know?

[Rick Schrader]

Yep, it was. It was. And it was. It was the same for everybody, too. Schrader, Schrader. I always remember Schrader. So many of his comments become lore, folklore, my head. And he's talking about, you know, those days where he got the call, somebody got the call, they got a bigger shriek to plate, right? He was able to won the race, win the race because he got the call from nascar. Schrader says, man, I went up to nascar. I've given him my phone book. I've given them every. Every. I've given them every number. Even numbers I didn't. That I don't have any longer. I've given my number.

[Kenny Wallace]

I don't. I still don't think there was calls, but there was stuff slipped through inspections that weren't there, but there weren't calls.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

No, it wasn't nascar. It was the teams.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, and that was more the teams, not NASCAR wasn't directing that stuff. No, the team's doing it. So. And. And that goes right to the point of today. You hear so many people fussing about with. With a new car. You know, the guys are limited, what they can do, and I guess there is some validity to that. But the problem is, man, you can't unlearn what. What you've learned. Right. I mean, you turn back loose on their own again.

[Kenny Wallace]

It costs so much to race now. Well, in all the court stuff, everybody says 20 million. Right. I mean, and we had it more than that. I mean, in the late 90s, early middle 2000s. I think I'm a fan of that car. Now. I'm not saying I'm a fan of everything about it, but I don't know everything about it, you know, but I know it's putting on a hell of a show.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah. Yeah, it is. And people talk about going back, and I keep going back to that here, but, you know, going back the old ways and all that. But go back and look at some of the races, guys. Look at the race. Look at the finishes today. And look at the finishes then. Look the time gap between 1st and 5th or 1st and 5th, or 1st and 20th. Look at the time gap when they drop at checkered flag. Go back and look at some of the other stuff. Now, the thing was, we were doing the same thing they're doing today. As a driver, you're out there racing that car every lap, hard as you can possibly raise it without wrecking. You know, it's either put. Either the front slipping or the back slipping, and you're doing that all the time. Same thing the guys are doing today. Same thing Curtis did it, Turner did, and Tim Flock and those guys. That part's no different. Right. You're still doing the same thing, but with. With the rules in this car the way it is. I mean, they're. They're just tighter.

[Kenny Wallace]

First Daytona 500, Iran finished 11th, five laps back. Now, if you're 11 seconds back, you're in trouble. Yeah.

[Alan]

What a cut. The cut race you won. Kenny at Dover wouldn't you were the only calling lead lap, I think. Am I remembering that right? I mean, I know it wasn't close.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. Jody Ridley was five laps down when first and second. First broke and they ran a couple more laps before the scoreboard changed. And then second broke and they ran like three more laps before the scoreboard changed than Jody was leading. But it's just the world's different. Everything's more competitive. How many cars we got dates going down for the 40 spots.

[Alan]

43 to make sure.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, 43 or four. I mean, and we know Jimmy's in. Jimmy's in. He's the hero driver. Provisional or whatever like Helio was last year. But you know, it's going to be. Junior's got that car and Casey Mears is going, I don't know, 45 for 40.

[Rick Schrader]

45.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. Yeah. And 37 of them are already decided.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah. That it gets, it gets it back. Man to the motions and man being just wound up all week trying to get in that race. Right. Everybody used to do that. And to get. Get it back to that a little bit, you get those emotions back going again for those few that's got to fight to get in that race.

[Kenny Wallace]

It used to be, oh boy, when you go down there and there's 75 cars or so, you know, and it's like, wow, there's gonna be 35 don't make it, you know, and it's like, oh, and last year's points were huge. You need to be in top 20 to feel halfway safe, you know?

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

But anyway, it'll be good. It'll be good. Truck series, five. Five new Dodges showing up. That's gonna be neat in Tony Stern.

[Rick Schrader]

In one of them.

[Kenny Wallace]

I asked him if they held a gun to his head and he said kinda. I said last week that he's gonna be so happy when he's seventh row middle going down the back straightaway and some 17 year old kids bump drafting him. He's gonna be so happy.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, why, what am I doing? What am I doing here? That sounded pretty good. A couple. It sounded pretty good a couple months ago.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. I remember I drove Harvick's truck at Talladega and he said, he said, you got to push them guys. You got it. You gotta just, you gotta push them all the way around. Kenny, maybe you do Kevin stuff anymore. Yeah, there was a time sounded better.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah.

[Alan]

He asked y' all could. Because, you know, all of this bunk drafting stuff you start seeing in the, in the 2000s and I know you guys would run impacts and stuff in the 90s, could you get up and put a bumper on somebody to bump draft or. Because you guys didn't, I mean. Or was it just a style?

[Rick Schrader]

You answer that kid.

[Kenny Wallace]

It started, it started a little later. Because if somebody continually, continually bump draft somebody, they would have him cornered by his truck. Half a dozen guys would have him cornered by his truck before long. And so that's not going to fly, you know.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, you learned when you come into cup, you learned a way to race. Right. And the way to race is you got to get to the checkered flag. The old Dick Trickle saying, first finish first, first you must finish. Well, you learn when you get there, Right. Bill Elliott taught me the first time I go to Talladega the first year, my skull car, I cut him off or something, right. Grayson. And then a caution come out and he pulled up beside me and he's like that Richard Petty finger that long was. I mean that Richard Petty finger, that finger of Bill Ellet was that long. And he sat there and pointed at me and I'm like, okay, I get it. Right. I get it. And you know, you learn pretty quick that this is the way you race. I mean, you race hard. Right. But you don't do stupid stuff. Yeah, but you just don't do stupid stuff.

[Kenny Wallace]

But I do gotta say, watching them, I mean, I mean, I know we ran hard, but we didn't run like them kids are running now. Kids are run so hard every lap. I mean, they're just. Who? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

I mean it's, it's pretty brazen with the way they do it.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

You know, and I, you know, Kenny asked. I really wonder. I've always thought this for a while, you know, in our day, man, like in 90, what was it for when we lost Rodney or we lost Neil at Daytona and then we've lost other guys and you've lost more you around more that than I was with other, other racing style of racing. And I think you had as a driver, you learned, you learned a little bit of respect for this car does this then I might not make it back home tonight. Right. And today this current group that we've got, they haven't had to witness a tragedy or be involved in that garage area with a tragedy on that racetrack with a guy they were just talking to two hours ago. Right. We had guy race against last week.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, we had too many in A row there for a while, you know, Tony Roper and a little Nemacheck and just, I mean a bunch of them, you know.

[Rick Schrader]

It was a bunch of them.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

Blaze Alexander wrote Roper, Kyle, Crank kid. It was. It's like I just wonder if the mindset makes you not think about that. You don't, you don't live it. You don't. You've never had to experience that. And you think you are invisible. So listen, all race car drivers think they're invincible, right? You get that race car thinking, you're not going to die. Why that's going to happen to him, Ain't going to happen to me. Right. And then when you get away from that, like these guys now and the cars being so safe, the tracks being so safe, they haven't had to endure mentally a tragedy.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

If that then sets them up to like, oh, hell with it, I'm going to do this move, boom, 20 cars wrecking, right? No big deal. I get out and go get another one. I just wonder if that, that, if that. What do you think? You think it does Kitty? A little bit.

[Kenny Wallace]

It could be, but it didn't change our thinking. We still did what we did, you know.

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[Kenny Wallace]

With all that said.

[Rick Schrader]

No, it didn't change your thing.

[Kenny Wallace]

With all that said, if I was starting a cup team tomorrow, I'd want to hire Carson Hosovar.

[Rick Schrader]

Me and you both. Me and you both.

[Kenny Wallace]

He going to the front.

[Rick Schrader]

You can rein them in but you can't push them. Yeah, he's going to the front.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, it'll be. It'll be a big week. It'll be really good.

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[Rick Schrader]

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[Alan]

Just kind of touching on what you guys did because you know Rick from from late models and modifieds here in south. You sold your share of guys that, that didn't make it. And Kenny, same with you would, would open wheels and then in stock cars and, and I only asked this and I'm, and I'm tender about it, but so it's been 25 years since, since Earnhardt passed away. And I know I was, I think it was yesterday. My kid was trying out for, for the basketball up in Mooresville and we were coming down, I still don't know my way around these parts as good as some people, but I was telling him how to road name. The number that we were on was number three, because Earnhardt. And then we drove by the Garage Mahal and he was asking me about that. And obviously, I know this is close for you, Kenny, but in those 25 years since Dale passed away, his loss. Now, looking back on it, how did it affect the sport? I mean, Bill France senior kind of turned it over in 2003. Had you had Earnhardt as a car owner at that point, when Brian took over, was the sport kind of going to go the way it went anywhere, do you think things like the Chase wouldn't happen? And, you know, obviously the safety things I think would have happened later on, but wouldn't happen as quickly as they did. So both of y', all, I mean, how do you think that impacted the direction of the sport?

[Kenny Wallace]

I my daddy always told me, and I don't mean this with any, I mean, you know what I think of Dale. I mean, he was great, you know, loved him as a friend. But we're all clowns out there, and one clown doesn't stop any circus. Daddy always said, you know, and what Dale did, he was the wake up call that really moved the safety forward. He moved the safety forward along with everybody else. But it hit extra hard when it was him. I don't think as far as all the other changes in NASCAR and the leadership and chases and I think they were going to try what they were going to try, but Dale was the one that he didn't have to knock on the door when he walked up into the trailer. He could just walk up into the trailer. What do you think, Rick?

[Rick Schrader]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It was like a bat line. He had like a bat line right to Billy Jr. And Mike Helton.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

And you know, yeah, you know, I people, we, we see a lot about that. We read a lot about that. Sport wouldn't, sport would be different, sir. HART well, the problem is Earnhardt was tight with Billy Jr. We lost Billy Jr. Right. Would that same with that same relationship have happened between Dale and, you know, Lisa and Brian.

[Alan]

But it would have. Would help him. That's the thing is with Hilton, it would have been the same, don't you think?

[Rick Schrader]

Well, that's true. That's true. Yeah, it would have. It would have. And to your point of your question, you know, I often wonder about that myself, Alan. I don't. I don't know. I think some things probably would be a little different. Right. But again, Kenny says they're going to do what they're going to do. You know, when Earnhardt came in to the red truck or wherever he'd go when he'd make that call, it was pretty bold. It was pretty bold. And Billy Jr. Which would sit there and listen.

[Kenny Wallace]

He didn't always get his way.

[Rick Schrader]

No, he didn't always get his way. No, no. But he let his. They knew his opinion about everything. And I think what is it Hilton said he expect on Monday morning after the race, 6:30, the phone's ringing to see the Billy Jr. Or Earnhardt calling and fussing about the. The event the day before. Right. And so that, that's kind of the way that relationship was. I'll tell you how tight it was right when if we were at the racetrack and it was going to be qualifying and practicing and there's a threat of rain or we trying to get the race started as a threat of rain, what did everybody do? Kenny? We watched Earnhardt when he come out of the truck and went to his car to leave, we said, okay, it's over. We'd all leave. Not getting any response from Daskar, no official word. But if Earnhardt left, we knew the day was canceled so we could all leave then.

[Kenny Wallace]

Right.

[Rick Schrader]

So the pull that he had was in his knowledge, inside knowledge with Daskar was pretty, pretty big. So, yeah, to answer your question, Alan, there would have been some things probably different. But what they were, there's no way we could probably we could guess to the cows come home, but we'd never figured that out.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, I walked in a trailer one time. I knocked the door, knocked on the door. We were getting ready to practice. Talladega Just 45 minutes, something before open door. There's Bill and Dale and Daryl, maybe Harry. I think it was Bill. I know Bill Jr. Was in there. I don't know if it was. I think it was Beatty. And they are all complaining about everything you could think of, everything you think of where we gotta park. You know, can't get out after the races. Too many people in the garage. And Bill Juniors does like a cigarette. Said, yeah, I know that. He said, nobody used to want it to be in here. Now some people want to be in here. So we gotta. We gotta think that through. They're complaining about everything. Well, hell, I forgot what I went in there for. They time to practice. Everybody left and they were like, what'd you need? I said, I don't remember. And they said, did you learn anything? And I said, I can't believe what I just heard. They said, kenny, you can come up here and tell us anything you want to tell us. Tell us. Don't stand back your trailer and complain to the media. Tell us and we'll talk.

[Rick Schrader]

Right? Right. Yeah. Yeah, I could. I could say. I could second that. That's the way it really was. Right. Some people just wouldn't do it, but I did. Which, my voice wasn't that loud in those days. Well, still. It still isn't. But when I had something, I would go to them and they would honestly listen to me. You know, might not do anything about it, but they would listen.

[Alan]

So I remember I asked Rusty Wallace one time because of. Again, I was a Bill Elliot fan, still in. But anyway, I. I asked him, I said, you know, I watched races growing up, and I'd sit there and 10 cars would get behind Earnhardt and push him right up there to the front. And I'm like, why did y' all not just. Just hang him out, you know, And. And these kids nowadays, they don't. Don't matter if you. Jeff Gordon or Tony Stewart or whoever it was, they would just. They hang them out. They. And Rusty said. The way that I looked at it was I could either get behind him and go to the front or not get behind him and get dropped back because everybody else was going to go with him. So it was one way or another.

[Kenny Wallace]

He had things going his way. Yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah. And a lot of times you would get into racing, you would find somebody that you were real good with, right. And do that. But nine times out of ten, if a three car was right there, you would just kind of naturally lock onto him, because you do, probably. Because he would open the hole and you could probably get through unscathed, you know, and it was. It was a different deal. He had that part figured out. He had respect on the racetrack, there's no doubt about that. Especially at Daytona, Talladega.

[Kenny Wallace]

Why didn't more of us crash him?

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, because. I'm going to tell you why I didn't crash. He crashed me one time at Rich My first year of school, he wrecked me, right? Ten laps in the race, just running her and turned me. And boy, I was battering a wet hen. It's a long story, but I'll just say this. The next week we get to Rockingham. I get out of my car, my pasture car in the infield to go start practice. I don't look around and there's somebody ben over with their butt staring at me, right? I look at him. It was Dale. I said, er, what the hell you doing? He said, go ahead and kick it. I know you want to, right? He said, man, I didn't mean to do that. I went down in there, I hit the apron and shot you up in the track. And you're like, okay, I hear you, you know, But I, I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know, Kitty. I don't know what you're. People tried, you know, Terry tried to it Bristol, right, when he wrecked Terry there at the end. And the one that, not the one that Terry won, but. And he's sitting on the back stretch and Terry was sitting there. Remember, I think me and you asked Terry, why'd you wreck him? I put it in reverse, waiting on him, had the clutch pushed in. When he came by, I dropped the clutch to get him and I tore, I tore the reverse gear out of it. So I wasn't able to hit him. So everybody's got an excuse why they didn't retaliate against.

[Kenny Wallace]

He wrecked me a Pocono. And I mean, lap four, maybe going into three, it's like, oh, I mean, like, there's no good place to wreck it. Pocono, you know, he was in the hauler when I got the Sonoma in the hauler. So what are you doing? He said, waiting on you. I said, it was not an accent. Yeah, it was. Okay, whatever. Whatever. Yeah.

[Alan]

Well, see, that's the thing is, is I think as a fan, you know, you had the man in black and the intimidator and all that and the guy that we saw on television. But. And then he was, you know, a tough guy and all of that stuff. But it seems like with, with you guys that knew him, it was kind of hard not to like it.

[Kenny Wallace]

He, Rick, he told me he came over when we built Farm Farm Shop. He said, hey, go down that property down that gully and have him build a pond. It got that little stream comes through. You build a nice little pond down there. He said, I'll get you a guy's name and come over and build that pond, dam it up, then open it up. When. When it fills up, he fills up. I'll get you fish. We'll put like 200 bluegill and 100 bass in there. He said, I'll get them. I said, okay. So I called him up, I mean, three weeks later, said, hey, this thing's almost full. He said, okay, I'll get Fisher. Well, they showed up next week. It was. They were cod, but they showed up.

[Rick Schrader]

Oh, man. You know, we did a. We did. We used to do that. And you used to come to this Kenny with the Rick Bass Golf Classic in concert every year. And Kenny came many times and Earnhardt came up. One year is the day is the time he fell asleep at Darlington, right? On Sunday that we had to deal on Tuesday or Wednesday. He was right up there doing it, you know. And then he got there. They end up sponsoring a hole in the golf tournament and had a bunch of other stuff he did for us while he was there, right? We went and did Remington commercial one time, two day Remington shoot. He was there with us. They asked him at the end, all right, how much we charging Dale? We owe you? He says, well, what did you normally get? I forget the number, but whatever it was, he said, just write the check and give it to the race team. Right? But Earnhardt was shrewd because he wanted to Remy to deal himself. I mean, he wanted to be able to get free guns, right? So he worked that. He built that for a few years after that, right? So. But we've all got tons and tons of these type stories. Alan, to your point, you know, the big hearted part of Dale, he just had that. He had that. He had that shield around him, man. Right. It's hard to penetrate that shield to get to know him. And the few that did, like Strainer was and I was. But that shield to me was more protection for people, not. He was a tough, rough intimidator. Man in black. I always felt like that shield that he had around him was to keep people from really knowing he had such a big heart, he could be a gentle person, right? That's what I always thought that S.H.I.E.L.D. was about.

[Kenny Wallace]

Tony was like that. Floyd was like that. And Tony did something. Hell, it's been 10 years ago. I forget what he did, but I heard about it and I text him, I said, man, you're just like Dale Sr. And aj. He text back, what's that? I said, you're a very sweet.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, yeah. He was one of a kind.

[Alan]

You guys, you ready for some?

[Kenny Wallace]

I thought that's what we've been doing.

[Alan]

Okay, well, jokes from me. Here's the jokes. Bad dad jokes. Rick, we do this every week, okay. Not sure why, but we do. Let's see. Pretty bad when you got to look up the joke. Okay, here it is. Why did the baseball player get fired? He ran three bases, then walked home. Oh, can you check out on that one? I bet it's home.

[Rick Schrader]

Okay, well, let's hear some more.

[Alan]

Okay. Why don't fish play basketball?

[Rick Schrader]

I have no freaking idea.

[Alan]

Oh, you'll love this. Because they're scared of the net. You hear that one, Kenny? Why don't. Why don't fish play basketball? I know, I know.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, I heard it. I checked out there for.

[Alan]

Why do fathers take an extra pair of socks when they go golfing?

[Rick Schrader]

Right?

[Alan]

In case they get a hole in one.

[Rick Schrader]

Where do you come up? They're great.

[Alan]

I look them up. I look them up every week. I. The couple of jokes that I learned that I know I wouldn't be doing this show next week if I told them, but they're pretty good ones.

[Rick Schrader]

Okay.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, pick a week that we're off. Hey, if it's been a little. If it's been a little noisier in the background, I was having problems. Well, as you guys know at the track.

[Rick Schrader]

Oh.

[Kenny Wallace]

So I'm at a Hampton Inn over by the interstate in the lobby.

[Rick Schrader]

Well, everybody knows. I mean, this makes us more genuine. More authentic how more genuine or authentic? Could we get this show to be here for Dirty BO I'll be just. It doesn't get any better than this. And I'm gonna tell you something else, Alan. I just figured out, I don't know why you're the dude that I've turned on flow racing or you're the dude I see calling some races, Right?

[Alan]

Well, I called them on Race in America and Racing America.

[Rick Schrader]

All right.

[Alan]

I might have slipped in on Flo by accident.

[Rick Schrader]

Well, I don't think floating. I shouldn't have said Flo, but just sub broadcast. I'm like, that's the guy. All of a sudden I'm like, oh, that's the dude. I recognize the voice now in the accent. Yeah. Okay.

[Alan]

Last week. Last week, Kenny Rick said, I see you got a lot of Kansas City stuff back there, but you don't sound like you're from over in Missouri, like, like the other guys are. And I'm like, no, no. We didn't have a football team whenever I was coming up, so I pulled for the Chiefs. What about you, Rick? You and Ricky What. What are you guys working on?

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, well, you know, we got the mass cast thing going. We're going to record that after a little bit later on. And then, of course, Ricky's in Atlanta. He works for the Braves. Right. Been there. I think you really can. He's been there 12 years now, man, and he. He wants to get back closer to home, but every time he thinks he wants to move and get closer to home, they give him a little bit bigger bat to swing, right? And you know, he does a hell of a good. I mean, he does a good job down there with those guys, right? The social media, the marketing. He does some production stuff. So, you know, he does all that and so. But that wasn't your question. Your question is what we're going to be doing. I don't have any ideas. Whatever my wife tells me, Right.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hey, how old are the girls?

[Rick Schrader]

They're 28 now. Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay. Dinner time. Was it dinner time when you told Ricky about twins or something?

[Rick Schrader]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I guess it was about birth control. Was that the one we're talking about?

[Kenny Wallace]

No, no, no, no.

[Rick Schrader]

The other story.

[Kenny Wallace]

You.

[Rick Schrader]

You tell the story.

[Kenny Wallace]

No, no, just about with them twins, and he was going to need to help out around the house, son.

[Rick Schrader]

Oh, yeah, that's when. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where the twins were born, right?

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Rick Schrader]

We fixed up the base because Ricky was upstairs, dated room for him. And something about Ricky said, I'm worried about that. I'm moving out. The twins are here. I'm moving out. I'm going to the basement. Y' all won't see me again. And then he said one time, these twins are the best. These are the best things I could. These are the best thing I've ever seen. For the thoughts of birth control, right? And it was funny. They were little girls, man. We'd be at the racetrack in the motorhomes at eight little girls, two or three years old, and they would run around all the time without clothes on. I don't know what the deal was. They wouldn't put their clothes on. They tear them off. Maybe 10 years ago, we were. 10 years ago, we were at Richmond, right? Just visiting and in the garage area. And I had Katie, one of my twins, with me, and Jeff came by. Jeff. Jeff Gordon come by and stop. He started talking to us. And I said, you remember her? Jeff said, this. It's one of your toy. Is this one of the ten twins? I said, yeah. He said, oh, last time I saw you, you were up in that motorhome buck naked, and Katie did Not like that. She was embarrassed. Right.

[Kenny Wallace]

The. The motorhome. The motorhome lots at 7:00 o' clock at night. Yeah, it was like being in a cul de sac in a neighborhood. Yeah, it was pretty cool.

[Rick Schrader]

It was a lot of funny.

[Alan]

You remember how Herm gets the side of the show?

[Kenny Wallace]

We're done. See you next week. You know, I don't listen.

[Alan]

Okay, it's something. Until next week. But Rick, I do appreciate you doing this with us today. And Kenny, I. I feel terrible having to aggravate you all day to get somewhere to get good Internet. But I'm glad we were able to do it.

[Rick Schrader]

Too. To lose. We lost it.

[Alan]

Couldn't have planned it any better than that.

[Rick Schrader]

Yeah, there you go.

[Alan]

Until next week. We'll see you with Herman Schrader and should be Herman Schrader. See you then.

[Kenny Wallace]

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