What Cleetus McFarland Learned From Greg Biffle

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Herm & Schrader – "What Cleetus McFarland Learned From Greg Biffle"

Host: Kenny Wallace (with Ken Schrader as co-host, not featured in transcript)
Guest: Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)
Date: July 9, 2026
Published by: SiriusXM, Dirty Mo Media

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Herm & Schrader" is a high-energy, candid, and often hilarious conversation between Kenny Wallace and motorsports personality/YouTuber/promoter Cletus McFarland (Garrett Mitchell). The show pivots between wild racing stories, heartfelt reflections on loss and friendships in the racing world, Cletus’s journey and impact, and the evolution of both grassroots and NASCAR racing culture.

The core theme centers on Cletus's unique approach to racing entertainment, his entrepreneurial hustle, the life lessons he learned from late NASCAR driver Greg Biffle, and the mutual influence between modern creators and traditional racing institutions.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. The Decline of Mountain Dew’s Cool Factor

Timestamps: [02:33]–[04:59]

• Lighthearted reminiscing about Mountain Dew’s racing sponsorship legacy and how its "coolness" faded.
• Cletus jokes about resurrecting the brand's appeal with his energy, with both hosts offering to represent them.
  • Quote: "Mountain Dew, you can sponsor me and Cletus. We'll get you jacked." – Kenny Wallace [04:37].

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2. Cletus McFarland – Personal Origins & Racing Persona

Timestamps: [06:09]–[08:12]

• Discussion of how "Cletus McFarland" became a public alter-ego, while family calls him "Garrett."
• Kenny shares a touching story about meeting Cletus’s mom at the Freedom Factory.
  • Quote: "She knows the people who are nice to me and the people who are not… She’s a fan of yours because you’ve given us a fair shake." – Cletus [07:43].

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3. Crown Vic Racing & Event Promotion

Timestamps: [08:12]–[15:59]

• Cletus announced his $20,000-to-win Late Model Series race at Berlin (Aug 15), breaking down how prize structures differ between drag racing and circle track.
• Kenny rails against overspending and ego in late model racing.
• Cletus explains why Crown Victorias became the “people’s race car”: cheap, durable, V8, abundant—with over 1.8 million in existence.
• Backup cars at Freedom Factory events ensure even VIPs can keep racing if they wreck.
  • Quote: "Weakest part of a Crown Vic is the driver. It’s the driver." – Cletus [14:59].

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4. Wild Track Moments & Participant Community

Timestamps: [18:26]–[21:24]

• Anecdotes about event chaos: Wyatt Miller "clearing out" competitors, indestructible Crown Vics, and the fun/accessible culture Cletus fosters.
• Cletus’s signature high-energy, personal engagement with fans during races.

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5. Balancing Racing and Family

Timestamps: [21:40]–[23:12]

• Brief mention: Kenny has to skip a Berlin event to support his brother Rusty at Sturgis for "Rusty's Ride."

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6. Dealing with Loss: Kyle Loftus and Greg Biffle

Timestamps: [24:11]–[34:35]

• Heart of the Episode: Cletus shares genuine grief and gratitude for figures who shaped his career:
  • Kyle Loftus (founder of 1320video): inspired Cletus’s energy and event-hosting style.
  • Greg Biffle: mentor and planned ARCA co-driver; gave crucial career advice before passing that shaped Cletus’s next steps in NASCAR.
  • Quote: "[Kyle] inspired me to basically be the way I am at my events, like, what you're talking about, grabbing the mic...he was the host." – Cletus [25:29]
  • Quote: "He has a trickling effect still on me...his advice was so good...now I just imagine what he would say." – Cletus [31:23]

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7. Celebrating Greg Biffle: Versatility and Friendship

Timestamps: [32:13]–[36:29]

• Biffle was more than a racer: he could do anything—“build a house, build a car.” Stories of Biffle going along with social media stunts, the famous “sleeveless bet,” and embracing life post-NASCAR.
  • Quote: "We made that bet with him shortly after where he couldn't wear sleeves for a month...and his social media was just blowing up." – Cletus [34:43]

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8. Creative Process and Entrepreneurial Hustle

Timestamps: [39:03]–[43:40]

• Cletus shares how content/competition ideas strike him at odd times (often in the sauna or shower), and how spontaneous concepts (Crown Vic series) snowballed into major business operations.
• Employs roughly 60 full-time staff across media, racing, and merchandising.
  • Quote: "All these cars in here make their own content. This entire piece of land…is like a ball of content. Right." – Cletus [40:12]
  • Quote: "Crown Vic idea…fully formulated in my head in the matter of minutes…turned into a massive portion of my business." – Cletus [42:19]

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9. Merch Is King: The Business Behind the Mayhem

Timestamps: [43:40]–[46:19]

• Cletus discusses how merchandise, especially T-shirts, fund the crazier aspects of his racing ventures.
  • "Running racetracks is not a way to get rich quick…a lot of our fans support us there. Just buy a T-shirt, right?" – Cletus [45:55]

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10. Real Talk: Talent, Early Driving, Aviation

Timestamps: [47:49]–[55:16]

• Cletus credits his Nebraska childhood for driving skills—learned on snowy/gravel roads, into autocross, drifting, and road course events.
• Deep dive into his journey toward becoming a licensed helicopter/airplane pilot and how it became a critical and philanthropic tool, e.g., helping after Hurricane Helene with Greg Biffle.
  • "The helicopter is the reason I really am friends…close friends with Biff." – Cletus [55:27]

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11. Being a Brand: Fitness, Age, and Inspiration

Timestamps: [61:21]–[63:01]

• Banter about age, fitness. Cletus shares he’s working to slim down for racing, and Kenny dispenses practical wisdom on BMI for racers.

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12. Building Community & Legacy

Timestamps: [63:08]–[64:00]

• Cletus’s shop foreman Sam (early 80s) as "the mayor," the positivity he brings to the shop/brand.
• Living and working to inspire and “add years” to each other's lives.

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13. Modern NASCAR, Social Media & Cletus’s Impact

Timestamps: [64:05]–[70:29]

• Cletus describes how, after ruffling feathers by using in-car cameras, NASCAR “wisened up” and began leveraging his audience through official commercial and live feed collaborations—aided by NASCAR’s Joey Denowitz.
• Kenny and Cletus agree NASCAR has become more open and savvy at courting a digital generation.
  • "Now they got you involved in these Nash Inter-worldly commercials…you put millions of eyes on NASCAR." – Kenny Wallace [65:02]
  • "Getting people through the door is something I can help with. But the fact that NASCAR is so good right now is the reason people are staying." – Cletus [70:10]

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14. Closing Wisdom

Timestamps: [71:52]–End

• Cletus credits his mentors, expresses gratitude, and teases future big projects.
• Kenny closes by encouraging listeners to engage with both his and Cletus’s content; mutual respect and camaraderie on display.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Weakest part of a Crown Vic is the driver. It's the driver." – Cletus [14:59]
• "He inspired me to basically be the way I am at my events...he was the host." – Cletus [25:29]
• "If Greg wasn't there to guide me, I would've taken those opportunities...Greg's guidance set me up way better for, you know, the opportunities that came shortly after." – Cletus [31:23]
• "Getting people through the door is something I can help with. But the fact that NASCAR is so good right now is the reason people are staying." – Cletus [70:10]

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Key Takeaways

• Authenticity Wins: Cletus's irreverent, creative, and fan-first approach has not only built a grassroots racing empire but also helped modernize how the racing industry reaches new (and old) audiences.
• Mentorship Matters: The late Greg Biffle's advice shaped Cletus’s current career arc—demonstrating how a single mentor’s wisdom can create a domino effect of positive opportunity.
• Adaptation and Gratitude: Despite loss, Cletus carries forward the legacies of his mentors, focusing on inspiration and moving ahead rather than dwelling on grief.
• Industry Influence: Cletus’s journey from disruptive YouTuber to key NASCAR collaborator is a blueprint for how new media and legacy sports must find common ground to thrive.

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Listen for…

• [25:29]: How Cletus learned to host and hype from 1320video’s Kyle Loftus.
• [31:23]: The precise guidance Greg Biffle gave that changed Cletus’s career.
• [40:12]: How "content" naturally springs up in Cletus’s daily life and business.
• [55:27]: How helicopters opened both humanitarian and career doors for Cletus.
• [65:02]–[68:37]: The inside story on collaboration with NASCAR's business side.

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Final Thoughts

Kenny Wallace and Cletus McFarland, through equal parts laughter, storytelling, and reflection, model the synergy between old-school racing values and new-age digital hustle. This episode is essential listening for anyone invested in the past, present, or future of motorsports culture.

Transcript

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah,

[Kenny Wallace]

Cletus, how you doing, buddy?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I'm doing great, man. How are you doing today?

[Kenny Wallace]

I'm doing really good.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I'm fired up to be on your show, brother.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, that's Nice of you. I appreciate that. You know. You know, they always used to say, I'm jacked up on Mountain Dew. Well, I changed it. I'm jacked up on Sundrop because of Dale Jr. You know, so it's from that movie.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Real quick, what happened to Mountain Dew?

[Kenny Wallace]

I mean, it's got too much sugar, man.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

They're just out of the game. I mean, when's the last time you even heard about Mountain Dew?

[Kenny Wallace]

I think they were the top dogs.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I used to. Mountain Dew used to be the king. Now, what do they spend their advertising on?

[Kenny Wallace]

And they got such a great logo.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Literally. Mountain Dew is one of the greatest things to ever happen to the world. And I tried to. I tried to ride the wave with them, but, like, they kind of just fell off. I don't. I think last time I saw their. One of their commercials, it just pissed me off.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, they really did. Hey, let me tell you, I. I was.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

They had the brand.

[Kenny Wallace]

I was running these little dirt cars inside one of these arenas. I. I don't know, way back, but I was just hooked on Mountain Dew, you know? It's like, hey, Kenny. I couldn't go to sleep one night, could not go to sleep, and I realized it was the Mountain Dew.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I used to literally go to the drag strip, chug two Mountain Dews, get in my car, make a hit, come back, drink another Mountain Dew. And you're only 31 now. I don't even. I walk by it in the aisle. I don't even think it's cool anymore. Mountain Dew was, like, the coolest. I. It's the world's. What was it? The world's first energy drink, but, like,

[Kenny Wallace]

I never looked at it that way. I agree with you.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Their branding was so sick. It was. What happened to Mountain Dew?

[Kenny Wallace]

George Daryl Waltrip made it famous, you know, in nascar. The Mountain Dew, definitely.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

That was, like, the car, but, like, there's nothing badass about Mountain Dew anymore.

[Kenny Wallace]

Are you listening? Mountain Dew. You can sponsor me and Cletus. We'll get you jacked.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Listen, Mountain Dew. I'll turn it around. I'll turn it around. I will. I can use just a fraction of your budget. I'm sure it's insane. You just throw a fraction of it to me and. Squirrel. We will turn it around.

[Kenny Wallace]

Squirrel. Squirrel McNut. Is he right there?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I got him right here.

[Kenny Wallace]

Let me just see his face for a minute. Squirrel, bring your face over here. What are you doing, legend? Look at. Look at you. You look good. Zoomed in, shot.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

Appreciate it. Hey, do you.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Does he.

[Kenny Wallace]

Does he manscape that face every day? Every morning?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah. He has a. A guy that comes to his house at 5am cuts him up.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, my God.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

He always looks perfectly manicured.

[Kenny Wallace]

He really does. He gets out of that arca car and it's like, you know, McNutt, you ran good today.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

That's. That's why. I mean, that's why he's the number one ARCA driver. Fan favorite.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, you're killing me now because I'm thinking of Michael Altrup and Kenny Schrader. Schrader would win these ARCA races, and Michael Waltrip would say, schrader, you're the best ARCA driver out there. And Shredder, like, damn it, I'm a cup driver.

[Commercial Voice]

You know?

[Kenny Wallace]

But Schrader would run all these races. He just race any and. Well, you ready to get started?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

We are going to celebrate Cletus McFarland, everybody. And as we get started, I want to say this. You and I share something in common. My name is Kenny Wallace, but they've called me Herman the Hermanator. So your name is Garrett Mitchell, but. But they call you Cletus McFarland around your family. I mean, what's your mom and your wife calling you nowadays?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You know, they still use. They use the. The typical Garrett, you know, and that's. That's never really strayed for the family. They never really called me Cletus. Yeah, but I remember, like, telling them, you know, when they first saw I was being called Cletus, they were definitely questioning my life decisions. You know, Know, they're like, why are people calling you Cletus? You know, so I've never heard my mom say or she's never, ever said, hey, Cletus.

[Kenny Wallace]

Your mother shocked me because I didn't know she knew me. And I'm down there at Sarasota at your Freedom Factory track, and your mother walked up to me and she looked at me, she says, thank you for being so nice to my boy or my son.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And.

[Kenny Wallace]

And I was like, wow. I said, well, you know, he's full of love. You know, Cletus is full of love. He's. He's about fun. And I don't know really what I said, but I just wanted to say. You don't want to give your mom a shout out? She made me happy. Let's just.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, she's on it. My mom is very intelligent and tuned into everything that I do, and she. She knows the people who are nice to me and the people who are not so she, you know, I think she's a fan of yours because you, you've given us a fair shake, that's for sure. You, you point out a lot of the fun that we try to have instead of just, you know, some of these other negative Nancy's who just focus on the bad. So.

[Kenny Wallace]

And we're going to get to that. Everybody, I have a reason for all our strategy here today and we will get to that. But listen, I want to do a solid. First of all, I want to thank you so much. I mean this, I want to thank you very much for coming on Kenny conversation. It does mean a lot to me. And the reason that I called you Cletus, was something caught my eye. 20,000 to win. 20,000 to win. Cletus McFarland's late model series Berlin race. Now you're a promoter now this is on August 15th. It's a Saturday. Let's start like that. Your Crown Vic races, I mean drag racing, you are getting it. What's this event about?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, you know, I've been doing, I've been doing events since 2017, so this whole, I guess I'm coming up on 10 years, but we always do these Crown Vic races and then there's a burnout show the next day. We've been doing them for, you know, since 2017. And I bought a late model and I was like, well, if I'm going to use this thing, I should probably add some late model races to my own events so that, you know, I'm already there. Might as well run my late model, otherwise it's going to sit in the barn. So, and excuse me, I got a little cold.

[Kenny Wallace]

You're fine brother, but hope you, hope you get better.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

So then Ryan, my main race director guy was saying it's gonna have to be about 20,000 to win. And in the drag racing world, 20,000 win means like, all right, $20,000 is the total pot and then that pays down everybody. Well I guess in circle track, 20,000 to win means the winner gets 20 grand plus all the pay downs. So on door bumper clear, they asked me how much it was to win. I said 20,000. And then Ryan was like, well now that you said that, everyone's expecting the first place to be 20,000. I expected the whole pot to be 20,000.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

So I had to just stick to what I said. So it's 20,000 to win. Don't expect it to be that high in the future. But this is the kickoff. The Cleese McFarlane Late Model Series So we might as well have a nice big pot. And we're literally doing this race for the love of the game because the event is going to be sold out regardless, you know, with what we already do. So we're adding the late model thing just for fun, and it's going to cost us money, but, you know, at least I get to go racing, so. Should be fun.

[Kenny Wallace]

I have a little bit to say about that. I. That's what I started out in what we call asa, American Speed association, and, you know, Coilover springs, rack and pinion, that was my life. And nowadays it's like anything in life. Everybody's overdoing it. These guys, you know that race you're going to put on those guys, if you let them, they'll practice from 8 in the morning till 7 at night. You know, the snowball derby, they spend $20,000 on tires and the. The story. They're horror stories. And that's the reason you got to pay 20 grand, because they overdo it. If you could get their ego in check and say, guys, back it down. We're going to give you an hour practice. We're qualifying, we're going racing, then they. You wouldn't have to pay that much.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

But that's just an accident.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yes. I. I get my tit in a ring or two sometimes.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, thank you. Thank you for doing that.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, yeah, it should be fun. I mean, I've never. I've heard Berlin is not a great place for your first late model race, but I'm looking forward to being thrown into the gauntlet.

[Kenny Wallace]

I grew up there. Pretty much run two races a year. It's a circle track. You will get your rhythm, Cletus. You will get your rhythm. It's a rhythm racetrack. It's just a big circle. Make sure you got a headrest. Make sure you got a headrest.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

That's.

[Kenny Wallace]

That's my advice.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Okay.

[Kenny Wallace]

You know, once you get it, how many laps is it?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Don't know.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hold on. Let me look at your flyer here. Yeah. Don't say two shows.

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[Kenny Wallace]

Two shows. One day. Burnout rivals. Yeah, you're right. You would sell it out. With your burnout, you don't need the race. You're doing it because you love it. That's what you meant. Yeah. Good stuff.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

For the love of the game, brother.

[Kenny Wallace]

I love that. Okay, I guess I'm bad. I can only focus on so much, this Crown Vic racing. Yeah, I see that. What is it? September 17th? 18th. No, July. Sorry. July 17th. 18th. You have Richard Childers coming To Stafford to run a Crown.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

How in the hell. Tell me. Give me your. Your vision on. When did these Crown Vics become like something? Why not another makeup car? Let's go deep into the Crown.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, I mean, life. There's. There's Definitely no other V8 powered vehicle with the durability of a Crown Vic. For the price, the value, there's just nothing that can touch it. I mean, think about it. What vehicle with a V8 can be purchased for under $3,000 with that much durability? Yeah, in abundance, too. There's. I mean, you could. I could probably go easily buy 10 of them today locally, you know, so

[Kenny Wallace]

they're still that readily available.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, there's 2 million Panther chassis in the U.S. i'll be damn. I think that's the right number.

[Kenny Wallace]

What does that mean?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

How many Panther chassis are in the US Panther chassis is like the. The Crown Vic you're used to. Just. Okay, I'm not saying. Run the numbers in your head. Google.

[Kenny Wallace]

He's going like, hey, hey, that's. Tell them to get on the Googler machine. Damn it.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

What, did you got one of the chips in your head? I didn't hear the first part. Oh, yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

When did you two meet?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Hundreds of thousands. It says hundreds of thousands. Okay, so there's hundreds of thousands. I've only owned like 200 of them, so I barely put a dent in the population of Crown Vicks. So there's a lot.

[Kenny Wallace]

And from what I hear, and I'll straighten me out because, I don't know, they say the weakest link is maybe the tie rods is. Or what? Is there a weak link?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

There's 1.8 million ground Vicks out there. 1.8 million? I said. I said 2 million. Yeah, I think the Panther chassis total, there's over 2 million. No, there's no weak point. They don't have a weak point. They don't have a weakness. They're built like a damn tank.

[Kenny Wallace]

I mean, they really are.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

The tie rod will bend if you crash into it, but you got to crash into it pretty hard. Weakest part of a Crown Vic is the driver. It's the driver.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hey, let me say this. You had me at, you know, the Freedom Factory 500 at your racetrack, and I had the time of my life, and I had to get some rhythm. And, you know, you get on that outside. I finished fourth. But. But Cletus, you screwed me, though, because what I do. The race was over, and I. And somebody said, you. You did good for not getting another car. I. I started the race, so. Okay. We're having fun, obviously.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, yeah. Deegan wanted a backup car, didn't he?

[Kenny Wallace]

Yes. That was wrong. He kicked my ass.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I know. We should. We should disqualify him, and I should keep the prize. Hey, now that you say that, I'm thinking that that's what I should do.

[Kenny Wallace]

The.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

The backup cars, yes, they. They definitely throw a bone in it because, you know, you really. You could just destroy your car and get in another one. But that's kind of the fun of it. It's like, you know, if a guy like you comes down, right, I know your time is really valuable and stop it. I want you to have fun. So if you total your car on lap two, I don't want you to just have to sit with your hands in your pockets the rest of the time. So I supply, you know, five to six to eight backup cars for when these Ding dongs crash on lap two. We give them something to go back out in and enjoy themselves, you know, like a lot of these guys. I mean, a guy like Travis Pastrana, right, His schedule is just every day. He has to be somewhere. So the fact that he comes to my race, I want to have that opportunity to keep them going. And you and all these guys who have a busy schedule, like, that's the backup car theory. But yes, sometimes when you see someone win in a backup car, you're like, damn it. You're never just one thing. You're the boss.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hey, Google, when's my next meeting?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

The athlete that class wrecks me and their mom. Everyone in the all new Mazda CX. Five more to move every cell.

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Kenny Wallace]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Kenny Wallace]

hey, let me just say this. Wyatt Miller.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

You know, I love Wyatt and Kelly Earnhardt, El and Buddy. I was behind him like the first 20 laps, and he was clearing them out.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

See, he's. He's why we need backup cars because he's out there just bending tire odds on anyone that comes near him.

[Kenny Wallace]

I said, holy crap, this is insane.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

So I tried to pass him for 20 minutes and my car was destroyed.

[Kenny Wallace]

He was turning left on you all

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

the way down the street. He was the show that night. It was awesome.

[Kenny Wallace]

The crowd was on their feet.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

The crowd loved it.

[Kenny Wallace]

So the race is over. And I'm thinking, my car is, is destroyed. I got out, looked at my car. I mean, I, I packed the wall off of turn two because I kept driving a push twice, and I mean, Jimmy Ellis goes, Herman, you hit the wall so hard off turn to that I could hear the thud. And my car was perfect after the race.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

They're unbelievable.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay. When I went to this event, one thing that caught me off guard is your energy level. I arrived, you had me baked beans, you had me some barbecue, and, and I never met you, and I hear Kenny Wallace or Herman, and you said, come on, you put me in that 1000 horsepower Caddy and I'm going to tell you that that was, that was race car torque. What in the world is that car?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

So that's a Cadillac Black Wing with this factory LT4 that they come with the engine. And all we do is port the heads, port the blower, put a camshaft in it. It's stock, bottom end, stock rods, pistons, everything set of injectors, bigger fuel pump, and, you know, fuel system and just tune it up. Makes a thousand wheel horsepower and just absolutely rips.

[Kenny Wallace]

So, you know, we all got peripheral vision. We see what's going on around us. You, you got a well oiled machine down there. You got your, your shop, you're repairing things all the time. But then, then you, you get out of the Crown Vic, you run to the middle of the infield, you Grab the microphone. You get. You get the fans jacked up on Mountain Dew. Your energy level. They love you. They want more of you. Or do you do that at every Crown Vic race? Yeah, you get out of the car and get on that microphone.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

God, you're awesome.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, it's just, like, so easy, you know, I just love this stuff, so. I love racing with all my buddies, so it's just fun to grab the mic and hype people up and just. I don't know. It's just something about it. So enjoyable. So it's easy.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, we got a lot to talk about, but I just really wanted to gloss over that Crown Vic stuff because it is sold out everywhere you go.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah. You need to come do another one. You should do one. You should do Berlin if that's your home track or one of your tracks.

[Kenny Wallace]

I can't, and here's why.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, that's right. Yeah. You. You're going brother Rusty with your brother.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I'm honest. I. I do have an eagle, but if it weren't for brother Rusty, I wouldn't be where I'm at. And August 14th, Sturgis. It's called Rusty's Ride.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah. We need to go to Sturgis.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yes. Go with us. We'll supply this by Mount Rushmore, but

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

right by it in the old Dakotas.

[Kenny Wallace]

Rapid City, South Dakota. There's a dirt track there, actually. You could put on a show on a dirt track and then ride with us during Sturgis. That's a promotion.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, if Sturgis is the same weekend as my Berlin event.

[Kenny Wallace]

It is. It is.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

That's why I can't. I'm just saying I can just rip over there in the plane, ride some hogs with you guys.

[Kenny Wallace]

Southern country custom, buddy. We got the best Harleys in America. And Harley even works with us.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

They like us Sturgis on Sunday, too.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yo, it's two weeks long. It's. Rusty's getting introduced. Rusty's getting inducted into the hall of Fame.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Sturgis, really? So what do you mean we can't fly there? You have to ride a Harley. Well, what if we fly?

[Kenny Wallace]

You're not a real Harley rider unless you ride all the way.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

What if we fly about an hour out? That probably buy some hogs. How are we gonna get them all? How are we gonna get them home? What a stupid question. We're gonna ride them.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, well, then, hey, you know the

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Harley from North Dakota to Florida? All right, never mind.

[Kenny Wallace]

It's a long ride, and the Harley riders. I'm. Listen, we grew up motocrossing, so the. These. These Harleys. Who is that? This is Mr. You're a legend, buddy. So how are you today, man? I'm doing good. I saw you down there at your racetrack. You're. Everybody loves you. What's it feel like to be loved so much?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I love it.

[Kenny Wallace]

It's.

[FanDuel Announcer]

It's fantastic.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

It's a great feeling. Get you out of bed in the morning, you just turned a hundred.

[Kenny Wallace]

He sounds like he's from South Carolina.

[Commercial Voice]

Where.

[Kenny Wallace]

Where's he from?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

North Carolina. That's it.

[Kenny Wallace]

That's. That's what you remind me of a good old. You know, I lived in Charlotte for 27 years, so I recognize that Southern Twain. You're a good man, buddy. Great to see you.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Sure.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, so we're having fun. Everybody talking to the legendary Cletus McFarland and. Okay, I want. I want to just gloss over what everybody already knows, and I want to say this. I was going to put this towards the end of the show, but I'm where I'm at because of my dad, Russ Wallace. Dad was a good local racer, and my dad won 400 races. So then Rusty. Rusty said I'm gonna be a race car driver. And then Mike and my mom ran powder Puffs. We are just this redneck Wallace racing family. So I watched this beautiful 13 to 15 minute 1320 video of you, and it's a really good. You describe how you got to where you got to not. I told you where I got. Because of Rusty Cleese, you've been roughed up lately and you've lost a couple people, and I want to let you know that I'm sorry and I love you, but you lost Kyle loftus lately, and 1320 is where it all happened. Yeah, you lost Craig Biffle. How are you doing, my friend?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You know, it's. It sucks when you think about, you know, the guys, but it's different, you know, different without him for sure. But, you know, Kyle, I didn't spend a lot of time with in this moment in my life, you know? You know, but he. He's the exact 100% reason that I am here today, you know, so he all. He comes to mind a lot for me. Like, we have a big banner in our shop, you know, and I look at it a lot, and it makes me sad for sure to think about it. But, you know, the way I remember Kyle is he was such a positive, excited person. Like, you know, he inspired me to basically be the way I Am at my events, like, what you're talking about, grabbing the mic. He. He hosted events when I worked for him, and, like, that was how he rolled. Is he. He was the host. And so, you know, I don't really focus too much on the sad part of the situation, and I focus more on, like, the inspiring parts of who he was. And, you know, it's obviously crazy that we lost him this early. You know, I. His life was cut super short and just. It breaks my heart for his family and his mom and. But we just kind of have to keep doing our thing, right? And, like, his company, 1320 Video, they're all still doing it, you know, and they're keeping the legacy alive. I don't know. Like, I. With death, I've struggled with, like, stopping to think about it. I. I guess some people, I think, struggle with. They just. That's all they can do is stop and think about it. For me, I. I just struggle with, like, not stopping. I just keep going. I think that's how I cope with that type of stuff, you know, especially even with Biff Take. What would that. When I think about what Biff would want us to do, I definitely don't think he'd want us to sit around and cry about it, which we did, you know, but now it's like, let's go racing and let's go. You know, let's keep the. Keep the momentum alive and. And just have fun and. And try to remember him. We always, you know, spread the word of who he was and who Kyle was. I don't know. That's just what I'm doing. So I. I'm. I'm fine. I'm sad about everything, and I'm just trying to keep my head up.

[Kenny Wallace]

We've been roughed up lately, and I want to let you know once again, you know, I am that type of person. I love you. I'm sorry that you've gone through two tragedies so close together. When my dad passed away, my mom, Judy, she was a little upset with Rusty because Rusty wasn't crying. And Rusty said, mom, I'm sad, You know, and. And I think we all grieve a certain way. I don't think we have to, you know, cry in front of everybody. And. And I agree with you. I want to let you know we all are sad, but just because we're not showing this incredible emotion in front of people. I'm with you, Cletus. I love you. You know, when I look at all this, I think to myself, you know, it's no different than Dale Jr. When Dale Jr. Lost his dad. What would be different if Senior was still alive. It dawned on me, after I've watched you go through all these trials and tribulations in the NASCAR arena, I said to myself, I said this to my wife, you know, if Biffle was still alive, he would be tutoring and guiding Cletus. Have you ever for a moment thought that this, you know, this journey in NASCAR would have been different?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, you know, I think for sure it would be different as far as like the driver coaching standpoint, you know. Yeah. So we lost Greg in December, and at that point we kind of already had our plans, kind of kind of dialed in for what was going to happen in 2026. Outside of the RCR stuff, just the ARCA stuff, you know, we had planned to run Daytona and a couple other races and Biff was going to race ARCO with me, so he was going to be in a car at Daytona. And. Yeah, you know, so those, those things would have been just a lot more fun with him. But I think with like the RCR thing coming up and me starting to work with them, which I'm, you know, I'm working with them a lot. And also, you know, I have a multi year contract and stuff, like, I think Greg would have been like, this is absolutely the route we would, we would want to go right now.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You know, and there was some deals that came up before he passed that he essentially told me I needed to decline and I did. And you know, looking back now at the deals that we declined, like, we wouldn't have been able to do the RCR deal if we took those other opportunities. And I think if Greg wasn't there to guide me, I would have taken those opportunities. Like I, I can tell you off air what they were sometime.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, yeah.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

But like, Greg's guidance there, you know, set me up way better for, you know, the opportunities that came shortly after with rcr. And uh, so he has a, a trickling effect still on me, you know, for sure. And what would be different now if he was still here? I would. He helped shorten the curve a lot on like, small things that I struggle with because his advice was so good and like, I just really connected with him well on listening. And so I just have to work through it without him and just, I try to imagine what he would say in certain situations, you know, and I, I try to seek other people's advice too, but it'd probably be a little better if I had them.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hey, you Know, I, I gotta say this, and I, I know you already know this, but this is for everybody watching. One thing that amazed me about Biffle is he could do anything. I mean, if you said, let's build a house, let's build a car, I

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

mean, that guy talked about that a lot.

[Kenny Wallace]

My God, he could do anything. Besides being a great race car driver. Did you recognize that early on or did it take you.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah, we actually would laugh about it because we'd be like, sure. I mean, we'd be like, hey, I. I want to buy a giant boulder. You know, he'd be like, oh, yeah, I have a mine. Like, you know, I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about, you know, building a little shed over here. He'd be like, oh, I build sheds. Like, he. We had to fix one of our sand cars out of his. You know, we were at his race shop in Glamis, right? And like, yeah, he just has an entire machine room. Like, we just. Instead of like modifying a pulley, we just made a new one. Like, and he can do it himself. And he. Yeah, he was, he had a very, very broad skill set. Just super versatile, like, in any type of

[Kenny Wallace]

anything.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

It was amazing. And he always had a guy, like, he could call if he needed to. It was cool.

[Kenny Wallace]

I got.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I.

[Kenny Wallace]

Just. One more thing, please.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

He also got it. Like, Greg was very compatible with George and I because, like, he just, he, he got it. He. He knew that we were the social media guys and he was like learning our world. And he just kind of would blindly default to whatever, like, thing we were trying to do because he just, he got it. He just knew, like, all right, we're good. Like, hey, Greg, we're going on a week long trip in $5,000 RVs. He's just like, okay, perfect. When, you know, like, he. And it was crazy to see his social media just explode because, like, he, I don't know, he just, he just rolled with us so well and like, we had very compatible personalities. It was just, it was awesome. Once in a lifetime friendship and I'm sorry about that.

[Kenny Wallace]

Do you guys remember the first time you told Biff, we're gonna rip your shoulders off? And what did he do? The sleeves all day?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah, Daytona. He was wearing. I think he got addicted to it. He was wearing a collared shirt and he was, he came over to our rv and then he lost his keys at our rv, so he ended up getting stuck there for like an extra hour. And he, he had a, like three or four beers. So he was Starting to feel pretty good. And then George and I were like, let's rip his sleeves off. It was like, such a thick, nice shirt. There's actually a video of it. Yeah, it was really funny. And then we made that bet with him shortly after where he couldn't wear sleeves for a month. And, you know, like, that's a perfect example of, like, he was just like, all right, I'm in. I'm not gonna wear sleeves for a month. And his social media was just blowing up, and I, I. He had a lot of fun with that. And, you know, actually exactly a year ago this week, I spent the 4th of July with him, and I just saw a picture pop up, and he's got his sleeves cut off. Cracked me up.

[Kenny Wallace]

You changed him for the good. You know, he was an intent. Listen, I know. You know, but just for everybody, that's watch. You know, Biff was a very intense, great race car driver. You brought a side of Biff out that nobody. It's like, oh, my God, look at Biffle. He's having fun.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I had heard that from a lot of people that he was ex. Like, racing was it. And I feel like I met him in a perfect time in his life because he had made his money, he'd raced his races, and now he just had all this freedom. So we were able to just have, like, so much fun with him, you know, because he just didn't have any other stuff to worry about.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, let's say this. When you drove for Jack Roush and I. And I. I love Jack because I've drove for Jack a little bit. When Kurt Bush got in trouble, I drove that. That 97 car at Phoenix. In Miami, if you drive for Jack Rauscher, there's a requirement. The requirement is to be miserable. And every driver. Every. Every driver will tell you that you will win. But you. You. Yeah, there's a required misery with Jack as Jack is. You know, he's like that. I'm an engineer, and there's a reason for everything and. But it was sure. Anyway. Sure was fun to see you bring all that happiness and. Long live the Biff and I. I love it when you say that.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Awkward time to ask this, but. Hey, did you download the trail map?

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[Kenny Wallace]

I don't understand.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, changing subjects everybody. I once asked one of your friends when, when Cletus came into my world, I said, what is this guy all about?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You know it.

[Kenny Wallace]

And I'm old. I'm going to be 63 in August. What the hell is it? What the hell is a YouTube and

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

what is a YouTube?

[Kenny Wallace]

I stole that from Rusty. Okay, I want to ask your fans, I said, what do you like about Cletus? What's the deal with because I was 70 year old men, they love you. And I said, what is it about Cletus? And this is an actual quote. They said. They said what we like about Cletus is always entertaining and dreaming up challenges that they never know what they're going to get from you next. So my question is this. I kind of know where you're at right now as we're talking. I know the lay of the land, of your racetrack and where your house is. Do do you and McNutt or anybody sit around and go, hey, let's cut these vans in half and put skis on them. Do. How do you come up with the things you do?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

A lot of my best ideas come to me in the sauna or the shower. I just ride them down and we just run with them.

[Commercial Voice / Bubbles the Cat]

Yes.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Sleeping at night, we have so much, you know, like, content driven property, I guess you could say. Like, all these cars in here make their own content. This entire piece of land I'm sitting on is like a ball of content. Right. So just kind of naturally happens. Right. Like one day, the racetrack, a pole could fall over, you know, and land on the bleachers. We've had that happen, you know, and then it's like, okay, lumberjacks transmission explodes. That's content. So, like, now we're kind of in this revolving door of we don't even know what's next, plus what we add into it. So we have, like, this really cool project we're working on this year that's going to hopefully come to fruition the end of the year. And people will never expect that. And that's another piece of just rolling content that will be a part of the channel. Like, these random things just kind of come to us in the. In the strangest times. And it's just how it is.

[Kenny Wallace]

I have a good friend, Doug Schoenfeld, Schoenfeld Headers out of Arkansas. And his dad, Don, started Schoenfeld Headers. And, you know, he told me this when I was, like, a kid, and I'll never forget it. He says, I'll go to bed at night and I'll start thinking, you know, he's struggling to go to bed. And when he thinks of something, what he's. What he learned to do is put, like, this little bitty, you know, tape recorder right next to his bed. And then the wife's like, what are you doing? And so she got used to it.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, I have that bad.

[Kenny Wallace]

Tell me more.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I have that bad. Like, try a hundred tabs open. That's what it's like for me. It's. Do you use your notes of waking up with.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And thinking about stuff? But I just. I. Yeah, I put in. In my notes on my phone. A lot of times I'll just text it to George.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You know, and then he'll pick it up in the morning and look at it. Or I'll text Alan, you know, like the Crown Vic idea. Like, I. I was just laying in bed at night. Actually, it was in the morning. I was laying in bed in the morning, I woke up at like, it was still dark. And I kind of had my back against the wall at this moment in time financially. And I was just thinking about what I could do to like generate some revenue faster. And like literally the Crown Vic idea just fully formulated in my head in the matter of minutes. And I called my business mentor Alan and told him about it. He said, I like it. And I said I need to go to the state auction and buy some Crown Vicks. Let's do it. And I mean by that afternoon we had pulled the trigger on making it happen. So. And that's turned into a, a massive portion of my business, pay per view racing. You know, I have, I employ like 10 extra awesome employees just for that portion of my business. And it also feeds the racetrack, you know, it feeds all those guys, feeds the pay per view company, all from that one idea. So it's just sometimes they just happen.

[Kenny Wallace]

So listen, you, you put on a hell of a show and you make a lot of people happy. I'm bragging on you. How many people do you have working there?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I believe 60 employees full time.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hold on, did you say six, zero?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I believe we have six, zero. So we have. If I could, I could do. We should run account on this, George.

[Kenny Wallace]

The payroll will show that. George.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah, actually I could just look at the payroll. So we have how many checks do

[Kenny Wallace]

you write a week or however they get paid?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

But that's not. We, we use a payroll company. But it's hard to tell because, you know, the merch warehouse fluctuates a lot. But Freedom plus the pay per view company, that's at least six people full time. Freedom Factory is ten people full time. The drag strip, we'll call that eight to ten. The race shop. We got eight full time here. And then I'm gonna miss something for sure. Merch is at least 40.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hey, let me say this, let me say this. Now that you break it down 60, you truly do when you said, okay, the drag strip. Well, the drag strip's gotta have. I mean that's, that's an entity. We're drag racing. I mean, now that you break it down and, and that merchandise, man, I love your, your planes, your die cast, you guys. Yeah, and I bought, I, I love my Dixon shirts because Rusty. Oh yeah, I ordered a Dixon shirt and I wear that damn thing.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I saw the plug you did for me on that. That was nice.

[Kenny Wallace]

They're not, you know, when it starts turning a little, cool out instead of wearing a jacket I wear a T shirt. Put. Put your Dixon shirt on.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah, I need to send you some more.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hell, yeah. I. Because I like the different colors.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah. Our T shirts are our bread and butter. Like, that's where we really, you know, are able to pay for a lot of this crazy stuff we do. Because, you know, running racetracks is not.

[Kenny Wallace]

No.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

A way to get rich quick.

[Kenny Wallace]

No.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

In fact, it's one of the best ways to lose a lot of money. But, you know, if you. If you do it right, you can make money. But the. The merch, like, you know, a lot of our fans support us there. Just buy a T shirt, right? You. You don't have to. You can watch for free. But a lot of them buy T shirts. And that's, like, the reason we're able to do all this crazy stuff.

[Kenny Wallace]

For sure. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. Okay. I'm going to continue to brag on you because I haven't found anything bad yet. But I. I told people, I said this. Okay? Here, I'm going to be honest. My brother. My brother Rusty, you know, I've been beat up my whole life because people are mad at me that I'm not as good as my brother. So they make fun of me because I run my mouth. And if I. If I run my mouth, I'm putting myself out there, and I get it. They are allowed to pick on me, and that's fine. And I love Rusty, but Rusty is. My God, he's so good to me. And he says to me, you know, when Rusty asked me a question, it's like, herman, straighten your up. Rusty looks at me now, remember, Rusty owned a Lear 31A. Rusty flies a jet Bell helicopter. But he didn't fly a helicopter. Billy Brooks did that. Rusty looked at me out of nowhere, and he says, is that Cletus the real deal? I looked at him, got my balls, got real big. I said, brother, I said, the guy's so nice. And I said, not just that. I said, you know what it's like to fly. We all had. We grew up in aviation, you know, we did. And I said, Rusty, he flies his own airplane. He flies his own helicopter. You drift those cars, which. It's easy to stuff those things in wall at any minute. This is me. All this talent that you have, how in the hell did you acquire all of it at such a young age?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You.

[Kenny Wallace]

You can do anything, it seems like.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, well, I'm. Turns out I'm not that good at turning left, but.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yes, you are. You just started. That's What I tell you, that's why I defend you. I'm like people he just starting.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You know, I think the driving abilities that I have been gifted would be mostly a result of snow covered parking lots in Nebraska growing.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, baby here too.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I think honestly that is gotta be the number one reason that I was given the, the energy management skills that I have. Like, if you didn't tear up your high school parking lot covered in snow for hours, I just can't qualify you as a good driver.

[Kenny Wallace]

But don't you gotta watch over them light poles, Cletus?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure I've hit a couple of them babies. But like just driving in the snow and you know, we lived on, on near gravel roads, a lot of gravel roads. You know, like I, I was a delivery driver for Jimmy John's. You know, I just was always wheeling, I was always pushing it sideways. Then I started doing autocross, you know, with my Subaru. Oh, so you know where they basically put cones in a parking lot.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And I thought I was a full blown race car driver. I started doing that and then I started doing weekend, you know, road course days. And then when I started youtubing, it was like, you know, I could do some fishtails around the corner. And then, you know, a couple guys let me drive their drift cars and I started getting into that. Then I started doing champ car road course racing like 14 Hours of Sebring. So I was just getting a lot of wheel time and then I just said, all right, well I'm gonna build a drift car. And I just started teaching myself how to drift. And I don't know, you kind of like it's either you can manage the energy of a car or you can't. Right. And it's so simple, right? You have steering angle, rear grip, front grip and you know, a throttle. So it's like.

[Kenny Wallace]

Let me interrupt you. Sorry I have to do this because when I was in the 1000 horsepower Cadillac with you, you know, I'm a racer. I've raced cars my whole life. I'm thinking if he lets off the gas just a little too quick, this thing's going to whip back the other way. You know, you watch these beginners in these, these Corvettes, right? They take off, they let off the gas.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I know.

[Kenny Wallace]

And then they. You've learned. You've learned. Now this is me bragging on. You've learned to roll off the throttle easy so it doesn't wipe back and wreck yourself. That's what I was impressed.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I think a Lot of it is just, you know, understanding what the car is going to do because you can let off instantly. You just have to know that you got to bring the wheel straight, you know, and, like, good stuff. The hardest thing for me in NASCAR is the staggered traction, right? Is you've got. You don't have symmetrical traction on. On all four tires. You know, in that Cadillac, I know I have, you know, even grip on both sides of the car. So in the nascar, when you get sideways and then it comes back to straight, they're just so different, right, because they just. They're just wonky. Like, they just don't feel the same as a car with symmetrical grip because they're set up to turn. So that's. That's probably the biggest challenge I've been facing with those cars versus, like, the Cadillac.

[Kenny Wallace]

I had a King Air 200. I owned a King Air 200. I had a pilot, you know.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

And I did this for a couple years, and then, you know, my NASCAR career faded, and I said, okay, sold my King Air 200 to subway out of Knoxville, Tennessee, and.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, really?

[Kenny Wallace]

But, you know, I mean, the whole family, we all were in aviation. And I'll never forget, you know, I know me, I'm worried. You know, they had me on Ritland. I can't help the way I am. And so we. We, too. Yeah, I'm really off center, but I can add. But I can add really good. So anyway, my king here, we take off, and we get up over the ocean. We're getting ready to do a left bank and head to Charlotte. And my pilot, he says, herman, you know, basically helped me fly this thing. And I'm like, look, I. So, Because I know that about myself, I'm really impressed that you have the ability to work all the avionics and listen to some video out there of you talking, you know, to the towers. You're really good with your. Your verbalization. You talk perfectly. We talked about the cars, okay? You just explained the cars to me. This avionics is this air. Where the hell did all that come from?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, I've been flying RC airplanes since I was very young. Like, that's probably the first thing I ever got into was RC planes and helicopters.

[Kenny Wallace]

Now we're rolling.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And so I've had a passion for those forever. I mean, I still fly them to this day. I have. But now I have the big ones, which is. They're awesome. If you ever get a chance, go on my channel and just type in, like, Cletus rc. And you'll see some really badass RC stuff, and then you'll also see me wreck a lot of it. But so because of that passion, I always wanted a helicopter really bad. So when I finally became financially capable, I bought a 50 share of a helicopter and started learning. And I just was fully immersed in, you know, studying the world of aviation. And I just went all in on. And then I got my helicopter license. I immediately said, all right, now I gotta get airplane. And then I got multi engine. Multi engine instrument. And then I went and got a jet rating. I got my helicopter instrument rating. Like, I just took them to the highest levels because, you know, I have, like, a feeling of the more, you know, the safer you can be. And I just fully committed so that, you know, when I am out here flying all of us guys around, I have the best understanding of what's in front of me and what I, you know, need to do. And we have the best equipment we can get. Fortunately, because of, you know, we make enough money to afford it. We have excellent equipment, and we just. It's the same thing. It's just energy management. You know, you're feeling it in your seat. You can feel the angle of attack in these aircraft.

[Kenny Wallace]

And.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And as long as you fly within their limitations, they're really safe. So. And they're a great tool, right? Like, we are only able to do so much in a day, but when we can be in Charlotte in two hours flat, knock out 10 different things that day, and then be home for dinner with my kids, like, that is life changing for me. So they're, you know, they're a tool that I need. I mean, the helicopters, I don't need. Those are just for. Purely because they're awesome.

[Kenny Wallace]

Hold on, though. Let me interrupt you again. I agree, but you and the Biff did some incredibly good deeds when Hurricane Helene came.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah. The helicopter is the reason I really am friends. Was. Was close friends with Biff. If I wasn't. If I didn't have it, I would have never really became good friends with Biff.

[Kenny Wallace]

You might have saved some lives. I mean, with that helicopter.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah. Yeah, maybe we got to help a lot of people. I mean, they had a really rough up there, so that was very memorable moment for me in my life. And I love flying. Right. Like helicopter pilots. One thing you got to understand, if you got a buddy with a helicopter, you call that guy and tell him there's a cat stuck in a tree, he's gonna get it out. Helicopter guys love getting their helicopters out. Like, it doesn't really Take much to convince me that I need to go get it out. I mean, if someone told me that their cat was stuck in a tree, I would definitely go save it. Because we just love flying. So, you know, to be able to fly and help people, that was really a cool thing we were able to do.

[Kenny Wallace]

So, you know, I just wanted to say, look, okay, you don't, you know, the helicopter is something fun to have, but look what you did for people. So in a weird, you know, a godly way, you said, you know, you really helped life.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah, it's weird. Like, the helicopter has definitely. I love them. Right, but you paid it forward. Not. Not a necessary expense. But like, the fact that I had it, it was cool that I was able to get to use it for something, you know, amazing. And then it also brought me close with the Biff and I got to experience that. So it's open doors for me, you know, that wouldn't have been there without it. So, yeah, I say it's not necessary. Maybe it is.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, listen, I always, you know, I never tell anybody anything. I tell people my experiences. I'm not a tell. Tell you, I might give my opinion when we do coffee with Kenny, but I'm just reminding you that you said you really don't need the helicopter and I'm bragging on you. And I'm like, hold on, you know, look, look what God did. He put that helicopter in your hands and you might save some other hurricane victims. You know, you guys get hurricanes every five years down there. You might use it again.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And it was kind of crazy because I'd been working on it for years, right? And then it got finished the week before.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, my.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

That one man. That particular helicopter. So it's like. It was like, this thing's ready for you. Go. Go do something with it. That was kind of crazy.

[Kenny Wallace]

What do they call the intervine dimension or.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And then I remember when I was like flying it and this guy, he barfed in the back seat and we had the windows open and it kind of blew forward and I felt it on the back of my neck. What was that? You know, And I'm in like this brand new.

[Kenny Wallace]

Who was it?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, the guy. The guy. He knows. Who. I don't know his name because all I did was pick him up out of like a blown apart town and fly him too.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, okay. This.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

He did. He did write a comment on one of my videos. He's like, hey, I was the guy that threw up in the back your helicopter. You know, it was all good we hosed it out, you know, like.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, yeah.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

There was so much mud and crap in the back of it. I mean, I just put the pressure washer in that thing.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, well, okay, now that you put it in context. Didn't. Didn't mean to. So this was serious stuff and this

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

guy had been roughed up. That guy was having the worst day of his life. I didn't for a second be upset. I was like, brother, you're good. This is the least of our worries. Awkward time to ask this, but. Hey, did you download the trail map?

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[Kenny Wallace]

I don't understand.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You're trusting your signal out here.

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[Kenny Wallace]

Whoa.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I don't trust my carrier that much.

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Kenny Wallace]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

There's a pill version of Ozempic?

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, everybody talking to the legendary my I say that you know Garrett Mitchell. We call him a Cletus. It's one of my most famous. I love saying legendary because when I grew up as a kid, you know, I love the announcers, so some of my. My daughters call it Kenny Isms. I got these. You know, it's. It's because. Ladies and gentlemen, the legendary Dale Earnhardt. You know, the.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

The word Sam is legendary. You called him a legend earlier. He's a legend.

[Commercial Voice / Bubbles the Cat]

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[Kenny Wallace]

You already are, even though. Hey, are you 31 or 32 now?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

31. 31.

[Kenny Wallace]

Man, when I saw you in real, I was shocked how tall and in shape you were. Do you work out? Your arms are like. Damn football player deals.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I've been trying to work out, man. I literally. I realized that I am fat and out of shape from driving these arc cars, like I was 237 or something, so. Damn.

[Kenny Wallace]

What's your height? What's your height?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Six. Six, Gene. And I was like, damn, you're going to weigh that. I'm out of shape, so I'm trying to get a little lighter, make the race car a little lighter.

[Kenny Wallace]

Stop it. Don't get yourself sick, man. Here. Here's what I do. They say, Kenny Wallace, your perfect BMI is 162, but I feel way better at 167. So whatever they tell you, your perfect BMI is, put about £10 on you, because you're going to lose that in a race car in the summer. We'll take you down.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Good to know.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, people say, herman, how do you stay so skinny? I said, buddy, it's summertime. You sweat your balls off.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You're in good shape, too. I mean, how old are you?

[Kenny Wallace]

I'll be 63 August 23rd.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah, you're killing it.

[Kenny Wallace]

I want to stay.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Sam is 80. Is he 81 or 82? 82.

[Kenny Wallace]

That is so badass.

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And he.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

He'll be here this today from 8 to 5, just working.

[Kenny Wallace]

You keep him alive.

[Commercial Voice / Bubbles the Cat]

You.

[Kenny Wallace]

You saved his life. You give him something to do.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

He. I think he's adding years. All of our lives.

[Kenny Wallace]

I love it.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

So enjoyable.

[Kenny Wallace]

He inspires you, doesn't he? I can see your face right now.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, yeah. He's the man.

[Kenny Wallace]

He means a lot.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I hope I'm close to, as, you know, mobile as he is at that age.

[Kenny Wallace]

I watched him down there, you know, peripheral vision, you know, I'm getting, you know, same thing. We're all busy, but. But he always had somebody cornering him, you know, always.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

He will talk to people the entire day. It's unbelievable. Yeah, he's just. I mean, he. What he does for our brand is insane. You know, I think a lot of people are like, oh, Cletus only could talk to me four seconds. Sam will talk to the same person for an hour.

[Kenny Wallace]

Is he the mayor of your.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Oh, yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

Your deal.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

For sure. Yeah, for sure.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, everybody, obviously, I've talked to Cletus, and we want to. We're going to wrap it up because he's a busy man. I know you're not too busy for me, but I appreciate you very much. I'm gonna rough you up right here in a. In a good way. This is me. This is me.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

All right.

[Kenny Wallace]

Nas, NASCAR didn't know too much about you. And they're like, you know, what the hell is this guy doing? You. You can't have a camera in your arc. A car, you know, they.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

And you took it with a grain of salt. You look, look, I messed up. And then. Now let's fast forward. They come back around and they're like, holy crap, this Cletus is helping us by the millions. You have taken millions of people now. This is me saying, this. You. You put millions of eyes on nascar. Now NASCAR has smartened up. And listen, I'm friends with Steve o'. Donnell. We text each other. That's my disclaimer. So I'm not this wild guy over here. And. And when I did a Kenny conversation like, a month ago, he. He gave you credit. So now they got you involved in these Nash Inter worldly commercials.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

Can you give us a sneak peek? When. When did the phone call happen? When did they call and say, cletus, you can help us, and we got a commercial. Will you do it?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, I will give credit to Joey Denowitz.

[Kenny Wallace]

Who the hell is that?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

You don't know who Joey Danowitz is?

[Kenny Wallace]

I should be more. I'm sorry, Joey. Please forgive me.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I guess you're a hero. Joey Danowitz, when I got in trouble with arca, right. With the camera in the car. Yeah. Reaches out, he says, hey, I work for nascar. I understand that there's a problem. And I can't remember how. How I ended up getting connected with him. But anyway, he said, look, he explained to me the difference between the business side of NASCAR and the competition side of nascar and how they don't really, like, always totally agree in that competition. This is a competition issue. Explain to me how the camera is more of an like. Because to me, I'm like, why would these guys not want a camera in the car? Like, I'm trying to spread the good word of how awesome this is, but they just don't want me to have the footage. Like, it makes no sense. He's like, no, you can't have a camera in the car because it gives an unfair advantage to your team if you can afford a camera that has data recording technology and they can't. So they outlawed all cameras. I'm like, wow, okay, that makes sense. So Joey's like, look, I get what you're trying to do. Let me help you. And he said, just, yes, sir. These guys, let's get through this penalty. We got through it. And then Joey pulled the strings to then get me live in car cameras that, you know, you've seen them streamed on YouTube like a Talladega. We had 115,000 people watching, right? So now he's created this relationship where NASCAR gets a hundred thousand people watching on their YouTube channel. They're getting subscribers by the truckload. And I get the footage, I get to make a video. And now Joey, now it's a bunch of people helping. But Joey facilitated this two way road. And like now he's my guy. I call him when I need anything and he's the one that said that gave my phone number to the production team. And now the production team calls me when there's a commercial. But like, even I was in Charlotte the other day doing that thing at Z Max where the guys were driving my drag car and I just called the production team and said, hey, I'm doing this. I'm paying the track myself, setting it all up. You guys are welcome to come and just shoot whatever you want for the NASCAR channels. And they came. So, like we, we kind of have a really good two way street going now and we're working on stuff for next year and, and just, it's been good. But I would say, I'd say, I'd give most of the credit to Denowitz.

[Kenny Wallace]

You're a good man. Because a lot of people would take the credit and you're, you're spreading the love.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Well, listen, they've been helping me. I mean, I gotta say, I feel like NASCAR really wisened up. I think they're trying.

[Kenny Wallace]

I'm the one that said that. I've been saying that for. That's why your mother likes me.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I feel like they, I feel like more than ever NASCAR is, is pretty, like it's kind of killing it on social media and stuff. So I, I'm, I'm pretty impressed.

[Kenny Wallace]

Let's end like this. Is NASCAR better that Was my coffee with Kenny this morning. Is NASCAR better period? Is it better?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

I think it's better.

[Kenny Wallace]

I know it's better. Sold out the last six out of last seven races. Jeff Gluck's poll 86 of the people love the Chicago race and a lot of it. Now this is me. Everybody is. Because of the man you're looking at right now. Yes, the racing's better. Yes, the tires better. Yeah, we got a handle on the next. I'm a racer. I build my own. I can weld, I can bend tube. I'm telling you, you opened the floodgates. You told all your, you, you, you told your people, look over here.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And maybe I just had good timing because I feel like I came in at a time where like, yeah, the, the next gen car. I didn't really know anything about it, but it seems like now it's really working good and like there's just been badass racing. Like I, I'm watching Denny Hamlin go from the back or win the pole, go to the back and then win the race twice. Like that's the type of stuff that makes me tune in and watch. And then Carson Hosavar, who's a natural born winner, is out here winning at Talladega, you know. So, like, I do appreciate you saying that. I'm bringing more eyes, but I'm bringing eyes to something that's pretty awesome to watch. So that helps.

[Commercial Voice]

Right.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Like getting people through the door is something I can help with. But the fact that NASCAR is so good right now is the reason people are staying. Like just my, you know, community is staying. I think it's pretty, it's pretty good time to watch nascar.

[Kenny Wallace]

And the great thing is, yes, the next gen took a beating early, but now look what that car can do. It can go to these streets. And I like what Ben Kennedy said. He said, look, we're going to have more of these one off surprise races. And it's like, okay, we can set up a street course. And by the way, the car, that next gen car, it can do it. And so they, you know, they, they can set up a street course anywhere in America or the world and that car will run there.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

Yeah, it looks like it's a hard car to drive.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, well, it is, it's.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

And you hear them all talk about it. It's got to be tough. I'm definitely looking forward to getting behind the wheel of one. I don't know when it'll be.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

But I can imagine it'll be within the next couple years. And I'm sure it's going to be a small disaster, but it'll be fun.

[Kenny Wallace]

Now you're a good man. 31 years old. There he is, everybody. Listen up, everybody. We've come to the end and I remind everybody all the time. Kenny conversation is in two places. Go to the Kenny Wallace YouTube show and you can see Cletus's pretty face. I don't know if we got a camera big enough to show his height or go over to our friend Dale Earn our junior's Dirty Mo Media podcast. So if you're on the way to the races, listen to Cletus. If you're at home, you can watch him. Cletus, anything else, buddy?

[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

No, man. I would just say I appreciate all the kind words you say and it's fun talking to you and building this relationship. And I'm excited to tell you about some cool stuff I got coming up.

[Kenny Wallace]

So call me, okay? I'll do it. All right, everybody. Until the next Kenny Conversation. Goodbye, everybody. Check out Dirty Mo Media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram.

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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[Garrett Mitchell (Cletus McFarland)]

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