Episode 04: Lucky Space Rock

Summary

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High Strange – Episode 04: Lucky Space Rock

Podcast by Tenderfoot TV and iHeartPodcasts | Host: Payne Lindsay | Release Date: February 27, 2026
(Transcript summarized from ~[02:35] to [44:00], content sections only)

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Episode Overview

This episode of High Strange explores the enduring mysteries of cattle mutilations and crop circles—phenomena that refuse straightforward explanations and inspire both skepticism and fascination. Through firsthand rancher testimony and an offbeat adventure searching for crop circles with a "lucky space rock," the episode probes not just the unexplained events themselves, but the power of belief, pattern recognition, and the lure of the unknown. The closing segment tees up the next deep dive: the infamous Bob Lazar/Area 51 saga.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Unexplained Cattle Mutilations ([02:35]–[15:44])

Testimony from Colby Marshall (Eastern Oregon rancher) and Local Law Enforcement

• Cattle mutilations are often discovered by landowners who intimately know their land and livestock. Typical features:
  • Animals found dead with precise, bloodless incisions—often tongues and reproductive organs removed.
  • Absence of tracks, drag marks, struggle signs, or blood at the scene.
    "There was no tracks. There was no struggle marks. There was no tire tracks. There was nothing." – Colby ([04:07])
• The surgical precision described:
  • "The hide was cut and then perfectly removed without nicking or cutting that layer. That is precise." – Colby ([05:29])
• The mystery is deepened by lack of predator evidence and the failure of a $25,000 reward to produce any leads.
  "We put out a $25,000 reward...and there was no leads in this case." – Colby ([07:35])
• Law enforcement and ranchers rule out predators and express frustration over the lack of official recognition.
  "I've seen firsthand what a cougar can do ... none of this adds up to that." – Jeremiah Holmes ([14:13])
• Theories considered:
  • Occult groups, government entities, and (sardonically) extraterrestrial research prompts self-aware doubts. "I've thought a lot about whether or not an alien culture from outer space would come to do this kind of thing..." – Colby ([09:03]) "I've also had people ask me, do I think it's government?...Why would you run the risk?" – Colby ([12:31])

Notable Quotes

• "Whoever's doing this understands anatomy very well, at least on livestock. I mean, surgical precision." – Colby ([06:33])
• "It will go on as the longest unsolved murder mystery in the history of the world." – Colby ([11:19])

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2. Crop Circles: The Debate and a Personal Quest ([15:44]–[25:16])

Insights from Circle Makers and Observers

• Crop circles began as a global phenomenon in the late 1970s/80s. Popular hypotheses included paranormal activity, but experienced human circle-makers revealed their practicality: "For me personally, everything changed when I went out and made my first circle with a team of established human circle makers. You can see this isn't as hard as you're led to believe." – Alon ([15:44])
  • Crop circles can be convincingly made by people who understand geometry and work in darkness, but strange things sometimes happen on-site: "When people go out to these circles...they start having a lot of weird experiences." – Alon ([16:40])
• Discussion shifts from “real vs. fake” to how these phenomena gain meaning through shared human experience and myth-making: "It's almost like a co-creation." – Payne ([18:12]) "Unwittingly you make something and somebody builds a whole mythology around it." – Alon ([18:14])

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3. The Lucky Space Rock: Alon’s Crop Circle Adventure ([25:16]–[34:45])

A Firsthand Account of Belief, Coincidence, and Questing

• Alon, an enthusiast, makes a whirlwind trip to England with his mysterious "space rock" to find a crop circle.
  • His journey includes a fruitless search, flat tires, detours, skepticism from locals, and a mystical attempt to "manifest" a circle by meditating at Avebury rock circle. "Come on, Aliens, let’s fucking go. I’m here for one more day. Give me a crop circle tomorrow to check out. That’s literally what I said." – Alon ([26:29])
• When hope fades, Alon follows a sudden intuition to revisit the crop circle center. By sheer coincidence, a new formation is reported as he arrives. He gets directions and sets off, only to have another flat tire just ten minutes away, leaving him stranded. "Literally, I get a download from the universe. Go to the crop circle center." – Alon ([29:06])
• With help from the only nearby house, he gets a tow and, in a humorous, feel-good twist, the homeowners offer to help him find the new circle. Using his drone, Alon finally locates and sees it: "At the end of that 360, the crop circles get into my frame. I found it. There it is." – Alon ([33:41]) "I feel like the flow of the universe. Aliens, God, are one with me. I found it. It’s here." – Alon ([33:54])
• The host, reflecting on Alon’s story, underscores that the value is not “proving” anything supernatural, but in the spirit and excitement of the chase—the meaning people find in these quests. "Maybe it's coincidence. Maybe it's pattern recognition. Maybe it's dumb luck. Or good space rock luck...The important part isn't whether the crop circle means anything. It's why people keep chasing them." – Payne ([34:04])

Notable Quotes

• "I was aware that it's ridiculous." – Alon, on trying to "manifest" a crop circle ([28:00])
• "I can't believe it's happening to me. I feel like the flow of the universe. Aliens, God, are one with me. I found it. It's here." – Alon ([33:54])

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4. What Really Matters: Belief, Experience, and the Next Mystery ([34:45]–[44:00])

Host’s Reflection & Teaser for Next Episode

• The episode closes with the idea that mystery stories gain power not from clear-cut explanations, but from ambiguity and personal significance.
  • Experiences at crop circles—even known man-made ones—often include "physical sensations, equipment acting weird, emotional reactions they can't explain." ([22:36])
  • The host turns philosophical:
    "Once, you accept that reality is not as fixed as it feels. A lot of these stories stop sounding like fairy tales and start to look like data points on a graph we just don't fully understand yet." – Payne ([40:14])
• Previews the next focus: Area 51 and the Bob Lazar saga. Is it the greatest UFO hoax, or a hidden truth? "Bob Lazar's story is either the longest running hoax in modern UFO history or...one of the most dangerous truths ever spoken out loud. This story refuses to die." – Payne ([43:11])

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "Whoever's doing this understands anatomy very well, at least on livestock. I mean, surgical precision." – Colby Marshall ([06:33])
• "It will go on as the longest unsolved murder mystery in the history of the world." – Colby ([11:19])
• "For me personally, everything changed when I went out and made my first circle with a team of established human circle makers. You can see this isn't as hard as you're led to believe." – Alon ([15:44])
• "Unwittingly you make something and somebody builds a whole mythology around it." – Alon ([18:14])
• "At the end of that 360, the crop circles get into my frame. I found it. There it is." – Alon ([33:41])
• "The important part isn't whether the crop circle means anything. It's why people keep chasing them." – Payne ([34:04])
• "Once, you accept that reality is not as fixed as it feels. A lot of these stories stop sounding like fairy tales and start to look like data points on a graph we just don't fully understand yet." – Payne ([40:14])
• "Bob Lazar's story is either the longest running hoax in modern UFO history or...one of the most dangerous truths ever spoken out loud. This story refuses to die." – Payne ([43:11])

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Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• Cattle mutilation testimony: [04:07]–[14:16]
• Discussion of crop circles & debunking: [15:44]–[18:25]
• Alon’s crop circle adventure begins: [25:16]
• Manifestation attempt: [27:54]
• "Download from the universe" and new circle reported: [29:06]
• Finding the crop circle with drone: [33:41]
• Inspirational reflection & meaning: [34:04], [40:14]
• Bob Lazar/Area 51 intro & teaser: [43:11]

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Tone & Language

The episode merges firsthand gravity (from ranchers and law enforcement) with philosophical curiosity and playful skepticism. Alon's adventure provides comic relief and self-awareness—making space for hope, frustration, and wonder, all conveyed in a candid, conversational style true to the show's "curiosity and skepticism" ethos.

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This summary captures all essential themes and arc of Episode 4, offering a roadmap for both skeptics and believers—without spoiling the resonance of the High Strange listening experience.

Transcript

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[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

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High Strange is released every Friday and brought to you absolutely free. But for ad free listening, exclusive bonuses and early Access to episodes. Subscribe to Tenderfoot [e-mail] or on Apple Podcast. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast and do not represent those of iHeartRadio, Tenderfoot TV or their employees. This podcast also contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. Cattle mutilations tend to surface the same way every time. Not as breaking news, but as a phone call from someone who knows their land and knows when something's off. An animal found dead, certain body parts missing, no blood when there should be blood, no tire tracks, no sign of anything. We're up in eastern Oregon, and this is Colby Marshall, a rancher who did not go looking for this story, but ended up inside it anyway. Welcome to High Strange.

[Clayton Eckerd]

Exact same mutilation. I took some photos, documented what I could. We noticed that there was no tracks. There was no struggle marks. There was no tire tracks. There was nothing. I went back to the ranch, called the sheriff's office, and we got in touch with the state police, notified the Forest Service, what we had found. When you're dealing with thousands of livestock, it's not uncommon to find something that has passed away or there's been an injury. And so we were very familiar. One of the first things that I noticed, the cuts on the animal, nothing makes sense about it. They were all very precise, like they had been done by a scalpel. Doesn't make any sense. A lot of times when you see an animal that is harvested in the wild and somebody is using a blade or they're using a saw to work down through the animal, the cuts can be more jagged. But this was done with a extremely sharp scalpel, or it was done with maybe even some sort of a laser cutting tool. It was so precise. Bulls, cows, even you and I, we have an abdominal cavity. We have a layer, a very, very fine layer inside, underneath our skin that holds our guts in. That layer, which is very, very thin, that was not nicked. It was not cut open. The hide was cut and then perfectly removed without nicking or cutting that layer. They just absolutely cut that away without nicking it. That is precise. And they did it on every single one of those animals. I mean, it's. Whoever's doing this understands anatomy very well, at least on livestock. I mean, surgical precision. I've spent my whole entire life around livestock. Cattle, sheep, goats, you name it. And at no point in my life have I ever experienced anything like that. It was. It was. It just. It makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. You start thinking, okay, how could this happen? Who would want to do this? What's the reason behind it? Why is it being done? What's the purpose?

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

These are expensive, high value animals. Their tongues were removed, reproductive organs missing, and not a single drop of blood in the soil.

[Clayton Eckerd]

We put out a $25,000 reward for information that would lead to an arrest or a conviction. And there was no leads in this case. Every single one of these mutilated bulls literally melted into the ground. Their hides were there months, if not a year afterward. You could go right to the site. You can see exactly where the animal was laying. I will never look at a livestock death the same ever again. I think about it all the time. And once you hear this story,

[Alon]

you

[Clayton Eckerd]

will also think about it.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

Nothing around the bodies suggested there was a struggle. There were no tire marks, no tracks, no drag marks. Ranchers live with death. They know what predators do. They know what scavengers leave behind.

[Clayton Eckerd]

The CIA operative, he'd been around a lot of dead bodies.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

A few years ago, someone in the CIA reached out to Colby directly.

[Clayton Eckerd]

He and I got to talking about it, and he said, you know, Colby, he goes, especially during the Afghanistan war, and seen some just horrific things out there. There's no blood in the carcasses. And I thought, yeah. And he said, well, if there's no blood in the carcass, it may not have the same smell as decomposing bodies do, giving that a lot of credibility. Because the only thing that makes sense to me is why the scavengers wouldn't just come after those animals laying out there is because they didn't smell the same. I. I appreciate the interest in it, because I. I don't think that there's enough acknowledgment of this and enough people. I think there's people that don't want to talk about it because they see it as something that is taboo. I think it's important, these discussions and these conversations are so important to get the word out so that people feel free to express their opinion or look into it close so that at some point in time, we can find out why it's being done. And once we know the why, I think all the other pieces will come into play. But until we know the why, I don't think we'll ever figure this out. And it will go on as the longest unsolved murder mystery in the history of the world. I don't think we're alone in the universe. I Think the universe is too big and too massive. And I think it would be ridiculous to think that we are all by ourselves out here. I've thought a lot about whether or not an alien culture from outer space would come to do this kind of thing. And the way I look at it, and maybe I'm naive about this, if you're using that kind of technology and you can travel across the universe and cover the distances that that are out there, why would you use that technology? To harvest reproductive organs off of range bulls in eastern Oregon? And I've went so far on this. Well, hey, you know, if they're coming from a billion miles away across outer space to sample eastern Oregon beef, we must be doing something right. I would tell people that. I thought that, you know, it must be a testament to the beef we're producing if that's the best beef in the universe. I also am not naive to think there isn't some other life in the universe and they might have some interest in it for a variety of different reasons. Personally, I think it is a group. I think it is a cult group that is home based right here on planet Earth. Which goes to the main question of, you know, why. I've also had people ask me, do I think it's government? Do I think there is a government entity out there that is doing this? If the government wanted to do something like this, why wouldn't they just do these activities, you know, on these big land bases that they have places all over the United States that they have isolated, that they can control every aspect of the environment. So why would you run the risk?

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

This series is not about jumping to conclusions. It's about documenting patterns that refuse to disappear. Cattle mutilations are one of those patterns. They're decades old, global, and still to this day, completely unresolved. My name is Jeremiah Holmes. I am currently the sheriff of the county. I moved out here to cowboy, moved out here to work on ranches. I cowboy for about five years, a fairly large ranch, south central part of Oregon. That was my first experience of mutilations. I remember going out with the boss at the time and looking at it. Leg had been removed, the heart had been removed, the reproductive organs had been removed, the tongue, cheek. For me, I have for the most part ruled out predators. I've seen firsthand what a cougar can do, and I've seen firsthand what a bear can do. I've seen firsthand what wolves will do

[Alon]

and coyotes will do.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

None of this adds up to that. When I first saw the first one, an alien thing came up. I said no very quickly, but at that point in time, my thought process. I was younger, but my thought process goes back to the little green men we see on TV screens when we're little. Right. Do I believe in that? I don't know if I necessarily believe in that. There's a lot of unexplained things that happen across the world. Keeping an open mind and following the facts where they are, I'm open to wherever they might lead. Too physical to be dismissed as imagination and too weird to find a reasonable explanation. While some ranchers are dealing with unexplained violence on the ground, other people in other parts of the world have been staring at something just as strange from above and they've been arguing about it for years. Crop circles. The thing is, crop circles didn't start as a joke, they didn't start on the Internet, they started quietly.

[Alon]

I got pulled in, I think, like a lot of people did in the late 80s when the sort of, the newspaper started running a lot of stories, huge formations that were appearing in Wiltshire. So I started heading down there, late 80s, early 90s. I kind of went in there thinking, oh, there must be something paranormal involved here, because these things are huge. For me personally, everything changed when I went out and made my first circle with a team of established human circle makers. You can see this isn't as hard as you're led to believe.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

In the late 1970s and early 80s, farmers began waking up to find large geometric patterns pressed into their fields overnight.

[Alon]

Providing you've got a fairly good understanding of geometry and providing you've got enough manpower and enough darkness, you can make quite a convincing crop circle. But then it becomes a lot more interesting because when people go out to these circles and make them, they start having a lot of weird experiences. People who go to these circles after they've been made have weird experiences. Well, it's not aliens and it's definitely humans, but there's something weird in the middle. Are we creating some sort of magical midpoint here where weird stuff does happen? And if you step away from that argument of, oh, it's aliens, oh, it's humans, the story becomes a bit more interesting. In my mind at least. Everyone sort of goes into overdrive trying to backtrack real world events and link them. No one will believe you that you made that crop circle. That first circle really sort of highlighted to me that people will bend whatever they want onto that formation, onto that design, and make it into something that makes sense to them.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

It's almost like a co creation.

[Alon]

Unwittingly you make something and somebody builds a whole mythology around it.

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Crop circles sit in a strange place. They've been treated as either evidence of something extraordinary or as proof that people will believe anything as long as it looks mysterious enough. And like most things in this world, the truth doesn't land cleanly on either side. You have some people who openly claim they've made these things themselves. And as weird as that sounds, there also isn't much physical evidence proving that either. Maybe there are multiple truths here, maybe not. Everything in this topic is neatly squared away. Real or fake doesn't always cover it. And it gets even stranger when you hear that people report unexplained experiences at crop circle sites that are supposedly man made. Physical sensations, equipment acting weird, emotional reactions they can't explain. At a certain point, the question stops being whether crop circles are real or fake. It becomes something more interesting. What are the experiences of the people who come in contact with them actually telling us? And that's why I love the story you're about to hear. Not because it proves that crop circles are Alien messages, but because it captures something honest and it turns into a full blown adventure. I met this guy the way you meet a lot of interesting people in the world, by accident at a hotel lobby bar during a UFO conference. He sat down next to me and without much context at all, placed a small, shiny metallic rock on the bar between us. He told me he believed it came from somewhere else, maybe another planet. Maybe it was debris from something that didn't belong here. He said he had it tested and that no lab could tell him what it was. I'll be honest, this space rock did look strange. But I also don't know shit about rocks. What I did know was how seriously he took it and how excited he was about the whole damn thing. Enough that it made me excited too. He called it his lucky space rock in that it had stories of its own. His name is Alon, and earlier this year he flew halfway across the world chasing an idea he doesn't even fully believe in. He had 48 hours in the UK to try and find an actual crop circle. And his plan was to use his lucky space rock as his guide.

[Alon]

I bought one way ticket to Israel through London. In London, I had only two days. So when I landed in England land in the uk, I rented a car, got to the crop circle center. That's where I drove first. I go in and I meet that woman who works there. That's her life. She has a museum there. She has this website. When people find a crop circle, they let her know she puts it up online. And she said, look, there's nothing new, but there's an old one from like a month ago that you can go and check out. So I was like, okay, cool, I'll do that. I drive there. I knock on the door, this woman opens up. Yes, can I help you? I'm like, crop circle. She goes, oh my God, not again. She goes, stop, Just stop. It's a hoax. There's no crop circles. You all keep coming here for this. It's not real. I'm sorry that you had to come all this way, but I'm sorry. I drive back, back to my Airbnb, and I'm kind of like, baffled. And little did I know, all the country roads in England are tiny and very narrow. And I'm also driving on the left side, which is fucking weird. Driving this huge car. This car come in front of me. I freak out. I move to the left and I hit the curve. I hit the curve and I get a flat, flat tire. So I stop at a flat Tire shop. And the guy's like, here, let me put the spare for you. Come back tomorrow, I'll fix it. I go back to my Airbnb, kind of bummed. And the landlady tells me, well, you know, you should go to Avery rock circle. What? Yeah, everybody knows about Stonehenge, but there's also Avery rock circle. It's in this village. It's free. You can go there. It's amazing. So I thought, okay, day's not completely lost. I'll go there. So I took my rock, I went to that place, and it's amazing. It's incredible. These megalithic rocks just in this huge circle around the village. My mood got better, and then I got inspired. I took my rock and meditated. Put my iPhone in front of me, and I'm like, come on, Alias, let's fucking go. I'm here for one more day. Give me a crop circle tomorrow to check out. That's literally what I said.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

So what were you trying to do exactly?

[Alon]

Summon a crop circle?

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

Trying to manifest a crop.

[Alon]

Yeah.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

Into existence.

[Alon]

Yeah, I just kind of laughing at myself. I was aware that it's ridiculous.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

So what day was this?

[Alon]

That was July 11th. I can. Do you want me to play it? Yeah, I'll play it. That's my phone.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

Alon ends up in a garden. No crowd, no spectacle. Just him holding his lucky space rock, eyes closed, breathing slowly, doing exactly what he came there to do. He recorded himself on his phone the whole time.

[Alon]

I went to sleep. I wake up in the morning and I was following the crop circle report, and there was nothing. There's no crop circle.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

There's no.

[Alon]

I'm like, the. This trip is not going very well. That night I'm flying out to Israel. So I have, like, day and a little bit of the night, and then I'm done. I didn't really think something was going to happen. I. I hoped, you know, fun adventure, no matter what.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

This is when his whole story starts to sound like some Steven Spielberg adventure.

[Alon]

I stop at the tire shop and the guy tells me he can't fix my tire. And it's like £300 to get a new one. This is a rental. I'm not fucking doing that. So just put it in the back and I'll use my spare. It's a tiny spare. I'm just gonna drive on that. Then literally, I get a download from the universe. Go to the crop circle center.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

Now, what do you mean, download from the universe?

[Alon]

Intuition. I don't know how to call it. You just, like all of a sudden, you know, it's not a voice, physical voice, but it's almost like it, but very, very, very clear. I need to go to the crop circle center. Now. I drive back to the crop circle center. I go in, I'm like, hey, how's it going? All of a sudden, she gets a text message and she's like, crop circle just popped up. The coordinates, pictures, videos of it. And I'm like, what the fuck? Okay, how do I get there? The way that report comes, they have pictures, a video, and a map with coordinates, but it's not like a Google map. It's not a location. You can just put on your GPS and then go there and you'll find it. Here's a picture of the area, the arrow that points where the crop circle should be. So I get in the car, I start driving. I'm playing music, bro. I'm high as fuck.

[Narrator/Host]

I got a crop circle.

[Alon]

I'm just so happy. So it's an hour drive. Very country. Like, I'm in the middle of nowhere. There's no houses, no nothing. Very small roads. I'm 50 minutes in, I hear, poof. My spare explodes. I get another flat. The car stops. Now in the middle of fucking nowhere. I don't have another spare. I'm stuck. I'm fucked. I'm mad. Miss my flight. I was devastated. Come all the way here to fucking England, give me a crop circle that I ask you for, and then 10 minutes before I get to it, you're gonna fuck me like that?

[Narrator/Host]

Kidding me.

[Alon]

I thought, it's all bullshit. There's no aliens. It's all bullshit. This whole thing was a fucking mistake. My whole obsession with this is a mistake. All his lost moments, epically. And I call my fiance, and she's going, babe, listen to me. You got this. I'm like, I do? You do? Look around. Is there anybody there? Mind you, there's no houses anywhere. There's not a neighborhood, it's not a street. And I realized there was a fence right next to me, like a picket fence. And I go on my tippy toe, and I look above the fence and turn up the house. There's a house. There's two cars. The only house. Go and knock on their door. Nice gentleman, opens the door. They're super nice. It took us, like, probably an hour and a half. Figure out this local towing company, and they said, yeah, we'll come get your car and we'll take you to the airport. Great, when? 11pm so she hangs up the phone, like, oh, My God, thank you so much. And then she looks at me and she goes, okay, shall we go find your crop circle? Are you serious? She's like, we lived there our whole lives. You've never seen one. You're saying it's right here? Let's go. Not all is lost yet. We get into their car. She's driving. I'm sitting next to her, her husband behind me with the map that I gave him. And he's navigating old country roads. Dirt roads get to this place. We thought, that looks like the pictures. We recognize the trees. We climb up. I bought a drone for that trip. So I was like, okay, I have a drone. I'll send it up there in 360 overview and see what I see. So I get the drone up, and at the end of that 360, the croc circles get into my frame. I found it. There it is.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

There it is.

[Alon]

Oh, my God. Look at this. Look at it. It's right here. I can't believe it's happening to me. I feel like the flow of the universe. Aliens, God, are one with me. I found it. It's here.

[Narrator/Host]

It's here.

[Alon]

Oh, my God, it's here. But it's on my drone. I love it.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

Against his own expectations, the universe plays along. Maybe it's coincidence. Maybe it's pattern recognition. Maybe it's dumb luck. Or good space rock luck. The important part isn't whether the crop circle means anything. It's why people keep chasing them. His name is Alon. If you'd like, go check out Alon's YouTube channel. It's called I'm not joking. It's fucking aliens, bro. 100% worth it.

[Clayton Eckerd]

I'm Clayton eckerd, and in 2022, I

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Narrator/Host]

Unfortunately, it didn't go according to he became the first Bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The Internet turned on him.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Narrator/Host]

But what happened to Clayton? After the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

The dating contract.

[Narrator/Host]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

Please.

[Clayton Eckerd]

Search warrant. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Narrator/Host]

I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of he said, she said and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. I have done nothing except get pregnant by The Bachelor Listen to Love trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real?

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

If you could control the behavior of

[Narrator/Host]

anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Alon]

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Narrator/Host]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Clayton Eckerd]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Narrator/Host]

Can you get someone to join your culture? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Nlp, AKA Neuro linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Clayton Eckerd]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Narrator/Host]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys. In of spite, he stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, nlp, might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

The nurse who should have been in

[Alon]

charge of caring for tiny babies is

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Narrator/Host]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Alon]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Narrator/Host]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the the people that lived it. To ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Alon]

It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Narrator/Host]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Clayton Eckerd]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy

[Narrator/Host]

agencies in the world.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Alon]

This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him. But the FBI has his chats, texts,

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

emails, even his personal diary.

[Alon]

Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer. No doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn no one had ever seen Anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Alon]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

I'm recording this at 10:07am I know that because I just looked at my phone and if you're listening to this, it's no longer 1007. It might be morning, it might be late, you might be on a walk or just couch riding somewhere. Which already tells you something strange about time. We act like time is this solid thing we're all standing inside together, like there's one shared now that we're all moving through. But according to science, that's not actually how it works. Physics says there is no universal present, no master clock, just events happening stacked differently depending on where you are. So when I say it's 10:07am, that moment is already gone. But this sentence is happening for you right now. What that means in real life is this time isn't something you're riding on, it's something you're coordinating with. We schedule our lives around it and we measure ourselves against it. We panic when we feel behind it, but it's not actually moving the way we think it is. What's moving is us. Your attention, your decisions. Those are what create the feeling of time passing. That's why some days fly by and this monologue is dragging. That's why one conversation can change everything and then 10 years can disappear quietly. Time doesn't speed up or slow down. Your experience does. So if you feel like you're running out of time or just waiting for the right moment, think about this. There may not be a single now in the whole universe, but there's always a moment where you're making a choice. Sending a text, avoiding the conversation, showing up, not showing up. That's the only part of time you actually touch. So wherever you're hearing this, whatever time it is for you, that's just the point of contact. Not the closest clock, not the calendar. Just a moment where something happens because you were there. Once, you accept that reality is not as fixed as it feels. A lot of these stories stop sounding like fairy tales and start to look like data points on a graph we just don't fully understand yet. For decades, there has been one place more than any other where time, perception, secrecy, inexperienced, all seem to collide. A place that was built for keeping secrets. A place you can't even get a solid satellite Image of a place that officially did not exist until it did. Area 51. There's one story that sits right at the center of Area 51, whether you want it to or not. A story that didn't just introduce flying saucers to American culture, but permanently fused them to this secret military base in the Nevada desert. At the center of that story is a man named Bob Lazar. This guy didn't claim to see something strange in the sky. He claimed to work inside the system itself. Reverse engineering flying saucers. Bob Lazar's story is either the longest running hoax in modern UFO history or. Or one of the most dangerous truths ever spoken out loud. This story refuses to die. We're about to try and make sense of all of it. I didn't just want another opinion. I wanted the person who has spent years closest to this story, closest to Bob Lazar himself. If this is all a lie, I'm honestly just impressed at this point. And if it's not, then a human revelation has been sitting right in front of us this entire time. News articles once again mention the talk about alien spacecraft, things of alien origin flying in Nevada out of nowhere, like a scirocco in the desert he was in. Silhouette comes forward on the news and says, we are reverse engineering alien spacecraft at a place called Area 51, which you haven't heard about nine flying saucers. I was part of that program and now I'm worried about my life. A threat to my personal safety. That's my story. The live interview drew international attention. Portions were broadcast by radio in six European countries and in a nationally televised TV special in Japan. His real name is Robert Lazar. He says he was hired to work at an area called S4. At S4, he says, are flying saucers, antimatter reactors, technology that is seemingly beyond human capability. Lazar's story is, by any standards fantastic. He says he's telling it in order to protect himself.

[Clayton Eckerd]

Kousis Lazar Guy. I don't.

[Jeremiah Holmes / Payne Lindsay (Host of High Strange)]

I don't know. Can we believe him? Can we not? Is he a liar? I'm going to find out. High Strange is a Production by Tenderfoot TV in association with iHeart Podcasts. Created, hosted and edited by myself, Payne Lindsay. Executive producers are myself and Donald Albright. Editing by Mike Rooney, Cooper Skinner and myself. Original score by Makeup and Vanity. Set sound design, mixing and mastering by Cooper Skinner. Additional production by Mike Rooney, Dylan Harrington, Eric Quintana, Sean Nurney and Meredith Steadman. Our cover art is by Polygon. Special thanks to Oren Rosenbaum and the whole team at UTA, the Nord Group, Station 16 and Beck Media and Marketing. Check out the show's [e-mail] and if you're enjoying the show, please help us out by rating and reviewing the podcast and share it with your friends. Thanks for listening.

[Narrator/Host]

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.