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Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Minneapolis ICE Shooting, Chris Redd Gets Candid, and the Penis Lawsuit
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Foreign.
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Yo, yo, yo. Mad ass niggas. Power learning is on. It is I, Van Lathan Jr. And.
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It'S me, Rachel Van Lindsey.
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Interesting week. They. They are pissed off. They're mad. Mad?
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Who's mad?
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Everybody. People who listen. People who don't listen. People who.
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People who don't listen. If you're getting around like that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think on Twitter that there's some trending on Twitter, some aggregators that took the clip and then put it out. And so there are people who don't listen to the podcast who are also.
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Upset, which delights me on Twitter. We both get it.
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No, I didn't see you getting it at all.
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Oh, yes.
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I'm trying to be. So. I'm trying to stop sharing my pain.
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Whenever I speak about the culture, what always pops up? The past.
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What?
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They love to recirculate the past.
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What's in the talk about Brian?
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Shit always pops up.
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B daddy. How is he doing?
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Oh, he's about to get paid again. And then we're done. I'm done.
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Oh, it's almost over.
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It's done.
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Oh, shit. We got to go to Six Flags or some shit like that.
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We should go to Six Flags.
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We should celebrate. So then. So you about to be up then?
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Well, crawling out, but yeah, sure. I mean, I survived it.
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You did.
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How about that?
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What? What? What? So then after he's off the teat. So then do you. Do you anticipate there being any reason to have any contact at all going forward?
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It kind of plays into one of the stories we'll cover. Oh, there's a fear. There's a fear that. That if this moves forward, possibly get into the story.
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Oh, interesting. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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I actually do it as a quick hitter, but.
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Oh, okay. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Suing somebody over comments made. Suing somebody over that is a very slippery slope. So I anticipate, based on the judgment, I have nothing else to pay. It doesn't stop somebody from getting upset, throwing a tantrum or a hissy fit, and trying to use the legal system to their benefit.
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We have to talk about that. So we're gonna talk about the Democrats who did a candlelight visual I forgot about. Obviously, we have to talk about ICE Minnesota, Minneapolis, the tragic killing of an observer there in Minneapolis, and how the Trump administration is discussing this, how people are talking about this. There's video. Very troubling stuff. Spencer Pratt wants to be the mayor of Los Angeles.
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A former ringer Former ringer guy.
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Former ringer guy did their podcast. Matt Khil is being sued by his ex wife, Chris Red. We're going to talk about and maybe if we have Zion Williamson and his latest OnlyFans excursion. But I think obviously we need to kind of talk about what happened on Monday. I guess it was Monday for us. It was Tuesday for you guys. And the conversation at the end of the podcast around Aiden Ross and the men around Aiden Ross. All right, first, before I talk, Rachel, do you have anything you want to say?
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No.
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Zero.
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I don't think. I don't. I don't have nothing to say, really. I think the floor is yours.
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Okay, cool. So this is what I'll say. All right. Everything I say, I'm responsible for everything. So it doesn't matter whether or not context is my ally or not. If you can clip it and put it out there and I said it, it's on me. So there's nothing that I said on Monday or Tuesday show that I am going to attempt to walk back. What I will say is this though it what happened insofar as me talking about some of the feelings I have of criticisms that seem to be omnipresent around black men during that segment was just ill timed because that has to be a part of the conversation surrounding Aiden Ross. I understand it has to be a part of the conversation because Aiden Ross is a hip hop cosplayer. And you have to ask the question, what is he cosplaying? He certainly isn't cosplaying 9th wonder or sway or, you know, Chuck D. He's cosplaying a certain type of, let's face it, black man that he is around and that is leading him to act the way he acts. And then I think he is legitimately surprised when he is held to a different standard than even they are sometimes. Because when some of these guys that we're talking about say or do stuff or some of the Aiden's minions that we don't even know, we kind of brush them off oftentimes as the knuckleheads within our culture that we kind of, kind of get out of here. Right? Remember even when we talked about Tyler Creator back in. In the day and we talked about his tweets, and I go, you know, those tweets never really bother me no matter how they looked, Be they anti black, be they whatever. Because I'm like, I looked at those guys as like the young knucklehead niggas. And so whatever, you don't take them seriously. We don't do that all the time, but we do do it sometimes. And having that conversation about how far that culture goes and how it informs somebody who. Who is white, who's outside of the culture, you have to have it. You have to have it. So if I have frustrations about the way we talk about black men on higher learning when, or the way black men are talked about in general, that was the wrong time to bring it up. That's just true. Two things, though, I will address directly. One is the reason why I think that happened. It has to do with that feeling, but it also has to do with Glasses. Had Glasses on a podcast. Glasses to me. Me and Glasses argue all the time. Glasses has a lot of what I would call bad ideas. Right. But Glass is thoughtful, inquisitive. He. He knows he's got a big brain. He uses it sometimes to incite you. He uses it sometimes to rabble rouse. But at the same time, he is a friend of mine. So when we were having that conversation where I saw the conversation had, I actually was, I felt, to be honest with you, somewhat vindicated that it was him that was standing in the gap. Because he, to me, represents a black man that I feel like is being cast aside now, is being not tightened up, but, like, suffocated, and we don't have any use for it. And they're bad, and they're what we need to evolve away from and some of the ideas and stuff like that. Yeah, that's true, we do. But it. There seems to be something that's metastasizing that I am starting to notice. So when we had the conversation and it was like, okay, look, the homie that I brought on the podcast that you guys didn't really like, and I knew that you guys wouldn't like him, I was almost trolling you guys, bringing them on. Look what he did. He is the one that said enough on this black lady and used what he uses, which is the street ethic that he's learned to say, if you continue, these are the ramifications and repercussions. That was also interesting to me because what we have not been able to do is establish any ramifications or repercussions for cultural malfeasance. We just. We haven't been able to do it. As a matter of fact, the Internet has undone that. The Internet has undone the ability to really mete out cultural justice for most people. Like, for most people, that's a fight on the right right now. The fight that they're having on the right, right now is essentially about how they get Nick Fuentes in the griper movement in line, how they deal with them. Because they. The power structures that they have to cut people off don't exist anymore. You can't deplatform anybody. You, you, you can't silence them. You have to contend with what it is that they're saying. And like, how do you contend with something that's so disgusting they don't know how to do it? We lost that battle first because a lot of the people with the worst ideas, a lot of the people with the worst shit became the best, biggest, gigantic people. Neon. If I'm talking about the street streamers, Neon Aiden Ross. Even of these new streamers, I'm talking about even. Even I show speed. Like, even early on he was on some different. Right. Anyway, I digress. So that was a part of, of, of that situation and me sort of overreacting to that. But there is something else. There's something that people clocked and they're right. I've gotten so many different opinions. And there's one thing that is correct that people are saying. I want them to know that's correct. People have said just generally, and actually even you said just generally that they don't understand why I see myself in a certain type of black man. Now, I cannot say that I see myself in anybody that's surrounding Aiden Ross, okay? Those are like young knucklehead niggas. I don't even think they know what they're doing right. But what I will say is when, when, when you said that and when it's being said to me that you guys are basically right, I do see myself in the type of black men that are most routinely criticized by platforms like ours or other platforms that are trying to set right the cultural expectations of black people. I see myself in them more than I see myself in the people that would be pure or upstanding or upright. Like, it. Like, my father was a good dad, put together a family, but then had kids outside of his family. My uncles were drug addicts. They were brilliant men. They were drug users. They were loving men that were violent. They were regulated men that were completely irregular, and they all died early. Like, the place that I come from, what I come from is not what people would consider to be in any way elevated is really if there was. I'm. And I want to make sure that my mother, my sister, and my grandmother, who are family that still live in Louisiana, are set apart from this, because those are three of the most Elegant, beautiful women that I've ever known, right? But like, I taught you on the phone, like, my grandmother, my father's mother was a man side chick. Like, she had three children for a man who was married, right? Like, three kids for him for a guy who had a whole nother family. She's on her deathbed and she's like, saying stuff to me, and she's like, oh, I didn't know the JT was playing on me, and I didn't know this, and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, by the time I was in too late, I asked my dad about that. I'm like, dad, what is she talking about? Dad's like, man, she's confessing. She's absolving. She's trying to get absolution, right? She knows she doesn't have much time left. So when I say all of this, I'm not saying this to in any way try to pull on anybody's heartstrings. What I'm saying is that I legitimately see myself as somebody who was able to expand their mind a little bit, read some books and have different connections and be able to understand the systemic dysfunction that makes brothers who are perfectly good make the wrong decisions about their lives and about the lives of the people around them. And I truly believe that. I don't believe in the defectiveness of the people where I come from or the black men from See the Shining Sea. I don't believe in it. I believe that they, in a sense, in a sense, not totally, are victims of a historical and contemporary wilderness that they have not yet found themselves in. And I deeply, deeply, deeply believe that. And if I didn't believe that, then I guess I would feel the need to call them, culturally call them, and put them in a place where they could no longer have any influence. I don't think that that's true. I don't. And so as we continue to have conversations and have had conversations on higher learning, I think it's important for me to be like, yo, when we talk about what black men are responsible for and what black men are doing, there has to be, to me, nuance and contextualization into how we speak about brothers and how we particularly speak about young brothers. You guys, this is not to excuse any of what you're seeing. I know, particularly from. From our women and from our older people, that you guys are fed up. I completely understand. I understand that you are fed up. You want better from the people that you share your community with. I get it. I want better for You, I want better for them. But for me, what I have to be able to do is speak to some of the things systemically that ail and plague these neighborhoods, that create the outcomes that are created. I'm not gonna go too much longer, but I'll say this. It is easy to create distance between you and what you think. The proletariat or the regular or the undesirables, as one person put them that responded to me said, van, you're going to get so much love from the undesirables. I don't want to be a desirable. I don't want to be a nigger y' all look up to. I don't want to be somebody that you guys think is going to have the perfect answer to stuff all the time. I don't want to be one of the good ones, because the only thing that people do to those people is shred them. What I want to be on this podcast and with everyone that listens, is the most authentic, imperfect, but, like, present version of myself. And y' all not always gonna like me. That's the only thing I can give y'. All. But I really do appreciate the engagement for everyone that reached out that was legitimately concerned, either about the way that I reacted or I responded or the other people that were super mad about it. You're all entitled to your opinions. It's all gravy. Fuck the Reddit. I didn't go on there. But everything else is completely above board. I'm fine with it. I felt like I owed y' all that. And can we get into the podcast now? We can take a little break.
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We can take a break.
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All right. Okay. Rachel, this is for you.
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No, it is not.
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This first one's for you.
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No. Why is this for me?
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This first one's for you. Because every. Every time I criticize the Democrats, people get mad. And I know that you like this. Donnie, let's talk about this.
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Yeah. The fifth anniversary of January 6th was this week. And in response, Democrats gathered with a candlelight vigilant, and they had a song to sing.
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From the mountains to the prairies to the oceans. God bless America, my home.
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You gotta hear the whole verse.
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You'd have to play the whole thing. Jay, can you hand me my candle? No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
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I'm about to say we pulling out all the props in this.
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This is not my story. You know, I'm not down for this. I don't understand the. I don't even know if I would Call this pomp and circumstance or just the need to have some sort of public display. Of course, when people were. Were talking about this, they compared it with the side by side photo image of the Democrats kneeling down on one knee with the Kufi. They didn't have koofies, but they had the kids.
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Somebody might have had a koop.
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Nobody had a dashiki. They had the kente cloth. You know what?
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That's. That's fucked up. Yeah, I fucked. Yeah, they had the kente cloth on.
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Anybody have no koofies, no dashikis. But it's just. For what? For why? Listen, obviously it's been five years. We all probably remember exactly where we were and how we felt. And it seems so surreal watching what happened five years ago on January 6. It is something that we should talk about not just on January 6th, in order to not water it down, in order to remember what happened, in order for them not to make light of it or to be a revisionist as they are trying to do and change these people from what they were, which were terrorists, they were domestic terrorists. And they try to make it seem like they were heroes. I get that we should talk about it, but this is not the way. There should be no candlelight vigils. And let me just be clear. I do not want to also take away from the fact that five lives were lost on that day, but a candlelight vigil is not the way to do it. Singing God Bless America is not the way to do it. This kind of behavior has to stop. There are ways to go about talking about what happened. And this just makes us laugh. We're laughing about it instead of actually remembering how tragic that day was. We're laughing about the Democrats seeing God Bless America. Who was present? I didn't watch the video. I mean, who were some of the heavy. Who were some of the heavy heads?
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Schumer was out there. Hakeem Jeffries was out there. This was the whole strongly worded letter brigade of the Democrats.
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Exactly.
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Do you know what I noticed? I've noticed something about the Democrats. So play for a basketball team, a Breck team called the Warriors. And we had a guy on the team named Silas. And I don't know what happened to him. I don't know what happened to Silas, but he was just uncanny with his ability to find you. He would do stuff like he would take a couple of hard dribbles into the lane. And this is we talking about we like 13, 14, right? He would take a couple of hard dribbles into the lane. And grab your defender a little bit by their shorts and pull your defender with him and do like this. Like he was gonna go up and then wrap the ball around to you. He could just find you.
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I hated him even playing with him.
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Playing with them was beautiful.
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Okay?
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Playing with them was gorgeous. You got to the free throw line. He was just good for six points. Just six easy points. But you get on the bus, Silas would fart. Silas would, like. He stink up the whole bus, stink up the whole car. He would do this thing where he would take, like, a moon pie and eat the moon pie and make it into a mush and then show it to you. Something was wrong with him. He could see that floor, though, and he could hit that little. He. That little three. He would hit that little three. He could see that little. That floor. He was my teammate, and I hated him. That is how I feel about them. I cannot stand these people. And I wish it was different. I wish it was different. They are the only thing that is standing in the gap for democracy. They are the Democrats, unfortunately, the Democrats likely. To me, they're likely controlled opposition. Right. Then they're likely a milquetoast version of leftist political movement. Right. That's what they likely are. However, they legitimately, at this point, are the only thing that can stop stuff from happening. Like it happened in Minnesota. Right. If that wouldn't have happened if Kamala Harris were president. It's just a fact. If Kamala Harris were president, that woman would be alive today. We're gonna talk about that in a second. It wouldn't have happened if Kamala Harris were president. Right. That's a fact. There are so many other things we can talk about that wouldn't have happened if Kamala Harris were president. You have to deal with and contend with those facts at the same time. The stuff like this and other things that I see, I just don't like this current batch of Democratic leadership. I don't like them. They're Democrats that I do like. We've had them on the podcast. I do like Maxwell Frost. I do like Summer Lee. I do like Ro Khanna. There's other people I do like in the Democratic Party, right? But this Cori Bush who's running right now, who we hope to have on the podcast pretty soon, Love Cori Bush. Right. Even some of the centrists. West Moore is not quite that much to the left. He's essential. A lot of probably different political difference with West. West cuts a strong image, though. Other people I could name that might not be as far to the left as other people as people might think I need them to be for me to say, oh, okay, you're a good, you're a good politician or a good Democrat or somebody. I just don't like shit like this that looks weak and makes the party look like a laughing stock.
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That's it. That's it. I mean, it's. You don't like it and I don't like it because it's ineffective. And for where we are right now in our society, to see this happens, obviously happen the day before what we're about to talk about, that happened in Minnesota, but it makes you even more angry because watching them do what they do serves absolutely no purpose other than to put on a show. And where we are right now in our society and what's happening and with the Trump administration and in Venezuela and overseas and even within our, our own country, and you're sitting here singing God Bless America in harmony like it's just to use, it's a laughingstock, to use my word. It's ineffective and it's borderline problematic because you're not doing or it doesn't feel like you're fighting in the way that we need you to. You're putting on a show and the jig is up with that. People don't want to see that anymore because of the things that are happening over there or overseas.
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Yeah, this after the standoff on the put this after the standoff on health care did not go to Democrats way. Look, I give them credit on that. I know a lot of people don't want to, particularly a lot of my people on the left.
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Give them credit for what?
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I give them credit for frontlining the American health care debate. I give them credit for that. I give them credit for making the issue an issue that now has to be talked about because had they not did what they did with the shutdown, then the subsidies would have gone away, the ACA subsidies would have gone away and there wouldn't have been much talk about it. Right now there is at least some type of political idea that the semi average American Americans who are paying attention to this has about whose responsibility is that those subsidies went away. Now you can make a political determination and say, hey, at the end of the day, it's the Democrats responsibility that the subsidies went away because they didn't fight effectively enough to keep them around. Or you can criticize the ACA in its totality. You can do a whole bunch of things. But in terms of right now, there's an understanding at least with some people that there's one party that cares about whether or not poor people have health care or, you know, people who don't have means have health care. And then there's another party that wants to do whatever they can to have the most draconian capitalist health care policy that they can. So I give them credit for that. But coming off that, which politically, even though I give them credit for raising the awareness of the issue with the shutdown, politically was a loss, right? Politically, it was a loss. They did lose that fight, Right. Those subsidies did go away. To do something else that looks this feckless and frankly, Saturday night, lavish. I want to know who. If the Democrats need Karen Civil, that's who they need. Democrats need Karen Civil. Karen, I'm gonna call you. Y' all don't know who Karen Civil is. Y' all need to get hip. That's who need to do the. The social media and the marketing and the stuff like that. Karen Civil. Get Candace Grace out there. Get some of these women that know how to actually move stuff on social and build brands. That's what they really need. Call Candace Grace. You're not going by that old name anymore. Call Karen Civil and get them together. Dream team, join up. Go out there and figure out how to market what it is that you're doing to people. Cause everything that you do.
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Ms. Diddy.
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Don't call her that no more.
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Well, I just wanted to be clear on who it was. I was just. I wanted to make sure I understood.
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She had to. That was funny. She had to get away from the Miss Diddy thing.
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Yeah, she did. Like, but I wanted to be clear. I wasn't quite sure.
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Yeah. So, like, get with them. Get with them. Get with Jason daughter, Alexis Wilson. She know how to build a brand. Get with these women and go out there and build a brand that you can actually take out to America.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's tough, bro. It's tough, man. This is like you.
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It's not tough. This is simple, Van. This is simple. Like, you would think, at least from the kneeling in the kente cloth, that you would have learned. All right, we'll give you that one. It was bad. We made jokes about it. We'll give you that one. But you're still doing the same thing. It's. This is simple.
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Yeah.
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That's why not everybody participated in this.
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You could have used this to bring some type of legislation. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a fan of this. You know why?
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It scares Me because we are in the year of the midterms and we talk about. You brought up health care and I don't want to dive too, in too much into it. But even though, yes, they put it out there, they were the ones fighting for it. You could make an argument it was too late. Whatever you want to.
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They had tried earlier.
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They were the one. They tried. But then the letter, you can make all those arguments. At the end of the day, people are without the aca. The subsidies are gone. People are having to determine how they're going, if they're going to afford their health care or something else. There are already stories coming out about how people are passing away because they chose to not pay into their healthcare and could not afford something and took a gamble and lost their lives in it. Those stories are already coming out. It's January 8th today and those stories are happening. It will be an even bigger loss if you get caught up in the God bless America of it all and you aren't continuing to remind people what has happened with the subsidies going away with other things that the Trump administration is doing, what Congress on the right is doing. If you focus, focus on the God bless and not focusing on that leading into these 20, 26 midterms. I'm afraid so to start out the year. And this is your strategy that scares me because the focus needs to be elsewhere.
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Yeah.
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And this is what I mean about it being ineffective.
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Well said. All right, we got cover at Donnie Tragedy Minneapolis.
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Yeah. An ICE officer yesterday shot and killed a Minneapolis motorist. Her name was Renee Nicole Macklin. Good. Federal officials claim that it was a. They say that it was an act of self defense. Video was taken by bystanders from different vantage points. They show officers approaching her suv, which was stopped across the middle of a road and they were demanding that she opened the door if they grabbed the handle. And the SUV begins to pull forward and different ICE officer stands in front of the car and that officer pulls his weapon and begins firing into the vehicle killing Ms. Good. We're getting conflicting reports from Homeland Security and what the mayor is saying. Homeland Security is saying that again, this was an act of self defense and that her act of driving that vehicle was an act of domestic terrorism. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey blasted Kristi Noem's characterization as garbage and sharply criticized the general deployment of more than 2,000 officers in the Twin Cities.
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So we knew this is not the first time that ICE action has ended in the the death of a human being. This is actually the fourth time. This I think though, is the first time that ICE has actually pulled out their gun and killed an American citizen in one of these situations. I'm not sure that that's happened anywhere else, if I'm wrong about it.
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I don't think so. I didn't see. Right.
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So two things. One, we knew that we would get here. There would not be the level of deployment that we've seen from ICE in American cities and not in. In some sort of death in this way.
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Well, that and we knew we would get here, sadly, because there was a rush to load up as many ICE officers as you could without the proper training, without any of the tools that they need, specifically because they are trained and they're not even getting that type of training. They're trained to guard the border. They're not trained to be in urban cities and to be doing whatever it is that they. That they believe that they're being called to do. And that's part of the problem, too. There's a different type of protocol and training that is for an officer who's going to be within a populated urban city than there is for someone who is there to control the border. And that's also why this, sadly, was inevitable. And we knew that we would end here at some point. And sadly, the way that it is being handled so quickly by the Trump administration and Homeland Security leads me to feel like we will be here again if something does not change as quickly as this was reported and it happened without any proper investigation, without anybody saying, hey, I mean, Tom did eventually, but Kristi Noem, who leads the Department of Homeland Security, immediately jumped out, got in front of a camera and a microphone and said what she believed to have happened without determining what actually happened. And thank God for the person who recorded what. There's several different angles of the video, but for the bystanders that were recording what happened, because otherwise, if they didn't, who knows? Well, not who knows. We know exactly what had been reported, what Kristi Noem said as she took the podium in Texas reporting it. That's the story we would have received if we did not have video to contradict that.
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So a couple of things about the video. Number one, in my opinion, there are two different vantage points from the video, right? One is a blurry vantage point that takes place from, I guess, diagonal to the front of the. Of the vehicle, which shows the. If you watch that video, you can't really see the angle in which this Renee was trying to drive away. If you watch the video, which is in pure Donnie's Showing that one right now. If you watch that video, it looks like she just decided to plow into an officer.
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Yeah.
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Right. The other video is from a more. To me, advantageous vantage point because you can see the angle at which she's driving away. So if you look at this right here, you see them come up. You see it's clear that the officers are there. There's one to her left. She's backing up, and then she's going that way.
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Yeah, she's.
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She's going that way. She's trying to get away from whatever is about to happen to her. She doesn't want to be detained by ice. She's trying to get away.
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Yeah.
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All right. She's killed.
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Can I just say, from that video, like, before you dive in, there are a couple of things, and there's really good breakdowns of showing that she was not trying to do what they're accusing her of. There are. Her reverse lights are on, her wheels are turned a certain way. And that's also. And her. That's just her getting away. But to note also. And again, we don't know specifically what she was thinking or feeling in that moment, but there have been several people who are involved in law enforcement that say in this goes to what I mean about ICE not knowing the proper protocol to be in a big city is approaching the vehicle, lunging into the vehicle from an ICE officer that you see in this, and then putting yourself in front of the vehicle. Law enforcement is saying you're not supposed to put yourself in front of the vehicle, which you see this ICE officer do, or directly behind a moving vehicle. That's not what you're supposed to do, because you're immediately putting yourself in danger. So you're already seeing them do things that are out of protocol in accordance with law enforcement rules.
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So, like you're saying, like a police officer wouldn't have done that, Would not have done that.
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They're not trained to do that. Which shows that these guys did not have the proper training.
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Or perhaps they're operating in exactly the capacity that people want them to.
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Correct. Correct.
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So something else we should say about this. Minnesota is a sanctuary city, and deployments in sanctuary cities for ICE are different than they are in other cities. And it's important that people know this. Like, sanctuary cities have special rules about how they deal with their migrant populations, their undocumented populations. So they limit jail cooperation. Normally, what ICE would want to do is go into jails and get the people out of the jails that they think are undocumented. And then process them and send them back or whatever. But you can't do that in the sanctuary city because they won't let you do it. So that means that ICE has to have more at large rates. What an at large rate is, is a raid at home or a workplace or just on the street. All right? So that means in a sanctuary city like Minneapolis, I think it's Chicago. Let me look it up. It's Minneapolis, St. Paul, I think Chicago, Los Angeles. Give me a couple of other examples of cities where stuff like that, stuff like this has happened. I'm almost sure San Francisco, a couple other places like that. You're gonna see ice. More ICE is gonna be out there. More. They're gonna be more, I think New York as well, they're gonna be more visible. They can't just pick up the people from the jails. They have to go get them out of the community. They also, also in the sanctuary city, the detainers are restricted. You can't have as many. So they flood agents into these regions. Let me tell you what happens. Communities then react and they respond. And the way that they respond is to set up networks in order to help themselves and help the populations of people that might be the target by ice. One of the ways they do it is by having observers out there, like people that observe what ICE is doing in their neighborhoods to make sure that there are no civil rights violations that are happening. It seems as if this lady, Ms. Renee, was one of those observers. It seems as if she was out there to watch ICE with a lot of other people and make sure that ICE wasn't, you know, taking advantage of people, beating them up, detaining them, weren't that, you know, that the warrants were good and all of that stuff. They have all types of information that they give to people intra communally to let them know what they have to do when ICE is there. So in any of the cities that we're talking about, Donnie, give me a list of these sanctuary cities that I'm talking about. In any of the cities that we're talking about, the ice rays that you see are going to be more dramatic and much more dangerous. Remember what happened in Chicago last year where ICE went into an apartment complex, rounded up a bunch of people, a lot of them black. There were reports that they zip tied children during that, took a lot of people out, detained them sometimes for hours during the night, and then let them go while. Because they said that this particular apartment complex was infested with Trende Aragua, right? So what happens is when you have these type of types of converse confrontations with ICE agents in these types of numbers, because they're deploying to cities where they have to use an overwhelming show of force because the people in those cities are going to defend their communities. And the people that they share their communities with, ICE will be, number one, more agitated and number two, more brazen. Because anytime you put someone in a big horde or a big group, they are going to feel more brazen to do shit like this.
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Sure.
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It absolutely heightens the situation. Something you said, you know, this is going to be litigated. We know that the mayor of Minneapolis has already put out a very, you know, strong statement, basically saying, fuck ICE and you need to get the fuck out of our city. Tim Walls, the governor has put out a statement. They're calling for an investigation, an investigation outside of the doj, because they don't trust them and rightfully so. But we're going to see it litigated and people, you know, compare the two videos. In the first video we showed, we'll probably see that circulating around a lot where people are going to say she was radicalized. Oh, she was using her vehicle as a weapon. I mean, Donald Trump put out a horrendous statement where there is no empathy that somebody lost their life. It is a pure justification of why she needed to go. And that's not normal. And if that does not terrify you, then I don't know what will. Because it should be terrifying for two reasons. And one of them you kind of mentioned, but one of them is shooting someone three times at point blank range is not okay and it should not be legitimized. That is what our government is doing. And the second thing is why they're doing it. Because it falls right in line with what is necessary to build. And I always say this word, Ron, an authoritarian government. I did it right?
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You didn't.
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No.
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Authoritarian.
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Authoritarianism.
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She was so proud of herself. Authoritarian. A government full of Stephen King's. A government full of Zora Neale Hurston's.
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I was so I took the time.
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Alice Walker's an authoritarian government.
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Authoritarian.
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A government full of camel.
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Did I say it right? Authoritarian.
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Authoritarian.
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Authoritarian. Thank you so much.
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That's a lot.
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It falls right in line with what is necessary for them to build an authoritarian government and a fascist regime. The way that Kristi Noem one has just sacrificed her sanity and whatever in the name of a uniform, a title and fillers. But also just the way that she stepped out in front of that camera and basically said, they're allowed to do this. And the reason they're allowed to do this is because of this lie. This lie, this lie and this lie is all falls in lines with the steps that you are taking to build a fascist regime through military force, through coercion, through to achieve your political goals. They called this woman, and I can't remember who did it in the administration, a domestic terrorist. The argument could be made that ICE is a domestic terrorist organization. If you look at the definition of what it is to be a domestic terrorist, ICE fits it to a tee, particularly this agent who shot her three times at point blank range. But the way that ICE operates and moves within your city, it is directed terrorism because the goal is political. They're doing it in the name of politics to achieve something. Well, let me actually say the definition right. They're using violence as individuals and as a group within the US to push ideological goals, political and you could argue social against civilians aiming to intimidate, coerce or influence policy without foreign direction. That is ice, what they're doing. And they're going to continue to do it. And that is terrifying. That is scary.
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Wow. Got me all scared. The author Author Government Author Author Bach so just, just, just before we go, before I chime in here, the major cities that are sanctuary cities, just so you guys know, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Denver, Philadelphia, Boston, Portland, Oregon and May, and maybe both Portland's shout out to them. Baltimore, Minneapolis, St. Paul, Oakland, Houston has limited cooperation, not fully sanctuary, but functions similarly. Okay, and then there are some states that have restricted cooperating with ICE statewide. California, Illinois, New Jersey, Oregon, Washington, Vermont, Colorado, New Mexico. All right, Interesting what you just said. Let me tell you why. An American citizen has died at the hands of ice. An American citizen has died at the hands of ICE with ICE operating on faulty legal ground. Do you know what I think about when I think about that?
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What?
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How this year was the execution, but last year was the primer. Let's talk about a couple of cases. If you talk about Kilmar Abrego Garcia and him being sent overseas without due process based upon the interpretation of sort of obscure law, the Alien Enemies Law. Alien Enemies Act. That is for wartime, Right? Specifically for wartime. You look at the Trump administration and their want to interpret that law by saying that there's an invasion across our southern border. So that gives the President war powers or specific powers, direct powers to act in a way against these invaders. Right? Something that's legitimately used for war. I remember Having a conversation with someone. These are the conversations with the people that are the undesirables. I remember having a conversation with someone and them going, well, it could be seen as an invasion. It could be seen as a war. I'm on the phone and I'm like, it's just very important that you don't listen to everything this administration says and think that just because the President and his people are doing it, that there's some merit to it. Because there's an end game here. There's an end game. Okay, let's fast forward a little bit. Then we start to see extrajudicial killings off the coast of Venezuela. Kinetic attacks on boats that we are told have drug dealers on them. We don't know who the drug dealers are. We don't know where they're coming from or really where they're going. We know that Trump and Marco Rubio and Pete Hexseth say that they are narco terrorists. That's all they have to say. Bomb them, kill them, double tap them. We have designated these people narco terrorists. So because we have done that and we have the power to say whoever is a narco terrorist is a narco terrorist without showing you guys any evidence, we can kill them. Fast forward now. We're on American soil. We're here on American soil, and a woman who is an American citizen. I'm not saying that American citizen's life is more important than the life of Kilmar Abrego Garcia or of any of the people that were in those boats. But I'm saying now it's in your neighborhood. It's in your neighborhood. They say she's a terrorist, so they kill her. They used last year as proof of concept that they could do what they wanted to do. Give flimsy and faulty legal justification for it, and that all we would do was debate it on the Saturday shows and the Sunday shows and the Nightly shows, that we would accept the killing of people who Trump says he has to kill. And now they're going to ask you to do it in this case. And the question is whether you're going to do it or not.
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Right?
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They're going to ask you in this case right now to say, you know what? We said that that lady's a terrorist. We said that she was trying to hit that person. We said she had to go. She's got to go. I'm telling you guys right now, where this ends up, this ends up with the Crips and the Bloods being designated domestic terrorists. This ends up with Black Lives Matter being designated domestic terrorists. This ends up in a place where the government says, you know what? This group is at cross purposes with American ideals. We can point to this many criminals in this group. We can point to how they misappropriate funds this way or how they do this. And what we can do is bomb them or send people to get them with no due process, wherever we want, whenever we want. And if you are acquiescing to that, you're making sure that more things like this happen. I hit a lot of people that I knew. Some of them Trump supporters, I hit some of the Trump supporters, I hit some of the undesirables down there. Hit one of them. And, and, and one of them was like, I don't know, man, that was tough. Like, I'm not laughing or making light of this. This is one of my most die hard. I known him for a long time. I even know he was whatever this guy. I know. I'm sorry, guys. You guys. You guys gonna be upset with me. This guy know. I know he's a good basketball player. He actually shoots the deep three. He. It's like, it's kind of. He's like, nah, this was hard. He was like, even if there was a world where you could justify the first shot, he goes, that second, third shot.
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Yeah.
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Or just like. He was like, even if you could justify the first shot, which he's like, I don't think that you can. He's like, that second and third shot, you just can't justify it. And he was like, I don't think they're gonna get the reaction from this that they wanted. Like my. I don't think that they are. I'm not sure he's right. I'm not sure he's right.
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I don't think the, the Trump administration is going to get.
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I don't. He says, I don't think they're going to get the reaction from this one that I think that they are. And it's going to be very important. I tell you what's going to be important here. What's going to be important here is how your podcast bros react to this. Rogan flagrant, Theo Vaughan. Name me some other motherfuckers. Tim Dillon. Tim Dillon, basically a socialist. Now, Tim Dillon said, fuck it, like. But how they respond to this, whether or not those people who, let's face it, are thought leaders or thought leaders in that space, how they respond to it is going to be really important to see how the regular average American white boy responds to this killing in Minnesota.
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It's interesting. Yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly. It's also going to, I'm interested to see, are we already at a point where this is normalized, where this kind of force, this kind of aggression, this kind of violence at the hands of, I can't call them police, but agents, government agents, is normalized. Like, are we going to move about in our daily lives and move on with the news cycle as if it's just another day? And this is just what the Trump administration does. I think that's also gonna be really important because I keep going back to how quickly Kristi Noem stepped in front of a camera and a microphone, because what's so effective, I think, in what they do, one, the quickness of it, but also the narrative over evidence. They are so quick to establish a certain narrative that people will quickly see and run with, and that's the first information that they get. And then they get distracted and move on to the next thing. With this type of regime, with this type of government, narrative is more important than evidence. Because what did they immediately get out there and say? This officer was acting in self defense. This officer was there trying to protect the people. There was a huge crowd. This woman was radicalized. This woman was a domestic terrorist. Then evidence becomes secondary. An investigation takes time. They're going to have to talk to people, they're going to have to interview people, they're going to have to look at the scene. They're going to. That takes time. Will people move on with the first narrative that they were given or will they wait for the evidence to show otherwise? That's what's gonna be really key here because that's so quickly what happens and that's what's so scary. And then we normalize. It happens. And then it happens again and we're like, remember what happened on January 7, 2025? They were just planting seeds. And I'll go further. It'll be the Crips, it'll be the Bloods, it'll be Black Lives Matter, it'll be the akas, it will be TV networks, which we've already kind of see. And then it'll be.
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It'll be, damn, you think they're gonna bomb Netflix?
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It. It will. It will be voices. It will be individual voices. It will be social. It will be social media pages. It will be. They. Where will they stop? It'll be a slope. Nowhere.
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I mean, they. They did that after Charlie Kirk. They did that after Charlie Kirk. Now Erica Kirk doing stand up. Did you see it?
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Is she doing Santa?
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Yeah, she got a Netflix special coming out.
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Stop it.
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You didn't see that?
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I'm not. No, there's.
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B
Erica Kirk has the Netflix special coming out. It's called Erica Kirk all on My Own.
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There's no way. There's no way.
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Am I tripping. Y' all did not see this. Erica Kirk has a stand up special coming out. Erica Kirk.
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And Netflix is doing all on My Own. Yeah, Netflix is not cbs, not Paramount.
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She coming out on Netflix. She comes out there, she's got a sweater on. She got a little booze.
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No, no, that's not how she comes out.
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B
What?
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You know, she comes out shaking that ass. No, with the pyrotech.
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B
Okay.
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Yeah, she's got it. Have you not seen all that, like swinging the swing again? The pirate like. No, Erica.
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Erica come out there and then Nikki gonna. Nikki gonna come in in the middle.
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She'll be the opening act.
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Do the opening act. Why did Nikki sign up for the chitlin circuit? I can tell y' all something right now. It's like the MAGA entertainers. That's the chitlin circuit. It is. That's the chitlin circuit. You. If. If you are, okay, because there's gonna be more y' all this year. I think we're gonna see a lot of entertainers that we think used to be semi down, go and do the MAGA thing. I think I just want y' all let y' all know.
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Why would you think now? Because we've already been seeing it.
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I know, but I just think. I think I. I think it's a way. When we didn't. When somebody's been turned off, it's just a instant way to get attention. It's just an instant way to get attention.
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People in mind.
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I might make a list. Okay, I might make a list of people that I think. But just let y' all know.
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A
We haven't had a valet 10 in a while.
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There's a watch list of people that could go maga. It's a watch list. I got one. I'll tell you guys, that's a chitlin circuit. Just let y' all know. All right, Y' all gonna be on stage with Kiss now. Shout out to. Shout out to. I guess Kiss was cool, but y' all gonna be on stage with Kiss now. It's a chilling circuit. So.
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Kid Rock.
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Kid Rock. We haven't. We haven't given a about anything he's done in a long time. This is facts.
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We.
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We haven't given a. We started for sure.
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Decades.
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We started looking at Kid Rock. When Kid Rock first went country, we was like, okay, this sounds okay, but what are you trying to say? Kid Rock, what are you doing? This is not by with a bottom. And then I remember, I, I, he forgot the words. Go back and look this up. This is when I knew Kid Rock was fake. So Jay z did the BET Awards and he did 99 problems. I want everybody to go back and look this up. This is how you knew Kid Rock didn't take black culture seriously. Jay Z did 99 problems and he had Kid Rock on stage to be the voice of the cops in 99 problems. Hov casted this correctly, he could already see the future. Kid Rock forgot the words. Go back and look it, look it up. Kid Rock forgot the words. Like all you have to say. What did he say in 99 problems? Are you a lawyer or something? That's all you gotta say. And Kid Rock couldn't say, what are they saying? I can't remember. But Jay Z was, Jay Z was being cool. Look at my performance. It's like Kid Rock not one of us reality shows. Donnie.
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Yeah. Spencer Pratt, he announced that he's running for mayor. He lost his home in that Palisades fire and he announced his campaign at the they Let Us Burn event in the Katoo Palisades.
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A
What?
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On the one year anniversary of the fire.
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That's what he announced. He announced his campaign at the what?
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What?
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They let us burn.
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Hold on for a second, man. First of all, I'm not about to make light of that. Because if you take your car right now and you drive on Sunset by the Palisades, it legitimately looks apocalyptic. A whole neighborhood and community reduce to fucking rubble like Nino said in New Jack City. So there is nothing funny about that. But they let us burn is that, that's, that's how they feel though, that whole community of people up there. Everyone that I know had a home. Everyone that I know had other homes. Because you know, if you live in the Palisades, you have one home, but you might just have two. So it, everybody up there, they feel abandoned. They feel orphaned by the city.
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They do, yeah, yeah. They let us burn is crazy. When I saw this, that he was running, I did not know that there was an event. There's a website even for this. This is actually a movement, I guess. I was shocked to hear that Spencer Pratt decided to run for mayor. I know that he's been very vocal and very critical with the governor and the mayor of la, and I'm not gonna lie that. But obviously he lost everything and his family did and so many other people did. And there should be an awareness that is brought to what happened as they continue to heal and rebuild. But it is interesting that Karen Bass, who is also running for reelection, said that there are people who are profiting off of this. And she's referring to the fires, to the they Let Us Burn rally. She said that they are intentionally profiting from social media, book deals, et cetera. And this is a time that we need. It needs to be about healing and moving forward and getting the community back. When you hear that statement that Karen Bass made and you think about Spencer Pratt, I don't know if you know this also, but they started doing a podcast and they do it from the lot where their house used to live.
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B
Spencer and Heidi, they were doing a podcast already. I was on it, yes.
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A
But I started on podcast. They're not here anymore.
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B
Okay. Damn.
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But they did a new podcast and they film it in the rubble.
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Yeah.
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When you. Spencer Pratt, obviously, for all the reasons we said, has, you know, been passionate about the fires and what happened, particularly in the Palisades. Don't really hear him talk about Altadena. But you can't run for office based on one cause, in my opinion. And I. And, you know, he's within his right to fill us, whatever he does about the powers that be that run this city in this state. But that is not enough alone to. For you to decide to run off your hate and off of one issue. And like I said, he lives from the. He is in the Palisades. But there was more than one fire that happened within Los Angeles, and I do not hear him fighting in the same way for Altadena.
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Yeah. So, you know, should I put this. A couple of things. I've done a lot of work. I worked the stories today. I worked the stories today. So I asked a lot of people just around here how they feel about Karen Bass. And, you know, a lot of Angelenos here, transplants and, you know, homegrown Angelenos. And the answer that they gave me was either non committal or I don't like her. And I was just the straw pole that I did around here at. At Spotify. Non committal. So whether or not Mayor Bass has a bright future running this city, like, we'll see. There were people that criticized her response to the fires. I think criticizing her for not being in town when they happened is a stretch.
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Yeah.
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Okay. The conditions were bad. But people leave town when the conditions are bad all the time. I don't know if there was anything that demonstrated that a fire of that magnitude or in a fire of any magnitude was imminent to the. And so criticizing her for that, it's a stretch, but people have criticisms about the infrastructure, about the way things handled, about whether or not anybody cared. I know people that lost homes, that want the state and local government to get involved in the way the insurance companies are acting, for sure.
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A
And that's a very valid claim.
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Right. So, you know, if Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass, I know that they're doing some things. If they could be super aggressive with making sure that the insurance companies whose. Whose job it is to make these people whole because of a natural disaster and how they're jerking these people around and not paying. In Altadena and in the Palisades. The Palisades people tend to have more means than the people in Altadena have. Right.
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A
Or even canceled insurance policies prior to these fires.
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B
Right. I know one family that's went all over the western United States trying to find some semblance of who they were. I mean, they've tried the Pacific Northwest. All places they lost their home. Their lives have been completely reset. That being what it is, I'll say this. I, as you guys know, live through Hurricane Katrina. I will tell Spencer and Heidi this. I'm not so sure that I agree that you can't run off one issue. I understand what you're saying.
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It wouldn't be enough for my vote.
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Right. I think that if you were going to run off one issue and it was smart, you could make the fire the mascot of what you think is the inefficiency or structural weakness of LA city and county government. You could say, let me tell you how this fire shows everyone that we don't have the right things in place to protect citizens of this city. You could do that. That. Tell you one thing, though. I live through Hurricane Katrina, I live through it. There's a special place in hell, a special place for people that profiteer off that type of despair.
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For sure.
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A special place. If there is any part of anyone, Spencer, Heidi, anybody that is using a fire that devastates to promote their own personal brand, then you are a piece of. I cannot make that determination, of course, because I do not know why people are doing things. But what I do know is that there were people in South Louisiana who we knew. I'm not talking about people that were doing some other stuff because, you know, some of that stuff I Was like, you know, is the government get the money? But I'm taught there are some people who use the hurricane to push and promote their personal brand. And once that was found out and easily provable, those people were pariahs in both Baton Rouge and New Orleans. Once people got a sense that you're using this type of suffering to come up and push something that you want to do, those people became pariahs. So whatever you're doing, whatever you're running from, I'm not running for. I'm not going to tell you what politics to have. I'm not going to tell you. Who knows? There's a bunch of people getting in the race. There's some Democrats getting in the race. People are waiting to see if Caruso is going to get in the race. Karen Bass is going to be fighting for her life to be.
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A
She did the last time.
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She did the last time to. To. To be the mayor of Los Angeles. There's going to be a lot of people that come in and try to use this issue and some other things to end her tenure as the mayor. But if, in fact, I can't tell anyone who's experienced this type of profound tragedy how to react and respond to it. But if it's not genuine and people find out it's not genuine, they're never gonna look at you the same. And I have experience with it. People are gonna then take you and use you as the mascot of the terrible American that profiteers or pushes their career forward. This ain't no reality show, right, Based upon a lot of suffering that people went through. So, you know, just. Just be careful. I can't tell him not to run for merit. I don't know if he's. You know, once you run for Mary, run for me. You should run.
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A
Oh, no.
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Oh, big. Big dicks have entered the chat.
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A
I knew you'd love this story.
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B
The big ones.
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A
Wagons.
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C
Let's talk about big penis. Matt Khalil.
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B
Say the word dick. Donnie, say dick. Donnie.
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A
Donnie, you know, you say what you want to say.
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C
Dicks. You said tits. Dicks. Big dicks.
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Tits, dicks, Dicks. Say it. Donnie, say dick.
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A
Donnie. Donnie. Donnie.
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Donnie, say cock.
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No, I'm black.
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Max Khalil is suing his ex wife, Haley. Haley Bailey, I believe her name is pronounced. Yeah, she was talking about his penis size on a Twitter. He's suing her for what she said. This is what she said. Like.
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A
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
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B
No, I know what you're saying, but, like, for life, for how long?
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A
Oh, no. She said shut the up. Shut the up. No dead ass. Up. Dead ass.
- [65:25]
B
Shut the up.
- [65:27]
A
I was gonna try it off.
- [65:29]
B
Yeah.
- [65:30]
A
Therapist doctors.
- [65:31]
B
You're lying.
- [65:33]
A
I even lied. Looked up like, lipos type.
- [65:37]
B
You know what I mean?
- [65:39]
A
What? What the. That's why it's like, not trigger. It's like, kind of funny. It's like my life is a comedy and it writes itself.
- [65:46]
B
But, like.
- [65:46]
D
Okay, okay.
- [65:48]
B
I don't want to.
- [65:48]
D
Like, was this, like, was that the.
- [65:51]
B
That was the biggest factor?
- [65:52]
A
The biggest factor? Yes.
- [65:54]
B
Oh, my God. But no chance.
- [65:57]
D
Like, no shot.
- [65:59]
A
No, because he was like. He, like.
- [66:01]
C
Like, yeah.
- [66:02]
A
Like, he's like 0.01% of the population. Oh, it's like that.
- [66:06]
B
You try, though.
- [66:07]
A
Oh, yeah, of course. Of course we tried.
- [66:09]
C
Impossible.
- [66:10]
A
Like, unless it. You know, you're gonna be in tears. She went on in that stream to say that it was the size of two Cokebot. Two Coke cans, maybe a third.
- [66:20]
B
Jesus Christ.
- [66:21]
A
She said 0.001%.
- [66:24]
B
Matt. Breaking stereotypes, man.
- [66:26]
A
But Matt doesn't like it, right? Matt clearly doesn't like that she is speaking on behalf of his penis size penis pie. Now, this happened back in November, As Donnie said, 2025. I remember hearing about it or, like, seeing it in passing, but I didn't dwell on it. I just was kind of like, oh, okay. But now that he has gone on to file a lawsuit, I feel like this brings way more attention to. To a story that really did get that much traction to now where everybody is talking about it and it feels. And she goes on, she goes on to say, like, since he has filed this lawsuit, she has said that people took apart this one clip, this one thing. Of course they did. And she knew what she was doing. She's an influencer. She's about making viral moments instead of paying attention. She says to the entirety of her conversation where she talks about how he was such a good guy, they grew together, everything was so great, you know, they just couldn't get past this issue. She talks about how they're still good friends and he is married now. And I think he. I believe he might have a child with his new wife. But she goes on to praise him and talk about how great of a guy he is. He goes on to sue her after this. And I couldn't find the exact lawsuit, but I believe the. What he is claiming is an invasion of privacy for what he is calling degrading and deeply personal comments. He goes on to say that it was unwanted attention and an invasive commentary from the Public. And he goes on to say in the lawsuit that she has been able to profit off of this, while this has left him embarrassed and negatively affected him, his wife, on social media and all of this. Your thoughts.
- [68:23]
B
About the lawsuit?
- [68:24]
A
About, like, I don't want to. I. If I had to assume right, and this is. And I'm going to go ahead and say that assuming here is wrong, I would. I would think that men brag about this kind of thing and that he would be peacocking while his wife is talking about how big he is. It's actually shocking to me. And again, I'll say that that can be wrong for me to do that. That's just, I guess, a stereotype that I would think that men would be so proud of this. And instead, he's embarrassed, which is. It goes against, I guess, what the stereotype that I thought men would feel about this. And I'm curious as to your thoughts. Again, not all men are the same. Some people don't like this type of attention. Some people do. But he is going as far as to suing her, requesting a jury trial and saying that the damages are over $75,000. That's what he is requesting because she commented on his penis size and said it was too big for her to handle and it destroyed their marriage.
- [69:36]
B
So I'm gonna get to my analysis of what's happening here in a second. But before I do, I just gotta think about this comedic aspect of his life. What if his whole life, this has been the one thing that he has been ashamed of?
- [69:50]
A
It might be.
- [69:51]
B
What if, like, he's 12, 13. Everybody's like, oh, here comes big cock mad again. We hate you. Look at you. Everybody else in the fucking locker rooms got the little tiny whangers, little tiny wang hangers, right? And they're like, we can't. And he's just, like, looking in the mirror like, Jesus Christ. God. Why did you curse me with this? Ginormous. No one understands me. No one understands me. He's like, tucking it beside using one ball to, like, make a little bowl. Jesus. Like, this is his. What if this is his cross to bear and he gets with her?
- [70:29]
A
That's fair.
- [70:30]
B
He, like, he shows her. It's like, I'm a little embarrassed about it. She thinks she maybe she likes a teeny wanger, right? She thinks she's gonna get the teeny Winger. All of a sudden. This is Mandingo, Jack Napier, whoever you want to call them. This might be something that's really deep. That's a funny story. Because it really doesn't exist, right? Like it doesn't exist to your point. I'm gonna be real with you. It doesn't exist. Normally. You. You. You slanging it like that. You find a reason to bring it up. Like you'll be playing basketball with somebody and somebody hit the. The last shot of the game. Game. Big dicks. And you'll be like, game What? Yeah, nigga. Nine soft, 13 hard. I'll show you. Nah, bro. You okay. You going out there, you. You get. You get your meal from McDonald. Order 3, 4, 5, 6. Big cock. Benny, this is. You got your food is ready. Yeah, that's me. I'm Bigcock, Benny, everyone. You're like, yeah, but no, you don't see this. You don't see a guy that's about this. I think this is something else here.
- [71:38]
A
It's gotta be.
- [71:39]
B
But he's basically saying, don't speak on me. He's saying.
- [71:42]
A
He.
- [71:42]
B
He's saying. He's saying, don't speak on me. He says, I don't want you to speak on me. This has nothing to do with the dick thing. Because, I mean, I guess you could say, what if she would have said, Being that this is taken as a positive, what if she would have said this guy was the greatest guy ever?
- [71:59]
A
Or, like, great and bad?
- [72:00]
B
Well, not even great and bad, just great. Like he's a light sleeper or whatever. She did kind of use this as something that was a little pejorative, meaning that it was the thing that ended their marriage. She is talking about his body. So if you were a little bit out of the. I guess, normal male, as I see it, you could look at this and be like, hey, this is an invasion of privacy. I want everybody talking about my dick. Certainly if he was somewhere saying, hey, man, I'm not gonna lie, I couldn't stay with her because the pussy was too good. It's too good. I just. I was obsessed with it and all of that stuff like that. The structures are different. But most people would say, you shouldn't be speaking on somebody you're not with like that anymore.
- [72:44]
A
It just feels contradictory in the sense. And that's why I think it's something more. Because if you don't want attention. Nobody was talking about it. This. I'm sure they were. Right. Because I saw it when it happened.
- [72:55]
B
But now you saw it?
- [72:57]
A
I saw the story.
- [72:59]
B
Oh, shit. I was about to say what the fuck is too.
- [73:01]
A
But I wouldn't be shocked if now people are trying to. Like, they're looking at Him. They're looking at pictures, they're trying to zoom in. Like, now it has blown up to something even bigger. And if what you didn't want was unwanted attention and an invasion of your privacy, you're bringing more attention to it. And the reason I said at the top of the show, I was like, this kind of stuff is scary because even her attorney is saying he is dramatically. The jokes write themselves. He's seeking to dramatically expand the existing law and establishing damaging new precedent. And I think that's the thing. She is an influencer. She talks on social platforms. She's front of camera in what she does. If you silence someone for something like this. Right. Defamation. That's why you can't sue for defamations. That means not defamatory. Yeah. Like, that's one thing. Right. But for someone to just speak about their experience with a significant other, a friendship, you know, and they're not. And they don't have an NDA, so a business, whatever it may be, working relationship, for you to say, actually that's an invasion of privacy or you're not allowed to do that, it's kind of raising a First Amendment concern here. It's a slippery slope. It's like, the point is, it's about. It might check her to where she won't say anything else. And maybe that's his purpose. Right. It's to scare her. He may drop it. They may settle this outside of it. But it is scary, you know? And I said, this makes me think of my own situation. If. If I talk about my experience on this podcast, if I do someone else's podcast, if I write a book, are you going to try to use the legal system to bully me on a bogus, frivolous claim? Even if I get it dismissed on that. Right. I still have to spend the money to retain an attorney. I still have to fight this in the court of public opinion and in a legal. In the legal system. It's just. It's just petty to me. This situation feels very petty to me. And I don't want to minimize how he may feel. I just feel like you're bringing even more attention to a situation that you claim you don't want any attention from.
- [75:12]
B
So this is what I'll say. He's doing two things. Number one, by filing this lawsuit, he does bring more attention to the fact that he's got an Oregon, Oregon Trail cock wagon. Right? Right. It's a covered wagon capable of going from sea to shining sea. Right. He's. He's letting people know that but he's also. Don't speak on me. Yeah, you got your little streaming career, your little streaming career. Shout out to her. I don't know how big her streaming career is.
- [75:41]
A
Nah, she's a pretty big influencer.
- [75:43]
B
You got your, you got your career. Go have your career and have your career. Don't speak on me. I don't know if a lawsuit like this holds up, but this is essentially saying don't use our relationship, particularly my body, as part of the narrative that you are going to spend in your career. You would know better than I do whether or not that's legal, whether or not it's petty. It's not something that I would do. Right. Because to me, you know, you get into that type of talk, you're in a relationship with somebody, they have their own experience, they can tell whatever they want to tell, say whatever they want to say. As long as it's not fake or as long as it's not. I guess, I guess there are things that would be more intrusive than this. To me, this wouldn't really bother me, but I do know that there are people that it would bother.
- [76:37]
A
Yeah, it may bother him. I totally understand that. I do think that this is a real reach when it comes to the law of invasion of privacy. But it's a dick cock. Well, what you have to prove. Right. And I don't know what state that she's in, but I believe in California it has a lot to do with whether or not you recorded somebody without their consent. Like that's usually what it falls under.
- [77:02]
B
Oh, you talking about the specific invasion of privacy thing?
- [77:04]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [77:05]
B
That doesn't cover. So does evasion of privacy. You're saying it doesn't cover stuff that people can say about you?
- [77:12]
A
Not that I am aware of. But I don't also know what state this is because I, like you couldn't access this lawsuit. I don't know what state this is. I don't know if the laws are different in a, in another state, but not that, that I'm aware of that you know that you're able to do that. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's a reach for him to be able to do this.
- [77:31]
B
How far does it reach?
- [77:32]
A
And he's also saying that she profited. She. He's also saying that she profited off of it and she didn't write a book, she's not selling pictures or videos of you. So I think it's going to be really hard to say, oh, because more people watched the Stream. It's not even her stream. That she actually made money off of it. That she got viewers that that turned into something. She got a lot of likes that. That turned into money. That's gonna be really hard to prove that she made money off of this Comment.
- [78:01]
B
Could the settlement here be no money. Don't speak. Don't speak on me no more.
- [78:06]
A
Should have done that in the first place.
- [78:07]
B
Yeah, maybe you didn't want.
- [78:08]
A
I didn't sign one.
- [78:09]
B
You signed an NDA. You ready? Cash. Your question. How much of this is because of. Maybe you want to get your shit off and you don't want to be.
- [78:15]
A
Well, no. When I saw the 100%. When I saw this. Well, let's not. Let's be honest. I've dealt with a lot of petty stuff and particularly lies. My divorce was very messy, so I would not be shocked if something like this happens. For sure.
- [78:34]
B
Right?
- [78:35]
C
Interesting.
- [78:35]
A
And I saw this, and I was like, wow, this could really be a president center.
- [78:39]
B
You can find yourself.
- [78:40]
A
I don't. I can't see it happening by any means. Especially in a California tough.
- [78:45]
B
You know what? I did notice before we move on from this play, play her sound once again. Donnie, Like. Yeah, yeah, No, I know what you're saying, but, like, for life. How long?
- [78:58]
A
Oh, no.
- [78:59]
B
Shut the up.
- [79:00]
A
Her whole marriage. Shut the up.
- [79:01]
B
No.
- [79:01]
A
Dead ass. Dead ass.
- [79:03]
B
Shut the upper.
- [79:04]
A
I was gonna try it all.
- [79:06]
B
Yeah.
- [79:07]
A
Therapist, doctors.
- [79:09]
B
Johnny, pause it. That man's dick ain't why they broke up. Dead ass. Dead ass. Dead ass. That's not why. She wasn't really at home. She wasn't really at home.
- [79:21]
A
I've never heard her talk. I've seen her stories. I've never heard her talk like that.
- [79:25]
B
She wasn't really at home.
- [79:26]
A
I've never heard her talk like that, though.
- [79:28]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [79:28]
A
She was meeting the moment she knew.
- [79:30]
B
Exactly how to talk when she was in the right situation. She wasn't at home. She gonna find. Watch.
- [79:37]
A
You know how people say that they change their voices when they're in certain conversations? I've seen her videos. She don't talk like that. That's the first thing I noticed.
- [79:45]
B
Yeah, she doesn't talk like that. She talked like that to him. I can smell it. I can smell it. She. She wasn't really at home. Watch her and Jason Derulo popping out this year. Anyway, Donnie, this one is. This one pulls at the heartstrings. Oh, this one does pull up the heartstrings. I know this guy, Donnie.
- [80:01]
C
Yeah. Comedian Chris Redd, he posted an Emotional Instagram video recently where he talked about his time at Saturday Night Live, mentioned his substance abuse issues, and also addressed long rumored tension surrounding his relationship with Christina Evangeline, who is the ex wife of Keenan Thompson. Let's hear from Chris.
- [80:22]
D
What's going on, y'?
- [80:22]
C
All?
- [80:23]
D
You know, I'm not really one for resolutions or nothing like that, but I do have one that I'm gonna be leading with a lot more vulnerability and openness in my work, in my life, whether it's here on the Internet, you know, all my platforms, and, or if it's in, if it's on that stage, you know, and in order to do that, I gotta really do that. So I wanted to address something that's, that's kind of this, I guess, been around for a long time, about four or five years now. And. But, you know, I've never addressed it. I know a lot of people talk about me dating Kenny Thompson's ex wife and how that came to be, you know, and, And I'm gonna just tell it to you straight, man. It wasn't no plan. I, I, you know, I, I saw everything that everybody said. Every single thing that everybody said, I saw it, you know, and bottom line is I'm not the type of person to scheme on a person. I'm not the type of person to even date somebody that, that, like, one of my homies has dated. You know, this is a very unique, nuanced thing that happened. You know, we were all cool. You know, there was nothing. I was never, like, hitting on. It was never nothing crazy until it got crazy, you know, bottom line is I, I, you know, while I was at the show, I had some pill issues, you know, I, Some pill problems. Nothing, Nothing too crazy, but crazy for my black ass, you know, And I was even selling some to, to the people, so some of my cast mates, I won't, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna snitch on y', all, man. But it was really funny to me that, like, I would be around have, I would be around on this, and people would talk about it and buy and talk about me, and I would hear them because, you know, some of that Adderall got y', all, that got you super hearing and, but wouldn't, like, help me, you know, I have panic attacks. Wouldn't, like, be concerned about me or nothing. Just would talk, you know, and it was crazy how somebody would watch you destroy yourself, you know, this lady was the only one to, to call me on my, Help me with my. She helped me with my therapy journey, you know, and she told me things about her life, life that made me look at a lot of people involved in it differently, you know, and in that time, we fell in love, man, and, and, and I, and I felt bad from the start. It's always felt like an emotional, double edged sword for me because I really love everything me and Keenan did, bro. I really appreciated every piece of work that we put together. I think that we were a great team. And I hate doing something to, to somebody that I know would hurt them, no matter who they are, no matter what they've done, you know, that's just not how I'm built. Like, I'm not built like that. I'm it all, you know, But I did choose love. And, and that's, and that's what this story is. And, you know, it made me look terrible. You know, it made me look terrible to people that I love and, you know, a lot of my fans. So I didn't know how to do this without doing this. I'm in therapy. So, like, ever since I figured out that I'm like, I'm more sad than angry, all my anger issues have turned into tears. Like, it's crazy, bro.
- [83:42]
B
But so obviously you saw him getting very emotional there. He then, after this video was posted, started going back and forth with people in the comment section. He says, I go, well, he said, I can't go back and forth with everyone. Every mean message that I get. I understand you, Chris, but the home record narrative just isn't true. Regardless of what you may feel about the situation, cheating was never the case. They weren't together and had not been for years. When we started not taking anything away, I said, but I felt this needed some clarification, man.
- [84:13]
A
Are they still together?
- [84:14]
B
They are still together. That like, I spoke with him this morning. I know Chris for a little while, not crazy close friends, but two guys that have tapped out and checked on each other and talked about different things and all of that stuff. And so I, I talked to him this morning. I just wanted to see if he was okay. And you know what the funny thing is? The funny thing is that I feel like we're at similar points in our life where it's not as if you want people's understanding of you, but you do want to be able to move authentically as who you are. And sometimes in real time, you have to talk through decisions that you've made about yourself and things that you've done and ways that you've disappointed people, disappointed yourself, but also Sometimes you just have to say, fuck it. This is me. And that's a hard thing to do. It's a difficult thing to do, to be like, you know what? This situation is not quite right as far as societally or culturally. I understand that this is looked down on or that somebody like me might be looked down on, and. But this is me. This is who I am. And anytime you do that, like, particularly as a man, a dam always breaks. Like a dam always breaks. Anytime you stand, you try to stand in truth and authenticity, especially if when you look at yourself, you see a lot wrong, you see a lot of bad, you see a lot of people that you've hurt, because you can go from day to day, month to month, year to year, trying to rack up wins and never see the trauma that you're causing or never see the things that you. You've done or the stuff that you're running away from. And then as soon as you see it all for a second, it's, like, debilitating. So, like, you know, obviously know him a little bit. So I responded in kind. Call them up, see what's up. But at the same time, you know, I. I get that that's not going to be something that people are gonna say is okay or understand, but I get where he's coming from, the being with your friends, being with your friend's ex.
- [86:22]
A
Did he say why he decided to put out a video?
- [86:27]
B
Yeah, he told me. I mean, it's pretty much in the video. He told me he decided to put out the video because I personally think he wants to. We talked about. He wants to turn a. Turn a page in his life. He wants people to have clarity on that. And maybe it's an albatross that's hanging over him if, in fact, there's no.
- [86:52]
A
Clarity out there, because he really didn't. When it was reported that he was dating Kenan's ex wife there really. I don't remember him really speaking on it. I felt like they. The only thing that was really announced is that they had. They were divorced, and they had been separated for a couple of years, even before the divorce was filed or. And finalized. That was it. And then it seems like that's why I asked, are they even still together? It just seems like you talk about.
- [87:21]
B
Chris like Chris and the lady are still together. Right.
- [87:23]
A
But that's why I asked if they were still together. Cause I'm saying there hasn't been much attention around it other than the fight, the divorce. Something must have come out from their side saying that she had been separate. They had been separated a few years before the divorce was finalized. But I haven't really seen anything was. I don't know what. I've never been in that situation before. You know, I know he explains it to how it turned in from friendship to falling in love. I've never been in it. I'm not. I can't say that I'm above it. But what made me sad is that he seems like he lost. He chose love and lost a lot, like friendships, maybe even affected his career in certain ways that I would imagine. He and Kenan, not just on Saturday Night Live, he was on Kenan's show. Like, they were obviously very close. I don't know what. Why they divorced. I don't know any of that. Because he makes a comment where he says she helped him. But he learned certain things almost like a. I learned that maybe he learned something about Kenan or their marriage. There's a comment that he makes there.
- [88:28]
B
Yeah, that don't matter.
- [88:30]
A
But I'm just saying. I'm just saying. He said that. I'm not. I was like, I did note that you kind of threw that in there.
- [88:37]
B
Just a little bit that you want to stay away from. Whatever happened in they marriage is what happened in they marriage.
- [88:41]
A
But I did note it. I just want to say. I was like, okay, maybe don't say that part. But it was sad to see. For me to see him feel the need to go on social media and for whatever reason, he wanted to speak his piece and then feel like he needed to defend that in the comments. I would have wished that he could have. For whatever reason, he needed to say what he needed to say, get that off his chest because he hasn't really spoken about it, and then continue to move on. And, you know, instead it's like he. I'm not sure that it was great for maybe his mental health to have to argue and continue to prove himself to people. Because as we know, doing this thing, people are you. You're beating a dead horse trying to prove yourself to people. People are going to make up their minds and think what they want to think. If you want to say something to make yourself feel better, great. Or that you feel like you need to do that to move, to turn a corner, great. But trying to win favor with the public, that's more than likely going to be a losing battle. And you could see him getting emotional over all that. And that's sad to watch.
- [89:45]
B
This is like, you know, messy shit happens. Messy shit happens. Now, look, this Is one of the. This is one of the ones that is really. This is one of the ones that get volleyball more than anything because, you know, the Lee Majors. Have I talked about the Lee Major situation before?
- [90:05]
A
Yes.
- [90:05]
B
So that's always so fascinating to me if you guys don't know the story. Quick version. Lee Majors, like. Federal prosecutors are investigating Letitia James and her hairdresser now. Now, not gonna stop coming at her till they get it. No, we're gonna have more on that on Monday. Just broke. New York Times just saw it. Not gonna. Not gonna stop investigating until they get her. But like, you know, Lee Majors as Ryan o', Neal, who is his friend at the time to take, I guess his wife at the time, Farah Fawcett, out on the town. Lee Majors got to go shoot a movie somewhere else. He asked Ryan o' Neal to hang out with his wife. They hang out and they fall in love and Lee Majors is fucking out of here. And Ryan o' Neill and Farrah Fawcett are together until Farrah Fawcett dies. Obviously, it's a fucked up situation. In your opinion, does the length of that relationship and the fact that they seem to be each other's one true love in any way change the perception of the fact that the two people were friends before? Does.
- [91:10]
A
Oh, no, it's messed up.
- [91:11]
B
Does it? But does it. Does it soften the blow if in fact these people. If your one true love. Anybody can answer. If your one true love is with or was with one of your one true friends, does it change things?
- [91:27]
A
Well, that means you have to believe that you can. Strong. Yes.
- [91:32]
B
Who says that?
- [91:35]
A
Bernard. Speak up.
- [91:36]
B
Speak up, Bernard. I want everybody's opinions. Donnie, too. Does it change the situation? Not just. Not just talking about you sneaking around, but this person. The feeling is so strong.
- [91:52]
A
So the. So to take your example, you have to. That means you have to believe that that was her one true love. That would assume. Yeah. That you can only have one love. You don't know that she could have lived and had a great life with Lee Majors until the very end. You never know. But I am a person who believes that you can, based on time and situations and where you are in your lives, that you can have more than one love. I believe that. Okay. But for me, just to know your best friend, hey, like, that's a tough pill to swallow. I would think you'd always been looking at her. Maybe she was always looking at you. It's not a fairy tale to me. That's a.
- [92:38]
B
It's. It's Come on, man. We all know that. That's. That's the whole reason for having friends is to. But at the same time, shit happens. And like, yeah, it happens. At the same time, shit happens. And the question is, if this was the one true love of yours, would you pass up on that one true love because of the friendship code? Is the friendship code what's more important? The friendship code or I'm gonna be happy with my one true love code?
- [93:04]
A
I cannot imagine losing. And again, I may not be above it. I said that at the beginning of this. I just couldn't imagine losing one of my best friends who, you know, has been there with me for so much, overtaking the risk of maybe falling in love with this someone or maybe, you know, this being the love of my life, I just couldn't see it. But you just never know.
- [93:29]
B
You never know. I want to introduce my man Chris into a club, man. He's inducted into a special club. Chris, I hope you hear this, brother. It was great talking to you, but welcome to the Men who have cried on the Internet club. Oh, my God, Chris, you are in such good company. Like me, Will Smith, Tyrese Gibson, Michael Jordan, LeBron. Like so many men who we have cried on the Internet. Welcome to the club. Kanye. Kanye West. Chris, you in the club now. You guys could play it right here. Last year, Jason Wilson came on the podcast. I ugly cried over some that I can't. That I haven't worked out. Chris, don't feel bad about it, which I'm sure you don't. I know you don't feel empowered that you are a part of an exclusive club. And guess what, nigga? We gonna cry again. What the fuck? I was. I went to see Hamnet.
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Oh, how's that?
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Destructive.
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Oh, because of what happens to Hamnet.
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Pure despair.
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Did you know the story at the.
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End of the movie could not hold it together at all? Ugly cry.
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Can I ask? Spoiler alert. Do you see? Because I. Obviously, it's a fictional tell because there's not much that's really written about Hamnet, Shakespeare's son, and he died so young. Is the whole do the whole movie. Do you get to see the life of Hamnet and then the tragedy happens, or does it happen and then you see them dealing with it and trying to pick up the pieces.
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You get to see some Hamnet.
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Okay?
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You get a little hamnet. Hamnet's in there. The. The actor they have playing Hamnet, like, cute little white guy is around there. You would sad. You'd be sad if he wasn't around, he was cool. Poor guy. Like. But Hamnet destroyed me. Right. If you could have got. That was the same way I cried when Jason was here. So welcome to the club. Dion Sanders, also a member of this club. All right? So just welcome to the club. Dwyane Wade.
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I think we should normalize this. Like, be. Feel how you feel and don't feel like you have to hide it.
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Yeah.
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And Chris, It's a great club to be in.
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Chris, you produced. Those were. That was robust tears. Those were good tears. He had the thing where your eye glazes over real quick when the light hits it real. My tears just drop. My tears don't want to stay in my eye. It's just like. They go, man, bitch ass nigga. Boom. And they come straight down. Chris does the thing where he gets the tear.
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They well up.
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They well up in the thing. And then after, they well up too much. Boom. And that's a more. That's a better cry.
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It's prettier.
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It's a prettier cry. That might be a cry that he also learned in drama.
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Cause, like, you taking the.
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No, no, no. I'm not saying that he's not. I'm not saying that he's acting. I'm saying that he is probably utilizing those tactics. From a genuine cry, it is more.
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Dramatic because when you see. When you see somebody about, like. Like my tears well up in my eyes.
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Nah, nigga, you just go crazy.
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A
You cry like, you know you can see it. Cause there's been times you've been like, you're about to cry.
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B
You're about to cry.
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So it's like a. It's more of a dramatic effect. Like, they. You see it, and then you start to feel. You're like, oh, my gosh, is she okay? She's about to cry. And then they start. It's. Yeah.
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B
You know who you cry like, though? You cry like a mama on a TV show that has lost their baby to gang violence.
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It. No, it's not that. Mine are not that dramatic.
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You get like, you know, mine's not that dramatic. Was my son, like, you cry like, you know, like you trying to.
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Or.
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Or you know what? This is how you cry. You cry like the mama that's in front of the house telling the gangs to leave their son alone.
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That's. That's more. That's more fitting.
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That's actually the cry.
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A
That is cry.
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B
That's actually the cry. You don't come by this house no more.
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It's. It's angry but emotional at the same time. It's an angry, sad cry. Cause, like, when I get really angry, I cry.
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You cry. That's why you crying out there. And then one of the gang, Big Slick, the leader of the gang, he goes, y', all, let's roll out. Then they walk away.
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And I'm standing there with the broom in my hand.
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Get your ass in the house with the.
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Get in the house.
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B
I don't ever wanna see you with those boys.
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A
That is my cry 100%. So look, this is you.
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All right? I want to say something before. Before I go. Everybody was. So I want to plug something that I'm doing right now. Shout out to my new sub stack. You if you disagree. That's the name.
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A
Oh, that's the name of it?
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B
Yeah, it's called.
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A
I thought that was just the title of your first article.
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B
No, it's called you if you disagree. That's not name of the. The substack. So it's been released. The Mario supreme article is up right now. Mario supreme is a Tyler Perry movie. You guys can go to my subs sub stack right now. You if you disagree. Van Len and substack. But also, I'm gonna do something else on substack. I got one coming on Saturday. On Sunday. We publish every Sunday morning. This one is about why I'm obsessed with race. We publish me. It's just me. We. You if you disagree. The next one is why I'm obsessed with race. Why I'm race obsessed. That's. And I give sort of an explanation as to how this happened and why it happens and, you know, why it might not continue. So that's on Saturday, but on Sunday. Should I say Sunday morning on Substack. Subscribe to the substack.
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A
When were we doing the whole thing? Donnie, help me out here. Where you couldn't talk about race. How long was that supposed to go on? Because that lasted maybe two episodes. One and a half, Donnie. That was definitely last year. Maybe like a May. We never made it to the end of May. Because I think you said if you. If you do. Maybe it was April. If you did, you would take your shirt off at the live show, right? And you definitely failed. And then you chickened out about taking your shirt off at the live show, right, Donnie?
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B
So at one live show, I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have to take my shirt off at one of these live shows. Shows.
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A
And we're gonna do one in 2026.
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We're gonna do one in 2026. I'm have to take my shirt off. I will say this though, that there was somebody that was just really mad that I didn't take my shirt off. Like somebody on Reddit. They were super pissed off.
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I didn't. On the Reddit.
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This was back then, though. No, no, no. This was. This was almost like a year ago, my Reddit, you know, like in a.
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A
Way that you said something like. They really. They just wanted to see you.
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I don't know what it was. So my. So I got off the Reddit. Really? When I saw my mom on the Reddit.
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Reddit, rightfully so.
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B
They posted my mom on the Reddit.
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And I'm like, no, I didn't see that.
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B
But the Reddit. But. But not the Reddit. But like, obviously I'm not part of the.
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A
That part of the.
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That part of the. Like, it is what it is. But it's plus. Plus. That's for them. It's not for me. I'm not supposed to be on this for them. But I saw somebody that was like, yo, what was the live show, May? Somebody was like, yo, did Van take his shirt off? And then everybody was like, no, he didn't take his shirt off. Like, he's full of shit. He's a liar. I'm like, oh my God. What the is going on? The van's full of shit.
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Well, you better get to it.
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B
Yeah, I owe them.
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A
But you'll be in training by at that point.
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B
Yeah, I'm in training now. I'm doing my thing now.
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A
Why?
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Because of. Oh, yeah. Oh, we got something to announce. This summer, the higher learning games are happening. It's gonna be all of us, including Donnie and maybe Juni. Right, all of us, including Donnie. We're gonna get together for a sports competition.
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A
Yeah. You guys suggest some games. Think of the field days that you used to do. But this is bigger. We're already thinking we gotta do basketball because Van talks too much about it. What do we say? Rock climbing.
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B
Rock climbing. Is that Rachel? Put that one in there for her. That's a Rachel dub. Yeah. I can't wait to see me up there. Rock climbing.
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44. 40 yard dash.
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40 yard dash. That's probably another racial dub. There's gonna be so much jiggling on the dash, it's gonna be crazy. Then we said ping pong, table tennis. Marty. Supreme situation. And maybe some other things. Things that we're gonna do here. Maybe throwing the football.
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A
Good at ping pong, huh? I'm freakishly good at ping pong.
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B
I'm not gonna.
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A
It's been a while. It's been a while.
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The higher learning games are coming, right? Donnie, do you have any suggestions for games that we're gonna do?
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I'm trying to think of things that I would be good at. Which are running.
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Let's do sack races.
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Sack. Just the higher learning.
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A
I just see the fun.
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B
This is gonna be the summer we might invite y' all out to watch this, to watch the higher learning games. Because, you know, I. I'm not trying to play basketball outside. It's like get all my shredded up. So we might need to rent a gym or something. But we trying to get y' all for a two day event, a weekend event.
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A
Two days?
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B
Yeah. We'll do all these games in one day.
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A
They're quick.
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They're not that quick, man. We need two days. This is a whole two day higher learning event. Well, maybe it's one day. I don't know. Maybe it's one day. Rachel's right. One day. One day we do the higher learning games and we crown the higher learning athletic champion.
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A
We'll do it like a family reunion, right? So maybe not the rock climbing. Cause I can't be there. But we have a family reunion. A higher learning family reunion. We invite everybody out and then we play games.
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B
We play games. And then. You know what, you punk motherfuckers, I want y' all to do it too. Because I'm sick of y' all shit. I wanna see y' all put something on the line so it's not just gonna be me out there doing all of this stuff hanging out. I want to see y' all do it as well. Y', all, we're gonna crown the champion of higher learning and then the champion of the Thought warriors as far as athletics are concerned. I wanted to do this a couple of years ago. I wanted to have what I call a regular guys combine. Cause I posted on Twitter one time, I said, what would be your 40 time if you ran it right now? You niggas are stupid.
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They said anything under four is ridiculous. I mean, anything under five is ridiculous.
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Like, guys came back. I think I could run a 46 right now.
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Come on.
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B
What you niggas don't is that 46 is flying.
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A
You're not.
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You're like so many people's like, if I like, yeah, right now. I think in high school, I think it was like a 43 or 4 4. No, you weren't. You were never that. That's not what you ran. Like, everybody's like, oh, my God, I can do this. I can do that. No. And so I told Bill. I was like, you know what we should do? Me and somebody who doesn't work anymore, work here anymore. Somebody that went to a different organization and he's gone. I was like, we should have a combine for just regular guys. Get all of the regular guys out there that think they can do this shit and put them through a combine at SC or something like that.
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What qualifies you as a regular guy?
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This means that you have to have been. If you played in high school and college, that's fine.
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A
See, college, I think, should eliminate you.
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B
But you. You. If you haven't played in, like, 10.
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Years, but you could have ran a fourth four in college, man. So I think you should. You can't be a collegiate athlete. You had to have the aspiration to do it.
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B
But, Rachel, I got. I think. Okay, that's fair. But let me say something else, though. It's not as many collegiate athletes that ran a 44 as you think that they are.
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A
No, no, that's true. I know, I know. But I just think that it makes it more regular if. Because, you know, there's a lot of guys that, like, man, when I was in. And you're like, oh, when did you play? And it's like, high school. That's the kind of person I want out there.
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B
Okay, cool. Okay, cool. So we might do the combat.
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A
I used to dunk high school, but the.
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B
But I dunked at 39. Just like. So, okay. It's the last. My last successful dunk is at 39. It's not a great dunk, but I dunked that and I got video. So please, please insert it right now. Wait, wait.
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Is it time stamps?
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What did you just say?
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A
Insert.
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B
Oh, my God. What? You can't say that.
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A
Yes, I can.
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B
You can't say that.
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A
You can't say that like that. You can't think it like that.
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B
You just said. Please. You can't say that.
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A
Everybody knew what I mean. You can't think like that.
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B
Please insert it right now.
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A
You can't.
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B
That's like something you all just aside. You can't say that.
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A
Yes, you can.
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B
You need to. I'm just. I'm just saying, like, you. The way you just said that is crazy. You can't say. Okay.
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A
It's like. You can't say anything.
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B
I'm just being honest.
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A
Do that with every single thing.
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B
That's crazy. That was. That's crazy. Oh, also, man. Also on. Fuck you if you disagree. Since you guys Want to talk to me so much about things that I say on the podcast. I'm gonna start going live on substack.
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A
I didn't even know you could do that.
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B
You can. I talked to somebody. Somebody saw me posting on substack and the substack people were so thrilled. They're helping me, God, they're helping guide me through my substack journey. I'm gonna start going live on subsect, I think for from 2 to 4.
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A
Jesus.
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B
Where anyone that wants to talk about. You have to. Have to be a subscriber though. Anyone that wants to talk higher learning stuff.
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A
Stuff.
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B
Maybe even you want to do a topic. You want to get directly at me. You want to talk your come do it on the sub stack. You if you disagree. I don't know if it's going to be next Thursday. It's going to be first one, but it's going to be the Thursday after that for sure. I need to do a test to do a test of the sub stack. Okay, we gotta get out of here.
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A
Two hours is crazy.
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B
Maybe one.
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A
I'll see how long you keep that up.
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B
Maybe one hour.
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A
Maybe one hour. Makes sense. Just to get your off a little bit.
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B
I want to talk to you guys.
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A
You getting your.
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B
I could stream for like hours.
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A
No, I know you can, but, but like, just like a healthy, healthy time is an hour.
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B
Speaking of streaming, Hasan Piker is coming on higher Learning.
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A
Nice.
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B
Hasan.
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A
No, I. I obviously know that he's coming on. Don't turn it into something it's not nice. It's.
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B
You like Hasan.
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A
I don't have an issue with Hasan.
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B
I asked him to take you on a date when I was on his stream.
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A
Why do you do that? You did that on the stream?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Did he get uncomfortable?
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B
Yeah, he did.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. I mean I had. I think I had Hasan. Hasan's a great guy. I think I had. I Man. Hassan was hitting the. Me and Hasan was hitting the crown. Me and Hasan.
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I did a. Oh, you got lit on me. That's fun.
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B
Me and Hasan hit the crown. I gave. Hasan had a black Santa back there. That was. That was doing black Santa stuff. He had a black Santa. And when he told me how he got the black Santa, it was an interesting story. I gave the black Santa a whole backstory.
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A
I don't know how I feel about that, man.
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B
Well, you talk to him about it. When he comes here. He comes here.
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A
Hassan. So you're telling me when you said you should date Rachel, he had a look of disgust on his Face.
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B
No, he did not have a look of disgust. Best. I just think a lot of people aren't as free with. With stuff as I am, and he was caught off guard a little bit. Hassan, great guy. He's gonna come on the podcast. Can't wait for him to come on the podcast. We were going to talk about Zion Williamson and the only fan situation. It's not much to say. Okay.
- [108:10]
A
Yeah, there really is not much to say.
- [108:12]
B
Just. Just, you know, do whatever you want. It's. It's fun. I think the more thing that. I think the thing that I learned about this was for myself. I'll tell you why. One day I hope that there's a situation like this and I don't know who the woman is. I hope one day to. To not have.
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A
Oh, is she a popular model?
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B
Oh, no, she's popular, but she's one that I knew not. You know, it's not that there was a whole deal, but she's one that I. That I. The dope chick, 69. She's one that I. I knew she was. It's like, not like one of my old faves, but I knew she was. And so we're building up to the days where I'm not going to. To. To. To know that. But Zion just, you know, the model says that he's the.
- [108:56]
A
That baby looks like him side by side. Let me. Somebody did.
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B
I can see that.
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A
Yeah, you see him. Stop it. Hey, look, I told you one picture to look at.
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B
Like, what you want me to do is like, you know, these. This is how you. This is how want to do it. This is. I'm not. I can't judge. Remember? I don't judge. You know, I see myself in Zion. This is. This is how want to do it. I don't judge. I can't judge. But, you know, if. If in fact there is a uncle or a big cousin, a big brother. Zion. Ja. Even not on this tip, but on different tips. Just, you know, just do one of these. Huh? This is. This is the thing. Hey, hey, man, you doing. Are you doing just like one of these? Just a little. The arm. This is the. This is the deal. Come over here. Hey, how you doing, man? You skin strong. You're getting strong. Hey, you good? Because it's a lot of what you. You doing. It's one of those. Design one of those.
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A
Yeah, yeah. If he is the father, please step up.
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B
And, you know, I just tell you guys, if you're the father, you don't step up. Whatever. It's. Yeah, we gotta go. If you're the father, step up. It's your child, so we shouldn't have to tell you to step up. Up. You should want to give your child. Yeah, whatever, man. You know, step up. Step up. Like it's something that. Like, it's a choice. It's. It's your child.
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A
It's crazy, though, that she wrote on her Instagram, let's play a game. Who's my baby daddy? That's crazy.
- [110:40]
B
That's funny.
- [110:41]
A
That's wild.
- [110:42]
B
Put a list of people on there.
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A
I don't know. I'm just looking at what's in the right.
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B
Let me see. Like, I. I didn't click on it. Let me see.
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A
I don't know if I.
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B
We really got to go. We really got to go.
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A
She said play. Let's play a game. Wait. She said, let's play a game. Who's my baby daddy? Three laughing emojis and added tmz.
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B
Oh, yeah, she did put some. Some other categories up there. Oh. Added TMZ is when you know. And I want to say, shout out to hotnewhiphop.com this image of Zion. This is good. Okay, that. The image that y' all use. That's. That's old. Y' all got my tmz. The image that y' all use is good. All right, take Dean caps off, but do not stop learning. I'm Van Lathan Jr.
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I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.