Highest Self Podcast® with Sahara Rose

Episode 622: How To Astral Project + Use It For Healing: Step-By-Step Guide with Jade Shaw
Guest: Jade Shaw, expert on out-of-body experiences and astral projection
Date: September 30, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode invites listeners into the intriguing world of astral projection, featuring expert Jade Shaw. Sahara and Jade explore the reality-bending practice of intentional out-of-body experiences, discuss different methods and philosophical frameworks, address common fears, and unpack how astral projection can be a healing tool—particularly for trauma and ancestral patterns. The conversation is both technical and playful, layered with personal anecdotes and deep spiritual insights, providing an empowering roadmap for anyone curious about exploring consciousness beyond the body.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jade’s Origin Story with Astral Projection

• Childhood Experiences: Jade recounted her spontaneous out-of-body experiences (OBEs) as a child—often triggered while in bed, with her body vibrating and a sensation of "floating" (03:28).
• Rediscovery as an Adult: After reading Robert Monroe’s Journeys Out of the Body, Jade realized her childhood episodes were documented phenomena. Attempting Monroe’s techniques led to a transformative OBE that "literally changed [her] life" (04:45).
• Career Transition: After her seminal OBE, Jade left her successful dance career, pursued a master's in transpersonal psychology, and published research on the self-transformative effects of OBEs (05:22).

“My body isn't me. I'm not my physical body. And I realized that all my limitations were tied up with my physical body. ...So literally changed my life.”
— Jade Shaw, 00:40

2. Defining Out-of-Body Experiences & Astral Projection

• Types of OBEs:

  • Forced: Near-death or crisis-induced.
  • Spontaneous: Random or during altered states (e.g., meditation, relaxation).
  • Self-Initiated: Intentionally triggered using specific techniques (06:01).

• Differentiation from Lucid Dreaming & Psychedelics:

  • Lucid dreaming is being aware you’re dreaming—phenomenologically different from astral projection (06:04).
  • Psychedelic experiences may overlap with OBE sensations (energy, time distortion) but lack the signature sense of "leaving" the body (07:09).
  • Plant medicine may “springboard” into an OBE but isn’t inherently one (08:16).

“With an out-of-body experience, you shift out — full on Dr. Strange... you’re floating around as a separate entity, effectively like a ghost.”
— Jade Shaw, 08:26

3. What Happens During an OBE: Realms & Navigation

• Where Do You Go?:
  • Multiple planes possible:
    • Ethereal plane: A near-duplicate of our physical reality.
    • Cosmic or alternate realms: Other dimensions, potentially more archetypal or symbolic (09:15).
  • Ethical implications (e.g., remote viewing): Historically, the CIA used astral projection for espionage (10:02).

"You could have a universe, like a cosmic out of body experience. You could have one of this reality, this physical plane which we call the ethereal plane, which feels like it is now."
— Jade Shaw, 09:32

4. Healing & Shadow Integration with Astral Projection

• Intentional Projections for Healing:
  • OBEs can facilitate trauma healing, shadow work, and even answer deep existential questions (12:17).
  • Navigating “dark realms” isn’t about evil entities but unintegrated parts of the self seeking attention (13:22).
  • Staying present and asking, “What do you represent?” can transform fear into insight.

“What if that is an unhealed personified aspect of ourself… It has a message or some healing for us.”
— Jade Shaw, 13:29

• Comparison with Inner Child Meditations:
  • Typical inner child journeys = guided visualization/active imagination, not full astral projection (14:27).

5. Step-by-Step Guide: How to Astral Project

• Key Stages:

  1. Mind Awake, Body Asleep: Achieve deep physical relaxation while keeping the mind alert (15:13).
  2. Vibrational State: (Not everyone feels this—don’t get fixated on it.) (15:21)
  3. Exit/Separation: Strong intention, sometimes with a verbal command. Imagine sitting up out of your body without physically moving. (20:29; 22:29)

• RAIN Technique for Navigation:

  • Recognize, Accept, Investigate, Non-identification: Stay calm, don’t self-attach to the narrative, and avoid emotional spikes to prevent snapping back (23:41).

• Mindfulness at Sleep:

  • “What am I seeing? What am I hearing? What am I feeling?” (21:15)

“It’s with strong intention, and you might say a command: Out of body now. …You might shoot out, you might spill out like milk… go with that spilling out of the body.”
— Jade Shaw, 22:29

• Requirements for Success:
  • Sensory deprivation and no external guidance—being interrupted can pull you back (19:28–20:11).
  • Most spiritual, empathic, or “transliminal” people find it easier to achieve OBEs (20:15–21:06).

6. Protection, Entities & Overcoming Fear

• Spiritual Protection:

  • Jade teaches a visualization technique: drawing energy through the body and creating an energetic bubble emblazoned with protective symbols or mantras (28:18–29:33).

• Facing Entities / Fear Work:

  • “Three-Second Stance”: Stand your ground, connect to your power, firmly question the entity: “Why are you here? What do you represent?”
  • Example: Jade faced a “demon” in OBE, who revealed itself to be her “unresolved conflict with money” (32:55; 33:25).

“I'm your unresolved conflict with money. …That creature was an embodiment of something I’d suppressed within myself.”
— Jade Shaw, 33:24

7. Experiencing Time: Past, Future, Ancestral Lineage & Quantum Realities

• Healing Family Lines:
  • Jade uses OBEs for ancestral healing and breaking intergenerational trauma patterns, e.g., recognizing a lineage of relationships with narcissistic men (47:32–48:42).
  • OBEs sometimes serve as prophetic warnings; Jade was shown clear signs about a destructive relationship before they played out in waking life (47:47–49:34).

“You can literally change the expression of your genes through out-of-body experiences.”
— Jade Shaw, 49:19

• Visiting Other Lifetimes/Futures:
  • Astral projection can involve meeting future or parallel “selves.” Both Jade and Sahara shared powerful encounters with their elderly/future versions, which offered reassurance and new perspective (53:09–54:56).

"You don't need to do anything. You don't need to be anyone. You're already here."
— Jade Shaw, 54:05

8. Making Sense of Unexplained Experiences

• Literal vs Metaphorical:

  • Meaning is constructed in retrospect; intuition helps discern if an experience is truly prophetic, metaphorical, or “just” psychological (51:20).
  • Sometimes, features like a “blue tinge” indicate prophecy—though Jade hasn’t experienced this herself (52:30).

• Integration & Transformation:

  • The real value of OBE is in how we interpret and integrate these experiences—how they influence choices, identity, and healing (56:14–56:46).

9. Memorable Quotes & Key Moments

• On Body & Identity:

  “If I'm here, who is that there? …I realized that all my limitations were tied up with my physical body.”
  — Jade Shaw, 00:40

• On Healing Entities:

  “I teach people how to meet negative entities… ask: Why are you here? What do you represent?”
  — Jade Shaw, 32:20

• On Realness of the Experience:

  "That's the most common phrase people have: It felt more real than reality, more real than this reality right now."
  — Jade Shaw, 42:44

• On Future Guidance:

  “You don't need to do anything. ...You’re already your fullest self as you are, and this is the most joyful and wonderful life you’re gonna have. Just be.”
  — Jade Shaw, 54:05

• On Meaning Making:

  “Whatever the meaning-making system that we bring to these experiences, that’s what creates the transformation.”
  — Jade Shaw, 56:14

• On Courage and Quantum Shifts:

  “These are realities, but it's not guaranteed ... Who do I need to become? ... How courageous are you going to be?”
  — Sahara Rose, 58:13

Notable Timestamps

• [03:28] Jade’s first astral experiences as a child
• [04:45] Life-changing adult OBE; career pivot
• [06:01] Different types of OBEs
• [08:16] Are plant medicines OBEs?
• [09:15] Where does one "go" in astral projection?
• [12:17] Using OBEs for healing/shadow integration
• [15:13] Mind awake, body asleep—first step
• [19:28] Why you can’t be guided or interrupted mid-OBE
• [21:15] Mindfulness and hypnagogic states for OBE launch
• [23:41] Rain Technique for navigation post-exit
• [28:18] Spiritual protection and energy bubble practice
• [32:55] "Three-second stance" for meeting entities; money demon example
• [47:32] Jade’s ancestral healing (narcissistic men, ADHD, prophetic OBE warnings)
• [53:09] Meeting future self through movement-induced OBE
• [56:14] The importance of how we make meaning from OBEs

Final Thoughts & Resources

• Jade’s Resources: Free quiz/handout on astral projection styles, available via her website or Instagram (@jadeshoreofficial).
• Sahara’s Takeaway: Astral projection offers radical perspective shifts, powerful emotional/ancestral healing, and a reminder that expanding consciousness can be modern and accessible.
• Community Invitation: Listeners are encouraged to share the episode, reflect in group chats, and open up about their own unexplained or multidimensional experiences.

Closing Quotes

“Trust your intuition, trust your inner wisdom.”
— Jade Shaw, 60:47–60:59

For anyone on the edge of exploring out-of-body experiences, this episode offers both grounding steps and cosmic perspective, reminding us the journey is as much about our own integration as it is about visiting far-flung realms.