From Hillsdale K-12 to Hillsdale College: Vivian Stewart and Atlanta Classical Academy

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: Hillsdale College K-12 Classical Education Podcast
Episode: From Hillsdale K-12 to Hillsdale College: Vivian Stewart and Atlanta Classical Academy
Date: January 26, 2026
Host: Scott Bertram
Guest: Vivian Stewart, Freshman at Hillsdale College, graduate of Atlanta Classical Academy (ACA)

This episode features an engaging conversation with Vivian Stewart, a Hillsdale freshman who spent her K-12 years at Atlanta Classical Academy, one of Hillsdale’s affiliated K-12 schools. The discussion explores Vivian’s experience transitioning from ACA’s classical curriculum to college life at Hillsdale, the formation of tight-knit academic and social communities, and the personal impact of a classical education. Vivian also compares her journey with peers who chose other post-secondary paths.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

K-12 Educational Journey: From Montessori to Atlanta Classical Academy

• Vivian’s Early Schooling:

  • Attended Montessori preschool and kindergarten, then spent first grade in public school.
  • Joined Atlanta Classical Academy (ACA) as a second grader in 2014, the school’s inaugural year.

    "I got in on the lottery for second grade and was there second through my senior year in high school." (02:17)

• Transition from Public School to Classical Education:

  • Struggled to read using sight words at the public school; excelled after switching to a phonics-based approach at ACA.

    "I had a really hard time learning how to read in first grade because they were using sight words at the public school. ... When I switched into second grade [at ACA], I was already kind of used to [phonics], but I flew through reading grades after that." (02:47)

  • Noted the greater effectiveness and rigor of ACA’s curriculum compared to her public school experience.

The ACA Experience: Academics, Community, and Capstone Moments

• Curriculum and Traditions:
  • ACA emphasized deep reading, memorization, and building strong connections among students.

    "All through elementary school... we were reading so many books and we were memorizing poems. I still remember the first poem that I memorized in second grade—'Bed in Summer' by Robert Louis Stevenson." (03:49)

  • Small class sizes led to enduring relationships and meaningful classroom discussions.

    "My graduating class was 35, and I knew all of them since they were at least 12. ... Growing up with all of these kids and growing up in the same educational tradition." (04:08)

• Senior Year Capstone:
  • Senior thesis was a defining academic experience—writing, defending, and showcasing a decade of learning.
  • Shared a memorable moment reading Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov together.

    "Our literature teacher had waited. He told us not to read the last three pages. And we read it together as a class, and people were crying. ... It was one of the best book discussions I've ever had in my life." (05:24)

Curriculum Design: The Classical Spiral

• "Spiraling" the Curriculum:

  • Students revisit major historical topics (e.g., Ancient Greece/Rome, Renaissance, World Wars) at increasing levels of depth.

    "The curriculum spiral[s], so it circles back. ... You're repeating the same things over and over again... in a new light and a new lens." (05:59)

  • This enables deeper conversations in upper grades, as everyone shares common background knowledge.

• Impact on Critical Thinking:

  • ACA’s classical education encouraged students to grapple with complex philosophical questions as teens—contrasted with what peers at public schools encounter.

Transition to Hillsdale College

• Choosing Hillsdale:

  • Familiarity with Hillsdale came via ACA’s large contingent of Hillsdale alumni on staff and through summer study programs in Italy and England.

    "About half of my teachers... are Hillsdale alums. ... I ended up going to Italy after my freshman year, which was an amazing experience." (08:05)

  • Hillsdale was Vivian’s first and only college application—she applied early decision.

    "My senior year was my one school. I was just—if I got in, I was going to go." (08:54)

• Academic Preparedness and the First Term:

  • Felt well-prepared, especially for writing and reading-intensive courses.

    "I'm fairly confident in my writing already... I'm prepared to handle the reading load. I'm prepared to handle writing papers and taking exams." (09:41)

  • The main challenge was adapting to a different structure, broader scope of material, and managing increased personal responsibility and time.

    "Time management is not my absolute strength... I don't have a problem getting work done, but I definitely have a problem being consistent." (11:11)

Social Life & Community at Hillsdale

• Residence and Involvement:

  • Lives in Olds Residence, known for strong community among freshman girls.

    "It's always talked about as the one with the strongest community or one of the best communities on campus. And I definitely feel that." (12:33)

  • Has joined clubs (sailing team, plans for creative writing club, Humane Society volunteering).

    "It's really nice here to be able to reach out to pretty much anyone... Oh, I'm on the sailing team, too." (12:33, 13:54)

• Friendships:

  • Acknowledges friendships at college are still new compared to ACA but sees them growing.

    "It's hard to tell, because I've only known most of these people for 13 weeks." (14:36)

  • The tight-knit community at ACA set her up well for creating new bonds at Hillsdale.

Perspectives on Different College Experiences

• Comparing Choices with ACA Peers:

  • Some classmates chose larger public schools, others liberal arts colleges, and some felt constrained by ACA’s small size.

    "Some people are absolutely thriving in college. ... My younger sisters... feel a little bit constrained by how small the school is and definitely want to be at a bigger school with more opportunities." (15:39)

• ACA as Preparation for College Life:

  • ACA graduates feel confident and prepared to engage with diverse perspectives and larger communities.

Reflections, Advice, and Notable Teachers

• What She Wishes She'd Known:

  • The Michigan cold!

    "It's cold. I'm finding that out now." (17:11)

  • Social life is more active and accessible than expected—but initially overwhelming.

• Hillsdale in a Nutshell:

  "It's both a very serious campus and a very fun campus. ... Not necessarily treated as a stranger, even if you've never met a person before, you're treated as a potential new friend." (18:59)

• Influential Teachers:

  • Shoutout to high school math teacher and Hillsdale alum Sam Clausen.

    "He had a great math class—wonderful... But it's so funny to see him in a different context... He loved that [Lessons in Wonder] class so much and it was so chaotic and so fun." (20:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On finding her academic stride at ACA:

  "Once I switched into [the phonics] way of education, I flew through reading grades after that. I was multiple grade levels ahead." (02:47)

• On the sense of community:

  "The friends that I made there, I'm still friends with to this day. I grew up with these kids. ... It was really a capstone in high school ... all of the pieces were coming together." (03:49)

• On culminating classroom experiences:

  "We read [the end of The Brothers Karamazov] together as a class, and people were crying. ... It was one of the best book discussions I've ever had in my life." (05:34)

• On preparedness for college:

  "I'm used to the ideas already... I am not blown away by the workload at college. I think that I'm very comfortable in my ability as a student and a writer to handle it well." (09:41)

• On building new relationships:

  "It has been a little bit hard, I think, to leave such a strong community that you've known for so long and you know them so well. But I think I've been set up really well to find a new place here and to do just as well." (14:58)

• On collegiate community:

  "...you're not necessarily treated as a stranger, even if you've never met a person before, you're treated as a potential new friend, I think is so nice. And the campus is very welcoming." (19:09)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• [02:17] Vivian’s K-12 school background and transition to ACA
• [03:49] Life and traditions at ACA, tight-knit class, senior thesis
• [05:59] The spiraling curriculum and its impact on depth of conversation
• [08:05] How Vivian heard about and chose Hillsdale College
• [09:41] Transition and academic preparedness at Hillsdale
• [11:11] Time management and the structure of college life
• [12:33] Social/community experiences and extracurricular activities at Hillsdale
• [14:36] Comparison of ACA and college friendships
• [15:39] ACA classmates at other schools and reflections on size/preparedness
• [17:11] Surprises about life at Hillsdale (the climate and social scene)
• [18:59] Describing the essence of Hillsdale in a few lines
• [20:22] Influential ACA teacher and the broader Hillsdale alumni network

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Tone & Style

Vivian’s tone throughout is warm, reflective, and humorous, giving listeners a sense of both gratitude and realism. She’s candid about her strengths and weaknesses, especially when it comes to time management and adjusting to Michigan winters. The conversation is personal and relatable, providing both uplifting moments and honest assessments of transition and growth.

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This episode offers a vivid, detailed picture of the classical education experience from K-12 through college, illustrating how habits of reading, thinking, and community-building foster lifelong intellectual curiosity and personal strength.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Welcome to The Hillsdale College K12 classical education podcast, bringing you insight into classical education and its unique emphasis on human virtue and moral character, responsible citizenship, content, rich curricula and teacher led classrooms.

[C]

Now your host, Scott Bertram. Thanks for listening. The Hillsdale College K12 Classical Education Podcast is part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network. More episodes at podcast hillsdale.edu or wherever you get your audio. You also can find more information on topics and ideas discussed on this show at our website, k12 hillsdale.edu. we're joined today by Vivian Stewart. She's a freshman here at Hillsdale College from Atlanta, Georgia and previously a student at Atlanta Classical Academy. Vivian, thanks so much for joining us.

[B]

Thank you for asking me to be here.

[C]

Tell us a little bit about your educational background. What kind of schools did you attend for K12?

[B]

So I went to a Montessori preschool and kindergarten school and then I was in public school for one year in first grade and then the first year that Atlanta Classical opened in 2014, I got in on the lottery for second grade and was there second through my senior year in high school.

[C]

So it might be a little too much to ask you to think back that far to the pre Atlantic Classical days. But did you notice or do you remember any differences between those first few years and after you attended Atlanta Classical?

[B]

I don't have that many memories from first grade, but my parents have told this to me again and I do remember this, that I had a really hard Time learning how to read in first grade because they were using sight words at the public school. And that just did not work for me. And my parents both picked up how to read pretty quickly, so they wondered what was going on. And I ended up having a tutor in first grade who used phonics, which is what ACA used. And so when I switched into second grade, I was already kind of used to it, but I flew through reading grades after that. I was multiple grade levels ahead. Once I switched into that way of education, I think that's the way that a lot of the classes went. Like the things that public school did weren't as effective as the things that we did at aca. And I didn't learn as much even in that one year at a very low level than I did in later years at aca.

[C]

Take us through those ACA years, then at Atlanta Classical Academy. How would you describe the education you. How did it help you learn through those years?

[B]

So I started at ACA at the first year that the school opened. So we sort of had a rocky start because this the first year, people were coming and going as far as teachers go. The administration changed a couple times while I was there, and they ended up relaxing the curriculum a bit more as I went through because more kids started to struggle as they were testing the waters. But I remember all through elementary school, up until sixth grade and even into middle school, we were reading so many books and we were memorizing poems. I still remember the first poem that I memorized in second grade. It was Bed and Summer by Robert Louis Stevenson. I was actually asked in sixth grade to come back and recite it for one of the current second grade classes, because I still remembered it. And I remember it was just such a fun time. Like the friends that I made there, I'm still friends with to this day. I grew up with these kids. My graduating class was 35, and I knew all of them since they were at least 12. And then it was really a capstone in high school, especially junior. Senior year, it felt like all of the pieces were coming together. And I wrote my senior thesis and that was really fun and defended it too. And I felt really proud of that. And then I had showcased what I had learned over the past 10 years. And I think something about growing up with all of these kids and growing up in the same educational tradition. Senior year we read the Brothers Karamazov, and I just distinctly remember our final lecture over the closing lines. Our literature teacher had waited. He told us not to read the last Three pages. And we read it together as a class, and people were crying. It was so amazing. And it was one of the best book discussions I've ever had in my life. And I think that there's so many things that I just have so many memories like that that are so. So essential to who I am as a person now and what I'm learning now that I don't think I would be the same if I hadn't had that experience.

[C]

If you can remember, did everything seem natural? Did everything seem. Make everything seem to make sense in the classroom as you moved from grade to grade and continued your educational experience?

[B]

I would say so. I remember someone explaining it to me in middle school that the curriculum spiral, so it circles back. So in second grade we were in ancient Greece, ancient Rome. And then in sixth grade, we were scientific revolution, the Renaissance, all of that. And then in middle school, they changed the curriculum a little bit to fit standardized testing in the state. But when I was in middle school, we did World War I, World War II. And then in high school, you do all of that again in four years, but you go a lot deeper. And so you're just. You're repeating the same things over and over again. And you're learning the same things, but you're learning them in a new light and a new lens from new teachers and. And with more complex conversations. And it just. It all builds so that in the last couple years of high school, you're with a group, a small group, 35, maybe 17, to a class where everyone has that same background and knows the same things. And you can have so much deeper conversations because you're not having to cover all of the bases first. Everyone just is on the same page already. And you can have these brilliant conversations with just your peers and discuss really important things. And my class had very strong senior theses, I think, and we all sort of ended up going in a similar direction. I think we had struggled a little bit senior year. Literature was modern European literature. So we were reading Dostoevsky and Camus in the fall and all of these books that are very much dealing with the modern world and finding meaning in a life that seems kind of empty. And all of our senior theses were dealing with that question. And it's so taking a step back and thinking about people I know from public school, and they didn't get that education, and they didn't think about those things when they were 17, 18 years old in high school, and then write papers and research papers on that. And I think that's A really wonderful thing that wouldn't have happened if we hadn't all had a similar background. Reading Pollyanna in fourth grade or learning about the Renaissance in fifth grade.

[C]

You've been at Hillsdale College now for nearly a full term. What drew you to the college? How did you find out about it, and why did you choose to apply?

[B]

So I'm a little bit of an interesting case on that part, I think, because about half of my teachers in elementary school, at middle school, high school, are Hillsdale alums because it was one of the flagship Bernie Charter schools. So I just grew up hearing about Hillsdale and all the adventures that people had had and how great it was. And then. Or in my freshman year of high school, the college counselor at the time advised that I go or I apply for one of the high school summer study programs. So I ended up going to Italy after my freshman year, which was an amazing experience. I mean, spending two. Two weeks in Italy at 14 years old, having never traveled abroad before, but also having these amazing lectures and hearing Dr. Garniops talk about Bernini and statues there that you'd never seen before. But getting to see it in person was incredible. And then I ended up going back for an England trip, the. The land and literature trip after my sophomore year. And so I had these two really great experiences, and Hillsdale just seems like a really good fit for me and what I was interested in. So I applied early decision. My senior year was my one school. I was just. If I got in, I was going to go. And I. I did get in. So I was set. And everyone else was applying to 7 to 12 schools. And I was like, I'm already in. I'm done.

[C]

I've applied and now you're here, and you've gone through again, nearly a full term of classes here your freshman year. How would you describe your transition From a classical K 12 school like Atlanta Classical Academy to a liberal arts college like Hillsdale? Did you feel prepared and how's the term gone?

[B]

I definitely did feel prepared, and I listened to upperclassmen from my high school for a few years say, oh, college isn't that hard compared to aca. It's. It's. You're really well prepared. And I think that the biggest thing is that I'm fairly confident in my writing already. So class paper, like history. I'm in Western Heritage right now. Every freshman is in that class first term. And I'm used to the ideas already. I haven't learned everything about it because being a charter school ACA is limited a bit in the scope of the material that they can teach. So. So it's a slightly different angle on a similar history that I've already been educated in, thankfully, and I'm familiar in. So it's seeing all of these ideas that I've already thought about for a while in a new way. And then academically, like, I'm. I'm prepared to handle the reading load. I'm prepared to handle writing papers and taking exams. And it is the week before final exams and I am most definitely feeling the pressure for that. But I am not blown away by the workload at college. I think that I'm very comfortable in my ability as a student and a writer to handle it well. And I think that my education thus far has prepared me really well for that.

[C]

What about time management? Because you are freed from the proverbial shackles of high school and home and here on your own. How do you figure out how much time to devote for any particular thing here on campus?

[B]

I have struggled with that a little bit and I definitely. Time management is not my absolute strength. I find myself all over the place a lot. I don't have a problem getting work done, but I definitely have a problem being consistent. And I think that not being in class eight hours a day, every single day of the week, is a blessing and a curse a bit because I have so much more time so I can structure my day how I want. And this year, I think, was the first year that they let freshmen. Yes. Pick their own schedule. So I. I picked my schedule and what times my classes were and sort of balanced out my week. But it's still. It's still definitely interesting to trial and error, figure out how I want my week to look. Um, I think for the first month it was rough because I hadn't. I'm. I'm from the south and so moving up to Michigan, there's a culture shock, new people. I haven't had a first day in 11 years because I was out of K through 12 school. So I was getting a bit of whiplash. But I've definitely settled in now and have more of a routine going. And I think that'll only be better next semester too.

[C]

Talking with Vivian Stewart, who's a freshman here at Hillsdale College from Atlanta, Georgia. She attended Atlanta Classical Academy. Previously, outside of the academics, all the other stuff that happens here on campus, what kind of social community have you found and built here at Hillsdale?

[B]

So I'm in Olds residence right now, which is one of the freshmen girls, dorms and it's always talked about as the one with the strongest community or one of the best communities on campus. And I definitely feel that I see so many girls that I know just recognize them and I can just start up a conversation with them whenever. So I think it's helped to not feel as isolated in a completely new place. And I have a really strong group of girls that I hang out with a fair amount. We get. We're actually going to get dinner tonight together, which is going to be nice after a break. And I have joined a lot of clubs. I'm joining the creative writing club next semester. And then I'm probably going to start volunteering with the Humane Society. And I think that's something that I really like about Hillsdale, other than larger schools that I'm hearing a lot of my high school classmates talk about. I mean, they're in big SEC schools. 40,000 kids. You're just a number to the system and all that. I think that it's really nice here to be able to reach out to pretty much anyone and. And get help for what you need, or you get plugged into a lot of different things. I mean, it was so easy to email the student heads of different programs and be like, hey, I'm interested in what you're doing. Do you have space for me? Can I join? And they're like, of course. Like, here's all the contact information. Here's the days that you can show up and all that. So I think there's a lot to do on campus. Oh, I'm on the sailing team, too. The season's. I forgot about that. Even though it's one of my favorite things. The season's over right now because it is freezing. But. But that was super fun. And it's a pretty small group. So I went to two different regattas, one in Ohio and one in north of here in middle of Michigan area. And that's fun because you go with three other people. This is the four of you, two boats. And you stay in a hotel room for a couple days and you just get off campus for a little bit, but do a really fun sport. I was so tired after both of those weekends because it was three days. There's just a lot to do. But that was really rewarding. And I sailed in high school, so it was really nice to be able to continue that and to join a new group of people.

[C]

How do you think those friendships that you have now here compare to some of those friendships you made at Atlanta Classical?

[B]

It's hard to Tell, because I've only known most of these people for 13 weeks. That's not very long. Whereas I've known my best friend from home for 11 years at this point. So she's definitely one of the closest people to me outside of my own family. And I think that eventually here I'll develop friendships like that. I definitely see that starting with people. But it's hard because you have just met all of these people. But everyone here is so sweet and so nice and so open to meeting new people and trying new things. And I think that the more tethered I am to different activities, the more people I'll meet and the more relationships I'll form. It has been a little bit hard, I think, to leave such a strong community that you've known for so long and you know them so well. But I think I've been set up really well to find a new place here and to do just as well.

[C]

You mentioned some of your classmates at Atlanta Classical ended up at much larger schools and different schools. Where did some of your friends end up and what have you maybe heard from them about their experience?

[B]

I have classmates I know at Auburn, at Georgia, uga, my best friend's at gcsu, Georgia College and State University, which is the liberal arts school in Georgia, the public one. And I have a friend at Furman too. And so those are all much larger schools. And even the people who chose to do liberal arts schools, I think they're kind of taken aback by how fast paced colleges and just how much is out there because we came from a class of 35 people where our high school was maybe 160 students total. It wasn't quite full yet. They're still working on that to fill lower grades. But you knew everyone in the high school, you recognized everyone in the high school. And there was just, there were some school events that everyone went to and all that. And I think that's definitely true in college, but I think people are kind of overwhelmed. Not everyone. Some people are absolutely thriving in college. They love being in a larger group in an unknown place. Both my sisters go to aca, my younger sisters, and they feel a little bit constrained by how small the school is and definitely want to be at a bigger school with more opportunities. But it's a shift, I think. But I think everyone out of ACA is confident in themselves and what they believe in and are set up well for handling all of the different people that they're going to meet and the different things that they're going to be able to do and not be too overwhelmed by that.

[C]

What do you know now about Hillsdale College that might have been useful for you to know, say, six months ago or nine months ago.

[B]

It's cold. I'm finding that out now.

[C]

That cold.

[B]

It's. I was just talking to my mom back in Atlanta, and she thinks it's cold there and it's like 45. And I'm like, it's 27. And I walked 10 minutes through the snow today.

[C]

And we only 27.

[B]

Yes. We have one day of snow, three days of snow in a given year back in Atlanta. And I was warned, but I don't think I understood what that meant. And I having at least done two summer programs and visited a couple times and sat in on some classes, I had a really good idea of what the academic side was going to be like. I don't think I had a good handle on the social life side of it and just different activities and how much there is to do and how relatively easy it is to start doing so many things. And I think that's been slightly overwhelming just because I'm not the type of person necessarily who's going to reach out and join everything all at once. I sort of ease into things more than that. So I'm a little bit slower on that, much to my mom's chagrin. She's like, you should join more things. I'm working on it. Working on it. But I think that I had a pretty good idea what I was getting myself into. I guess of all the alumni that I knew and the programs that I did, I had a good conception of the college. It has changed a little bit. There are things I didn't expect, and it's changed since my teachers went here between 10 and 20 years ago. So I think it's interesting to see how the place has changed, but what's still essentially the same about it and getting to have my own experience here based other than what experiences? I've already heard of students here.

[C]

Someone asks you, and they probably will, what's Hillsdale like? How would you say that? In a line or two? How would you describe what Hillsdale's like?

[B]

I would say that it's both a very serious campus and a very fun campus. Everyone has chosen to be here for their various reasons. And I've always really appreciated the way that Hillsdale approaches education. And I love the liberal arts corps. I'm a particularly indecisive person when it comes to what I want to study. So going to a college where it's not that you select classes in different subject matters, but that you have a prescribed. You will take Western Heritage 1, you will take American Heritage, you will take great books. All of these things that are prescribed to you I think help me a lot in my academics. And then a community that's so open and helpful to each other and that really is just supportive is such a nice place to be. Especially coming out of ACA where I'm so used to that and so used to knowing all of these people. Going into a community where, where you're not necessarily treated as a stranger, even if you've never met a person before, you're treated as a potential new friend, I think is so nice. And the campus is very welcoming, I would say, and I appreciate that a lot after being here.

[C]

You told us that a number of your faculty members at Atlanta Classical were. Are Hillsdale grads. Anyone in particular there at Atlanta Classical that had an impact on you? And in the short time here at Hillsdale, any faculty members here who have made an impression?

[B]

My math teacher in high school for two or three years, I can't quite remember was Sam Clausen. And he I went to Olds and Simpson, had a mixer and I saw in the Simpson hallway their past ras. And he was, he was an RA in 2013 and it was so funny to see a relatively serious. But he had a great math class is wonderful. I think I learned the most from him by far as far as math goes. And math is not my strongest subject. But that was a really fun class. But it's so funny to see him in a different context and I heard stories about him but he was so close to my senior class. He ended up. We had a one semester lessons in wonder class my senior year. That is almost a children's literature class. It's revisiting books. We read the Little Prince, we read the lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe from the Chronicles of Narnia, all these classics that you read when you're a kid. And we sort of revisited them and looked back on them and thought about why that's so important in fairy tales and all that. And he loved that class. He loved teaching that class so much and it was so chaotic and so fun and it was our second semester, senior year, we had almost made it through and just to have this teacher that we had known for so long, since we were in seventh grade, I think and to have him in this context and then to know that he came from Hillsdale and that he had the same education that I'm getting now or really similar is so rewarding and it's an interesting to see that he was a huge part of this campus, or not a huge part, but he was a definite part of this campus and made an impact on a lot of alumni that I don't necessarily know is really funny. And it's really cool to see the network there of people that I'm now connected to as being a part of Hillsdale that I wasn't necessarily before.

[C]

Vivian Stewart is from Atlanta, Georgia, a freshman now at Hillsdale College and formerly at Atlanta Classical Academy. Vivian, thanks so much for joining us here on the Hillsdale College K12 Classical Education Podcast. I'm Scott Bertram. We invite you to like us on Facebook search for Hillsdale College K12 classical education. You also can follow us on Instagram hillsdalek12. That's hillsdalek12 on Instagram. Thank you for listening to The Hillsdale College K12 classical education podcast, part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network. More at Podcast Hillsdale Edu or wherever you get your audio.