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Scott Bertram
Every week, Hillsdale College president Larry Arn joins Hugh Hewitt to discuss great books, great men and great ideas. This is Hillsdale Dialogues, part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network. More episodes at Podcast Hillsdale. Edu or wherever you find your audio.
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Hugh Hewitt
Morning Gloria and Evening Grace. Hello, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. That music means, as it does every Friday, the last radio hour of the week, the last broadcast hour of the week is the Hillsdale Dialogue. All things Hillsdale can be found at hillsdale. Edu. All of our dialogues, hundreds of them@hughforhillsdale.com and my guest is, as most times, Dr. Larry Arn, President of Hillsdale College. And we are back deep into this book, the Gathering Storm by Winston Churchill, the first volume in his six volume history of World War II. Dr. Arn, I hope you are well. I hope school has gotten off to a good start. And we are off to a good start on this. We're in chapter three, lurking Dangers. When you begin a school year, are you looking around for lurking dangers or you're just enjoying yourself?
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Larry Arn
No. Well, I'm in Washington right now. I had to leave, but I refused to travel in the first 10 days of school because Hillsdale College is happier than Disneyland. We have my life. Those weeks are planning the year with the staff talking to the freshmen about the honor code and then the seniors. The first of four capstone lectures. And the stark difference between a freshman and a senior is very obvious and fun. Freshmen are easy to talk.
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Hugh Hewitt
What was the capstone lecture about? The first one?
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Larry Arn
Well, it's a. The capstone lectures are part of our core curriculum and they're three years old now and they're still a work in progress. But what seems to work the best is to talk to them about ultimate aims they don't want. They're seniors now, so, I mean, first of all, you can say anything to a freshman because whatever you say, they haven't heard it before. Okay? But to the seniors, you don't want to insult their lofty elevation, so you don't repeat the arguments about what the liberal arts are, stuff like that. We're all about that here, but everybody understands it too. So I talked to them about how to be. The first lecture is what to do with your last year. And what I say is, you've been drinking from a fire hose, you've gotten into a major. You've got much more specific knowledge about the major than other things. But the actual hardest challenge is to put it all together. Why is it coherent? Why is this chosen? And that's they, they, they. And, you know, it's a. The senior class is split in two. So I. I taught the first half of this term and the second half of the next term, and they, you know, like, I. I began with a story about a freshman who's a physics major and who's very advanced. I had talked to him in the dining hall the other day, and he said that he came. I said, why'd you come here? And he said, well, I came here because the physics program is strong, and also I want to study the liberal arts. And of course, when I said that to the seniors, they all laughed because they anticipated my question. I said, so physics is not among the. The liberal arts. And, you know, he immediately grows doubtful. And then, you know, the next question is, what is physics? And, you know, he's a. He's a physics nerd. I've since learned he's, you know, particularly smart, and he wants to study physics, and he's been studying physics. And I said, what is it? And that's the hardest question. So I asked them what physics is. The seniors, right, and there's a young man, the man. He's a man now named Devin Foley, and he was in the first class I ever taught. He lives in Minneapolis, and he's a very successful man now, but he was very unruly as a kid, and darned if there isn't Jack Foley, his son, in the capstone course this term. And so, you know, that makes you feel like an old man, but. And Jack is terribly like his dad. And so I said, what's physics? And, you know, when you try to define something, you want to say what you think about it, what it does, where it comes from. And, you know, those are all part of a definition of anything. But what is the thing? What is its essence? That's Socrates question, right? T este. What is that thing? And so Jack starts talking this. I'm recounting my lecture the other. Other night, which was particularly fun. And. Oh, and the one who asked the best question gets to drive the cyber truck. So there's. So there's competition, you know. Anyway, he offered one. I said, okay, that's something. It does. And then the next one, you know, but, you know, what is it you say? Physics is the study of something. It is an academic subject, but I'm asking you to study a poet. And, you know, so we just went there, and by now everybody's laughing, and it was very. It was a lot of fun. The first two weeks of Hillsdale College are very great fun.
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Hugh Hewitt
Your Friend Robert Barron introduced me in his book the Great Story of Israel to a branch of theology which defines God by what he isn't. It's a backwards way of defining. Does that work for you? Physics is not chemistry, Physics isn't. Is that right?
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Larry Arn
But you know, that matters. Like how does Thomas Aquinas, sorry, how does his predecessor Aristotle define God? Well, it does begin with the process of illumination. Can't be this, can't be that. You know, the things eliminated are. It can't have matter in it. God can't be material because matter is imperfect. We're looking for something that's perfect. It can't be moving because things that move have some reason to move. That implies a deficiency. It ends up having to be intellect. And then what's it thinking about? And then you get to the definition. If there were two beings that were eternal and unmoving and unlimited, they would have to be thought deduces Aristotle. And what is it thinking about? Because if there were two such beings and one of them was thinking about earthworms and one of them was thinking about God, the one thinking about God would be superior. And so it's thought thinking itself. That's what God is in Aristotle it is the unmoved mover. All things move in relation to God, toward God. Even in the physics he, he describes how the universe moves and it's the reason we, if we have old fashioned education, might call the planets the prime movers because they move things below and they are moved in response to God. There's a wonderful thing in CS Lewis where he describes and in a book, everyone should read this book, it's called the Discarded Image. It's a section of his, of his Oxford University Press commentary on what is it, 17th century literature. And it began the early chapter is the Model. He says that in the ancient and the medieval world there was a model. And this model I'm describing it right now, it's God and the prime movers. And then he is an instance of showing how this works. He says we have the word influenza because it was thought that when Saturn was proximate to the earth it wasn't good for us, it made us ill. So it was the influence of Saturn. That's what they thought in the ancient and medieval world. And then Lewis interrupts himself kind of and says I confess that I love the model. I love it too. Anybody who hears it's bound to love it. He said and I am aware that it is contrived by minds that are beyond any model. They know it's just a model. And so it's a, you know, it's very profound. Right. Well, well, Aristotle's physics and metaphysics. That's things that it's about. You know, they're very great books.
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Hugh Hewitt
I, I hope you put your capstone lectures on tape. Do you?
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Larry Arn
Yeah, we are doing that now. I noticed, I don't know what we're doing with them, but I noticed that there was a camera in there. And I think cameras follow me around in case I happen to say something good. Yeah. And I think they figure out later what to do with it.
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Hugh Hewitt
That's pretty funny. I hope they keep the camera rolling. 24 7. We can make a reality show out of Hillsdale College. Actually, you can learn everything you need to know about Hillsdale College by going to Hillsdale. Edu Hillsdale. Edu. The application is there, the background on the school, hundreds of years of history. You'll also find Dr. Arn's own podcast where he sits down and conducts the interviews with a variety of people, including, most recently, I think, Erik Prince. You will be amazed what's available absolutely free at Hillsdale. Edu. And for all of our prior dialogues, including those about Winston Churchill's the gathering storm, visit HughForHillsdale.com that's HughForHillsdale.com I'll be right back with Dr. Arndt. Don't go anywhere.
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Podcast Narrator
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Scott Bertram
Hey there, it's Scott Bertram, host of the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour. Anniversaries play a key role in this week's episode. We start with Mark Moyer, William P. Harris, chair of Military history at Hillsdale College. We discuss the legacy and the lessons learned from the Vietnam War 50 years after the fall of Saigon. Meanwhile, the Great Gatsby turns 100 this year. Benedict Whelan from our English department joins us to discuss the themes in that book. And Julianne Hillock, founding principal at Pojo Academy in New Mexico, talks to us about the unique challenges of running a school in a remote part of the country, plus being honored by the Hillsdale College Alumni Association. All that this week on the radio free Hillsdale Hour. Find it at podcast hillsdale. Edu, or wherever you get your audio.
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Hugh Hewitt
Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh hewitt talking with Dr. Larry Aaron about this book, the Gathering Storm. When we went to break, we were talking, however, a little bit of theology. Robert Jastrow, who was a very fine astronomer, physicist, who said, and I'm paraphrasing from memory, that when the physicists and the astronomers finally scale whatever is their Mount Everest, they will crest the top and find the theologians gathered in front of them.
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Larry Arn
Debate. Yes. Yes. Yeah.
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Hugh Hewitt
So the queen of science remains the queen of science. We need to turn to Mr. Churchill in chapter four, Lurking Dangers Doctrine, page 35. It was not until the dawn of the 20th century of the Christian era that war began to enter into its kingdom as the potential destroyer of the human race. Not a jolly way to begin, really, his consideration of the late 20s.
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Larry Arn
Yeah. So this section of this book is a very close repetition of a essay that he wrote in. In 1925 called Shall We All Commit Suicide? And that's a riveting essay. People who think that Churchill sought war has to have to read that essay and also the first volume of the World Crisis, which we read on our show. And that thought from 19. He's writing this in 1947. 6. 7. So 20 years earlier, he had written something very close to this whole passage of the book, but he started writing and thinking about that in his first big speech in Parliament in 1901. He goes into the same themes. And in my own view, you know, it's very difficult to discover where a man. Where and when a man thought of a thing. But this is an abiding thought in Churchill's life, all his life. But I think it started in 1898 at the Battle of Omdurman, because he saw machine guns tear up a bigger army without loss to the British army, which was defending a position slightly entrenched with gunboats and artillery and machine guns. And the dervish army, they were called, Arab radicals, were charging across open ground. And Churchill saw that, saw them coming, and said they seemed to have no sense of the tragedy that was impending because they began, you know, so. And then shall we all commit suicide. Churchill draws out what he thinks is a moral problem with technological warfare, which is that warfare has always required courage, a virtue. But if it's just technical, how much does it require? We now know that the need for courage has not gone away. But it's also true, however, that it's not just trying the hardest and be the Closest and being the most willing to sacrifice. It's also, what kind of gear have you got?
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Hugh Hewitt
It's rare that you'll find a general at the front, much less the leader of the entire expedition. That essay you mentioned, Churchill quotes on page 38 of the Gathering Storm. He prophesied in 1925 about a bomb the size of an orange that could destroy millions and about poison and chemical warfare. He said only the first chapter has been written in a terrible book. So he's very clear eyed after World War II that it isn't over, it's going to get worse. And he's seen that bomb, right? He wasn't in government when that bomb was dropped, but he's seen that bomb. He knew about it throughout the entire war, did he not? I had to have known about everything having to do with the atomic bomb.
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Larry Arn
Well, there was an alliance between Britain and America to develop the atomic bomb which we basically took over because we spent a ton of money on it that Britain didn't have in the war. But the initial experiments, I mean, first of all, they started in Germany mostly where physicists were putting together the knowledge that led to the atomic bomb. And it comes into the west as a war measure because Albert Einstein wrote a letter to Franklin Roosevelt. He wasn't actually the one working on this, but he, he was the most famous scientist in the world. And so they, those who were, went to him, a lot of them were Jews and they had a particular reason in addition to the universal reason that we all have not to like Adolf Hitler. And so Einstein said they're working on something and it could be devastating and you need to know about it, you need to do something about it. So that I don't remember when that was, but that's early in the war.
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Hugh Hewitt
Well, striking in this, striking is his sympathy for Germany and I was unprepared for that. In these post World War I years, Churchill writes, I coined the maxim the redress of the vanquished should precede the disarmament of the victors. Is this the Marshall Plan nested in a book that he wrote before Marshall delivered the Marshall Plan. I mean he's really concerned with defeated countries.
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Larry Arn
Well, what are his four mottos? At the beginning of this book? There was war resolution and peace, Goodwill and victory, magnanimity and defeat, Defiance and magnanimity. Right. And you know, after the Boer War, Churchill is very given to saluting his enemies. And, and I think I, I think I know why that was. I think he proves it a thousand times. He thought it would be better if everybody would get along. And so he was always trying to lay the ground for peace. And, and so, you know, that terrible, first of all, he worked like a, like a vulgar boatman to try to get some arrangement with Germany before the First World War. They couldn't do it. And then he tried to win it, tried to win it at the cheapest possible cost. And then when it was over, he tried to make a generous peace and that was a failure. He couldn't. It's probable that nobody could, by the way, because when that terrible thing happened, the First World War, like the Second World War, the animosities are very deep. You know, I mean, my wife's grandfather, my wife's father, he had a very distinguished war in the First World War, my wife's father in the Second World War. But by report, my wife's grandfather was shattered by fighting in those trenches. He was never the same man he was in all three battles of Ypres. Those were terrible battles. And, you know, the body count was very high and the conditions in which they lived were just terrible. Churchill describes that eloquently in the first volume of the World Crisis, which we read. And so it wasn't a forgiving mood.
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Hugh Hewitt
But there are people in Germany who don't want to be forgiven. We'll pause right there. There are people in Germany who don't want to be forgiven. That is part of not the first volume of the World Crisis, which is about World War I, but in the first volume of Churchill's memoir of World War II, the title of which is the Gathering Storm. We'll be right back continuing our conversation about the Gathering Storm. It will take us most of the year to get through this and it's a very good investment of your time. Please go back through all the Hillsdale dialogue if you've missed the first few parts of this series, hugh for hillsdale.com and of course, everything Hillsdale at Hillsdale, Eduardo, including. You can sign up for the newsletter Imprimis completely free, a speech digest that comes out once a month at Hillsdale Edu look for the Imprimis button, sign up and get it sent to you old fashioned style in the US Mail. Stay tuned. I'm Hugh Hewitt. I'll be Back right with Dr. Arne. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Dr. Larry Arn is my guest on the Hillsdale Dialogue this week talking about this book, the Gathering storm, which covered 1929 to about 1939. I am amazed at how much I don't know about the interwar period. The genius of General von Seekt s e c k t or sect. From 1921 forward, he is planning and hiding the next German army. He was ruthlessly expunging false doctrines from World War I. He insisted that the main principle be the need for the closest cooperation on all the machine gun, trench mortar, Tommy gun units, anti tank weapon, army air squadrons and much else were to be blended. Von Sacht sounds a lot like the people who came up with the Goldwater Nichols Department of Defense Reorganization act in 1986. They wanted everything to be joint. And jointness now defines the American military. But this is in 1921. It's three years after they've been reduced to 100,000 men in an army of seven divisions. But he started planning on an army of 63 in 1921. It's remarkable.
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Larry Arn
Well, they were. They were building training grounds and weapons, including aviation, which was military. Aviation was forbidden to them. Not. Not just not having military airplanes, but not having military flyers. And a lot of that training went on in the Soviet Union, you know, and they were, you know, of course, bitter enemies and, you know, fell out inevitably at the end. Well, after. In the second, second full year of the war. But they were tyrants in cahoots. And, you know, the army, they helped to fund the career of Adolf Hitler. They helped make the National Socialist Party what it became.
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Hugh Hewitt
We're going to come to that next week in the chapter on Hitler. But I want to ask a little bit about this building, page 44. Churchill, Wright. U Boats were illicitly built and their officers and men trained in other countries. Well, who in the world would let the defeated Germans build U boats? They were the great. They were what brought World war. The United States into World War I with U boats. Do you have any idea who it is? He does not footnote that. He doesn't tell me what the countries are.
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Larry Arn
I don't know. But, you know, there were. It would have been somebody along the sea, right?
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Hugh Hewitt
Yeah.
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Larry Arn
Russia. Russia hurting for ports. But I don't know. And, and. But there were a lot of, you know, I mean, it's a. It's a. It's a very difficult world, right? It always has been. And now it's a very difficult world. Richer and armed to the teeth. So you can always find somebody to help you. I mean, goodness. There have been North Korean soldiers fighting in Ukraine, right?
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Hugh Hewitt
And as we speak, as we record this, there's a big military parade in China where they're showing off lasers and death machines. And the people in attendance are modi and Kim Jong Un and Putin. And the one that worries me about that is Modi.
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Larry Arn
Oh, yeah. And see, that's, you know, it's, it, you know, one of you, you know, study the diplomacy of the Second World War. You know, the strongest power has, it gains adherence because they're the strongest. People flock up to them. And, and, you know, the situation of India right now is terribly important. And, you know, we have, we have a, we have a student from India this year, and we have developed some relations with India. I don't know how far they're going to go, but I think India is terribly important because of two things. They're very populous and they elect their government. And they're growing, they're young, they're having babies. And so, you know, they've always been close to Russia because Pakistan, which was split off from India and is more Muslim and India is more Hindu, although there are Muslims and Hindus in both countries. Pakistan's always been close to China. And so for India, it's not astonishing that India would be close to Russia. They have been that since their independence, 1948. But now China, and that's worrisome.
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Hugh Hewitt
Very, very worrisome. We'll talk more about that when we come back. The debate over India is covered extensively in the Gathering Storm. Again, this is the newest edition of it, but there are lots of used editions over at Amazon, Barnes and Noble Book and a used bookstore. You can get a used one and follow along. It's a fabulous, terrific read. And this is just the first of six volumes, the Gathering Storm. For the previous conversations that Dr. Arnold and I have held about the Gathering storm, go to HughForHillsdale.com where all the hundreds of Hillsdale dialogues are collected@hugh4hillsdale.com Stay tuned.
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Scott Bertram
Hey there, it's Scott Bertram, host of the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour. Anniversaries play a key role in this week's episode. We start with Mark Moyer, William P. Harris of military history at Hillsdale College. We discuss the legacy and the lessons learned from the Vietnam War 50 years after the fall of Saigon. Meanwhile, the Great Gatsby turns 100 this year. Benedict Whelan from our English department joins us to discuss the themes in that book. And Julianne Hillock, founding principal at Pojo Academy in New Mexico, talks to us about the unique challenges of running a school in a remote part of the country, plus being honored by the Hillsdale College Alumni Association. All that this week on the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour. Find it at podcast hillsdale Edu or Wherever you get your audio. On the new episode of the Larry Arn Show, Hillsdale College President Larry P. Arn sits down with pastor, professor and author Kevin DeYoung for a one on one conversation.
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Kevin DeYoung
A lot of political theory has to start, you know, as a Christian with Jesus saying, give me the coin whose face is on Caesar's. Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God's the things that are God's. Well, that gives some kind of, to use our language, separation of churches. It says that it's not identical and it says not just that you need to give taxes to Caesar because Caesar has a certain realm, but in saying render to God the things that are God's, it says Caesar doesn't have, doesn't have everything. Caesar doesn't have control over your life.
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Scott Bertram
Listen to this exclusive interview with Kevin DeYoung right now, only available on the Larry Arn Show. Find it on the Hillsdale College Podcast Network at Podcast Hillsdale. Edu also at Apple podcasts Spotify and YouTube and subscribe to receive new episodes delivered right to your device. That's Podcast Hillsdale. Edu.
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Hugh Hewitt
Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. The Hilltale dialogue underway with Dr. Larry Arn. We're talking about India and China and foreign policy and Dr. Arne, Donald Trump's role in all of this.
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Larry Arn
Trump wants to win the war in Ukraine at the cheapest possible cost. And India is a big customer of Russia because they need energy from Russia. And so he just whacked a bunch of tariffs on them and he's controlling student visas from there. And so India, you know, which is thought very highly of Trump is, you know, I just had a bunch of Indians a few months ago here, Indian school teachers coming to learn about how we run classical schools in America. But this is very disturbing to them, right? And it raises the obvious question, which is this question is written all over this first volume of Churchill's Second World War. Are we actually strong enough to make friends and keep them? And you know, there are some people that sort of have to side with us because they don't have anywhere else to go. But then there's a lot that are in some middle position and if we weaken further, one will see them scurrying away.
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Hugh Hewitt
Well, this is the danger of rose colored glasses. Winston Churchill at the end of chapter C said the League of Nations took over from the Allies the task of monitoring disarmament and they failed. And then he admits that by the time he Left office in 1929, not to return until 1939, key point for all those people who hate Churchill out there in these days. Churchill had no power from 1929 to 1939 except what he could say from the backbenches of Parliament. But he admits he had rose colored glasses on too. It is a temptation for everyone, isn't it, Dr. Arne, to put on rose colored glasses.
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Larry Arn
Yeah. And you know, there's always something urgent. Right. I had breakfast this morning in the home of the residents of the British ambassador with my friend James Orr, who's from Cambridge Don, and He's close to J.D. vance. He's a Cambridge don and he's heading up a think tank associated with Nigel Farage. So I'm keeping crazy company. But the British ambassador is Lord Mandelson, who was a right hand man of Tony Blair and he's a labor guy. And we just had a fun breakfast. It was, you know, 10 people there and, and we just talked at large. And he wanted, you know, Mandelson, who's, you know, very astute. Tony Blair was a very astute prime minister, even if I didn't like him. And he was astute, by the way, in some of the ways that Bill Clinton was astute. He good at figuring out the temper of the times and trimming to build a majority. And so that's what Mandelson is doing now as ambassador to our country because we're important to them and you know, and they need to get their house in order so they can be more important to us. And I want that for, you know, my wife and the legacy of Winston Churchill and love for our country. So anyway, that, that you see that this is like that, right? We're talking about India and China and Russia and Ukraine and Western Europe. And.
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Hugh Hewitt
I assume Israel came up. I assume Israel came up because Europe is turning its back collectively on Israel. But before we end this week, we go to Hitler next week I want to ask you about Herr Rathenau, who is a brilliant man, the head of the German Reconstruction Ministry after the war, doing a great job, but he was a Jew and he was murdered by anti Semites in 1922. And Churchill writes about the nascent Nazi secret societies who had fastened their hatred upon this Jew. Germany's faithful anti Semitism is back in the United States on both the left and the right. It never left Germany, apparently, even after devastating defeat in World War I. I'll ask you again next week. Where does it come from in Germany?
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Larry Arn
Well, it's central to Hitler's doctrine. Well, the old days. It comes from you know, Luther wrote some unfortunate things, but, you know, they, the Jews are Hitler's case, it's just an exaggeration of the deal, but in Hitler's case, it's partially true. Hitler was a great believer in the Volk, the folk right and the German folk and the Aryans right and our nation. He was a National Socialists. You know, if you compare that to communists in practice, it's a distinction without a difference because Stalin was very nationalistic too. But, and so here's a transnational people, here's the people who were defeated in the ancient world, and yet they have persisted as a singular and distinct people. And that's, you know, there's hardly any precedent for that.
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Hugh Hewitt
Indeed there isn't. We'll come back to that. A singular and distinct people of extraordinary achievement. Not a little of jealousy mixed up in the Fuhrer's disordered, twisted, mentally diseased mind, as is explained by Winston Churchill in the Gathering Storm. It's a book you really need to understand and understand what happened in Europe from Hitler's accession to power in 1933 until he launched the war in 1939 in. Winston Churchill was, of course, not in power to anything he could have stopped. It was not able to do so. More with Dr. Arne coming up after the break. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Dr. Larry Orn is my guest. When we went to break, we were talking about how the Jews figured into the 1930s in Europe. And it's a tragic tale, but it does not in any way diminish the role of the Jews in history. No. Walker Percy used to write, I'll stop believing in God when somebody explains the Jews to me. And I've always thought that was kind of a good one liner for belief in God.
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Larry Arn
And see, Churchill was a friend of the Jews, as I believe good people should be. And that doesn't mean you have to support them when they do wrong, if they do wrong. But they are, you know, so Churchill, you know, Leo Strauss and political philosophy guy, who's, I guess my intellectual grandfather, and Churchill wrote very similar things about the west, about what it is. And they both styled it as a confluence of two universals that are different. And one is universal philosophy born in Athens, and one is universal monotheism born in Jerusalem, by the way, universal monotheism much earlier than universal philosophy, what 2500-3000 BC is Abraham and all that and 450 BC is Socrates. But those two things coming together are what make the West. And according to Strauss and Winston Churchill, he's, we're going to come across the passage, it's in this book where Churchill talks about the Jews and the Greeks. He says the really amusing thing about the, the Jews. He says, wherever there are three Jews, there are two prime ministers and one leader of the opposition. And, and he, he admires that about them, right? They're, they're, they're an argumentative people. And so that's, you know, he, he, he. And they're one of the fountains of our civilization. Oh, nah.
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Hugh Hewitt
Every first lecture for every con law class I've taught for 30 years is that in order to understand what we're about to learn, you have to know the history of the Jews, the Greeks, the Romans and the British, as well as our own history, or you will be lost. Because Those are the five, the five currents that come into the mighty river that is 20, 25America or whatever year I'm teaching in. Dr. Arm with that, we will leave and remind people that next week we will be picking up chapter five, part five in this series, Chapter four, actually, about the aforementioned Hitler, because Churchill devoted an entire chapter to the little corporal and did so with no sympathy, but great accuracy. So do not miss that. Come back next week. We'll be doing chapter four in this book, the World Crisis. You've got plenty of time to catch up. It's a magnificent reading. Go and get it. You'll learn so much. Every single page. You'll learn something. In fact, every single page understates it because it's. There are many things. You should see my annotated paperback copy. It's ridiculous. Go get the Gathering storm. Go listen to the previous Hillsdale dialogues about it over@q for hillsdale.com. remember everything hillsdaleillsdale.
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Scott Bertram
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Larry Arn
Eduardo.