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Episode Title: The United States and Latin America: A Turbulent History
Host: Danny Byrd
Guest: Greg Grandin, Peter V. and C. Vann Woodward Professor of History at Yale University
Date: January 30, 2026

Main Theme

This episode explores the long, complex, and often fraught relationship between the United States and Latin America. Historian Greg Grandin traces the evolution of engagement, influence, and intervention from the post-independence era through the age of empire, Cold War, and into the late-20th century’s war on drugs—highlighting changing US motives, tactics, and regional perceptions along the way.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Origins of the US-Latin America Relationship

• "Backyard" – Historical Attitude or Myth?
  • The perception of Latin America as the “backyard” of the US is not timeless.
  • At the time of US founding, the region was Spanish America under colonial rule. Early US leaders, like Jefferson, saw Spain's potential decline as an opportunity for American gain, not yet as a neighborly relationship with republics.

    "As an historian, we don't like to use the word always because every historical phenomenon is historical. It has a particular beginning." (Greg Grandin, 03:22)

• The US transitioned from dealing with a decaying empire (Spain) to navigating the emergence of independent republics after the Spanish-American wars for independence (early 19th century).
  • The Monroe Doctrine (1823) marked a shift to hemispheric diplomacy among new nation-states.

2. Expansionism and Early Intervention

• Expansionist impulses date back to colonial days, with westward movement shaping American ambitions.
• The 1763 Proclamation Line by the British (restricting colonial expansion) fuelled revolutionary fervor, alongside more familiar issues like taxation and slavery.
• Acquisition of territory (from the Mississippi River to the Pacific) was a continual goal, culminating in events like the Louisiana Purchase and Mexican-American War.

  "There was a push west and of course, the Louisiana Purchase, then Andrew Jackson's Indian Removal... and then the annexation of Texas in the 1840s and the Mexican American War pretty much filled out the continent for the United States." (Greg Grandin, 08:49)

3. Methods of US Influence: Not Just Coups

• The US’s first regime change operation in Latin America was in the 1820s, orchestrating a coup in Mexico via networks of Freemason lodges.

  "So that was the first incident in the 1820s in which the US actually effectively carried out a form of regime change." (Greg Grandin, 09:31)

• Economic methods:
  • Gunboat diplomacy to force trade treaties upon South American nations.
  • US capital flooded post-Civil War Mexico, dominating infrastructure and resources, making the Mexican Revolution (1910) an anti-corporate revolt.
• Identity formation:
  • The term “Latin America” originated in opposition to US and British “Saxon” aggression and intervention.

4. Criteria for US Support and Opposition

• Consistency hinged on cooperation and stability, with later rationalizations invoking democracy or human rights.

  "They back the countries that are cooperating with US interests, whatever they are at the time... Another criteria is stability and with it comes the ability to protect US property relations." (Greg Grandin, 17:18)

• The Spanish-American War (1898) was a watershed, shifting motives from naked interest to humanitarian rhetoric.

  "That intervention was one of the first that was done in the name of humanitarian rights." (Greg Grandin, 18:47)

5. The Cold War—A Major Break and Intensification

• US-Latin America relations underwent a profound transformation from FDR’s “Good Neighbor” policy (favoring sovereignty, supporting local economic nationalism) to a hard anti-communist line post-1947.
• US wartime investment built Latin American militaries to fight fascism; afterwards, those same tools were redirected against the left.

  "In 1947, basically Washington sends a clear signal that the fight is no longer against fascism, it's against your old allies, the communists." (Greg Grandin, 21:57)

• The abrupt and often violent switch sparked cycles of internal polarization and repressive regimes.

6. Latin American Views of the US: Model and Menace

• Perceptions have varied by class, era, and personal disposition.
• Early reformers admired US dynamism but doubted their societies could replicate it due to entrenched hierarchies.
• Intellectuals like Francisco Bilbao saw the US as "Sparta" to Latin America's "Athens," with dependency theory emerging as a major critique.

  "A lot of the critique of the United States was rooted in this notion that the United States was part of a system of exploitation." (Greg Grandin, 28:19)

7. Case Study: Fidel Castro and Generational Perceptions

• Castro’s evolution from U.S. admirer (writing as a boy to FDR offering resources) to adversary highlights the postwar shift in US engagement.

  "When he was a young boy, he sent FDR a letter and he offered up all of Cuba's iron ore in order to build ships for World War II." (Greg Grandin, 29:41)

• The younger generation (post-1947) recognized quickly that US ideals of Pan-American partnership had been supplanted by aggressive anti-communism.

8. The Drug War: New Excuses, Old Patterns

• Declared in 1973 by Nixon, the “War on Drugs” became a permanent, bipartisan rationale for intervention, with early operations in Mexico echoing Vietnam-era militarization.

  "The DEA worked with the Mexican military and Mexican police to carry out something like a scorched earth campaign." (Greg Grandin, 32:02)

• The DEA operated with less scrutiny than CIA or FBI, while repressive regimes frequently played roles as both drug producers and ostensible enforcers against the trade.

9. The Two Main Threads in US-Latin American Relations

• Latin America’s dual function for the US:
  1. Socialization: It has repeatedly imposed limits on US expansion and required moral or political reckoning about the use of power.
  2. Workshop: The region serves as a proving ground for US political, economic, and military innovations and coalitions—from the New Deal to Reagan-era conservatism.

  "Latin America, to go back to your original question, serves these two functions. One, it socializes the United States and... it also serves as a kind of workshop for rising ascendant political coalitions to work out their tactics to become governing hegemonic coalitions." (Greg Grandin, 38:24)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the word Latin America and intervention:

  "It's exactly in the politics of intervention and the experience of intervention where Latin America identifies itself as Latin in opposition to... Saxon America."
  (Greg Grandin, 13:47)

• On FDR’s transformative policy:

  "FDR and the New Deal is not just a kind of political experiment that's taking place within the United States, but that there's a continental New Deal..."
  (Greg Grandin, 20:37)

• On the war on drugs:

  "From that point forward, the war on drugs becomes its own logic. It's kind of outside the purview of politics. Nobody really criticizes the DEA the way they criticize, say, the CIA or the FBI."
  (Greg Grandin, 32:55)

• On Latin America’s teaching role:

  "Latin America shows the United States that there are limits... the complexities of the hemisphere as it is."
  (Greg Grandin, 34:15)

Important Segment Timestamps

• Origin of "Backyard" Concept and Early US Attitudes:
  [03:13] – [05:29]
• Expansion and Early US Interventions:
  [05:44] – [09:07]
• Means of Influence (Coups, Economic Domination):
  [09:20] – [14:42]
• Criteria for US Support/Opposition:
  [17:00] – [19:52]
• Cold War Shift and its Impacts:
  [20:05] – [26:15]
• Latin American Perceptions of the US:
  [26:38] – [29:29]
• Fidel Castro Case Study:
  [29:36] – [30:58]
• The War on Drugs:
  [31:11] – [33:49]
• Overarching Patterns and Contemporary Reflections:
  [34:03] – [38:43]

Flow & Tone

Greg Grandin’s conversation is richly detailed but accessible, blending analytical commentary with narrative storytelling and occasional wry humor. The interviewer, Danny Byrd, poses broad questions that allow Grandin to draw sweeping connections while grounding abstract historical trends in vivid examples. The tone is intellectual but not esoteric, and the discussion is unflinching, often critical of US motives and outcomes, while remaining historically nuanced.

Conclusion

This episode offers listeners a comprehensive, critical, and engaging overview of US-Latin America relations. It highlights how cycles of intervention, economic entanglement, and ideological battlegrounds have alternately shaped and been shaped by both US domestic politics and Latin American responses, with legacies that persist into contemporary policies and perceptions.