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Chris Distefano
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Yannis Pappas
Welcome to the History Hyenas podcast. We're talking about Benjamin Franklin. Was he good father? Was he a bad father? He probably was a bad father because he's. He didn't even go back for his wife's funeral because he was in France banging dudes.
Chris Distefano
We're having a population problem right now in the west because women want to have lives.
Yannis Pappas
That's what it is.
Chris Distefano
Stop that.
Yannis Pappas
That's what it is. And that's why I'm welcoming Islam.
Chris Distefano
Me too.
Yannis Pappas
Because they don't allow the women to have lives.
Chris Distefano
Inshallah.
Yannis Pappas
Kidding. We're not going to do any type of that kind of material. We're not going to do it.
Chris Distefano
It's so tempting. It's hard to resist. We're not like a chocolate schoon.
Yannis Pappas
We're not going to do it. Today we're going to talk about the history of the Rat pack. Sammy Davis Jr. Frank Sinatra.
Chris Distefano
No Muslims there.
Yannis Pappas
No Muslims. Although they probably did make fun of Sammy Davis Jr.
Chris Distefano
Yes, they did. They actually would make tons of jokes back then. I watched one clip where Dean Martin says, how does it feel sitting at the back of the bus?
Yannis Pappas
It's what it is. Yeah. I mean, cuz, make no mistake, Sammy Davis Jr. Sound like a black Jew. He's like Amari Stoudemire.
Chris Distefano
He did sound like a black Jew. And I mean, man, it must have taken a lot of time to do his hair.
Yannis Pappas
His hair is gorgeous.
Chris Distefano
He had to straighten his hair like my wife every morning.
Yannis Pappas
There was a girl who. One of my friends banged a black girl in college and he said he went down on her and she had styled pubes and they used to call her Sammy Davis.
Chris Distefano
Laughable game.
Yannis Pappas
That was her name in college. I used to call her SDJ. Sammy Davis Jr. If you went to my college, you know who you are.
Chris Distefano
Can you imagine going over Sammy Davis Jr's house and there's just hair rollers at the sink, like my wife, and towels. My wife always leaves her hair roller or whatever it is, a blow dryer on my side of the bathroom.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
And that would have been Savvy Davis Jr's bathroom. Him and his wife had to do their hair at the same time.
Yannis Pappas
It's what it is now, the Rat Pack. This was an interesting one to learn about. And I'm going to be completely honest with you. I learned all about the history of the FDNY because I got our text chain mixed up. And that is actually. The FDNY is actually the episode we're going to be doing for our live history Hyenas podc, which was yesterday, by the time you heard this.
Chris Distefano
That's right.
Yannis Pappas
Wednesday, November 12th. Crown Hill Theater, Brooklyn. So I did not learn about the Rap Pack. The only thing I know about the Rat Pack is my grandpa used to listen to it and used to listen to that. And Connie Francis. I know a lot about Connie Francis.
Chris Distefano
Now, when you say your grandfather used to listen to it, was it at your mother's home or his other home? No, it was at.
Yannis Pappas
Well, no, not that grandfather. Oh, okay. This is my step grandfather who came in and was my actual grandfather, but he used to listen to the Rat Pack a lot.
Chris Distefano
And it was.
Yannis Pappas
We would drink, drive through Williamsburg, and he would be blasting some type of Frank Sinatra song. Not. Not actively trying to get out of the way of crossing Hasidic Jews.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Yannis Pappas
He wouldn't. He would not hit them, but he wouldn't necessarily slow down the car.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. I think when we were kids, the older generation used to play a game called a Hasidic Frogger.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
I actually think that's how Frogger got invented, was just guys trying to just get through.
Yannis Pappas
Jews. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
They're always in the street, and they're always. They always got strollers. There's just babies hanging off those things like spiders.
Yannis Pappas
It's just what it is. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
You ever look at the. The belly of a spider? It's got, like a million. Or a crab.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
It's all these Babels hanging out. It just reminds me of Hasidic Jews now.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Now they're out reproducing us because our ladies want careers. Ladies, get back into the bedroom in the kitchen. Yeah. You're a baby machine.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
14.
Yannis Pappas
I agree. I think that. I think that this is the main problem. But, guys, I got to be honest with you. I got to be honest with you. Today, I. I wasn't feeling cute, but then I saw you walking and. Cause you are dressed like a string bean. And I like it.
Chris Distefano
I'm in all green today, and I got fall colors now.
Yannis Pappas
You look like you're fighting in a cute war now.
Chris Distefano
I don't know what you said to me. As soon as I saw you, you said I have to get. I have to clean up my leaves. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yannis Pappas
I was talking to you about the leaves because it's fall here in the northeast and I have a lot of leaves.
Chris Distefano
I was talking to a guy who's been up since 4:30 in the morning who had to do a little request.
Yannis Pappas
I had to do a little required reading. I'm in the program and on the. So I had to do a little required reading because I have to get up at 4:30 in the morning if I want to exercise. If I want to read, I have to do it. And it's also good for me to go downstairs in the kitchen alone and be the first one there in the pitch black dark and turn the lights on. That's a big thing for me because I wasn't able to do that. Usually I would have to do my reading and my workouts. I would do it in the bedroom because at least I knew Jasmine was nearby.
Chris Distefano
It's called exposure therapy.
Yannis Pappas
That's what it is.
Chris Distefano
It's called if you have a little fear, it's exposure therapy. Now I watched Black Friday Phone 2 in the basement by myself last night. Now that's just something you're not at the level that you can achieve yet.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, I watched Black Phone as well. It was. It's called the Wire.
Chris Distefano
Cuz we're talking about the Rat Pack today.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, we're talking about the Rat Pack.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, it was four whites and a black.
Yannis Pappas
And I gotta be honest with you, some of you on patreon, we love patreon.comhistory.
Chris Distefano
How many times is Pat gonna come.
Yannis Pappas
In and out of here? It's called Pat's a rat. What are you. Pat, you doing? Either fix your shoulder or get the out of here.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, well, guys, I adjusted the camera one time and then I forgot my memory card in here, so I just had to. Burner's calling. I'm sorry guys. Yeah. What does Paige Desorpo smell like.
Yannis Pappas
On the Patreon? I'm gonna tell the fans who pat it. Sex.
Chris Distefano
Actually. Actually, what does she smell like?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, she smells like the most beautiful.
Chris Distefano
Flower bed in like the wizard of Oz. Like and like then you feel like.
Yannis Pappas
You'Re high on opiates.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, that's what it is. That's why I would.
Yannis Pappas
I want to. Yeah, I want a sticker inside Jeff Goldb Ass way song.
Chris Distefano
She romantic.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Now do you want to in here?
Chris Distefano
Do you want to do the Rat Pack as Pat Mulroney and Sean Terry? So we could combine the FDY and the Rat Pack. What do you want to do?
Yannis Pappas
I think. Well, what I want to do is cancel the live show. I don't want to do it.
Chris Distefano
We have a live show coming up in two days.
Yannis Pappas
We have no idea what we're doing.
Chris Distefano
We're going to do the fdny, the.
Yannis Pappas
History of the fdny and we got to drive all the way to Brooklyn.
Chris Distefano
We're going to come out in fire hats.
Yannis Pappas
We're going to come out in fire hats. Well, I'm going to come out in a surprise, surprise costume to.
Chris Distefano
Do you want to get fucking blasted before the show like a couple of FDNY guys on a day off?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, I want to get absolutely wrecked. I really do want to get absolutely hammered. On Wednesday at the Crown Hill Theater in Brooklyn. I want to get. And I want to fist fight a fan.
Chris Distefano
Let's do that.
Yannis Pappas
We do it.
Chris Distefano
That's happening at Skank Fest. I think that Lewis has trademarked that.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, he just fist fights a fan.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, he fist fights a fan. I think only they can do that. It's trademarked.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris Distefano
We could. We could fuck a fan. A guy fan.
Yannis Pappas
I would do that.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, a guy fan. I would think there's a power dynamic there.
Yannis Pappas
No, I would do that. I would have sex with one of our very handsome guy fans. Yeah, you just.
Chris Distefano
You have to watch for the power dynamic. Yeah. It's got to be equal playing field.
Yannis Pappas
Because now, speaking of equal playing fields, the New York Giants suck.
Chris Distefano
The New York Giants really do suck. They can't get it together.
Yannis Pappas
They can't get it together. Jackson Dart is a hottie with a body who's got a concussion. The jets are. Were even worse. But now the Giants are worse than the Jets.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. The Giants just are not the Giants right now. They're the Squeaks.
Yannis Pappas
They are the New York Squiki Wiki.
Chris Distefano
That is Squeaks talking to squeaks. Sammy Davis Jr. I mean, he's a kid. You could really toss it to a bullseye. Kid was 5, 6. He used to wear lifts.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, he wore lifts.
Chris Distefano
Is there anything funnier than a guy that wears lifts?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. No. And he. The kid is from Harlem.
Chris Distefano
He's from Harlem. And did you know that Prince used to wear high heels? And then eventually he. His hips started to go just like a German shepherd because he was dancing in his heels.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. It's just what it is.
Chris Distefano
Men are not supposed to wear heels.
Yannis Pappas
Although you threw them on and made a career.
Chris Distefano
I did do that.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
You threw them on and had to get the Chinese food.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, I just. It's what it was.
Chris Distefano
It's what your friends made you do. They made you put on a football helmet and high heels.
Yannis Pappas
The Chinese food, it's called growing up in Ridgewood.
Chris Distefano
It's grown up with. It's called being the sensitive one amongst a group of friends who are not sensitive. So they pick on the sense they pick on.
Yannis Pappas
Now speaking of sensitive, what do you think of these puppies? These are kithies. Are they cute or are they brute?
Chris Distefano
No, those are cute. And it means that you woke up and you're in a deep mood today.
Yannis Pappas
Well, it also means that I Woke up at 4:30 and I tried on seven different pairs of shoes.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, but it also means that you're feeling decent about your weight today.
Yannis Pappas
I feel decent about my weight. Although I did have a bad eating weekend. My ma had me come over yesterday and she made a little nostalgic meal for me. She made me my chicken cutlets that I used that I put Italian dressing on. So my mom got me Ken's Italian Seasoned Dressing, like, you know, Italian dressing bottle. And she made her chicken cutlet, she made macaroni and cheese and then she got me a piece of pie from Rudy's.
Chris Distefano
Just be honest because the first time you went to Carbon you asked if they had steakums on the menu.
Yannis Pappas
No, I don't. I gotta be honest. I'm 100. Honest with you.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Every single restaurant I go into I always see if they got chicken cutlets because I like my mom's chicken cutlets. Even though she makes them in the microwave. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Now she would get home late, sometimes she would have to just open up the box of Stovers and give you the French bread pizza. It's just what it is.
Yannis Pappas
That's what it is. And that's why I think there, like sometimes I'm just in the mood for an Elios pizza. Like you could put me next to Locally's which is the best pizzeria in the world. And if I'm in the mood for Elios, then I'm just going to go to the 99 cent store or the bodega on the corner and just heat up a little Elio's pizza.
Chris Distefano
Now sometimes if your mom was running late from work, did you ever sneak down the neutrals and go get some arroz con pollo?
Yannis Pappas
Sometimes I would sometimes get a little arroz con pollo. Or my aunt would always like to make a nice ham.
Chris Distefano
She liked ham going.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, I would Always have ham and saltine crackers. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
So let's talk about the Rack Pack today. It's a very interesting time in history where there was almost like two Americas happening at the same time. Right. The youth, they were putting on tie dye. They were going like, mom, dummy.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
And then you had the older generation, more classic, more martini, more Vegas, more buttoned up.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
More ballads. Right. Guys singing. This was a time where guys would sing and still be men.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
And they were doing it classy. And they were going Trump 2024.
Yannis Pappas
So. So you have. Let's just say who the Rat Pack was. You had Frank Sinatra, the most famous one. Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr. And then who are the other guys?
Chris Distefano
Joey Bishop.
Yannis Pappas
Who? I don't know. He's not as well known.
Chris Distefano
He was a comic. Yeah. He's not as well known. And then, of course, you had.
Yannis Pappas
This is.
Chris Distefano
Your DEI hire was Peter Lawford. He was the DEI hired because he didn't have a lot of talent. He was just an actor. But Frankie liked him because he married a Ken and he. Frankie was just in. Frankie.
Yannis Pappas
No. But wasn't Sammy Davis Jr. The DEI hire isn't DEI for. About quality.
Chris Distefano
No. Well, I'm making a joke because Sammy Davis Jr. Actually had fucking loads of talent.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, right.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. So Peter Lawford was the. You know, the D. I hire you would make.
Yannis Pappas
I thought Di meant you just get hired. You're not white.
Chris Distefano
It's true. But I was saying. Yeah, they were doing that. But the joke is, with dei, the standard gets lower because people are just getting hired because they're filled quotas. Okay, so you're right. My analogy wasn't perfect because it was a black guy present and you got confused.
Yannis Pappas
It's just what it was. So that's just. You got to just break it down for me.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, I broke it down for you, actually. Sammy Davis Jr. He was one of the main guys, right. I mean, he had some. So much loads of talents. And the kids converted to Judaism.
Yannis Pappas
He did convert to Judaism, right?
Chris Distefano
He did. He was like, you know what? Why not?
Yannis Pappas
Why not?
Chris Distefano
He was. Let me. Let me try everything. The kid only had one eye.
Yannis Pappas
And he did have one eye.
Chris Distefano
He had a glass eye in. And he still knew how to step dance.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
In one eye.
Yannis Pappas
Wow. I never even realized. Realized the kid just had one eye.
Chris Distefano
He had one eye.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
These kids got banged up. Frankie. Frankie Sinatra was in a plane crash. Dean Martin's son died in a plane crash. What's. Sammy Davis Jr. Was in a car crash and lost his eye.
Yannis Pappas
These kids were ever checking on their cholesterol and blood pressure. No, these kids did not.
Chris Distefano
And this is why we live in this era now where it's like, did you listen to Huberman's last? He said you're supposed to have saffron. Did you listen? This celebrity guy who's a psychologist, he says antidepressants aren't that good. All you gotta do is suffer on. Oh, you Gotta take your D3 with your K2. Oh my God. Alcohol's bad. Oh my God. Don't forget to deep breathe. Oh my God. Don't forget to take your A1 shake. These guys fucking woke up at 12. Bang. Hookers raw. And they ate meat and they drank martinis until they dropped. And make no mistake, the two main guys made it till their fucking 80s.
Yannis Pappas
Because you think it goes back to what? But I'm telling you, when I saw those old guys eating the muffin in Salt Lake City, they were sitting around chowing down on muffins and they said they don't stress out about it. My generation stresses out about everything. But they're able to live and eat muffins cuz they're not stressing, dude. But these kids didn't stress.
Chris Distefano
There's no other way to explain it. Because Dean Martin, I mean, dude, he drank liquor like it was water.
Yannis Pappas
All the time.
Chris Distefano
All the time. And he lived, I think till 79. I think Frankie made it to 84, something like that.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Sammy Davis went a little younger because he got, he. The smoking cigarettes got him. He got throat cancer.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
I think Joey Bishop dropped and Peter Lawford dropped because Peter Lawford, he dropped early.
Yannis Pappas
I think it was in. I think it was in the 50s or 60s. He, he dropped in December of 1984, the same year I was born. So it is sad that I only got to share the planet for four months with. With Peter Lawford.
Chris Distefano
Peter Lawford. Now, Peter Lawford was British, so I.
Yannis Pappas
Think he was, you know, guys just looked older. I mean, that guy on the left looks like he's in his mid-90s. But he was in. He was like 55.
Chris Distefano
They did look older back then. Yeah. And you know, he was. Frank was. So it started. The Rat Pack started.
Yannis Pappas
Tell me how it started.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, back then. So I said the two Americas. So you got to think about. There's like, you know, this is happening in like late 50s and then all through the 60s. The 60s was the golden era.
Yannis Pappas
America's golden years are the 50s, 60s and 70s. Yeah, we're number one big yeah.
Chris Distefano
But in the 60s, like, all the kids are starting to, you know, wear, tie, dye, do drugs. Right. Counterculture. And Frankie Sinatra and Dean Martin are just calling them filthy pigs.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Calling them dirt and rats.
Yannis Pappas
Good.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. He just. They hated the hippies. And, you know, they're performing in Vegas and clubs.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
It all starts at Humphrey Bogart's house. Now, Humphrey Bogart was a cool kid. Yeah, he was.
Yannis Pappas
Now, who's Humphrey Bogart? Is he from Sound of Music? No, not sounding music. Gone with the Wind. Who's Humphrey Bogart?
Chris Distefano
Humphrey Bogart was from Gone with the Wind.
Yannis Pappas
He was the main actor of Gone with the Wind. Right.
Chris Distefano
I think he was in Gone with the Wind.
Yannis Pappas
But just let me just say this, too. This is what ego does to us as well. Humphrey Bogart was one of the biggest actors in acting history. Bigger than probably Leonardo DiCaprio was during his time. And probably walked around yelling at everyone. I don't know if he was a nice guy or not. But, you know, probably was like, I'm the man. And then look at all these. Just a few years later, we don't even know who he is. So, like, whatever you're doing in your life, just shut up about it, because it's not actually that important.
Chris Distefano
Yes.
Yannis Pappas
Nobody who does anything really is, because you'll just be lost to time.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Just enjoy it. And just treat people with kindness.
Chris Distefano
Yes. And respect. And just be humble and.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Because it's not that big a deal.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
No matter who you are.
Chris Distefano
Yes. Now, when we were kids, for some reason, if you were smoking a blunt and you passed, you'd say, stop Bogarting that blunt. Now, why was that. Why was Bogart's name that? I think it was like an aggressive thing. Like, you would just take over, you know? Yeah. You're Bogarting. Yeah. Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Don't Bogart that.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. But it had to be based on Humphrey Bogart instead.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, of course.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Because he was a smoke guy. I don't know why. I don't. We could look that up and find out what it was.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Motherfucker. He was cool. Listen. He was the guy.
Yannis Pappas
I didn't pass my blunts along because I didn't want to give people mono.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. You had mono?
Yannis Pappas
I always had mono.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Humphrey was the guy back then. He was cool. Yeah. Right. He was cool. And so the guys would go over his crib and just chill.
Yannis Pappas
So. So this is. So this is the Rat Pack. Starts at Humphrey Bogart's house.
Chris Distefano
It starts at Humphrey Bogart's house. The guys would come over, they'd riff, they drink, they play on the keyboards, they joke around. They'd hang out and just to all hours of the morning. And then one night, they didn't meditate before. They did not do any of that.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
These guys partied hard.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
And they were naughty, and they liked to womanize, and they had big appetites, and it's just what they did.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, this is what it is.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
So the phrase don't Bogart that blunt means don't selfishly. Keep that to yourself. Pass it on. The term Bogart is a slang verb derived from the actor Humphrey Bogart, who was famous for letting a cigarette dangle from the corner of his mouth for long periods in his films without actively smoking it or taking a drag. Wow.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
It's amazing because that got into, like, kids slang, and it's originally from Humphrey Bogart, which is amazing. So you guys just learned something. That's probably the only thing you're gonna learn in this whole first year of history. Hyenas.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. So? And so maybe. Take back what I said, maybe Humphrey Bogart is more famous than I give him credit for.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Because.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Sorry about that.
Chris Distefano
But so at his house, and then his wife one day sees Frankie S. Baby. Frankie S. Baby. Yeah. Dean Martin, baby. Joey Bishop, baby. And Peter Lawford walking, like, at 3 in the morning, baby, coming back from Vegas, and she said, they're rolling in, like, a Rat Pack because they were all hungover and, you know, whatever. On pills, whatever they were doing, baby. So she's actually the one that coined the term Rat.
Yannis Pappas
Rat Pack. Now, how come Don Rickles wasn't in the Rat Pack?
Chris Distefano
Now, the Rat Pack was a set original five, baby. That Frankie. So Bogart was the original leader. Then Bogey dies, baby. And then Frankie takes the Rat Pack, and he says, let's do something with this. Yeah. Frankie's like, let's go tour.
Yannis Pappas
Right? He put the.
Chris Distefano
He was like, let's go to Vegas, baby. Let's do shows, baby. Let's turn this into a thing.
Yannis Pappas
They did numbers with ticket sales, Right?
Chris Distefano
Did numbers, numbers. And it was kind of like. To think about it, it was kind of like the first, like, live podcast. Those guys would go up, they'd riff there wasn't really a script.
Yannis Pappas
They.
Chris Distefano
They'd make up the show before and be, all right, baby, I'm gonna open a baby. But you come out, baby. You rip it, baby. You call me a black, I call you a Jew. We have some.
Yannis Pappas
They would mess with each other like that.
Chris Distefano
Oh, yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Is that where the Dean Martin roast eventually come from?
Chris Distefano
But to answer your question, the rapper.
Yannis Pappas
You answer my question.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, it was the original five, but then there was a lot of moving parts that came in and out of that. Johnny Carson was at one show, like you said, Don Rickles, probably a lot of guys would come in and out. And you know, Marilyn Monroe, they do shows with her. They did shows with all types of people.
Yannis Pappas
Marilyn Monroe will get cracked.
Chris Distefano
Okay, well.
Yannis Pappas
And Sydney Sweeney should play her in a movie about her life in a biopic about Marilyn Monroe.
Chris Distefano
Sydney Sweeney's movie bombed.
Yannis Pappas
Which one was that?
Chris Distefano
I mean, massive bomb opening weekend.
Yannis Pappas
I. Yeah, I don't even know which one.
Chris Distefano
It is. The one called Christy about the female box.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, yeah. Because she's not. She's not sexual. She's not sexy.
Chris Distefano
Exactly.
Yannis Pappas
That's what it is. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Also, I just think, you know, if the movie's not on Amazon, people just.
Yannis Pappas
Are not at the Comedy Cellar last week.
Chris Distefano
Really?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. With her boyfriend, Scooter Braun, because they were watching Schultze. Oh.
Chris Distefano
And that his manager, Scooter Braun, I.
Yannis Pappas
Don'T know, but they were. That's Sydney Sweeney's boyfriend. And supposedly the manager of the comedy seller told me as soon as she got up a. One of the comics, so I won't name, just in case he gets. Gets legally involved with this. But he ran over and sniffed her seat.
Chris Distefano
That's a move.
Yannis Pappas
And I don't know if she knows about that. Is going to sue him, but supposedly it made a lot of people laugh.
Chris Distefano
That's a choice you can make because that's of.
Yannis Pappas
But he, like, dove in and smelled it.
Chris Distefano
Was his last name Destefano?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just took a whip.
Chris Distefano
You got to take a little peek at a sniff.
Yannis Pappas
At a sniff.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. If you can't slurp, you can sniff.
Yannis Pappas
And the joke is on me, though, because I sniffed the wrong seat and I sniffed Scooter Brawn seat.
Chris Distefano
But it is, cuz.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. So she's a certified dime piece, though, now.
Chris Distefano
Now it's one of the worst opening box offices ever.
Yannis Pappas
$1.3 million weekend.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Well, what are you going to do?
Chris Distefano
What are you going to do? I think it has less to do with her than just. Nobody's going to the movies.
Yannis Pappas
No. Yeah, no, I got. I want. I want to go. Well, you saw Black Phone, too, with Ethan Hawke, and you said it sucked.
Chris Distefano
I didn't love it that much. And, yeah, I watched. I rent it. I paid 20 bucks for it.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Just by yourself?
Chris Distefano
Yeah. And I only did it because I wanted to just hear Ethan Hawke's voice.
Yannis Pappas
Well, you got to listen to. I told you. There's a movie that's out right now where it's all dialogue with him and he's. It's set in a bar in, like, the 1930s, and it's just Ethan Hawke talking.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. But I don't know if I could sit through that because he's got makeup on and he's got a comb over. He's not looking cute. Yeah, well, I only like him when he's looking cute.
Yannis Pappas
It's just one of those things when he's looking. I know. When you're watching, like, before. What is it? Before midnight when you. Like a lot?
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
It's like, I'd like to look at your glasses before and then glasses after. They're gonna be fogged up and full of gum. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
How do we get him on the pod?
Yannis Pappas
The answer is he's not coming.
Chris Distefano
He just won't do a pod.
Yannis Pappas
He just do a pod. Well, he will do pods. He just will not do our pod. I've reached out multiple times, and I've even had agent reach out, and the answer is a resounding no.
Chris Distefano
Did you have. Really have.
Yannis Pappas
I told you multiple times I did. And the answer is just no. No, no, no, no.
Chris Distefano
Did it come from him or did it come from his people?
Yannis Pappas
Okay, for his people, the answer's no.
Chris Distefano
I am heartbroken over that answer.
Yannis Pappas
Is it absolute no? And he doesn't live far from our studio, and the answer is still. And he doesn't want to come on the show. He doesn't like what the show stands for.
Chris Distefano
He does. He's not into it.
Yannis Pappas
He's not into it. This is not, not. This is not intelligent enough for him. It's not articulate enough for him. And I get it. I understand. If I was Ethan Hawke, I wouldn't come on either. No.
Chris Distefano
You know what I want to say right now? You know what I want to say.
Yannis Pappas
Say it.
Chris Distefano
Fuck you, Ethan Hawk. What? Fuck you.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, my God.
Chris Distefano
Say fuck you.
Yannis Pappas
Dude, he doesn't mean it, Ethan. He's just having feelings.
Chris Distefano
Do mean it. Go make another fucking movie with it. Nobody cares about Richard Linklater. Nobody gives a shit about your business. They care about comedians giving serious opinions.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
So you're out of business, Ethan.
Yannis Pappas
He doesn't mean it, Ethan. Okay, it's like, honey, what do I tell you, baby? You can have feelings. Feelings are okay, but it's how you react to those Feelings is the problem. And you're reacting negatively.
Chris Distefano
I'm upset and you want to know what? Oh, we're the problem. Why? Cuz we're having a good time. How about when you we song. Cut that out.
Yannis Pappas
Oh my God.
Chris Distefano
Who's the bad person?
Yannis Pappas
Did he.
Chris Distefano
I hate when people act like they're holier than thou just because of something.
Yannis Pappas
Cuz I was just joking. I don't know if he wants to come on the bottom guy.
Chris Distefano
Well, I take it all back. He's just a human. He's a man. He's got appetites. The woman was in his house. What's he gonna do?
Yannis Pappas
What can you do? Just fuck.
Chris Distefano
What's. That's just. You could be married to Uma Thurman.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
You know, you could be married to a poop slurper.
Yannis Pappas
It's what it is.
Chris Distefano
And you'll fuck the housekeeper. Yeah, it's just what happened?
Yannis Pappas
I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger did it. I mean, remember the woman that he. The nanny that he banged was like. I mean nothing compared to his wife, but he just banged it out. So they just need a little new putis.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. I'd like to just take this time to apologize to Ethan Hawke.
Yannis Pappas
For what? Please apologize. Ethan Hawke? Yeah. Because he may have. I mean, I could check my email right now and he's confirmed for the pod. Cause I like AG1. I've told you about this. I put it in my water sometimes I put it in my yogurt. It's a nice little green powder. It gets you your nutrients. It gets you what you need. We Talked about vitamin D3 plus K2, remember? We talked about that? This has it.
Chris Distefano
This is a great way to start your day. I start my day every day with AG1. Okay. Especially now with darkness. Shorter days that might throw you off, but superfoods and B vitamins support steady energy without the crash.
Yannis Pappas
I like that. And cause holiday meals, cuz. Cause you know me, I like to eat cherry pies, I like to eat sweets. I like to eat linzotards. And at this time of the year, it gets bad, but. And then you get stressed out. I gotta get gifts. I don't know what to do. Is my family know I'm gay? I don't know. But prebiotics, probiotics, enzymes that I need to regulate my gut, they are all packed in AG1. You do the powder? I do it. I personally do it in a little water. You could do it in whatever you like. And it just gets me what I need. I don't even think about it.
Chris Distefano
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Yannis Pappas
That's not a medical endorsement, by the way.
Chris Distefano
No, I'm just saying.
Yannis Pappas
We're just saying it.
Chris Distefano
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Yannis Pappas
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Chris Distefano
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Yannis Pappas
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Yannis Pappas
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Chris Distefano
Guys. Remember, as always, patreon.com history hyenas for your weekly bonus episodes, we've been having some wild ones. You can catch me in Bozeman, Montana, November 22nd. Stanford, Connecticut, December 5th and 6th. Austin, December 11th through 13th. West Nyack, December 19th through 21st and San Francisco, January 2nd and 3rd. Calgary, Alberta, January 9th and 10th.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, baby. And as always, like Yanni said, go check those out. Check out patreon.comhistory HYENAS history HYENAS is back dot com. We got a lot of merch up there, all the old episodes. I will be doing live standup. November 14th at the Wind Creek Event center in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, where American Jesus is born. The met in Philadelphia. November 15th. And then November 21st, 22nd, the Houston Punchline. November 23rd, the Paramount Theater in Austin, Texas. And then I got shows in Columbus, Ohio. And then New Year's Eve, Red Bank, New Jersey. Count Basie sent it for the odds, so you're going to want to go see that. Book your plans out now. Enjoy the rest of the episode. I'm gay.
Chris Distefano
Here's the thing though. Friends like me and you, Ethan, we get into fights. Okay? Peter Lawford, you know, and Frank Sinatra got into fights.
Yannis Pappas
Did they really?
Chris Distefano
Dean Martin and first of all, Dean Martin was a big kid, right? Six, two, two, zero.
Yannis Pappas
It's a big boy. He used to box, right.
Chris Distefano
He was a boxer kid. He was an Italian kid from the.
Yannis Pappas
Midwest that changed his name to Dean Martin. What was his actual real name? Dean Martin's real name.
Chris Distefano
His real name is really funny. It's Sauce Monkey Award. Go.
Yannis Pappas
Can you. What's his real.
Chris Distefano
His real name is special. Is it really?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, just click on him.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, real name is great.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. What's his real name? Dino Paul Crochet.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah. Dino Paul Crocetti. Now you couldn't you. I don't think you could bring that into Hollywood. Back.
Yannis Pappas
Dino Crocetti ain't gonna work.
Chris Distefano
Dino Paul Crochetti, that was his Catholic given name.
Yannis Pappas
So Dino Crocetti was full blooded Italian. Now all these guys, let's be honest, were all linked to the mafia at the time, right?
Chris Distefano
Greg Sinatra was the guy.
Yannis Pappas
I mean, mean, Frank indeed was a mobster.
Chris Distefano
No, but he was linked to these guys. They love Frankie. Frankie loved them. They. Back then, the mob ran Vegas. So if you're you, they used to do all these shows in sans casino. And all these casinos, they were all owned by the mob.
Yannis Pappas
They used to. In Vegas, they would do the Golden Nugget. Now, the Golden Nugget is like, you know, not looked at as like a premier place. Or maybe it is, but I know back then the Golden Nugget was where they would perform. Mad Dog told me that.
Chris Distefano
You want to hear something crazy?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Where Soul Joel has his club at Stony Brook. Frank Sinatra performed there. And Frank Sinatra signed the wall. And if you go backstage in the big room, I like to call that the Nate Bargazzi Room. Yeah, because I can't sell it. If you go backstage, you can see signatures from like going back to the 30s and 40s. That's very cool. But somebody broke in and cut out the drywall and stole the Frank Sinatra autograph.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, so it's not.
Chris Distefano
So there's a hole in the wall there. It's one where someone cut it out.
Yannis Pappas
And knowing Soul Joel, he never patched it up.
Chris Distefano
It's not patched up, though. But, yeah, I mean, these guys would go around.
Yannis Pappas
It's.
Chris Distefano
It's funny when you think about what kind of icons they became in Hollywood and stuff, but these guys, mostly, like us, performed live, right? Which is what I found so interesting learning about this was these guys would perform live. They'd go to Kansas City. They'd go, yeah, they want. All over the country. And they would do live gigs, traveling around, and comedy and music kind of went together. And Frankie loved that. Frankie's opener was a comic, right? And Frankie loved guys that were funny. He loved Joey Bishop because he was funny. He loved Dean Martin because he was funny. He loved Dean Martin.
Yannis Pappas
Martin. Now, Dean Martin was a good kid. Now, this, real quick, this association with the mobsters is accurate. Sinatra was linked to Lucky Luciano, Bugsy Siegel, Sam Giancana, Carlo Gambino, and Joseph Fischetti. And he always denied saying that he was, you know, in the mob and all that, but these guys loved it. And then he also had a beef with jfk. Did you know that?
Chris Distefano
Yeah, they had a little bit of a problem. Well, first of all, I just want to say one time. One time, Dean Martin and Frankie Sinatra had one fight, and it turned into a fist fight.
Yannis Pappas
Dean Martin and Frankie Sinatra did.
Chris Distefano
And Dean Martin fucking knocked them out.
Yannis Pappas
Whoa.
Chris Distefano
And they didn't talk for 10 days. And then Frankie called him. He said, I still love you, baby.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Frankie Sinatra said, baby after every second.
Yannis Pappas
So Sinatra got knocked out clean.
Chris Distefano
The kid was a skinny string bean. He was 5, 10, 10. And Dean Martin was 6, 2, 2, 20. And he used to box. So, whoa.
Yannis Pappas
What was it the fight over, do we know?
Chris Distefano
It was a little. They got into a little argument backstage, and Frankie just ran at him, and he ran right into a clean, right. Oh.
Yannis Pappas
With one punch, Dean knocked him out.
Chris Distefano
Knocked him cold out.
Yannis Pappas
That's. Don't want to see yet. Points. Sinatra fight. Yeah, I'd like that. Stuff like that is very interesting. The night Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin got.
Chris Distefano
Into a brawl, they got into a little something at the Polo Lounge. You messed up my suit, baby.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. So what happened? Yeah, go ahead. Go down. Yeah, go down a little bit.
Chris Distefano
Little scrap.
Yannis Pappas
Dino, as he was known to his intimates they were on at the Polo Lounge in the Beverly hills. This is June 7, 1966. Late night bash just after midnight. Movies, TV, you know, concerts, they're all doing it all up. And then what happened was, is they're all there getting banged out. Right? And then what happens there? Two men. Do we see what actually happened?
Chris Distefano
Yes. Stopping in for a nightcap. They took a booth alongside Snatch and Martin, chatted over drinks. Two men. And then they were barely able to hear each other over rowdy laughter. And then something happened. And then eventually Wiseman grew annoyed, taken aback. Who the fuck knows? They got into a fight.
Yannis Pappas
They just got into a fight. I mean, these people write these articles. It's like, just tell us what we want to hear. I don't care about anything that's going on in your life.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, but this is. This is not it. This has something to do with something else. When they got. This is a brawl with other people, but they fought each other. It wasn't even a brawl. I mean, it just. He just cold knocked them out, right? He just cold knocked him out once and.
Yannis Pappas
But somebody knocked somebody out or got knocked out. Has that ever happened to you? No, never.
Chris Distefano
Never once.
Yannis Pappas
That's when you got into a legitimate fistfight. Not with your brother.
Chris Distefano
Dude. I mean, college.
Yannis Pappas
Like, you got into an actual fist fight?
Chris Distefano
Yeah, a few of those in college, but that's the last.
Yannis Pappas
Like, just drunk, swinging on.
Chris Distefano
Unless I'm forgetting something after that. Yeah, college. Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. I haven't gotten into one in a while either.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Do you want to go start one?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, you want to just.
Chris Distefano
You want to try to go out there and just start pounding on Patty? Yeah, just.
Yannis Pappas
Dude, he would beat the out of us. He would just sit on us. I would punch him in the stomach and his shorts would fall down.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, I don't know what the fight was over. I mean, look, Frankie. Frankie loved Sammy Davis Jr. Too.
Yannis Pappas
So they were not racist, these guys. But did they call him the N word? A little bit. Probably for fun.
Chris Distefano
Two Italian back then walking around. Unfortunately, one guy's really friends with the mob now. The mob guys were definitely racist. And they definitely, definitely at least called Sammy Davis more than 346 times. Yeah, that definitely happened.
Yannis Pappas
And he just had to deal with it. Do you think that's why he converted to Judaism at some point? He just got pushed there?
Chris Distefano
Yeah, it's probably. It's probably was. There's one story where Sammy Davis was in, like, the lobby or whatever, and they were like, you can't be here, like you know, because of the whites. And Frankie Sinatra always defended him good. Like, I'll leave. I'll pull every cent. So Frankie Sinatra defended him in a weird way. You got to call him Frankie Gray Zones.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
He was in bed with all these racist mafia guys.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
Definitely didn't like the blacks.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
But he was big into the talent. And Sammy Davis Jr. He loves Sammy Davis Jr. So I don't think Frank Sinatra himself was racist.
Yannis Pappas
No.
Chris Distefano
But I think Frank Sinatra was a complicated guy who's also Italian. So it's like you're born with it if you're Italian now. So it's in there.
Yannis Pappas
Now, Frank Sinatra is one of those interesting guys because I've heard people say that he really. It was more than his talent that made him so famous, because as far as just singing goes, not like he was an unbelievable singer. Right.
Chris Distefano
He was a crazy dancer.
Yannis Pappas
That's what it was.
Chris Distefano
A kid could dance like my dad when he tap dance for General Clark. Yeah, that. Yeah. But, yeah, Italian guys just have a little racism in them. There's nothing they can do about it. They're born with that.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
It's. I think at some point Italian guys even call their mom once in a while.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. It's just what it is.
Chris Distefano
Just can't help it.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Now, Frank Sinatra's son.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Was. Did you know he was kidnapped?
Chris Distefano
Yes.
Yannis Pappas
And he was taken from his hotel room. Yeah. In Lake Tahoe.
Chris Distefano
It was only after a week after JFK got killed.
Yannis Pappas
And they paid. He had to pay 240 grand, which they paid. He.
Chris Distefano
They did. The FBI was on the case. The mob was on the case.
Yannis Pappas
They ever catch the guy?
Chris Distefano
They did. And the guy only did like four years.
Yannis Pappas
And do you ever really get away with it? Like, even if you get the money on a kidnapping, like, you're not going to get away with it.
Chris Distefano
Well, the guys, the two guys that did it were really franks and beans, and I think they let the son, like, convince them to let somehow get free on the highway or whatever. And the guy just escaped. The kid just escaped. Frankie junior.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
I think he just eventually escaped or something like that. Right.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, they were. Three kidnappers were eventually caught and convicted. Convicted. Yeah. I mean, what are you gonna do? Yeah, what can you do?
Chris Distefano
The trauma of the event led Sinatra to carry a roll of dimes with him everywhere he went for the rest of his life, a habit he maintained until his death. He was buried with 10 dimes in his pocket. Why? Oh, oh, because of the payphone. He had to use the Payphone to.
Yannis Pappas
Call Hades, the underworld.
Chris Distefano
No, to call the kidnappers. He was always talking to the kidnappers or whatever.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, I see.
Chris Distefano
Maybe that's what it is. I'm just guessing. I don't know what it is is. But Old Blue Eyes was the leader of the pack. He's the one that booked all the shows.
Yannis Pappas
When is the last time the rat pack performed?
Chris Distefano
1970 something.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
They did one final boom.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. And they knew it was over then. How did they know it was over?
Chris Distefano
Well, here's the interesting thing.
Yannis Pappas
Tell me what's interesting.
Chris Distefano
I'll tell you what's interesting is they were all kind of famous in their own. Right, Right.
Yannis Pappas
Dean.
Chris Distefano
Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin teamed up, Right. And they did about 19 movies together and had a 10 year run and they couldn't be more famous.
Yannis Pappas
The Jerry Lewis telling.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah. That was before the telethon, I mean. And then Jerry Lewis did. Went solo and he did the Nutty professor, which was a massive hit for him.
Yannis Pappas
Sure.
Chris Distefano
But Jerry Lewis never really got over the breakup. Dean Martin wanted to go solo. He was like, I just can't do it anymore, baby. We've done 10 years. He felt suffocated. Right.
Yannis Pappas
Wait a second. Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis were a duo before Dean Martin joined the Rat Pack?
Chris Distefano
Absolutely. Maybe you gotta talk like a Rat Packer to.
Yannis Pappas
I didn't know that.
Chris Distefano
Let's get some broads and some showgirls.
Yannis Pappas
I didn't know that.
Chris Distefano
Chicky and give some martinis and do some Quaaludes.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, is that what they did? Right?
Chris Distefano
Oh, baby, these guys, showgirls, they models, they. I mean, baby, Dean Martin had Rolodex and he called it the Beauties.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
All the wives knew too. They knew, baby.
Yannis Pappas
So you were just allowed to openly cheat on your wife back then. Now you didn't make a difference.
Chris Distefano
Openly do it. But I guess these ladies kind of understood what, you know, what comes with. With the what comes. It's a side that comes with the main course. If your main course is Frankie Sinatra, baby.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
He's going to be sniffing around a few showgirls while he's in Vegas.
Yannis Pappas
It's just what it is.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. What he's going to do.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
And so, yeah, Martin Lewis, they met at a comedy club, like a small show in like New York or Jersey. Like Dean Martin was singing or whatever and Jerry Lewis and debuted at the.
Yannis Pappas
Atlantic City's 500 Club in 1946.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. So they met when they were, you know, and Jerry Lewis was younger. Jerry Lewis Came out when he was like an unknown and started messing around with Dean Martin while he was singing. Fling his tie. And Dean Martin was notoriously like a go with the flow guy.
Yannis Pappas
That's awesome.
Chris Distefano
His whole thing was like he, he would joke about like, I'm accidentally famous, the kids could sing. But he had this like. He had this like cool thing about him where he's just Go with the flow, baby. Right. And he supposedly didn't love the spotlight. He was a good family man, but he was also drunk.
Yannis Pappas
What? Dean Martin was a family man and.
Chris Distefano
Didn'T have gumades, he had gumadas.
Yannis Pappas
So okay, so back then you could be a family man, but it was understood you also had a gumada because.
Chris Distefano
He had a football roster that was the beauties.
Yannis Pappas
You're saying they didn't have a single.
Chris Distefano
Gamari back then, right? These guys. Yeah, these guys, what they did is they, they totally.
Yannis Pappas
With no jimmy hats.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, I mean. Yeah, these guys. I mean if me too was around back then, Me too couldn't have a big enough net to catch all of their improper power dynamic.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
These guys were in Vegas.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
They were in Kansas City. They were in Chicago. They're in.
Yannis Pappas
In New York.
Chris Distefano
They were in Newark, cuz they were overseas.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. They were slinging dick.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
And what they did and they look. Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
It's very, very, very interesting. Yeah. I mean I. Cuz I scroll down a little bit. I want to see, I want to see when their very last show was. That's what I want to know. Because I want to know like. Did they know it was coming to an end? Did they know it was their last show? I. I'm very.
Chris Distefano
1988, the tour again. They did it.
Yannis Pappas
Can we play them for. Can we just play a second?
Chris Distefano
It was only three of them. By that time they.
Yannis Pappas
People were dying. Well, Barbara Simpson. It's just O.J. simpson's sister.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Well, those were the three main guys, to be honest. Those are the three big guys.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. The other guys, Peter Lawford and the other. I just joke what happened. Joey was a comic, so we should know him well.
Chris Distefano
Joey Bishop was very talented. Frankie loved him. He said he was like the funniest straight man. Joey Bishop got a little too big for his bridges. He went and tried to do a sitcom after the Rat Pack. Kind of made him famous because the Rat Pack did a bunch of movies together.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
It had a rapper run where they're doing a bunch of. They did probably about 350 shows all over the country together. And Then they did like tons of movies together. Joey Bishop went and tried to do a sitcom on his own and it flopped, didn't work. But then Frankie called him up one night and said, because Frankie, you love to do impromptu shows, okay? So Frankie would go. He would call him up and go, let's do a fucking show in Chattanooga. Yeah. He'd call the guys and he'd expect him to fly in Joey. Bill Bishop one time got a little big for his bridges, right during the height of the fame of all of them. And Joey Bishop goes, I want a private jet and 50 grand cash. And Frankie went, excuse me, baby.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
He said, baby, I'm Frankie Blue Eyes. Yeah, I made you, baby, I'm doing you. And Joey Bishop's going, I'm Joey Bishop now. So Frankie said, go be Joey Bishop. Bishop no go be Joey Bishop now. That's what you go be Joey Bishop now then. Yeah, go be Joey Bishop.
Yannis Pappas
Is that really Joey Bishop disappeared?
Chris Distefano
Cuz we're talking about Blue Eyes.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
If Blue Eyes calls you in the middle of night and says, come fix my toilet, you go fix his toilet 100%.
Yannis Pappas
If I was in the Rat Pack and. And Frankie Blue Eyes called me in the middle of the night and said, come over here now. I would say, baby, look down, I'm here.
Chris Distefano
That's exactly right.
Yannis Pappas
Sleeping on your lap since about 10pm yeah, go down early.
Chris Distefano
Y. So Joey Bishop, his head got a little big from show business and he forgot where his bread was buttered. And so then Joey Bishop, and then Joey Bishop kind of never got over that. Yeah, because his career just fucking crumbled. Cause Frankie just blackballed him after that.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah, it's Frankie.
Chris Distefano
Frankie, dude. Frankie was a very charitable guy and he loved talent. Right? So that's why he was a big fan of Sammy Davis and Dean Martin. He just loved talent. But the interesting thing is Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, right? So they broke up, but Jerry Lewis didn't want to broke up. Jerry Lewis was like, we got this good. These guys were, I mean, box office gold, right? Most famous comedy duo in the country. And Dean just goes, you know what? I'm. Because he was a little in Jerry's shadow.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Because Jerry was like the goofy one and yeah. Was like the straight guy. So Dean was just, baby, I just can't do it.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
So they didn't speak for a long time because Jerry was upset. That. And then. And then Dean took off with the Rat Pack when Frankie brought him in. And Jerry used to really. The Rat Pack used To bother Jerry. Wow.
Yannis Pappas
Even though Jerry was so famous.
Chris Distefano
Famous. And he had a big hit with the Nutty Professor. But then after the Night professor, the kid just started doing telethons.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. And it's just that's what he's known from.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. And Dean Martin was living this cool fucking life. But Jerry never really got over it.
Yannis Pappas
Interesting.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, he never really got over it. But then they did Reunion Unite for one thing. And they did kind of sweep it under the rug and stuff. But baby, show businesses is messy. You got egos, you got money.
Yannis Pappas
But it's also show business is very much steeped in, like you said, ego and money and just fear. There's a lot of fear. You know, being a part of the entertainment industry. There's a lot of drama, I should say, because they're dramatic actors is drama. Right. Like even, even, even, even. Like subtle shit. Like, you know, you go on the SAG AFTRA's website and it'll say like, you know, like username and password and then forgot username, password. And that's usually every website. But then in the SAG Aftra website it also says report sexual harassment. So it's like that's a real thing. But it's like the whole industry is like, give us drama.
Chris Distefano
Right?
Yannis Pappas
Right now. Give us drama. Press that button for the drama.
Chris Distefano
Right, Right.
Yannis Pappas
That's just what it is.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, well that's the business we get into. People want to talk about us. We want to be. Everyone wants to be famous. We. So it's like you famous people talk about you and they love drama. They don't want to hear, oh, the guy's just a good guy. They want the salacious details.
Yannis Pappas
Yes.
Chris Distefano
And if there are none, they'll make them up.
Yannis Pappas
Which is why, you know, I think collectively people who are in entertainment are just like pulling back. People don't really are not like going, I don't think it's young kids wishes anymore to be the most famous person ever.
Chris Distefano
Yes.
Yannis Pappas
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Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
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Chris Distefano
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Yannis Pappas
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Yannis Pappas
Tell me why. Because he's.
Chris Distefano
Ladder 14.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Is that sure.
Yannis Pappas
You go towards.
Chris Distefano
I was kind of going towards. Well, he kind of was. When I tell the story.
Yannis Pappas
Is it. No, but what. Let's be honest.
Chris Distefano
He tried. So he was definitely the bigger star because he was not the straight man. Martin was the straight man. Right. But.
Yannis Pappas
So Jerry was funnier.
Chris Distefano
But Jerry pursued Martin, which is interesting. This is why it's so interesting, because Jerry was like, you know, elastic and kind of like Jim Carriers and was like Pratt Foley. But Jerry knew he needed, like structure and a straight guy, so he pursued Louis.
Yannis Pappas
Got it.
Chris Distefano
And so then when they came together and Lewis is. And Lewis is Martin and Lewis. I'm saying Lewis, but it's Jerry Lewis. I'm saying he pursued Lewis, he pursued Martin.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
So Jerry Lewis pursued Martin because he needed that structure, that straight man. And it just was. The chemistry was gold when they got together because they were opposites. But Jerry Lewis was in the movies. He was the wild one. Right, Right. So then on the.
Yannis Pappas
On the.
Chris Distefano
They. They were filming their movie where they had their breakup and Jerry Lewis wanted the majority of the money. He was going like, I'm the star. I Want more money. And Lewis is going, fuck you, baby. They actually didn't even finish the movie. They split on set. People lost money.
Yannis Pappas
The movie was never finished.
Chris Distefano
Never finished. And am I correct in that I'm reading that?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
And so Dean Martin just walked off. Wow. That's it. And then, unfortunately, Jerry Lewis had to watch Dean Martin's fucking meteoric rise with the Rat Pack explode. Had to watch it. And it must have hurt even more because Dean Martin was such a go with the flow type guy. He was just so charismatic.
Yannis Pappas
Like, Dean Martin wasn't thinking, but that effortless. But I'd argue he woke up at.
Chris Distefano
12, he didn't rehearse. He notoriously didn't rehearse. He said, if you're good, you don't need to rehearse.
Yannis Pappas
But that's. But I'd argue that's why Dean Martin was so much more successful than Jerry Lewis, because Dean was just going with the flow. Like, I don't think it's. I don't think it was accidental. Jerry Lewis probably got, in his own way more than he even realized by just putting too much pressure on himself in the situations and not just going with the flow. The flow and letting it happen. Because the bottom line is, baby, you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. You just got to live in the present and be friendly with it.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, that's. What. Did I just make that up about the money?
Yannis Pappas
Yes.
Chris Distefano
Yes. Yeah. Did I just. Did that happen?
Yannis Pappas
No, it did not.
Chris Distefano
Here we go. Louis Lewis is arrogance. Lou's ego grew significantly with their success. Reports from the set of their final film, Hollywood or Bust, described the animosity becoming so intense that Lewis would speak to Martin through their direction. Director Martin reportedly referred to Lewis as an effing dollar sign. The relationship was also strained by their wives. Jerry Lewis close to Dean's first wife, Betty, and disapproved of his divorce. Why are you getting into the guy's personal life?
Yannis Pappas
You know, Jerry Lewis sounds kind of annoying.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, I know what you're thinking, Jesse. They make you hate him.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
14. I mean, why you got to be so nosy? I mean, I understand that, you know, Martin.
Yannis Pappas
Martin and Lewis gave their last performance together at the Copacabeth Club on July 25, 1956. Just a month or two after my mother was born.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. So I guess. Why was Martin calling him an effing dollar sign? Because all he cared about is money.
Yannis Pappas
Or they were only together for 10 years.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, 10 years. They did 19 movies.
Yannis Pappas
It's a lot of movies.
Chris Distefano
It's a lot of movies and 10 years a long run.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, think about that.
Chris Distefano
But 19 movies.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
So these guys probably just fucking got.
Yannis Pappas
Sick of each other. Wow, look at that. And a surprise of the 1976 Jerry Lewis Telethon. Sinatra brought Martin on stage stage, orchestrating an emotional, though awkward reunion that was broadcast nationally.
Chris Distefano
Because they didn't speak for 20 years, Lewis sometimes publicly disparaged Martin. But, yeah, brought Martin on stage and it was the, the men did not fully reconcile until after the tragic death of Martin's son. So when Martin's son died, Baby, he died in a plane crash. Martin kind of changed after that, bubba. You would see him in a restaurant sitting by himself. He was, he was, he got banged up. He got banged up bad. These guys all got banged up a little bit.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Got banged up. I think one of their kids died. I think it was Frankie Sinatra's kid died. He drowned in a pool when he was 14. He dove in and hit his head, baby.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, shit.
Chris Distefano
So a lot of these guys got a little banged up. They, these guys lived, right? They lived, they had scars. Things happened.
Yannis Pappas
Right? Right, Yeah. I mean, what can you do? I mean, no, he said his son died of a heart attack at 72.
Chris Distefano
No, but there was another one. Somebody's kid died. Yeah, in a pool. And I think it was Frankie. Frankie Sinatra.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. I mean, what, it's awful. Yeah. Bad stuff happens. But, I mean, the Rat Pack, I mean, ask your, ask your grandmother and grandfather about the Rat Pack. My aunt, my aunt saw Frank Sinatra perform live and said it was an amazing experience and that he supposedly blew a kiss at her. I said, really? That's true. But she says he does. He did. Maybe he did, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. That's the thing. Who am I, who am I to. You know? I saw Queen perform live in the lead singer blue Kiss at me. What's his name? Adam Zara, what is it? Adam Lazarus, lead singer of Queen. Yeah. That hottie.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. I, I, it's not, it's not, it was not Frankie Jr's kid. Yeah. It was not Frankie Sinatra's kid.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. It's just what it is. Sometimes you know what you're talking about and sometimes you don't.
Chris Distefano
Now and that one and this one. I mean, I don't, I don't know. Some of the things I could have been saying is true, some of them false, because that's the thing about the.
Yannis Pappas
Show is I just like that we don't even know the Answer.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. No. So no son of any Rat Pack member died by drowning in a pool. Somebody hit their fucking head and died in a pool. Someone hit their head and died in a pool. Bitch.
Yannis Pappas
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Chris Distefano
But what an era, huh?
Yannis Pappas
I mean, it's just never going to go back there unless. Unless China sends one of those EMF things that knocks out our Internet. Yeah, I would like to go back if it didn't mean that it was going to cause world hunger. I would like to get rid of the Internet.
Chris Distefano
Well, here's the. Peter Lawford.
Yannis Pappas
That's what happened.
Chris Distefano
Peter Lawford was found unconscious near a swimming pool.
Yannis Pappas
So there you go.
Chris Distefano
After falling and hitting his head on a couple of occasions.
Yannis Pappas
But did he die?
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Yeah, I guess he did. No, he ultimately died in the hospital.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, he didn't die of that.
Chris Distefano
I knew there was a pool somewhere. I. I still think that there's something missing there, but it doesn't really matter. No, but you know what's interesting about this? It's interesting that Frankie Sinatra had this idea, right? Like, based on their hangouts just at Humphrey Bogart's house. And he just saw it, and he saw them, like, playing the piano and joking around, right? So most of it was just the joking around. And he's going like, why don't we turn this into a show?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Smart.
Chris Distefano
He was like, why don't we turn this into a show? Show where we did a little. Do a little song and dance. But most of it was that the people loved was the joking that they did in between the numbers. And sometimes when you watch them perform, they'll be joking throughout the song, Right. They don't even care about the song. It's about joking.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Like, so you were basically going to see a show of friends joking around with each other.
Yannis Pappas
Something to that.
Chris Distefano
And he brought together these powerhouses because, remember, Sammy Davis Jr. Was famous by this time. Dean Martin was famous by this time. Peter Lawford was famous. Joey Bishop was famous. And these were guys that he handpicked. And he said, baby, I'm putting this. This little committee together, this crew together.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
And they all bring something to the table. Like, Joey Bishop supposedly wrote all the jokes. He was main joke writer, right.
Yannis Pappas
He. Well, he was the standup comic.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. And then even Peter Lawford, he was like, we're bringing you in because of your connection to Kennedy, and you're the weakest link, but I want you to get me in good with Kennedy, because Frank Sinatra loved being the guy.
Yannis Pappas
He loved being the guy. But then he had a falling out with Kennedy.
Chris Distefano
He had a falling out with Kenny. I think he had a falling out with Peter Lawford, too, because he wanted Kennedy to stay at his house in Palm Springs. Let's look up the story. So he said, peter Lawford, you good for nothing fucking Brit. Yeah, okay. We beat your ass in the fucking revolution.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
I'm an Italian kid from Hoboken. Yeah, Right. I used to fucking have to fight all these Irish kids who called me Wap.
Yannis Pappas
Right?
Chris Distefano
You do what I say because I know. No, Giakhana. I want Kennedy to stay at my house.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
What ends up happening is Kennedy stays, I think, at fucking Milton Berle's house or somebody else's house. Right?
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
And he was pissed. So Frank Sinatra and Peter Lawford. So Lawford had to deliver the news that JFK would not be staying at Sinatra's home as planned. And he stated, at somebody else's house. And the reason why he didn't want to stay there is because of all the mob ties, which is probably true.
Yannis Pappas
Because why would an active U.S. president. First of all, why would an active U.S. president want to stay at anybody's house?
Chris Distefano
Yeah, I.
Yannis Pappas
President.
Chris Distefano
But back. This is like high society shit, right? But he wanted him at his house. He wanted to fucking hang out with the President. And then he goes, you. You're married to the guy's sister, and you can't fucking deliver the President to hang out with me. You can't tap dance, you can't sing.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
You're a fucking British nobody.
Yannis Pappas
Right?
Chris Distefano
All right, hit the bricks, kid. And beat it. He kicks him to the brick and.
Yannis Pappas
He stated what it is. And they didn't.
Chris Distefano
They didn't end up speaking for years. But that just. That's a little petty.
Yannis Pappas
I mean, imagine the President having a sleepover.
Chris Distefano
Cause, yeah, that's crazy. Is that a little petty, though? It's like, you didn't get him to.
Yannis Pappas
Stay at my house. I mean, the ego.
Chris Distefano
The thing is.
Yannis Pappas
The thing is because nine times out of 10, to get to that level of fame, you have to have such a massive ego that pettiness follows right behind. Yeah, most people are petty that way. Most people are like, they have to be the center of attention. They have to be front of the. The pack, you know? That's why I'm telling you guys, I don't want to be that.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
I want to be in the back.
Chris Distefano
Of the pack after that, Frank Sinatra just like, fudge packing they cut him out of movies and everything. Imagine that. Imagine you get cut out all the movies just because you couldn't get the president to sleep over your house.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, it's just what it is, Frankie.
Chris Distefano
Sinatra was a mixed bag.
Yannis Pappas
He was a bit of a mixed bag.
Chris Distefano
He's a mixed bag.
Yannis Pappas
He was a probably a bit of a long day.
Chris Distefano
He was a bit of, a little bit long day.
Yannis Pappas
Hang out with.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Yannis Pappas
He probably just was tough.
Chris Distefano
He was a tough hang, probably.
Yannis Pappas
But handsome as all can be and talented and also banged a lot of chicks, right?
Chris Distefano
Oh, baby. But his main love. Baby, let's talk about his main love.
Yannis Pappas
You're a kid that likes love.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Eva Gardner.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, yeah. She related to Eva Braun.
Chris Distefano
Now Eva got. Now, you know, this kid also married the wacko, that wookie Woody Woody Allen married when she was 21.
Yannis Pappas
Yuko C or whatever. No, Shohei Ohtani.
Chris Distefano
Not Shohei Otani. Mia Farrow when she was 21 and he was like 60.
Yannis Pappas
It's just what it is.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Bagged out.
Chris Distefano
He married her too.
Yannis Pappas
But that, I mean, absolute peace. Does she have. Were there fumes back then?
Chris Distefano
Because it doesn't matter. You swim through that because she was cool. You put your, you put your trunks on and you swim through that.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. I mean, she was gorgeous. And Frank Sinatra is just not. I mean, he's handsome enough.
Chris Distefano
I mean, he's not that handsome. He's a, he's a. He's like a. He's a good looking guy. Yeah. But not in the truth. Not like Dean Martin.
Yannis Pappas
No. Dean Martin was hot.
Chris Distefano
You drop your. You drop your draws.
Yannis Pappas
Drop your trash. Was his.
Chris Distefano
I mean, look at, look at her though, Ava.
Yannis Pappas
She's gorgeous.
Chris Distefano
And that was his main love. And I think she walked on him now. Did she walk on him? Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
I don't know.
Chris Distefano
Never got over it, baby. He never got over.
Yannis Pappas
She just didn't want to be with him. I can't be with you anymore.
Chris Distefano
I can't. I can't go with you anymore. Wow. Wow. They married 72, his kids in Entra.
Yannis Pappas
Got divorced and then married her immediately. Within three days.
Chris Distefano
Three days. And then they only made it two years. She had two abortions while she was married to Sinatra.
Yannis Pappas
That's not good.
Chris Distefano
Were they his kids? Now a lot of people think, by the way, a lot of people think, and I think Nick also is probably knows about this conspiracy, that Ronan Farrow is actually Frankie Sinatra's son. And there's no question he is. I mean, there's just. Does that look like Woody Allen to you.
Yannis Pappas
So wait, Woody Allen says that this is his son?
Chris Distefano
It was. So he was raised by Woody Allen.
Yannis Pappas
Right, but did Woody Allen say this is biologically my kid?
Chris Distefano
Well, this is what the thing is. Mia Farrell was with Woody Allen when he was born, but Frank Sinatra continued, like, to maybe see me hang out with Mia Farrell here and there.
Yannis Pappas
And how old was Frank Sinatra? 1980. 87.
Chris Distefano
He wasn't young. He wasn't young. But that is.
Yannis Pappas
I mean, it looks not Woody Allen, I'll tell you that.
Chris Distefano
Dude, not only is it not Woody Allen, it looks exactly like Frank. Pull up Frank Sinatra Rowan next to each other. So that is Ronan Farrow, you know, the guy who took down so many people. I mean, let's just. It's obvious. Yeah, it's just like Khloe Kardashian is OJ's daughter. We know. I mean, that is. So Mia Farrow cheated on Woody Allen and fucked Frank Sinatra at some point.
Yannis Pappas
So does Woody Allen still to this day believe that that's his son?
Chris Distefano
What does he think about it? I don't think they talk to each.
Yannis Pappas
Other after the whole thing.
Chris Distefano
I know, but what. Of course they don't. But what. Has he ever mentioned it? Has Woody Allen ever mentioned that? I mean. I mean, it's so obviously his son. They look exactly alike.
Yannis Pappas
Wait, and what happened with Woody Allen again? He banged his stepdaughter.
Chris Distefano
What is it Woody?
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
I mean, so what Woody started doing. So it wasn't his stepdaughter. That's the thing. This is just shows you how. But it's still bad. Okay. It was. It was Mia Farrow's adopted daughter.
Yannis Pappas
Okay.
Chris Distefano
But they lived separately. Right? Woody Allen wanted that they notorious, like, famously lived across the park. He lived on the west side, she lived in the East.
Yannis Pappas
Even though they were married, they didn't live together.
Chris Distefano
I don't know if they ever married. Did they marry?
Yannis Pappas
I'm not sure.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. I don't know if not. But it was. He was not her stepdad.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
So Woody Allen. But he did kind of raise her.
Yannis Pappas
That's funny. Woody Allen has stated that he believes Ronan Farrow is his son, but he wouldn't bet his life on it. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Is it possible that Frank and Mia Hill hung out? Like, what's the story?
Yannis Pappas
How old was Frank Sinatra in 1987? Yeah, like, how old? Because that. It's like, how long can you be? Can you blast loads inside someone? And how old is Mia Farrow? You can.
Chris Distefano
Pacino just had a kid at 84. Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
How old was he?
Chris Distefano
84 or 83.
Yannis Pappas
Something.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Got a newborn.
Chris Distefano
How old was Frank Sinatra when Ronan Farrell was born or something in 87. Easily.
Yannis Pappas
Okay.
Chris Distefano
Easily.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Okay.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. I think it's beyond conclusion that that's the father.
Yannis Pappas
Well, it's. I could tell you this. I don't know if Frank Sinatra is the father, but I know for sure. Woody Allen is not.
Chris Distefano
He's not the father.
Yannis Pappas
I mean that. You don't. He doesn't look. I mean, not a thing. And not a shred at all like Woody Allen.
Chris Distefano
No. What a fun era, though. Everyone was. This was before Hollywood kind of got formal. Right, Right. It's like, this was a wild time. Jackie Gleason. Now, Jackie Gleason was never in the Rat Pack.
Yannis Pappas
Should have been.
Chris Distefano
Well, he was a. He was a megastar in his own right.
Yannis Pappas
He's like, peripherally.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. I think he. He performed with them once. Like, they would always have guests. Come on.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
Johnny Carson came on once. They had all types of guests mirror. Farrow has said multiple times that Frank Sinatra was the great love of her life. She was 20 or 19 or 21 or something.
Yannis Pappas
How old was Mia Farrow in 1987?
Chris Distefano
How about this one, though? Mia famously said in the 2013 Vanity Fair interview that possibly Frank Sinatra is the father of Ronan. So what is the evidence? He was born in 18. Me and Sinatra stayed intimate. Oh, so me and Sinatra stayed intimate on and off for decades. So he kept banging it out.
Yannis Pappas
So she. So she cheated on Woody Allen.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, guess so.
Yannis Pappas
That's what it is.
Chris Distefano
Ronan jokes about the rumor, but refuses to test.
Yannis Pappas
Is she still alive? Mia Farrow?
Chris Distefano
Looks like it.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Woody said. Woody said. In my opinion, he looks a lot like Frank.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. I wonder what Ronan And Ronan Farrow is like. He's the one. He started, like, the MeToo stuff, right? Something like that. He was like a big.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, he's like the big Hollywood journalist that took down Harvey Weinstein. Right?
Yannis Pappas
Oh, that's what it is. Okay.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. He got a couple big fish. Did you get Kevin Spacey, too? Yeah. Ronan Farrell got a few big fish.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. I think Ronan Farrell. I know Ricky Gervais has that joke about him at the Golden Globes. I think he's like, you're a little.
Chris Distefano
Scared of Ronan Farrell, right? Yeah. I think he's a gay guy.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah. It's what it is, kid. Yeah. I. I gotta.
Chris Distefano
He done a whole bunch of stuff.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, whatever. What are you gonna.
Chris Distefano
To catch and kill? Who knows? Who knows? He got a lot of Them.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah, he was a big one.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, that was the big one. Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Well, I mean, that's good. I mean, now it's a rat pack. I mean, we had a good time talking about it, but now we have an even better time talking to the Patreon. Patreon.com history hyenas. We read the newest name out of our matriarchy. We're having a lot of fun over there. Some people are getting a little crazy and disparaging family and making the other members uncomfortable. You know who you are. So please just stop. We can't block you because we know you'll just make another account. So just ask you to be a decent human being and just stop.
Chris Distefano
What's going on?
Yannis Pappas
I don't know. Some girl saying she's this. There's a guy on there something LLC that's making people feel really uncomfortable because he's saying like horrible things. Things about my family, about other members. But it's like there's no point. You can't block these people. They'll just make other accounts. That's the problem.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
I mean, look, what can you do? What are you going to report you to the police?
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
He probably feels power that he can piss people off. Just what it is. He's probably somebody I know.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, he's obviously having a.
Yannis Pappas
What can you do?
Chris Distefano
He's obviously very busy in his life.
Yannis Pappas
These kids got leaky roofs. So go to patreon.com history and then the newest members of the matriarchy will get your name right out. Welcome to the matriarchy. Straight to the crack.
Chris Distefano
Chicken finger.
Yannis Pappas
Chicken finger. Nice. Then we got World Series of Fumes. Zoran Mamdani versus Shohei Ohtani.
Chris Distefano
Good rhyme, good rhyme, good rhyme.
Yannis Pappas
But yeah, good rhyme, Chris. Then we got cucked out cutie with the smoothie in my booty.
Chris Distefano
Chicken finger.
Yannis Pappas
Interesting butt chugging a smoothie. J. Cole, the rapper. There it is. Welcome. Juliet Charlie Sierra. Looks like piece. Douglas Bombard. Frank Jizzo. By myself. By myself. I'll glue physically.
Chris Distefano
Wow.
Yannis Pappas
Frank Jizzo.
Chris Distefano
Frank Jizzo.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. By my say. By myself. I'll take glue physically.
Chris Distefano
It's very funny. I'm going to Drexel. That Okay. Controversial. I'm going to Drexler it.
Yannis Pappas
Then we got glue stained Frisbee, AKA Muzzy, Kryptonite way song.
Chris Distefano
She ain't okay.
Yannis Pappas
Frankie Two Shoes. Guillermo Johnny Morass, Marcus Beef. Stroke me off. I like drag but I'm not. Call me piss. Understood.
Chris Distefano
Ladder 14.
Yannis Pappas
Okay.
Chris Distefano
Okay.
Yannis Pappas
That's what it is. But it is Queen Clitoria banged her cousin. Okay. Screwed in pierogi Monkey doing well for himself.
Chris Distefano
Good for you, kid. Yeah, Polish kid.
Yannis Pappas
No, Polish kid. Macna Meagling Sweeney's, Todd's ad. Pepperoni wheelpair piece. Aids.
Chris Distefano
Just aids.
Yannis Pappas
Mark Reese. Abe Gutierrez. Lived in a house with a gas leak for a year. Call me Oppenheimer. Okay?
Chris Distefano
Okay.
Yannis Pappas
Hugo Boss, Unis and the swas. Makes my piece. Goose step.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Yannis Pappas
Had pineapple juice. My come tastes the same to me. We've had that one, Daddy. I likey Jackson Fullwood, soaping my ass so Chrissy troubles can blow bubbles.
Chris Distefano
Put them on the list.
Yannis Pappas
All right.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Soaping my ass is funny.
Chris Distefano
Put him on the list.
Yannis Pappas
Timothy Higgins the Third. Ed Gein was just being trans. Kal Wasaki and Philippe K. Lightbulb Services. Okay. Yannis Fumey, Feta Frankfurt. Father Bill's fingers smell like dad. Has anyone seen Ari Shafir? Question mark?
Chris Distefano
Good question.
Yannis Pappas
Jeremy Boardman bought Herstory Seahorses. Just in case. Okay. Saudi Arabian summer camp for gifted journalists.
Chris Distefano
Ladder 14. Put them on the list.
Yannis Pappas
Gal named Christy who wants Chrissy's D in her baby P. There you go. Casey Oldenberg. Straight to the back. Alici Meron. New York Yankee. Great Wang. Sorry. Okay. Want the other one? All head. All head. No shaft. And the head isn't big, either.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, put it on the list.
Yannis Pappas
All right. There we go.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Mr. Sister Pfister. Samuel Batters John Daly's liver enzymes. Situation Ship Bacalao melted six. Epstein's hoping for some Hanukkah Tua when he sees the labia minora. My father used to put Tylenol in his ass to come. I guess that's why I'm autistic. Okay, Atlanta minorities, AKA the Whites. Can I finance the Tim Dillon episode with a 408 credit score?
Chris Distefano
Probably not.
Yannis Pappas
Probably not, Eric. Brendan Shaw picks up Joe Rogan thinking it's his Golden Globe trophy.
Chris Distefano
It's very funny.
Yannis Pappas
Very funny. Drexler, Z 14590. The mob cat here, not queer. Still don't like beer. I don't watch. I don't just watch these two. I Lear. Oh, I got cut off. Aaron, Manu. Stephanie. Garlic Knot. Gaga Happy Hour Prowler. A pork chop a day keeps the muzzies away.
Chris Distefano
Ladder 14. Very good, though. Okay. Is it a walked in one? It's a walked in one.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Toss my borderline list.
Yannis Pappas
Toss my daughter over the border. Smithtown Water. I like Elon's population Paste will save the Aryan race.
Chris Distefano
Those are. Can I put Those two on the list or. No, they should pay this point. Yeah, Drexler.
Yannis Pappas
All right.
Chris Distefano
Fuck the pork chop. A day that those are both Drexlers.
Yannis Pappas
My AI girlfriend has to co sign my lease. Joe Smith, Colin Davis, Blistery Bipenis. Rename Cross Bay to Haunted House Avenue because it's getting spooky.
Chris Distefano
He walked into one, Chris. Okay.
Yannis Pappas
Walked into one.
Chris Distefano
Walked in a way I thought it was.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Get screwed in.
Chris Distefano
They're very creative to slip them by you. Yeah, yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Get screwed in and sell brother's school hoodie, you fucking Cyclops. What?
Chris Distefano
It is. No, that's offensive. Can't do that, guys.
Yannis Pappas
Rosa Parks. Too close. Lord Grippington. Neil Jones. Tom Feedback. Momoa's Spam.
Chris Distefano
Can that. Tom Feedback.
Yannis Pappas
That's Tom feedback. Probably, yeah. AOC's leaky roof. I'm catching the drops. And my mouth.
Chris Distefano
Very funny, Drexler.
Yannis Pappas
Martin Luther. Ding. I have a nightmare.
Chris Distefano
Ladder 14. I can't do anything about that.
Yannis Pappas
The bullet that pierced my Lord Giannis's thigh. Okay, okay. Eric Gutierrez. Andrew El Sagatti. History hyena's name and bio in eileen's basement. Had 17 steps, but she only needed 12. Get it? Oh.
Chris Distefano
12 steps. Drinking.
Yannis Pappas
Oh, okay. Got it.
Chris Distefano
It was a good attempt. Yeah.
Yannis Pappas
Jen salmons. Jeffrey Harvey Jr. S Babe. Comfort Just sounds too much like Comfort. Co Dilf Wonton Carbonara, AKA Tim D's ink Toots Glue coated ham flute. Okay. Too long. Mike Piazza's squeaky side piece. The Mets would have won in 2000 if he ate more pineapple. Yep. Jake Kelly, Jacob Spiewak, Scott Cat McCarthy, Andrew McLade, Joe Spore, Ryan O'. Gorman, Chris Sewer. Joshua Coombs, Andrew Stern, Xavier Harrelson, Rob M. Dustin Fitzsimmons. Honey baked ham candles, $10. Hobo Dano. Dick to the back. Subscribing to the Patreon instead of browsers. Hashtag Addicted to Men and snow. No. Addicted to and snow. Sorry. Tim Dillon's butt plug smells like Akash's grandmother's cooking. It's what it is. Okay, okay. Drexler, Joe M. Rachel Brodor.
Chris Distefano
Does that deserve to be a list? Just describing the smell.
Yannis Pappas
Yeah. Yeah. Dylan Doas, Rachel Brodeur.
Chris Distefano
Hey.
Yannis Pappas
Siri Tech. Peg me big, okay? Can't disparage family. Ben Dejo, Cash Patel's eyes. Just did that after his Frisbee. Honey pot said there's no such thing as Valhalla. Okay. Like that Schindler's Cunt. Cause he Drexlered my granddad. Dylan Forrester. Muzzy stock market, aka the Sandra D. 500. And then I like my cereal heated in the microwave. I call it Hiroshima Rice Krispies.
Chris Distefano
No, no, can't do it.
Yannis Pappas
Okay, so then we. We have a relatively weak lip.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, I can't.
Yannis Pappas
Unfortunately, we do have a relatively weak list today. But that's okay. That happens. You. Good games and bad games. So the list right now, there's only three. Soaping my ass. So Chrissy troubles can blow bubbles. Saudi Arabian summer camp for gifted journalists. All head, no shaft. And the head isn't big either.
Chris Distefano
Okay, we're going to Drex for the head isn't big either. Okay, then we have a runoff between two, I think, very good ones. Even though it was a light.
Yannis Pappas
And it's one of these things where it's like. It's like the NBA this year. Like the, you know, Pacers are down, Celtics are down. But this is what happens sometimes. Like, this is the year for the Knicks hopefully to win the championship. This is the year that these two names in a. In a high power list wouldn't make it. But it doesn't matter. It's luck of the draw, right? So these. One of these two names can win that inevitably, arguably, probably wouldn't have won in a stronger list for the stronger year.
Chris Distefano
And they happen to be lucky enough to be on the same list with a couple of guys who got DQ'd. They got disqualified because they were walked into one.
Yannis Pappas
Right. So you have soaping my ass.
Chris Distefano
By the way, we're going to do a walked into once award at the end of the year, which I guess will be the end of December. We're gonna compile all the walked into ones and pick the best one.
Yannis Pappas
Sabrina the hyena is working on that. Thank you very much. Soaping my ass so Chrissy troubles can blow bubbles or Saudi Arabian summer camp for gifted journalists. What do we like?
Chris Distefano
That's a coin toss. Both very good. I'm leaning towards Saudi Arabia. I like the bubbles one. It makes me laugh. It's a funny visual.
Yannis Pappas
Soaping my ass. You don't even hear that. You know, we haven't had a Chris one in a. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
All right. Where do you go, Chris?
Yannis Pappas
I mean, since I went to Saudi Arabia and saw some of the places where they keep the gifted journalists, I'm going to go with soaping my ass.
Chris Distefano
Okay, well, there we have it. Nick, where do you go? I'll go Saudi Arabia.
Yannis Pappas
Wow. So now.
Chris Distefano
Whoa, whoa.
Yannis Pappas
Now we got a. Now we got a twofer.
Chris Distefano
Oh, whoa.
Yannis Pappas
So what do we do now? Get Pat in here. Whoa.
Chris Distefano
No, that's just. Yanni's got to make an executive decision.
Yannis Pappas
That's.
Chris Distefano
You are.
Yannis Pappas
You are.
Chris Distefano
I just got to make an executive decision. I mean, a guy did die, right? Guy did die. But it is funny, right? We're going to keep it light because we did a Rat Pack episode. We're going to keep it light any other day. Thank you for playing.
Yannis Pappas
Right.
Chris Distefano
Walked into ones also. Thank you for playing, but we're going with Chrissy banging that guy in the ass and creating bubbles.
Yannis Pappas
So congratulations to soaping my ass. So Chrissy tried Troubles can blow bubbles. Go to. You are the winner from patreon.com history hyenas. Go to History Hyenas is back. So your name up in lights. Thank you guys so much. Let us know what your favorite Rat Pack song is.
Podcast: History Hyenas
Hosts: Chris Distefano & Yannis Pappas
Episode Title: The Rat Pack Fux
Date: November 13, 2025
In this energetic and irreverent episode, comedians Chris Distefano and Yannis Pappas take on the legendary Rat Pack—Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., Joey Bishop, and Peter Lawford. Through their signature blend of humor and history, they cover the cultural impact, personal dramas, backstage stories, and outrageous behaviors of the iconic entertainment crew that defined an era. The conversation includes classic Rat Pack antics, mafia connections, cultural shifts from the 1950s–70s, and spontaneous riffing on everything from Sammy Davis Jr.'s unique identity to tabloid rumors about Sinatra's descendants.
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[42:44–43:38, 57:39–58:10]
[55:06–56:22]
[59:52–65:22]
| Time | Segment/Topic | |----------|------------------------------------------------| | 00:27 | Opening—brief (and wild) Benjamin Franklin talk transitions to Rat Pack announcement | | 01:17 | Racial dynamics—sammy davis Jr. in the Pack | | 02:16 | Yannis admits he prepped for the wrong show, segues into personal Rat Pack anecdotes | | 10:10 | Cultural divide and Rat Pack vibe | | 12:02 | Full roll call of the “official” Rat Pack members | | 13:27 | How the “old school” lived differently—health/longevity riff | | 16:30 | Humphrey Bogart’s home and the Rat Pack’s origin story | | 18:23 | Frankie establishes Rat Pack as a “thing” with Vegas shows | | 28:10 | Mafia background—Sinatra’s mobster connections | | 30:20 | Discussion of physical fights among the group | | 36:14 | Martin & Lewis: comedy duo’s rise and breakup | | 41:03 | Frankie “blackballs” Joey Bishop | | 55:06 | Rat Pack stage format was all about group chemistry | | 57:39 | Ego, fame, and pettiness in showbiz | | 59:52 | Frank Sinatra, Mia Farrow, Ronan Farrow—tabloid angle | | 63:34 | Legacy: Rat Pack appearances, guests, and pop culture | | 65:22+ | Patreon/fan shoutouts & riffing (non-content) |
Through a mix of history and relentless banter, Chris and Yannis sketch the Rat Pack as legends who lived indulgently, joked ruthlessly, and defined an era of "cool" that's impossible to recreate. The duo lean into the group's contradictions—between glamorous friendship and competitive ego, backstage orgies and onstage charisma, social boundary-breaking and mafia ties—leaving listeners laughing, cringing, and wondering how much of the legend is real. The Hyenas’ intentionally unreliable riffing (“some of the things I could have been saying is true, some false…that’s the thing about the show” [53:36]) is half the fun and part of the history.
“Let us know what your favorite Rat Pack song is!” — Yannis [76:35]
Tip: If you want actual musical recommendations or are looking to learn more about specific Rat Pack performances or movies referenced, dig deeper into live footage from the Sands Hotel, Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis movies, and Sinatra’s solo and group recordings from the era.