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Episode: The Bridge: R. Kelly and Music's #MeToo Reckoning

Host: Chris Molanphy (with TJ Raphael)
Date: February 15, 2019

Episode Overview

This mini-episode, “The Bridge: R. Kelly and Music's #MeToo Reckoning,” serves as a follow-up to the preceding full episode focused on Lady Gaga and as a conversational interlude before the next major topic. Host Chris Molanphy is joined by producer TJ Raphael for a candid discussion on the intersection of pop music, artist accountability, and the slow arrival of the #MeToo movement in the music industry, particularly in light of ongoing allegations against R. Kelly. The episode also explores the broader cultural reckoning with musicians accused of misconduct and includes a trivia segment for subscribers.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Lady Gaga’s Controversy Over R. Kelly Collaboration

• Discussion launches from Lady Gaga’s past collaboration with R. Kelly on “Do What U Want” (2013) and her initial reluctance to condemn him amidst longstanding allegations.
• TJ Raphael expresses disbelief at Gaga’s earlier defense of R. Kelly, given her advocacy for sexual assault survivors, notably with “Til It Happens to You” (2015) for the documentary The Hunting Ground (02:04).
• Chris explains why they excluded “Do What U Want” from the Gaga episode—standing in solidarity with the #MuteRKelly movement and following Gaga's own recent apologies and removal of the song from streaming services (03:20).

“It wasn’t a tough call. Given the #MuteRKelly movement, I felt it was important to stand with those who are not playing R. Kelly’s music at this time... Gaga herself... walked back and apologized for her comments and... removed ‘Do What U Want’ from ARTPOP on Spotify and Apple Music.”
— Chris Molanphy (03:20)

Why Has the Music Industry Lagged in its #MeToo Reckoning?

• Chris questions why music has been so slow to enact change compared to movies, publishing, and TV (03:20–05:11).
  • Speculates that music’s culture of “freedom of speech” and the long-standing mythos of “the underage girl” in rock ’n’ roll make it resistant to addressing abuse.
  • Points to historical examples (e.g., Chuck Berry’s “Sweet Little Sixteen,” the Beatles’ “I Saw Her Standing There”) as interwoven with problematic tropes (04:58–05:11).

The Power (and Limitations) of Fan Activism

• TJ highlights the significance of grassroots pressure and the #MuteRKelly campaign in demanding accountability from the music industry (06:09–07:21).
• Chris elaborates on how music’s omnipresence in public spaces complicates disengagement, making collective action both vital and challenging (07:21).

“It is interesting that it took pressure from... rank and file fans to finally bring this about... Even before the documentary, the #MuteRKelly movement was starting to build momentum.”
— Chris Molanphy (07:21)

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson, and Pop Music's Uneasy Reckoning

• The conversation shifts to how R. Kelly’s hits, and his work for others like Michael Jackson, shaped public willingness to “forgive” or ignore allegations (09:35).
• Recent documentaries (Surviving R. Kelly, new Michael Jackson allegations) suggest 2019 may bring broader reckonings for pop culture icons (07:21–09:35).
• TJ notes the deeply embedded nature of Michael Jackson’s music in American culture, illustrating the challenge in separating the art from the artist (08:48).

“Michael Jackson is a part of American culture. He is woven into the fabric of our society in all kinds of ways... And, yeah, I mean, he’s an American institution.”
— TJ Raphael (08:48)

Ethical Listening and Industry Responsibility

• Chris discusses the tension between loving memorable music and confronting the crimes or abuse of its creators, noting how a “jam” like “Ignition (Remix)” can allow cognitive dissonance (09:35–10:20).
• Listeners are encouraged to share how they feel about the MeToo movement’s impact on music and reflect on their personal stances (10:20–10:28).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The larger question is how R. Kelly has continued to be supported by this music industry, by other artists. This has been the $64 million question for MeToo: when is the music business... going to have a MeToo reckoning?”
  — Chris Molanphy (03:39)

• “It kind of surrounds you... you may be confronted by a song out, you know, when you go to the drugstore or in a passing car.”
  — Chris Molanphy (07:21)

• “We allow ourselves, when we have a catchy record like ‘Ignition (Remix)’ ...to blissfully forget what we’re talking about when we talk about these allegations.”
  — Chris Molanphy (09:35)

Important Segment Timestamps

• Lady Gaga’s Collaboration with R. Kelly & MeToo Paradox: 02:04–03:20
• R. Kelly’s Ongoing Support in Music & Industry Slowness: 03:20–06:09
• Fan Activism and #MuteRKelly: 06:09–07:21
• Music’s Ubiquity & Impact on Accountability: 07:21–08:48
• Michael Jackson Allegations & Cultural Ubiquity: 08:48–09:35
• Ethical Listening/Industry Responsibility: 09:35–10:20
• Listener Engagement Call: 10:20–10:28

Trivia Segment Highlights (11:06–22:24)

• Trivia Contestant: Anne from Washington, D.C. (longtime Slate Plus member)
• Sample Questions Discussed:
  • Lady Gaga’s top-selling digital tracks (Answer: “Just Dance” and “Poker Face”; 13:51)
  • Credence Clearwater Revival (CCR) – record for most #2 hits without a #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, and which songs blocked them (14:56–16:23)
• Anne’s Trivia for Chris: Which band, besides CCR, hails from El Cerrito, CA? (Answer: Metallica, not Van Halen—17:38–18:59)
• Fun reveal: TJ’s go-to karaoke song is “Proud Mary” by CCR (21:44–21:57)

Closing Thoughts

The episode thoughtfully confronts how the music industry continues to lag in holding stars accountable for sexual abuses, weaving in historical context and the unique challenges music poses for activism and ethical listening. The hosts encourage open discourse among listeners, highlight the role of fan-driven activism, and balance heaviness with signature trivia and listener interaction. The conversation is honest, nuanced, and reflective of the ongoing—and overdue—reckoning in pop music.

For full context, tune in to [Hit Parade: The Bridge – R. Kelly and Music's #MeToo Reckoning] or connect with Chris and TJ on social media to share your views on where the music industry's reckoning should go next.