The Wild West in Palisade, Nevada

Summary

Hoax! – “The Wild West in Palisade, Nevada”

Podcast: Hoax!
Hosts: Dana Schwartz, Lizzie Logan
Release Date: September 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Hoax!, Dana Schwartz and Lizzie Logan dive into the story of Palisade, Nevada—the mining town that allegedly staged daily Wild West shootouts and spectacles to entertain unsuspecting train passengers. Was it real? Or is the entire story an elaborate piece of satire, a hoax layered upon a hoax? Through their witty, conversational style, Dana and Lizzie unravel not just the legend itself, but what it reveals about America’s hunger for sensational stories, the blurred lines between reality and fiction in the Wild West, and how hoaxes play upon what audiences want to believe.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Wild West as Constructed Myth

• Hollywood & Pop Culture: Lizzie opens by joking about her limited knowledge of the Wild West, referencing “Wild Wild West” (the song and movie), saloons, and Back to the Future 3 ([03:49–04:10]).
• The West as Entertainment: Dana explains how the idea of the “Wild West” was sensationalized even in its own time, through minstrel shows, dime novels, and stage performances ([05:06–08:04]).
  • Quote: “Even in the 1870s, the idea of the west as a piece of popular entertainment was being formed in real time.” —Dana ([07:23])
• Pop History Note: Lizzie brings up Bass Reeves, the Black U.S. Marshal who inspired the Lone Ranger myth, revealing the ways history has been whitewashed ([08:13–08:54]).

2. The Palisade, Nevada Prank

• Setting the Scene: Dana describes Palisade in the late 19th century as a sleepy mining town with far less excitement than the dime novels promised.
  • “To live there is mostly because you’re a miner working in mines 10 hours a day, six days a week...a lot of xenophobia...mostly boring work.” —Dana ([09:53–10:22])
• The Hoax Begins: Starting in 1868, trains stopping in Palisade would encounter staged shootouts, “murders,” and other acts of violence, exactly what passengers expected from the Wild West. The townsfolk, bored and seeking amusement, orchestrated these performances for passing tourists ([10:36–13:41]).
  • Quote: “Basically, the passengers on this train would stop...A scene out of a Wild west dime novel would happen.” —Dana ([11:22])
• No Financial Incentive: The performances were not for profit but simply for the townspeople’s and visitors’ amusement ([14:09]).

3. How the Hoax Worked

• Elaborate Staging: Actors (including hired Native Americans) were paid to participate. Animal blood, blanks, and melodrama completed the illusion.
  • Quote: “They used animal blood from the local slaughterhouse. They would load guns with powder but no ball...they just thought it was fun to trick city folks...” —Dana ([14:58])
• Repeated Acts: According to reports, the townsfolk staged as many as 1,000 such “shows”—one a day for three years ([15:42]).

4. The Satirical Twist: Was Even the Hoax a Hoax?

• Doubt Creeps In: The primary source for this legend is the Virginia City Territorial Enterprise, a newspaper known for its satirical articles and with Mark Twain himself as a contributor ([21:19–22:16]).
  • Quote: “[Mark Twain wrote] feats and calamities that we never hesitated about devising when the public needed matters of thrilling interest for breakfast...a ghastly factory of slaughter, mutilation, and general destruction in those days.” —Dana reading Twain ([22:16])
• The Clues within Fake News: Twain’s hoaxes often included hints for locals to recognize the fabrication—but the Palisade story lacks these, leading the hosts to wonder about its authenticity ([25:48–27:11]).
• No Corroborating Evidence: Despite references in later histories, no contemporary letters or additional sources exist apart from the Territorial Enterprise ([27:11–27:54]).

5. Palisade’s Later “Appearance” & Perpetual Mythmaking

• Another Infamous Incident: In 1932, a sensational story emerged that two men carrying dynamite planned to assassinate President Hoover as his train passed through Palisade. The “heroic guard” later admitted he made the story up—revealing the town’s penchant (or reputation) for mythmaking ([35:27–38:23]).
  • Quote: “So it’s a town of liars...either they lied in that they put on shows of things that were fake, or they lied and that they lied about putting on shows.” —Lizzie ([38:23–38:34])

6. Why Do We Want to Believe?

• The Power of Confirmation: The hosts reflect on how hoaxes persist when they reinforce what people already think or hope is true, whether it’s city slickers wanting a “wild” west or towns craving excitement ([42:04–42:35]).
  • Quote: “...people do believe hoaxes when they reinforce what you already think.” —Dana ([42:04])
• Improv, Delight, and Community: Lizzie expresses her love for “let’s put on a show” narratives, drawing connections to modern flash mobs and improv everywhere, and imagining how fun it would be to stage such an act today ([13:41–17:09], [39:11–39:29]).

7. Meta-Hoax and the Movie Version

• The hosts joke about making a movie of the Palisade hoax—whether as a Judd Apatow ensemble comedy or a meta-version like A Bug’s Life ([41:14–43:01]).
• They ponder whether they would fall for such a stunt, emphatically agreeing they would both be delighted to witness and participate ([41:21–41:28]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Even in the 1870s, the idea of the West as a piece of popular entertainment was being formed in real time.”
  —Dana Schwartz ([07:23])

• “Basically, the passengers...would stop in the 10 minutes that they would be stretching their legs, a scene out of a Wild West dime novel would happen.”
  —Dana Schwartz ([11:22])

• “I absolutely love this.”
  —Lizzie Logan, on discovering Palisade’s prank ([13:41])

• On Mark Twain’s satire:
  “We never hesitated about devising [feats and calamities] when the public needed matters of thrilling interest for breakfast...”
  —Dana reading Twain ([22:16])

• “So it’s a town of liars. Either they lied in that they put on shows of things that were fake, or they lied and that they lied about putting on shows.”
  —Lizzie Logan ([38:23])

• “...people do believe hoaxes when they reinforce what you already think.”
  —Dana Schwartz ([42:04])

• Meta Moment:
  “On Tumblr, the like ‘and then everyone clapped’ thing…writing little fictional stories that sort of reinforce what they think of the world and then they go viral and, like, it’s obviously fake, but you just kind of want to believe it’s real.”
  —Lizzie Logan ([41:45])

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Important Timestamps

• 03:38 — Setup: Wild West myth in pop culture and history curriculum
• 05:06–08:04 — Rise of dime novels & Buffalo Bill’s Wild West
• 11:18–13:41 — Description of Palisade’s staged shootouts
• 14:09–15:47 — Mechanics and motivations behind the prank
• 21:19–27:11 — The satirical source of the story & Mark Twain’s hoax journalism
• 35:27–38:23 — The 1932 Hoover assassination attempt: another Palisade hoax
• 42:04 — Why we believe hoaxes (confirmation and expectation)
• 41:14–43:01 — Joking about the movie version and willingness to believe

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Final Reflections

Dana and Lizzie expertly blend humor, skepticism, and genuine curiosity to dissect the story of Palisade, Nevada, ultimately leaving listeners pondering: Was the Wild West ever real, or was it always a performance—one as much for ourselves as any outsider? Whether or not Palisade ever staged such spectacles, the story’s endurance reveals just how much we crave wild tales that fit our beliefs and yearnings.

“It’s plausible… There’s no law that says we can’t believe it.”
—Dana Schwartz ([30:08])

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Transcript

[Lizzie Logan]

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You are listening to Hoax, a production of I Heart Podcasts. Folks, It's a hoax, and I swear I never was deceiving I'm left wondering. Welcome to Hoax, a podcast about the lies we wish were true and truths that sound like lies.

[Lizzie Logan]

Every episode, we look at one story of a prank or grift from history so big and bold it makes us question why we believe.

[Dana Schwartz]

I'm the ghost of Dana Schwartz.

[Lizzie Logan]

And I'm the evil twin of Lizzie Logan.

[Dana Schwartz]

Welcome to the show. Lizzie, what's your relationship to the idea of the Wild West? Just like the concept.

[Lizzie Logan]

I think it's one of the best songs written for a movie ever. Will Smith did a great job, and Kevin Kline freaked it. And that's pretty much what I know about the Wild West. I'm thinking saloons and Back to the future 3. That's what I know about the West.

[Dana Schwartz]

I mean, it's kind of interesting that now the west is just sort of an aesthetic. There's, like, a slight space, and there's cowboys.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah.

[Dana Schwartz]

It's just like, I don't think people know a lot about the. The history of the west, really. I mean, so I'm.

[Lizzie Logan]

I'm from California, and a big part of growing up in California is, like, every year you're in middle school, your history curriculum module is, like, learning about California. So, like, you learn about the gold rush and you learn about the missions and. But you never really learn about, like, cowboy times, I think, because it's, like, pretty problematic. So I don't know. I know a lot about, like, pueblos and, like, how to pan for gold and the difference between, like, fool's gold and real gold. But I don't know anything about, like, Wyatt Earp or Billy the Kid.

[Dana Schwartz]

But, you know, that's like a perfect segue because kind of even at the time, the idea of the west was just sort of this invented idea.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah.

[Dana Schwartz]

So I'm gonna. Before we get into the hoax, just a little bit background, I think, sort of people point out what, like, the origin of the idea of, like, the Wild West. I'm doing, like, air quotes. Is. But kind of. In the 1840s, the west, as an idea, began to get really popular with, like, minstrel shows and P.T. barnum presenting, like, reenactments of Native American chiefs and tribal dances in his exhibits and exhibitions. So it was, like, already in a fetishized object sort of where it's like, ooh, mysterious and exotic.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah. And people were like, let's go Die on the Oregon Trail. Cause we totally wanna be part of this.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, it was like, yeah, that sounds romantic and fun. Well, in 1859, dime novels came out. So these super cheap paperback novels with very simplistic themes of like heroic cowboys, you know, savage. Native American savage in air quotes. Outlaws, settlers, like the tropes that people even now think of as the cowboys were like, invented for fiction in 19, you know, 1859. They're written super, super quickly. People are writing like multiple dime novels about cowboys a month, and people are eating them up. There's this guy named Ned Buntline who is a writer who read this article about Wild Bill Hickok, who was a soldier and a scout and gunslinger. And Ned, this writer, ran up to Wild Bill Hickok in a saloon and said, there's my man, I want you. Because he wanted to write a dime novel about him. But allegedly Hickok hated being surprised. And the fact that a guy ran up to him was like, ew. He pulled his gun out and told him to get out of town.

[Lizzie Logan]

I thought you were gonna say that he just shot him. Like, it seems like a really bad idea to surprise a gunslinger in a saloon.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, but no, he just said, get out. And, you know, get out of town in 24 hours. And so Buntline is like, fine, I'll talk to one of your friends and write a dime novel about him. And he finds this 23 year old guy named William F. Cody, aka Buffalo Bill. Interesting. A guy, he had fought some battles against the Sioux and Cheyenne and was, you know, a buffalo wrangler hunter.

[Lizzie Logan]

Sure.

[Dana Schwartz]

And he and Ned Buntline become friends. He writes. Buntline writes this very popular serialized novel called Buffalo Bill the King of the Border, which is adapted into a hit play. And then in like the 1870s, Buffalo Bill starts playing himself on stage in like Wild west shows. There's the show called the Scouts up the Prairie, produced by Ned Buntline. New plays every year. This troupe tours for 10 years. They do, like, big reenactments of fights with Native Americans and it goes all over the world. So Even in the 1870s, the idea of the west as a piece of popular entertainment was being formed in real time.

[Lizzie Logan]

Interesting. I have a fun fact that I wonder if you're about to get to.

[Dana Schwartz]

Oh, my God, no, please.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yanking the rug out because I'm about.

[Dana Schwartz]

To change the subject and talk about a hoax.

[Lizzie Logan]

Oh, okay. Well, do you know the thing about the Lone Ranger?

[Dana Schwartz]

No.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay, so the Lone Ranger is a fictional character, but he was Sort of based on a real U.S. marshal named Bass Reeves, who was, like, known as, like, the most badass U.S. marshal in the West. And he was black.

[Dana Schwartz]

Whoa. Yeah. That's amazing.

[Lizzie Logan]

He started his life as an enslaved person and then became a U.S. marshal, and then was, like, the coolest U.S. marshal ever. And is one of the. Like, he and. And some other people inspired the character of the Lone Ranger. But, like, what a cool figure from history that got whitewashed, but, like, fortunately, now is getting unwhitewashed.

[Dana Schwartz]

That's so cool. I did not know that. Yeah.

[Lizzie Logan]

Anyway, so a cool figure from the Old West. Cool. Fun fact, Bass Reeves.

[Dana Schwartz]

So the Wild west is, like, at this point, Even in the 1870s, when the wild west is, like, still ostensibly happening. Even as it's happening, it's being, like, romanticized in real time. And people who don't live in the west, people live on the East Coast. People who live in big cities can see these Wild west shows, can read these dime novels, and they have an idea of what it's like to live in the Wild West. And the truth is not nearly as exciting as a dime novel, because it's like, those are. Those are novels, and not nearly as exciting as these shows, because those are. Those are performing shows. But case in point, a lot of people come out west just for jobs and, like, boring jobs. There's a town called Palisade in Nevada that's a very, very sleepy mining town. In 1868, it becomes a station on the Central Pacific Railroad, and it just basically only exists as a transportation hub for Eastern Nevada mining camps. And to live there is mostly because you're a miner working in mines 10 hours a day, six days a week. It's really physical, boring work. The truth of living there isn't very romantic. There's, like, a lot of xenophobia happening because people think Chinese people are stealing their jobs. And those jobs don't sound very fun in the first place.

[Lizzie Logan]

Nope.

[Dana Schwartz]

It's a very small town with basically one saloon, I guess. Probably what you're picturing for an Old west town.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah, I'm just picturing, like. And the only exciting thing that happened in this time is that, like, jeans were invented.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, Levi Strauss. Levi Strauss.

[Lizzie Logan]

My cousin comes right down the street, invented jeans.

[Dana Schwartz]

Well, what does become sort of exciting is in 1868, because this sleepy mining town is a stop on the Central Pacific Railroad, passenger trains will come through. Okay. Passenger trains from Chicago to San Francisco, which is basically from Dana to Lizzie.

[Lizzie Logan]

The Dana Lizzie Express.

[Dana Schwartz]

The Dana Lizzie Express. And it would stop in Palisade, usually as a chance for these people to stretch their legs. They would fill up more water in the engine and wait 10 minutes. And something kind of unusual started happening when the train stopped there. These big city. You know, I don't know what's like a cowboy way to insult a big city person.

[Lizzie Logan]

You halffalutin, halfalutin, fancy schmancy city.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, yeah. So these city slickers would be walking, stretching their legs when they would see in the middle of the street, a cowboy lift his pistol and go up to another man and say, I saw what you did with my sister. And the man would deny it. And then the cowboy's shot, and the guy collapses, and there's blood on the street, and people drag his body away. And a sheriff comes and chases. And then the train would be like, okay, all aboard. And you'd have to get back on the train and be like, oh, my God, what did we just see? Basically, the passengers on this train would stop in the 10 minutes that they would be stretching their legs, A scene out of a Wild west dime novel would happen.

[Lizzie Logan]

Is this like that bus tour in New York where it would, like, stop and they would, like, do a little song and dance?

[Dana Schwartz]

I mean, basically. But this wasn't a thing that the train hired. People were just like, what is happening? There's blood. You know, they dragged this body off. People would be like, oh, my God, the Wild west is really wild. The scene that I just described of a man shooting another guy, in the news article, to quote it, they say sympathetic friends carried off the dead and wounded to some neighboring saloon. And then frightened and bewildered immigrants, which are the train passengers, crawled from under seats and behind cars, their blanched faces and trembling limbs attesting to their belief in the genuineness of the fight. So train passengers passing through Palisade would just always happen to witness some astonishingly entertaining and terrifying moment of the Wild West. One time, half a dozen Native Americans ran into town and were, like, rounded up by a cowboy. Sometimes there were bloody shootouts. Sometimes sheriffs would arrest people. And the reason that this was always happening and that it was so entertaining was because it wasn't real.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah, they're doing improv.

[Dana Schwartz]

The entire city of Palisade, this sleepy, bored mining town, decided to give purpose to their sad, lonely mining, you know, exhausted lives that they would trick the city slickers on big trains who expected the Wild west to be some, like, you know, crazy gunslinging place. They're like, fine, you want it? We'll Give it to you, Dana.

[Lizzie Logan]

I absolutely love this.

[Dana Schwartz]

I love this.

[Lizzie Logan]

So, because my favorite, one of my favorite plots in a movie or episode of television is let's put on a show.

[Dana Schwartz]

Let's put on a show.

[Lizzie Logan]

Let's put on a show will get me pretty much anytime. Like it really, really delights me.

[Dana Schwartz]

So I'm gonna quote from an article from a newspaper called the Virginia City Territorial Enterprise, who wrot about this prank in October 1866.

[Lizzie Logan]

Are they making money from this?

[Dana Schwartz]

No, no, they're just doing it. So to quote, to quote, a half dozen Native Americans for a reasonable compensation would submit to being bound hand and foot and laid on the platform during the stay of the train. And around their prostate bodies a guard of citizens armed with immense revolvers, long rifles and bloodthirsty looking bowie knives would march with Marshal Maine, meanwhile entertaining the gaping open mouth greenhorns with blood curdling tales of border warfare. So they also got Native Americans that they're paying, paying a reasonable wage to participate in this.

[Lizzie Logan]

Who is paying them?

[Dana Schwartz]

I think the city. No one?

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay, so they have like a fund. They have like a entertain the tourists fund.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah. And according to this article, they used animal blood from the local slaughterhouse. They would load guns with powder but no ball. So like the guns would actually fire, but there would be no bullet. I mean all of it. Because they just thought it was fun to trick city folks who were looking down on the dangerous like savage west. And also according to lore, train passengers were complaining that the wild west they expected was really boring. So like train passengers had been like complaining to the train and complaining to people in the town that they're like, well, we expected something out of these wild west shows or like, you know, what we had been reading in dime novels and really it's so boring. So they decided they would put on a show.

[Lizzie Logan]

This is incredible.

[Dana Schwartz]

According to one source, they did like a thousand of these shows, which means like one a day for three years.

[Lizzie Logan]

This is incredible and is making me feel a lot of things because, so I'm from San Francisco, which has a really bad reputation right now. Like, and you know, don't take conservatives word for anything, but like people will say the most like whack shit about San Francisco. That would be offensive if you said it about other cities. Yeah, like people will, like I've, I've told people that I'm from San Francisco just in the course of conversation and people will be like, oh God, you know, a lot of drugs or like, oh, a lot of homelessness or Like a lot of.

[Dana Schwartz]

And you're like, it's a lot of.

[Lizzie Logan]

And I'm like, would you say to someone from Detroit, like a lot of gang violence, like a lot of gun violence? And I'm like, this is not like, like if someone said they were from New York, would you just be like, oh, a lot of terrorism. Like, yes, like it has problems. Like every city has pro. But now I'm just like, we should start doing this. Like anytime you see someone from out.

[Dana Schwartz]

Of town, like, we should just Fentanyl.

[Lizzie Logan]

Just like drop your pants, take a shit, offer them fentanyl, like shoot up like saline. Like, you know what I mean? Like we should just, if you know what you want bad San Francisco, like let's do it, let's give it to them.

[Dana Schwartz]

That is, it's like you get little tour buses of people from Texas to bring them to San Francis, put on a little show.

[Lizzie Logan]

I want to do this now. I'm like, yeah, let's lean into it.

[Dana Schwartz]

You like be like, where are your children? I would like to teach them pronouns.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yes. I would like to take their gender away and give them two items of crack cocaine.

[Dana Schwartz]

So that's, I mean that that's the source is that that's what's happening. That these people are just so bored and exhausted from their lives working 10 hour days. This town is so small they don't even have a theater to distract them. So like what going to do? And in actuality, crime was so low that Palisade did not even have a sheriff. So in this place where they were doing elaborate shootouts every day, it's like, actually no, everyone was getting along and there was no sheriff.

[Lizzie Logan]

I would like to think that they did a raffle every week to decide who got to play the sheriff.

[Dana Schwartz]

It would be so sweet.

[Lizzie Logan]

It would be like, oh well, it's Frank's birthday coming up, so he gets to play the sheriff that he gets to go on.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, yeah. And they have an endless supply of new audience members of unwilling audience members every single day.

[Lizzie Logan]

That's incredible.

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[Dana Schwartz]

But I'm going to break your heart just a little bit.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah, I thought maybe a twist might be coming.

[Dana Schwartz]

I'm so sorry. Because it's possible that this hoax is itself a hoax. Because that newspaper I quoted above, the Virginia City Territorial Enterprise, it is a real newspaper, but it's our main and only contemporary source on this hoax. And it also was a newspaper that frequently had joke and Satire articles. One of the main guys writing. He's the Onion of its day, but not quite. Okay, so here's the thing. One guy writing for it is a man you might have heard of by a little name named Mark Twain.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay, not to spoil this entire podcast, but Mark Twain wrote satire in newspapers that I just cannot get my head around.

[Dana Schwartz]

Well, hopefully, I think I'm gonna clear.

[Lizzie Logan]

That I just don't get.

[Dana Schwartz]

So in a. He wrote about his experience writing for the Virginia City Territorial Enterprise. And he said these stories were feats and calamities that we never hesitated about devising when the public needed matters of thrilling interest for breakfast. The seemingly tranquil Enterprise office was a ghastly factory of slaughter, mutilation, and general destruction in those days. So, you know, he's admitting that they just had fun writing bloody hoax articles.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay.

[Dana Schwartz]

He made up this story about a newly discovered petrified man. Like a man who had turned to stone in the desert. That from thousands of years ago. And then he also wrote this famous hoax article for this newspaper about a man going crazy and murdering his wife and kids, which sounds like a laugh riot.

[Lizzie Logan]

See, this is what I'm saying. I don't like mark. Mark.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Lizzie Logan]

Mr. Twain, I don't understand your humor.

[Dana Schwartz]

Well, okay, I'm gonna try to explain it for you.

[Lizzie Logan]

Please.

[Dana Schwartz]

The petrified man article, he describes it, and it reads like a straight article, except he also describes the position they found the man in is with his thumb against his nose. Like, thumbing his nose at the audience. So that was the big joke there.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay.

[Dana Schwartz]

And the other one, this story, which truly was just an article about a man going crazy and murdering his wife and kids. He begins by saying that the man was residing with his family in the log house just at the edge of the great pine forest between Empire City and Dutch Nix. There's no actual pine forest there. Which means that he wrote this article with, like, a hint for the people reading it that it wasn't real. Where he's like, people who live here will know that this is made up. And when this bloody story that people love, like, when it travels all over the world. Cause people love these bloody stories. Like, they won't know it's made up, but we will know it's made up. Cause I planted these little hints here. And more importantly, he was actually kind of trying to make a point with that article. Because at the end of that article about a husband going crazy, they say that the husband went crazy because he invested in this company, Spring Valley Water Company of San Francisco. Which was a real company and was crooked and went under. And they were like. And he lost all his money and went crazy. And so the end of the article says, the newspapers of San Francisco permitted this water company to go on borrowing money and cooking dividends, under cover of which cunning financiers crept out of the tottering concern, leaving the crash to come upon poor and unsuspecting stockholders without offering to expose the villainy at work. We hope this fearful massacre detailed above may prove the saddest result of their silence. So later, when he admits it's a hoax, he says it was necessary to publish the story in order to get the fact into the San Francisco papers that the Spring Valley Water Company was cooking dividends by borrowing money. The only way you could get that fact into a San Francisco journal is to smuggle it in through some great tragedy. You're making a concerned face.

[Lizzie Logan]

I'm just thinking. I'm thinking and I'm considering.

[Dana Schwartz]

It's not all good, but I understand why some, like, I don't know, little writer would have fun with this being, like, people are gobbling up stories about men murdering people, and no one cares about a. A story about a stock company.

[Lizzie Logan]

I mean, okay, so that I understand. Like has a point to me that is not like. That is a different thing from, like. It's a. Like, that's not funny. But I'm like, okay, so he was.

[Dana Schwartz]

But I think he did think it was funny.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay, I think he was wrong.

[Dana Schwartz]

I think he thought it was funny to write these stories that he knew the public would eat up for his own little, like, ends, whatever those ends may be, whether it was just, like, thumbing their nose or being like, hey, this stock company. This company. I want to, like, expose the fact that they were cooking dividends. And I think he thought it was funny to leave hints that certain people reading it would know it was made up. But not everyone. Hmm.

[Lizzie Logan]

Well, I'll have an answer for you on our new podcast, dissecting Mark Twain, hundreds of years after his death.

[Dana Schwartz]

Mark Twain, funny or not.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah, I wanna go back to living in the world of 5 minutes ago when I thought that a whole town did a fun prank.

[Dana Schwartz]

Well, but here's. Here's what I want to say. The Virginia City Territorial Enterprise did publish real articles. There are real articles. And also when it did publish joke articles, there were usually those specific hints of, like, the petrified man was thumbing his nose. Or it says that there's, like a.

[Lizzie Logan]

Did Mark Twain write for the Virginia Minimum?

[Dana Schwartz]

Okay, so he wrote for this paper. And, you know, when there were joke articles, they usually had those hints of, like, there's a big pine forest here, but there's not. And the Palisade hoax story does not have any of those markers.

[Lizzie Logan]

But there's no other contemporary accounts. Like, there's nobody who wrote. We don't have any, like, letters from someone being like, I was on the train today and I saw the craziest thing.

[Dana Schwartz]

No.

[Lizzie Logan]

Although, did your cousin see that when they took the same train?

[Dana Schwartz]

There's an amateur historian named Gerald B. Higgs who wrote, like, a. A pretty well regarded account of the palisade toques in 1976. And he said that his sources was visiting the county recorder's offices in Nevada and was like, I was boots on the ground. But he doesn't actually cite his sources. So we don't know. And our only contemporary contemporary source is the Virginia newspaper where there were hoax articles.

[Lizzie Logan]

Is this town real?

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah. Do they. I mean, are there, like, descendants of the people who live there? Could we ask?

[Dana Schwartz]

I don't know. Well, I could tell you. So what happened next?

[Lizzie Logan]

If we have listeners in Nevada, can you, like, go there and check for us?

[Dana Schwartz]

Well, that might be a little tricky.

[Lizzie Logan]

Does nobody live there anymore?

[Dana Schwartz]

Because. So in 1885, the Eureka mines just declined, and so most people just started to move away. In 1910, there was a flood that destroyed most of the town. The post office was discontinued in 1961. And then in a Schitt's Creek twist, the entire town was sold at auction April 26, 2005 for $150,000 to an unidentified bidder.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay.

[Dana Schwartz]

Because it's just a ghost town now.

[Lizzie Logan]

If you own this town, if you're.

[Dana Schwartz]

The unidentified bidder, can you please.

[Lizzie Logan]

You know what? Can you make this real? Like, can you set? I will. I know a lot of improv people, and we will do this.

[Dana Schwartz]

Should we just. Should we crowdfund and buy this town to make it an improv theater?

[Lizzie Logan]

Like, can we just do, like, a week of these performances?

[Dana Schwartz]

Although then it would just become cowboy Old Williamsburg. Colonial Williamsburg, or like, Westworld without.

[Lizzie Logan]

You say that. Like, that's a really bad thing. And I think it would be so fun.

[Dana Schwartz]

Do you think people would go to Westworld with people?

[Lizzie Logan]

Mm, yes.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Lizzie Logan]

I don't know. Maybe.

[Dana Schwartz]

But I think part of the fun is also that the people watching didn't know it was fake, that they thought it was real. If they know you're acting, it's less fun.

[Lizzie Logan]

I think it's. I Mean, I don't really want to see anybody get murdered, so for me, it's more fun. Nobody's getting murdered, hussy.

[Dana Schwartz]

Logan. Hot Take doesn't want to see people murdered.

[Lizzie Logan]

Hot Take. I would rather pay for admission to an interactive show than take a train ride through a sleepy town and witness a crime.

[Dana Schwartz]

Well, I mean, people agreed with you because clearly, people loved, like, Wild west shows like Annie Oakley and, like, you know, Buffalo Bill were wildly popular, but this would have been the only show where they thought they were getting the real thing. Maybe it was true. We can. We can. There's no law that says we can't believe it.

[Lizzie Logan]

There is no law yet.

[Dana Schwartz]

And again, the article itself doesn't have any indicators that it was fake and it was picked up by news sources, you know, at the time. It's plausible.

[Lizzie Logan]

It does seem sort of unlikely that in a thousand shows, no one else, like, you would think after 500 shows, another. A reporter from another newspaper would be like, I'm gonna go check this out.

[Dana Schwartz]

Like, maybe the Wild west was just so wild. These things are happening all the time. They were too busy making up stories about men going crazy because they lost their fortune in crooked stock companies.

[Lizzie Logan]

Do you think anything about the Wild west was real? Like, do you think, like, did Davy Crockett fight a bear?

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah. And the shootout at O.K. corral was real?

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah.

[Dana Schwartz]

But I think.

[Lizzie Logan]

Do you remember the Alamo?

[Dana Schwartz]

I don't, actually. I'm, like, not.

[Lizzie Logan]

I'm never thinking about the algae on the Alamo. I genuinely never think about the Alamo.

[Dana Schwartz]

I'm almost embarrassed I've spent so much time researching for my other podcast, Noble Blood. Like, I know so much more about European history than I do, like, basic American history. Genuinely, I'm, like, way better versed on British history than I am American history.

[Lizzie Logan]

Well, I'm not well versed in either, so guess I'm a patriot.

[Dana Schwartz]

I also think a lot of.

[Lizzie Logan]

Guess it's pretty patriotic of me to be ignorant.

[Dana Schwartz]

Classic American.

[Lizzie Logan]

Classic American.

[Dana Schwartz]

It's just, I think a lot of our ideas about the Wild west make it more glamorous than it is. Like, I think the violence was mostly people, like, stealing livestock, and that's what happened. There were gangs of people stealing livestock occasionally, and they would get shot. And I don't think it was, like, glamorous heroes and villains the way that they were portrayed in dime novels, because those were popular entertainment. And there's always been violence. And I think that there's violence in cities and there's violence in rural areas. And I think that the idea of romanticizing it because it's like an aesthetic that's appealing doesn't make it any more true than, you know, the reality, which is probably way less glamorous, unless it's just people putting on a show. Because that is really fun.

[Lizzie Logan]

I would love that.

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[Dana Schwartz]

Can I leave you with one more Palisade story?

[Lizzie Logan]

Please.

[Dana Schwartz]

So Palisade got to be in the news one more time in 1932 when President Hoover was taking the train back to California to vote.

[Lizzie Logan]

If you had paid me $1,000, I could not have told you who was president in 1932.

[Dana Schwartz]

What if I gave you, like, five guesses?

[Lizzie Logan]

Like, Hoover is just not a president that I know about.

[Dana Schwartz]

I remember this is a tiny aside.

[Lizzie Logan]

I just would have said fdr. And I would have, like, gone to my grave saying fdr.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, close enough.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay.

[Dana Schwartz]

I remember being in sixth grade and sitting in my social studies class looking at a poster of all the American president. And again, sixth grade is what, like 11, 12? Yeah. And I saw on the poster that there was a president named Chester Arthur. And I distinctly remember being like, I have never heard that name before. Every other name on this poster I have, like, heard and I'm aware of as a president. That was the moment where I was like, we had a president named Chester Arthur.

[Lizzie Logan]

And now we can cut this if you want. That's a very important name to you.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah. I have a son named Arthur. We do not have to cut that. He's very important to me.

[Lizzie Logan]

I wasn't gonna cut it, but I just. If you want his name on the.

[Dana Schwartz]

Pod, I don't care. His name is Arthur on social media all the time. But, yeah, at that moment, I decided if I ever have a son, it will be honor American president.

[Lizzie Logan]

America's most forgettable president.

[Dana Schwartz]

I think he might be. I would argue that he's America's most forgettable president.

[Lizzie Logan]

America's most forgettable president. Sorry, you were talking about President Hoover.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah. President Hoover was taking the train to California to vote because he was gonna vote in his home state in the election.

[Lizzie Logan]

I didn't know he was from California.

[Dana Schwartz]

I guess. I guess the Hoover Dam. Hoover Dam. Oh, my God, the Hoover Dam. We're learning so much about American history in this episode. Lizzie's really going through it.

[Lizzie Logan]

Forget it, Jake. It's China. But.

[Dana Schwartz]

But the night before the president's train passed through Palisade, a guard caught two men carrying 17 sticks of dynamite who are planning on blowing up the train and assassinating the president.

[Lizzie Logan]

Is this real or is this maybe a hoax?

[Dana Schwartz]

No, I mean, the guard said that he did this. They tried to stab.

[Lizzie Logan]

But I mean, is this, like, from real newspapers and stuff?

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah, this is real.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay.

[Dana Schwartz]

Okay. They tried to stab and shoot this guard, the guy who were trying to blow up the train, but he survived. He prevented them from blowing up the train, and Hoover was fine. This tiny town of 300 people was huge news because it was an attempted assassination. This one guard prevented it. Great job. Thank you. Tiny Palisade, Except. Yeah. Also two weeks later, the guard said he made it up. So it happened in that it was written about in newspapers, but in another sense, it didn't happen because. Because it never happened.

[Lizzie Logan]

I mean, so it's a town of liars.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Lizzie Logan]

So either they lied in that they put on shows of things that were fake, or they lied and that they lied about putting on shows.

[Dana Schwartz]

And it also. It is pretty clever.

[Lizzie Logan]

One lying journalist lied about them lying about putting on shows.

[Dana Schwartz]

To lie about putting on shows is funny. And you don't have to get then animal blood out of your clothes.

[Lizzie Logan]

Dana. This is all so funny.

[Dana Schwartz]

I know. I also have to shout. The reason I heard about this story in the first place is because we talked about it on another podcast that I occasionally host called Very Special Episodes, which you should listen to. But the second I heard about this story, I was like, I need to learn everything about it and also talk to my friend Lizzie about it.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah. This is, like, giving me so much.

[Dana Schwartz]

To think about starting a citywide improv troupe.

[Lizzie Logan]

I mean, do you remember improv everywhere?

[Dana Schwartz]

Wow. Did Palisade. Did Palisade, Nevada and. Or Mark Twain invent improv everywhere?

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah. Like, no pants, subway rides, and flash mobs.

[Dana Schwartz]

Oh, my God. That's kind of when the Internet peaked. That was when the Internet was good.

[Lizzie Logan]

Yeah, that was like when. Like, the YouTube to Ellen pipeline was.

[Dana Schwartz]

Do you remember when iPhones you could drink beer and that was the whole.

[Lizzie Logan]

Thing about all the time. Or when there was an app, first of all, that would just turn your iPhone screen white so that you could use it as a flashlight.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yes.

[Lizzie Logan]

Or it would turn it, like a color so that you could use it as a lightsaber.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yep.

[Lizzie Logan]

Those were really good apps.

[Dana Schwartz]

It was kind of when phones were good. Because we're like, I know this is powerful, but what is the point of this? And I'm like, no, no, it was worth spending all this money because I can pretend to Drink a beer.

[Lizzie Logan]

See, you said all this money. I was like, those look, 99 cents. But then I realized you meant the phone. The money that you spent on the phone.

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[Dana Schwartz]

And apps used to cost 99 cents each.

[Lizzie Logan]

Apps really did cost 99 cent. And they didn't take all your data.

[Dana Schwartz]

So the golden era of the Internet was improv everywhere, which was actually invented by Palisade, Nevada. We actually don't possibly.

[Lizzie Logan]

Mark Twain.

[Dana Schwartz]

Mark Twain wrote that article. It doesn't have a byline. He could have. He also might not have. Probably. Yeah, statistically he didn't because we know most of the articles he wrote for that newspaper.

[Lizzie Logan]

If someone else made that up, like, imagine doing a Mark Twain level satire and you just don't take credit for it in the era of Mark Twain.

[Dana Schwartz]

But also, we can pause it again. It's really possible that it is real, that it happened. This is a sleepy town where everyone is bored and all the pieces were already in place. That these city slickers looking down on the Westerners expected violence and expected these spectacles. And it's possible that people just decided, hey, let's put on a show.

[Lizzie Logan]

Oh, also, should we talk about, like, who we would cast? I mean, we have plenty of time. Should we talk about who we would cast in the movie of this.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yeah. What is the movie of this movie?

[Lizzie Logan]

Or would you have fallen for this? Who would you.

[Dana Schwartz]

I absolutely would have fallen for this.

[Lizzie Logan]

I am fallen for this.

[Dana Schwartz]

I would have been delighted.

[Lizzie Logan]

I, like, need to believe in this.

[Dana Schwartz]

I also would have done it if I was in this town. I think I would have had so much fun just joining the gang and being part of the improv team.

[Lizzie Logan]

Absolutely.

[Dana Schwartz]

Yes. I would have fallen for it. And I think the movie of this is like a broad comedy. It's like a golden era Judd Apatow comedy. It's also such a big ensemble.

[Lizzie Logan]

This is such a classic. Like, you know, on Tumblr, the like and then everyone clapped thing. You know what I mean? Like, the thing of, like, people writing little fictional stories that sort of reinforce what they think of the world and then they go viral and, like, it's obviously fake, but you just kind of want to believe it's real.

[Dana Schwartz]

I mean, this is a meta hoax, but it does get at why people do believe hoaxes when they reinforce what you already think. If you are someone from Chicago taking a train to San Francisco and you've read all these dime novels about, like, oh, people fighting Native Americans and these cowboys and shootouts, and that's what you're expecting. You want to see that. And when you see it, you'll believe it because you're like, yeah, this is what I was primed to believe. Would you want to see a movie about this? Should we make a movie about this? Sure.

[Lizzie Logan]

I mean, there's got to be like. Like, I feel like it's gotta be like the Three Amigos or something where, like, then there is an actual crime in town and they. The fake sheriff has to do a real sheriff. Or it's like a Boy who Cried Wolf situation where nobody believes that there's a real crime in town because they keep faking it.

[Dana Schwartz]

They already made this movie. Do you know what it is?

[Lizzie Logan]

Is it Galaxy Quest?

[Dana Schwartz]

It's a bug slide.

[Lizzie Logan]

It's a bug slide.

[Dana Schwartz]

We should. We should watch A Bug's Life.

[Lizzie Logan]

Okay.

[Dana Schwartz]

They should make A Bug's Life sequel set in the Wild West.

[Lizzie Logan]

Great.

[Dana Schwartz]

Dana. Where can people find you on Instagram? Anashwartz with three z's. We're on Instagram @hoaxthepodcast, so follow us. We'll be posting stuff. We'll be on TikTok. Please rate, review, subscribe. If you're liking the show, please share it with a friend. And as always, please Hoax, respect responsibly.

[Lizzie Logan]

Bye Bye. Hoax is a production of I Heart Podcasts. Our hosts are Dana Schwartz and Lizzie Logan. Our executive producers are Matt Frederick and Trevor Young, with supervising producer Rima El Kayali and producers Nomes Griffin and Jesse Bunk. Our theme music was composed by Lane Montgomery. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening.

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