02-27-25 - Gene Hackman Reactions - Remembering Jennifer Love Hewitt And Pam Anderson Seeing How They're Aging - How Often Do People Die Mid-Flight - Brady Doubles Down On His French Bakery Defamation

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona Episode Release Date: February 27, 2025
Host/Authors: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo
Broadcasted on 98 KUPD | Hubbard Radio

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1. Gene Hackman and Reflections on Aging Celebrities

Brady Bogen initiated the episode with a nostalgic dive into the careers of iconic actors such as Gene Hackman. He reminisced about Hackman's extensive filmography from the 90s, notably including "Hoosiers," and personal anecdotes about Hackman's life, including his move to Santa Fe and personal relationships.

"[Brady] ...he bought a ranch In Santa Fe, 75 miles from Santa Fe. Pretty great, man. What a story."
[02:00]

Brady expressed sympathy for Michelle Trachtenberg, reflecting on her untimely death at 39, and contrasted her legacy with that of Hackman, emphasizing the disparity in public mourning.

2. The Impact of Makeup on Celebrity Perception

A significant portion of the discussion centered around actresses Jennifer Love Hewitt and Pamela Anderson, focusing on their appearances without makeup and the public's reaction to such changes.

Brady Bogen criticized Jennifer Love Hewitt's natural look, attributing negative perceptions to her makeup-heavy appearances.

"Jennifer Love Hewitt's another one. Her face is very fable. She's got two mouths. Her face kind of wrecks the fact that her cans are so great because she's got that mouse face."
[03:50]

He further compared Pamela Anderson's ability to maintain her appeal without makeup, suggesting that those who rely heavily on cosmetics risk public disapproval when they alter their appearance.

"Pamela Anderson...she's not wearing makeup, and she looks like a woman who's aged, which is surprising because she went through so much plastic surgery early."
[07:00]

The conversation delved into the authenticity of celebrity images, highlighting how makeup acts as a "mask" that, when removed, can lead to unexpected public reactions.

3. Mid-Flight Deaths: Frequency and Airline Protocols

The hosts shifted focus to the somber topic of fatalities occurring during flights. They shared personal anecdotes and factual information about the prevalence of deaths on airplanes, discussing how airlines handle such incidents.

Brady Bogen provided statistics and insights into airline protocols when a passenger dies mid-flight, noting the minimal public disruption despite the gravity of the event.

"Dead people are fairly common on flights. It's not like all the time, but it's common enough to where they have protocol and know what to do."
[16:00]

They discussed specific cases, including a recent incident involving a flight from Melbourne to Italy, where a passenger passed away. The conversation highlighted the impersonal handling of such events by airlines, emphasizing efficiency over emotional consideration.

"When they actually die on the plane, when the plane lands, it's considered a crime scene. No one can move."
[17:00]

The dialogue touched on the emotional toll on other passengers and the logistics airlines employ to manage these unfortunate occurrences without widespread panic or delay.

4. Brady’s French Bakery Defamation Rant

A heated segment ensued as Brady Bogen launched into a tirade about rumors linking a French bakery, "French Corner," to illicit activities stemming from the infamous French Connection heroin trafficking network.

Brady speculated on the origins of the bakery's funding, suggesting it was established with "dirty heroin money" and linked to organized crime.

"Jean Laurent. He wasn't even sure a second ago if this guy owned it. Now he's saying that was purchased and run with dirty money. French Connection."
[25:00]

Bret Vesely and Dick Toledo engaged in the debate, challenging Brady's assertions and questioning the validity of his claims. The discussion escalated into a mock defamation lawsuit scenario, with the hosts exchanging witty banter.

"Kelly, you were part of a massive drug ring in the 70s and took some of the... Rumor has it started a bakery. That's dumb."
[26:00]

The segment highlighted the tension between speculative gossip and factual information, illustrating the challenges of discerning truth in casual conversations.

5. Additional Discussions and Tangents

Throughout the episode, the hosts ventured into various tangents, including:

• Brett Vesely reminiscing about the movie "Troy" and its casting choices, critiquing the portrayal of Helen and her impact on plot development.

• Dick Toledo promoting local businesses and sharing humorous takes on pop culture references.

• Conversations about the prevalence of certain types of restaurants and businesses, interwoven with fictional anecdotes about their improbably persistent operations.

• Lighthearted musings on the possibility of AI circumventing mortality and maintaining human consciousness.

"AI might change that. We might all get plugged into something and it will just be these weird shells that the computers work."
[23:50]

Conclusion

The episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness delivered a blend of humor, controversy, and candid discussions on celebrity culture, the inevitabilities of aging, and the stark realities of in-flight fatalities. Brady Bogen's fervent opinions sparked engaging debates, while the hosts' camaraderie provided an entertaining atmosphere for listeners. The conversation's oscillation between light-hearted jokes and serious topics exemplified the show's aim to "entertain, question, and disturb" its audience.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Jennifer Love Hewitt's... her face kind of wrecks the fact that her cans are so great because she's got that mouse face." — Brady Bogen [03:50]

• "Dead people are fairly common on flights. It's not like all the time, but it's common enough to where they have protocol and know what to do." — Brady Bogen [16:00]

• "Jean Laurent. He wasn't even sure a second ago if this guy owned it. Now he's saying that was purchased and run with dirty money. French Connection." — Brady Bogen [25:00]

• "AI might change that. We might all get plugged into something and it will just be these weird shells that the computers work." — Brady Bogen [23:50]

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Transcript

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[Brady]

Morning sickness. The old method of treatment for a person in this condition was to throw him in jail. Thanks, Katie. And the Hobbs that's Miles to Nowhere. It's our theme song for the year and they're doing a wonderful job. Each and every day it gets better. I'm just going on about the Hackman thing and all these emails. Forgot, totally forgot about Hoosiers. Hoosiers is, I mean, the guy's been just a epic 90s college kids DVD collection included so much Gene Hackman, it's painful. Pretty cool. And then he met us while I just reading about this. He met his wife. She was working at a gym in Hawaii, you know, the classical musician. Shortly after that, they moved in together and bought a ranch In Santa Fe, 75 miles from Santa Fe. Pretty great, man. What a story. And then, you know who I feel most sorry for in this whole deal? Because I do like my theory that the kids killed him is Michelle Trachtenberg, who dies at 39. And everybody's like, oh my gosh, I forgot, you know, she was even a thing. Saw a couple pictures of her recently. I would have to guess if I'm looking at those photos that she might have had a drug problem. But she was in Euro Trip and I just remember them trying to dress her up to be hotter than she actually was. She had a very fievel just a little bit. Oh, she had nice canes. And that was basically, they showed those off. She was, for me, she was the problem with Euro Trip because she wouldn't go, you know, doing backflips over her. She had that. She almost looked a little bit like, I don't know, I never got the face. I never understood. Like, she has two mouths.

[Brett]

She was two mouths. But the role as the sister, all of a sudden it was like, oh.

[Brady]

You find out it's the sister.

[Brett]

But it was still in the bathing Suit or whatever on the beach.

[Brady]

Right. She was okay. Everybody blew it up, sure. But it could have been better. So what I'm saying, that movie was missing the oh, my God factor to the fact that she was just kind of average pretty. She was okay, but it was mainly her face. Her body was good. It was mainly her face. And someone else reminded me and said that. The Gene Hackman celebration. Where was I? It said Brady talked to the French Connection restaurant guy next door first. And not for his Hackman question, though, to see if they still had the usual breakfast order, which was called the Heartbreaker. Ironically, another Hackman movie.

[E]

True.

[Brady]

And Heartbreakers was on my flight from Sydney to Los Angeles twice. Because they'll show five movies and they start them over. So Heartbreakers was the first one. Then they showed it again because they figured somebody would be asleep. I can't sleep on a plane. So I was like, oh, I gotta sit through another one. So it was on. And this was before they had TVs and screens in front of you, so you had to watch what they showed. I watched Heartbreakers twice. That movie's terrible. And I remember saying out loud, what the is Gene Hackman thinking doing this? He just wants to see Jennifer Love Hewitt in a bikini. But to me, Sigourney Weaver looked better in the bikini than Jennifer Love Hewitt did. And Jennifer Love Hewitt's another one. Her face is very fable. She's got two mouths. Her face is too kind of wrecks the fact that her cans are so great because she's got that mouse face. She looks a little weird. She looks like she's poorly drawn. It's too triangular. But, you know, what are you gonna do?

[Brett]

She had a good run.

[Brady]

Yeah. For a couple years. She just did a thing recently where she showed herself without makeup. She's never gonna get a job again. Nobody's gonna want to see her out in public. What are you thinking? That's for people like Pamela Anderson who can take makeup off and still be pretty. You don't need to do that. If you've been putting war paint on and that's how we know you forever. Don't act like it's our fault when it comes off. And we're like, you've been the one fooling us. When you take the mask off at the end of Scooby Doo, very rarely were they like, oh, that's nice. When you take a mask off, normally, it's a surprise.

[E]

Old man Weathers.

[Brady]

Yeah, you, old man. Jennifer Love Hewitt. She takes the makeup off and says, this has Been unfair to have to wear all this. Like, no, you did that.

[E]

Well, back in the day, it was all about her cans anyway.

[Brady]

Right? Ease us in, though. Don't. Because then you look at old pictures of her, and you realize that she was all makeup. Big old smoky eyes, and she was always in makeup. You take it all off in one thing. It's taken the mask off at the end of Scooby Doo.

[Katie]

A woman can't walk around without makeup.

[Brady]

Not when she's been wearing that mask the whole time. That's the only time I've seen her. If I've ever seen her without makeup or she's eased me in, then it's going to be easier. But if you're always in makeup and then suddenly you're not, it's going to be a shock to the system. It's like a guy shaving his head for the first time. It's, oh, my God. What have you done? Like, it's taken a mask off.

[E]

Oh, man.

[Brady]

You saw it. That's Brett's first reaction. I knew the second you looked at the picture.

[E]

Oh.

[Brady]

Then you realize how much makeup she actually wears to look okay.

[E]

I. I used to have a thing for her back in the day.

[Brady]

I never got that face.

[E]

I think it was more about the cans.

[Brady]

For me, it's always the cans. Yeah, her cans were great. The face was always troubling to me.

[E]

This is what we're talking about.

[Brady]

Yeah, there it is. That's. That's her without makeup. And then you realize, oh, you draw your eyes on. You make your face different with contouring and stuff. And then you blame us for not liking the one that. Like the way you wake up with. But that' your fault. You've been presenting yourself this way the whole time. If I drew abs on my stomach every day and walked in here, and you guys were like, man, that guy's ripped. And then I washed him off, and you're like, holy cow, he's let himself go. It would look like I've let myself go in a minute. Same thing with makeup. Ease it off. You know, show up in a few places with just some foundation and maybe a little eyeshadow. And then the next time, without the eyeshadow. And then the next time, I was like, wow, Jennifer Love Hewitt is aging beautifully. We won't be so surprised if you take layers off. You wash it all off at once. We're gonna have the reaction.

[E]

Man, Jay Moore bailed on that. I was like, what's wrong, bro? Now I'm like, whoa, okay.

[Brady]

He woke up to it.

[E]

That's what he woke up to.

[Brady]

Yeah. What happened to you?

[Katie]

I'm not wearing makeup. It's not fair.

[Brady]

No, for me, it's not fair. You fooled me.

[Brett]

Was it Jamie Kennedy?

[Brady]

Who? Oh, Jamie Kennedy cried when he was in here with us. Yeah, because we were talking to you. They asked us not to talk about Jennifer Love Hewitt, and I kind of casually slid it in there, and then he started to talk. So I started. I said, okay, if you want to talk about it. We started talking. Next thing you know, Jamie Kennedy's crying. And then he came back a few more times like we had bonded, and he's been great ever since, but. And he just called her love.

[E]

It'd be like that scene at the end of Mad Max where they give him the hacksaw, or he's give him the hacksaw.

[Brady]

Take it in. Our choice. Yep, exactly. You can't do that stuff. You cannot. It's like if you got a car at the. At the dealership, and it's got this amazing paint job, and then somebody sanded it down to primer, and you went out to your. Like, what the hell just happened to my house? Oh, no, that paint isn't permanent. What? You can't do that, Jeff.

[E]

I didn't see that.

[Brady]

Yeah, I told you. That's why Pam Anderson was smart. She laid low. She took some makeup off. She was stripping it down a little bit. Now she doesn't wear any. In fact, she was at the SAG Awards the other night, and she's not wearing makeup, and she looks like a woman who's aged, which is surprising because she went through so much plastic surgery early. I thought she'd be one of those cat people, but she. At the sag, I'm like, you know what? That's. Actually. It's pleasant. Now, the movie is about a woman who's aging. You don't want to watch some lady complaining about it. But she's not wearing it. She's like, I've done enough of that. I'm gonna. I'm just resting on what I am. I'm like, good for you. And she looks pretty good. She eased us in. If she'd have just shown up at the saga boards yesterday, that's the first time we'd seen her in a while, and she's not wearing makeup. But we all remember when she wasn't wearing makeup in that one video she did on that boat with that fella from Motley Crue, she didn't have any makeup on that Day. We liked her.

[E]

We were not looking at the makeup.

[Brady]

Yeah. I'm not so sure Jennifer Love Hewitt ever did real well without makeup. Because when I looked at that p, she had it all off. I meant, was she always this? And then I'm like, she's always got a crazy amount of eye makeup on. It makes her interface is different. That's your fault. Ladies, don't get mad at us when you strip the makeup down and then act like it's something we shouldn't be surprised by. You've been wearing a mask. You took the mask off. We saw the true reveal, remember, in the original.

[Brett]

20 years later.

[Brady]

Yeah. The Michael. Yeah. Don't. Don't. One of your gangs.

[Brett]

Last time you saw.

[Brady]

Right? Every time I have seen her, she's tried to look like she used to. Remember? In. In the original, Michael Keaton, Batman, Joker did all this stuff, and they put the mask and they take the mask off and it was shocking. It was horrifying because the makeup had damaged them so badly. It's what that substance movie's all about, presenting a false image of yourself trying to recapture your youth until eventually you just become a monster. At least visually more to yourself than anyone else. Yeah. I felt bad for Trachtenberg, even though her career is not even, like, remotely on par with anyone like Gene Hackman.

[Brett]

She also. I saw she had. Had to get a liver transplant.

[Brady]

Was she drinking herself into a. I don't know.

[Brett]

I.

[Brady]

39. That's hard to do.

[Brett]

There might have been some complications with that.

[Brady]

Well, liver transplant. Yeah. If she's not, there's something going on. The last picture I saw of her, she looked pretty beat up, but she hasn't done anything for eight. She was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Eurotrip and then nothing. I never got her. She was. But you die at 39 and you had a name in the. In the world. And people were like, oh, yeah, she was that girl from blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, a few hours later, they find Gene Hackman with his wife and dog. You're not getting any headlines. Remember, Michael Jackson died. The saddest part of that death was that Farrah Fawcett died earlier that day. No one remembers that. That's Fred Fawcett had an actual career and did some stuff. And Michael Jackson. Yeah.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[Brady]

Completely like the poster. And then to move on and do again, took all the makeup off and did the burning bed and won awards for it. Proved that she could actually act and she wasn't so bad. And then she went through Years and years of horrible disease and then a pedophile dies on the same day as her. And she. Oh yeah, Fairfax. Oh, yeah. Michael Jackson too. Always associated with that idio. Weird. Dying is not easy when you're famous because you gotta pick and choose your days to make sure that nobody dies around you. But it's Trachtenberg, Hackman, and who. Who will be the third Trackenberg, even. Who.

[E]

Does that count?

[Brady]

Yeah, it counts. It counts. It counts. We all saw Euro Trip. It was okay. I still wish they had cast a better girl. The dudes, you know, flipping out over her. It's. It's hard for me to believe. Remember they did that movie, Troy? Yeah. And the girl that played the one that started. That launched a thousand wars. The Helen.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Brady]

And you're like, brad Pitt was hotter than Helen. And you're like, I don't think she'd have caused a lot of wars. Like she was okay. But I don't think this woman's gonna cause a ton of wars. I don't remember who was. And there's right there. I don't think it was Robin Wright Penn. It may have been. I don't know. But the fact that we don't know and we don't remember is proof it was bad casting. Because the person that. Whose face launched a thousand wars means that men were fighting countries battled for her attention.

[Brett]

Yep.

[Brady]

It has to be the hottest girl in Hollywood. It can't just be a pretty good looking girl. It has to be.

[Brett]

Yeah, they overcooked Achilles.

[Brady]

Yeah, you can't. Yeah, I can't. Can't sit there and think that Brad Pitt was unable to get a girl equal to that or better, that he had to actually risk his life. That seemed unreasonable. Like, that's Brad Pitt, for crying out loud.

[E]

What's he do Better?

[Brady]

Yeah, you could do better than that. Or equal. You can nail her and leave. She should be so lucky. If anything, she should be starting a war for your attention.

[Brett]

And it was. Was it Angelina Jolie? No, that was the other one.

[Brady]

Yeah, they did a couple of them.

[Brett]

She was the mom of Orlando Bloom. And that was a total different.

[Brady]

I don't remember that at all. But again, you can't do a movie about a woman who's so incredibly hot. Men fight because men in the theater will be like, I wouldn't fight for her. She has to be the same as like Euro Trip with Michelle Trachtenberg. It's like, what are they flipping out over her for? They're in Europe. She's a seven. Maybe Tops. Because of proximity.

[E]

That's. That's even shooting.

[Brady]

Yeah, but if you're in the bar and you don't know her, she's a five. You can do better than her.

[Brett]

Yeah, but they're focusing on the love that he's going over there.

[Brady]

They were setting it all up.

[Brett]

You don't want to outdo her.

[Brady]

Right.

[Brett]

See, he again made her shine even more.

[Brady]

But then people are boning that. Yeah, because she was nice. Yeah, I don't need that. I don't need a teen sex romp where the girl's nice. I need her to be a hot. It's the whole point of the movie. There's something, something. Check out homework's morning sickness podcast at 98K up. Holmberg's Morning Sickness. The whole point of the movie was going over there for love. And the other guys can bone and get high in Amsterdam. That was it. So you brought an average girl to the party. That's dumb. And you brought a girl with you in the first place if you're not boning her sister. Look. Yeah. You didn't even know if you're not. Oh, that's true. If you're not. Yeah, that was dumb.

[Brett]

Well, that make out scene, that plot is dumb. Hilarious.

[Brady]

You don't bring a girl to Europe unless all of you are boning her anyway because at least you're gonna, you know, she serves a purpose. Otherwise she's gonna complain and make you late for everything. Probably end up on her period. Wreck it for everyone.

[E]

Well, this guy says kind of the same thing, goes Gene Hackman and the broad from Euro True. I mean, without that nobody'd know her.

[Brady]

It's true. There are a lot of girls who are probably in their 30s who know her. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They'd remember from that. But it is weird when somebody 39 dies because it like breaking news on CNN and Fox. It's because of her age. Michelle Trachtenberg died 20 years from now. People probably wouldn't even mention it. Remember Eurotra? No. That girl was in that middling career, but because she's young. It wasn't that. That was the movie with Matt Damon singing about. Was that the mom? The Scotty doesn't know. That was from Euro Trip, right? Yeah, yeah, that was at the end.

[E]

I. I seen it so many years ago and I never went back again.

[Brady]

It's okay. Yeah, it wasn't that good. They tried to act so shocking with it and it was like, this is not that.

[Brett]

And that was, I mean, when it came out and that Song was hilarious.

[Brady]

It's fun. It's okay. There's some funny scenes, but again, hotter girl. And that movie would have been a lot more memorable. You put Alicia Cuspert in that role.

[E]

Oh, man.

[Brady]

Thank you.

[Brett]

I could catch a good one to go back.

[Brady]

The girl next door Next door is not bad. That's actually a pretty funny movie. And because she's hot enough and all the other porn girls that are in there are hot enough, it's tough being a celebrity and dying. Whatever happened to her, she ended up not looking so great. Really? Yeah.

[E]

Oh, what a crime.

[Brady]

But man, oh, man, from 2000 to 2008 or so, 24, Alicia Cuthbert was crushing it. Maybe I undershot the age a little bit on 2002. Whenever she started to show up in 24, I guess that was 2003 and 4 or 5. And then that movie with the girl next door, Outrageously good. Then she's disappeared because she was an old school. But if she was in Euro Trip, you'd have been like, okay, I can see why that guy's making out with his sister. It's okay. It sort of makes sense that you could get fooled into that. But there's wins. Yeah. Anyway, and also, remember we talked about. Speaking of dead, we talked about the. The people that flew from Melbourne to, like, Italy, but they had to stop in Qatar, and some lady died on the plane, and they propped her up next to him. There was a thing yesterday that they were. They. They said dead people are. I've had that experience, and I learned something about this. Dead people are fairly common on. On flights. It's not like all the time, but it's common enough to where they're like, they have protocol and they know what to do. I didn't know this. If they actually die on the plane, when the plane lands, it's considered a crime scene. No one can move. So. Yeah. So, yeah, you better. So my lady must have been just breathing or showing idols. I remember they hauled her out first when the lady. And then I found out later she died. The one that died on me. So that we all got to leave. We all got to. We had to wait for them to gurney her out, but it didn't. Nobody investigated anything. Everybody just got off the plane.

[Brett]

Maybe that's how they get around it that they don't shut it down. Crime scene. I think she's still alive.

[Brady]

Showing signs of life.

[E]

Moved.

[Brett]

Let's get her off.

[Brady]

She needs immediate attention. Yeah. Some dudes ran on and they got her off, but they said that the the constant on this, and especially international flights to Rome is a big one. There's a lot of places where people want to go home to their ancestry, but Rome is a big one, probably because of the Vatican, where old people's last wishes. Terminally ill patients talk to the airline and say that the family has to do it. And the airline gives them a special. I didn't know this. Gives them a special agreement that says, look, if complications arise with their health. We are not diverting this flight. Everyone's aware of what's happening here. You're terminally ill. You probably shouldn't be flying. We're gonna put you on this plane because it's your dying wish. And almost all the airlines agree that dying wish flights are okay. But if the dying wish guy dies, they're not reviving him. They're not doing anything special, and they're not turning the plane around. They're just gonna bag him up and put him in a seat. How about that?

[Brett]

My mom's gonna have to sign.

[Brady]

Where's she going? Europe. Right. Well, she's healthy, though. She's not terminally ill. She's not terminally ill? No, she's not terminally ill. Yeah, she's.

[Brett]

She just went into the ER the other night.

[Brady]

Oh, well, maybe she will be by. By tomorrow. What'd she go into ER for? Heart, for crying out loud. That's twice in the last month she's been going in her hip. She's supposed to get. I thought she had a heart thing. About a month ago, it started pumping pretty hard and thought it was a heart attack, but it wasn't.

[Brett]

No, but the same. The symptoms. You know, I thought she already. Anyway, she's supposed to get a little. Another stint in there.

[Brady]

I think they're shoving something in her heart again.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Oh, geez. All right. And she's going to Europe in a couple of weeks.

[Brett]

Yep.

[Brady]

Nah, that's just old lady Hart, though.

[Brett]

That's what I got me thinking, like, because she is hell, you know, hell bent on going, I want to make this trip.

[Brady]

Are doctors telling her not to go? Is it Euro trip? Is she going with a brother? Is this all happening again?

[Brett]

Going with her twin brother.

[Brady]

Elderly. Euro trip. Is she going over there for one last run at D? What's she going to Europe for? Who's she going?

[Brett]

My sister.

[Brady]

Oh, okay. And she's not dragging.

[Brett]

Grandson is over there.

[Brady]

She isn't hanging out with some guy that's been at the country club for years who recently lost his wife.

[E]

How you doing?

[Brett]

No, I'd rather have that happen.

[Brady]

Would she tell you? I don't think she would tell you.

[Brett]

Yes, she would.

[Brady]

I don't think she would tell you. Maybe your brother and sister. I don't think she would tell you.

[Brett]

She wouldn't tell me if it was a bum, especially.

[Brady]

It was like that Bob Ray that used to get naked in the window next door. She's like, falling for him. I know he's probably dead, but that.

[Brett]

Would be weird because there's, you know, a chance that all of a sudden, if she did meet somebody, it's like, oh, my gosh, this guy was friends with forever for years.

[Brady]

Right. That was why. I don't think she's going to tell you all that. D. She's gargling. Just don't tell Brady. Yeah, you don't need that. You don't need that. Yeah. If she flies to Europe, I don't know if she has to sit down, but she probably. I think they have those things where it's a terminally ill person. They have to tell the people they need some special attention here. Getting on this plane also pre boarding, and your mom will have that. But it's like the pre boarding. There's health issues you have to have. You know, they'll tell him it's a. It's a dying man's last wish flight. They'll stuff them on a plane. But if they die, it's like it didn't happen. And they say that that happens a lot. And Rome was the big one. So it's probably people rolling over there.

[Brett]

About how many flights there are 48,000 a day. Did you have the number one time?

[Brady]

It's 40, 44,000 flights a day. I think 4400 domestic flights are in the air at once.

[Brett]

I'm talking about the amount of people that die on flights.

[Brady]

Oh, I don't know that. Yeah. It's not a ton by number because there's so many people in the air, but it isn't uncommon enough to where it shocks anybody on the plane. They actually train for it. And they have a protocol to say this will happen every once in a while. You're going to see this, you know, when you stuff 200 people in a tube, you know, 66 times a day, you know, per airline. You're from one airport and you're like, good chance somebody's going to just drop out. Heart attack. You've seen some of these pigs, for God's sakes. They make some people, instead of just saying, you're too fat, they Give them extra seat belt. Now that dude's on his last legs to begin with. If you've got extra seatbelt, you're not going to make it much further. They have to worry about you.

[E]

So it says 244 onboard fatalities in.

[Brady]

2024 here in states or just general?

[E]

General, yeah. Compared to 72 in 2023.

[Brady]

It's not a ton when you look at it like how many people fly, but it's enough.

[Brett]

Wow, that went up.

[Brady]

Yeah, it's enough. Yeah, you're gonna have good years back. Yes.

[E]

The five year average is 144.

[Brady]

So give or take decent amount of people dying to where the airlines are.

[Brett]

Said not too often based upon the number of flights, tons.

[Brady]

It's the same as plane crashes. I mean, it's more than plane crashes, it's 144. I mean, maybe this year we'll pass that. But you know, for the most part it's, you know, you get seven, eight plane crashes a year that are of some sort of. Lately we've had no big ones till this year, so it's been pretty good. So people dying, they've got, they've got a plan for it. And they did it to that lady who was flying from Australia to Italy. Just bagged her up, put her in the seat next to that guy and he had to fly with her for about eight hours. So, yeah, I was looking at that. And they're basically airlines across the board have the same rule that they tell the family, okay, we'll do this, but we're not turning around if it happens. This guy says, john, deep down, aren't we all terminally ill? They haven't cured aging. The only thing different is older sick people should just be called short timers. It's true. We're all terminally ill. Nobody's getting out alive. AI might change that. We might all get plugged into something and it will just be these weird shells that the computers work. That I think would be really cool. That's a great idea for when AIs like we need mortal coils and they just plug into our bodies and work us. And they didn't. They have that already with that thing that was working, that animal that was dead?

[Brett]

Well, they have the. Yeah, the one. It's an insect that lives.

[Brady]

Oh yeah.

[Brett]

And it takes over.

[Brady]

The spider. Wasn't that a virus though? That wasn't a computer. The virus takes over. It's not computers.

[Brett]

Well, there's. Sometimes they'll lay there.

[Brady]

That's what I'm saying. It's not a computer, though.

[Brett]

No, it's.

[Brady]

No. Yeah, it's like some sort of a thing that attacks them and then they die. And the stuff inside takes zombies. They zombify the. That's what they'll do. AI might. Zombies to where we're alive forever. I'd be cool with that as long as everybody's dealing with it either way. Interesting all the way around. Brady. Just found out, however, though, that the. We still have no information on the French Connection.

[Brett]

The bakery was called the French Corner.

[Brady]

That's right.

[Brett]

It was a bakery, restaurant corner. It was owned by a guy named Jean Laurent.

[Brady]

Very French.

[Brett]

And the rumor has it he is connected because the French Connection was about trafficking heroin.

[Brady]

It's a heist, Right. Huge.

[Brett]

You know, going from Europe to United States.

[Brady]

That's right.

[Brett]

Well, he came from the family that they. I mean, the. The people involved went to jail, but that doesn't mean they had all their money. So there's drug money still.

[Brady]

So you're saying that now you're saying that the bakery was started on drug money?

[Brett]

Yes.

[Brady]

You're making that up again. He's added to it, Fred. He wasn't even sure a second ago if this guy owned it. Now he's saying that was purchased and run with dirty money. French Connection.

[Brett]

That's what they're saying. They're figuring. Well, he's related to that. How does this guy start.

[E]

This restaurant was still around.

[Brady]

You got that off the tax that you got from the owner of the place.

[Brett]

I remember. No, I remember the background story of how the. How he was connected to the family.

[Brady]

Okay.

[Brett]

And that. That if that relative went over. Who went to jail.

[Brady]

Yeah. But they didn't get all the money. And then the one. This dude that you're talking about, East St. Laurent.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Moved to Phoenix and started the French Bakery.

[Brett]

French Corner.

[Brady]

The French Corner. With heroin money obtained from the French Connection. Brady, you are a magical. You weave the worst stories ever. But when you break them down.

[E]

Why are you not in Hollywood writing instead of sitting here with us?

[Brady]

Because the guy across the table.

[Brett]

Go take a while.

[Brady]

That's. That's the most nonsense I've ever heard in my life. Get out of my office.

[Katie]

No, it's real.

[Brady]

What are we gonna do with this?

[Brett]

It'd be Chinese democracy.

[Brady]

Yeah. It would take a long time to break out. All the notes would be like, none of this makes any sense. Sense. Are we really making a movie about a bakery? Yeah.

[Katie]

With dirty money.

[Brett]

Why?

[Brady]

So he started and it failed.

[Brett]

Well, it's gone Closed. Yeah.

[Brady]

So it's not.

[Brett]

It's had a good run.

[Brady]

It doesn't mean it's succeeded. It failed. Get something, something. Check out homework's morning sickness [e-mail] Homeburg's Morning Morning Sickness. Larry Bitner had a good run. He was in professional baseball for 12 years. But essentially, Durant's had a good run. Durant's had a good run. 75.

[E]

It was running.

[Brady]

That's a hell of a run.

[E]

Yeah.

[Brady]

And then sold for a good portion. That's a good run. French Connection Bakery closed. Nobody was going. So the dirty money laundered through the French. They didn't do a very good job laundering their money because those places stay open forever. Much like the place on 16th street in Bethany called Tapes to DVDs. Now, that I would believe in a heartbeat is French Connection dirty heroin money. How in the world is a store called Wilt and it's called that will turn your tapes into DVDs? Two things I don't need. And it's right next to the Swizzle Inn and the barber shop, and it's thriving. And I'm like, this is so clearly a front.

[E]

It was like that restaurant that was over there on Elma School and Baseline for about a million years, and you'd never see a single car in the parking lot.

[Brady]

Which one was it?

[E]

It was. I think it was a sushi joint at the end or something. It was the original Bill Austin's Barbecue.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

And then it turned into something else. And you never saw a car there, but it was always open. Yeah.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[E]

For like, 20 years.

[Brett]

Bill Austin's Big Apple turned into something.

[Brady]

No, no. That's Bill Johnson. I'm surprised you messed that up. Bill Austin's was a barbecue place that was the ultimate dagger to us Tony Roma's employees. Hey, party of four. It's gonna be about an hour and a half. Hour and a half. We'll just go to Bill Austin's then. Fine. And without saying it, I just looked at them with my eyes that said, fine, then off. Go ahead. Go to Bill Austin's. I don't own this place. What do I care? We'll be at Bill Austin's. Right. Because there's no weight there. Their food's not as good. You idiot. Get out. But then it turned into that sushi Korean barbecue place.

[E]

Yeah. And nary a soul, never, never a car in the parking lot.

[Brady]

Nobody went to Alma School and Baseline for sushi ever. And that place was open for 10 years. And at Least. Oh, I make a ton of money. A lot of money. Used to be beer. Austin's. They still probably serve barbecue. And nobody ever went in.

[E]

Yeah, whatever was left in the freezer.

[Brady]

From when they bought the place, says Brady. I'm a lawyer. Enjoy both your defamation lawsuits about the bakery. First you accused him of being part of a criminal syndicate and then starting a French bakery with the money. And now heroin's involved. Yeah. You're getting sued for defamation. And you mentioned the guy's name. You mentioned the guy' why is he not a good lawyer? I'd sue you for defamation if that was me.

[Brett]

It's like, you're not guilty, huh? Because, like I'm saying, the Gotti. The Gotti families had a. So even though their dad did the crime.

[Brady]

Right. If they used his dirty money.

[Brett]

Well, that's the thing that. How can you prove that?

[Brady]

RICO cases. That's how you prove that. If he got all the heroin money and he started a thing with it, like. You see, that's my point, though, of your crazy story. Why would you know that and the feds don't? If you think it's from dirty heroin money and are willing to say so. You think that the feds would be following the French Connection gang around going, where's that money?

[Brett]

They closed that case years ago.

[Brady]

Evidently not. Because you think that they had some left over to start a bakery. That's the rumor started with that dirty heroin money. You'd think that maybe if you knew the feds knew something.

[Brett]

Yeah, but I never really. I mean, I was told that story.

[Brady]

Right, and then you're telling it now. So if you're telling it now and it makes it sense to you that heroin money is what started the French Laundry or whatever you're going at, the feds were like, no, we pretty much cleaned that up. He was clean. He's a clean member of the family. But if the heroin money's still getting tossed around and this kid's like, I'm gonna start myself with bakery in Phoenix, like, keep an eye on him. Something going on there. So you might get sued. What was his name again? Jacques Laurent. Jean Laurent. Sorry. Jean Laurent. I am. The opinions of Brady are not even opinions. They're just fever dreams that he spews out of his face and then uses names. Jean Laurent, you heroin junkie, bakery owner. We have nothing to do with this.

[E]

That's all Brady.

[Brady]

Yeah, your French Connection. Somehow or another Gene Hackman dying made Brady think of that. Oh, it's insane. You try to follow what's going on in here when we're off the air, for crying out loud. It's a rickety staircase to the top, and we have to help sometimes.

[E]

It's still the same. I bought new headphones the other day because they were cutting in and out. I'm like, well, no, it's still the same.

[Brady]

Somehow or another, the death of Gene Hackman brought us Jean Laurent, a crippled, crooked heroin junkie who started a bakery with French Connection money.

[Katie]

I'm gonna miss you, Hackman.

[Brady]

Meanwhile, tell me about Greasy Tony's Brady, what do you know about that place? Anything?

[E]

He'll text.

[Brady]

Yeah, yeah, Brett can probably tell us more. And also pretty much confirmed that Popeye's was not named after Popeye Doyle. Yeah, that was another fever dream thing. Just doing a little housekeeping here, cleaning up some of the things. Facts and figures, errors and omissions. But I do like it. It makes it more fun because you're the only one that remembers the French Connection bakery. You and John Laurent. He's probably in a jail cell right now going, stupid Becket ruined my life. I should have stuck with heroin. Got a little bit of that heroin money there, Brett. No kidding. The feds didn't get that. They don't know a thing about it. Just me, my wife, and a little guy out in.

[Brett]

Everyone in Phoenix.

[Brady]

He'll know about it. I'm gonna not keep it that quiet. Then I'm gonna start making croissants for folks. And was the French Connection that French to where guys named Jacques Laurent in Phoenix knew how to make croissants? Rule. That seems stereotypically the French corner. Yeah, no, I'm talking about the movie so tied to France that the people that you're accusing of being part of it.

[Brett]

But there's five, I think at least five people that were part of the right trafficking system.

[Brady]

But they were super French.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Yeah. That's what you're saying.

[Brett]

Yeah. And then one. I think there's.

[Brady]

He sounds French.

[Brett]

I. Again, I. I couldn't recall the movie, what that was.

[Brady]

Right. This is what money heist. This is fun because it's trafficking. You build it. And that's what. That's why I asked so many questions, because it makes more sense to say that. But that's what I'm saying.

[Brett]

He was so frank that that story is out there. It's just wild that it falls back to that movie. That's all I was.

[Brady]

Well, that story's only out there in a one community of restaurant people.

[Brett]

No, I heard way before me When.

[Brady]

I was out here, you would only hear that you're part of that. That's what I'm saying. You. You.

[Brett]

I was part of the.

[Brady]

The people who talk about restaurant stuff. That stuff. It's not a story that permeated the regular society. It's you. The same reason you used to get faxes from Texas Grill when they had specials. You're in that community. None of us are. We're not. We're not privy to those things that's on your feed only. And that's why it's fascinating, because it's somewhat incomplete and quite interesting. I'm just asking the questions. He was so French that he was part of the French Connection heroin sting. But he got some of that money, and then he came out here and got super French and probably wore the black and white shirt and the beret and had a baguette in his hand at all times. I was like, you're a dirty heroin addict, aren't you? Jean Laurent. But he still wanted to make us croissants.

[E]

His cousin Pierre was in the family business with him.

[Brady]

Yeah, this gunk in the back that loved cats, you got. Real stereotypical.

[Brett]

He wasn't the baker, either. He just started the bakery.

[Brady]

Could be. I like this. I like all these scenarios. They're all crazy, and they're all built off the fact that Gene Hackman's dead. Which is the fascinating thing to me is the way you build blocks back to a restaurant. I am amazed by it. I salute it. We don't have much time left on him. Let's get him a flight to Rome real quick. They have a. They have a plan. Brett, what do you got on the big board of Musical treats?

[E]

Wake Up Song brought to you by, of course, our friends at Action Ride Shop. And we keep telling you, but you got to check out store number two, the brand new one over there. Power Road in McDowell. If you're into bikes, this is heaven for you. It doesn't matter if you're into road bikes, mountain bikes, whatever. It's right there by the Hawes Trail, Action Ride Shop. And, you know, if you're into the snow stuff, well, then you got to hit the OG store right there on Gilbert Road. And Southern still got the bikes, but all your SN gear is over there. ActionRideshop.com is where you can get all of your details. And on the list, Hate Breed, Metallica, that new one from Disturbed, Foo Fighters, Creeds with Arms Wide Open for Gene Hackman.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[E]

Sinatra My Way for Hackman. Dead. Kill All Beautiful things. Iron Maiden. Wasted years for Michelle. Because nobody's gonna remember.

[Brady]

Isn't Creed's arms wide open about the birth of a child?

[E]

I don't know. So that's when we requested. I didn't. Puddle of Mudstone. Because he's gonna probably be the next one on the death pool.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[E]

We'll Scanlan.

[Brady]

He's been on there for a long time.

[E]

Yeah. Soundgarden. Pumpkins Ministry.

[Brady]

Slayer. All right. Wow. Geez, this is tough. Wasted years. As tell you you kind of want to give Michelle Trachtenberg her do.

[E]

Christ.

[Brady]

Gene Hackman's gonna get all the attention.

[E]

Wasted years.

[Brady]

But I don't want to hear wasted years. I love birth ritual so much. It's painful, but it doesn't make sense. Why has Jesus built my hot rod on there for Hackman?

[E]

Just because he's going to meet Jesus.

[Brady]

Oh, he's going to meet the Lord Jesus. All right. Well, odds are one of the two of them is going to hell, so we could do a little south of Heaven or Jesus built my hot rod. And we'll keep it positive. Jesus built my hot rod.

[E]

Oh, okay.

[Brady]

One of the two will meet the Lord Jesus. I don't know which one. Michelle or Gene. I'll say it's Gene just because I liked him more. And by the way, Brady, the French connection is Rudy Gobert, Tony Parker and Boris Diao. That's the NBA French Connection. Boy, is that true. Started to ruin basketball a few years ago with all those Frenchmen. Turns out that they. They all had heroin money. They're all heroin addicts. All of them. Every single time. That's how they do it. I hope to God you get a cease and desist from Jean Laurent. That would be the best.

[Katie]

I didn't say anything other than you were part of a massive drug ring in the 70s and took some of the.

[Brett]

Rumor has it started a bakery.

[Brady]

Rumor has it with you and a couple other guys, you're the only one who remembers the bakery. Who told you this rumor? Do you remember?

[Brett]

Years ago. I do not.

[Brady]

You don't.

[Brett]

This is. No.

[Brady]

Too full of early promise.

[Dick Toledo]

Oh, also throwing out rumor has it as your disclaimer is not legal.

[Brady]

That makes it work. That doesn't. That's just.

[Katie]

But John Laurent is a drug addict who started a heroin based French bakery. That's all I'm saying.

[Brady]

Based on rumors you're gonna sit on the stand while you're trying to avoid getting all your money taken by this Frenchman?

[Katie]

Look, somebody else told me that story. I don't Remember who? I won't reveal my source.

[E]

Sources tell me.

[Brady]

Yeah, you're Gambadoro.

[Katie]

My little tiny notebook.

[Brady]

My sources tell me it's Jesus.

[Brett]

I'll just say I don't think the story is true.

[Brady]

Oh, there's a nice source. Oh, well, that fixed it.

[Katie]

John Laurent is not, according to me, a heroin junkie.

[Brett]

But I never bought into who started.

[Katie]

A bakery on dirty heroin money that the movie the French Connection was based on. John Laurent did not do that. I don't think it happened, but there is a rumor out there. Just let me be clear. That everything I've spewed out today is against my will.

[Brady]

Wow. Another guy said, hey, give him a break. Sad Pop Pop wants to believe that the only way a restaurant can actually survive is on dirty heroin money. He didn't. He didn't go that route. And that's why his collapsed. That's right. But it didn't survive either. You needed some dirty heroin. The French Connection is gone. Or whatever it was called. French Lawn. What was it? French Corner.

[Brett]

French Corner.

[Brady]

Fromage. It's ministry. We'll miss you, Gene. At least I will. Brady won't. He's gonna be thinking about food. It's 98 KUPD. Hey, it's not weird.

[Brett]

It's pretty cool, actually. No membership fee.

[Brady]

I have heard enough of this.