03-04-25 - Kato Kaelin - In Studio - Part Three

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona Episode: 03-04-25 - Kato Kaelin - In Studio - Part Three
Release Date: March 4, 2025
Host: John Holmberg with Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo
Guest: Kato Kaelin (appears to be portrayed by O.J. Simpson)

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Episode Overview

In this riveting episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness on Arizona's #1 Morning Radio Show, host John Holmberg delves into an intense and personal conversation with guest Kato Kaelin. The episode, titled "Kato Kaelin - In Studio - Part Three," offers listeners an unfiltered glimpse into Kato's tumultuous past, his experiences surrounding the infamous O.J. Simpson trial, and his ongoing journey of resilience and self-discovery. Assisted by co-hosts Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo, the discussion is both engaging and deeply emotional, resonating with fans who followed Kato's story over the years.

Unexpected Appearance: O.J. Simpson Joins the Conversation

One of the most surprising and electrifying moments of the episode is the unexpected presence of O.J. Simpson, who appears to engage in a candid and somewhat theatrical interaction with Kato Kaelin.

• 00:35 - 01:04: The episode kicks off with Dick Toledo promoting an advertisement, swiftly moving into Kato's introduction. Suddenly, O.J. Simpson makes a brief appearance, setting the stage for a memorable exchange.

• 02:10 - 05:54: O.J. Simpson engages directly with Brady Bogen, reminiscing about past events and expressing lingering feelings about the trial and their strained relationship. Notably, Simpson states, "Ever since you ratted my ass out Tom Lane and Fran Adder and everybody else you decided to mouth off to" (01:27), highlighting unresolved tensions.

Shared History and Personal Reflections

The conversation delves deep into the shared history between Kato Kaelin, O.J. Simpson, and Brady Bogen, uncovering layers of personal experiences and emotions.

• 03:00 - 04:20: Brady confronts O.J. about past actions, asserting, "I think you're a guilty man" (04:02), to which Simpson retorts with a mix of humor and defiance, saying, "Of course I'm guilty. I mean, I'm a murderer" (04:20).

• 05:01 - 07:16: Discussions about life after the trial reveal O.J.'s perspective on his time in "Hell," metaphorically speaking, and his interactions with other notable figures like JFK and Mother Teresa. Brady shares his ambitions to move to heaven, adding a philosophical layer to the conversation.

Reflections on Trials and Media Portrayal

Kato Kaelin opens up about the impact of media scrutiny and public perception during and after the O.J. Simpson trial, shedding light on the challenges faced by those involved.

• 17:32 - 19:02: Kato discusses the false narratives perpetuated by tabloids, stating, "There was a story that I was supposedly selling drugs. I'm so against. I never did drugs" (19:09). He expresses frustration over being wrongfully accused, emphasizing his commitment to a clean lifestyle despite public misconceptions.

• 19:36 - 20:05: The duo reflects on legal battles against defamatory media portrayals, with Kato mentioning efforts to sue tabloids that falsely linked him to criminal activities. This segment underscores the personal toll of fame and the fight for one's true identity.

Cato Kalin's In-Depth Interview

Host Cato Kalin takes center stage, posing thoughtful and probing questions that encourage Kato to share his life stories, challenges, and triumphs.

• 10:31 - 12:56: Kalin inquires about Kato's experiences at high-profile events, including encounters with celebrities at the Playboy Mansion and interactions with stars like John Lovitz and Bill Maher. Kato recounts his first-hand experiences, revealing his ability to connect with influential figures while maintaining authenticity.

• 15:01 - 16:45: The conversation shifts to Kato's upbringing, highlighting the strong support system provided by his family. Kato shares, "They were great. My parents were great" (16:25), illustrating how his family played a pivotal role in grounding him during turbulent times.

Closing Segments: Entertainment Drill and Personal Insights

As the episode nears its conclusion, the hosts introduce the "Entertainment Drill," a segment designed to wrap up the discussion with light-hearted and personal insights.

• 20:06 - 21:27: Kalin invites Kato to share one thing he'd love everyone to know about him, to which Kato responds, "To know me is to love me" (20:36). This heartfelt statement encapsulates the essence of Kato's message: overcoming public judgment and embracing personal truth.

• 21:14 - 21:27: The episode concludes with final remarks and a playful nod to maintaining the show's energetic atmosphere, leaving listeners reflecting on the profound and candid conversations they've just witnessed.

Notable Quotes

• Brady Bogen (04:02): "Regardless of anything, I think you're a guilty man."

• O.J. Simpson (04:20): "Does it feel good to say that to me? Do you feel good?"

• Kato Kaelin (19:09): "There was a story that I was supposedly selling drugs. I'm so against. I never did drugs."

• Cato Kalin (20:36): "To know me is to love me."

Key Takeaways

• Healing Through Conversation: The episode highlights the power of open dialogue in addressing past grievances and misunderstandings, offering a pathway to healing and mutual respect.

• Impact of Media: Kato's experiences underscore the detrimental effects of media misrepresentation, emphasizing the importance of personal integrity and resilience in the face of public scrutiny.

• Personal Growth: Both Kato and Brady share personal growth stories, illustrating how overcoming adversity and maintaining strong support systems can lead to personal empowerment and success.

Conclusion

This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness serves as a poignant exploration of fame, misjudgment, and the quest for personal redemption. Through candid conversations and unexpected guest appearances, listeners are treated to a narrative that is as entertaining as it is introspective. Whether you’re a long-time follower of Kato Kaelin’s journey or new to his story, this episode offers valuable insights into the complexities of public life and the enduring human spirit.

Transcript

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[O.J. Simpson]

Still streaming Homberg's morning sickness online at.

[Cato Kalin]

98Kupd.Com Are you ready, Cato? Cato Kin in the room. Are you ready to confront your former housemate?

[Brady]

I'm looking around the room.

[Cato Kalin]

Are you ready to confront your former house?

[O.J. Simpson]

Are we ready?

[Cato Kalin]

The portal. The portal from hell is opening.

[Brady]

Brady, get closer.

[Cato Kalin]

Ladies and gentlemen, hold Cato for a second. Cato Kalin in the studio. And here we go. This has not happened once, has it? In. In. In 30 years.

[Brady]

No, 31. Almost. He's dead. But I'm gonna see him.

[Cato Kalin]

Here he comes.

[Brady]

Here it is.

[O.J. Simpson]

Look out. Oh, boy. Hey, what's going on there? Hello, Twitter world.

[Dick Toledo]

What's up, Juice?

[O.J. Simpson]

O.J. simpson here. Look at that. There we got KTO. Kalen is here. How you doing, Kato?

[Brady]

Hey, O.J.

[O.J. Simpson]

How are you? Is everything good? Everything good for you? Everything's been great for me, I'll tell you that. Ever since you ratted my ass out Tom Lane and Fran Adder and everybody else you decided to mouth off to. Here we are once again. I haven't seen you since your dick was out in that courtroom battle.

[Brady]

That was a civil trial, O.J. yes, and you. You scared me. I didn't want to be in the room with you at all.

[O.J. Simpson]

No? Why is that?

[Brady]

It's tough. It's tough.

[O.J. Simpson]

You knew you were wrong, right?

[Brady]

No, I think I was. I think the world thinks I'm right. OJ I don't want to tell Kato.

[O.J. Simpson]

What he was doing was right or wrong, but this guy. How you doing, Brady? It's good to see you again. Brady's always been good friends with me, KO and there's something you need to know. Is this good or is this bringing back memories? Are you having. Are you being triggered?

[Brady]

I'm actually friends with Jim Kelly and I do his tournament. You would never be invited. I do his Kelly for kids. And I go out there. O.J.

[O.J. Simpson]

So I would be invited to Buffalo Bills. I'm invited back. I'm in the ring of honor. That's exactly right.

[Brady]

You're part of the ring of honor still.

[O.J. Simpson]

I'm the Buffalo Bill. 2,000 yards and 14 games, Cato. I mean, you called yourself an athlete, but let's be honest. Let's be honest. Let's call it like it is. Kato Kaleb, do you have any questions for me? Cato?

[Brady]

Yeah, you know all the. In Hell, yeah, I was going to say, I, I think all these documentaries have come out about you and you even did a, A book if I did it.

[O.J. Simpson]

That's right.

[Brady]

And all that. I said, I, I think you did it and that. And I don't know how you can kind of live yourself and why, and why did you. I, I think Nevada locked you up because of the reason of they knew how to, how to prosecute and you got put in prison for that.

[O.J. Simpson]

Here's. Let me tell you this. I was having a great night and all I wanted to do was go grab a quarter pounder by myself and I'll go and tell K. Well, I just drag Cato along and he's wrecked my. And I get pissed off and I blacked out. I don't know what happened. For the next three hours, all I wanted to do was have some fries and a burger and you tagged along. Well, Juice. When you pounded that quarter pound, I crushed, I crushed. I crushed the. As it were.

[Dick Toledo]

You.

[O.J. Simpson]

You have to say thank you to me, Cato.

[Brady]

No, not gonna say thank you. I, I was gonna say that I was going to go into the house to eat with you and next thing you know, I never saw you again. So you ate that. Now I. You ate that court. You had, I think two, but you ate that one in one bite.

[O.J. Simpson]

And then I had a nap and I was chipping golf balls at the same time. That's my. That's what happened. Kato, we both know what happened. By the way, how much was I charging you for rent? I mean, tell everybody how much I charged you.

[Brady]

Well, I did offer to pay you all the time and you said, no, I don't need it.

[O.J. Simpson]

$0. So this is the Thanksgiving.

[Brady]

But I listen, I gladly pay you. And regardless of anything, I think you're a guilty man.

[O.J. Simpson]

All right, well, we both know that. Of course I'm guilty. I mean, I'm a murderer. But what you didn't do was try to defend me.

[Brady]

No, I didn't want to defend you. I was a Prosecuting witness. And I was there to be honest. Well, I guess, yeah. You're. You're. You're. You're a bad dude. And you. You had everything. You had everything, man. And you.

[O.J. Simpson]

Does it feel good to say that to me? Do you feel good? Does this. Is it close enough?

[Brady]

It's. It's cathartic for me.

[O.J. Simpson]

Is it? Do you want to take a swing?

[Brady]

No. No.

[O.J. Simpson]

You want to go to the bathroom with me real quick? I'll show you mine, you show me.

[Brady]

Try again.

[O.J. Simpson]

We could try again. I noticed that Kato had a flow problem that day. It was like he couldn't get it out. And I peed right next. Fine. I was relaxed.

[Brady]

I went to the bathroom earlier with Brady. I'm fine.

[O.J. Simpson]

That's good. Yeah. Going to the bathroom with Brady always makes a man feel good.

[Brady]

And Brady helped me out because my nails were wet. He helped out. I couldn't touch Brady. Can you get that for me?

[O.J. Simpson]

Great. Well, I just want to say hi, kiddo. It's been a minute. So I just want to pop by and say hi and hope everything's going well for you.

[Brady]

Let me ask you a question. Are. You're in hell now? So what's it like?

[O.J. Simpson]

Surprisingly, it's not too bad. It's a lot like Florida. It's, you know, I'm good friends now with a few people. A big celebrities, you know, swampy. You know what it's like to be around a room full of celebrities. You, you know, it's like the hell is very much like that talk with JFK the other day. That was nice. Yeah. We had Mother Teresa here. It surprised me. I saw it. I'm like, oh, boy. I'm just saying. And then, of course, we just had, you know, a few people that I saw around here. Johnny Cochran comes to visit. Now he's down here with me. Yeah. So I'll see you. Trust me, I saw that. I saw the list.

[Brady]

I'm going to heaven, baby I don't know about that. I'm going to heaven, baby I'm heavy Can wait But I'm going to heaven O.J. sorry, man.

[O.J. Simpson]

You're adjacent to an awful lot of trouble, my friend.

[Brady]

I'm in. Dude, I'm. Hey, O.J. come. Okay, leave. I. All right, K. He still has the same Bronco.

[O.J. Simpson]

That's right. Oh, I'm keeping that. That's a collector's item right there. That's a good. All right, I'll go. All right. Kato, Good interview this morning. You're welcome. I made you famous.

[Brady]

All right.

[O.J. Simpson]

I'm just saying.

[Cato Kalin]

There he goes. What?

[O.J. Simpson]

That brings some chills.

[Brady]

Yeah, it actually really chills. Like I'm picturing. People know it's John.

[Cato Kalin]

No, they think OJ's here.

[Brady]

John, that's. Oh, my God. That is like.

[Cato Kalin]

Is that fairly accurate?

[Brady]

Oh, spot on.

[Cato Kalin]

Thank you very much. I'm glad I could help. It made me uncomfortable midway through.

[Brady]

Oh, my God.

[Cato Kalin]

Has anyone ever done an OJ for you before?

[Brady]

No, that was. No, that was spot on.

[Cato Kalin]

You want me to be on your podcast?

[Brady]

Yeah. Can you?

[Cato Kalin]

We could scare the hell out of Zenner.

[Brady]

Oh, God. That was.

[O.J. Simpson]

Zenner. Be so uncomfortable. Did you not pay rent?

[Cato Kalin]

You answered that question, though.

[Brady]

Yeah. No, I offered OJ rent all the time.

[Cato Kalin]

He never, Never took money.

[Brady]

He did, by the way. He was doing, I think Notre Dame football. He was doing. He was doing events all the time. He wasn't. He was around, but he wasn't around as much as one would think.

[O.J. Simpson]

Right.

[Brady]

He was always gone and doing some event. In that 6 and 6 and a half months that I was there. He was gone a lot of times, and I. I rarely. Rarely would see the guy kidding. And that's why it was unusual. He came. He never even came to my door, like, maybe once or twice. But that's why it was so bizarre that that night he came to my door to ask for a change of 100. And I think, obviously, it's probably set up an alibi.

[Cato Kalin]

Wow.

[Brady]

And he didn't expect me to invite myself.

[Cato Kalin]

That's crazy. All right. People asking questions says, what would OJ or Kato do if they were in our producer Dick Toledo's position? His son is not paying rent down there in Tucson, and Toledo has to pay his son's rent. He's 19 years old.

[Brady]

Keep doing it, man. Should we have.

[Cato Kalin]

Should we have O.J. come back in and say what we should do with somebody who's not paying?

[Brady]

I would say at least buy Dick.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah.

[Brady]

At least five scratchers. So see a chance. A chance to win some money.

[Cato Kalin]

That's a perfect answer. Because he's very into the lottery tickets. Cato.

[Brady]

Caitlin knows lottery tickets get. At least. He has to get him of seven a week. Yeah, that's seven bucks.

[Cato Kalin]

This guy says, I've listened to you since you were at the station before I was a station before this for a couple years. All the decades. The most fascinating thing that's ever happened on your show. I had to do a press conference. Can we listen on a podcast to replay? Of course you can. Will be on There. Are you enjoying yourself? Are we okay?

[Brady]

No, I'm telling you what.

[Cato Kalin]

I just want to make sure you're not going to leave stink.

[Brady]

No, listen, you guys are on fire. This is seriously on fire.

[Cato Kalin]

Okay, well, that's because O.J. was just here. Get a little hot. He's been a little bit.

[Brady]

Thank God he didn't drop anything. Stove him.

[Cato Kalin]

Said, this one says, for Cato, any surreal moments? Like, I can't believe I'm in this room with this celebrity. Like, who are you? Who have you been starstruck by that came to you and said, cato Kalin, let's talk.

[Brady]

Actually, not starstruck at all. I think I've met everybody. I mean, I met from Leo DiCaprio and.

[Cato Kalin]

But they named the person.

[O.J. Simpson]

He's like Kevin Bacon. Who's.

[Cato Kalin]

You. Like, who's come to you. You, like, see him across from.

[O.J. Simpson]

Go.

[Cato Kalin]

Oh, my God, there's like, Harrison Ford. And then they come and say, Cato. Caitlin.

[Brady]

A great story I'll tell is that I was at a party, and the party was. This is sort of my intro to Charlie Sheen. Nick Cassavetes. I know he did the Notebook. Nick. Nick. I think Nick Cage. We're all at a party for Peter Bogdanovich.

[Cato Kalin]

Oh, my God.

[Brady]

And it was incredible. That. And by the way, I love sports. And all these guys have sports, too. And I think Sean Penn, it was sort of that group that always hung out. And I was at the party, and they put me on the phone with. God, I. I was on the phone with. I can't remember who it was. Someone famous. And I did a whole thing of like, yeah, it's so great to meet you, and all that stuff, and Cato and all that. And I said, here's Charlie. So I gave the phone back as Charlie, but it was still me. I'm going. I'm telling you, that kid was a great dude, man. Handsome, nude and funny. And he's all this. I'm sorry, it's still me. Yeah, I did that bit. But. But it was. And this is what Bogdanovich was. Huge director in 98. It was. Everybody was at this Hollywood party. So I met so many people.

[Cato Kalin]

And they're coming to you.

[Brady]

Yeah, I was.

[Cato Kalin]

They're asking you questions.

[Brady]

Yeah, A lot of those things happened to me. A lot. And I think it was my first invite. When Hef first invited me to the Mansion to be there, and it was loaded with every A List person was there. And then after I did the first thing with Hef, he invited me the Next one. Then I became his friend. You have to understand that with the parties were I. I was just myself. Like, I am what you guys hear. I'm not a big drinker. Nothing. Drugs. And I became friends with so many people. And then they have to put me on the short list, which is you get to go to the movie nights and everything else.

[O.J. Simpson]

Wow.

[Brady]

And.

[O.J. Simpson]

Holmberg's morning sickness and how fast did that happen?

[Cato Kalin]

First time through.

[Brady]

First time through, I made, I guess, a pretty good impression with him. Then he invited me from then on.

[Cato Kalin]

So you're at the Playboy Mansion, the Playmates are around, the women and everything's around. You're in the room. I don't know with what celebrities, but did you ever, like, one up a celebrity? I know Lovett's pretty well and I know he used to go there a lot.

[Brady]

I don't know if you know John. I know John. Yeah. John has. I have a great story with John Lovitz.

[Cato Kalin]

What is it?

[Brady]

John Lovitz and I, he didn't know me yet and we're coming back and he. He'll tell his story. If you're buddies with him. We're coming back from the Kentucky Derby and we're both in the first class. I haven't met him yet.

[Cato Kalin]

Right.

[Brady]

And he just. He waves and we go up to the. By the bathrooms there in the first class cabin. We talk probably three hours. And because he won't shut up, became friends from that moment. Yeah. So did I see him?

[Cato Kalin]

Kato, I had another question. Let me ask you this real quick. And it's all he does is on and on.

[Brady]

Yeah, yeah, he did. He did talk a lot. Jealous.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah, he's great and he'll tell you stories. But Lovett's. Yeah, Lovett's is in. Let's say he's in the thing. You got Bill Maher there and the Playmates come and talk to you. Have you ever, like, witnessed the, like, being the man in front of guys who are like, really? You swiped. You swiped a Playmate off of a guy like Tommy Lee or something?

[Brady]

I would think there were certain faces. I'm trying to think of people's names that were kind of. I could tell they didn't like me and all that. I. One guy would. I pretty much talked to Bill. It did kind of brush me off, was Dave Grohl.

[Cato Kalin]

Oh, no kidding.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Cato Kalin]

So I was like, well, he brushed you off.

[Brady]

Like, I mean, he didn't really. It was like, hey, nice. Nice to meet you at the Mansion.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Cato Kalin]

Was it because you had breasts in your face that he was interested in. Are you sure it was Dave Grohl? It just wasn't like you couldn't see around the vaginas that were surrounding Kato. Kayla, at one point, like, is it still a thing? Where do people, like, throw themselves at you? Have you ever.

[Brady]

No, I got married, so.

[Cato Kalin]

No, I know that, but I'm saying you still have to say. All right, this is weird.

[Brady]

I mean, I still got something, I guess.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah. You know, you're an attractive man. You keep yourself in good shape, you're well known, you've got a fascinating story. So I'm assuming that that's sort of magnetic.

[Brady]

Yeah. So how do I answer? I mean, I. I meet people at grocery stores, say hi, and I. I can. I can sense when they're interested. If I wasn't single, I could definitely.

[O.J. Simpson]

Yeah.

[Cato Kalin]

Do you think that happens without the story?

[Brady]

There's a maid waiting for me right now, by the way. Guys. Thanks. Why did I have to crash in the lobby? I thought you guys actually got me a room.

[Cato Kalin]

Oh, sorry.

[O.J. Simpson]

Hey, I just heard you talk about a maid. You could have gotten me a maid that night. Cleaned up some of that floor. Good God, Cato. What? Step over the blood. Oh, you got it, officer.

[Brady]

This guy. This guy will never leave.

[O.J. Simpson]

Justin. No. I'm never going anywhere. I'm gonna live next to you forever. That's. I'm sorry. I have to go. I'm just saying.

[Brady]

You know what's funny?

[O.J. Simpson]

Where's Momma?

[Brady]

You know what's funny OJ Is that the.

[O.J. Simpson]

Wait, am I still here?

[Brady]

Playing as all these tapes that were done beforehand? And I thought those tapes weren't in. Introduced as evidence where he did the. The interrogation. I just remember the interrogation was kind of like, he's so guilty of me. Yeah, you.

[O.J. Simpson]

Well, I'm guilty of what? Flying too late at night? I wasn't even home, Kato. I was chipping golf balls in my sleep on an airplane in Chicago.

[Brady]

Cut your finger off?

[O.J. Simpson]

Yeah. Chop my finger up on a glass. Cutting. Shaving glass.

[Cato Kalin]

Shaving the glass.

[O.J. Simpson]

Brady's right? Brady remembers it. Brady, I wish you was my roommate. I'm just. All right, I gotta go. He went to McDonald's too. I mean, quarter pound, we would. We'd still be at McDonald's. Can we drive through him?

[Brady]

Brady's like, can we just drive through him three more times, Please?

[O.J. Simpson]

I got something to do, man.

[Brady]

Extra napkins.

[O.J. Simpson]

Jesus. Need extra nap. That would have been a good idea.

[Cato Kalin]

Did you ever meet Al Callings?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Cato Kalin]

A few times.

[Brady]

Met Al C. Yeah, I met Al.

[Cato Kalin]

Is he still loyal to the idea?

[Brady]

I, you know what?

[Cato Kalin]

I, he never does any of the document.

[Brady]

No, I don't know. I, I don't know. I, I, if anybody knows any. I think my, My opinion. They were like brothers. They're best friends. And he had a great relationship with Nicole. They're dear friends, you know, like a protector or something. So I don't know. I don't know what he's doing. And how is, how do you say.

[Cato Kalin]

Furman does them now think you. Furman's the other you.

[O.J. Simpson]

He's the bad guy every time.

[Cato Kalin]

He's. He's the one famous for this trial. That also won't shake it. But for the. He says it in the documentary this time, too. He goes, I'm always going to be that. And he has had to come to grips with some real stuff.

[Brady]

Yeah. I don't know if I, I got the impression the detectives didn't like him at all either.

[Cato Kalin]

Same.

[Brady]

So it's kind of like, wow. His own, his own, like, camaraderie of people that he works with are like, you're, you're a bad dude.

[Cato Kalin]

Maybe the, maybe the documentary in this whole entire event, like, it's talking to you today, kind of makes me realize that the inevitability of, of your path. Furman was on that path. OJ Was on that path, and you were on a path. And you still perseverance and ambition and, and an ability to carry that weight has taken you to be okay with it. How many people would have caved in your situation?

[Brady]

Yeah, I ranked them honestly. The John, the. I really think it's because of how I was raised.

[O.J. Simpson]

Really.

[Brady]

It sounds corny, but I. Very tight, very loving family. And I always say, people would say to me, hey, man, you ever need trouble a psychologist. You ever need to see anybody? You know, during the time people thought I needed to get, like, psychological. Sure. Like maybe psychiatry. Get what you're going through. It's like, no, I just talk to my family.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah.

[Brady]

And my family. And they humble. They ground you. They do all these things.

[Cato Kalin]

What did you do?

[Brady]

When I was seven years old, I was, I was seeing a psychiatrist all by myself. I'm kidding. Kato. How about the train?

[Cato Kalin]

No, don't do these trains.

[O.J. Simpson]

We've made it almost two hours without that.

[Cato Kalin]

That crap. And Brady. Brady's wrong. You didn't pun once.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Cato Kalin]

And we. Yeah. All right. This is beautiful.

[Brady]

But, yeah, I really. They were great. My parents were great.

[Cato Kalin]

And so what did Your dad do for a living?

[Brady]

He owned two restaurants and was in sales.

[Cato Kalin]

No kidding.

[Brady]

And he was in liquor sales. He had a liquor distributorship, so. And I, we had liquor around the.

[Cato Kalin]

House all the time.

[Brady]

But they never drank.

[Cato Kalin]

They didn't drink. What did your mom do?

[Brady]

My mom was a nurse.

[Cato Kalin]

No kidding.

[Brady]

So my other two sisters, nurses too.

[Cato Kalin]

What kind of restaurants?

[Brady]

I compare them to kind of like this. What do you call steak and Steak and shake. Steak. Not steak and shake. Sit down restaurants, but all like steak and ale.

[Cato Kalin]

Oh boy. You're gonna get Brady. Just say yes. We're gonna list.

[Brady]

Yeah. Yes, I guess. What's that Australian one? That. It's outback. Yeah, but like that kind of place.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Where it's, you know, Wisconsin. Steak one was called the Bayside one was called Nino's.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah. And just successful, upper middle class, normal people.

[Brady]

Yeah. You know, I. My dad, he had the rest of his. But he still worked and worked every day.

[Cato Kalin]

But you as a kid never wanted for anything and like kind of had like a normal.

[Brady]

We had six, seven actually. One died, but we had seven. I was totally fine.

[Cato Kalin]

Seven kids.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Cato Kalin]

No kidding.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Cato Kalin]

And what do your. What do your brothers and sisters think of all this?

[Brady]

It was a time there. They're like on Team Cato all the way. Of course. Yeah. They were like. They would listen. A story that I don't think I've told is like when I'm in the interrogation when the police take me and no one knows who the person that got killed was. They just said another male was with Nicole.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah.

[Brady]

There's no identification. My. I've got. I can't find it, but I have it somewhere in all my tapes. It's my mom calling the entire tape. It's an hour. It's her just crying, calling each time, like thinking that I was dead.

[O.J. Simpson]

Oh.

[Brady]

So going through. I could see the stress my mom would have to be going through in the family because I'm not calling back and I'm. I'm just in a room waiting there for eight hours.

[Cato Kalin]

So did your brothers and sisters think, oh, looney Cato's out there in LA and he lives with OJ and like.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah.

[Cato Kalin]

Prior to that you were just this guy. You know, the way they panicked the news.

[Brady]

Right.

[Cato Kalin]

Well, before the news.

[Brady]

Oh yeah. All the stuff. I thought you were my mom after it was. She found I was alive. She would. She was devastated by all the shows. To have a hard copy in current affairs of all the horrible things they were saying. It was, you know, sort of like, my baby. They're talking about my baby. I remember the film the Dead Zone. It was sort of like that. Chris walking like, you're my baby. No, Dodd is the killer. It's the bad thing. I was setting you up for Chris Walken.

[Cato Kalin]

No. If you want, he'll be here. We can do that.

[Brady]

I'm sure they know.

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah, they know it was you, Cato. Did anybody ever think it was you and, like, make it known or that you were involved?

[Brady]

I. There was a story that I was supposedly selling drugs. I'm so against. I never did drugs. Never like that. I hated that more than anything because I really lived clean life. And they started that with a tabloid show that really I was doing drugs or selling drugs. And I was like, boy, this is. And it got bigger and bigger with this story. They kept airing it. So I thought to the lawyers, I said, can we sue these people? Can you find out that there was a silhouette of a guy of.

[Cato Kalin]

Oh, he just did the silhouette.

[Brady]

The old thing of.

[Cato Kalin]

On tv. Was it his voice?

[O.J. Simpson]

A drug dealer?

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah, kind of crap. Yeah.

[O.J. Simpson]

Oh, wow.

[Cato Kalin]

And you never found out who that was?

[Brady]

I think it was a tableau trial. I will say it off air. I think it was proven it was one of those shows that would go on. The shows where they have people in the audience, the fights, that kind of thing, so. And all those charades. Yeah. You know?

[Cato Kalin]

Yeah. All right.

[Brady]

And I think he's passed away.

[O.J. Simpson]

I want to play charades. What am I doing? I'm just saying I want to play a game with Cato. We used to play games together. Sorry. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Cato Kalin]

Well, Cato, this is. You want to do the entertainment drill with Brady? You're not going anywhere. We do the entertainment drill to finish it off.

[Brady]

Oh, I love that.

[Cato Kalin]

And again, I know I've got a thousand more questions that are not even on my head right now, but if there's anything I've missed. What's one thing you would love to tell everybody every time they meet you? Like, right off the bat, just say, look, I know you got me prejudged. Let me just let you know something.

[Brady]

To know me is to love me.

[Cato Kalin]

That's right. You are a very pleasant person. I've said this about a few people that come in. I'm like, you have a very. Again, this gets Phil Spector started going crazy after this and everything else. You have a very pleasant energy. You make a room better. Oh, thanks a lot.

[Brady]

That's my goal, is to always make the. A place I leave better than what it was.

[Cato Kalin]

I'm not saying it'll stay that way. I'm just saying as soon as it's gone, it says, I will. I will F that up immediately after. No, I'm not saying. Yeah. I forget who else there was. There's other people. I'm like, when you're here, the room's better. It's. It's. Some people have that. And 24 years having people in and out here. I don't know if that's a good.

[Brady]

You're on the train, baby.

[Cato Kalin]

I love a train. Kato Kalin's here. We're gonna do the entertainment drill next. It's 98, Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. He said, fully ere8k.

[O.J. Simpson]

Uh.