04-15-25 - Brandon Lee - Blank Canvas Reimagining Corrections Film - In Studio

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona
Episode: April 15, 2025
Guest: Brandon Lee
Topic: Blank Canvas: Reimagining Corrections Film - In Studio

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Introduction

In the April 15, 2025 episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness on 98 KUPD, host John Holmberg welcomes former Channel 3 news anchor Brandon Lee. The episode delves into Brandon's transformative journey from journalism to addiction recovery and his pioneering efforts in prison reform through holistic healing.

Guest Background

John Holmberg introduces Brandon Lee, highlighting his decade-long tenure at Channel 3 where he served as a news anchor. Brandon reflects on his transition from broadcasting to authoring his book and eventually dedicating himself to healing and helping others overcome addiction and trauma.

[01:09] John Holmberg: "Brandon Lee, formerly of Channel 3. That's how you remember."

Impact on Listeners

Brandon shares a profound story about a listener named Dylan, who reached out after being inspired by the show to overcome his addiction.

[02:19] Brandon Lee: "This guy Dylan... he was dope sick... listening to Holmberg's morning show, and that was the last day I ever used."

John remarks on the significance of such testimonials, emphasizing the show's role in providing support to those in need.

[03:02] John Holmberg: "This is remarkable. It's... people like Dylan still listening in. There's people right now who are actually listening in, who are struggling right now..."

Brandon's Personal Journey

Brandon opens up about his own struggles with addiction and mental health, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. In 2020, he experienced a severe mental and emotional breakdown, leading to a relapse after twelve years of sobriety.

[08:34] Brandon Lee: "In January of 2021, this suicidal ideation just took over... I used meth for the first time in almost 12 years."

He discusses the profound shame and sadness that accompanied his relapse, despite having authored a bestselling book on his recovery journey.

[09:11] Brandon Lee: "The shame I felt, the sadness I felt is a weight of shame and sadness that I never experienced."

Healing Through Therapy and Art

Brandon describes his path to healing, which involved working with a shaman healer and engaging in intensive breathwork sessions. This holistic approach enabled him to confront and heal childhood trauma, ultimately leading him to rediscover joy through art.

[10:32] Brandon Lee: "Healer... deep breath work sessions... I can get high enough on oxygen to bypass my frontal lobe."

Transforming his condo's guest room into an art studio, Brandon found solace and purpose in creating art, which played a crucial role in his recovery.

[11:32] Brandon Lee: "I started to get into artwork... I turned my guest room at my condo into an art studio."

Creation of Art of Our Soul

Embracing his newfound passion, Brandon established Art of Our Soul, a holistic healing studio aimed at helping individuals heal through art, yoga, and other therapeutic modalities. His mission extended beyond personal healing to fostering recovery in others, particularly those reentering society after incarceration.

[11:52] Brandon Lee: "I found my life's purpose... open up the first little art studio. And I just want to help people heal the way artists help me heal."

Reimagining Corrections: Holistic Healing in Prisons

Brandon's commitment to transformative healing led him to collaborate with Director Ryan Thornell, who shares his vision of reimagining the corrections system. Together, they introduced holistic healing studios within high-risk prisons, such as Perryville and Lewis Prison Complex in Buckeye.

[15:03] Brandon Lee: "We need to offer programs to them... holistic modalities that are proven to go back and help this population..."

Impact and Results

The introduction of these holistic programs yielded significant positive outcomes. Data from eight months into the program revealed:

• 90% drop in self-harm incidents at Perryville.
• 27% reduction in disciplinary violations.
• 74% decrease in mental health crises and suicidality.

[18:10] Brandon Lee: "There was a 9-80% drop in self-harm incidents at Perryville. That is huge."

These results highlight the effectiveness of addressing the root causes of criminal behavior, such as childhood trauma, through comprehensive therapeutic interventions.

"Blank Canvas" Documentary

Brandon has also produced a documentary titled "Blank Canvas," which chronicles his efforts to integrate holistic healing within the prison system. The film aims to shed light on the importance of providing second chances and addressing the underlying trauma that leads individuals to incarceration.

[20:52] John Holmberg: "So... Blank canvas. It's called blank canvas and it's about reimagining corrections..."

The documentary emphasizes that rehabilitative measures not only aid in personal healing but also contribute to safer communities and reduced recidivism, presenting a compelling argument for systemic change.

[21:19] Brandon Lee: "People deserve second chances... if we have the ability to help somebody heal from the wounding that they experience as a child, then we have safer communities."

Philosophies on Healing and Second Chances

Brandon passionately advocates for viewing incarcerated individuals through a lens of empathy and understanding rather than mere punishment. He argues that investing in holistic healing is both a compassionate and fiscally responsible approach, potentially saving Arizona taxpayers significant amounts by reducing recidivism.

[22:03] Brandon Lee: "It costs Arizona taxpayers on average $45,000 a year to incarcerate one individual... invest a couple of thousand dollars into Art of Our Soul... that's $450,000 for just one person after ten years."

Overcoming Stigma and Empowering Change

Brandon addresses the stigma associated with addiction and incarceration, emphasizing that healing is possible and that individuals can reclaim their lives with the right support. By hiring former inmates and providing them with a living wage, Art of Our Soul not only fosters recovery but also promotes workforce development and economic stability within the community.

[22:27] Brandon Lee: "I only hire former incarcerated individuals... because I want to be part of workforce development."

Closing Remarks

John Holmberg commends Brandon for his bravery and dedication, acknowledging the immense positive impact of his work. The episode concludes with information about the screening of "Blank Canvas" at the Herberger Theater and its subsequent availability on YouTube, encouraging listeners to support and engage with Brandon's mission.

[35:28] John Holmberg: "And you're doing this, I believe, Thursday... it premieres on YouTube."

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Notable Quotes

• Brandon Lee ([05:04]): "It's never too late to heal from the trauma that sent you down the path you're on."

• John Holmberg ([21:50]): "Nothing about jail has scared people from going back."

• Brandon Lee ([27:20]): "If we don't help them rewire their brain and help them heal, we are not making our community safer."

Conclusion

This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness provides an inspiring look into Brandon Lee's journey from the stressful world of news broadcasting to becoming a catalyst for change in the prison system. Through Art of Our Soul and his documentary "Blank Canvas," Brandon is demonstrating the profound impact of holistic healing on individuals and communities, advocating for a shift from punitive measures to compassionate rehabilitation.

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For more information on Brandon Lee's "Blank Canvas" documentary and upcoming screenings, visit YouTube on Thursday at the Herberger Theater or online.

Transcript

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[John Holmberg]

Services.Com Still streaming Homburg's morning sickness [e-mail] it's been interesting off the air. We should have recorded all that. This would have been a lot easier on us. Brandon Lee is here. Everybody remembers Mr. Lee. Brandon used to be a Channel 3. For how long were you there?

[Brandon Lee]

A decade.

[John Holmberg]

Was it 10 years?

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah, it was about a decade.

[John Holmberg]

So you were there for a little longer than I thought. So you were there 10 years doing news and stuff like that. You came on our show. What I just found out was 2019.

[Brandon Lee]

2019 when the book came out.

[John Holmberg]

I'm all blurred up with COVID My years around there are just like, it could be 16, it could be 22. I just don't know.

[Brandon Lee]

So you're 19 before COVID Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, we met. We met you around that time. You came in, you did your book and you talk to us about your book. And you were the most forthcoming guest this show has ever had. And we've had a few. Yeah, but you had a few of them. And a great prideful moment from that was what? Wow, you remember that? The guy that was listening to you.

[Brandon Lee]

Talk about your book, his name's Dylan.

[John Holmberg]

You know him?

[Brandon Lee]

I do. You want to know why I told you how I know him? Right?

[John Holmberg]

Go.

[Brandon Lee]

So he. This guy Dylan, he's huge in the recovery world now, and he's a great, great dude. He met me two years after. He met me two years after that at some recovery event. He came up to me and he goes, you know where I. I have to tell you the story. I was listening to Holmberg's morning show, and I was dope sick, like, just totally doped out in my. In my car in some empty parking lot, and I was listening to Holmberg.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

And he goes, and you came on and you were telling me about, you know, your drug history and, and your book and everything like that. And he goes, and that was the last day I ever used.

[John Holmberg]

It's crazy. It's nuts. I remember you had him on the podcast. Your podcast. And I listened to that and I was like, this is remark. Like the story was. It's. I mean, dark. He had. He was done.

[Brandon Lee]

He was done. Yeah. And he was high. Listening to your morning show in just.

[John Holmberg]

Which is. We recommend, by the way. I know the only way to get.

[Brandon Lee]

Through, I think, your morning show at some point.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

Just don't get to Dylan's point.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Moderation. If you're sticking around all the way from 5:45 to 10, crank out, go nuts. There's no way around it. I know Brandon's against it, but there's certain times. No, but I mean, that's. And I remember listening to that podcast and. And I thought to myself, man, it. I don't know if I talked to you about this. It added a weight to me. I didn't want that. You know, we sit around and dick around in here all the time and you realize what's.

[Brandon Lee]

What's going on, like somebody. Actually, somebody's out there don't know. Here, here's what I will say is you give people an opportunity to laugh. And I think that if we can't make fun of ourselves and we can't make light of a situation, then what are we doing? Right? And so, you know, just know that, you know, throughout your humor and all the crude jokes that you will make, and some people say, well, yeah, you know, and some people say, oh, that's so politically incorrect. Or that's so awful, you know, that there are still people that need to hear that humor and laughter and. And you can actually. Yeah, you need that levity in life. And I think that with mainstream media you just lose that. And so you have people like Dylan still listening in. There's people right now who are actually listening in, who are struggling right now, maybe contemplating a different lifestyle. And they just. They're at that middle way point. You never know the conversation you're going to have where it leads and that.

[John Holmberg]

And I don't know, like where. I don't. Honestly, I don't have that responsibility. That's not your responsibility, but I don't.

[Brandon Lee]

Nor is it mine. Right, right.

[John Holmberg]

It's nobody's but the person's. But at a certain point, is there something that can be said if that person is listening? Is there a phrase that you have leaned on or something like that for a person like that?

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah. What I tell people is like. And I had to learn this late in my life, like I was 11, 12 years, you know, in recovery when I used to be in recovery. I'm no longer. I've healed myself from addiction. So I think it's really important that people know that you can heal yourself from addiction and no longer call yourself an addict or a drug addict or an alcoholic, because I'm not anymore. But I always tell people that it's never too late to heal from the trauma that sent you down the path you're on.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

It's never too late to go back and heal that. That little boy or that little girl inside of you. And if you do that and you reconnect, like we all experience childhood trauma at some fourth, you know, in another and it resurfaces as an adult, go back and heal that part, you'll no longer have the cravings that you do.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah. So it's just. It's about. Yeah. Self examination.

[Brandon Lee]

Never too late. That's what I tell people.

[John Holmberg]

That's crazy.

[Brady]

My relationship with a grilled cheese.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Brady was molested by a grilled cheese at a very young age.

[Brandon Lee]

That's exactly what it was. Daily.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And he's been. Brandon, he's been effing him up ever since. He has been going. He's going back door and grilled cheese pretty much every day. We've tried to stop it, Brandon. That's why I asked. What phrase do you use? Because I've got a friend I need to talk to about addiction.

[Brady]

You can get over it. You can live without it.

[Brandon Lee]

Come to peace with cheese. That's right.

[John Holmberg]

Jesus, as we call him. It's. But Brandon Lee is here. You had your book. You had. I just found Out. Which is kind of on my brain that you had. You went through another time. You. Rock bottom. That's why I was going to ask. I didn't know this. I. I thought you left the news to start the art.

[Brandon Lee]

And that was it.

[John Holmberg]

And that was it.

[Brandon Lee]

And you didn't know what led to me.

[Brady]

Didn't know the image.

[Brandon Lee]

Tectonic life change.

[Larry McFeely]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Now, I can tell you this, and I don't know if you and I have talked about this, but in I got ahead to be like, 2021, I text you thinking it was a different brand and invited you to an apartment downtown out of the blue. Yeah. I'm kind of glad.

[Brandon Lee]

Why is he.

[John Holmberg]

Another guy named Brandon was at the Suns game that I was at.

[Brady]

Brandon Love.

[John Holmberg]

Brandon Love is his name.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And so at the end of the game, I had a couple pops. I wasn't drunk by any means, but I'm like, hey, the text I sent you was, I have an apartment downtown if you're interested, like, homework.

[Brandon Lee]

I like you. Quite my type. And then I. Oh, I am.

[John Holmberg]

I am every man's type. I'm. I'm a platinum. I'm a platinum Brandon. You should be so lucky, my friend. No, but I didn't catch the text till the next day. And then an erratic. Oh, my God, I can't believe I sent that. I meant to send it to another guy, and then I'm like, that's not better.

[Brandon Lee]

That's not better.

[John Holmberg]

He just. It was funny and. I know. And then you sent back all good, and then like, a thumbs up and a happy face, and I'm like, okay, cool. And then you stop talking to me.

[Brandon Lee]

You know, weird tease, like, is he on Grindr? What happens?

[Brady]

Where is his coins?

[Brandon Lee]

Where is Holmberg?

[John Holmberg]

So there was that, but I didn't know that. That now I know. And I'm not blaming that. Now I know you were in the middle of something even at that time. Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

You know, I. I had what. I had almost. What I. We used to call continuous recovery for almost 12 years. Yeah. Um. And 2020 rocked me, and I kept it to myself, but I lost it in 2020. I mean, when I tell you I had the biggest mental breakdown and emotional breakdown in my life. It happened in 2020 and 2021. Because I. I go back to that time, you know, and. And I tell people, humans, we're all wired for one thing, and that's connection with others. Like, we are wired. Wired to connect with other people. And when we look back, the way we handled and reacted To a pandemic and a virus. What was the one thing that we ripped away? Oh, yeah, it was connection. We. Isolation. We heard that word. Isolate. Right. Isolate at home, don't be around other people. Well, if you look at the data and you. You'll see there was a reason why there was a record number of suicides, there was a record number of overdose deaths and there was a huge spike in mental health crisis. Well, I was not safe from that either. I'm a normal person, you know, and I, and I need that connection.

[John Holmberg]

Were you living at home?

[Brandon Lee]

I was living at home. Alone.

[John Holmberg]

Alone, yeah, alone.

[Brandon Lee]

And oftentimes we were anchoring the news home alone. Oh, that's right, you guys were.

[Brady]

They're social.

[John Holmberg]

That's right.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah. Our crews would come to our home, set up all of our new sets and we would never have to really go to the studio.

[John Holmberg]

Wow.

[Brandon Lee]

And so we were really isolated as well. Anyway, you know, I won't go into the depths of what would the real trigger was, but I had my mental, mental breakdown and I used meth for the first time in almost 12 years. And it was the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and I got high for seven hours. And that relapse lasted seven hours. I can only tell you the depths of shame.

[John Holmberg]

Oh yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

Oh my God. I had written a best selling book a year prior about my recovery journey.

[John Holmberg]

Which is unreal, by the way, you.

[Brandon Lee]

Know, and I wrote that and I had a lot of people still writing in and reading the book in which you're still reading it today. And I, I. The shame I felt, the sadness I felt is a weight of shame and sadness that I never experienced. Not even what got me sober. What was it back in 2009, 2010.

[John Holmberg]

And if you read the book, which is called Adventures of Mascara Boy, right.

[Brandon Lee]

It's just called Mascara.

[John Holmberg]

I call it Adventures of Mascara. It's yours. Because if you read it, the adventures it is. It is. If there were drawings, you wouldn't believe them.

[Brandon Lee]

No, you wouldn't.

[John Holmberg]

The Adventures of Mascara Boy, which I don't read, but read. And I'm telling you, man, you, you.

[Brandon Lee]

I went through a dark period and this was.

[John Holmberg]

This is worse.

[Brandon Lee]

This was worse. And I didn't say anything to anybody, right, Because I didn't want to let anybody down. And In January of 2021, this suicidal ideation just took over. And when I tell people there was no light at the end of this tunnel, there was none. I used to go and I would do the news and I'd put a smile on my face. And then when I came home, I had planned out how I was going to end my life. And it was that, you know, that. That dual life that so many people who are really contemplating suicide, they'll put on a really happy face, and then they go home, and you're living another life.

[Brady]

Why? Most people, like, I had no idea.

[Brandon Lee]

I had no idea. Right. And so. But something kept me from doing it, and I'm grateful for that. My therapist was. Knew me very well and knew something was off, and I couldn't be fooling him.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Or her.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah. I just couldn't. And she called me out, and so it was at that time, she just goes, you know, there's only so much I can do with your frontal lobe. As a talk therapist, you've got to start working with this guy, and his name's Toby. He's in Alaska. We did virtual calls. But anyway, he's more of a healer, and so he's a shaman healer and works with my therapist. And we started doing deep breath work sessions. And when I tell you two hours of deep breath work, I can get high enough on oxygen to bypass my frontal lobe.

[John Holmberg]

Really?

[Brandon Lee]

Oh, yeah. And I can actually go back. It's similar to emdr, very common therapy to do reprocessing work. And for the first time in my life, was able to go back and really heal the little boy who had a lot of childhood attachment trauma when I was born. I was never really hugged as a kid. And so the drug.

[John Holmberg]

You made up for that?

[Brandon Lee]

I made up for that with the drugs. Right. I mean, that gave me that warm, fuzzy feeling, a feeling that I really was able to connect to. And anyway, was. Did that. Four months into that work, I started to get into artwork, and I turned my guest room at my condo into an art studio. It looked like Dexter lived there because literally plastic sheeting was everywhere.

[John Holmberg]

That'll be your next visit when you tell us that that's actually what's going on.

[Brandon Lee]

I pounded EDM music. I pounded EDM music and was creating artwork for four hours to, like, 5am after the news. And I felt calm, and I felt happy again nine months later. So September 2021, I literally just told the news folks, thank you, but I can't do this anymore. I can. No.

[John Holmberg]

Out of the blue, nobody saw this.

[Brandon Lee]

Nobody.

[John Holmberg]

Nobody there knew you were going through this?

[Brandon Lee]

No. Wow. And I couldn't. Nobody knew. And I could not do it again. I couldn't. I just couldn't walk into a newsroom again. And I. When I tell you I found my life's purpose. And I said, I don't even know what I'm going to do except open up the first little art studio. And I just want to help people heal the way artists help me heal. That's all I want to do with life. People like, you're nuts.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

You're gonna go teach people art?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

You're gonna be an art teacher?

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

My God.

[Brandon Lee]

Like, what is, what's wrong with Brandon? He's walking away from a main anchor gig to open up an art studio.

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[Brandon Lee]

And I did. And it, it, it's taken off. And it's only taken off because it's working. And we got to work with all these people in recovery. But what's wild is about a year and a half ago, I started working with people who were just getting out of prison. People who had spent 25 to 30 years in prison were in my art studio a week later and yeah, with reentry programs. And that led to me coming up with this idea and seeing them experience joy again and seeing them begin to heal. What led them down to make some really awful decisions. And so I kid you not, I reached out to the new Director of prisons, Director Ryan Thornell via LinkedIn A year and a half ago, really? A LinkedIn message. He responded two hours later. Within two weeks, he was at my studio. And he goes, why am I. Cool program. Yeah, cool program. But Brandon, why am I here? And I said, director, I said, I want to begin opening up holistic healing studios inside. In the prison. Inside your prisons. And he goes, are you serious? And I said, yeah, I kid you not. He goes, let's do this thing. We have a director and you gotta look him up. Director Ryan Thornell. He is all about reimagining corrections. He believes that the way of punishment only does not work.

[John Holmberg]

Sure.

[Brandon Lee]

And that, listen, roughly nine out of ten incarcerated individuals will re enter our communities.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, the recidivism's amazing, right? Coming into community and then back.

[Brandon Lee]

Correct.

[John Holmberg]

So, I mean, you're not fixing anything.

[Brandon Lee]

We had never traditionally been fixing anything. People were reoffending within six months to a year, they'd be back incarcerated. And so what he said, he goes, okay, well, why not take advantage of the opportunity while they're incarcerated to invest in holistic modalities that are proven to go back and help this population while they're in our care so that when they reenter, we're making our community safer and we're helping the local economy because then they can get a job and sustain a job. Right?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

And so he goes, no one's ever done what you want to create inside any prison in America. And so he goes, let's do it. And so.

[John Holmberg]

But what does it mean? What is when somebody like people hear holistic and you'll think, what does it mean, sister? Who's crazy?

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah. No, here, I'll tell you. So Art of Our Soul. This is what we offer the incarcerated women at Perryville and at Lewis Prison Complex in Buckeye.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Brandon Lee]

So we offer Trauma Informed Yoga. So different than Yoga Trauma Informed actually explains through movements the way trauma impacts the body and to get the trauma energy out of your body during a yoga.

[John Holmberg]

So it's education of you internally while you relax. Okay.

[Brady]

I have a friend that does that.

[Brandon Lee]

It is.

[John Holmberg]

That's crazy.

[Brandon Lee]

It is. And it works. So we specifically tailored a program to folks who have experienced immense amount of trauma, which, by the way, led them to make some pretty destructive life decisions and horrific ones at that. And so through the partnership with corrections that we have, it's. They get. They get to sign up for Yoga Trauma Informed. Yoga Trauma Informed. Breath work.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Brandon Lee]

And Sound bowl healing.

[John Holmberg]

What's that?

[Brandon Lee]

Sound Bowls, where they play.

[Brady]

My wife has a couple of those.

[Brandon Lee]

And then art and music therapy.

[John Holmberg]

I Think Brady's wife's going through a lot of trauma.

[Brandon Lee]

Trauma.

[John Holmberg]

She's got bowls all over the house.

[Brady]

What am I doing?

[John Holmberg]

House is singing non stop over there. Yeah. So that's, that's a fascinating thing to think that to me. You don't think of prisoners being arms wide open to that.

[Brandon Lee]

No, you don't. And as a matter of fact, they said the male population would never do it.

[John Holmberg]

Really?

[Brandon Lee]

They would. They always said even, you know, there was always people saying male officer. I mean male incarcerated individuals, they'll never. Yeah, they'll never do yoga, they'll never do sound bowls. Our classes are sold out.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding.

[Brandon Lee]

We have 100% attendance rate, especially at Perryville. And so we don't work with low custody either. One of the commitments that director Thornell made, he goes, if we do this and we actually build a brick and mortar holistic healing studio inside of our prison yards, I want you with the highest risk individuals, I want you with those diagnosed with serious mental illness and those with the most violent destructive behaviors. So at Perryville, we're on the Lumley unit and that is where they do have death row, they do have all the lifers, and they do have women who have committed some pretty violent crimes along with those with serious mental illness. Lewis Prison, we only work with incarcerated men who are diagnosed seriously mentally ill. It's a high risk population. But the data that's coming in after eight months is proving to show that it is working by bringing down self harm incidents and bringing down violations and violence. On the.

[John Holmberg]

You told me through a text we were talking about this. Now we'll get into the reason, the bigger reason that you're. That you're here talking about this is that you said it brought down violence. 90% at 1.

[Brandon Lee]

Yes. On the, on the. Let me get this right. So yeah, it brought. There was a ninth, 80% drop in self harm incidents at Perryville.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding.

[Brandon Lee]

That is huge.

[John Holmberg]

That's massive.

[Brandon Lee]

And is that just the people doing it just after. After they experienced one art of our soul experience? The great thing about data is that they had a baseline because they've been tracking these women for decades. You know, with a period of five years. And we introduce a new modality. Now we can look at the new baseline. Yeah, right. And so 990 self in drop in self harm. There was a 27 drop in disciplinary violations and 74 drop in mental health watches, which is suic side. Sure.

[John Holmberg]

That's crazy. Brandon.

[Brady]

What were they doing before that? Anything?

[Brandon Lee]

I mean, I got to be Honest with you. So on the Lumley unit, we're dealing with the highest risk yard. So programs traditionally in corrections were always for the low, the low level offenders on the low level units. Right. But Director Thornell, and he's truly a game changer and he's reimagining corrections. He goes, no, no, no. The people from Lumley, the high risk folks, are also going to be re entering our communities. So we need to, we need to offer programs to them. So there hadn't been a lot of programs offered to these populations ever from past directors.

[John Holmberg]

That's crazy. Brandon Lee is here to start with. Brandon Lee, formerly of Channel 3. That's how you remember. But my God, he's grown to great heights of doing things that are a whole lot better than just telling me about the house fires and kids and wells and stuff. Do you think that part of, part of your, your pattern of falling and then coming back was because you've become numb through news? Like the news every day was just not.

[Brandon Lee]

I will tell you this because when you're in news, like doing the day to day news that I was doing for 22 years. You have ice in your veins.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

And you have so much ice in your veins. All that melted away. Which when I did that work, which is why I could no longer go into a newsroom. That's kind of what I was so sensitive.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

It's like I feel everything.

[John Holmberg]

This, this made you empathetic away from all that. Which probably took it away for years.

[Brandon Lee]

I could not read about children being molested.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

Like I couldn't read about a mother and a father losing a child to a drowning in a po. I couldn't do that stuff anymore. Like I physically couldn't actually do it.

[John Holmberg]

With the word first weather next to your face while you're talking about.

[Brandon Lee]

Let's check the weather.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Exactly like it's. Yeah. The transitions are why you have to do that.

[Brandon Lee]

It just couldn't do it anymore. But here's what I tell people. It doesn't even feel like I did that in this life. Like I truly spiritually feel like I have jumped down lines.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding. But you took all you knew from your ability to deliver a story to do this documentary that you've done and tell us this in a way. Right? Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

So. Yeah. The skills that I learned.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

Blank canvas. It's called blank canvas and it's about reimagining corrections, about being really bringing the first ever holistic healing studio inside of a high risk prison and looking at the impacts and really trying to get the public here. At the end of the day, Blank Canvas is a short film documentary that really wants to open the public eyes to this, that people deserve second chances and we're not making excuses of the horrific things that many of these people did.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

But people deserve second chances. And we got to get to the root cause of what led people down to make these terrible life decisions. And it's often rooted in childhood trauma. And if we have the ability to help somebody heal from the wounding that they experience as a child, then we have a safer communities.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

Stronger economy. And it just is better overall, better.

[Brady]

Understanding in a way, as far as getting along.

[Brandon Lee]

And don't we want a better understanding of the why?

[John Holmberg]

Well, yeah. And before you release people back into the wild.

[Brandon Lee]

And for those who want to say no, I'll tell you this. Do you know how much it costs to incarcerate one individual? Ready for this? It costs Arizona taxpayers on average $45,000 a year to incarcerate one individual.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding.

[Brandon Lee]

So imagine this if you invest maybe just a couple of thousand dollars into Art of Our Soul or different kind of therapeutic programming that works and it keeps maybe that person out from reoffending for one year, five year or ten years. Think of that's 450 grand for just one person after ten years.

[John Holmberg]

Who are you getting opposition from so far?

[Brandon Lee]

No one.

[John Holmberg]

No one. So there's no group saying, oh, this is nonsense, it's costing us this, or it's creating.

[Brandon Lee]

No, because. And what I hope is it stays that way because I think that we have. There's an argument for everybody, everybody. If you're more fiscally conservative and you're just like, yeah, well that's a really good fiscal policy. Let's make a couple thousand dollar investment versus 45,000 and helping somebody heal, you know, you can go more the empathetic approach. You know, that's kind of where I come from. I'm like, you know, they've done some pretty terrible things, but they're still human. And let me tell you, when I get to go into the prisons, which I do, I still go every other week, even though I have facilitators. Because we only hire former felons at Art of our Soul. So I only hire former incarcerated individuals. I get them peer certified. They go back and work for me at Art of Our Soul in and because I want to be part of workforce development, I want to pay them a living wage, you know, livable wage, and I have to practice what I preach And I get to know them and they're really. When you break through that hardened layer. Yeah, a lot of them have suffered some pretty terrible things.

[John Holmberg]

We get a whole bunch of them that listen. We meet them at shows and the stuff they say is, I'm trying to make it better. I just need it. And they all say that. So I just needed that someone that will give me that chance.

[Brandon Lee]

They need a chance.

[Brady]

And we see, you know, some that have done amazing things afterwards.

[John Holmberg]

And that's the thing you give them. You give them that chance. Not everybody, nobody wants to go back there. Now the jackass in me says, having read your book, the last thing you need to be doing is going to prisons.

[Brandon Lee]

Hey. Hey.

[John Holmberg]

Sorry. Maybe it's you texting me.

[Brandon Lee]

What I'm saying is, come on a tour.

[John Holmberg]

How come you haven't asked me to come with you?

[Brandon Lee]

I can probably pull a few strings if you're really interested in coming with me to the prison to see how it works. It's probably.

[John Holmberg]

It fascinates me because I am a judgy prick and I look at things like, you did that crime. You should be incarcerated. But I also realize that there's nothing happening in there that's going to make somebody who had a drug offense or beat up cars or stole something that damaged property that they're coming back and maybe they were inebriated or in some sort of an addiction thing and that's why they got caught doing what they got doing. That's not the. Like you said, the root cause of why they're in jail is, is, oh, I beat up a car. But why you beat that car up is because you were addicted to this because you had all this other stuff. And jail does nothing but enhance that. It makes it worse. And then we're like, okay, you got a three year sentence, we got to get rid of you. And they come out worse. Morning sickness.

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[Brady]

Now.

[John Holmberg]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness. Yes. So this is a great. Whatever works to me is what I'm into. I'm curious because I saw the trailer. We'll put this up on our Facebook. The trailer for what you did is like kind of like, whoa.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah, it'll catch your attention.

[John Holmberg]

It just opened your eyes in a different direction instead of just dismiss it. It's over in the desert.

[Brandon Lee]

And we didn't want to glorify the crimes either. We didn't want there's enough of that on Netflix and other documentaries that really kind of glorify the crimes. And they do all these like, you know, the Jodi Arias. Right. They always just focus on those things.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

But we really wanted to focus on something else. We wanted to focus on and humanize them and be able to see, okay, what was the root cause. But now what are the therapies that the new leadership over at. Correct. Really bringing in and partnering with, you know, these providers to come in and really kind of do that work. And to let you know, violent offenders will also come back into our community. It's not just people who beat up trucks. And we're talking about true violent offenders who people who've committed some really Horrific crimes. They've already spent 15 to 20 years. They're able to come back after that prison sentence.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

So if we don't help them rewire their brain and help them heal, we are not making our community safer.

[John Holmberg]

Now, here's what. Because I. You get everything from this audience.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So I look and I see immediately it says, are you facing a lot of people that think you were a grifter? Because it's an area that the general public just doesn't care about.

[Brandon Lee]

That I'm a grifter.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Are you seeing that? I don't think he's calling you that. I think he's saying that this could. I can see where people would be like, oh, what? What's in it for you?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You know what I mean? And that. And beyond.

[Brady]

Beyond money making opportunity.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Beyond the existential parts and the parts. People will think that.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah, absolutely. People will think that. So I will say this and this one beautiful lesson that my therapist, Sl Healer told me. He goes, brandon, there are two things that can be true. Because when I opened up Art of Our Soul and we started to have a lot of success, and I. I built the franchise model to my company. So, yeah, I. My studio is now a franchise. So we build my studios inside clinics and hospitals and treatment centers. And now we have two in two in the. Our state prisons. Here's what. And I had a lot of guilt. And so I. My therapist goes, why are you giving so much away? Because I was. I'm an artist as well. So I just started giving away, like really expensive art to donations, raising 30 to 60 thousand dollars per piece for charity. And he goes, I like that you're doing that. I just. Why? You're doing a lot of it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

And he goes, why? And he goes, do you have shame about the success you're having? And I said, I do.

[John Holmberg]

So it's a little guilt coming in that this is working so well.

[Brandon Lee]

So he goes, okay. He goes, important time for me to tell you this. He goes, money is just an exchange. And he goes, that's all it is. It's just an exchange for services. And he goes. And Brandon, two things can be true. You can do a lot of good and you can make a lot of money. And he goes, and I would suffice to say this, the reason why you're doing good is because your intention was never money. I know what you left as the main news anchor here at Channel three.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

I know what you left. And you left to open up a little 600 square foot art studio. You left all that behind. Your intention was never money.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

And he goes, so I'll. I'll leave you with this perhaps at your higher self and the guides who are watching over. Over you in this life's purpose. You're having success because if you didn't have that success, you wouldn't be able to expand. And the work you're doing is having a positive impact on so many people. If you didn't have that money, you wouldn't be able to invest and expand to bring those services to more people. So that's how I. That's how I'd answer that.

[John Holmberg]

So you have to do that yourself and then get another email. It says, the great guest this morning. Not the usual content, but it needs to be heard. And you guys are awesome for giving them a platform. It isn't us that's doing it. Brandon brought it up, and I thought, this is a great idea.

[Brandon Lee]

So you answered the text?

[John Holmberg]

Of course I did. I answer my text.

[Brandon Lee]

You do it. I'm like, hey, Holmberg, I have this film, Blank Canvas. It's premiering on YouTube. I was like, you know, it's about incarceration. Can I come on your show? And without. I mean, what was it like? 30 seconds later, homeboy grows.

[John Holmberg]

He literally goes, 16 minutes. I'm looking at the time.

[Brandon Lee]

16 minutes. He goes. He said something like, for you? Yeah, anytime.

[John Holmberg]

Well, actually, what I said was, would you say open door for you, anytime? Especially for a dirty women's prison movie. I'm all in.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And then I said. And then I was hoping.

[Brandon Lee]

I was trying to keep it a little bit cleaner and, like, save them a little bit, but.

[John Holmberg]

And I said, I'm just kidding. Fantastic trailer. And it is. I said, thank you more than welcome to come by.

[Brandon Lee]

So.

[John Holmberg]

And you're doing this, I believe, Thursday.

[Brandon Lee]

Thursday at the Herbert Theater. Yeah, it's the. It's the film screening and at the Herberger Theater. So we're excited for that. And then it premieres on YouTube. It was really important. I didn't want it to go on a streaming service because I want people to see it at YouTube and I. Where anybody can watch it. Yeah, anywhere.

[John Holmberg]

No, it's. It's. It's in. The trailer itself is like, whoa. All right. Trying something different with people. That again, like, this guy said, he's like, it's an area that the public doesn't pay attention to or care about. And so when you get kind of into that mental aspect, when you see it, you go, oh, if you do care about it. It cares back.

[Brandon Lee]

And because shouldn't we. I'm all about, like, shouldn't we just open people's eyes to a different perspective? I'm not asking you to agree with us, but maybe just be open to it, you know, and, and yeah, trying to tell the story that what we're doing isn't working. Well, you'll have hadn't been working and.

[John Holmberg]

It hasn't worked forever. I mean, nothing about like jail has scared people from going back.

[Brandon Lee]

Correct.

[John Holmberg]

Nothing about it is correct or anything. I'm Swedish. I've paid attention. I don't know why, but I know about Swedish presence. A lot of movies is that the.

[Brady]

Sweden's known for incredible rehabilitation.

[John Holmberg]

They put you in an apartment, you don't get a cell. You get like a therapist every day. You get to talk about things.

[Brandon Lee]

When you see the studios inside of Lewis Prison and Perryville Prison, it doesn't feel and look like you're in prison.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Brandon Lee]

It's an insane studio because guess what? Change the environment, you change behavior. Change the environment, you change behavior, you change the way you behave in the environment that you're in. So you don't have different results. We got to change what we're doing in order to achieve those results.

[John Holmberg]

And we just keep banging our head against the wall. So anything. This one says, I was locked up for six years. There was a yoga program that helped me. Thank you for what you're doing. Keep doing it, Mitchell. Thank you, Mitchell. Another one says, I'm a man. Three and a half years continuous sobriety. And the stuff Brandon is doing is so beneficial. Not calling himself an addict. And that has been healed from addiction. I think it's dangerous for myself, but if it works for you, you know, he's, he's. You know, everybody's got their own story that comes at it like, oh, that's scary. I could never say I'm not.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah, it is. And I get it. I was part of the 12 step program for almost a dozen years, and I totally get that philosophy. And I have so many friends and people who are still part of that. I work with people in the. At our studio who are still part of that program. And with all due respect, it's. I respect them and their belief system and, you know, I just. It was actually my therapist who looked at me and goes, okay, yeah, why do you keep calling yourself that? And I fought my therapist for about a year on that.

[John Holmberg]

You have to do it.

[Brandon Lee]

And she goes, brandon, she goes, do you still think you're an Addict. Yeah. And I was like, you know, once an addict, always an addict. And she goes, not true. She goes, you have done the work to heal yourself. And.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. And what you've been through and. And you sharing it is crazier than anything. I'd keep everything you've done if I was you. Quiet. Everything you. If it was me, I'd be like, nobody's going to know a thing. I'm never going to say a word. I'm going to change my name. But it's brave is what you're up to.

[Brandon Lee]

No, it's very brave. No, life's purpose.

[John Holmberg]

No. Well, it's life's purpose, but there takes some. There's some brevity to that, that to. To be able to share that with other people. And I get it. You were here once before. Emails blew up of like, I need this. This is something we. You know that the guy was. Dylan is his name. Yes.

[Brandon Lee]

He's awesome.

[John Holmberg]

Unreal. So what you're doing is different than a lot of people. And I don't have anything inside me that says, help me fix the prison system. But the fact that you do, it's.

[Brandon Lee]

Because I got to meet. I got to meet people who had spent 25 years to life, and they were. They were in my studio, and I got to know them, and I saw these, like, wounded little boys and girls inside of them, and I said, what do you guys need? Like, I. I just. I want people when they get. I just. My heart bleeds for them. Bleeds for them.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Well, take care of you, too. Make sure you're doing all right, because this is an awful lot to take on.

[Brandon Lee]

Thank you. It is very true.

[John Holmberg]

It's very true. You start digging yourself into this stuff, thinking I got all this on my shoulders, now you can fall. Don't do that. Do you ever walk by Channel 3 and say, hey, Horton, how's the weather? I'm solving the world's problems. Hey, Royal. Norman. Oh, cold front, huh? I'm busy saving the prison system. I don't know if you knew that about Brandon. Remember when he's sitting next to you and talk about drownings all day? Yeah. Now, I fixed that.

[Brady]

You getting hit by grapple?

[Brandon Lee]

Yeta and Royal still reach out.

[John Holmberg]

The rest of them don't. Ooh. Yet.

[Brandon Lee]

And Royal?

[John Holmberg]

Not even Ian. I talk to Ian every once in a while. He doesn't talk. Well, let's reunite. You and Ian never got along. Haiti and Schwartz. Schwartz can go if he's in prison. You're changing your whole tune, right? You're never going back again if Schwartz goes in.

[Brady]

We need to get Schwartz.

[John Holmberg]

A bull.

[Brady]

Yeah, a sound bull.

[John Holmberg]

Do you miss the news at all? Do you miss the old job? Not even a little bit.

[Brandon Lee]

Not one day.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding. You missed the jack? No, no. My God. I see. That's where we're totally different. But it's amazing. That's such a. You're, you know. It's true. It's inspirational.

[Brandon Lee]

Thank you.

[John Holmberg]

It really is, Brandon. And it's something you should be very, very proud of. So if you want to see.

[Brandon Lee]

It's YouTube.

[John Holmberg]

YouTube.

[Brandon Lee]

A blank canvas.

[John Holmberg]

Canvas. And it's happening, right? Theater.

[Brandon Lee]

Yeah. Herberger Theater. On Thursday at 5pm and then. And then, obviously it's going to be online. It premieres on YouTube, so you can just watch it from your phone. Friday.

[Brady]

It'll be available on Thursday.

[Brandon Lee]

Oh, we're doing the same day.

[Brady]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

All right. What else you got? Anything else you want to tell us?

[Brandon Lee]

No, that's it.

[John Holmberg]

Nothing, sir. Nothing you want to share?

[Brandon Lee]

I just feel like I blurted out a lot.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you did. Blurred out a lot. You want to get anything off your chest?

[Brandon Lee]

No.

[John Holmberg]

What are you hiding?

[Brandon Lee]

You never even went to commercial break.

[John Holmberg]

No, I know. We're going to do it now.

[Brandon Lee]

Oh, God. It worked out. I should have worked in radio.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, you've been great at it.

[Brandon Lee]

No, it's just so much more free what you guys do that's just here.

[John Holmberg]

Honestly, this business is a nightmare.

[Brandon Lee]

Is it awful?

[John Holmberg]

We're fine. Because we're.

[Brandon Lee]

You know, I haven't watched the news once since I left. Is that true? I haven't watched one minute. I didn't even. Not even through the election. I have not watched one minute of news. My mental health is the best it's ever been.

[John Holmberg]

Good Lord, that's so true. Probably.

[Brandon Lee]

I made a commitment and I'm so proud. I say with the commitment. I know. Like, literally the only thing I know what's going on in the world is when somebody. Somebody posts a screen grab and put it on, like, a story on Instagram. I'm like, oh, that's happening. Swipe. Like, I.

[John Holmberg]

You don't care?

[Brandon Lee]

I don't care about the Earth?

[John Holmberg]

No.

[Brandon Lee]

And somebody goes, oh, that's so naive. No, it's not naive. I'm actually smart enough. I'm smart enough to know what I can and can't have an impact on in this world. And I can't have an impact on, you know, what's going on. There. So why do I need to know about it?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we do bog down with stuff we can't control. It's a helplessness that we try to find.

[Brandon Lee]

So what I can't control is what's happening in my world. And there I'm going to try to make the best influence and most positive impact that I can can.

[John Holmberg]

Solopsism.

[Brandon Lee]

It's what?

[John Holmberg]

It's solopsism.

[Brandon Lee]

What is that?

[John Holmberg]

You are your own creation. You are your own.

[Brandon Lee]

Oh, well, yeah, I like that kind of a thing.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's a very. It's a philosophy that's kind of crazy.

[Brandon Lee]

Never did I think I would learn any words.

[John Holmberg]

Not on this show. I teach you, Brandon. I'll teach you a few new words. Just that one was a smart one. The other ones are brutal. Brandon Lee is. Thank you. Oh, thanks for coming at you. Always good. I love having Brandon in here. And anytime you got anything you want to do, you're. You always bring. You always bring. It makes my job a lot easier when you. You're an open book like that. If you want to go to the movie, YouTube is where it is.

[Brandon Lee]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

And I'm going to make some art.

[Brady]

I look forward to coming.

[Brandon Lee]

Oh my God. Come we hydro dip. Hydro dip hats, hydro dip, your air force ones, your sneakers, anything. Come.

[John Holmberg]

You do the shoes.

[Brandon Lee]

Oh, yeah. Oh, come come after one of your shows.

[John Holmberg]

All right, that's a deal. I will put everything up on Facebook so you guys can pay attention to it. Always a pleasure, sir.

[Brandon Lee]

Always good to see you.

[John Holmberg]

Brandon lee, everybody. It's 98, Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. He said fully erect 98.

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