05-19-25 - Holmberg Issues Apology To Native Grill For Abusing 10 Cent Wings Back In The Day - Man Who Bombed Fertility Clinic Was Anti Natalist Who Thinks Fetuses Didn't Ask To Be Here - Mexican Navy Needed A Flagpole Sitta To Spot Bridge

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona: Episode Summary (05-19-25)

Host and Show Details

• Title: Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona
• Host: John Holmberg
• Co-Hosts: Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
• Station: 98 KUPD | Hubbard Radio
• Release Date: May 19, 2025
• Description: Arizona's #1 Morning Radio Show where John Holmberg and his team entertain, question, and occasionally disturb listeners with engaging discussions and insightful commentary.

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1. Apology to Native Grill for Abusing 10 Cent Wings

Timestamp Highlights:

• [01:44] John Holmberg: Introduces the main topics, including reminiscing about past experiences.
• [02:54] Brett Vesely: Responds affirmatively, transitioning into the discussion about 10 cent wings.
• [05:24] John Holmberg: Reflects on past indulgences and the impact on Native New Yorker’s business.

Summary: The episode opens with John Holmberg reflecting nostalgically on his youth, specifically his experiences with the Native New Yorker restaurant's infamous 10 cent wings. He recounts how he and his friends would frequent the establishment every Wednesday right after school, enjoying large quantities of wings and beverages despite their modest budgets.

Key Points:

• Volume and Quality: Holmberg describes the overwhelming volume of wings served, often not cooked to order, leading to inconsistent quality. “The wings weren't very big. But 10 cent wings, they were,” he shares at [02:55].
• Impact on Staff: The high demand and low pricing led to burnout among waitstaff, resulting in high turnover rates. Holmberg laments, “The management and the turnover at that place… They were losing staff weekly” ([06:23]).
• Personal Regret: Feeling guilty about past behaviors, Holmberg issues a heartfelt apology to the restaurant staff for their relentless patronage. “I need to go back to apologize to all… we abused for salad and soup day,” he admits at [05:26].
• Economic Strain: The low pricing model, while attracting a young crowd, placed significant financial strain on the restaurant, contributing to its eventual decline. “This place is just... It was packed, but they canceled it after 25 weeks” ([08:25]).

Notable Quote:

“We should have tipped them like we were at stake 44. It should have been 30 bucks for a bill for a party of 10.”
— John Holmberg [06:23]

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2. Discussion on Antinatalism and the Fertility Clinic Bombing

Timestamp Highlights:

• [20:00] John Holmberg: Transitions to discussing a recent tragic event involving antinatalism.
• [20:38] Bret Vesely: Introduces the subject of a man bombing a fertility clinic.
• [21:19] John Holmberg: Delves deeper into the motivations and philosophy of the bomber.

Summary: A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing a disturbing incident where a man bombed a fertility clinic in California, driven by antinatalist beliefs. Antinatalism is a philosophical stance opposing procreation, asserting that bringing new life into existence is morally wrong due to the inherent suffering it brings.

Key Points:

• Motive of the Bomber: The individual believed that fetuses did not consent to being born and viewed existence as a perpetual cycle of suffering. Holmberg explains, “He’s against all pregnancy because the baby never had a choice to be here” ([20:02]).
• Philosophical Debate: The hosts engage in a philosophical debate about the validity and extremity of antinatalist views. While acknowledging some philosophical merit, they criticize the bomber’s violent approach. “But he is the most empathetic human on the planet. He’s a little bit dark, cloudy for my taste,” Holmberg reflects ([26:32]).
• Mental Health Concerns: There's an underlying discussion on the bomber’s mental state, suggesting that extreme depression and nihilism may have driven him to commit such an act. “He’s got some psychological crazy going on there,” Holmberg comments ([30:02]).
• Broader Implications: The episode touches on the potential rise of antinatalist movements influencing others, posing questions about societal impacts. “Now that he’s out there, I bet there’s going to be a bunch of… antinatalists who think the baby never had a choice,” Holmberg warns ([20:38]).

Notable Quote:

“Bringing something into this world that inevitably is going to suffer and die isn't fair to that thing.”
— John Holmberg [21:19]

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3. Mexican Navy's Flagpole Sitter Incident

Timestamp Highlights:

• [20:00] John Holmberg: Briefly mentions the Mexican Navy needing a flagpole sitter.
• [41:22] John Holmberg & Bret Vesely: Discuss historical flagpole sitting and its dangers.
• [46:57] Bret Vesely: Connects the discussion to a local flagpole sitting record.

Summary: In a lighter yet intriguing segment, Holmberg and his co-hosts delve into the peculiar tradition of flagpole sitting, particularly in the context of the Mexican Navy needing a flagpole sitter to spot a bridge. They explore the dangers and historical anecdotes related to this practice.

Key Points:

• Historical Practice: The hosts reminisce about flagpole sitting as a form of endurance and spectacle, highlighting its risks. Holmberg notes, “There was a dude sitting on top of that Mexican navy ship going bridge, that’s all it would have taken” ([47:04]).
• Accidents and Risks: They recount incidents where flagpole sitters have fallen or been injured, emphasizing the physical dangers involved. “I remember when the flagpole broke… he died,” Holmberg mentions ([46:02]).
• Cultural Impact: The discussion touches on how flagpole sitting was perceived in different eras, often linked to notions of toughness and spectacle. “They were entertaining because our ancestors were really dumb and easily entertained,” Holmberg jokes ([42:47]).
• Local Records: Brett Vesely brings up a local record holder from Phoenix who broke a flagpole sitting record in Boston during the 1970s, adding a personal connection to the story ([46:50]).

Notable Quote:

“We are the first that I’m gonna go ahead and say that we… Keep it up pretty quick.”
— John Holmberg [42:47]

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4. Additional Discussions and Banter

Timestamp Highlights:

• Throughout the Episode: Various interjections, humorous exchanges, and tangents related to personal anecdotes and opinions.
• [27:23] John Holmberg: Engages in a humorous discourse on sperm and egg interactions, tying it back to the antinatalist conversation.
• [39:42] Brett Vesely & John Holmberg: Share lighthearted banter about children’s complaints and existential statements.

Summary: Beyond the main topics, the hosts engage in lively banter and share personal stories, adding humor and relatability to the episode. They discuss everything from the mechanics of human reproduction in a playful manner to nostalgic memories of school and friendships.

Key Points:

• Philosophical Humor: Holmberg uses humor to dissect complex topics like antinatalism, making the conversation accessible and entertaining. For instance, he muses, “If you want to make friends, I got to pay you guys,” blending humor with philosophical inquiry ([27:21]).
• Personal Anecdotes: The hosts share memories of their younger days, including experiences at restaurants and dealing with friendships, grounding the discussion in personal context.
• Listener Engagement: The show maintains an interactive tone, addressing hypothetical scenarios and engaging with hypothetical listener questions, fostering a sense of community.

Notable Quote:

“We don't know when or how. Are you willing to do that? I might tell the… I might not sign that paper if I was an embryo.”
— John Holmberg [33:33]

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Conclusion

This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness masterfully blends nostalgia with serious contemporary issues, offering listeners both entertaining anecdotes and thoughtful discussions. From sincere apologies for past indulgences to dissecting the troubling philosophy of antinatalism, the hosts provide a comprehensive and engaging narrative that resonates with a diverse Arizona audience.

Overall Notable Quote:

“If you went to the grocery store and saw a steak, and next to it was another steak, and one steak was ten dollars, and one steak was eight cents, you'd ask questions...”
— John Holmberg [09:10]

This quote encapsulates the show's ability to intertwine personal stories with broader societal observations, making it a must-listen for those seeking both entertainment and insight.

Transcript

[Brett Vesely]

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[Unknown]

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[John Holmberg]

Still streaming. Homberg's Morning Sickness online at 98kupd.com thank you Miles to Nowhere. Katie and the Hobbs are our Wake up song. Our actual theme song. Actually. Monday's here another glorious weekend. We got Memorial Day weekend right around the corner to celebrate, you know, all the military achievements and things like that and the loss of people And Mexican navy's gonna be out in New York. I don't know what they're doing. They're helping out all the great navies of the world like Estonia and Afghanistan and Mongolia. They're bringing their navy ships over. What a fleet. This guy says. You know, you say you want to have us send over the first thing we hear when we turn you on in the morning? This is what I heard. Turn the radio on that says I first. First words I hear is, I'll be better off or the world will be better off dead if my butthole falls out. Dolores. Thanks, Dolores. Steve, Guy said you talked about wings back in the day. Remember Native New Yorkers, 10 cent wings.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Crush those. Oh. Used to get 50 wings and a pitcher of beer and I'm healthy as a horse. But we didn't even get the beer because we were in high school when that was going on. Native New Yorker on university, 10 cent wings. And they moved it to just Wednesdays. We'd leave school immediately when the last class was over and fly to university and sit in that packed house of cheap people. I would have seven or eight bucks to my name and I would go get one. I know. And I just think back of the server, 70 wings, I would get 60. So I'd have a tip, it was six bucks and then my Coke. So I'd have like seven or eight bucks. I would. I would spend every penny of it and feel fine about it. But the wings weren't very big. But 10 cent wings, they were. I mean, it was a slew of people in high school and early college. I don't know if native New Yorker made money or not. I don't know how they did. And then they moved into 10 cent popcorn shrimp night.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It wasn't nearly as popular because it was breaded and it was heavy. It was awful. But anything for 10 cents. We all showed up. And all I can think about now is I probably ate as much feces and human than Brady did ordering grilled cheeses over at that McDonald's. No way. The servers went to work Happy on Wednesday 10 cent wings night and saw a bunch of high school kids come in with dollar bills just crammed in their hands. It's like I got money and the whole bill. Like nine of us sitting at a table, the whole thing. Maybe like 17 bucks.

[Unknown]

That's crazy, man. The volume of wings. They're turning out stuff that not all the way cooked.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, we gotta pull them, Gotta pull them. Didn't matter. Yeah. And they were Just putting wings in a huge vat and then the servers would just go hand pull them out. There's no way they were doing it to order. That was a massive bucket in the kitchen that was just keep frying wings and dumping them in this bucket. Oh, I remember once, I think it's Chad. Dude named Chad was there and he got like 18 wings. He had like $2, like 18 wings and then a Coke and the lady brought out like 27 wings. Like they screwed up my order. We were in heaven. Like, this was. This was a dollar freebie. Oh, it was the best day ever.

[Brett Vesely]

But yeah, these are like a buck a piece.

[John Holmberg]

I know. But at least. And also, I'm sorry, this. It's time for me to go. This is like me being an AA member. I need to go back to apologize to all. You know who else needs to the a. The native New Yorker now. Just native native New Yorker in their 10 cent wing nights back in the late 80s, early 90s. And also the Olive Garden waiters that we abused for salad and soup day. I didn't ever eat the soups. Selling breadsticks. Oh my God. And I didn't even want it. But they'd bring like never ending salads and then that wedding soup or whatever they're serving everybody. And you just went in there, it was packed one in the afternoon. And every server realized that they're going to get 12 to $15 per table and get tipped accordingly on that. Like we should have tipped them like we were at stake 44. It should have been 30 bucks for a bill for a party of 10. And they're just running left.

[Unknown]

They're making 20 trips.

[John Holmberg]

They're making 100 trips to each table. They should have. That's the only time waiters should have gotten like 200% tips. But we didn't. Bunch of pricks. Oh, I'm so sorry. If you were a waiter at native New Yorker, I can't imagine the management and the turnover at that place and how many times in the kitchen just say this. I quit. Like every Wednesday. You'd lose somebody. You had to.

[Unknown]

You had to do it every other week on a Wednesday.

[John Holmberg]

Every. Well, Wednesday, Yeah. You were forced to work one. I'm not working Wednesdays. Yes, you are or you don't work here. God damn. 10 cent wings.

[Brett Vesely]

And it was nothing but high school kids and all. It was college kids.

[John Holmberg]

Just.

[Brett Vesely]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You catered to the poor for your business in the worst way ever. And like ultra poor. They would let you get. I think the limit was six. You have to have at least 60 cents, two quarters and a dime. And you're not getting in.

[Brett Vesely]

I think you had to buy a drink too. If I'm not.

[John Holmberg]

And it wasn't like 1880 where 2/4 and a dime. Gotcha. You know, a house 2/4 in the dime was not tough to scrape up. And you know, it wasn't olden days. But you had to get at least six. If you didn't order. Like some people go in there. I'll just have two wings. Like kidney Vukovich went in there. Two wings. Vuk, you gotta get six. I only have 30 cents. You're gonna get a little. Say a little further tip there. Good on you, man. 50% tip. Throwing that dime on the table.

[Unknown]

Tag on to your order. My 30 cents.

[John Holmberg]

And I felt like Rockefeller because I was working. I had money. But I sometimes would blow it all and only have a few bucks and I'd still go. And they. Some. And we were so upset. I remember being upset. They canceled. It was over. And we hit that 25 weeks in a row and they canceled it. And we couldn't figure out why. Because place is packed. I don't understand.

[Brett Vesely]

Couldn't keep any servers.

[John Holmberg]

This place is just. It's. It's constantly packed full of people. What? This is a terrible business move. Meanwhile, the 27 year old manager who started off looking normal but 20 weeks later had the silver hair looked like Anderson Cooper. His life was over.

[Unknown]

I remember when we first started the show. I forget the name of the place, but they were doing the penny wings with a beer. It was a bar promotion. You know, it was like the Thursday night. It was down in Tempe.

[John Holmberg]

Huh. I remember that. Pinkies? No.

[Unknown]

Oh. Was it Chewy's? Was it?

[John Holmberg]

I don't know. You're telling the story.

[Unknown]

Eric used to go there every Wednesday. Penny penny wins.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not doing that. Pennies? No. There's gonna be somebody's period in that. That's not. That's not red sauce. Nobody's. You're eating after birth. And anything Planned Parenthood throws away. Those people are not. There's no possible way. The health. You imagine the dirty dining guy going into the native New Yorker on a Wednesday Dime night. Or penny wing night at Brady's place. Forget it. Nobody is following standards if they're charging a penny a wing. Oh, I had that rule years and years and years ago.

[Unknown]

20 wings. Washed a little wet. T shirt contest.

[John Holmberg]

Right? Roll out. That was a good night. I spent 18 cents. I tipped her a dollar that's like heavy crazy. I couldn't do it, man. That's gross.

[Dick Toledo]

I think you're talking about margarita rocks.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Dick Toledo]

And anybody who actually ate food in that place. Because that's it.

[Unknown]

They did that.

[Dick Toledo]

And they had a taco bar for a little while too on the wet T shirt nights.

[John Holmberg]

That's.

[Dick Toledo]

And it was right out in front of everybody on the dance floor.

[John Holmberg]

An exposed taco bar. Yes.

[Unknown]

Nickel tacos or something like that.

[Dick Toledo]

Salsa and chips and everything. Went to full nine for a little.

[Brett Vesely]

Bit sour cream taco buffet.

[Unknown]

Now get up there in your T shirt, baby.

[John Holmberg]

Herp.

[Dick Toledo]

That's right.

[John Holmberg]

No herp.

[Dick Toledo]

And all they won was. Oh, I think they won 50 bucks.

[Unknown]

For the T shirt.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's thousands and thousands of meals.

[Unknown]

Tell me wings that.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, herpes. Oh, I can't think. I just mentally pictured the build your own taco bar one time for a penny.

[Dick Toledo]

Remember they had the upper deck where you could look down on the.

[John Holmberg]

I'd rather eat an upper decker than that.

[Dick Toledo]

Wait till you watch. Wait till you watch a girl yak off the top of that thing and.

[John Holmberg]

You'Re still getting there with your taco food into the.

[Unknown]

What's that?

[John Holmberg]

That's guac. I don't know. That's some sort of a weird bean guac. Gross. Well, that's barf worthy there. That's horrifying. Anyway, my apologies. I've never done it. It's time. And I hope. I doubt any of them are still alive. They all probably killed themselves or had some sort of stress related death in their 30s. And they can all relate back to why, and it was because they did time as a native New Yorker. Wednesday. Waiter. I have a solid, strict rule. And this started when I worked at Tony Roma's back in the day. I will not eat at a place with writing on the windows. I won't do it. I won't do it the second there's paint on the windows. I know for a fact they are paying the kitchen staff bar bare minimum. Nobody in there is a high end anything. They got a guy who will do it, not a guy who's qualified to do it. That's the difference.

[Unknown]

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[Unknown]

You're not going in there for that fish fry Friday.

[John Holmberg]

I am not going anywhere where they have hired someone to paint a deal on a window. Kids eat free. That's already telling me there's kids in there. I'm out on that. But when you do a special and paint it on the window gonzo because that tells me that the chef is a dude who said sure, I guess I'll try that. He's not a guy who's qualified. He's just a dude who took the gig and more than likely learned his skills while incarcerated. That's my guess.

[Brett Vesely]

Did you guys do that?

[John Holmberg]

Romas the day we painted 7952 for 1 half slab. It was a huge like book. Gigantic. 795 half slab, 2 4, 1. Ah, poor zombies just came out of the woodwork.

[Unknown]

This is the end.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And you know what started to happen? Our qualified employees started to leave. They started to go get jobs at places where, like, I'm actually. I'm a culinary person. I cook.

[Brett Vesely]

The Chris Valenzuela's left?

[John Holmberg]

No, the Chris Valenzuela stayed for a while because they could do mass. They did volume. They understood Penny Foods. But there was a dude named Tony there who was actually super qualified and being looked at by corporate headquarters as, like, a quality control guy that would travel around all the Tony Romas and, like, tell people, this is how it goes. 795 painted on our window. Tony was gone. I think he ended up working at, like, Red Robin or something. He just wanted out. Everybody left. And then you go back in the kitchen and you're like, who's this guy? He's the new kitchen manager. He. He looks kind of filthy. Like, shouldn't our kitchen manager have a shirt on? I think that's a pretty sure. You're supposed to wear a shirt while you're cooking in a restaurant. Not anymore. We're a two for one place. It was horrible. Paint on windows. Restaurants beware.

[Brett Vesely]

I think Groupon is the new paint on windows.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, do they still do it?

[Brett Vesely]

Groupon?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It is still a thing. No kidding. Yeah. I don't even. I didn't even know that. I just knew it was kind of a passing fancy.

[Brett Vesely]

After you put the kibosh on, I.

[John Holmberg]

Put the kibosh on the Groupon. We were going to restaurants. These restaurants, we would never try normally. There's a reason. Because it tastes like there's band aids in my talk.

[Brett Vesely]

I know. I had to go a few times.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Oh, I know. You were with me on that one.

[Brett Vesely]

A stack of Groupons.

[John Holmberg]

Like, oh, Christ, we had a Groupon drawer because of your ex wife.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, I. Hey, I blame her for a lot, including that.

[John Holmberg]

That's a big one. Had the roles been reversed. There been no marriage on my end. That's for damn sure. You're forcing other people to buy into these groupons to force date night. So Brett and I have to sit and talk about nothing while we eat Band aid tacos for $2? I have a job, you know, can afford meals. These are too good to pass up. Dinner for four for $28. I'm not going there. $7 is not a reasonable. That's too low. There is such a thing as too low. Of. If you went to the grocery store and saw a steak, and next to it was another steak, and one steak was ten dollars, and one steak was eight cents, you'd ask questions for, how come this one's eight cents? Oh, it's From a different supplier. I'll take the ten dollar steak. I'm not trusting that eight cents. There's too low a price. Anyway. Sorry. Native New Yorker. And I'm sorry to I didn't frequent it as much. But the Olive Garden people deserve an apology for that all you can eat wings, salad and soup thing you were doing. It's kind of your own fault. But you did get treated like garbage. And it's not fair for the tips. We should have. There should have been a mandatory twenty dollar tip on that. Had to. Quitting. We were there that one time. The waiter quit while we were. Because our boss, Chuck wouldn't leave him alone. He was the worst waiter I've ever seen in my life. But he was at his wits end. And Chuck was pounding his fork and knife into the table. Where is Dwight? Where? Oh, he. It was awful. It was mob rule. It was so bad in there that day. And you know it was bad because there was trash on the floor and nobody was even thinking about picking it up. The place Nick lost. Nick, the world's worst waiter. It lost control so bad that Nick quit in the middle of his shift and then wrote us a letter.

[Brett Vesely]

What?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, because we talked about him the next day as Nick, the world's worst waiter. And we. He knew we worked at KUPD and he wrote us a letter saying that we were the scum of the earth for even wanting to up free soups and salads and breadsticks. And the old man at our table was a. And all this. It was bad. Nick wrote a long letter.

[Unknown]

I was in the weeds, bro.

[John Holmberg]

It wasn't in the weeds. His life was over. It was more than just. I'm a little busy. The dude was gonna kill himself or everyone else.

[Brett Vesely]

Did you let Chuck read that email?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, we read it on the air. Oh, nice. It was like Chuck did this. Chuck was horrible. God damn it. What's taking so goddamn long? Chuck, this place is packed full of people who want free soup and breadsticks. And he just told us they're running low on breadsticks. Well, that's just bad management. You've got to be prepared. You're giving away goddamn breadsticks for free. Have extra. You dumb.

[Unknown]

Had to go back once or twice to add a little more tip money on there afterwards.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Oh yeah, he would. He'd do 10% of breadsticks. Oh, that's a $3 bill. That's good. 30 cent tip. You're welcome. Now we go back and give a guy 10 bucks. Sorry about that. He's old. You know, Nick, you might be the least qualified. You should think about another profession. And Nick just quit, you old man. And he walked out.

[Unknown]

Denise?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah? I'm gonna take over. Nick's taking a break from living. Oh, good. You know, I gotta tell you, Denise, that Nick is a terrible waiter. Horrible. Now make with the soups and breadsticks. We're on round five.

[Unknown]

I'll be back. I got a hundred top on my other ones to take care.

[John Holmberg]

And that was the worst part. Another slew of human beings coming in full office buildings. The boss. I'm gonna take everybody out for lunch today. And he'd take 30 people. And they were sitting all around. Nobody was happy. Sorry, Nick. Sorry. Everybody at Olive Garden. Terrible.

[Unknown]

So much volume weigh on breadsticked meat.

[John Holmberg]

Telling you we were a cooler society back then. Because nowadays somebody would have blown that place up or done something terrible. That was back when people just quit and left and like, took it out on somebody else. Individually, not a whole group of people. Nowadays, that happens. Nick's running a truck through the center of Olive Garden. And we probably would have deserved it the way we were treating him. You could understand why he snapped. Speaking of snap, did you see the dude that blew up the fertility clinic in California this weekend? This is new. He's.

[Unknown]

He's a manifesto.

[John Holmberg]

Well, he's a. He's an antinatalist, I think they called it. He's against all pregnancy. Because you didn't ask. Like the kid. It takes the whole thing. I didn't ask to be here. That every kid in every country, in every hut or house in the world has ever said when they're in trouble with their parents. Well, I didn't even ask to be here. It consent from the embryo. The baby did not give consent to be born. So he's an antinatalist. And he blew up a fertility clinic. Blew himself up. Which is, I guess, good.

[Brett Vesely]

Imagine telling Dan that I didn't ask to be here.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I did. Once.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, really?

[John Holmberg]

Once. One time.

[Brett Vesely]

Kurt Veslie. I could take care of that right now. Then, no problem.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, my dad said that I brought you into this world, I could take you out. He's one of those. But I. Yeah, every kid has thrown the. You guys are jerks. You know, it's not fair because I didn't ask to be here. That's the dumbest thing kids say. But every kid said it. This guy did it in 29 Palms, California. He's. I've never heard of it. Anti Pro Life, which Does not make him pro choice. He's anti pro life, which means he doesn't think it's fair that anyone has a baby because the baby never had a choice. It's the strangest thing I've ever as a targeted attack against an IVF facility and they're going to look into injured four people, which is good that they only got injured, that they weren't killed. He was. He's dead. But it's the first I'm hearing of it. And the worst thing is, is now it's a thing. Now there's going to be other people out there who have that stupid kid mentality of I didn't ask to be here. No baby asks to be here. And now there's a movement against that. So he's against in vitro fertilization because it's not. He's against all pregnancy. It was the weirdest thing I've ever read. Like, it's. And there's.

[Unknown]

I thought it might have been more the IVF thing.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's a big one. Yeah, that's huge because that's forcing it. But like pregnant, he's against it all. Like, he doesn't think that making babies is. All pregnancies are awful because there's a thing inside there that, that you are giving life to. And it basically is like as I read their. Their platform, which is essentially saying bringing something into this world that inevitably is going to suffer and die isn't fair to that thing. Which when you read that, you're like, hey, that's kind of true. Except for that's crazy. I'm against kids like anybody else, but just for me, anybody else wants to poke them out and ruin their lives, that's fine. But yeah, it's a. It's a very strange real thing. And the kid was only 25. I don't know how you can get that mad at like, life has to beat you down pretty good. There's no chance. Like, he couldn't. All he did was he was depressed. This world is just. Is terrible. You're bringing people into have great suffering, heartache, emotional stress, damage, all this. Nothing is good at all. All things are bad and even the good things aren't good enough. And nobody asked to be here, so stop it. And he tried to blow up a fertility clinic because of it. Anti natalist, which I didn't know you could be. Like, he's standing up for the embryos final. Oh, he blew himself up. Right. It's even better.

[Brett Vesely]

Good.

[John Holmberg]

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[Unknown]

It's movement.

[John Holmberg]

Well, is he. I mean, he's kind of right and he might be so deep.

[Unknown]

But I think you're.

[John Holmberg]

That he overthought it to the point of being. He's just dark depression. Oh, he's Down. Yeah, he's a down kid. This guy says antinatalist, and he's wrong. Sperm instinctually travel to the egg almost like it wanted to be born. What a jerk. That's true. If you get into the. If you want to get that deep into saving the embryo at conception, then you have to kill all the sperm because they have, like, one job. I'll leave it to the egg. It's a typical woman. It just sits there. It's not doing much. The man sperm struggles, fights, does all the dangerous stuff, ends up popping the egg, making it work, while the egg just sat there and did literally nothing.

[Unknown]

It had to get released first.

[John Holmberg]

At least it left. It left its last guy and started hosing some new sperms and just sat there. It left one place being lazy and hit another one, and then boom, the sperms hit it. But he's right. If you want to get into that now, you got to get into the makeup of sperm and their desire to want to be human and the whole.

[Unknown]

When I met the release, I met the actual egg, too. The egg is put out there.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but the egg is not put. The eggs put out there to just sit around. Sperms are released, going, we're gonna make a baby. Like, they charge some. The egg. If the egg wanted to make babies.

[Unknown]

That'S the reason why the egg is put out.

[John Holmberg]

I know, but it would meet in the middle. If the. The egg would run towards it, they would have, like, super cloudy. The egg just sits there and plays koi. Not you. Yuck. And there's all sorts of spermicide around her. Like, you have to fight through her force field. It's like Han Solo hoping the tractor beams down. She puts out all sorts of things to protect her against this. And, like, she's not. She's making it really difficult. Why?

[Unknown]

We're the pursuer.

[John Holmberg]

Right? Which is why we're the man. We're doing the work. Sure.

[Brett Vesely]

That old man got that tragedy.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. They got locks on doors. They got all sorts of stuff that stops the sperms. And then the strongest one, and it's all designed to get the richest, strongest one shows up. Bam. I'm the bad mother. Got in this egg. I didn't do anything. That's right. Now get to work. And now she has to nurture and all that. When you look at it from that perspective, it's true. Sperms have a desire to be born, period. End of story. So the antinatalist is kind of. You know, it gets philosophical at that point when you start going, it's deep.

[Unknown]

Wish we could have been there earlier to explain that to him.

[John Holmberg]

Basically what he wanted was more money shots. And I think porn is to blame. Blame for that. It's like, he's like, why would you put it in there when you could?

[Brett Vesely]

I agree with him, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not one of those. But I mean, I agree with him on that. On that point.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Not to say antinatalists have all bad ideas. Yeah. You just take it too far. In a weird way, I am antinatalist. Like, I don't think I ever think sperms belong in eggs. That's disgusting. I like maybe a little hot sauce, but no sperms. Salt, pepper, hot sauce. That's good on eggs. Sperms.

[Brett Vesely]

Crandall wants to know if that bomber was actually Nick the waiter years later.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, in a cruel twist, one of the waiters we mistreated at the Garden had. Had it. Why would anybody bring someone into this world? Oh, you can eat soup and breadsticks, you cheap sons of bitches.

[Brett Vesely]

Some old man, fork and knife.

[John Holmberg]

Just brought me here to suffer and die. Now this one says anyone who is antinatalist should be forced to work on a Mexican navy ship and give them something else to be pissed about. Oh, well, there's suffering there too. You never know when it's gonna end. But that's somebody who doesn't understand how to cope with the inevitabilities of dying. And it's probably all encompassing every single day that today might be your last and today might be your last. There's some psychological crazy going on there. But it's not just him. This is just the first time any of us have heard of antinatalists. It's a thing they have. They have paperwork and website stuff says, how can the embryo ever give consent? What if it wants to consent? It's kind of bold of him to assume it doesn't. That's true too. Maybe an embryo would answer the question with, heck yeah. Love to be people. So he wants the embryo to sign an NDA saying, look, you know, you know what's gonna. It's like a. Like a freak out, a freak off. You know, when you get here, things are gonna get weird. Like when you come out of the hole and already, I'm telling you right now, your. Your next nine months are a journey in themselves. And then you pop out of a woman's genitals. I know. It's alien weird crap. And then the real fun begins. And then you just. You go along and you take your chances every day. And you die someday. We don't know when or how. Are you willing to do that? I might tell the. I might not sign that paper if I was an embryo. Be like, explain this again. You're gonna live in here for nine months. Pretty good. Depends on what your mom's up to. Hopefully she's not a smoker or a drinker. Then you're just gonna tumble out of her. How? Her vagina, which is just about the size of three fingers across a good one. That thing's gonna open up to great gaps. You're gonna cause immense pain. You're gonna fall out of this lady. She'll never be the same again, by the way. Her husband will say it is, but he's gonna leave in a couple. He's never. It's never ever the same again, ever. And maybe she'll have a C section, but that's just a woman failing at being a woman. We all saw the meme.

[Unknown]

Oh.

[John Holmberg]

And then try to keep straight.

[Unknown]

When you're coming out.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Don't fall up. Don't fall up. That's like one of the worst things you can do. It's not. You're not. You're not scoring points. There's no judges. Just javelin your way out of this thing. I know you don't know what a javelin is yet, but here, sign here. And promise me you're going head first, too, because otherwise. Otherwise she's got to have a hand in her to spin you around. Head first, brother. All right. And then you're human and you're out. And about 80 years are gonna pass, and then you're inevitably gonna get something terrible. It's gonna start eating your bones and you're gonna die probably in your own feces. Yen, what's gonna happen in between that? Sign me up the board. The birth and the ending. Oh. You're gonna meet tons of people and it's. A lot of them are gonna disappoint you. Like, it's not gonna be great. And then you probably have a neighbor that won't leave you alone. You're going to want to move. Then there's going to be a couple other things that go under work. You're going to hate pretty much 80% of the people at work.

[Unknown]

You're going to get sick at a couple of 10 cent rignites.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You're going to be poor for a while. That happens to all of us. And more than likely, you're going to go through a few medical procedures. It's not good. None of it's good, but do you want in or out? I don't want to do this. Like, I think if I. Like, in hindsight, I'd be like, I don't know.

[Unknown]

It's just like I was saying that when you join a fraternity, if you knew what you had to do.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but it's like, you have no idea. That's the point. And then afterwards, you're like, you had a choice. I would not have done that. Fraternity things like, wait a minute. In order to have friends, I got to pay you guys? You treat me like garbage for a while, huh? Okay, I'll go find better friends. You're a bunch of lunkheads. I'm done with you. Imagine that. I ended up with friends anyway. It was incredible. Never once did I have to get blindfolded with a thumb up my ass eating Limburger cheese just to make friends. It's strange, but some people like it. Oh, also, there's a chance here that none of this goes right while you're in the lady and you got something called mental retardation. And that's the thing. We're like, you're gonna be, oh, good news about that is you probably only live to be, like, 40. So most of the suffering is while you're alive, but it ends fast. You cool with that? Spina bifida, sids. Are you interested? What are the benefits? Oh, you could have a glorious life. Like, 3% of people have really good ones. Geez, maybe I am anti nihilist. Natalist. I think I'd be all right, like, signing up, knowing what I know now, and do this. This. All right. It's kind of fun. Let's see how it ends. But I think if you certain people's lives, I wouldn't have done it. No way. I guess a good majority of people I'd meet be like, nah, if I had it to do over again, I'd have told the lawyers in the womb, I'm not interested. Just, let's terminate this. I'm antinatalist. Like als Matt.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, would he sign the NDA going in? I'd do this all over again.

[Brett Vesely]

Not me or Brady's Kenny Loggins guy from.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah, that lump of cake batter with a head.

[Brett Vesely]

Where do I sign that dude?

[John Holmberg]

You telling me he's antinatalist or not antinatalist? If that dude could squid over snail over to a fertility clinic, you know, he'd blow himself up, too.

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[Brett Vesely]

I never heard of it till now.

[John Holmberg]

Me neither. Caleb. You think Caleb gets the the, you know, little warning in the womb? Here's how it's gonna go for you. Oh no thank you.

[Brett Vesely]

You're gonna be hawking adorable blankets for the rest of your life.

[John Holmberg]

You're gonna be in a chair. If the wind blows hard, your bone shatter.

[Unknown]

He's good at that.

[John Holmberg]

He is. Oh, he's great at that. He's made lemonade out of it. But for every Caleb, there's like all of the other ones that hate it. I guarantee if you gave Caleb the chance, you want to go to the he goes on TV bragging about his 219 surgeries. Once the air conditioner came on, my arms shattered like glass. Like, why? It was a little heavy breeze. Jesus Christ. You like this? Nope. I'm always cold. He can't even have the adorable blanket on Him. It's too heavy. It smashes his ribs. My brittle bones can't have this heavy, adorable blanket. Anyway, antinatalist. That's the thing. Get used to it. Get used to it, because now that it's happened once, the news is going to look at this like I did and say, what the hell is this? This is a thing. Sure is. I don't know. They got a lot of them, but now that it's out there, I bet you there's going to be a bunch of. Look, there's jackasses who are for Hamas on our college campuses. They didn't even know where it was before all this. You tell them about antinatalism, they're gonna lose their minds going, yeah, that's right. The baby never had a choice. Oh, no, you're those. Did you ever throw that at Bunny and Torp at any point? I didn't ask to be here. I guarantee you. Kirby said it. It's your fault. I ask Ronnie. Maybe not to you, but I guarantee every kid says that.

[Brett Vesely]

Why would Kirby say that? Anything Kirby wants, Kirby gets. No way.

[John Holmberg]

That's for a while there when sent her to public school and she lost her mind for a second. I guarantee you Ronnie heard it. I didn't ask to be here.

[Unknown]

She cried her way back.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I'm sure. In tears was the phrase. I didn't even. I have. I didn't ask to be here. Every kid tries that. They think it's an original. I didn't. You didn't try it?

[Brett Vesely]

No, I knew better. I knew better.

[John Holmberg]

I heard it from other people, everybody.

[Brett Vesely]

No, I didn't.

[John Holmberg]

I guarantee you. You're forgetting at one point when you were like, this isn't fair. These are jerks. I didn't ask to be here. Every kid's done it. And it's the dumbest thing kids do. And we think we're, you know, Marcus Aurelius. We think of philosophers when we come up with it like it's an original thought. This dude took it into his 20s. Whoever has to be here, I'm an antinatalist. It'll be a movie, and then everybody's gonna know anyway. At 7:25, let's get a wake up song.

[Brett Vesely]

Let's do that.

[John Holmberg]

5, 8, 5, 9, 800. We're still here. We're alive, making the most of this inevitable trip down the lane of time, the inevitable march of the bitch called time that sends us to our dirty grave. But while we're here, let's have some fun.

[Unknown]

You jerk.

[John Holmberg]

Bert what do you got?

[Brett Vesely]

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[John Holmberg]

We're doing Harvey Danger. There's no reason to go on. Why wouldn't we. We the flag pole sitter up in the mast. Now that dude, that flag pole sitting wasn't on a. On a boat, but it would have worked in this particular case. And I just want to hear Weird Time. That was a game they played in the 20s. They sit on flag poles for days. And you know what? I never read about when flagpole said it came out. I worked at the radio station that played this song a lot and love it or hate it, it's catchy. You can't help. You can't help it. We did it for Night of the Singing Dead last year.

[Brett Vesely]

Did somebody die in that band?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we found a guy, he fell off a flagpole.

[Brett Vesely]

The roadie died or something.

[John Holmberg]

Somebody died. And we're like, hey, that's why. That's a fun one. The crowd just goes bananas. It's a dopey, fun song. But I remember when it came out, I'm like, what is a flagpole set up? Because we all thought that was a reference to homosexuality. That was what our guess was. And this was right around when the Internet got going. So all the info wasn't there. So you had to rely on what the band said. And then there's pictures of guys just sitting on flagpoles like, that's it.

[Unknown]

And they put a chair on the top.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, they would have a chair on top of it. And the flag pulls a ball and he'd just sit up there like balancing for days. And people were entertained by that because our ancestors were really dumb and easily entertained. Like a. Like we are the first that I'm gonna go ahead and say that we.

[Unknown]

Keep it up pretty quick.

[John Holmberg]

No, we're dumb. We're dumb.

[Unknown]

Challenges.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we're pretty dumb. I'll say. The last two generations are the only ones that have had their wits about them prior to that. Everybody was probably would test as retarded in today's modern era. My grandparents were. I think my dogs might be a little smarter than my grandparents. I think they've had better exposure to the world than. Yeah, my grandparents. They just. They weren't my. Especially the ones from Sweden. They were singular focused worker bees. Not a lot of interest outside of their little circle. They were dumb people. Simple, they called it back then. It's a simple. They're a simple people. Simple. No, they were just dumb. It was a simpler way of life because they were too stupid to have any complex ways of life. Any complexities that came Alvar's way, whether he just starts swinging, start hitting stuff.

[Unknown]

And it wasn't simple as far as that.

[John Holmberg]

Well, it was. It was physically demanding simplicity. Yeah. But it was basically lift this heavy thing and put it over there. They were strong, but they were dumb. You know who else gets described that way? Down syndrome. That's my grandparents. I'm not, you know, I'm not wrong. I'm not a scientist, but that's. You can't argue that. If they weren't, they'd be in their own. They'd be in all the normal classes. Now my grandpa had a sixth grade education and they're like, you don't need this. Pick some stuff up and move it over there. And he started doing that with polio. Had one good orange, the flagpole. Said it was kind of thing. And I never once read about a guy who fell off. And there had to be ludles of them. Yeah, but they always had the successful stories and then the pictures of the guy sitting on top. They never had the dudes who fell off the flagpoles. And there was no practice. Like dudes would just shimmy up that thing and say, today's the day I'm gonna be a flagpole set up. It's a catchy little number though, I'll tell you that. Yeah. Heck yeah.

[Brett Vesely]

All right.

[John Holmberg]

Harvey Danger. It's also a great van name because.

[Brett Vesely]

This was in American Pie. Right. I think that's where the song really got popular.

[John Holmberg]

Probably Most of the 90s good stuff was in that movie. Including Tara Reid, who's now so goofy looking that when they put. When she posts stuff, it only lasts a couple minutes before it's taken down. Because everybody goes, what happened? She gets Very upset when people ask what happened, but she keeps showing us. And the thing that happened is 26 years. You want to see American Pie? Tara read. And you haven't seen much of her other than Sharknado. You haven't seen much of Tara Reid in those 27 years. So you tack 27 years on in a day, and you're gonna ask what happened? Like, if you haven't seen me for 27 years and you see me today, it's not good, but it's close. A woman. It's not. It's not fair. It's not fair.

[Unknown]

I just asked how many people died. Flagpole sitting says it's unknown, but it went competition in the 20s all the way up to the 70s. The most documented one was 1974. Richard Dixie Blandy, who died and the collapse underneath him. The flagpole did.

[John Holmberg]

He was so heavy, the flagpole broke.

[Unknown]

Yeah. It looks like the big was this beast.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. How does a flagpole break in the 70s? Was it made of wicker? You had a pier one. That's not a flagpole. That's a stick.

[Unknown]

He chose poorly.

[John Holmberg]

I'm climbing that and I'm sitting on it. I wouldn't do that. That's made of balsa wood. You're too heavy, Richard. I'm doing it. My name isn't. Whatever it is. There he is sitting up on top of a stick in the middle of, like, an oil field. Like, it's never in a city. Like, where is he?

[Unknown]

That's in the city.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, is it? It looked like just a slew of just whatever, bf. Hold on.

[Unknown]

I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

That's. I don't want bs.

[Brett Vesely]

Well, that's a flagpole sitter right there.

[Unknown]

Best friend we know.

[Brett Vesely]

Is that what you're going with?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I'm gonna go. Option B is worse. Wow.

[Unknown]

This was in that said it was in the 70s. The Phoenix man who broke the flagpole sitting record.

[John Holmberg]

There you go, kid. Wow.

[Brett Vesely]

We're number one again.

[John Holmberg]

This was a dusty desert town for rubes up until, like, 1998. I'm guessing prior to that, Wallace and Ladmo were popular. It was a. It was a redneck hillbilly town for slow desert kids, which is why they all thought Pat McMahon was hilarious. They could keep up with it. Somewhere in the 80s, things started to change a little. The 90s, we became metropolitan in the late 90s. We're like, this is an actual town of human beings. We all grew up in it. Brett, you were here.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

This was a rude town. It was a really weird city.

[Unknown]

Looks like he's from Phoenix, but he did it in Boston.

[John Holmberg]

Ah, good. He was traveling. Flagpole set up anyway. Well, I like it. It's Harvey Danger. And we're thinking about if there was a dude sitting on top of that Mexican navy ship going bridge, that's all it would have taken. We needed a flagpole setter on there. And I'd like some video of some of the failed flagpole sitters if we ever get a chance. This came out in 97, right before Phoenix became a real thing. It's Harvey Danger. It's your wake up song. And you did this to yourselves. It's 98, Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. He said fully erect.

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