11-19-25 - Perfect Fall Rainy Weather Morning Has Us Remembering Tossing Water Balloons At Local Weather People - Congress Votes To Release The Epstein Files But We're Skeptical Anything New Will Come To Light

Summary

Holmberg’s Morning Sickness — Episode Summary

Date: November 19, 2025
Episode Title: Perfect Fall Rainy Weather Morning Has Us Remembering Tossing Water Balloons At Local Weather People — Congress Votes To Release The Epstein Files But We're Skeptical Anything New Will Come To Light
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Brett Vesely, Dick Toledo

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Main Theme & Purpose

This brisk, distinctly Arizona episode opens with the crew delighting in rare, cozy, rainy Phoenix weather and building the show around that lazy, drowsy mood. They riff on local news coverage of inclement weather, recount pranks they used to pull on reporters, and quickly spiral into larger discussions on media truthfulness, public trust, the release of the “Epstein files,” and modern-day mob justice. Beneath the gags and jabs lies genuine skepticism about transparency—whether in politics, media, or personal life in the digital age.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Luxurious Sleepiness of a Rainy Arizona Morning

• [01:35] John admits he’s unusually drowsy, blaming the perfect, damp morning.
  • “Can you call in sleepy? …Whatever you’re doing, don’t be so self-important to think that it can't wait a day. I highly recommend you turn this show off right now and go right back to sleep. Trip, I’m talking to you.” (John, 01:42)
• The group agrees rainy days are “grilled cheese days”—not meant for productivity.
• General encouragement to listeners: “Just lay down right now. Whatever you’re doing, wherever you are, lay down.”

Mockery of Local Weather News Coverage

• [03:54] John lampoons TV news for hyping storm coverage with little substance, standing in floods caused by “just slow drains.”
  • “The reason they're speeding through the puddles is you. They’re trying to splash that guy. ...You’re causing the problem, jackass.” (John, 04:30)
• He suggests TV news could boost ratings with stunts: put reporters in the splash zone and pay out for the best on-camera drenchings.
  • “$5000 to anybody who gets the big drench on one of these guys and wrecks some of our built-in the community.” (John, 06:02)
  • Imagines an app showing real-time reporter locations for drivers to “aim at.”
  • Jokes about doing white T-shirt rain stunts for best ratings.

Memories: Tossing Water Balloons at Lying TV News Crews

• [09:11] John recalls his afternoon radio days, when he'd target TV crews filming in-studio pretending to be at storm locations:
  • “I used to water balloon the—I had water balloons on standby for my afternoon show. And Channel 12 would stand on their roof across the street and go, ‘live from McKellips and Val Vista.’ I’m like, ‘No, he isn’t. He’s right [there].’” (John, 09:17)
  • Calls out specific reporters (Mary Kim Titlow, Seene McLaughlin, Dave Muncie) for misrepresenting locations on-air.
  • When Channel 12's news director complained:
    • “Well, then stop saying you’re somewhere you’re not. I’m proving you guys are fake journalists.” (John, 12:33)
• Discusses the culture of staging “live” news, frustration with media sensationalism.

On Homelessness, Public Policy, and Common Sense

• Frustration with stories on homelessness in the rain when large empty office buildings in Phoenix sit unused:
  • “Am I the smartest person on the planet? …We haven’t used the Chase 48-story building downtown that’s been empty for four years. Put them in there.” (John, 16:23)
  • “If you care, fix it. Because it’s easy. If you don’t, shut up.” (John, 17:33)
• The group riffs that capacity solutions (yoga floors for the homeless?) are met with bureaucracy and misplaced priorities.

The “Epstein Files”: Skepticism Over Political Transparency

• [21:27] Discussion pivots to the congressional vote to release Epstein documents:
  • John’s initial hope is quickly cooled: “I have a feeling, you know, this is just gonna keep going. …Now there are loopholes that make it almost impossible to release [the files]. …So did we just go through this over again for more fluff?” (John, 21:33)
• Comedy about how many people took photos with Epstein; everyone’s potentially tainted by association.
• Key concern raised: outing the innocent.
  • “He’s the one guy that said, I’m not voting to release these. Said it was going to hurt a lot of innocent people.” (John, 23:09)

Digital Dirt & Mob Justice: Private Communication in a Public World

• Contemplation on how releasing “everything” risks harming people for harmless, dumb, or taken-out-of-context remarks.
  • “A billionaire I don’t know that well that’s got an island and a plane… I don’t know Brink’s past. …and then it’s like, we’re going to release all his texts for the last 20 years. …Like that dude in the House was thinking of guys like us.” (John, 23:15)
• Examples: Jon Gruden’s downfall via old emails, or anyone’s private group chats.
• “Our texts are awful. And if one of us went to jail for something and they went through them, all of them. ‘Explain yourself’ is going to definitely be part of it.” (John, 27:29)
• Multiple jokes about scrubbing each other’s phones if legal trouble arises.

Larger Reflections: Who’s Innocent, Who’s Not—And When You Find Out

• Heavy skepticism: do mass document dumps really help victims or just fuel “gotcha” takedowns and cancel culture?
  • “The whole sweater goes away. You’re just looking for pieces of that sweater to go. The whole thing goes away. So I don’t think they’re ever going to release anything.” (John, 41:41)
• Personal anecdotes: knowing or befriending people before their crimes are public.
  • “I was paling around for a whole night with that murderer… I didn’t know what—I’m in pictures with the guy.” (John, 31:48)
  • “I talked with Brian Callan after that lady accused him of sexual assault… I will believe you. But if it turns out you’re lying, you’re screwing me…” (John, 40:46)
• Cites Arthur Blank and Michael Vick as examples of misplaced trust and betrayal.

Political Candor—The ‘Piggy’ Incident

• Jokes about Trump calling a female reporter “Piggy” on TV:
  • “He called the girl a pig on TV and I didn’t get a look at her… Was he right? …Supposed to have some sort of decorum and he didn’t.” (John, 35:11 & 37:32)
  • They muse how Trump’s supporters have embraced a new normal—reflexively blaming the target.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I am still sleeping. There’s this energy you hear is artificial. Nothing about me says go today at all. Not even close.”
  —John Holmberg (01:39)
• “The reason they’re speeding through puddles is you. They’re trying to splash that guy… Get away from the puddles. You’re causing the problem, jackass.”
  —John Holmberg (04:30)
• “I used to water balloon the… I had water balloons on standby for my afternoon show. …I can see that dickhead. If I go outside, he’s standing on the roof.”
  —John Holmberg (09:17)
• “Am I the smartest person on the planet? …We haven’t used the Chase 48-story building downtown that’s been empty for four years. Put them in there.”
  —John Holmberg (16:23)
• “Our texts are awful. And if one of us went to jail for something and they went through them, all of them. Explain yourself is going to definitely be part of it.”
  —John Holmberg (27:29)
• “Be careful with your text. That’s a good day to go back to our regular rule of cleanse. Go through your text today, start the deleting process. Now, that doesn’t matter in a courtroom, but start the deleting process.”
  —John Holmberg (38:41)
• “You may think you are [important], but you’re not. I’m not either. Like, you call in, everybody’s going to be fine. You know, that’s why you can take vacations. They got you covered. I got too much to do. No, you don’t.”
  —John Holmberg (42:57)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:35] — Show proper begins; “perfect stay-in-bed day” mood set.
• [03:54] — Skewering local TV news for storm coverage, reporter splash zone jokes.
• [09:11] — Remembering water ballooning fake-location TV weather reporters.
• [12:30] — News director confrontation; the ethics of live coverage faking.
• [16:23] — Rant: fill empty buildings with the homeless.
• [21:27] — Shifting to Epstein files and skepticism on congressional transparency.
• [23:14] — Releasing “all the files” debate; defending innocents, Gruden example.
• [27:29] — “Our texts are awful” and digital skeletons in everyone’s closet.
• [35:11] — Trump’s “Piggy” incident and America’s shifting standard for public discourse.
• [41:41] — Reflection: “sweater thread” and cost of total transparency in society.

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Tone & Style Notes

• Genuinely irreverent, brisk, and self-deprecating.
• Banter fluctuates between high-energy jokes and sincere social analysis.
• Loosely structured and digressive, yet always circles back to themes of authenticity, skepticism of media and political gamesmanship, and the danger/futility of seeking absolute transparency.
• John Holmberg is blunt, both in humor and critique, giving familiar, candid radio comfort.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This HMS installment is a fast, funny, and just-barely-focused desert-morning ramble built around the joys of a sleepy, rainy Phoenix day. For all the laughs about splashing reporters and pranking local news, the episode stares down deeper issues: media honesty, public shaming, personal digital history, and the all-too-human cost of scandal. It’s classic Arizona radio—cynical, local, and always questioning received wisdom.

Transcript

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[John Holmberg]

Good morning everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Wednesday. My name's John. I'm faking it. There's Brady. There's Brett. There's Big Dick Toledo. I am still sleeping. There's. I have got to pretend to be awake today because windows open, nice light rain all night. Just feeling nice. And I woke up and I'm like, can you call in sleepy? Cause man, oh man, is it easy to just roll over and skip it all. Today. In fact, personal day. I see. Yeah, that woman thing that they started. That Wellness day, take one. It's perfect. Whatever you're doing, don't be so self important to think that it can't wait a day. I highly recommend you turn this show off right now and go right back to sleep. Trip, I'm talking to you. Yeah, that's enough. That's. He'll go to sleep. It's just so easy when. Oh, oh. Out like a light. So I'm completely making this up. There's this energy you hear is artificial. Nothing about me says go today at all. Not even close. It's all about yesterday, when that Larry and I went to lunch. You know, you get like a drizzly day, and it's kind of like overcast, kind of. Oh, well, you've always. Brady, in the past, you've called it a grilled cheese day. And it is. It's a perfect day for a grilled cheese dipped in some sort of weird tomato soup. You'd never do it in July. It would be an awful, awful idea. But yesterday it was. And I was so sleepy. I realized yesterday I was. I was just so, like, overwhelmed by the. Of the day. When we drove past a bus stop and it was nice. It wasn't raining anymore. It just had rained a little. We drove past a bus stop and there was a guy who had a blanket, and he was laying there. And I'm like, oh, that looks nice. Like, I've never. I've never said the homeless dude at the bus stop. Like, he's so lucky. Look at him. That's just. Oh, what a day he's having. Just lay down right now. Whatever you're doing, wherever you are, lay down. If you're driving, throw the seat back, pull over and get a couple hours.

[Brady]

It's.

[John Holmberg]

It's. Just crack a back window or something. It's so nice out. No, let's just all. You know what we should do, like kindergarten.

[Brett Vesely]

Time.

[John Holmberg]

We're going to take the next 45 minutes and do nothing. We're just going to sleep. Not going to play. I'm not going to play a song. I'm not going to play any commercials. Nothing.

[Commercial Announcer]

Just.

[John Holmberg]

Let's just sleep it off. Oh, it's so nice. And watching the news is hysterical because it was raining yesterday. And of course, you know what I think the problem with? They sent some dude out again. It was raining pretty hard in the West Valley, and they sent some guy on like 75th Avenue or something like that. And he goes. Standing on a corner and goes, hey, look at this flooding. And it's like, no, it's just one of your retention things is overwhelmed. It's. It's just slow drain. You got a slow drain. You know, that's all that is. One of your little storm drains is a little slow. No, it's just. And he sits, and then people are. It's the West Valley. He's standing on the corner and people are blazing by, and look at him. People don't realize the risks of hydroplaning. On these puddles. And you know, just an inch of water can lift your car off the ground. You spin and lose control back to you. Troy. And then they're like, yeah, you better be careful out there. That's pretty dangerous. Those people are sp. The reason they're speeding through the puddles is you. They're trying to splash that guy. There's nothing about, you know, nobody would do that if there wasn't a guy with a camera and he's in a rain parka and everything else. Get away from the puddles. You're causing the problem. Jackass.

[Brady]

Got a 20 foot range, hit it, right?

[John Holmberg]

If you hit the puddle right in a jeep or a truck, you can hit way past the stage sidewalk and you can throw it forward. It's pretty awesome. He's the reason people will hydroplane and kill other people is because he set up shop in the circle of doom. And he. And he stood there the whole. There's another one. They just keep. Troy. They just keep blazing by here, top speeds. I don't think people realize that this intersection is flooded. Yes they do. And you're the reason why they're going faster. You notice none of the Hyundai's are doing it. It's just bro dozers and jeeps and like dudes who can handle it. And he goes, those guys are the fastest ones to hydro. They're not going to hydroplane. They're getting you. They're. They're pushing you over the edge. They're asking for it. Yeah, here's what's happening. Begging. Put a target on. You know what that would. The local news doesn't do well like it used to. It's not as, you know, relevant as it once was. If you send out target boy on rainy days and find puddles and slide and Troy Hayden sitting back on channel 12, right. We got 14 reporters out at 14 different intersections with some slow storm drains. $5,000 to anybody who gets the big drench on one of these guys. And wrecks. Some of our built in the community.

[Brady]

I think lifted trucks and jeeps like a. It's like an amber alert.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I have it on my. Yeah. You know, maybe not a bad idea for the people. I just bought my bronco from lifted trucks that they actually have this nice little feature right here. It shows you where the newscasters are on rainy days.

[Brett Vesely]

We do a promo with them today. We should have given away a word of the day. Let's get with them and soak.

[John Holmberg]

Newscasters test drive the trucks from lifted trucks into the news guys who are standing on the corner of I'm an idiot and dip.

[Commercial Announcer]

Right.

[Brett Vesely]

This is great.

[John Holmberg]

It was. It's perfect. And I mean, talk about ratings boosts for. For the local news, who, you know, especially, I would imagine channel 15 not doing so great. You see, you get a chance to take Javier Soto and drench him.

[Commercial Announcer]

Or.

[John Holmberg]

You give me that R Roller. I call him. An R Roller is on tv. You give me that R Roller, and he's standing out there on the side of the road, and you're like, I'm going to drench the R Roller. You got yourself some ratings right there. Your name is Jorge Torres. I'm sorry. Don't do that. You're putting a lot of pressure on me, Jorge. Come on. You're probably a pretty nice guy, but Jorge Torres, That's a little over the top. You're done there. What are you, a matador? You're a weatherman. You're Jorge. You're George Torres. Don't. And now let's take a look over here. All right, now, nobody's saying this but you. Down in. You ma. Calm down, Jorge. This is how my grandmother said it. Right? Okay. I'm sure that my Swedish grandmother said John different, but I'm not throwing that bomb around. You're George now. But yeah, bombing them with the. It's a great idea. It really is. But will they take that idea? I don't know. Troy Hayden, you're out there. Maybe he's listening right now. Maybe Ian Schwartz over at Channel three. Take that Holly Bach. Put her in a white T shirt, stand her in a corner. Your ratings are gonna go through the moon.

[Brett Vesely]

I'm taking your jeep right now.

[John Holmberg]

We're not doing a show. I'm Holly Bach and I'm standing on 52nd Street. Where am I? McDowell, on my bike. We're right there. This show would just be us dicking around and calling back Brady man the foot. Brandy, do you know how to work any of this? No. I don't care. Come with us. Yeah, just hit a button, please. Sometimes when it turns red, go boop, boop, boop, and then turn it off again. We're going up there to drench Holly Bach and take pictures.

[Brady]

Remember years ago, the one morning show.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that was dumb.

[Brady]

Producer.

[Brett Vesely]

What happened?

[John Holmberg]

They used to send their stupid producer monkey boy out to get stuff after a rain. But it's. But they're idiots.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's radio.

[Brady]

And he'd suit up for it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but it's radio. Yay. He came back Wet. And they took pictures. There was no Internet to put it on. It was like, what's the point? TV though. We got a little something. Got a little something.

[Brett Vesely]

Didn't you guys just throw water balloons?

[John Holmberg]

Water balloon. Channel 12. Because they lied about where they were standing. I used to water balloon the. I had water balloons on standby for my afternoon show. And Channel 12 would stand on their roof across the street and go, live from McKellepson Val Vista. I'm like, no, he isn't. He's right. And I was watching in the studio. The TV was on, and I'm like, I can see that dickhead. If I go outside, he's standing on the roof. And they would just stand at different angles of the roof. Like, if they were mesa, they'd stand and they'd have like, superstition mountain behind them. I'm like, these pricks are lying. They never leave the building. And so I would scream, brought to you by the king of beer, Spudweiser. Suck on this. Mary Kim Titlow was the lady who did it the most. So we suck on this Titlow, we'd say. And then we'd chuck water balloons. I've seen McLaughlin would act like he was. He was always on the roof going, we're out here. You know, it's about to rain. I'm at Granada Park. Like, no, you're not. I see your dumb little head poking on it. And then he would go, oh, boy. We got water balloons. So we got incoming. And then they'd run around the top of the building and then they'd stop. Dave Muncie was bad at it. The dude who used to. He used to stand right outside Channel 10 and say he was somewhere else. I'm like, you're literally two steps out the back door of Channel 10 on Van Veer, and I know exactly where you are. And they got upset when we chucked water balloons at them because it was street level. So it was just. You ever get one? Oh, on camera, McLaughlin. We had. It was. It was. Remember when we. It was on. Oh, it was on when we first attacked Iraq back in the 90s. It was that thing just recently when Israel and they were intercepting all those bombs you just saw. We had three dudes take my. And Ted Nolan, who never likes to talk about this, brought me a. Two Budweiser coolers filled with water balloons because he thought it was great. And he goes, there you go. And I'm like, I'm going to say it's brought to you by Budweiser goes, I wish you wouldn't. I'm like, well, I'm going to. And I said, brought to you by Budweiser, the king of beers. Take that, Titla. That was what you had to scream as you did it. And one dude outside. You remember the Channel 12 building when it was down by the old zone? One dude was screaming it so loud it was getting picked up on the roof. You could hear in the. In the distance. It's like, what? And then scene. McLaughlin ducked in the weather report, and he looked around like, what the hell? And then it was like he had two friends and multiple water balloons just started sailing over his head. I mean, he was. And he ran. Somebody throwing water balloons at us. And then he continued his weather report.

[Brady]

He laid down in the two apple crates that were stacked.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I know. We had to jump down from his. Yeah, his forefoot. Like, to make him look like a human man, he had to leap off of that.

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[John Holmberg]

It was the best. And then, you know, that was one of my favorite things ever. I don't remember the guy's name, but he was the news director for Channel 12. And he came over and asked if we would stop bombarding his. His reporters. And I said, well, then stop saying you're somewhere you're not. I'm proving you guys are fake journalists. Come on, man. And that was the whole meeting. Come on, man. Like, don't say scene. McLaughlin is in Glendale. When I can see his dumb little head when I go outside. Never happened again. It was like they took. I was, you know, some idiot just sitting there throwing water balloons at people. Like, he's right. We probably shouldn't lie about that anymore. Mary Kim Titler was a reporter in town. She was the laziest one ever. If there was a murder, she'd pretend to be outside of it, and she'd stand up on the roof. And I'm like, you're on the roof. You're. You're nowhere near where you say you are.

[Brady]

They're overtaken early on. They. It got into the game late. These storm teams are killing us on these other channels.

[Brett Vesely]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

It was awesome. Ah, I miss it. But yeah. Lifted trucks. You're not a client or anything, but you're about to be. Just because I met the guys over there and bought a truck from them, I think.

[Brett Vesely]

There she is.

[John Holmberg]

There's Mary Kim Titler. What's she up to?

[Brett Vesely]

She's a politician, apparently.

[John Holmberg]

Holy smokes. Is she? She say she's somewhere and she isn't. Are any pictures of her saying she's at the Grand Canyon. And she's just like, you know, at Sears.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, she was a politician in 2008.

[John Holmberg]

She lost, huh? For lying, I bet. For lying about living where she said she was representing stuff. She was never where she said she was. Every time I saw her, I'm out on the reservation. Once, she said, she's out on the reservation. There used to be a field on Third Street. Remember that, Brady? There's Third street right by where Margaret T. Hance was. They built tons of restaurants and stuff there now. But right behind Channel 12 was just an empty dirt lot.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

They did an overhead shot of her like it was artistic. And she said, you know, out on the reservation, this, this, this, and this. And I'm like, you could see just in the background to the parking lot to channel 12. And I'm like, this broad is 45ft from the station, and she says she's up in Navajo land. Liar. We didn't have any water balloons that day. It was a. It was like a daily feature on my afternoon show to watch Channel 12 and tell people they're lying.

[Brady]

Well, there is an argument that one time that might have been now. Navajo.

[John Holmberg]

She was saying she was like, the drive to Flagstaff today was a hairy one. And I'm like, no, it's not. You're 18ft from your desk. We got a little traffic up on the i17 on our way in. I'm like, you're standing outside your work. Liar.

[Brett Vesely]

Yeah, but Jim Cross did the same thing in radio.

[John Holmberg]

Cross never worked. Jim Cross never left that building. He's probably still there, Jim. Yeah. Yeah, he could. Yeah. Jim Cross outside of a dark building at 4 in the morning. I'm not going anywhere sharp.

[Brady]

That's why I retired. He wanted to travel. Finally.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I want to get out of this building. I haven't been out of this building in 35 years. What do you mean? Every morning you're standing in front of some. You bought that bull. Jim Cross gate. Yeah. News go.

[Brett Vesely]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Jim Cross was always like. Our correspondent Jim Cross is live on the scene. Yeah Jim. I can see it through the window. I'm outside the studio. Why do we lie to them? I don't know. The lies. Tons of lies. I don't know that they do that anymore. I think I may have helped with that. Channel 12 lied every day in the late 90s, early 2000 until I started to attack them with water balloons. Now if you want a real program on TV and get your new stuff back in order, quit wasting my time with cooking segments and food I'm never going to have and start putting people out by puddles and smashing them. That's genius. If you really care about. And here's the other thing. They were doing homeless thing yesterday about the homeless have nowhere to go in the rain. Is anyone. Am I the smartest person on the planet? I feel like I'm in idiocracy. We haven't used the Chase 40, 48 story building downtown that has been empty for four years. Put them in there.

[Brady]

There's a lot of capacity available.

[John Holmberg]

Stuff them in a floor. There was like. There was like over 100 people have nowhere to go tonight. And I'm like just open the doors to the empty building. There's another one on Camelback and Central. They haven't been able to get that thing going. It's way off budget. They trying to put apartments in there and it failed for. It's got. It's been six years. It's just windows. Put them in there and then in the morning rustle them out like rats. Let them walk around when the weather's better and if it's raining you just stuff them in there. It's like. It's like an awning. And while we're not using it. Quit telling me that I got to spend money when you got a perfectly good 48 story building no one's using at all. That thing is empty. It's the biggest building in Phoenix and it's empty.

[Brady]

Still.

[John Holmberg]

Huh? There's nothing to do with it. It needs to be rented. They were going to make apartments out of. It was like a billion dollars to try to do that. It's like not going to do it. So just put up some cubicles, throw down a few mats and say have at it. Homeless.

[Brady]

And people say after floor of just yoga.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe the second floor you've got 48 homeless yoga. I don't know, but it seems like we're like, oh, we've got a homeless problem. People don't care. I'm like, well, there's that empty building. We can't do that. They'll mess it up. And I'm like, well, then we don't really care. Then shut up. If you care, fix it. Because it's easy if you don't shut up. No, we need people to give money to it. Like, for what? There's an empty building. No one's using. Can't put them in there. What if we use it someday? What are they going to. They're not poison. They're just homeless. They'll do drugs. Yeah, that's why they're okay. So we don't care. Let them. Let them rot. No, we can't do that. Like, put them in the empty building. Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? Go stand by a puddle. I'm done with this. But yeah, the reason that there's hydroplaning on rainy days is news people. Because I watched intersection flood in that last storm. And there couldn't have been more respect from the travelers of Phoenix. It was in Scottsdale, Tempe. Scottsdale area. And everybody went about two miles an hour. And you know why? Because Mary Kim Titlow wasn't standing on the sidelines there with cameras and lights and stuff. And I'm gonna be on tv. Like, you try to those people up. It's smart. So good luck news. If you want some. If you want some damn reporting and you want some damn ratings, talk to me. That guy just said, man, Hollybach in a white T shirt, no bra, cold water puddle. AZ family with a 30 share. They're for the win. Absolutely. It would be super bowl numbers. And then you'd go, you want to talk about. And they're always, you know, beating themselves over for trying to get on viral and get a national news story.

[Brady]

Talks.

[John Holmberg]

This is easy. This is easy. We want to have some pride and decorum. Well, all right. Well, good luck with that because I'm not going to get your ratings with that. I noticed you never let Holly go on there and sweats and, you know, like a bun. She's always done up pretty good. So you kind of deep down know the sexier she is, the better the ratings. I notice you don't hire many ugly people. So you kind of know. So let's step it up a notch and put her outside in the water and tell her if you're gonna have her standing in the Rain to tell us it's raining. Make it worth our time.

[Brady]

The monsoon award goes to.

[John Holmberg]

She'd be. She'd be network in a week. See that lady? And Phoenix got quite a lot of attention. Over a million clicks in one day. And their ratings went from a 1 share to a 44. What'd they do? Put her in a white T shirt? Stood her in the rain in Phoenix. God damn it. Who's the genius programmer that came up with that idea? He's on the radio, sir. An idiot from the radio. My God. Yeah. Stupid people. And even Royal Norman would be funny if he was in a white T shirt standing on the side you get those big cans of Royal Normans wet. I'd do it.

[Brady]

He takes some people out.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Schwartz can wear one of those weird thongs and just bend over and take a bunch of water from behind for his audience or something. Yeah. His. Put Schwartz in the Borat and oh, my God, Melrose would light on fire that whole district. Oh, just the. In Schwartz bent overtaking the Borat waters.

[Brady]

You just hear water day.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It's a play day. And I know there'd be some loser lawyer that would go, you know, there's a liability if someone tries to splash him. Reporter. And crashes. Yeah. But you'll have so much money from advertising nationally that you'll be able to pay those bills. Simple stuff. But I am. Today. We're all going to be faking it. It's just a drowsy way to start the day. And it feels so nice to just lay there. The alarm goes off and you're smiling and you just blip.

[Brady]

Snooze.

[John Holmberg]

There's a chance I'm never getting up. So nice. So nice. Another thing I saw yesterday that was hilarious. I think maybe what The Epstein files are both interesting and annoyingly uninteresting to me because I have a feeling, you know, this is just gonna keep going. Like, okay, we're past them to release them, and now it goes through Senate. Now it's on Trump's desk, and they're gonna release them. And then I saw last night there are loopholes that make it almost impossible to release. I'm like, oh, did we just go through this over again for more fluff? Well, yeah. And I don't know. Look, I'm getting.

[Brady]

Who doesn't he have a picture with?

[John Holmberg]

Right?

[Brett Vesely]

That's true.

[John Holmberg]

There's a dude named Larry Summers who has already preemptively apologized and said he's deeply ashamed of his interaction with Epstein because he. He was asking him about romantic advice after Epstein had already kind of gotten in trouble. He's like, how do you do it? I'm struggling with this broad. You got any advice for me? He's like, yeah, well, how old is she? It's like, I don't know. She's. Well, I was gonna say you should write her a note and leave it in class, but, you know, that's the Epstein way. So I'm not. I'm not for the criminal aspect of it, but the release of this and the argument is it's gonna hurt the one guy that voted against it. His argument was pretty sound. He goes, look, he was thinking the way we should think as men. Everybody was screaming, release the files. I agree. We should know some stuff. Although I have said, don't pull that sweater thread. You don't know what's going to take down and it might hurt us in the end.

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[John Holmberg]

He's the one guy that said, I'm not voting to release these. Said it was going to hurt a lot of innocent people.

[Brady]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

And I started thinking I would be in on that. First off. A billionaire, I don't know that well. Texting me jokes is going to get jokes back. A billionaire I don't know that well that's got an island and a plane that wants to met. Like, I've been. I made friends with my. My friend Dr. Brink, and he's got a plane and he's got stuff. I don't know. Brink's past. I don't know what he's going to get in trouble for in the future, but already Brink and I are going back and forth on some pretty heady, hilarious stuff. 10 years from now, 15 years from now, suddenly Brink's in trouble because he's, you know, banging zoo animals or something. I don't know. I don't think Jeff's doing that. Sorry, Jeff. Or, you know, and then it's like, we're going to release all of his texts for the last 20 years. I'm like, oh, like that dude in the. In the house was thinking of guys like us. He was thinking rationally, like, do you really want everyone you've ever known that you've texted if they've done something wrong, to have all their text released? Go no further than Jon Gruden. John Gruden wasn't under investigation. They went through emails and found one from John Gruden that said that the dude he hated had lips like the Michelin tires. I know that makes Brett laugh, and it made me laugh, too. And they're like, he's using racist tropes and he's. Gruden's are. What'd I do, man? What? Tell you what, man. I was just texting about that dude with the big lips, and he did have big lips. You can't say that about the certain person he said it about. But the guy had huge lips, and Jon Gruden hated him. So he took his noticeable feature and made a joke about it. He wasn't under investigation for anything, and he lost his job and can't get a job in his industry again. Innocent person in that regard. Oh, he fought back as best he can. He's got enough money to do it, but he still can't get a job doing what he wants.

[Brady]

They always throw him in the mix, whether it's college or.

[John Holmberg]

He might get it. He might. It might be like a Brennaman thing where he didn't really do much wrong other than he said something that all of us have been guilty of doing at one point or another in our lives and got busted at a dumb time. Said it stupid on a stupid spot. It was dumb followed by dumb followed by dumb. And you got spanked for it. A little excessively. Gruden will get a job being, like Hofstra's coach someday, and it won't matter just because he loves it so much. But, you know, it's down the road. It's not anytime soon. I don't think that's what happens when you release all the files. And this one dude's like. And I started thinking, I don't know. Aside from actually acting on it, Our texts are horrible.

[Brady]

Horrible.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, absolutely. And not just with you idiots. I've got three or four threads I bet you need. Oh, yeah. I got friends groups that are just brutal. For instance, last night, I had my friends. Well, I might. My God. Mark. A friend named Jeff. Who is Jeff? Jeff Thompson. I'll throw his name out there. Send it to just a terrible. And Jeff. It was Jeff who sent it to everybody. And my buddy Jordan, disgraced doctor who lost everything, sent a video of a guy having a dildo removed from his body. And then the comments after.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, you didn't send that to us.

[John Holmberg]

Didn't I? I thought I did. Oh, I'll fire it right now. Looking at right now, boys. There you go. But it's like one of those. It's one of those things that you would play for us. It was stuck. And the doctor had his arm three quarters of the way up this poor man's ass. And they are pulling the doctor to try to remove this from his ass. I thought I did send this to you guys.

[Brett Vesely]

Did you?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I don't know how old the person is on the table. I don't know what went on. I don't know if this was an abuse situation or if it was voluntary. I just know I laughed hysterically. And we all decided this was something we would joke about mainly towards Jeff, who's a very serious businessman.

[Brett Vesely]

Ah, there it is.

[John Holmberg]

You know, there you go. Enjoy it.

[Byron]

Thanks.

[John Holmberg]

Great stuff. Maybe put it in your videos later today because it's very strange.

[Brett Vesely]

Don't watch it, Brady. I may use that because it.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know that it. Yeah, don't watch it, Brady. It's not for you right now. But I don't know if it's a dildo or a fence pipe or a post.

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[John Holmberg]

Our texts are awful. And if one of us went to jail for something and they went through them, all of them. Explain yourself is going to definitely be part of it.

[Brett Vesely]

We've talked about that in the past. You know, of us goes, we're scrubbing the other one's phone. Oh, yeah, I mean, that's just. That's, yeah, done.

[John Holmberg]

I don't. You know, people say that. This one says, John, this email says, crap. You got a great point there. You cannot get into any trouble ever, John. If they go through your emails and see some of the stuff I've sent you over the years, I'm going to prison just for knowing you. Taken out of context, I'm ostracized. That's all of us. So focusing in on just who did what and releasing the files to the general morons could be dangerous, could be horrifying. I can't really think of a friend I like that I haven't sent something to. And I've sent terrible stuff to people and hilarious stuff to people. Just that I don't even know these emails. Britt's been great about this. All those videos that you show people ask for them. You're like, nope. Like you won't do it because you don't know them. You don't know them.

[Brett Vesely]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And you don't know if they're like sitting in a car watching the videos on their phone with 24 year olds that they drive to or maybe they're a school bus driver and the next thing you know is like, who sent you this? Oh, Brett Fesley from kupd. Sent this to me. What the hell is going on?

[Brett Vesely]

I've shown them to people, like, if. If they're. If I'm out somewhere, they wouldn't want. All right, there you go. It's on my phone. Here you go.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Once it's out of your hands, I don't know who's going to do it for who.

[Brady]

You have the thing where they sign?

[Brett Vesely]

Yeah. Should have waivers.

[John Holmberg]

There's. Maybe there should be a little disclaimer before you open any of these. Like, we can tag it and say, I need you to click on this.

[Brady]

They try to do you over 18.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, no, no, that's for sites. I'm saying if I sent Brady something, I'm like, this one's a little weird. I'm not trusting Brady. I'm going to tag it with one of those, hey, click on this and take all the responsibility that if you decide to use this, anything that happens from your phone can't come back to me. Lawyers should get on that. But these Epstein files are gonna get. You know, that dude's right. A lot of people who just didn't know. And again, I put myself in those shoes. If a billionaire from New York who was having parties, and I'm looking around and I see Clinton and Trump and Obama, and I'm like, jesus, I am hobnobbing with the elites of Earth. The last thing I'm thinking to myself is, I gotta get out of this. I wanna stay for a long time. Is this gonna go? Yeah. Like, how far does this go? And I'm like, the waiters look a little young. Anyway, I'm ignoring a lot of red flags, especially if I'm just there every once in a while. And then I wake up in the morning and Epstein sent over a, you know, an Indian getting a dildo ripped out of his ass. And I'm like, aha. How many times that happened to you, Jeff? Because I'm gonna throw it back and forth. I'm in for it if you are. You want to do that to me? You've got billions. It's. You got it, buddy. Next thing you know how to context in a courtroom, I'm the idiot. I. I'm like, didn't you want to get raped by him? Says here in your text. I'm up for that if you are billionaire. Like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I did say that, but, yes, I did. Yes, I did. Now you're Johnny Depp on the yes, I did. You want to rape and burn the body of your ex. Yes, I do, but not literally.

[Brady]

But there's good news. He did not get in trouble for that. Yes, but you had to go through that.

[John Holmberg]

He paid a lot of money and he sat in a courtroom a long time. And who was the one we remember most from that? Paul Bettany. He had nothing to do with it other than to be on the other side of Johnny Depp's text saying he wanted to kill and burn Amber Heard's body. And he sent it to a friend. And next thing you know, you're in a courtroom and think about it, he got away with it. We're talking about it by name again. Did he? Johnny Depp had some hilarious types of me, so I'm just saying I'm into it, but I'm trying to think of the idea of, like, how many people. I mean, we've had people on this show, listeners and stuff that we've befriended that have gone to jail for some stuff that have been on the news. You're like, that dude listens. I was paling around for a whole night with that murderer. That was the. The. He was at the zombie. Kill the zombie.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't know what. I'm in pictures with the guy. People send him to me. Remember this? Yeah, man. They do now.

[Brett Vesely]

I wish I was in Johnny Depp's text message thread.

[John Holmberg]

It would have gotten worse. Oh, I'm in the documentary of the zombie killer on 48 hours and then on Dateline. I didn't do that voluntarily. They have video of him and I'm standing there. Now, granted, I'm dressed as a Halloween scary thing. I know it's me. There's pictures of people. Hey, that's that guy from the radio. I'm in the documentary. When you first see the documentary first starts. He was known to dress as a zombie and go to parties. And there I am waving, and he's right behind me. And he had his car, and his car was decorated with real entrails. Who's looking at the car in the documentary? Me. I talked about it.

[Brady]

You're fully made up right at the time?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And that one I was made up, but the first one, I was just skull paint, like it. You can tell it's me. If you know me, you're like, hey, that's a good costume. That looks like Holmberg. And then you're like, that is him. I told the ladies at a doctor's office, I was sitting in there. And she goes, has anybody watched the zombie killer thing that came out? I'm like, I looked at him like, I'm in it. What? And then she pulls it up on her phone, and I'm like, that's me. Oh, my God. You're in the first shot. I know. Tell me about it.

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[John Holmberg]

I didn't know that either. Did you know him? I'm like, stop it. We're done here. Yes, I did.

[Brady]

It was no longer a client there.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I'm not allowed in there anymore.

[Brett Vesely]

Anymore.

[John Holmberg]

And me and the doctor started talking, but, yeah, I don't know who my good friends are with, you know, Jesus. They got planes, and I got people who I like. This guy's awesome. If I just took Dr. Brink, we went to Sedona and stayed in the same house, our texts could be, you know, construed as terrifying. I don't know if Brink's. I don't know what he's doing, you know, like he's got a parrot at home. I don't know what he's doing.

[Brady]

He probably says the same thing about all his friends, right?

[John Holmberg]

But you do. I'll tell you right now. You meet a friend who has a plane, they get a little more grace. I don't know why that is. They're just cooler. The. Much cooler than the two of you.

[Brett Vesely]

What if has one has an island.

[John Holmberg]

And that plane goes to that island, and that island is gorgeous, and it's called Sex Island. And you don't know why yet, but you're on the plane to go there to find out, you would go, want to come to my sex Island? I'm like, yep. On my private plane. Yes, I do. You know I do. And that text would be like, john, you want to fly the Lolita Express and go to Sex Island? Yeah, I do. Billionaire pal. Do you know why they call it Sex Island? Like, I have a pretty good idea. And then you go there, and you're like, oh, my God, Sex island is criminal. Now all your texts say, yes, I want to go to your sex Island. Please take me. That's where it ends. I don't know that it's ever going to get released. I'm getting kind of tired of the cat and mouse with these papers, because yesterday I was like, all right, finally it all comes out, and this will go away. And then the next story was, loopholes in the bill make it so certain aspects of the Epstein files can never be released. I'm like, oh, for Christ's.

[Brady]

Either side, if we can run with something that would ruin this candidate, right?

[John Holmberg]

They're just, it's gotcha Rising Star and we can just huge game of gotcha to eliminate them. But I do think Trump blinked the other day because he's getting a little antsy in that one reporter that started to talk. While he was talking, he goes, quiet Piggy. I'm like, oh, Jesus. He called the girl a pig on tv and I didn't get a look at her. I've noticed that CNN's handling that with like, my God. He called a woman piggy. Like, can we see a shot of her? Was he right beside the point? Like, I noticed you guys aren't showing pictures of Piggy. And what if it was? I mean, that would be a great little cutaway if it turned out that Kermit, you know, it was Miss Piggy. He was like, quiet Piggy and he was seriously calling her by her name or just she looks like he snapped a little. Miss Piggy. Piggy reporter. I looked for like a minute last night, then I got distracted by something you sent, and off I went to Brett Island. Anyway, they're supposed to release those things, but the one dude, Larry Summers, came out and just first words, I'm deeply ashamed. I mean, he jumped ahead of it and I'm deeply ashamed of my relationship with him. I, I asked advice for relationships from Jeffrey Epstein after all the stuff had started. I, I was having some trouble and I basically said, I continued to fulfill my, my obligations, but I'm gonna step away from public appearances because, yeah, you got me. I was like, did you do anything illegal? Ah, no. The guy was. It doesn't mean he didn't have good advice in certain areas. He's just a criminal. He's just a terrible person. Says for decades, Mr. Summers has demonstrated his attraction to serving the wealthy and well connected. Well, I got no problem with that. He had, he had the ability to distance himself from Jeffrey Epstein and didn't. And even everything that was publicly known about his sex offenses involving girls. Summers cannot be trusted to advise our nation's politicians, policymakers, and institutions. He's like a big deal at Harvard. That's Piggy. That's Piggy. She's okay. He shouldn't have called her Piggy.

[Brett Vesely]

Yeah, I don't think she was calling her fat.

[John Holmberg]

Looks a little bit like Sarah Jessica Parker had a weird sister. Got that same sort of foot shaped face.

[Brett Vesely]

I don't think he was calling her Piggy because she's fat.

[John Holmberg]

He just doesn't like her.

[Brady]

Yeah, that's his nickname for.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe he likes her. Maybe she's Maybe she's got a funny toe. Still shouldn't call people that. It wasn't right. Hilarious. It's hilarious to jerks like us. But it wasn't right. Supposed to have some sort of decorum and he didn't. Although as much as we enjoy when you call somebody who's annoying you piggy on TV and you're the president, when the president calls you piggy, I'm like, oh, my.

[Brady]

What did she do?

[John Holmberg]

Shouldn't do that. Yeah, that. What is. What did she do to deserve that? That's how Trump's turned this on its head. Whole, a whole 50% of the whole country just goes, yeah, but what was she doing? Like, you want her to respect him too, right? Like she was talking while he was talking. She didn't get called on. He called her piggy. I mean, it's like he spun it to where people are like, you know, what did she do to deserve that? Rather than like, he shouldn't do that and he shouldn't. We all know better. We all know you're not supposed to call people piggy when you're the President. Yes, I did. Of course I called her piggy. Did you see her? She's got that little foot face. And by the way, the way she was looking at me was straight up very snobby. So all I saw were nostrils. Piggy. Anyway, that's the thing. Be careful with your text. That's a good day to go back to our regular rule of cleanse. Go through your text today, start the deleting process. Now, that doesn't matter in a courtroom, but start the deleting process. So just be careful. You might be in there, you might be in the Epstein files and you don't even know it. You might.

[Brady]

That's why I was saying earlier who's. Who's not gonna be in it. Yeah, that guy was a mover and shaker and people wanted to meet with him because he could introduce you to this guy. And that guy.

[John Holmberg]

I've sent some terrible stuff back and forth with John Lovitz. John Lovitz was in the 90s, hobnobbing pretty heavy with some of these hard hitting Trump people. Not that he's a great Trump guy. I'm just saying that he knew him. He's New York Trump. Was New York Trump. Beautiful, bouncing around that kind of world. I don't know if Lovitz is in this. Wouldn't surprise me. I mean, Lovett's would be the first one on a plane called Sex Island. Destination Sex Island.

[Brady]

If you don't watch that first documentary about Epstein. He's connected everybody.

[John Holmberg]

I talked to Lovitz once and he was telling me how he was pals with Marlon Brando's son. He used to go over there all the time and talk with Brando and him, you know, and the guy that he was friends with was the one that was like the brother of the murderer or whatever. They had all sorts of connections. I don't know what's going to come up someday. So just beware of screaming as loud as you can. Release everything.

[Brady]

Good.

[John Holmberg]

Damn. I think we just. We slow bleed it and I'll get emails from people. You got to know if somebody's committing crimes against children. I do agree with that, but that's where the release everything things. We release everything that matters. Don't really stuff about me.

[Brady]

Who was it? The. The different. But it's similar. The BTK killer.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Was like on the board of the church.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, sure.

[Brady]

All those people that were associated just like that.

[John Holmberg]

You don't know the problem would be.

[Brady]

Majority of them didn't know. I mean, but there. There I am a picture with a.

[John Holmberg]

Guy I talked with, Brian Callan after that lady accused him of sexual assault.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And I said, you've been awesome. I've never known you to not be awesome to me. And I said, so until you. If you tell me this didn't happen, I'm going to believe you because you've been a friend. And I said, and I know it doesn't mean anything to you, but this little Phoenix radio will be a backup for you so long as you tell me everything. If anything comes out where you're, you know, like, lied to me, I've got to pull away. You understand? He goes. And he even said, he goes, you'd find out who your friends are in these situations. He goes, it's the best. The best message I could have gotten. And he goes, and I'm telling you from the bottom of my heart, none of this is real. I'm like, okay, I'll believe you. I took a chance there just in case. Because he's like, if I need your show, I will use it. And I'm like, it's there for you. I will believe you. But if you. If it turns out you're lying, you're screwing me for. For being your pal, because I'll take that. Like, if Brady right now is like, oh, my God, what are they accusing you of? And I'm like, if you look me in the eyes right now and say, I Did not do this. I'm gonna roll with you until I can't.

[Brady]

Arthur Blank.

[John Holmberg]

Arthur Blank and Michael Vick. It's a perfect example of somebody just getting kicked in the nuts hard by somebody. Arthur Blank just said, did you do this? Because if you did, I have to let you go. If not, I'm gonna stand by you. And Michael Vick swore up and down I had nothing to do with this. This is all crap. And Arthur Blank stood behind a podium and said, this young man didn't do anything wrong. And man, oh man. And then he had to cut ties with him, like, immediately. So I get he lied to me. And. And actually, Arthur Blank was pretty smart about how he handled ass. Like I look. What am I gonna do? The guy bailed on me. So just be careful when you start screaming. And we should know everything. Yeah, I've been saying this for years about that. That sweater thread. The whole sweater goes away. You're just looking for pieces of that sweater to go. The whole thing goes away. So I don't think they're ever going to release anything. But we'll find out. 6:25. Let's get a wake up song in this fake sleepy morning that we could all just. Just roll over, grab the other pillow. Oh, that pillow right now that you're not using on your bed. So chilled. And you just put your head on it like, oh, sleep the day away. Call in sleepy. It's a perfect day to do it. You get next week. You're taking the whole week off anyway, so just nothing's happening.

[Brady]

Snow day.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you're not. You're not that important at work, I'll tell you that right now. You may think you are, but you're not. I'm not either. Like, you call in, everybody's going to be fine. You know, that's why you can take vacations. They got you covered. I got too much to do. No, you don't.

[Brady]

It can wait a day if you're making Amazon delivery. Sorry.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, Amazon people. Yeah, you guys keep working. I got some windshield wipers I need.

[Brady]

Wake up.

[John Holmberg]

I need them quickly. I have no windshield wipers. Driving around in that Jeep this morning was. I am a hazard. I can't see a thing.

[Brady]

You just get them. I'll help you install.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I know you can do it. I'll get you Amazon a ladder over here and see if I can get you to reach my windshield. Is 5859. 800 is the phone number. You call it. Tell us what you want to hear to wake up and we'll get her going. It's 98. KUPD.

[Brett Vesely]

Wake up.

[John Holmberg]

It's out of control now.

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