11-27-25 - Sign For NAMBLA Seen Near John's Hood - Nov 2024 BO

Summary

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Episode Overview

Theme:
This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness (November 27, 2025) dives into a bizarre and contentious topic: the appearance of fake political signs in Phoenix and Scottsdale, Arizona, falsely stating that Democratic legislative candidates have been endorsed by NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association). The hosts—John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo—use their irreverent, bold humor to interrogate the implications of such endorsements, the absurdity of political smear tactics, and riff on how age of consent laws factor into the public discussion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NAMBLA Endorsement Signs — The Backstory

• [01:22-02:15] John describes returning home to see "NAMBLA has endorsed" political signs near his neighborhood, expressing disbelief that NAMBLA (“North American Man Boy Love Association”) even exists openly.

  • Quote (John Holmberg, 01:32):
    “Why can’t we stop NAMBLA just on the name?... It should be, I don’t know, outlawed.”

• The hosts explain that signs have been posted incorrectly accusing two Democratic Arizona candidates (Karen Gresham and Christine Marsh) of being endorsed by NAMBLA—a malicious prank or smear, not a real endorsement.

• [03:36-04:36] Discussion shifts to how easy it is to create fake political signs as both a prank and a form of political sabotage and how this act is likely illegal.

2. Absurd Hypotheticals & Satirical Take on NAMBLA Endorsements

• The hosts stage a mock phone call between a candidate and their manager about weird endorsements:

  • Quote (John & Co., 04:10):
    "I got a couple of good endorsements this week... And NAMBLA.”
    “Oh my god. What do we do?”
    “We’ll just claim it’s a lie.”
    (04:06-04:13)

• John sharply condemns NAMBLA:

  • Quote (John Holmberg, 06:05):
    “If you are a member of NAMBLA, hang yourself immediately, please. I don’t say that with any sort of joking tone in my body. Hang yourself, NAMBLA member… you aren’t part of this.”

3. Weaponizing NAMBLA in Politics

• [08:12-09:35] The group muses that NAMBLA’s “endorsement” is the ultimate political disqualifier; no serious candidate would want it, and it becomes an instant (false) weapon against opponents.
  • Quote (John Holmberg, 08:43):
    "Can we not make this about Kamala and Trump and just agree on that? NAMBLA might come out for the Democrats, but even the Democrats are like, no, no, no, no, no, we don’t want them.”

4. Satire on Political Guerilla Tactics

• [08:46-09:45] The hosts joke about the logistics of actually printing and distributing these fake signs, imagining pranksters giggling as they hammer them into the ground.
  • Quote (John Holmberg, 09:12):
    “…I want to go to Staples with that. ‘Hey, I want these Christine Marsh things sponsored by NAMBLA’… The guy behind the counter’s got no idea. Trevor might be in on it too…”

5. Firm Denouncement of NAMBLA and Philosophical Take on Age of Consent

• [10:00-11:21] John maintains a hard line:

  • Quote (John Holmberg, 10:09):
    “That’s my political stance. If you’re a member of NAMBLA, hang yourself. You are of no value to our nation… Nothing good comes from lowering the age of consent.”

• [12:00-13:21] The show detours into the complexities of age of consent, debating “sliding scales” for dating among young adults versus predatory behavior, with a consistent rejection of any NAMBLA-like position.

• John proposes a more nuanced view for cases like 19-year-olds dating 17-year-olds (close-in-age relationships), but absolutely rejects predatory justifications.

6. Social Satire: “Card-Carrying” NAMBLA Members & Age Rules

• John pokes fun at the concept of being a “card-carrying” NAMBLA member, equating it to being in a Moose Lodge:

  • Quote (John Holmberg, 08:02):
    “...If on there at all, says, NAMBLA meeting Friday. I don't want to be a member anymore. I’m done. I’m out on anything NAMBLA’s in on.”

• He introduces a long comedic segment on "logic and reason" for real age-of-consent adjustments, parodying both NAMBLA’s aims and extreme “cougar” behavior among older women.

• [15:29-17:12] John creates rules on alimony and dating ages for divorcees, always satirically tying it back to his distaste for NAMBLA and “making new rules.”

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Outright Condemnation:

  • "If you are a member of nambla, hang yourself immediately, please. I don’t say that with any sort of joking tone in my body. Hang yourself, NAMBLA member.”
    — John Holmberg, [06:05]

• Satirical Political Smearing:

  • “If you want your candidate to win, just throw out some news that NAMBLA supports your opposition and you’re pretty much gonna get there.”
    — John Holmberg, [02:17]

• Irreverent Product Tie-In:

  • “For the first six months I was a member of Ambulance [NAMBLA], but it was because of the football phone and I got a T-shirt. Oh, Sports Illustrated used to get me every time. Football phone. Forget it. Run to my dad—We got Sports Illustrated, get it again! Double down! Let’s get two subscriptions. Give me that football phone.”
    — John Holmberg, [06:38]

• Comedic Discourse on Close-in-Age Relationships:

  • “If you’re under 18, you should only be allowed to date under 18 year olds...If you’re like 19, you should be able to date like 16 and up. If you’re 20, 17 and up. Twenty-one, it kicks in at 21, when you start drinking, then you can’t date anybody under 18... it just kind of moves for a couple years with you ‘cause you're still kinda stupid.”
    — John Holmberg, [11:23-12:10]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:22] – Episode pivot: NAMBLA endorsement signs surface in Phoenix/Scottsdale
• [04:06-04:13] – Satirical phone call about getting NAMBLA endorsement
• [06:05] – John’s repeated denouncement of NAMBLA and anyone associated
• [08:43] – The idea of weaponizing the NAMBLA “endorsement” in politics
• [09:12] – Imagining pranksters printing fake NAMBLA signs
• [10:09] – “If you’re a member of NAMBLA, hang yourself...”
• [11:23-13:21] – Sliding scale argument for age of consent, clearly separated from NAMBLA
• [15:29-17:12] – Satire on divorce, alimony, and dating rules tied back to age issues

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Tone & Style

• Bold, irreverent, and unapologetic.
• Heavily satirical, especially in confronting controversial topics with “logic and reason”—the hosts insist on drawing a sharp, bright line between exploitative organizations and legitimate arguments about the nuances of age-of-consent laws.
• Frequent use of parodic hypotheticals and mock scenarios.
• Moments of dark, direct humor intended as strong condemnation.

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Who Should Listen

• Anyone interested in the intersection of politics, prankster culture, social norms, and pointed, comedic radio discourse.
• Be aware: the humor is edgy and the stance on NAMBLA is unequivocal.

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In summary:
This episode is a rapid-fire take on the politics of outrage, dirty campaign tricks, and the absolute unacceptability of organizations like NAMBLA, both satirizing and condemning misuse of endorsements, weaponized politics, and societal taboos. The hosts deliver hard truths in their characteristically sharp, comedic voices—leaving no question about their position and creating a memorable morning show moment.

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But then I'm, you know, as all that's going on and I kind of get my distraction. Got the Suns game. I was having some fun with all this stuff and then I come back and I see that NAMBLA has endorsed. Yeah, NAMBLA's a thing. And why can't we stop NAMBLA just on the name. For those of you who don't know, it's the North American Man Boy Love association is. Do they have a loophole? Because they're Canada and Mexico too.

[E]

Can't we ban it because supposedly maybe the the boy part of it is 18.

[A]

No, they're all in on the hood. Oh, it's kids and there's no reason we can't like them. It should be, I don't know, outlawed. I don't know. The North American Man Boy Love association has been popping up and I don't know, it's falsely tied. Like they're saying that Arizona District 4 legislative candidates are getting endorsed by NAMBLA.

[E]

It's NAMBLA.

[A]

Look, if you want Your candidate to win. Just throw out some news that NAMBLA supports your opposition and you're pretty much gonna get there. But every who's gonna ever say, yep, nambla's behind me. It's immediately going to get discounted as. But NAMBLA has to support someone, right? They're nambla, but they're still citizens. So some NAMBLA people have to vote. And for some reason we can't stop NAMBLA like that. Like that can't be. That's not freedom of speech. I guess it is, unless you're acting on it. It's like being in the Klan. You say all the horrible things you want, but as long as you don't do anything or make threats anyway. The political signs near the city line on Phoenix and Scottsdale falsely alleged. Two Democratic state legislative candidates were endorsed by nambla. NAMBLA is a group of people that want to abolish age of consent laws. Whether they're acting on it or not, that's something they have to get caught doing. But they are pretty loud about like this whole 18 year old thing that needs to go in.

[E]

Jeffs.

[A]

Karen Gresham. Yeah. Oh, Warren Jeffs. He just started his own thing. Karen Gresham is running for the State of House. House of Representatives. State House of Representatives. Christine Marsh, running for reelection for the state Senate, told the Republic their respective campaigns were not endorsed by nambla. It's falsely alleged. But what if you are?

[E]

Great news. We got NAMBLA proud boys and goons.

[A]

Edging that phone call. Hello, Representative Marsh? Yes. There's your campaign manager, Dave.

[F]

Hi, Dave. What's going on?

[A]

I got a couple of good endorsements this week. I got the Elect the Brotherhood Electrical Workers. They're in.

[F]

Oh, that's fantastic. That's a great union. I love those guys.

[A]

The Diamondbacks have a couple of players that want to go public with.

[F]

That's fantastic. Hopefully they're starters also.

[A]

Nambla.

[F]

Oh my God. What do we do?

[A]

We'll just claim it's a lie.

[F]

Great idea. What happened? What did I say that made NAMBLA like me?

[A]

God knows what it's we don't know.

[E]

Or it's like, no, we are not doing it. They have $3 million they want to put.

[A]

Yeah, they're in.

[F]

Let's look a little deeper into this Nambler then.

[A]

Yeah. They got 3 million bucks. They want to buy you some signs. As long as they can put their name on it.

[F]

How can we hide that?

[A]

They had nine signs they had been removed in October and more are out there. The signs were found Along Scottsdale Road in the loop 101. But the fake, they're fake political signs. Whoever's doing that, it's probably wildly illegal to do that, right? Gotta be. Yeah, can't mess around. I do have to say, and I forgot his name yesterday. I was driving up 24th street and they got loads of signs just littering the whole road all the way through the Biltmore, all the way up to Lincoln and then Lincoln turns into this trash dump of crap. One dude, and you are a brilliant man, is doing roof recoding. Travis or Trevor, I meant to remember your name, but I was giggling too much and he just put it in the middle there. Roof recoding. Got his phone number on there. I'm like, that's the only one. I saw that. I said that dude, smart, genius. He put him up in all these political signs. It's free advertising. And I'm sure somebody will come by and play. Can't do that. Like you can't just put advertising. Why not? They can. Because if you start that, it'd be non, non stop silliness. But yeah. So there you go. And if you are a member of nambla, hang yourself immediately, please. I don't say that with any sort of joking tone in my body. Hang yourself, NAMBLA member. You're not making a point any of us are with just sit in your weird little basement masturbating with a lava lamp to like Pixar movies and then grab a rope and end it because you aren't part of this. Whatever it is we're doing now, you're done. I don't want them around if you found out. I get people downstairs like, hey, he's a great guy. He's a member of nambla. Like that's an immediate deal breaker.

[F]

I met the best guy ever. He loves it. He likes to dress me up like Little Bo Peep. Oh, yeah, Well, I think that's probably because he's a Nambler, but he's got a great job.

[A]

Wait, back up. What deal breaker?

[E]

You NAMBLA membership a football phone sweatshirt.

[A]

Hold on a second. You give me a football phone, I might sign up. For the first six months I was a member of Ambulance, but it was because of the football phone and I got a T shirt. Oh, Sports Illustrated used to get me every time. Football phone. Forget it. Run to my dad. We got Sports Illustrated. We already get it. Get it again. Double down, let's get two subscriptions. Give me that football phone. And he recognized the football phone was a piece of and wouldn't do it. I didn't. But if NAMBLA started giving away football phones, then endorsed by the NFL, and then they got a whole big old can of worms. You got to get through there. But NAMBLA again, I don't know how you guys have survived this long. You sure have. I heard about nambla in the 80s. It won't go away. And I don't. And then of course, I get this guy says, of course NAMBLA supports the Democratic candidate. See, don't do that. We're not on either. We as Americans can all agree nambla, no matter what their political leanings, don't represent anyone. Can we just go there? Can we not make this about Kamala and Trump and just can we agree on that? NAMBLA might come out for the Democrats, but even the Democrats are like, no, no, no, no, no, we don't want them. Maybe they are. Maybe you do have to look yourself in the mirror and go, am I, am I appealing to nambla? Is NAMBLA hearing me going, great ideas? Because then maybe you've got something that you should probably change about. But I don't know that I've heard any political candidate, whether I agree or disagree with them completely, that makes me think, well, that's pretty NAMBLA ish of them. They're really kind of walking the NAMBLA type or tightrope there. No. And if you are a card carrying NAMBLA member, like, I have my Moose card. I'm a member of the Moose. The lodge, if on there at all, says, NAMBLA meeting Friday. I don't want to be a member anymore. I'm done. I just, I'm out on anything NAMBLA's in on. And that's. And you can use that as a weapon. So I can't imagine NAMBA going out and saying, we support a candidate like that. Seems like a trick and pretty heady of you that, like, you know what?

[E]

I wasn't thinking about joining until they made this move.

[A]

Well, it strikes me as the wacky Republican going out there going, you know, it'd be hilarious. They got drunk, they made signs, and then they just, let's put them out. And they don't like whoever Christine Marsh is. Like, it's probably their neighbor. Probably has nothing to do with politics. Assuming liberal bitches, always calling the HOA on me. And then he put a sign out and he and his friends have it in the garage and they're like, what's that? She's my neighbor. She's running for the House Senate. We should put those up. Okay. And Then they go out and they hammer them in there, and then they giggle like crazy. And it's. It's. There's no way NAMBLA actually steps out and does it, because then they'd have to actually have a meeting to where they said. So let's go to Staples. We'll get them printed up real quick. We can do this. I want to go to Staples with that. Hey, I want these Christine Marsh things sponsored by nambla, the guy. And though you'd have to run Trevor behind the counters, I would have no idea. Trevor might be in on it too. Dude, I'm so there. Christine bruh. Christine Marsh gonna eat my D. And then he prints out 10 of them. These are on the house, bro. You guys are doing God's work.

[D]

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I mean, who talks like that?

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[A]

We put up NAMBLA signs. Yeah, that is. That's for drunks. Only drunk people do that. Hilarious. But yeah, I don't. I don't think that NAMBLA can speak for anyone outside of nambla. And again, that's my political stance. If you're a member of nambla, hang yourself. You are of no value to our nation, and I don't want to hear your argument. Well, I mean, think about it, John. If we lowered the age of consent. Nope. Nope, Nope. No. Nothing good comes from lowering the age of consent. Tell me one positive. Well, you could. Nope. What you're going to say next is bad. No. Nambla? No. Well, that's a pretty strong stance I've taken, and I think the show's behind me. We are firmly against members of nambla. If you are a member of nambla and you're listening, our main reason is.

[E]

So they can vote earlier.

[A]

Get more votes. Now, hold on a second. They gotta send them to war, too. Then a whole bunch of children to war. Unless you've got one of those ratings meters. If you're a member of nambla, leave. But if you are a ratings holder, please, for God's sake, stick around. We all know that all the NAMBLA ratings. People listening to KDKB anyway. Yeah, we're good. We're fine. They weren't listening to this show because I think they can sense that we have that whole age of consent is a good attitude. That's a great path. That age of consent thing seems to be kicking ass. Don't you think they should lower? Now here's what I would argue of age of consent. Oh, it's it should be a sliding scale. I don't like seeing 22 year old guys going to jail for dating a 17 year old. That's gonna be 18 in a couple of weeks. So I think it should move with you, you know what I mean? Like, if you're, if you're under 18, you should only be allowed to date under 18 year olds. If you're like 19, you should be able to date like 16 and up. If you're 20, 17 and up 21, it kicks in at 21 when you start drinking. Then you can't date anybody under 18. It just kind of moves for a couple of years with you because you're still kind of stupid. When I was 19, I still, I looked like I was 12. So, like the only girls that actually liked me were 16 or 17 years old. Couldn't even score with them. It didn't matter. But that was like where my wheelhouse was. Girls who were older than me looked at me like, why would I date him? He's like, the awful. And they were right. Then I kind of manned up a little bit. I grew and I was like, now I can start maybe going after girls my own age. But when I was at Tony Roma's and I was a waiter, the hostesses were the target because they were hot. And they were all like 60, 16 and 17 years old. And I'm 19, that's not so bad. I shouldn't go to jail for that. Let that move. So if NAMBLA's in on sliding scale age of consent, do you want a grade on the curve? Basically, kind of. I actually would like a judge to go. She does look like she's about 24. All right, give him a year in jail. Like, it's not as bad. You don't get the pedophile rap or the, you know, child molester thing.

[E]

Here's the founder, David Thorsted.

[A]

He looks like a pedophile. It's the hair. I could tell you he's a namble. I say that about people and I'm like, every time I drive by PETA Jungle, I'm like, I go in there, but there's a Nambler going in. I point out Namblas all the time. I'm a judgmental prick and I do it constantly. It's how I've survived this long. The age of consent thing has to slide and I think it should go on even further. If you're a woman and you're in your 40s, you should date younger men at all. There should be. They should Flip on them. Like once a lady hits 40 something, she has to date 40 and up. She can't go backward, destroy the life of some young man. Those cougars gonna do that? Right? Stop being cougars because it'll encourage them not to wear those clothes and try to dress like their daughters and stuff. Start dressing age appropriate. You can wear it though, right? 70 year old men, we're not gonna allow you to go anywhere lower than 19. I don't like that. We'll move that up one. We'll move that up once. 18's ridiculous. What's wrong with you? Disgusting pervert. 19 is the line for you women. It's based on your looks. We'll send you to jail. If a parent of a 25 year.

[E]

Old, you have to apply.

[A]

You have to apply with the parents in the state. See, like is she hot enough to. Well, let him bone you once. But this can't be a relationship. Like even Kate Beckinsale. And look at that. She's crazy. Like a woman wanting to date a 20 something year old guy is crazy. Boning him. That's different. Matt Rife and Kate Beckinsale. And would he come out of there. She's crazy. I could have told you that. She wouldn't have boned some 22 year old guy. Dudes, it's a little different. Age appropriate. Because I say a woman in her 40s that wants to just.

[F]

I just want to get laid. And I want a guy who wants to have sex all the time.

[A]

They're out there. They were called your husbands and you stopped boning them. Like they weren't, they weren't out of the game. You decided to dry up for them. The rule has to be. How about this rule? If there is a guy paying you monthly because of the divorce, you can't date anyone three years younger than you until the alimony payments are over. He can't fund your new boy tour. Right. And if you do slip up and bang a young man, the alimony's cut off.

[E]

It's like pursuing a job.

[A]

Part of that kind of.

[E]

Like if you get a job, then the, you know, you get the money as long as you're looking for a job.

[A]

But you cannot look the Cliff Kingsbury. You're under contract.

[E]

Yep.

[A]

But you can't live on this. If you have to seek another job. You can't just rely on the fact that it's guaranteed employment. I like my new rule. If someone's paying you alimony, you can't have a young twink a treat. You can't Have a treat. Same goes for a woman who's paying. It doesn't happen. Never happens. It's a fantasy. But, like, look, if Oprah breaks up with Stedman, he's not allowed to go out and get some teen squish on her dime. Fair. I guess that's a pretty good rule. Like, if Brady gets divorced right now, Ronnie can't go off with some, you know, college junior. Well, he's chilling out a check every month and paying his tuition. And one of Brady's complaints and why this was, was alienation of affection. There was no sex in our relationship. And I got to cut you a check for a couple grand every month while you go out and have all the sex that I was willing to provide you. Just because no deal is off, I'm not paying for your party. I like this rule. So this is my answer to nambla. I don't like the. I don't like that I'm in that group. Kind of like trying to make it better. But this is called logic and reason. Nambo's got to go. Yeah, that's what I say. All right, I think we've made some new rules here. I should run for something, and maybe Namblo would sponsor me and try to ruin my career.

[E]

He got the endorsement.

[A]

Got the endorsement from them. Because I do have the sliding scale of age. But look, if you're 24 and you're dating an 18 year old, that's fine, isn't it, in most people's eyes? But if she's 17, it's against the law. Right? How far do you slide, though? 17. That's what I'm saying. I think the rule is drinking. I think it's a three year gap until you're 21 and then 18. That makes sense. So 19, 16 is the youngest you can go. 18, 15 is the youngest you can go, and that's pushing it. I don't know why you're finding that, but she's got to be pretty special. I was in a house with Stephanie Seymour, and she was 14. She was dating a guy who's 43, and they moved to France together. There are exceptions. Polanski. I'm telling you, Stephanie Seymour at 14 was still. I didn't even know that's who that was until a couple years ago, maybe a year ago. I think I told you that story. She was in our kitchen. What? Just found that out. So, yeah, I think it moves forward. You know, it's debatable. In 16 to 18, 17, 19. You know, one of those things but 21, you gotta start dating. Over 18, drinking is involved, right? Legally. And ladies divorced, collecting alimony. Can't date men younger than them on their ex husband's dime. Fair? Wildly fair.

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