11-28-25 - Listener Angela Says She Just Got Fired For Using Company Resources - Nov 2024 BO

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Holmberg's Morning Sickness – Listener Angela Fired for Using Company Resources

Episode Date: November 28, 2025
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
Listener Story: Angela
Main Theme: The fallout of using work resources for personal reasons and the harsh realities of corporate policies.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Holmberg’s Morning Sickness centers on an email from listener Angela, who shared her recent experience getting fired by a major bank for using company resources (printing her sons’ homework and personal online shopping). The hosts dissect Angela’s situation, discuss the broader implications of corporate cutbacks, the nature of employment audits, and offer career (and life) advice. The episode is packed with characteristic banter, irreverence, and tongue-in-cheek advice, reflecting the show’s signature style.

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1. Angela’s Story: Fired for Printing and Shopping at Work (01:11–09:31)

• Angela’s email (01:11–03:46):

  • Angela details being terminated after an audit revealed her and ten others using company equipment for personal reasons:
    • 100 pages printed of kids’ homework over the year
    • Online shopping on a work computer
    • Signed a paper admitting to using resources, thinking it was minor
    • Immediately terminated; 11 people fired in total
    • Asks hosts for advice, feeling Holmberg “somewhat responsible” since she left teaching based on his advice
  • Quote: “I feel you're kind of responsible for my career track. I don't blame you. I'm just venting.” – Angela [01:26]

• Immediate reactions (03:46–06:02):

  • The hosts are both incredulous and acknowledging:
    • Holmberg: “Wow, they'll can ya for printing some papers that aren't work related. And you should have known better.” [03:38]
    • Joke about the company being right; printing large amounts signals regular abuse.
    • They speculate about employer surveillance or a “rat in the house” tipping off management about Angela’s behavior.
    • Recognition that the climate is cold: large companies sometimes look for reasons to cut staff.

• Insight on Signing Papers During Audits (04:24–06:02):

  • Holmberg shares a personal story about signing a performance audit at a previous job only to be fired:
    • “So anytime bosses come in and hand you a piece of paper that says, here's 12 things you don't do good, I wouldn't sign that right away.” [05:09]
    • Advice: Don’t sign anything under pressure; ask for time to consider.
    • Suggestion: “Let me stew over this. I'm not sure I agree with it.” [05:27]

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2. Advice and Life Lessons for Angela (06:05–08:32)

• Career advice & humor (06:05–08:32):
  • The hosts joke about offering Angela a spot on the show (“Maybe you could come work with us, Angela” [06:00]).
  • Continuing their long-running riff on the worth of teaching:
    • “If you’re in it for the money to teach, you’ve made a terrible mistake.” – Holmberg [07:01]
    • “Nobody wants to hear you scream and yell about wanting more money.” [07:08]
    • “I've probably got seven or eight [teachers] that have told me that listening to me gave them the courage to quit the job.” [07:03]
  • Joking guidance-counselor advice: OnlyFans as a fallback ("I was gonna suggest OnlyFans, but I don't know what you look like..." [07:25]):
    • Hosts riff on Angela's sons, jokingly suggesting her OnlyFans would not go "gangbusters" because “mom” is too busy printing their homework.

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3. Corporate Culture & Fairness (08:32–12:54)

• Office Supplies & Morality (08:32–09:31):

  • Analogy: Letting guests overuse your towels; employers shouldn’t have to monitor supplies, but they do.
  • The hosts suspect the layoffs may have been cost-cutting disguised as “audit outcomes.”

• Productivity & Time-Wasting at Work (11:15–12:21):

  • Holmberg reflects on why management cares about how time is used:
    • “If you're sitting there shopping... why aren't you using that time to be more productive?” [11:35]
    • “If you’ve got time to shop, maybe you're not as good an employee as you thought.” [11:28]

• Corporate Cutbacks and Faceless Management (12:21–12:54):

  • Sympathy for Angela, but acknowledgment of reality: “There are definitely some cutting back on employees.” – Brady [12:21]
  • Joke about management tracking dinner expenses (“…definitely going to have cutbacks based on that dinner we had the other night. I heard what the bill was…” [12:35])

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4. Teacher Pay Rant & Performance-Based Salary (16:26–18:59)

• Teacher compensation and expectations (16:26–18:59):
  • Holmberg unleashes his classic “stop complaining about teacher pay” tirade:
    • “If you go back to teaching, it pays what it pays. Nobody wants to hear you complain about the day.” [17:15]
    • Draws a comparison to highly paid athletes: “Teachers, you're in the same boat as Dak Prescott. If we do this to athletes where we scrutinize their pay by their performance… pay you annually based on your performance… Otherwise, we give it to the cops. How about that?” [17:57]
  • Proposes an absurd solution: pool tax money, let teachers and cops “fight over the pile.”

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5. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “Wow, they'll can ya for printing some papers that aren't work related. And you should have known better.” – John Holmberg [03:38]
• “So anytime bosses come in and hand you a piece of paper that says, here's 12 things you don't do good, I wouldn't sign that right away.” – John Holmberg [05:09]
• “If you’re in it for the money to teach, you’ve made a terrible mistake.” – John Holmberg [07:01]
• “OnlyFans isn’t such a bad idea. But you have to be ready for that.” – John Holmberg [07:23]
• “Work ain't fair. That sucks, and you can get fired for something. Sometimes you have to hang your head and go, they got me. As silly as it seems, they got me.” – John Holmberg [16:26]
• “Stop stealing office supplies. Use your time better.” – John Holmberg [16:41]

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6. Lighter Tangents & Comedic Relief

• Anecdotes about Italian restaurants and real calamari (13:07–15:41)
• Joking about OnlyFans, printing, and embarrassing “mom” moments (16:13–16:26)
• Riffing on company management, dinner expenses, and office rats

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7. Key Timestamps

• Angela’s email read & reactions: 01:11–06:02
• Audit & signing advice: 04:24–06:02
• Teaching as a career & OnlyFans banter: 06:33–08:32
• Productivity, layoffs, and work culture: 11:15–12:54
• Teacher pay debate: 16:26–18:59

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Episode Takeaways

• Corporate America can be harsh and impersonal; small personal uses of company resources can be grounds for termination, especially during cutbacks.
• Employees should be cautious when signing HR documents and should not rush to admit fault without reviewing documents.
• Teaching, the “noble” profession, is not financially rewarding; don’t expect pay to improve despite demands.
• Personal time management at work is scrutinized—if you have time for shopping or personal chores, your productivity may be questioned.
• The show’s advice is both tongue-in-cheek and practical, laced with the hosts’ trademark cynicism and humor.

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For Angela and similar listeners:
Work isn’t always fair, and layoffs sometimes have little to do with individual performance. Don’t use company supplies for personal reasons, be smart about what you sign, and go into teaching (or any profession) for the right reasons—not the money.

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Transcript

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All they show with none of the fluff. Let's get started. There's more of the best of hombres morning sickness. That's ironic that that happens and I get an email about poor employees and you know, reasonable or unreasonable management. Check this out and I feel you'll see why. But I feel somewhat responsible for young Angela's dilemma. Here it says hey Chancellor, quick warning to everyone out there. This is the way the world works now. I was just terminated by my nameless faceless boss at a major banking operation. I have been a great employee. I can say that out loud. Four years after an audit of my productivity it was discovered that a few people in the building had used company time on non company endeavors. For instance, at one point I printed out 100 pages of my kids homework 15 and 17 year old boys in the last year they had monitored that. I also had done some shopping on my computer over the last few months on an app that I have on my work computer. Eleven of us were given papers to sign that said we recognized that we had used the company's equipment and supplies for non related or personal reasons, which amounts to theft of the company's possessions. The company now may garnish my wages so they are reimbursed for the missing supplies or in specific cases they may terminate and prosecute the employee. So thinking it was no big deal, I signed it. You know, some paper. Right after that, two people I've never met before walked into my office and let me go. 11 people have been fired. Corporate America sucks all the way around. I'm one of the teachers that you convinced a few years ago to quit because being a schoolteacher sucks. Oops. And you're right about that. But it's going to be what I have to go back to. I tell you this because I feel you're kind of responsible for my career track. I don't blame you. I'm just venting. Also, since it's been you that I've listened to, why not? Do you have any suggestions about what I should do in the future? Angela? Wow, they'll can ya for printing some papers that aren't work related. And you should have known better. Again, that goes to the theory. What good are kids? They just seem to always be a trouble. And why can't they print their own stuff? In a way your company's got a point. And if you had a hundred pages, that's probably not one report that's getting. You know, every few days you're popping off a few homework pages for your teenage boys. Where's your printer?

[E]

At home throughout the year, I guess. 100 pages.

[D]

Here's the scary part though is that they've been watching you. She's printing again. She's printing stuff that's not. Or you've got a rat in the house. Might have a mouse in the house because somebody might be going over to that printer and going oh, we don't have any paper again. Because Angela won't stop printing her her son's homework. So he might have a rat in the house that ratage out and told the shopping on company time. Yeah, you shouldn't have done it. But boy, getting fired for it.

[E]

It's under those lists like you know, company pens, all the supplies, office supplies.

[D]

And there's truth to that, if you start stealing those a lot and you're the one doing it, they might come in. But the worst thing, I've been part of that before where you've been fired and it's like it's under the guise of an Audit. And they come up and go, we discovered you did this, this, and this. Like, oh, yeah, I could probably be better. I remember that one time I sat down with at Tony Roma's, and the new manager came in. He didn't like me, and I didn't like him anyway, Put a paper in front of me and said, I've just noticed. This is. This is your skill set. This is what you're good at. What do you think you're bad at? I'm like, oh, I got this. I know. I'm going through it. Like, yeah, you're right. I got a few things I could work on. But, yeah, I. You know, I tend to fall into this category. So you would agree in a lot of these cases that this is stuff you're not good at? Like, yeah. And he goes, okay, just sign this audit here, and that says, you agree with this, and then we'll move. We'll move on from there. I'm like, okay, So I scroll my name on there. He takes it and he puts it in, and he goes, you're fired. I'm gonna let you go. I mean, you just. You just conceded to all these things that you're not good at, so we're gonna find somebody else. And I'm like, oh, you mother. I fell for that completely. So anytime bosses come in and hand you a piece of paper that says, here's 12 things you don't do good, I wouldn't sign that right away. My. My suggestion for people in the. In the future is to say, yeah, let me. Let me stew over this. I'm not sure I agree with it. You know, let me. Before I sign this. And if they start saying, no, you got to sign it today. And I'm like, well, I just was kind of overwhelmed by this today, so I'm not real sure, you know, what you're doing. Angela, a suggestion. I don't know if you. If you're a morning person, you know, we got a chair that needs filling for the first 15, 20 minutes for one of our employees decides not to show up. So, I mean, maybe you could come work with us, Angela.

[E]

Get a quick 15.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

If you're. If you're punctual and you're, you know, go get her at first thing in the morning. And you're not just going to sleep the day away. Show up whenever you want.

[E]

You're Italian.

[D]

Yeah, you're. You're Italian.

[F]

You answer to Brett.

[D]

I mean, we really don't want to replace him, but if he's not going to Come. We have to. Angela, suggestions? First off, I'm still proud of you for leaving the teaching profession. It isn't noble and it isn't honorable. It doesn't pay. Period. End of story. And I'm not saying it should. It is what it is. She.

[E]

You know, I know that's what you're saying, but you know, at the same time, they. There's so many job opportunities that back into the teaching.

[D]

Oh, they'll take you.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

But if you're in it for the money, and I see that's my time.

[E]

I would say maybe you were gonna say this, that you can have the pleasure of shopping. You know, it's like, sure, that's a better school.

[D]

Well, yeah. Kind of. Find a school you really want to be at.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

But if you're in it for the money. I've told teachers this for years and I've got probably, I would probably guess seven or eight that have told me that listening to me talk about it gave them the courage to quit the job. If you're in it for the money to teach, you've made a terrible mistake. And nobody wants to hear you scream and yell about wanting more money. Do you deserve it? Maybe. Are you gonna get it? No. I live in reality. I'm not gonna go scream at what I deserve. I'm either gonna get it or I'm gonna accept what I have and move to something else. So going back to teaching is the thing. I was gonna suggest onlyfans, but I don't know what you look like because, I mean, that's a. If I'm your guidance counselor, it sounds like you've struck out major areas. Only fans isn't such a bad idea. But you have to be ready for that. And you have to be prepped and you have to be in shape or you have to have some sort of weird fetish. Angela, I need to know more about you. D [e-mail] Fire over some Angela Banking pictures. Maybe a teacher's post or something like eating an apple or whatever it is. And then we'll. We'll determine your next moves. But as it stands right now, maybe.

[E]

Next to the printer because you like to print a lot.

[D]

I'm guessing you got a 15 and 17 year old boy. Your only fans account isn't gonna go gangbusters. It's killing the reports. I mean, mom. Yeah, yeah. Printing out. Yeah. Trying to flash honey holes for weirdos paying you a dollar a day. In the meantime, you got to print out some of your kids homework. Second what in the world are your kids? What are they? You're a teacher at heart. So you're sitting there going, you know what, let me help you out.

[E]

Yeah, that's why she ends up doing it.

[D]

Yeah, she end up doing. That's the thing she didn't mention. She's probably doing her kids homework and just using company time again. Do I agree with your banking company's ice cold manner in which to do that? And can they afford a few pieces of paper to slide out? Sure. Should they have to worry about that? I mean if you had a house guest that was using up all the towels and he had his own towels, but he'd come over and use your towels in your bathroom, you'd be like, come on. After a while they're like, you know, can we do this? Yes. Do we want to have to? No. So it is a cruddy prerogative that they have over all of us that if you wanted to start doing stuff like that, should have gotten a warning. But I think they were out to can a bunch of people. I think they're making cuts and the factor of a.

[E]

You know, it's just like being the Italian family. If you're an earner, you stay. They, they look at that and like, alright, that's a hundred pages. Let's, let's knock that off.

[D]

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Holmberg's morning sickness. You'll get a knock it off. She said in the thing. She thought she was a really good employer.

[E]

Four years.

[D]

She'd probably been there the least amount of time. So you start looking at who's not been here very long and who's not produced and what's going on here. You're shopping. Maybe you're not as good as an employee as you thought. You got time to shop, you got. You're not taking time. This sounds bad. This sounds like I'm one of those, I kind of am one of those people that says on your company time, if you're sitting there shopping or doing whatever it is a boss would say, why aren't you using that time to be more productive in something that you're not getting? Like the why and maybe. And here's the thing I used to get mad at when I'd watch somebody scramble for time. But then when they're not scrambling for time, they're doing something stupid like constantly smoking or they're, they're, you know, on their computer drawing. I'm like, well, you could be not. You're going to scramble at 5:00'. Clock. You're going to start running around like there's enough hours in the day and I'm watching you wasting time. So if you're, you might be one of those people that they see that way. I don't know. Sorry, this sucks.

[E]

There are, there is definitely some cutting back on employees. And unfortunately, you know, I'm sure that went down that we're gonna have to let you go and give you the reasons here. You sign this company, cut back, and then the guy goes, come on. Oh, yeah, I've got that 5, 30 oceans, 44.

[D]

Dinner with you. That was the best one for us. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're definitely going to have cutbacks based on that dinner we had the other night. I heard what the bill was. It was huge. Bigger than I thought. Meanwhile, Thriller will come in here later this morning a little wobblier because he's had to give his plasma to make bills.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Got a plasma up. Meanwhile, I had a. An 85.8ounce piece of meat. That's a reasonable price.

[E]

I just saw a thing about the.

[D]

Cheapest steak, by the way, you. And I ordered the cheapest steak, which is the eight ounce fillets. Everybody else got those hundred and ninety dollars butcher's cuts.

[C]

All.

[D]

Almost everyone. Tripp had like an octopus flown in. Did you see his meal? I don't know what that I asked him.

[E]

I'm like, what are you eating? An octopus.

[D]

Octopus. What's on it? Octopus stuff. And it was. It was just like a blob of octopus in his.

[E]

With all that ink.

[D]

I love octopus. I just hard to. It's hard to trust the order. I like squid, but there's like real octopus. Oh, I remember I was in Chicago in an Italian restaurant. I always thought calamari came that way. I didn't know how they made it. And this was the calamari.

[F]

It's officially from America.

[D]

We are. So you're gonna love a calamari. I'm like, okay. It was the arm of the octopus, uncut. You had to slice off the circles. So evidently it's hollowed out or something. And it's like rubber. And you just. And it's covered in its own ink. And I'm cutting with a knife like cheese slices that are like now little circles. And it wasn't deep fried or anything. It was just straight up gummy octopus. Put it in my mouth. I mean, it was basically. It would be like if, you know, cannibals just chopped an arm off and started eating it. That's what it looked like. An octopus's arm. Had the suckers on the bottom and everything. I don't know if they boil it or what. Didn't even lose color. Still purple.

[E]

Boil it, fry it up.

[D]

They didn't fry it in anything. If they dropped it in a deep fryer, it was raw. It came out with no breading, which I'm this isn't a calendar. And the guy even told me, you're not at the Isle of a Garden. This is the authentic way to go. And I didn't. That's when I learned the difference between the Mediterranean Italian and the. The Brett. The fat nuts and bolts, pasta and sauce Italian. The Mediterranean ones grab stuff straight out of the water and put it in their mouths. They eat a lot of fish and they don't do much with it. You're going to love. What do we do? I'm like, where's the. Where's the sauce? Woody, you crazy? What is Mediterranean Italian? Hey, the man. I'm like, no, no, there's. They're like noodle.

[F]

Where are the noodles?

[E]

And the things I expected, they come out just after the little. And it's a little side thing. It's like five course. Then it gets into the squid fish.

[D]

What that? Oh, not me. That was the starter and it was disgusting looking. Eat it. And you're like, God damn it. You feel like you're in like the. You know that scene from that movie where you make the terror movie where they make monkey brains and they just beat up the monkey right there at the table.

[E]

Faces of Death.

[D]

Because you're eating something that has just recently passed away. This was a brand new octopus arm.

[E]

I recall going back, the people were laughing and enjoying themselves.

[D]

Oh, yeah, from the Faces of Death when they beat the monkey with the thing.

[E]

It's in the center of the table.

[D]

His head sticking out. That was. Yeah, that was awful. Yeah, but there you go. Anyway, sorry, Angela, we got distracted. Yeah, 15 and 17 year old sons. Let's be realistic here. About the only fan. Probably not gonna make much money there. Teaching is a better option.

[E]

And the times that you want to do stuff too.

[D]

Mom.

[F]

You done in there?

[D]

Put your pants on. I need to print some stuff.

[C]

Gee.

[D]

Work to print it yourself.

[F]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know my name was Hewlett Packard.

[D]

I need your help. Hold on, everybody. I have to put some pants on and go print out a history report for Trevor because he's not able to work the printer at his own. Mom, shut up. I'm talking to your new dad. Oh, gross. There's nothing worse. Probably. I don't know. This hasn't happened to me and I'm surprised it hasn't. But nothing worse than in the middle of a full out like Onlyfans beat down and you hear mom right in the middle. Oh, God. Click. X. Where's the. Where's X? X? Angela, I'M looking for you to. First off, two things you need to learn here. Work ain't fair. That sucks, and you can get fired for something. Sometimes you have to hang your head and go, they got me. As silly as it seems, they got me. I did do all that stuff. And you signed that paper. Second, stop stealing from the office. Let that lesson be a thing that also comes from your teaching days. Because I hear you teachers always complaining about how you have to buy your own office supplies and stuff. There's no question all teachers, if they can, won't try to steal some stuff around the office to not have to go over to Walgreens and buy more things. So you're all, deep down, trained to be thieves? A little bit. But, yeah, stop stealing office supplies. Use your time better. And if you go back to teaching, it pays what it pays. Nobody wants to hear you complain about the day. Plus, and this goes for all you teachers, 50th place, you just got a raise. You see what's happening with Dak Prescott? He just got a raise. Doesn't look too good, does it? And now everybody's like, well, what did we give him all that money for? Should we have given him a teachers? You're in the same boat as Dak Prescott. If we do this to athletes where we scrutinize their pay by their performance because they were saying, I deserve this. It's a business. It's a business. We gave you more money, and you guys did worse. It's not our fault. Like, wait a second. You said red for red. If we invested in you. But it's the. It's. I say we pay you annually based on your performance. A sliding scale. Start kicking ass. We start coming to 40th place, everybody gets a bonus. Otherwise, we give it to the cops. How about that? There's fairness right there. Cops and teachers are always the ones they don't get paid enough. They have a big pile of tax money. Whoever does a better job at the end of the year gets the pile. Oh, teachers and cops fighting over the pile. I'd pay for that.

[E]

But in the immediate time, like, for. Maybe there's an opportunity, like, you get to work right away, help count the rest of these votes.

[D]

Yeah, maybe. Angela, go down there and see if we can finish up Arizona's 1830s election. Boy, our abortion law was in the 1800s. So's counting the votes to pass it. Are they still not done?

[E]

No, I don't think so.

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