Podcast
Hope in Source
Hosted by Henry Zhu · EN
What are the parallels between faith and open source software? Join Henry Zhu for an off-the-cuff conversation between friends. Check out hopeinsource.com and nadiaeghbal.com/public-faith for the backstory!
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Words are Totems (of Etymology)
Mar 2800:53:52Tap to summarizeWhat happens when we treat language as a historical totem? Xiq walks with me at UBC campus for https://atmosphereconf.org! We discuss swarms of AI fairies, openness and game theory, hyperstition and psychomagic, the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, and why thinking heaven is boring is a failure of imagination and misunderstanding of the infinite.
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Mar 2801:21:47Tap to summarizeWhat does it mean to build an infrastructure for play? Brendan Schlagel and I trace a path around the lake in Prospect Park, chatting about generational mementos, tracing maps, a pattern language for games, riding ferries, physical constraints, and the idea of a depth jam (Recorded June 2025)
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Snow is a Commons (Melody Kim)
Mar 501:19:44Tap to summarizeCan snow itself be like open source? Just a fun thought while walking around talking about openclaw and seeing everyone's creations.. all on a impromptu prospect park sauntercast with Melody after last week's blizzard! (titled after Illich's essay, Silence is a Commons) 0:00 highlights0:38 route and intro2:47 two weeks offline4:44 open claw and open source11:10 into the snow14:06 the xkcd dependency comic23:48 tragedy of the commons25:49 200K stars and eternal September33:40 everything was fine39:27 go back to just being people42:19 striving versus being45:54 wu wei49:16 audience of one56:36 Spotify broke the album1:06:42 foreground will never be replaced1:10:47 temporal bandwidth
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Salience (Sonya Mann)
Feb 801:50:07Tap to summarizeWhat makes something call out to us? Sonya and Henry explore how prayer transforms perception: ceaseless prayer, the felt body, sacred patterns, remembrance in communion, the invisible church spread through all time, and the holy mystery we're part of. (Recorded October 2020)Transcript at https://hopeinsource.com/salience0:00 Ceaseless Prayer2:37 Creation6:44 What Is Salience?10:35 The Ordinary as Extraordinary15:20 Patterns as Language19:34 The Felt Body27:19 Remembrance34:19 Embodiment37:44 Shape All the Way Down43:05 Beyond Our Concepts46:08 Eucatastrophe52:21 Praise and Prayer1:03:31 The Invisible Church1:11:55 Grace and the Fall1:17:05 No Ordinary People1:34:21 The Leap of Faith1:45:06 Holy Mystery
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Internet Checkpoint (Melody Kim)
Feb 700:49:59Tap to summarizeWhat happens when anyone can build anything? Melody and I snapshot this AI moment for us: vibe coding as gambling, understanding debt, McLuhan's extensions and amputations, building for community not companies, and why culture is really about cultivation.0:00 Internet Checkpoint (what it means + why we're recording)3:29 Why This Felt Urgent8:03 The Vibe Coding Journey (printers → force push → Claude Code)12:03 Why It Feels Like Gambling14:03 How the Design Process Has Changed15:26 Abstraction All the Way Down16:56 "The Hottest Programming Language Is English"18:14 The Faucet Turned On22:55 Will AI Replace Us?27:15 McLuhan: Extension and Amputation30:05 "The Seed Needs to Be High Quality"34:30 Orchestration and Human Judgment35:46 Building for Community, Not Companies39:58 Culture, Belief, and What Makes Us Human42:32 "There Is No Inevitability"48:52 The Checkpoint
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An Ordinary Walk (Laurel Schwulst)
Jun 1301:40:07Tap to summarizeCan a conversation have a sense of place? Laurel and I take a stroll through Central park on Memorial day: chatting about the idea of a walking podcast, sauntering, voice notes, memory, the romance of distance, physicality, screenshots, printers, embodiment, energy, perception, ultralight, ordinary time. Something NEW to listen for: the birds, dogs, cars, shoe tying, and even a lady asking us to take a picture! I certainly felt both the messiness and the surprise of being outside! Please check out the site https://sauntercast.henryzoo.com to follow our walking path!- (00:00) The Birth of a Walking Podcast- (03:01) Exploring the Concept of Footnote- (06:09) The Role of Voice Notes and Memory- (08:54) Capturing Ambience and Context- (12:00) The Challenge of Finding Notes- (15:04) Romanticizing Distance and Connection- (17:48) Art, Memory, and Public Spaces- (21:00) Desire Paths and Unplanned Journeys- (23:58) Screenshots as Time Capsules- (29:52) Exploring the Energy of Language- (32:20) The Meaning Behind Screenshots- (34:04) The Art of Printing Memories- (36:52) The Journey of Receipt Printers- (39:00) Layering Meaning in Screenshots- (40:40) Walking the Internet, A New Perspective- (47:40) Infrastructure and Awareness- (51:01) The Energy of Open Source- (58:50) The Evolution of Podcasting and Seasons- (59:56) Understanding Open Source Philosophy- (01:03:00) The Concept of Lightness and Ultralight- (01:06:02) Art, Design, and Limitations- (01:08:56) Games as a Medium for Creativity- (01:12:03) The Importance of Rest and Time- (01:14:59) Exploring Ordinary Time in Life- (01:18:00) Creating Meaningful Spaces and Memories
Transcribe →The Façade of Control (Melody Kim)
May 9, 202500:46:13Tap to summarizeDoes technology give us control or the illusion of it? We explore how societal expectations, the nature of work, and AI challenge what it means to be human, contrasting the allure of self-sufficiency with the call to vulnerability.Transcript: https://hopeinsource.com/facade/[05:18] Work Beyond the Title[08:29] Unpredictability and Decision Frameworks[11:02] Allure of Control[13:35] Personhood[16:18] Self-Control[17:26] Self-Perception[19:58] Technological Coping[22:56] Deliberate Choices[24:37] Unexamined Accelerationism[28:01] The Proximity of Care[30:56] Self-Sufficiency and Vulnerability[33:08] Engineering Out Discomfort[35:43] Hidden Labor[42:26] Finitude
Transcribe →Unpacking Belief (Joseph Choi)
Feb 17, 202500:43:46Tap to summarizeWhat does it really mean to call yourself anything? Joseph Choi begins to explore his ongoing journey of faith deconstruction, reconstruction, and whatever it is now. But we end up through about the anxieties around labeling one's beliefs, between commitment and optionality, and abundance and scarcity mindsets.Transcript: https://hopeinsource.com/unpacking(01:04) Labels and Their Limits(04:21) The Trap of Infinite Options(07:06) Beyond Idols(09:42) Marriage as Compounding Interest(13:06) Reconciling Lenses on Truth(16:10) Abundance as a Heavenly Mindset(19:45) The Importance of Embodiment(23:07) Pharisees to Heretics(26:45) Parables, Miracles, and Game Theory(35:54) Organizational Structures
Transcribe →Sacred Charity (Austin Chen)
Aug 28, 202400:33:44Tap to summarizeHow does rationality/ea and faith intersect? Austin Chen joins me to explore the overlaps between Catholic upbringing and EA principles. We discuss his car wash story, tithing/earning to give, the concept of utilons and fuzzies, creating secular liturgies like Taco Tuesday, the tension between being agentic and the savior complex, on rest and waiting, and seeing the uniqueness of each person amidst the systems we create. (Recorded May 2024) Transcript: https://hopeinsource.com/charity(00:00) - Jewish Culture and Rationalism(00:57) - Growing up Tithing(02:16) - Car washing for missions to earn to give(03:49) - Ebbs and Flows(05:32) - How far does a dolllar go(08:49) - Separate your utilons and fuzzies(09:55) - Assumptions in value(11:24) - EA as at it's best a meta-framework?(13:18) - Friends vs Movements(15:42) - Continual commitment(18:56) - Babel and Pentecost(20:16) - The Mystical Body and Taco Tuesdays (24:23) - Agentic or Salvific(26:08) - Humility of Sabbath(28:22) - Efficiency and Waiting(29:49) - Hope is trusting in people(32:06) - Knowledge Progression, Loose Structure
Transcribe →Right Feeling (Sonya Mann)
Aug 9, 202400:47:23Tap to summarizeHow does faith call us to both right action and right emotion? Sonya Mann joins me again to discuss the layered meanings of biblical parables. Some themes I liked: the paradoxical nature of faith, the generousity of God, the interplay bt obligation and grace, freedom within constraint, the parable of workers in the vineyard and talents, lay utilitarianism, the nature of praise, phenomenology in faith, the metaphor of weddings, viserality and the flesh, specificity, sacred modes, acceptable woo, cheap grace. (Recorded October 2020) Transcript: https://hopeinsource.com/feeling(00:00) - Right Feeling (Sonya Mann) (02:30) - Come to the table: God's generosity (05:21) - Orthopathos: a change of heart (08:53) - Freedom and Responsibility within the Body (12:42) - On obligation: asking something of you (15:41) - The freedom of the woodcarver (18:36) - formative moments of intimacy (22:37) - integrating with tradition, Christian art, Kanye (25:37) - Archaic on the outside, Alive inside (27:34) - Fruits: the form of faith (30:18) - Auras: acceptable woo and phenomelogy (33:25) - Sacredness as a mode of being (37:26) - Communities of praise (40:05) - One can't help but laugh (41:34) - cheap grace, coming prepared for the wedding (44:09) - A vibration throughout the whole stack ★ Support this podcast ★
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