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What is going on? Typically, the voice you hear at the start of this is that of Chip Brown. However, our fearless leader, the veteran of the group. He is on the DL. He's battling off a. I shouldn't say battling off. I mean he's recovering, rehabbing, feverishly. Rehab, rehabbing a knee replacement. So Chip will be back next week. In place of the traditional flagship podcast format, you've got myself, Eric Cameron joined alongside David Eckert. And we're going to do a little concept called four downs around the 40 acres. Dave, first off, before I explain the concept, some people may be familiar, some may not be familiar. How you doing this week, man? How's it going?
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I'm doing good. Happy to be back in Austin. You know, when, when the cat's away, the mice will not mention Tampa Catholic High School.
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And will not mention the pride of what's that city again.
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We, we love you, Chip. We hope you're, you're listening. We hope you, we hope you're feeling better. Chip.
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We, we love you. You know, we got to give you a hard time when you are away. Okay, so the four downs concept. Four Downs was a column that I had written previously where I would tackle four topics around the 40 acres. What we're kind of hoping to do is merge that into a bit of a video concept where we'll just kind of rapid fire about two, two and a half minutes each topic between myself and Dave, just four topics around takers that are pressing or in the news. And of course one of the things won't make this, it won't make this its own topic, but we feel it's only right to acknowledge off top Texas or Texas football, excuse me, earned a commitment from three star defensive tackle Tyler Alexander. So stay tuned around session. Stay tuned around but follow horns 24 7. 247 sports. Zach Blowstein does a great job covering the Sunshine State. He's our national recruiting analyst covering Florida. So he has all of the coverage of that recruitment and we what that means for Texas football. I will try to follow with a quick piece as far as what that means for the room going forward, not just in 2027, but in years to come. So stay tuned for more of that, but we'll dive right into our first down. So I will kick it off going here to Dave. First down come. Kind of modeled off of my 12 question series where I just kind of tackle a question that faces Texas football throughout the off season. Just biting our time slowly but surely. Dave, we are getting to media days and all things football here, but, you know, gotta. Gotta address a couple things. And one of the questions I tackled was who could be an offensive sleeper that could break out for Texas football. Dave, what do you got?
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This is hard in the sense that I think that they've got a lot of established players. So it's kind of hard to say, hey, like, you know, there's just not, not that many candidates for guys who haven't broken out yet. But I'm going to go with Michael Massunas. I think he's a. He's a really complete tight end. You know, I think his fit just because of his size, right? 6 foot 5, 257 pounds. We know that he's an excellent blocking tight end. That's kind of why they got him. And Texas is kind of finding or they say that they're finding. We'll see if this holds true that, you know, he seems to be a little bit more. More of a threat in the past game as a pass catcher than maybe that they expected. And so that to me indicates, hey, you know, this is a guy who can give you a little bit more than, than maybe you thought and, you know, maybe he's going to be on the field potentially on, on a close to every down basis instead of like, all right, we're running the football, here comes Michael Masunis. So I think he's an interesting one and a guy who could expand on what he was good at at his previous school. So I'm going to go with him. Eric, what do you think?
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You know, before I give my answer, and if you of course read the piece, I know you would know who my answer is. But kind of address what you said on Michael Massunas. It's interesting, right, Because I can't remember. I don't think it was Steve Sarkeesian who said this. I think it was another. I think it was an opposing coach kind of talk about, you don't want to have offensive tells, right? You don't want to have, okay, this guy's in the game we know we're running, this guy's in the game. They're leaning towards pass. You kind of want to have those dual threats, and that's something that Texas has been able to have, you know, pretty consistently, at least in the time I've covered Texas in the tight end room. Right. J.T. sanders, as good as J.T. sanders was, was probably the. Probably the. The least of a dual threat.
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Right.
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He was kind of guy. You knew JT Was coming in, right. You're probably going to see him as a pass catcher. Gunner Helm kind of held that role as the blocker. So I do buy what you're saying, that if Texas is going to bring in a tight end, they're hoping to have someone who's multifaceted. I still kind of Nick Townsend, you know, I still think he's the guy to kind of watch because of everything he presents offensively and everything he can give you in terms of being athletic. But we'll see. I mean, Madison, you know, listen, you were out there for spring ball, right? He is a big boy and he looked like a defensive lineman.
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Is it Masonis?
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Is it Massunus? What do we get? You know what? Massunus, let's go.
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I haven't heard Sark said Massunas, but as we've established, that doesn't necessarily mean that's what it is.
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So we'll get that pronunciation guide here about another six, seven weeks. The name I'm going with, Dave, is Sterling Burkhalter. You know, he's a guy who, if you know Steve Sarkeesian, you know Texas football. Steve is very particular about the wide receiver spot.
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Right.
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He wants guys in there that he trusts. That's why it's been hard for freshman receivers to get on the football field. Right. You can go back to even the class with Jonte Cook. Ryan Niblet, of course, is still around, but he's been a jack of all trades. You know, Deandre Moore, obviously was the guy in that class who eventually broke out. And, and you can take a look. You know, he had the Kali Glockett, Jamie French, dating McCutcheon class last year. Right. Well, you know, dating McCutcheon was the guy who broke out, but it is hard for freshman receivers to see the field. The reason I lead with that is I think everyone, when you kind of look at the receiver room past what we believe is going to be the top three, right? Ryan Wingo, Emmett Mosley, of course, Cam Coleman. The name that comes up is Jermaine Bishop.
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Right.
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I. I think there is room for Jermaine Bishop as far as that backup slot. But, heck, you've been to all the press conferences like I have. You've heard the way that Chris Jackson and Steve Sarkeesian has talked about Sterling Burkhalter. I thought one of the things when I went back and listened to some of the audio was Chris Jackson saying, hey, he's a guy who, in terms of functionality, I just put him out there. Can he go play? The answer is yes. Right. He did say there are some things he needs to work on. And when you kind of do a deep dive inside the numbers and it gives you a little bit of pause. Drops. He had four drops and 50 targets last year. It's a drop rate of 11.8% is what Pro Football Focus has it at. That's the exact number that Ryan Wingo is termed in terms of percentage. Right. Ryan had seven drops over 90 targets. So, you know, four and 50. That's not great, especially if you're a third leading receiver. You want to see the third leading receiver, wake Forest. You want to see that guy hauling more targets. But, but all in all, I, I, I just, just from the sound of things, it sounds like Sterling Burkhalter could be a guy who breaks out. So that'd be good if you got
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a quick, yeah, I'm with you on him. Just because it's very clear that they trust him. Right. He came from the same offense. He knows what they're doing. I mean, that's, that's, that's a big hurdle to overcome, especially when you're talking about young guys. Right. Like, you know, he's probably not as physically gifted as some of the younger players that were, that we're talking about, but he clearly has an understanding of the offense that you're trying to run. And when you're talking about backups and guys that you kind of just need to go in there for a spell. Trust is a really big thing and he knows what he's doing. So. Yeah, I think, I think I'm with you on that.
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No, Dave, that's an excellent point. I hadn't even considered that. Right. That just, you know, if you need someone to go in there in a pinch.
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Right.
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That's probably the reason why a lot of freshmen don't see the field immediately. It's not that they aren't more talented, it's just they don't have it up here yet. Right. They're just still learning it. So, so it's excellent. Point. Second down, you're up.
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Back all Right. Second down, John Meredith commits to Texas football. Eric, thoughts, opinions? What does this mean for Texas?
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Yeah, you know, can I throw a bit of a curveball out of it? And I'm not asking to respond to this immediately, but I, the first thing that came to mind is this, right? John Merritt, of course, the nation's number one overall as we are getting a, a text here from an exec. So I'll, I'll forward that to Eck here when I, when he's talking. But one of the Texas gets a commit from the number one overall cornerback recruit in the nation. Of course that's a guy you're expecting to play, right? I mean five star across the board. But it also makes me think, right, that now allows for Texas a position room under Mark Orfeh that doesn't have a ton of veterans, you know, past this year. Right. The guy who is slated to exhaust his eligibility is Bo Masco. Right. Outside of that, you know, we're hearing some things. You know, Kobe Black could be a guy who plays different position, could possibly play safety, could possibly play nickel. I, I think whether it's Cade Phillips or, you know, just a lot of the guys you have on the roster currently, I think it's really interesting what the curveball we're throwing at you is this, are we viewing Jermaine Bishop as two way player?
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Right.
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Because then I think that gives you a measure of flexibility. If you have that bona fide lockdown guy, right, that, you know, hey, one side of the field is truly taken care of, then maybe you can play around with Jermaine Bishop a couple of snaps here or there on the opposite side at corner or at nickel. That was one of the things that, that crossed my mind. But overall, huge commitment. I, I think Eck, you know, more than anything else, recruiting people tend to sometimes see that number and panic, right. They say Texas number 26 overall in the nation of recruiting. I'm like, guys, you know, it's A, it's early in the game and B, Texas has a track record of doing this. You know, I, I, I'm not trying to carry the water for Brandon Harris and Steve Sarkeesian. They do have a track record of getting commitments through the summer and quite frankly during the season. Right. Getting some flips as well. So not stunned. Big time, big time commitment for the Horns. What you got, Eric?
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Yeah, they move late, you know, but yeah, you know, I'm not someone who really invests like in the day to day of the recruiting grind. We have a lot of really good People who do that. But when I saw this, you know, looking, looking through, he's their first commitment from the top five in the state of Texas in 2027. You know, and if, if you're the Longhorns, I think it's really important that you're represented within that group. Right. You know, the OU's, but now the Texas Techs of the world are, are invested and you know, threats to land those guys. And so if you're, if obviously the Aggies who were competing with, with Texas for John Meredith down to the wire are, you know, obviously expected to be in that group as well. But I just think it's really important to get in that group and you know, establish yourself that hey, this, you know, Texas considers itself and is the flagship program in this state and you've got to land the top kids, you know, in, in the state if you're going to, if you're going to maintain that status. So to me, I think it's kind of a little bit of like a flag planting because you just got to be in that group if you're Texas, you have to be. And obviously he's an incredibly talented player. I agree with you. I think he's a guy who could compete. You know, you never, you never know. But he's a guy who could compete from day one, you know, looking at, looking at some of this film and he's a cover guy, you know, he's, he's a guy with elite cover skills. That's what all of the, the, you know, 2, 47 analysts, 247 analysts who are really good at, at their job are saying about him. So I think he's really a really exciting piece and, and a massive recruiting win for Texas that I think they really had to have to be honest.
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I want to ask you this and I'm trying to quickly pull up the state rankings here. I'm going to do it on, on the fly while I'm talking to you, but you brought up an interesting point, right, about Texas needing to be able to get those recruiting wins in, in the state of Texas. Right. And as I pull up the list here, the example I'll use is Jalen Brewster, right, The five star defensive tackle. Here we go. I've got the list pulled up for those who don't know and I'll kind of write it down. Right. So Texas now has the number ranked player in the state of Texas, John Meredith. Jalen Brewster is committed to Texas Tech. You've got offensive tackle Israel. Israel Ishmael. Excuse me, Kamara who is undecided. Landon Williams, callous running back as four stars. Undecided. But then you go Jaquan Snell, a safety, a M. Cooper Whitten. Okay. All right. I. I don't think I need to explain the name to you there. The last name there. So he's. He's headed to ou. So that's a pass, right? Cameron hall, number seven, is heading to Texas. Defensive edge and the Texas. Then you got Sarad Baker, Jihad Nelson, Kennedy, Brown, 8, 9, and 10, tech, tech a M, respectively. And then Greedy James at number 11 going to Texas. It is interesting. I mean, I think that the fact that there's. The fact that Texas has had such success over the past three years, but of the top 11, they have, I guess, three of the top 11.
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Right.
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What does that say to you? Because I don't think that's necessarily bad. I just think the way my. I read it is, it's nil. It's the era we're in. It's not just wins and losses, but. What do you think about that?
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Yeah, I think. I think it's a few things. It's. It's nil. But it's also. It's important to land these kids. But I think it's maybe a little bit less important than it was five years ago. Because, you know, if you're Texas, you have to choose between spending your resources on proven commodities in the transfer portal on a yearly basis or spending your resources on guys who you hope get here and develop the way that you would like. Okay. And so you have to strike that balance. But something that's interesting, I would like to go back and look at, I guess, the recruiting impact of the way that Texas Tech is spending its money on Texas and the other, I guess, more traditional power schools who are getting these kids. Right. Like, it'd be interesting to analyze what percentage they're getting and whether or not that's. That's changed since tech started throwing its money around the way that it has. So maybe that's a story idea that I can. I can crank out. But. No, I'm with you. That. That just screams nil as a little bit of a leveler. You know, it's every. You know, everybody's got money to spend, so, especially in Texas. And, you know, you pick your guys and. And you use your resources the way that you think is best.
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All right. No doubt about that. I will say, in terms of, you know, that story idea, just knowing where Lubbock, Texas is, and I'm not the guy to take a cheap shot at Lubbock. I would presume to guess that it's a little easier to get folks out there with a little bit of nil money. Those two in the past. But go third down here. I'll pitch this one today. Third down, Nolan Kane leaves for Texas A M. Plus Texas baseball transfer editions. Dave, what you got?
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Yeah, that was that. I mean that came as a surprise to everybody, the Nolan Kane thing. I mean, I get the sense that Texas was very surprised by this. I don't, I don't think Texas was given a chance to counter the offer that Nolan Kane got for, for Texas A and M. So it just kind of happened. He said, hey, you know, I'm leaving. Wasn't really a negotiation from, from the sense that I get. So yeah, that, that's really interesting. He's a guy who just. He really matters, right? He's one of the best recruiting assistants in college baseball, if not the best, honestly. And, and so for him to, to go is, is a massive, massive, massive deal for Texas. And you know, they're, they're really going to have to nail his replacement because like I said, he's just crucial. You know, we're kind of still waiting to see what that replacement is going to look like, what that plan looks like for I guess reorganizing the staff here. Jim Schlossnagel hasn't had to do this since he got here, right? His, his three assistants, right, have been Nolan Kane, Max Wiener and Troy Tulowitzki. Those have been his guys. So kind of a new thing, I guess for him. And yeah, probably, probably not a positive. But better news for Texas, they've gotten a couple of. Of transfers in the last couple of days that I, that I really like. Ian Armstrong, catcher from St. Mary's I think is just extremely well rounded. He hit over 350 with 16 homers for the gals last year and just elite defensive metrics on him as well. So I think he's going to be a really big addition. Then they add Sawyer Solitaria from, from Kent State, who is probably more of an upside play. 6 foot 5, 225 pounds, has really, really, really good exit velocity metrics. Only hit 294 in the Mac, or maybe it's 296 in the Mac, which isn't great, but he had 16 homers and I think, you know, with, with the underlying numbers, I think a lot of programs, Texas included, really thought that he was a guy that they could maybe train up a little Bit and then fix, fix the swing a little bit and get the best out of. So he's somebody I expect to start in the outfield for Texas next spring. Eric, what do you think?
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Eric, before I kind of give a quick thought, you know, appreciate our guy Chris Bennett as always. CB always watching whenever there is anything Longhorns related. You know, CB is going to be watching. He's got a bit of a hot take. So I'm going to pull our question down here and then go with CB's Hot Take your thoughts on this.
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I could see it. I could, I could certainly see it. It's interesting because I, I've been seeing.
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Hang on one second. David. For those of you listening on audio, I should have called it out or the comments because Chris Bennett, the comment Chris Bennett left is Nolan Kane will be the Aggies head coach. Book. Okay, go ahead.
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It's interesting though because it's like I've seen this a lot. Right. Like and is the best way to position for yourself for that job to go on a staff that you know, might get lose its head coach? You know what I mean? Like it, they already made one internal hire. You know, if this scenario plays out, that internal hire will have failed. Okay. Are you gonna make another one? I don't know. I don't know. That's tough. So, yeah, maybe I could see it would not surprise me.
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Yeah. I mean, I'll say this before I kind of address the questionnaire. Third down is I, I don't know how you feel. I don't think Mike Earl has done a bad job. I mean, I, I know, yeah, I, I, I know things were a little rocky, of course that, you know, kind of start year one. But I don't think he's done a, a bad job. So I, I, I understand where CB's coming from. Right. It's kind of a play. It's like, hey, let me kind of get myself in position. But I don't know. We'll see. In terms of Nolan Kane leaving, it's interesting to hear you say that. It was, it was out of the blue, right. Because Jim Schlossnagle has been a guy who at least in, in like you mentioned, they've had staff continuity the time he's been here, right. It's been a short time. But the time he's been here, they've had staff continuity and Schloss is at least to me seemed like a guy who's been able to kind of get guys to follow him to go wherever it is that he has Been Right. And Nolan Kane's a guy that he's referred to. I went back and look at the transcripts. Not even or not just in his introductory press conference at Texas, but at A M he's used the same phrase. He's been our glue guy. Right. So that to me is super interesting. Dave noted the, the impacts of him as a recruiter and Texas certainly has done a good job, I'd say really good job in terms of recruiting and upping the talent over the past few years coming out of high school and etc, the transfer portal. So some definitely think it's a loss. It'll be interesting to see how they, they replace it. The thing I want to say in terms of the baseball commitments and of course being fully transparent. Right. Eck has taken over the baseball beat. So I've been a little plugged out. It's been kind of, of focusing on other things. But I, I remember Jim Schlossnagel and you may remember this too. I want to say this was year one when Georgia came to Austin and Schloss talked about, you know, just how much he likes, you know, a big powerful team, right. That Georgia, you know, they, they, they, they passed the eye test when you get off the bus. Right. And something I noted in two of the three guys, of course, Ian Armstrong, six 180 pound catcher. But is it Solitaria? Is that the pronunciation?
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I was going with Solitaria. I haven't heard it said so I don't know.
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But okay, we'll go with Solitaria. Solitaria and Lincoln Garcia. Both big six four, six five guys. Yeah, that's, that's not a coincidence, is it?
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No, no. And I, I think Ian Armstrong's gonna have to add some weight when he comes here. Yeah. But yeah, it's, it's. I mean that's the meta in the sec, you know, I mean Georgia, you look at Georgia, I mean Texas A and M does this like there it's just, hey, get huge guys who can hit the ball out of the ball. I mean it's, it's, it's. The formula is not a secret. So. Yeah, 100. You know, it's interesting like when Oregon came here for the super regional, right. Jim Schlossnage was like that's an SEC team because they're huge. You know, and so that tells you right there if you want to compete in the sec, you got to be big, you got to be physical because everybody else is. So. Yeah, I think you nailed it there.
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All right, fourth down.
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All right, fourth down Crystal Conte's investment in women's sports. What do you think, Eric?
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You know, this is. So we had the opportunity to talk to Crystal Conte at SEC spring meetings. And I really am kicking myself, EK because so much of the conversation was around, you know, the downfall of college athletics. Right. And, and for those of you who don't know, I think I put up, you know, a couple seconds of Crystal Conte scrum. That was by far the biggest scrum of any ad.
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Right.
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I mean, there was, you know, 30 people there, all the national guys, you know, they're trying to get their questions in, you know, the Nicole Hour, backs, Brett McMurphy's, you know, Heather Dennis, et cetera, et cetera. Right. You know, they're all trying to get their questions in. And you have. The local guys are trying to get our questions in. I'm saying that to say I really wish I had asked Chris this because we don't get, as egg knows, a ton of opportunities to talk to Crystal Conte and kind of that forum, I wish I had asked him if his investment in women's sports. So when I say investment, I'm talking about financial investment by paying his head coaches. You have Vic Schaefer, you have Mike White, you know, they. These are all top five coaches in the nation in terms of their respective sport. Right. In terms of, you know, compensation.
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Right.
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Heck, I'd be curious to know how much that came down to being in the city of Austin. Austin being a very unique kind of, you know, for lack of a better phrase, forward thinking city and kind of the boom of women's sports. Right. Was their foresight is to see, hey, in essence, if I. Not that the expectation isn't always win, but at Texas. But this could be, you know, you don't. There are fans. I'm gonna speak, you know, tread lightly here, ek. There may be people in the city of Austin who've moved here from other places who are not born and bred Longhorns who, Who don't live and die with the Horns on Saturdays on the football field and, you know, out there on baseball. Right. But they may be, you know, fans of women's sports, of softball, of, of. Of basketball. And the idea being, if I can put together a competitive team that is entertaining and is good. Right. Can I attract new fans? I wish I had asked, had the opportunity to ask Crystal Conte that. But of course, like I said, there was so much going on. But where I land on it is whether it was forethought, you know, whether it Was can I planned on his part or just coincidence? It's a hell of an investment. I think you take a look at, again, just the trajectory of especially college. Dave, you know, this is another discussion for another time. The WNBA has certainly, you know, taken off in the last five, six, seven years, but the league's been around 30 years for a good two thirds of his existence. You know, it was an afterthought. It's going to take women's professional softball time to grow. College, you have markets, you have fans, people who are invested in just their. Their college, their team, and. And it takes off. Right. So it's something I think has been a great investment, and it's really carried away for the athletic department in my mind.
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Yeah, for sure. I think you have to give a ton of credit to Chris Polonsky as well for the. For the foundation that she. She, you know, laid. But look, I mean, I've. I've got like, the list of women's sports pulled up, right? And I'm just going to basketball, final four, beach volleyball, national championship game, women's golf, I think a quarterfinal, if I'm remembering right, national quarterfinal, Rowing title, soccer, bad year. Softball title, swimming and diving, great year. Did they win the Natty and the women's side or was just the men?
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Just the man.
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That's what I thought. Okay. I think they were like, third. Right. And so, you know, I mean, it just goes on and on and on. Like, it's. It's a ridiculous lineup of. Of, you know, elite teams. It really is. And, you know, I think, you know, when we. We talked about the Directors cup last week, I think one of the positive impacts that's had, maybe not on Texas, but just generally is like, hey, I mean, here's an incentive to care, you know, I mean, and here's an incentive where you can allow this to influence the perception of your entire athletic department in a positive way, in a quantifiable, positive way. Right. So, yeah, I think that helps. But, you know, look, Crystal Conte, we talked about it last week, like, just the job that he's done, the consistency when it comes to making hires. I mean, he hires the right people at, like, a ridiculously high percentage rate. It's kind of crazy. And, you know, that's happened on the women's side as well. So, yeah, I give him a lot of credit because, I mean, these sports are booming, and I think Texas in most of these spots was ahead of the boom, which has positioned them to really, really reap the rewards.
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No doubt. All right. Before we get out of here, quick take. The NBA draft, of course, is tonight. Believe it's 6pm Eastern here in our. 6pm wow, the Floridian came out at me. 6pm Central here in Austin, 7pm Eastern. Dylan Swain by most mock drafts, I have a story up on horns247.com universally first round pick lead. In terms of the mocks, Dave, where do you think Dalen Swain goes? Kind of just what range?
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15, 25. That sound right to you? You know, legitimately, you know much better than me about this. But that, that seems kind of like the sweet spot to me.
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No, I, I agree. I, I, I think 15 would be the highest, I think the highest projection. I believe our guy, Isaac Trotter of 24. Seven Sports had him at 17, I believe, I think that's. Oh, my gosh. I want to say that Charlotte, if memory serves me correct, which for, listen, if you'd asked me this question a year ago, I would have said, keep Dalen Swain out of Charlotte. Okay? Any team led by Lamelo Ball, that is not a good idea. I don't know if you've seen the videos of Lamelo Ball speeding, leaving a Spectrum center in Charlotte, but, and it's like drag racing through the seats or streets of Charlotte. But hey, they've turned that thing around. They were a playoff team this year. So, you know, maybe that could, that could work. But I, I think, you know, a more likely slot, and I think it's a best case scenario for Dalen Eck is with one of those teams that either was a playoff team this year or kind of a fringe playoff team. I've seen San Antonio at 20. I think that'd be great for his development. I see Denver at 26. Right. I think that'd be great for his development. So OKC, I saw, I saw OKC at like 20 something. That'd be great for his developments for him to get with an organization that has a track record of developing players. And again, maybe I'm just biased. I don't necessarily like teams that are led by, you know, 22, 23 year old guys. You know, unless it's, you know, Wemby, all right, like that you can get away with. Outside of that, I, I think, I think that's kind of the appropriate range for Dalen Swain. So Therehere we go. Four downs around the 40 acres for David Eckert. We got to get David Eckert one of these 24, seven shirts. I'm surprised I wasn't part of his signing bonus. I. I gotta talk.
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C
I don't. I don't know what's going on. I have. I have no merch zero. So somebody helped me out with that. But yeah, I will happily take whatever free stuff wants to be
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like a true reporter. Indeed. Free merch, free food. We are all about it for David Eckert. I am Eric Henry. Hey. Chip Brown will be back next week. Glad he is recovering at home from the knee replacement. Chip will be back next week and probably a more, I should say probably in a more traditional horns 247 flagship podcast. But for the meantime, here's four downs around the 40. We'll catch you next time.