2025 Halloween Costume Recommendations

Summary

Podcast Summary: House of R – 2025 Halloween Costume Recommendations

Podcast: House of R (The Ringer)
Hosts: Joanna Robinson
Guests: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes (Midnight Boys), Chris Ryan, Nora Princiotti & Jodi Walker (We’re Obsessed)
Date: October 10, 2025
Episode Duration: ~71 minutes

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Episode Overview

In this spirited and hilarious episode of House of R, Joanna Robinson convenes a roundtable of personalities from the nerd and pop culture world to share Halloween costume ideas for 2025. With co-host Mallory Rubin away in Greece, Joanna brings in collaborators for a wide-ranging discussion, bouncing from Ringerverse deep cuts, meme costumes, group and couple’s outfits, nostalgia picks, and the importance of owning your costume choices. The show strikes a balance between pop culture savvy, inside-joke fun, and inclusive recommendations for all types of Halloween revelers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Halloween Nostalgia & Personal Histories

• Van Lathan & Charles Holmes (Midnight Boys) open the discussion with stories of childhood Halloweens amid church-going households and the risks of “demon worshipping” media obsessions, especially the cultural impact of Harry Potter in Black churches.
  • Charles: "The demon worshiping fear was big. And also Harry Potter hit the black church crazy, bro." (04:08)
• Both describe approaches to Halloween as adults—Van, never fully committing to costumes, often defaulting to easy "NWA" looks; Charles, mixing creativity with LA singles scene flair (Bronco Brown the cowboy, last year).

2. Costume Trends, Advice, and Pet Peeves

• Props Make the Costume: Charles swears by accessories—"Bring props...My boy was a parking attendant. He would roll up, give a hottie a ticket, I'd have the fake guns and the cigar. Blah, blah, blah." (05:14)
• Couples/Group Costumes: Mixed feelings—Charles: “I can’t fuck with a couple’s costume. I’m a solo act” (06:45). Van’s partners try to push him, but he “can’t commit.”
• Classic is Timeless: A call for classic pirate costumes instead of trying-too-hard meme references (11:18). But cautions to avoid going overboard ("Don't go full Captain Jack Sparrow").
• Pop Culture Fatigue: There’s pushback against obvious picks like “Carmy” (The Bear) and “Barbie.” Charles: "Way too many Carmys. Way too many Barbies…Dig deeper in your pop culture bag." (09:19)
• Sexy Everything: The annual "Sexy [X]" debate—Van: “Girls don’t go as Kim Jong Un. They go as sexy Kim Jong Un." (10:37)
• Anime and Video Game Love: Van advocates video game characters (Link, Mario/Luigi, Gears of War, Minecraft) as “classics that always work.” (14:02)
• Evergreen Costumes: Sexy Velma (Scooby Doo) is “eternal,” and may have outlasted Harley Quinn in popularity (15:30).

3. Costumes to Avoid

• Overdone/Obvious: Avoid “Bob” from One Battle After Another (“I assure you someone else has thought of that”—Chris Ryan, 28:20).
• Problematic Choices:
  • Van’s annual PSA on avoiding anything racist or on-the-line: “Don’t fuck up. It’s not an homage. You not celebrating it...If it’s on the line, if you have to call your Black friend and go, is this okay? The answer is no.” (23:44)
  • Both Blackface and other offensive mimicry (like fake tattoos for certain Black cultural figures) absolutely not.
• Political Costumes: Chris advises skipping these, especially in a tense election year (28:17).

4. Trend Predictions & Nerd Culture Picks

• Video Game Surge: Look for Clara Obscura (French video game) group costumes (15:08).
• K-Pop Demon Hunters: A hot new trend among younger fans. Watch for bathrobe + ramen-eating K-pop girl group looks (16:51).
• Anime Rising: Demon Slayer and K-pop-adjacent anime looks approved, but best for the under-25 crowd.
• Deep Cuts: Van proposes The Gilded Age “robber baron” looks and throwing a themed party (17:37). FAKE SWORDS a must for Kill Bill (Yellow tracksuit, bloody progression at each party, 20:09).
• Group/Couple Costumes: Messed-up pairs (Abby and Joel from The Last of Us; Negan & victims from Walking Dead) get debated—Charles: “I want to uplift...I don’t play with that.” (21:39)

5. Costume Ideas—The Ringerverse and Beyond

From Chris Ryan—Classically Childless, Middle-Aged Guy Picks (26:30)

• Perry from Task: “Stubble, rings, leather jacket, and the watch chain now.” (27:08)
• Marcus from Weapons: For the hipster set, for those with dark hearts.
• Severance: Workwear + tense look = “I’m in Severance.” For an ambitious throuple, Mark-Helly-Ms. Casey makes a “messed up love triangle” group (32:33).
• Oliphant-aphilia: Dress as Timothy Olyphant doing a podcast interview—T-shirt, sunglasses, laid-back charisma (31:11).

From Nora Princiotti & Jodi Walker (We’re Obsessed)—Meme Culture and Out-of-Field Picks (36:46+)

• Weapons: Aunt Gladys (for redheads, or anyone with a wig), pivot point lipstick smear, big glasses. “Keep it to natural redheads, but I’m willing to share.” (42:07)
• Hot Dog Trey Couple—an instant weapons meme.
• Ashton Hall Morning Routine: The group costume with “five people, five steps”—mouth tape, Saratoga water, ice bucket face dunk, banana facial (with backup banana!), and the faceless woman arms (43:50-46:09).
• Summer I Turned Pretty: Throuple costume for drama: “Lets everyone in your roster know I don’t like you. And this isn’t forever. In fact, nobody likes Jeremiah.” (48:29)
• Nicole Kidman Divorce Eras: Two looks—FREEDOM (post-Cruise, arms raised, capris); Vogue cover (bangs, crispy poplin). “If your goal is timelessly gorgeous, this is your costume.” (51:22)
• Slutty Teletubbies: Foundational mistake-turned-meme. “I was the blue one—possibly the non-representative fifth Teletubby.” (52:27)
• “Katy Perry in Space”: Illegible tracklist as prop, burst out with "What a Wonderful World" (49:26)
• Meme Breakout: Monkey Robbie Williams (from biopic), Gorilla vs. 100 men (group costume of 101 people), and “trying on jorts in her bisexual fashion era” (headline as costume with strategic lighting) (57:00).
• J-Lo/Ben Affleck Multiple Marriages: Six-person group—each couple a different Affleck-Lopez phase, hovercraft recommended for futures (68:32).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Props Tip:
  Charles Holmes (05:31): “Bring props. My boy was a parking attendant...He would roll up, give a hottie a ticket. And then I would have the fake guns and the cigar...Classic.”
• Sexy Costume Commentary:
  Van Lathan (10:37): “Girls don’t go as Kim Jong Un. They go as sexy Kim Jong Un.”
• Pop Culture Deep Cuts:
  Chris Ryan (28:17): “If you’re thinking about being Bob from One Battle After Another...wherever party you go to, there will be three dudes there who are like, ‘I’m dressed as Bob, too.’”
• Social Awareness PSA:
  Van Lathan (23:44): “Don’t fuck up. It’s not an homage. You not celebrating it...If it’s on the line, if you have to call your Black friend and go, is this okay? The answer is no.”
• On Confidence:
  Jodi Walker (66:59): “Own what you’re wearing. Go all the way in. Do it with your whole chest. If you want to be a slutty Teletubby, do it—get that frostbite.”
• Failure Turned Badge of Honor:
  Nora Princiotti (52:27): “We decided to go as slutty Teletubbies…trudging through three feet of snow…living, guys!”

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Notable Timestamps

• [03:41]: Van & Charles’ Halloween histories & struggles with “demon worship” culture
• [05:14]: Advice for Halloween singles—props, props, props
• [11:18]: The return of classic costumes (pirate)
• [14:02]: Video game costumes forecast
• [15:30]: The stamina of "Sexy Velma"
• [23:44]: Annual “don’t fuck up” costume PSA
• [26:30]: Chris Ryan’s “middle-aged man” costume ideas
• [42:02]: Aunt Gladys (Weapons) as Halloween icon
• [43:50]: Ashton Hall morning routine group costume breakdown
• [52:27]: Slutty Teletubby origin story
• [57:00]: Meme costumes: Robbie Williams the monkey, Gorilla vs. 100 Men
• [66:59]: The importance of confidence, whatever the costume
• [68:33]: "J-Lo & Ben Affleck Marriages" recurring costume concept

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Costume Idea Highlights — 2025 Edition

THE CLASSICS (always a hit)

• Pirate (keep it simple, don’t go Depp-level extra)
• Mario & Luigi, Link & Zelda, Gears of War, Minecraft
• Sexy Velma (timeless)

POP CULTURE DEEPER CUTS

• Perry from Task
• Marcus from Weapons
• Negan w/ bat (The Walking Dead)
• Kill Bill yellow tracksuit & progressive blood splatter
• Gilded Age robber baron/luncheon party group
• Oliphant (as himself during an interview)

TRENDING/MEME COSTUMES

• K-Pop Demon Hunters (esp. for the under-25 crowd)
• Weapons Aunt Gladys (for redheads, ideally) or Hot Dog Trey couple
• Ashton Hall Morning Routine 5+ person ensemble
• Katy Perry in space (with tracklist), Monkey Robbie Williams
• Slutty Teletubbies (for frostbite risk-takers)
• “Trying on jorts in bisexual fashion era” (with bisexual lighting team)
• J-Lo & Ben Affleck Marriages (three couples, future-proof)
• Group: Gorilla vs. 100 Men

TO AVOID

• Political costumes (too fraught)
• Obvious/inflationary pop culture picks (Bob from One Battle After Another, Barbie, Carmy)
• Anything offensive or requiring you to check with a Black friend (just don't)

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Final Thoughts

Almost any idea can work if you commit (props, extras, charisma), but the panel advises digging deeper into pop culture, re-embracing classics, and always having fun. Above all, “Own what you’re wearing. Go all the way in. Do it with your whole chest." (66:59)

“If you want to be a slutty Teletubby, do it—get that frostbite.” (66:59)

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For more ideas, memes, and mailbag participation, they're running a special Night of the Seven Kingdoms mailbag episode next week—send questions to Hobbitsanddragonsmail.com

Happy Halloween!

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Hello, welcome to a very spooky House of our episode. I'm Joanna Robinson. Mallory Rubin, if you're watching this on video, is in a poster behind me, but she is not physically here. She is in Greece consuming so much feta cheese and meeting so many cats. She's living her best life and we love that for her. But she's not here. So we asked some of our friends to join us here on House of R today to talk about Halloween in general and Halloween costume ideas, because now is the time to get your costume ideas in order. So this is a very loose assemblage of pals talking very loosely about some, but some like genuinely great ideas. Van Lathan and Charles Holmes are here from the Midnight Boys. I think you know exactly how that conversation went. Christopher Ryan joined us from New York to talk about some great ideas from like, recent House of Our Centric Culture. And then Nora Princioti and Jodi Walker from We're Obsessed are here with sort of an outsider's perspective. Outside of the Ringerverse, I would say some meme culture ideas, some absolutely killer ideas from Jodi and Nora. So please stay tuned for all of that. Before we get into that, just some really quick programming reminders. I should say that the Midnight Boys are covering Peacemaker over on their feed, so you can check that out this week and then Mallory and I will be back next week with a whole bunch of great stuff. We have so much stuff coming up. We've got a Night of the Seven Kingdoms mailbag, there's a new trailer that just dropped. And when Mallory is back, freshly full of feta, she'll be here. Talk about the Night of Seven Kingdoms trailer. Send us your questions about the Night of Seven Kingdoms trailer or anything else to a mailbag episode we're doing next week. Hobbitsanddragonsmail.com we're also going to do a. I think some Coming up, some Crisp Noland Fall, some Buffy the Vampire Slayer, some Best of the Century. There's a lot of great stuff going on. So subscribe where you like find all your podcasts and as I mentioned, email us hobbitsanddragonsmail.com and and let's get into this Halloween episode of House of R Fan Lathan Charles Holmes. Yo, Midnight Boys. One of my first podcasts I ever did with you. We talked about Halloween. You talked about growing up and not being able to do Halloween.

[D]

Not for a four time. Yeah.

[B]

Was it Halloween? What's your relationship to Halloween and costumes?

[C]

Similar. I feel like the African American experience as you know, your parents get into the church and they're like, we're going to Sunday school for Halloween. I'm like, this ain't hitting the same. And then after a while they just didn't care. I was just running the streets. They were just like, just don't eat.

[D]

When you became old enough to go do it by yourself, when you didn't need them anymore, you just kind of be like, hey man, it's Halloween and we going out and that's it. And they would be like, okay.

[C]

The demon worshiping fear was big. And also I was coming of age during like the hair, like Harry Potter hit the black church. Crazy, bro.

[D]

It was like, nobody talks about this when people, when we talk about Harry. No one talks about this. When people go, van, why didn't you fuck with Harry? And like part of it. Hold on.

[B]

Are people often coming up to me.

[D]

Like, van, people ask me all the time and they'll. I'll be like, I've never seen a Harry Potter. People ask me all the time. They go, van, like, why don't you fuck with Harry? You have to understand, first of all, I was a little older, but at the same time Harry was dropping. Harry was dropping in Louisiana at a time where people were like, that's the devil.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And they were doing sermons on it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

It was a thing.

[B]

It is a thing.

[C]

Here's the thing. Cause like also that was around the time they was doing the Lion, Witch in the Wardrobe movies. And I'll be watching. I'm like, this is not hitting the same as Harry. Y' all just.

[D]

But that's what they made us watch. They wanted us to watch that. Cause it was Christian Jesus. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so when did you get. Are you into Halloween costumes? Do you dress up for Halloween?

[D]

Lazily.

[B]

Lazily, yeah.

[C]

Last year was the first year where I really, really committed Bronco Brown. I was a cowboy. It was us. And I learned, especially if you're single in the LA streets, this is all this is, you know, my advice for anybody out there, man, woman, he, she, they bring props.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

Bring props. My boy was a parking attendant. So what we would do, he would roll up, give a nice. Like a nice hottie a ticket. And then I would have the fake guns and the cigar. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Classic.

[B]

A two man team. I love this Van.

[D]

So I can't do it. I can't commit. It's tough.

[C]

Why?

[D]

I always want to, but then I never can.

[B]

I remember this. Remember when we did the live show on Halloween and Van had all these plans of like. He was like, I'm gonna show up as like the most kitted out Jedi you've ever seen in your life. And then you showed up with like.

[D]

A black smock on. I can't. I can't commit. I always want to commit, but then I can't commit. And Kalika, go uplift her heart. She'll be like, van, okay, now Halloween's gonna roll up and then you're gonna be all upset that you didn't put anything into your costume and you're gonna go as NWA again. So she's like, you just get.

[B]

That's the staple.

[D]

Hat, glasses, fake chains.

[B]

That's it.

[D]

Like you're gonna go as NWA again. Do something and go to. And I just. I can't. I can't commit this costume.

[B]

I. Yeah. This is my question. Do we like a. Like, do we like doing a couple's costume or when we see other people do a couple's costume?

[C]

I can't fuck with a couple's costume. I'm a solo act.

[B]

I don't. But what about when, like your friends who are couples. Yeah.

[C]

I give them my.

[B]

Not too cheesy. Like, you love it. Okay.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

I don't like it. You know, Halloween is a different experience in Los Angeles than anywhere else that I've been. Because Halloween is, first of all, it turns back the clock. It's like 1975 in Hollywood. Cause it's a little dangerous. It's a little seedy. You know how like all the movies from New York and LA and 75 make it seem like you could just be walking down the street. And then somebody goes, hey, where you going square? And then they get the butterfly knife comes out like, you know, you've seen that.

[B]

That's Halloween in Los Angeles.

[D]

That's Halloween in Los Angeles for real. That's how it is. It's gonna go down. But the parade is. You always go, God damn. I wish I was extroverted enough to have fun. Like people are having fun on Halloween.

[B]

So let's do this. What? Other than nwa what should be your ringerverse friendly or whatever you prefer Halloween costume this year.

[C]

They can't be sinners. I'm talking to all my black folks today. Like, we.

[B]

Okay, we cannot do, like, follow up question though. The white people are loving showing up as the trio of vampires with their.

[D]

Go for it. I mean, that's who they are anyway.

[B]

So there's this like this aura of like. I get it. Do you know what I mean?

[D]

Two reasons why I can't do centers. Number one is cause I'm a shout out to my man Omar. But if I show up, it's a cornbread situation. That's who I am in the movie. I know it. So I can't do that. And number two is just two on the nose. I would want to go as. Once again, people going to feel like. I'm just saying. I would want to go as somebody from Demon Slayer, man.

[C]

All right, now. The glaze is crazy. The glaze is insane.

[D]

I want to be a Weeb.

[B]

I cannot believe you turned. He turned this around this quickly.

[D]

I watched it again.

[B]

Do you believe it?

[C]

I don't.

[D]

I watch it watches a bit.

[C]

Because here's the thing. He's pissed off the PTA head so much that he's going to weave.

[B]

Oh, it's like Shelter.

[C]

Yeah. Trying to get a little bit. Trying to raise the army up.

[E]

So you're not going to be wearing.

[B]

A bathrobe and some sunglasses and a beanie. You're not doing the one battle after.

[C]

We can't do Bob. I'm also.

[D]

That's.

[B]

So you're outlawing sinners and you're outlawing Bob.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What's in. What's in play then?

[B]

What are we doing then?

[D]

Yeah, that's culturally relevant from. From this year that people know.

[C]

I don't like cultural. Because I feel like the last couple years there was way too many carmys. There were way too many Barbies. And I feel like you gotta dig a little bit deeper in your pop culture bag.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[D]

I hate karmi costumes by the way Karmi is just. I'm an attractive white dude. Let me put on a tight T shirt and the whole deal. I remember we had.

[B]

You gotta get an apron. Come on.

[D]

We had this guy that went to school with us and he was a cool ass white dude, but he went as like the Outsiders for Halloween. He came to school as the out one of the niggas from the Outsiders and he just had a tight pony. Boy, stay golden. Who are the other guys? It was Ponyboy, Big Doug. Who were the guys?

[C]

The Outsiders on the tour.

[D]

Who were the guys from the Outsiders? Who were they? It was Soda Pop. Soda Pop, Johnny Dally. Okay, now it's coming back to me. So he went as one of them and he just put on a tight T shirt and then took a little box and rolled it up into his sleeve. Cause that's his cigarettes. And it was just. I remember I went. It was just a way for girls to be on his dick all day long. It's not a real costume. He's like, he's running around, he's got a fake cigarette, he's doing the whole thing. And I was hanging out.

[B]

But isn't that what Charles says is the agenda for Halloween?

[D]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's what happens in la. It's like girls don't go as Kim Jong Un. They go as sexy Kim Jong Un.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

And it's like sexy everything. I get it.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

But I want that to be.

[B]

It's not just Los Angeles.

[C]

I think that's everywhere. That was in New York as well.

[B]

That's coast to coast.

[C]

Yeah, well, actually, no, I feel like there are. There are quirky pockets. Like, I don't know if Portland is like always going to be the sexiest. They might be more quirky. You know what I'm saying? Middle of America. I don't even know if they let you dress up at this point.

[B]

So when you go, let's go back to dig deep.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Do you mean you need to go back in history for pop culture or do you need to do something that's relevant from this year? But you need to do like a deep cut inside of that thing that.

[C]

I think either you gotta go deep cut or I think we're swinging back to classics like, yo, just be a pirate. Cause sometimes you just walk in as a pirate and people are just like, oh, classic shit.

[D]

They know the costume when you're walking the pirate. There was one guy who Kaliq and her friends complained about because he talked as a Pirate the whole night. I don't think you have to do that.

[B]

No.

[D]

He talked as a pirate the whole.

[C]

He said.

[D]

Everybody was like, all right, shut the fuck up. But pirate is good.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You can also get really intricate and very fancy with a pirate costume.

[C]

You got the White House, the rings. But also sometimes you can get two, like, I think last.

[B]

Don't go like full Captain Jack Sparrow.

[D]

I feel like you need.

[B]

We. We don't need to go Johnny. We just need to go Johnny.

[C]

No, we're doing classic.

[B]

Classic pirate.

[C]

But also, I'm warning against. Don't be like a. I remember last Halloween, somebody was like a QR Code menu, and they just had a bunch of QR codes pasted to them. And I was just like. I was trying to do the QR Code thing and I was getting pissed at them like I do at a restaurant. I'm like, yo, shit not work.

[D]

It don't work. The QR Code don't work. One question about Halloween.

[B]

Yeah, just the one.

[D]

Are we still in the what's Her Face era? That had Los Angeles in the chokehold. It's really had Los Angeles in a chokehold for the last decade. Are we still in the Harley Quinn era?

[B]

I did see a dragon con. Not just Harley Quinn's, but Leto Jokers. I didn't think we were doing Lettow Jokers anymore, but I saw some.

[C]

Has Leto's Joker hopscotched Heath, like, come back around in terms of just Halloween costumes.

[B]

Well, to go back to your. Like, everybody wants to be, you know, smutty on Halloween. I think I have my shirt open and I've tattooed my chest. Joker is more appealing to people than, like, Heath Ledger multi layer and the purple suit.

[D]

We were talking about this before. That's when it happened.

[B]

That's the Leto.

[D]

That's when he fucked it up.

[B]

This is a previous. This is an offensive.

[C]

He was bringing Rat.

[D]

That's when he locked it up. That's when it happened. He gets the Dallas Buyers Club thing. We were talking this guy's total aside. He gets the Dallas Buyers Club thing. He becomes a big deal. So he's now going to go do the big commercial movement.

[B]

Viola Davis is out here being like, I didn't want that pig fetus delivered to me.

[D]

And yet that's when he fucked it up. He fucked it up by fucking up Joker and being a weirdo on the set. Like, after that, that was the beginning of. We are not that into Jerry Leto as we thought that we were. It was the Joker shit.

[B]

So that's when he fucked it up. No Leto Joker.

[C]

No Leto Joker.

[B]

Like, don't do podcast right now. You've got pirate and bring props. Van, what are you bringing to the table? What should people dress as?

[D]

So I think video game characters are going to be in. Let's forget about the Demon Slayer thing. You guys don't want to have me into. That's fine. Whatever. You guys don't want that. That's cool.

[B]

But the tolerant left.

[D]

But, yeah, exactly. You guys all me in there. That's fine. You got on my ass about it. Really what you want? I've learned something about people recently. They don't want allies. They want worthy adversaries. And anime. Anime people. I tried to be on your side. I like this shit for I watch it. I thought this shit was really interesting. But y' all don't want. Y' all don't want it. Cool. Fuck you. Video game characters, okay? I'm into it. A lot of them. Minecraft, Mario, Luigi.

[C]

Mario and Luigi are classics.

[D]

They're classics. It still hits every time. I see Link. I see Link running around LA a lot. I see Princess Zelda running around. I see the Gears of War guy. Like, every time you see that, video game characters always work for me.

[B]

Do you remember when we were at Comic Con and we saw all those people running around with, like, baguettes and striped shirts and, like, tablecloths and stuff like that?

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And it's a video game costume. Yeah. I had to, like, go up to one of them and ask them, and they're like, it's Clara Obscura. Like, one of the biggest video games of the year. And I was like, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Anyway, can I.

[C]

Wait, Can I tell you about the goat costume? A woman just told me she was gonna be this, and I was just like. It took everything in me not to laugh, because I'm just like, well, yeah, everyone's gonna love you, Velma. Sexy Velma works every single year.

[B]

Velma is eternal.

[D]

Sexy Velma. A thicky, thicky little Velma popping out the skirt. Oh, daddy. Like that that took over Harley Quinn. Yeah, like that took over.

[B]

No, that predates and has survived longer. That Velma is just eternal.

[D]

Now this is what I'll say. And I have to be honest about this. You know, around the time of Halloween. Cause my Twitter algorithm is different than yours.

[B]

I don't like when you get this.

[D]

Look on your face around the time of Halloween. There are certain tweets that you click on. You go, oh, this is somebody in their Velma costume. I'm warning people right now that when you see them, hi, I'm Velma. Sometimes that's just the first scene, and then the next scene is something that could get you in trouble. So be careful. When you're just checking out people's Vel. It's like, I'm Velma for Halloween. And then all of a sudden you watch and then you go, oh, shit, it's going down. And then you look and you at your grandmother's house or something.

[B]

Just a reminder to everyone that your likes are public on. On Twitter.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, but the bookmarks aren't.

[B]

Okay, okay. You said you're like, okay, anime doesn't want me. What about. How do we feel about. It's not anime, hardcore anime, but K Pop Demon Hunters, like, gonna be a top tier costume this year. Would you not say.

[C]

I will say among the younger set now, if I'm seeing people, like, let's say like 25 and above as the K Pop Demon Hunters, I'm just like, y' all are in the trenches.

[B]

Oh, there's. There's an age limit.

[C]

I don't know if there's an age limit, but that means, like. Because I'm thinking, do they even have K Pop Demon Hunter Halloween costumes in, like, Target yet? Because it was such a.

[D]

They do. They do have them.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, that would be kidding.

[B]

They're not sleep. They're not sleeping on that. Are you kidding me?

[D]

That's Sony.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I might want to be the little blue tiger.

[B]

Exactly. The tiger. Or you could be the girls in their bathrobes with, like, the towel stuff. Like just sip eating ramen all night. Something like that. You know, there's some good options.

[D]

I might. You know what I might do, you know, my go ass. I just thought about something. No show. I've been watching and really enjoying the Gilded Age.

[B]

All right.

[D]

I might go as the Gilded Age.

[B]

Okay. You're gonna be like a robber baron.

[D]

Yeah, man. These people dress for luncheon. They don't go to lunch. They're going to luncheon.

[B]

So you're just going to, like, be tussling over an opera box the whole.

[D]

The whole deal. Because they got black people in the Gilded Age.

[B]

I think you should do this.

[C]

They got black people in the Gilded Age.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Because they all live in Brooklyn. That's facts. Really not bullshitting you. They all live in Brooklyn and they have their own issues.

[B]

Would Kalika do a Gilded Age couple's costume?

[C]

Man?

[D]

I told them that we should have a whole Gilded Age party.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I'm gonna have this party, and if you don't go, you're not my real friend. And you gotta dress up as gilded. And you have to talk gilded. Yeah, we have to talk about, you know, different issues. Whether or not we're going to go see Clara Barton, give a lecture. You know, she's in the show.

[C]

Funding the arts.

[B]

The famed nurse Clara Barton is in the show.

[D]

Fond of the Red Cross. She's in the show.

[C]

Wait, why wouldn't you be Mr. Terrific from Superman?

[D]

Oh, that's cool, too. That's cool, too. But I'll tell you something.

[B]

Why would you dress Boseman as crypto?

[D]

I would love to dress. That's going to happen.

[B]

Come on. Like, all dogs should be crypto this year, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

That's an easy costume, too. Put a cape on the dog. The dog is crypto. I guess he needs a little collar, too. Look, crypto. That's good. That works. Should be Boseman.

[C]

You should get a fair play, like leather J. That's an easy costume.

[D]

But the problem with this is another thing. The problem with Mr. Terrific is. I'll just be honest with you guys, man. And this is another thing. I'm a big brother, right? And sometimes a superhero. You think you gonna look good as the superhero, and then you don't, bro. There's nothing. There's nothing. So, Blade, I tried.

[C]

Did you dress up as Blade?

[D]

And I got in the thing and I looked and then.

[B]

Are there photos of this?

[D]

I turned it. There are. There are somewhere. I turn around and I look at Kalika. She goes, nice.

[C]

Wait, what year Was this?

[D]

Maybe 21. Maybe. This is like, right after. Yeah, it is. It's like, right after. Like, I'm.

[C]

But you were still. You were hoping this is probably the peak of your powers and shit.

[D]

Nah, man. Nah.

[B]

So did you get the. You got, like, the leather trench and the leather.

[D]

I had the leather trench and then I had.

[B]

And then. Did we not wear it out?

[D]

No.

[C]

Okay, wait, what did you switch to?

[B]

What did you wear?

[D]

All I had to do, actually, was. I had the shirt already. We got the hat, the thing. I just went nwa. Like, just took the fangs out. The whole. I just went nwa. It was the jeans. When I looked at myself in the jeans in tight jeans, you can see that my legs kind of do like that a little bit. I got the. So it wasn't awesome. It wasn't awesome. Shit.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I'm thinking Uma Thurman killed Bill this year as well for you.

[D]

Yeah, that's dope.

[B]

So Yellow tracksuit. Are you gonna do blood splatter?

[C]

I'm a little bit like, here's the thing. I was thinking of going clean beginning of the night, hitting multiple Halloween parties, putting the blood on as I progressively bloodier.

[D]

Yeah, that's dope as shit.

[B]

I love that.

[D]

Real sword, fake sword. I don't know.

[C]

The streets of LA want me walking around with a real.

[D]

I saw a girl some years ago, she had a real sword. I swear to God, this was doing my team. She had a real sword. She had a real sword. I remember she came in, she was going. I was like, it wasn't.

[B]

Sure. There are butterfly knives out there. You have to arm yourself.

[D]

It's true. Exactly. She probably knew that that was going down. Like, it wasn't sharp. But I'm like, yo, man. She's like, yeah, I went to the pawn shop. I got a real sword.

[C]

I went to the pawn shop.

[B]

Please go to the pawn shop and ask them for a katana.

[D]

They have.

[C]

They have them there.

[B]

You gotta do it, Hattori. Hanzo sword.

[C]

Hell yeah, you gotta do it.

[D]

Just get the real sword.

[B]

I like a sort of fucked up couple's costume.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Like, if you wanted to do, like, last of us and do like Abby and Joel. Do you know what I mean? Abby with the golf club and then like a completely busted up Joel, like.

[D]

Negan, and then all your friends are people with their heads all fucked up. Cause Negan hit him with the baseball bat.

[B]

Yeah, I like a messed up couple's costume. I think it's.

[C]

I don't know. That's. That the vibes. I'd be sad, you know, watching that. You know, I feel like that's a curse on your relationship.

[B]

You wouldn't. You wouldn't laugh your head off if you saw someone come in.

[C]

There's already too much spooky energy out in Halloween. You know what I'm saying? I don't play with that.

[B]

You want to uplift.

[C]

I want to uplift.

[B]

You just want to smear yourself progressively with more and more blood as the night goes on.

[C]

Yes, exactly.

[B]

To bring a smile to people's faces.

[D]

She killed like 200 people in those movies, just to let you know.

[C]

And they all deserved it.

[D]

And that's fucking true. Touche. The point conceded. It's fucking true.

[B]

Okay, so you're like, sinners is out. Actually, Bob is out. Oh, sinners is back out.

[C]

I might, if I could find a banjo in time.

[D]

Oh, you gonna do Remic?

[C]

I might do Remic and just fuck everybody's head.

[D]

Up. That does work.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like the red contacts.

[D]

Yeah, No, I might be able to do Delta Slim. Yeah, Delta, not Slim.

[B]

But you said you didn't want to do sinners.

[D]

I don't want to do sinners. But if I do a costume this year, because if I do, you should.

[C]

Just do Bob and really just fuck with the. Fuck with their heads.

[B]

Fuck with the film, bros. You know, they gave me. At my screening, they gave me beanie and sunglasses. They gave me, like, the Halloween costume starter kit. So if you want it interesting.

[D]

If I do Bob, it's going to be in whiteface.

[B]

And I see nothing wrong with that.

[D]

Yeah, you guys, one of my most.

[B]

And I think that'll be fine.

[D]

One of my most controversial costumes ever was my last year at tmz. I went. This was one time I put out. I went as a white devil. That was the costume. White face, devil horns, all white. I was really trying to get fired, and they helped me and they did my. They obliged me and they said, sure, sure, get the fuck out.

[A]

We gotcha.

[C]

I also.

[D]

Funny guy.

[C]

I will say this for all my friends out there who do this. I actually appreciate it. Sometimes I do get my white friends being like, I'm thinking about being so and so. What are your thoughts? And I'm like, eh.

[D]

Every year. Every year, I give the same message to all of my white friends.

[B]

Psa, Freddie, look down the camera.

[D]

Don't fuck up.

[B]

Yeah, it's so easy not to fuck up. Damn, man. It's really easy.

[D]

Don't fuck up. It's not an homage. You not celebrating it. You not being a part of the culture.

[C]

Nah.

[D]

I don't care how many people you play basketball with. If you do it, you gonna get fired. And we gonna make sure of it. So just don't do it. I'm talking about not just the black face.

[C]

No, no, no, no. I'm talking about don't do the face tags.

[B]

Don't do the.

[D]

Don't do the fro. Don't do none of that. If it's on the line, if you have to call your black friend and go, is this yes?

[B]

Yes. If you're thinking of texting Charles, the answer is no.

[C]

I love it. Cause at the Dead, I'm like, ooh, you not as evolved as I thought you were.

[D]

Now, look, if you want to do Blade, do Blade. Just dress up like Blade. Fangs, have a whole Blade thing. You're Blade, but you're from Nova Scotia.

[B]

Whatever's going on, and if Nova Scotia Blade doesn't work out. Nova Scotia NWA no, just do NWA Exactly.

[D]

Just don't put that shit on your face, man. We gonna find your LinkedIn and we gonna put your shit on Twitter.

[B]

All right, I think that does it. I think we did it. Anything else you guys want to say about Halloween costumes?

[C]

Have fun, be safe.

[B]

Have fun, be safe. Avoid the butterfly knives.

[D]

Avoid the butterfly knives. I will say this, though, if you are in Los Angeles, seriously, be careful. Yeah, it's very fun. The West Hollywood parade is. I say it's.

[B]

People are fucking professionals here.

[D]

It's fantastic. It's an amazing thing. But as the night progresses, just be.

[C]

Careful and have pawn shop swords on you.

[B]

Chris, Ryan, Joe, I don't know your Halloween takes. What are your Halloween takes? Are you a Halloween guy?

[F]

Right around now. So what are we? October 9th, I would say you can officially start. You know, your Halloween decorations are welcome to go up.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

And I would say that from now until New Year's Eve is the best time of the year. The streets are full of lights. The streets are full of festive and scary joy. Everybody's dressing up or doing something. I love this time of year so much. And obviously, as a horror movie fanatic, I just love the vibes you get. LA goes over the top because you've got a lot of unemployed production designers who are, if they haven't moved to Budapest to make Dune three, are doing their thing.

[B]

Right.

[F]

So, yeah, I love this time of season.

[B]

Are you personally a costume guy? Like, do you guys. I'm not. Okay.

[F]

I am not. I'm a costume appreciator. But for the sake of this podcast, I have come up with a couple of ideas.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

Now, I would describe these as classically childless, middle aged man ideas.

[B]

Excellent.

[F]

I'm thinking about the ramifications of my. Of my thoughts here.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

But. Okay, so for you and me, number one, I think given my hairline, given my age, I could go Perry from Task. Ooh, now not a really good person.

[E]

Okay.

[F]

And also maybe something of an obscure choice for Halloween costume, but you get the dark hearts.

[B]

Like, you're gonna go, like, would you go full dark hearts like leather jacket or just tattoos, rings, rings, leather jacket?

[F]

You know, stubble. And then you gotta have the watch chain now.

[B]

Yes.

[F]

If you're current with Task, you can understand how problematic Perry is. So I am gonna pick something a little bit more Halloweeny as my real choice. But this really screams someone doesn't have a kid. I am gonna go Marcus from weapons.

[B]

Yes. And I think I was Hoping you would pick weapons. That's what I was.

[E]

That's why you're here.

[B]

I love this.

[F]

I think that I wanna find the most hipster parent enclave of Los Angeles where everybody's having a great time, and I wanna dress up like a Disney adult. And then I want to do the run down the street and see who tackles me first. You know, it's kind of like basically like, can I be in Jackass is dressing like Marcus from Weapons, which has.

[B]

Long been a dream of yours, right? Absolutely.

[F]

It's one of the great, great, great American films.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. All right. Are there any costumes that you feel like if you should be off the table this year, that if you see someone dress up, you're like, guys, really?

[F]

I. I'd lay off political ones. I think what we're going to get. I have. I have a good answer for you, which is that if you're thinking about being Bob from one battle after another, I assure you someone else has thought of that.

[B]

Absolutely.

[F]

And wherever party you go to, I can almost guarantee there will be three dudes there who are like, I'm dressed as Bob, too. I got the, the. The blockers. I got the, the robe. I'm listening to Steely Dan, so I think that one feels a little too obvious. You could, you could stay. Stay away from that one.

[B]

I was telling Van and Charles, who were in here earlier, that when at my screening of One Battle, they gave out the sunglasses and the beanie. Like, so you're two thirds of the way. You just need to throw a bathrobe on top of that. And I just saw. I feel like I saw a gleam in every guy's eye as they, like, were handed the sunglasses and the beanie at their screening. And they're, like, upset.

[C]

This is it.

[F]

Feel seen.

[B]

I've known some people do want to, like, be in a. Maybe there's going to be like a herd of Bob's. You know what I mean? If you just saw like a whole group costume of various Bobs coming down the street. But what if people dressed as, like, as the sensei, as Benicio, like, what if you do, like, a deeper cut from one battle?

[A]

That would be awesome.

[F]

I think that Bob is something that lots of different people could pull off. I think, Sensei, you gotta be. You gotta be like, tall and handsome to make sensei work.

[B]

You gotta have that and you have.

[F]

To have the vibe. You can't.

[C]

I'm.

[F]

I'm too nervy, you know, Like, I don't have sensei energy, you know?

[B]

What about any of the other? I was trying to think if there's anything good from and. Or like, a shared favorite of ours this year. But, like, I think.

[F]

I think you could do Lutheran antique dealer. You could get the wig.

[B]

Wig, the robe. Once again, you're like a real ring heavy kind of costume is what you're looking for.

[F]

I could do three parties in one night. Gary, Lutheran and Bob. No. And I think that you could do it depends on how obscure you want to get right. Like, so do you want to go down to Lonnie? Like, whoever recognizes Lonnie would be like, dude, great pull. But otherwise you would just look like kind of. I think it's an empire bureaucrat.

[B]

I think it's a good one for the gingers out there. If you're a ginger guy with, like, a real gingery mustache. Lonnie's at, like, a great costume.

[F]

Just look tense.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe look shot, looked pursued. Well harried. I love that. Anything else on the. On the sort of like, nerd culture front this year that you think is. Is good costume or stay away costume? How are you feeling about the. About the sinners?

[F]

I probably would stay away from Jack o' Connell personally.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

You know, I. As far as the nerd culture stuff goes, do you think that Kirsch from Alien Earth has broken into the mainstream enough that we could get some dye jobs going and see some.

[B]

And just like, white goop, like, you know, coming out of all the.

[F]

Just like a little bit of coconut milk coming out of the side of your mouth.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[F]

And then just. Just peroxide your hair.

[B]

I'm genuinely considering dressing up as Timothy Oliphant in our interview with Timothy Oliphant. Just the sunglasses and the T shirt. The vibe, the movements of the year.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And the energy. But no one has that amount of charisma. What can you possibly do, Sarah?

[F]

The Offhant being, you know, a huge TV star. Huge star right now. But being 2025, but still doing podcast interviews, like, it's peak Covid. And it's just like, I'm just gonna get on my phone wherever I am, like, this is just how it's gonna be with.

[B]

I'm gonna get my charger. Exactly. Really, really good stuff. Severance.

[D]

Oh.

[F]

I guess you could do. You know, you could just get like a real basic gap work clothes outfit, like a good H and M uniqlo going to work outfit and say you're in severance. Right. What would you. What would you pick from Severance?

[B]

What I would say in Severance is that. And I was just telling Nana and Charles this, that I love a messed up couple's costume. So what I would really love in Severance is to see like a throuple costume of like Helly and Mark and Ms. Casey and Gemma, or Heli and Helly are and Mark, like some fucked up love triangle from Severance, I think would be a really good costume.

[F]

The only rule I would impose, though is that if you do that, you can't do Halloween again for another three years.

[B]

That's it.

[F]

Because you're shooting.

[B]

Halloween season three coming to you.

[F]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Got it, got it, got it. All right. Anything else? Well, so are you.

[E]

Are you.

[B]

You're not a costume guy yourself, but in theory, are you pro couples costume or how do you feel about it? Like, seeing it.

[F]

You know, if I had a wife that. That was into that. I do have a wife and she loves Halloween, but does not dress up. So I think like, she would do like, when we've hung out with our friends with kids, she'll do like a basic cat face kind of situation or like whatever she needs to do to kind of play along. And she really, really gets into that. But we don't do the really thought out couples thing. We met in New York. It was never really like.

[E]

Can I make.

[F]

Never got into it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Can I make a pitch for you?

[F]

Sure. For me and Phoebe.

[B]

For you and Phoebe.

[F]

Okay.

[B]

Samurai turned pretty.

[F]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Jeremiah and the chocolate cake couples.

[F]

She hates Jeremiah so much.

[B]

Yeah, but shouldn't you be dressing up as like, the scariest thing you can think of for Halloween? And is that perhaps Jeremiah.

[F]

That's such a good idea, Joe. But if I showed up with a Jeremiah wig, like I do, think I'd get served with papers the next minute.

[E]

Fair enough.

[B]

All right. Well, this has been a delight and a joy is always.

[F]

Yeah. Thank you for having me. Are there any task. Other task outfits we could do?

[B]

I think if you happen to be deeply between bleach jobs on your hair and you've got the roots to be Lizzie, like, you gotta have like at least 2 inches of dark roots to pull off the. The Lizzie from Task look.

[F]

Well, not only is it one of my favorite shows of the year, I just. I could do the accent or I could get pretty close, you know?

[B]

Can I hear it, Joe?

[F]

What are you talking about? You want me to do the accent? Wait, I have to. I have to think of what I would say. Joe, come over here so we can get some water. Come on.

[D]

Perfect.

[B]

Yeah. As would you go as water ice.

[F]

Oh, I would definitely go as Black Cherry readers. That would be fine.

[B]

Yeah. All right, well, I think that's. I think that's the. You've got now got, like, five costumes you can try out in a single night.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And I hope to see footage of all of them.

[F]

Wait, are you going as anything.

[B]

You weren't taking seriously? My Timothy Olyphant in his interview with Hausavar.

[F]

It's just slightly obscure, but awesome. Yeah.

[B]

I think everyone's gonna understand what it is. I don't know. I like the idea of doing something from. I mean, task would be incredible and really on point, but I think. I don't know. Andor I really want to try to find something from. Andor that is the show that is, like, closest to my heart this year. And so you want to. If you're gonna do a pop culture costume, I feel like you want to do something that, like, you'll look back and be like, oh, yeah, that's the year that this happened.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Without showing up as Bob from one battle after another. So that's the sweet spot. Right? You gotta nail the, like, oh, that's such a 20, 25.

[F]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Exactly. All right. Thanks, Chris.

[F]

Thanks, Joe.

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Jody Walker. Nora Princiani. My we're obsessed friends. Hello. How are you?

[D]

Hi.

[B]

Good.

[A]

So good. Thrilled, as always, to be here. Highlight of my life.

[B]

Love to have you on House of R. I wanted to bring you in as sort of like outside consultants into this Halloween costume conversation, because I talked to some people deep within the nerd community. Your vans, your Charleses and stuff like that. But I wanted to get a sense from you guys. You're. You're nerd aware. You're nerd verse aware, but not. This is not your job or your life.

[E]

And so can I say that I feel so excited. Like, I feel like I've been let into a room that I have never had access to before in my life. Jodi, do you feel the same?

[A]

This is an exchange of cultures. You know, we're.

[E]

We.

[A]

We are. We are here to.

[E]

To.

[A]

To communicate, to spread. I'm here to Bring a little bit of our culture to, to. To you and very. But to be clear, like, what you're setting up here, there's a lot of overlap. Like over on. We're obsessed. We're hitting some of the big ones.

[B]

Okay, here's my question. And thank you so much for sharing your culture with me. When you brought me on to talk about Hallmark Christmas movies last year, that was like a real eye opening experience for me personally. Thank you so much.

[A]

Binge miss coming to a podcast network near you.

[B]

It's the reason for the season, honestly, I wanted to ask you first. I sent you guys a list of sort of some of the big ticket, sort of house of our shows and movies that came out this year. And so sort of as a public service for perhaps the nerds who listen to this show, what are the shows and movies where if you saw a costume from it, you'd be like, I recognize what I'm trying to see, what's in the broader monoculture. Because for some people, they show for the costume and they don't want to have to explain what their costume is to a million different people. So what is big enough that you feel like you would look at it and be like, I get it, I see it.

[A]

First of all, the idea of like trying to talk less at a party is very foreign to me. I'm like, you wouldn't want to. You wouldn't want your. Your costume to engage conversation.

[B]

You don't want a five minute monologue every time.

[A]

No, but I understand. I understand wanting it to be known and not like wanting to do the whole pun thing. I don't know about you, Nora, but for me it's, I think it's weapons and severance. Like, number one and two with a bullet of what I would immediately recognize also that, like, we engaged with a lot as just a larger culture. And they're also for severance especially. I just feel like that's very visually recognizable.

[E]

Totally. And I totally agree with you that those are on my list of like, I would. I would get it. I would be into it. I would congratulate you. I do think that Wicked is like, yes, number one with a bullet. And the thing about so, like, it's so visually directed because of the colors famously on Project Runway, which, like, isn't that meaningful to me. And yet I can't stop talking about it.

[A]

As Jody knows, famously, they did a.

[E]

Wicked challenge this season and one of the designers didn't choose pink or green, and they still made a beautiful design. But everybody was like, really thrown by it, because nobody could put it within the framework of Wicked. So I think that, like, if.

[A]

If your goal is such theater nerd behavior to have been like, no, you know what? I'm not gonna do pink and white.

[B]

Winky blue. Oh, no. Red.

[E]

It was red. It was bright red. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. It was a risk. It was a risk that, in that moment, did not really pay off. But I think that if your goal is automatic legibility, I. I think Wicked is number one and the thing.

[A]

And then if your goal is to have a little more fun, you could dress as, like, Wicked Merch. And instead of dressing, you know, as the witches, you could dress as, like, the pink and green Swiffer mops that are contaminating a target near you. And don't mop me and mop Jodi's like, I really.

[B]

I want to explain to you, I'm dressed as Wicked Merch, and if you.

[A]

Would like some attention, you could do that.

[B]

Okay. And I love the idea of Wicked because Wicked came out after Halloween last year, so we actually haven't had, like, a Wicked Halloween. This is the first Wicked Halloween, so.

[A]

And next year, it'll be too late.

[B]

Exactly. Now's your time. Strike while the iron's hot. Okay. Outside of anything else on the list that you're like this. This would be legible to me. I would understand what this is.

[E]

I have no idea what Daredevil is that. I don't know if that's embarrassing to admit or not, but I just. I just. No, I have no clue.

[B]

I would say there are.

[E]

Not the faintest clue.

[B]

I would say there are some people who watch all of Daredevil this year and were like, I don't know what Daredevil is, so I wouldn't.

[E]

I just love that. Like, most of these things, I couldn't tell you a lot about them, but I'm. I'm familiar, you know? And then I just want to pull out. Yeah, no, that's. That's really it. I think everything else.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I think everything else. Conversational Superman, Fantastic Four Squid game. I. I know. I visually know a lot of these, and obviously, yellow jackets would be big for me.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. So outside of. I recognize this, what ideas did we bring? Do you guys want to alternate your ideas of what you brought to the table as you think these are?

[E]

I want Jodi to go first, because I sort of think we might have chosen the same thing.

[A]

It's possible, but. Okay. And I swear, I'm not trying to Be a teacher's pet here. My immediate first thought for Halloween costumes this year is twofold, and it comes from weapons. And I don't know who all you've talked to, but, like, obviously, Aunt Gladys.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is a go to.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Visually stunning. I would prefer that we keep it to natural redheads, but I'm willing to share.

[B]

You're gonna open the door to other people.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

I'm willing, but I'm going to respect it more from a redhead.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

A lot of people, when we talked about weapons on We're Obsessed, were pretty eager for me to do that at.

[B]

Halloween, but pivot point smear of lipstick.

[A]

It's so good. The big glasses, the wig. Even if you are a natural redhead.

[E]

Still wear the wig, still do the.

[A]

Wig, obviously still wig.

[E]

Lot of accessory opportunities.

[A]

The magic tree, the stick, loose hair. So that could be fun, and you could really blow that out of the water if you want a little more attention and you want to explain, obviously, I'm rooting for couples costume. Hot dog. Trey couple.

[E]

I couldn't believe that you hadn't said hot dog yet.

[A]

I just wanted.

[B]

Is this on your list, Nora?

[E]

So this was. This is one that I was sure Jodi would account for, but this actually wasn't where I thought that we were going to overlap.

[B]

Are we. Are we pro couples costume in general or are we anti? How do we feel about it?

[E]

If it's good, I'm pro, and I'm pro group costume as well. I think, like, one, there's safety in numbers, and two, it's a real opportunity to innovate the format.

[B]

Okay, Nora, what do you have?

[E]

Okay, well, why don't I give you a group costume?

[B]

Okay, great.

[E]

So I think. And I wonder if Jody was gonna bring this up. One thing that we spent a lot of time on and had a lot of fun with over in our little corner of the podcasting world was the Ashton hall morning routine. And while I'm sure there are a lot of people who are going to try to do that as a costume for Halloween, I want to encourage people to think about it as a group costume, because I think the ideal.

[A]

Nor. This is interesting because I thought of it and I was like, I can't really think of how to do it successfully.

[E]

You do it with five people. Five is the perfect number, because I think these are the steps in the morning routine. And you're not going to encapsulate the whole thing because famously, it's incredibly long and takes several hours, but you're going to hit the notes that I believe need to be hit. And so one person does mouth tape. One person has to be mouth tape.

[A]

And that's the person who doesn't want to explain their costume all night.

[B]

Exactly.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Perfect.

[B]

Couldn't be another person. Yeah.

[E]

Is going to be Saratoga water dental hygiene. So that person needs to have a blue glass bottle of Saratoga spring water. And they need to be brushing their teeth. They need to have a toothbrush.

[B]

Incredible.

[E]

This is actually probably good for someone who worries about their oral hygiene in conjunction with Halloween, the consumption of candy, sugar. Number three. This needs to be someone with a little bit of upper body strength because they are going to need to carry around a bucket of ice water and incrementally dunk the face.

[B]

Okay. A constant. A constant facial plunge throughout the night. Yeah.

[E]

Just like, you know, from time to time.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

Number four, banana facial. This is actually incredibly simple. You just need to rub your face with a banana.

[B]

I want. I want Nora, I want you to think about our five of banana facial choice of the evening.

[A]

At first I was like, nora has come up with, like, a wonderfully low maintenance costume. Like, it's mouth tape. It's a bottle of Saratoga. And now we're rubbing bananas on our face.

[B]

Now we're like several hours into the evening and we still have banana on our face.

[A]

I just want, like a cooler of ice.

[E]

I think I just want to, like, give people a little point of recommendation. Back up banana. Because I don't think you're going to want to be rocking pocket single. Yeah, Pocket banana.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

And then number five is critical. Faceless woman. Arms. And this person has to be willing to separate themselves from the group occasionally and then just like, come in from the side and appear only sort of like to the elbow and just sort of hand over snacks or avocado toast and then disappear into the background, never to be seen again.

[A]

I call that one.

[B]

Yeah, go ahead.

[E]

Are you open to a five person Ashton Hall?

[A]

Are you open to a six?

[B]

Jody has.

[E]

I'm open to a six. Who's the six?

[A]

I have an edit. The biggest thing from the Ash, you're really focusing on, like, the utility of the morning routine, which is smart. But the biggest moment from the Ashton hall morning routine was when he dives into the pool for four minutes straight. You have to have, like, you have to have a time. So you have to have a one person in a swimsuit, fully also wearing, like a Rolex. And he was wearing, like $20,000 worth of jewelry and I think timestamps. It's like 7am 7.

[E]

And then all of a sudden, unexplained time jump.

[B]

You could.

[A]

This could even be a seven person costume. And you could have one person at the beginning of the dive and another person at the end of the dive.

[B]

I feel like this, this is a costume that has endless potential for expansion, however big you want this costume to be. Yeah.

[E]

If you're like a college sports team.

[B]

Who owns a group costume, someone could be backup banana. I'm just saying, like, if you wanted to add like someone else, someone could.

[A]

Be seven minutes of devotional time, which he does before his big call of the morning.

[E]

Some would be journaling.

[A]

Yeah, there's a lot of journaling.

[B]

It's a lot of options here, Nora. Innovative, exciting. Love this. Jody, what's next on your list?

[A]

Trying to decide if I want to go really niche or big. But I got a couple. I got a couple popular big hitters in me still. Before I go like meme territory, I'm going to say couples costume. Fine, do it. It's been done. I have no problem with it. If you want kind of like a dramatic costume, like something that will cause some drama in your life. I'm imagining like someone in college, a young woman in college who has an impressive roster, lineup of boys who are interested in her. And I'm thinking three way costume of the summer. I turned pretty main love triangle, which does a couple of things. It's popular, everyone's watching it. It also lets one of the guys in your roster know I don't like you. And this isn't forever. In fact, nobody likes Jeremiah.

[B]

In fact, nobody likes you.

[A]

Please put on this bleach blonde curly wig.

[B]

I suggested to Chris Ryan that he and his wife Phoebe go as a couple's costume. And I thought it should be Jeremiah and the chocolate cake as the couple's costume from the summer I turned pretty deep.

[A]

Pull.

[B]

How do you feel about this? He was like, I think if I showed up as Jeremiah, I would be divorced. So I can't do that.

[A]

Yeah, it's like sort of insulting to tell Chris Ryan to dress up as Jeremiah, but it's very complimentary to he and his wife to say that they are so deeply in love as Jeremiah was with that glitch. Chocolate cake with chocolate cake.

[B]

I love it. Nora, what do you have?

[A]

Oh, I was just gonna say I think for my really like really well known costume, people would get it, but is also still sort of like our culture. Meme culture. It's Katy Perry in space.

[B]

That was on my. We're obsessed sort of sub list was Katie Perry.

[A]

The prediction.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Predict Girlbosses in space.

[B]

Katy Perry in space.

[A]

Yeah, Girlboss is in space. It's kind of. It could go easy to intermediate, to difficult. You're just in the space costume, but you could bring accessories. You could have her list.

[E]

You hold a completely illegible track listing.

[A]

The track list, it' you cannot read it. It's written in a different language. You kind of bust out into what a wonderful world every 10 minutes. When you know to do it. When the other guy is putting on his banana facial, you're like, oh, it's my time to go to the world.

[B]

It's time. All right, Nora, what do you. What else do you have?

[E]

Okay. Nicole Kidman, post both divorces.

[B]

Vogue cover.

[E]

Nicole Kidman, not Vogue cover.

[B]

Okay. No.

[E]

Uh, so we all know that Tom Cruise, Hands in the Air. That just requires a little bit of sort of 90s revival styling choices.

[B]

Perhaps your highest. Your highest heels.

[E]

Your highest heels. A sort of pedal pusher Capri, I believe, and a patterned top. Probably a little bit of work with the hair. And then the hand gesture is going to do a lot for you. And then the second one, I think wigs are acceptable because it is Nicole Kidman we're talking about here. We're gonna need to rock a bang. As Jodi and I discussed the other day, the most crisp poplin white tuxedo shirt you can possibly get.

[A]

Your Chanel, if you can find it.

[E]

Right, right, right, right, right, right. And a wide leg jean. And just the ethos of.

[B]

What is the word? It's not.

[E]

It's not angry, but it's sort of fortitude. You need to express a certain type of fortitude. And so I think this is an ideal costume for two women.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

And I highly recommend somebody try to.

[B]

Pull out the accessory children as part of.

[E]

I don't think we should bring them into it, but that's not really for me to decide.

[B]

Let's leave the children out of it. Jody Fox.

[A]

But if you have kids, could be a family costume.

[B]

Great family costume. The kids will love it. The kids will love it. They may not understand it, but they'll love it. Jodi, follow up question for you. Are, is this a redhead only costume, or are non genders allowed to be. Nicole Kibben.

[A]

It's a great question, and thank you for asking. I was thinking of the first divorce photo, famously from Tom Cruise. Hands in the Air. That's a good one for natural redheads because she has her natural hair going in that Chanel great for if you're looking to wear a wig. And I really like this poll, Nora, because, like, yeah, slutty Halloween is fun and we all want to look hot, but what if you could look timelessly gorgeous like she does in her current revenge look? Yeah, even better.

[E]

Have you ever really gone down a bad path of trying to do a.

[B]

Hot Halloween costume, Nora? Sounds like you have a story. This sounds like a question that is really. Actually, I have a story.

[E]

Yeah, no, totally.

[A]

I don't want to be like, no, I've always pulled it off. But what are you, Nora, what happened?

[E]

And let's see.

[B]

When would.

[A]

Would this have been?

[E]

This would have been Halloween of, I think, 2011. I was a junior in high school. There was a huge snowstorm in Massachusetts. Instructive to know that I went to boarding school. So, like, we were all going to sleep there and we had a Halloween dance and my friends and I. And also there were five of us, we decided to go as slutty Teletubbies. And we all feel like there was.

[A]

A pretty foundational issue here.

[E]

Yeah, no, everything was wrong and bad. We all went to American Apparel and we bought like bodycon T shirt dresses in all of the colors.

[B]

Right.

[E]

And then we got pipe cleaners. Pipe cleaners. And made the little thingies to go on the head. And everybody had their like most Victoria's Secret push up bra. But then we were just the Teletubbies. And one of us had the wrong color or like a knot color because there were too many of us. And then there were three feet of snow. And I just remember trudging from my dorm with all of my slutty Teletubby friends in my slutty Teletubby outfit.

[D]

Gym.

[E]

Which was like a quarter of a mile away through three feet of snow and just thinking, like, I'm living, guys.

[B]

Really important Nora Lore question incoming. Which Teletubby were you? I would say blue one. Blue one. Okay.

[E]

I was the blue one. Was I the one that didn't have a color or that didn't. That's why I was just like yellow.

[B]

And a purple and a red and a green.

[E]

Right. I think I was the non representative Teletubby.

[B]

I love how early in the story you're like, somebody was wearing a non color. I couldn't tell you.

[A]

Loser. Google is telling me that the blue Teletubby was Tinky. Okay.

[B]

You were Tinky Winky. Pretty.

[A]

Pretty notable by name. But I.

[E]

He's bluish.

[A]

I think he's. It they are bluish purple.

[E]

So Tinky Winky was Tinky Winky. The purple one, I think was a target of, like, the evangelical queer.

[B]

Yeah, the purple one.

[A]

That's purple.

[B]

I don't believe there is a purse.

[E]

He was the one who got in trouble with, like, Jerry Falwell for having a purse.

[B]

Yes. I don't believe you were a real Teletubby color. I think it's neon green and red and yellow and purple and that's okay. Yeah, that's right. I support you as the fifth extra Teletubby. And I'm glad you had this foundational experience.

[E]

I don't know why we did it.

[A]

Anyway, there was a baby Teletubby which were called Tiddly Tublies. That was blue.

[B]

Okay, that sounds worse. Does not not sound way worse.

[A]

Sexy baby Teletubby way.

[E]

You know what this makes me think of? This would be pretty niche, but Jody and I would get it and we would love it. The new generation American girl dolls, who all have really, really Gen Z pastimes.

[B]

Yes. There's, like, blue hair, a blue haired one.

[E]

Yeah. And Samantha's great great granddaughter wants to be a dj. Right.

[A]

Well, Nora, I was gonna say that you could dress up as Samantha, the American Girl doll, which would be pretty recognizable, but old, because she is the great great grandmother to the current American Girl doll of the year, Elderly.

[B]

Elderly Samantha.

[A]

Elderly Samantha.

[B]

Does she still have the, like, kicky little plaid dress and the tights, though? You know?

[A]

She definitely does.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

With the little satin belt.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Love this.

[A]

That's a great Nora. I'm just saying you could really pull this off.

[B]

Elderly Samantha. Love it.

[E]

I could start a school for girls.

[A]

You definitely start a school for slutty Teletubby bloody elderly. And I will.

[B]

All right, Jodi, what else is on your list?

[A]

Okay. If we're going to the We're Obsessed Halloween party and only I don't know that this actually is broader. I have two for the We're Obsessed Halloween party. The first, I think some other people from other parties could get, which is, of course, Robbie Williams as a CGI monkey in the Robbie Williams biopic.

[B]

This is incredible work. This is incredible work from you. Really, really good.

[A]

Discussfilm. Twitter once famously said when they put out the first photos from the movie Robbie Williams Life Story. Except he is a monkey.

[B]

The Robbie William.

[E]

That's the question.

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[E]

How do you do this in a way that differentiates Robbie Williams lookalike monkey from monkey?

[B]

It's in the clothing, Right.

[A]

You're wearing a. You're wearing a hat, you're wearing a varsity jacket. You're singing near constantly and frankly snorting a lot of cocaine.

[E]

It's actually.

[A]

I thought you were gonna say, like, how do you make yourself look that much like a monkey? Which would be difficult. The Robbie Williams aspect is very easy. He jumps off the page.

[B]

I think. Yeah, you could do red tracksuit. You could do all black suit with a white tie. That's an iconic look. The poster look, which is tuxedo, red rimmed sunglasses. So monkey. But make it Robbie Williams. I think this is a great, A great idea.

[A]

And here's another thing I just thought of. If you have several Halloween parties to go to and you don't want to wear the same costume and you're already doing Robbie Williams, except he is a monkey, you could also do another meme costume, which is that you're just dressed up gorilla. And you are the gorilla that beat 100 men, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's also a great costume.

[E]

I've seen this one group costume for.

[A]

101 people, I have to say.

[B]

So I was as I was trying to expand my ideas outside of the ring to predict, like in my own mind, be prepared for what you might bring. And can I just tell you, nothing could have prepared me for Slutty Teletubby or a number of other things that we have heard here today. I was trolling through the sort of like meme ideas and the only overlap I've seen so far is gorilla versus hundred men. That's the only one that you've. That is a non super niche, we're obsessed original idea, which I love. Right.

[A]

We're innovating here. We're innovating. That is a meme that truly is of the Internet. Like it doesn't go back to a movie or a TV show or a headline or anything else. It's just of the Internet. But so many people heard it and attempted to do the math on it. Women in stem. But it is popular enough. What if I gave you one you really couldn't be prepared for? And then I'll stop.

[B]

Never stop. Jodi, please.

[A]

Something that we do over on We're Obsessed is something called real headlines that sound fake. And I have to say, the one that has been most impactful to us.

[B]

No.

[A]

And the one that could not possibly be understood at any party except the We're Obsessed Halloween party. And that also even there would require some explaining.

[B]

Nora.

[A]

I want to do this. Joanna needs to know is that there was once a headline I'M trying to think. If I need to ask if you know who the person is first, I'm just gonna say it.

[B]

Should we do it together?

[A]

Can you say it from memory?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Brianna, chicken fry.

[A]

Lana, chicken fry. LaPaglia is trying on jorts in her bisexual fashion era.

[E]

Colon, quote.

[B]

I've.

[A]

I've been taking risks.

[B]

Okay, well, one of you just read that out without just. Just for clarity.

[E]

Yes, Jody.

[A]

But I am shocked that we could do that. Brianna. Brianna, chicken fry. Lapaglia is trying on jorts in her bisexual fashion area. Colon quote. I've been taking risks. So describe on a lot.

[B]

Describe the costume.

[A]

The costume is simply trying out jorts in your bisexual fashion area era. It is when you just get to wear jorts to.

[E]

You could, you know, just, like, a little bit of backstory to this, please?

[D]

Sure.

[A]

Do you think she needs. It seems clear to me.

[E]

The thing that we loved about this so much was that the thrust of the article was that really what she was doing was trying on dating women. Oh, the jorts just got really centered in the article.

[A]

She was like, yeah, I've been doing a lot of new things. I've been going on dates with women, and I've been trying out what she was basically saying were, like, longer jorts.

[E]

And so, yeah, this is not a Daisy Duke situation. Is this a good.

[B]

Is this a good euphemism, though, like.

[E]

To discuss, like, trying on jorts?

[B]

Yeah, she's, you know, she's been trying on jorts.

[E]

She's been trying on jorts. You know, she's just been trying to.

[A]

And if it comes through loud and clear in your costume that your jorts are bisexual, then that is going to be a win. But it is gonna be difficult to do other Halloween costumes.

[B]

I think this is a group costume for the we're obsessed crowd. It requires three people, though, because you can do the jorts, and then you've got two people to give you the bisexual lighting while you do it. Right.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Just imagine being Jo.

[E]

You cracked it.

[A]

I didn't know that we were gonna crack.

[B]

Imagine being followed around by someone giving you bisexual lighting all evening. Does that not sound like the dream for all of us? Jorts or no.

[A]

You know, I can imagine nothing better than having personal lighting following me around at all times, let alone bisexual crossover costume.

[E]

You do this, but you're also Jeremiah.

[A]

The most iconically bisexual character to ever exist.

[B]

Iconically bisexual.

[E]

I know, like, five things about that TV show based on you guys, and.

[B]

That'S one of them. One of them is that Jeremiah Fisher is bisexual. Love that. Anything else, Nora? Anything else you want to share with the crowd?

[E]

Oh, my gosh, what was I just thinking of? And now I'm forgetting it because I'm thinking of Bisexual Jorts and Brianna Chicken Fry Lapometers and her bisexual.

[B]

I'm still in my bisexual era, which is Smutty Teletubbies, but I don't think I'll ever leave Slutty Teletubbies. Honestly, it's life changing to me. But, yeah, well, on the. On the. I'll give you some time. On the Jordan front, on the denim.

[A]

Front.

[B]

Are there anything. Any meme centric costumes you think we should avoid? I saw someone suggest going as the Sydney Sweeney jeans ad, and I would say don't.

[E]

No.

[A]

So I don't think we're there yet with Eugenics Jeans, as we call them.

[E]

Yeah, you don't have to do Eugenics jeans. It's fine.

[B]

Yeah, anything.

[A]

You don't have to do that. What would be fun, though, as a group costume is like the. The Gap ad.

[E]

Yes, I agree.

[A]

Yes, I think and I think would get you a lot more of the kind of attention you want, which again, if you are looking to get attention from your Halloween costume, if not, it's mouth table. I do think that this is a really good year. And these were on your House of Our culture list. Like, it's a great year for sexy Frankenstein's monster because you're just dressing as Jacob Elordi as Frankenstein's monster. It's also that gives you a wonderful opportunity to be kind of like, pompous about reminding people that the monster is not named Frankenstein. It is Frankenstein's monster. And that's fun. That's a good time for everybody.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Another sort of more annoying wicked costume is to dress as the Tin man or the Scarecrow and just kind of like lightly slow. Spoil wicked for good. For anyone who doesn't know what's about to happen.

[B]

Spoilers for the wizard of Oz.

[A]

And that's one for my other culture theater nerds.

[B]

White Lotus. A crossover interest of ours. Is there. Other than obviously going as Parker Posey's character with a caftan and the pill bottles. Like, are there any other. Like, would you go as the incest brothers? Like, is that a good couple's costume? Like, what do you. What do you think?

[A]

That's a horrible good couple. I think she's pretty good.

[E]

And you could bring in a third.

[A]

Who's the blender for?

[E]

Yeah, I do think. I do think Poison blender is Good poison blender.

[A]

Poison blender is good. And I mean, I would just like to support anyone who wants to do a low key Halloween costume and has a pretty good bad southern accent on deck and also has a closet full of caftans. Parker Posey's a good one.

[B]

You're set. Yeah, that sounds.

[A]

You have a tagline all night.

[E]

Yeah, I have a couple friends who kind of morph into that when they drink, like just like lightly. So it's sort of like, you don't.

[A]

Need to call me on the podcast like this. Nora.

[B]

It's like when Nora was like someone showed up in a rogue color as a Teletubby. I don't know who it was.

[A]

She's like, I have one to one.

[B]

Ish friends who really go full Parker Posey. Nora, did you think of the thing that you were. That I was stalling for time. I've lost it.

[E]

It's gone. Completely gone. I'm so sorry.

[B]

That's okay. I support you.

[E]

It's okay.

[A]

I think we've done a lot of good work here today, so.

[B]

Excellent work here today. I think a lot of house of our listeners have learned new things about the culture and we always love a learning moment here on House of R. So I really appreciate you coming here, sharing your corner of culture with me. Any other like to don'ts for Halloween in general? Cautionary tales?

[A]

I think my. I don't have any. I mean I. I do think my most successful hot costume ever was Beyonce from the hold up video in the Roberto Cavalli yellow dress with a bat. And I think like, this is definitely not a don't. This is a sort of monoculture. You're gonna look hot almost no matter what you do. Is just to do Cowboy Carter. Any of it. Anything from her like any thigh high boot with sparkles. That's a great DIY costume. And I say that to say my only don't is I just think the key to Halloween is confidence. And if you don't want to dress up, don't dress up. But if you do want to dress up, do it.

[B]

Own what you're wearing. Go all the way in.

[A]

Do it with your whole chest. If you want to be a slutty Teletubby, do it.

[B]

Get that frostbite.

[A]

And Nora did.

[B]

Get that frostbite on your knees.

[E]

Do it.

[A]

No, because Nora, you did it and you had a good time. Do you look back at it with upon reflection as what's that a good idea?

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

But at the time it was good.

[E]

Maybe I Look back on it with joy and celebration.

[B]

And the. And the, like, blue sort of frostbite that you might have gotten as you trudged through snow matched the blue of your outfit. And so I think that that is the perfect moment for your.

[E]

Jeez, so much snow.

[B]

Absolutely. Nora, any to don'ts for you before you go?

[E]

No, I agree with. I agree with Jody. I do.

[A]

I. I have.

[E]

I'm all for going all for it in your Halloween costumes. I do think that the cat costume is unfairly vilified. Like, I think going as a cat for Halloween has become a symbol of.

[B]

Like, you didn't care.

[E]

You didn't care. And as a cat lover, I just think that that's. I'm. I'm just not for it. I think that we need to stop doing this.

[A]

I think it's gorgeous to keep it simple.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, to just, you know, go. If you want to go as a cat, go as a cat. Don't make yourself go as Brianna Chicken Fry Lo Paglia in her bisexual Jorts era.

[B]

But if you do, please make sure to credit Jodi and Nora from the We're Obsessed podcast. Y' all are the best. Thank you so much for coming by.

[E]

Oh, no, I just remembered what I was.

[B]

Guess what?

[A]

We're still recording.

[B]

Let's go.

[E]

Okay. All three, and I am counting it as three, because we can all feel what's going to happen. Jennifer Lopez, Ben Affleck, marriages. Yes, you need three. You need six people to represent three separate couples here. I'm not really concerned about gender or whatever. You just need six people, and you need. You need for each one. And so you need to represent the early days and what we just went through and what Jody and I feel strongly we are soon to collectively experience once again. I can't believe this is the key to this, obviously, other than, like, you know, some referential styling. The thing you have to master is a smolder between two individuals of such epic proportions, a palpable tension that it is palpable not only in the room, but when photographed and disseminated widely. You look at those photos and understand that those are two people who simply cannot be a part of. Maybe they're not in some ways meant to be together, but they cannot be apart. And it's that tension that keeps us coming back and keeps us watching. If you have the means. I don't, but if you do, congratulations. To add a sort of meta portion to this by unwisely financing your costume partners projects, sort of over and over.

[A]

Again, sort of a producer aspect to.

[E]

This, like a producer aspect of the costume, then that would also be encouraged.

[A]

You where you're going to get your money back on that is that this is a costume you can reuse for decades to come. Decades. Because it will only keep growing with the, you know, seven to eight more marriages we know we have in.

[B]

Can you describe future, like, what does future marriage look like? That's the.

[E]

Probably a hovercraft.

[A]

I'm going to go straight to hovercraft.

[B]

Yeah. Like Jetsons. Like Jetsons, but make it JLo and Ben Affleck.

[A]

And the most important thing is that Jennifer Lopez will look exactly the same.

[E]

Exactly the same.

[B]

So good. Yeah.

[A]

If you are going to be fulfilling the Jennifer Lopez role in any number of these marriages, both past, present and future, you're going to start working on your skincare routine right now. Honestly, it's already too late.

[B]

Okay. This has been the best. Thank you so much. Bye. Thank you so much to all the guests who joined us on the episode today. Thank you to everyone who worked on the episode. Our Jinnah Capel for herding all the cats and making sure that everything happened as smoothly as it did on this episode. Thank you so much. Thank you to John Jones and to Carlos Shiriboga. Thank you to Jeremiah. Dinner on the Social. A reminder that next week we're doing a mailbag episode, Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Sort of centric. But also anything else you want to email us about, Hobbitsanddragonsmail.com is where you can reach us, obviously. And we'll see you soon. Have a happy Halloween and we'll see you soon. By.