‘The Mandalorian and Grogu’ Primer and 'Star Wars' Duos Draft With Damon Lindelof

Summary

House of R – ‘The Mandalorian and Grogu’ Primer & Star Wars Duos Draft with Damon Lindelof (May 18, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this vibrant and sprawling episode, Mallory Rubin and Joanna Robinson are joined by acclaimed screenwriter/showrunner Damon Lindelof for a “pod of three,” diving deep into all things Star Wars in anticipation of The Mandalorian and Grogu, the first new Star Wars feature since 2019. The conversation covers what makes a great Star Wars movie, Grogu’s place in the galaxy (character or cute accessory?), nostalgia versus boldness, and much more. Plus, an epic mini-draft of the Best Duos in the Star Wars universe. Full of laughs, genuine fan insight, arguments about Mando lore, and rich pop culture connections, this episode is a dynamic, jargon-filled feast for any Star Wars nerd.

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Main Topics & Discussion Points

1. The Mandalorian and Grogu – Primer & Anticipation

• Context: The trio sets the stage for the first theatrical Star Wars film in seven years, marking a new era after long delays post-Rise of Skywalker.

• Expectations & Hype:

  • How the shift from TV to film might shape the story and tone.
  • The desire for a “big, cinematic, communal” experience. Mallory: “It has to give you that feeling not only one to one…but it also has to give you that feeling of community. Star Wars is so special when it’s shared…” [35:32]
  • Hopes for emotional resonance, spectacle, and possibly a surprise on the scale of Grogu’s original reveal.

• Grogu’s Role & Arc:

  • Debate: Is Grogu a character or just a plush accessory?
    • Damon: “He’s absolutely a character…where he is in his arc is where Luke would have been around the time that the Obi-Wan series is happening. He’s just hanging out, drinking blue milk…” [14:00]
    • Joanna: Pushes back, suggesting narrative limitations: “They’re afraid to make him talk…if he becomes more complex, he’s not the really cute, plushy, plastic toy that he is… They don’t know what to do with him.” [17:59]
  • Discussion of how Grogu creates growth in Din and the storytelling challenges of keeping a character “in stasis” [23:22].

• Predictions:

  • Will Grogu talk in the movie? Consensus: unlikely, but if so, first word could be “cookie,” “dad,” or “sup” [103:13 – 103:33].
  • Whether Din will die (“I think you can’t do it…they’d be killing the franchise” – Damon [109:43]) or if other big swings/flashbacks might occur.

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2. What Makes a Great Star Wars Movie?

• Scale & Stakes:

  • Damon: “Scale is probably the… [biggest thing]…the sense that this is a bigger story than some of the sidequest stories...” [28:04]
  • There must be an emotional payoff “5x” greater than TV-scale Star Wars.

• Nostalgia vs. Freshness:

  • Lindelof addresses Star Wars’ push-pull between the familiar and the new: “There is a force of nostalgia and there is a force of revision, and they are at odds with one another. Let’s do the Protestant Reformation inside Star Wars. And it didn’t work.” [46:47]
  • Joanna on balancing fan expectations: “The fandom is too large now to please them all…what stands the test of time is something like Andor or The Last Jedi, which is…not widely pleasing, but endures.” [44:08]

• Communal Experience:

  • “The communal shock and awe” of seeing Star Wars in theaters, referencing The Holdo Maneuver’s silence [36:32].

• Movie v. TV Structure:

  • “It has to be its own thing…and not just the finale of Mando at your local AMC.” [39:28]
  • Discussion of whether the new film will feel like an “oversized TV episode” but recognized that, if done right, that core spirit is “not only fine but welcome” [33:11].

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3. Star Wars Nostalgia: Good or Bad?

• Lindelof’s take: “I was completely and totally out on Rogue One as a premise. Holy shit, this movie is fucking amazing!” [45:37] — suggesting the movie just has to be great, regardless of expectations.
• Specificity vs. Fan Service:
  • Caution against “cameo porn” or over-indexing on nostalgia at the expense of story [41:56].
  • Mallory on Andor: “It was utterly specific and had clarity. It’s not for everyone and that’s okay.” [44:58]

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4. Mandalorian, Grogu, & Mandoverse Analysis

• Grogu’s Importance: “I think Grogu is one of the most important creations in the history of mankind.” (Mallory, [23:39])
• Season 3 Critiques:
  • “Grogu receding in season three to make room for Bo-Katan…a Bo Katan head… but the designers, in terms of accessories,…” [19:30]
  • Issue with narrative stasis and inability to evolve Grogu for fear of breaking the toyetic magic [17:59, 23:56].
• State of the Canon:
  • Discussion about the “center” of Star Wars: “Are Mando and Grogu the center of Star Wars now?” [48:00]
  • The burden placed on Mando/Grogu to anchor the interconnected universe beyond the original intent [48:00].

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5. The Mini Star Wars Duos Draft (Timestamps 75:27–101:02)

Categories:

• Master & Apprentice
• Allies
• Enemies
• Love Interests
• Wild Card

Sample Picks & Moments:

• Damon (First Overall): Yoda and Luke – “You gotta take LeBron...” [79:21]
• Joanna: Han and Leia, noting, “It had to be Han. It had to be Leia.” [80:53]
• Mallory takes Obi-Wan and Anakin — “Two of the most important fictional characters in my life.” [82:11]
• Mallory’s wild card: Cobb Vanth and Cad Bane (“two gunslingers – rooted in the Mandoverse…”) [100:43]
• Various surprising or deep cut picks, e.g., Lando and Lobot (Damon’s wild card favorite, [93:36]).
• Much debate and strategy about whether to pick for victory or for true fandom.

Favorite Quotes:

• Damon: “I just like it when lovers die together.” (on Chirrut and Baze, [86:48])
• Mallory: “I think Grogu is one of the most important creations in the history of mankind…” [23:39]
• Joanna (on Han & Leia): “Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford. Young and hot and secretly fucking. It’s Han and Leia.” [102:02]
• Damon: “The biggest threat to the relationship between Mando and Grogu is actual parents… Grogu’s true parents.” [105:37]
• Damon on the risk of killing Din: “They’d be killing the franchise.” [109:43]

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6. Listener Mailbag: Predictions & Fan Questions

• When will Grogu start speaking? — Speculation on first word (“sup,” “cookie,” “dad/ papa”).
• Grogu’s Origins/Backstory — “The biggest threat… is actual [biological] parents showing up.” [105:37]
• Will Din die? — “No way. …They’d be killing the franchise.” [109:43]
• Will Grogu turn to the dark side? — “He was really ready to, like, force choke Cara Dune.” [120:55]
• Will there be a Thrawn stinger? — Unlikely. [112:21]
• Will there be big surprises? — All agree the movie may be more adventure than surprise heavy, but some possibility of future set-up.

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7. Notable Quotes & Banter

• Damon on high-fives: “You gotta look at the elbow when you’re high-fiving someone. You never miss.” [04:04]
• Mallory: “If Joanna had her way, we never would have had Barbenheimer.” [17:11]
• Joanna, on fandom: “The thing about Star Wars is the fandom is too large now to please them all.” [44:08]
• Damon, on franchise silos: “It’s the opposite of the Marvel idea – these things function as silos…” [110:40]
• Mallory: “I gotta say, I think Grogu is one of the most important creations in the history of mankind.” [23:39]
• Damon: “If not for Lobot, things go much differently at the end of Empire.” [93:57]

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening Banter & Introductions: 00:05–05:00
• Grogu: Character or Accessory?: 13:57–23:56
• What Makes a Good Star Wars Movie?: 27:22–41:48
• Nostalgia vs. New Ideas in Star Wars: 44:08–53:50
• State of the Mandalorian Canon/Priming for the New Film: 53:50–61:27
• Favorite Mandalorian Episodes & Key Character Moments: 61:27–70:05
• Mini Duos Draft: 75:27–101:02
• Mailbag/Predictions: 103:02–122:06

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Final Thoughts

This House of R episode is a must-listen for any fan wanting a smart, passionate, inside-baseball discussion of Star Wars — especially in the build-up to The Mandalorian and Grogu. From textural analysis and playful debates to a sharp duos draft (with true deep cuts), Mallory, Joanna, and Damon serve up not just analysis, but the giddy, communal joy at the heart of the Star Wars fandom.

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For Your Reference

• Duo Draft Highlights:
  • Master & Apprentice: Damon – Yoda/Luke; Mallory – Obi-Wan/Anakin; Jo – Luthen/Cleia
  • Allies: Damon – Chirrut/Baze; Joanna – R2-D2/C-3PO; Mallory – Mando/Grogu
  • Love Interests: Joanna – Han/Leia; Damon – Rey/Kylo (“Reylo”); Mallory – Kanan/Hera
  • Enemies: Damon – Krennic/Jyn; Joanna – Palpatine/Maul; Mallory – Cyril/Cassian
  • Wild Cards: Damon – Lando/Lobot; Joanna – Finn/Poe; Mallory – Cobb Vanth/Cad Bane

For further deep-dives and fandom mailbags, subscribe to House of R on your platform of choice.

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“Star Wars is great.” — Joanna Robinson, [102:44]

Transcript

[A]

Greetings and welcome to House of R. Yeah. A ringer verse podcast on the Ringer podcast network. I can't believe I'm Ruben. We're a clan of three today. This is a pod of three. Best armorer in the galaxy, Joanna Robinson, and the most fabled and accomplished bounty hunter in the outer rim or anywhere. It's Steven fucking Lindelof, folks.

[B]

You outer rimmed me on the foot right out of the. Right out of the gate.

[C]

Why didn't you tell me I was the armorer? I would have brought something. Fur trim to wear. I promise.

[B]

We don't do helmets in this clan.

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No, no, it's not.

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So we're the money makers.

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I mean, come on, you're here to talk about Star wars with us today. And it's just a thrill, It's a joy, it's a delight. We have a very fun podcast planned. We are here to anticipate the first Star wars movie since 2019, which is just wild and astonishing. We're going to talk a little Mando Grogu, the Rise of Skywalker. Not a movie that I acknowledge.

[B]

Covid hadn't even happened yet.

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I know it's a long time ago.

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I was at the premiere for episode nine.

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Yeah.

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And there were human beings and we

[A]

were just like breathing each other's air

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about what's going on in Italy. Yeah. And it's been that long since.

[A]

Unbelievable.

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Since their.

[A]

Unbelievable. We're look back. We're going to look ahead to this new film that we're finally getting going to do a little mini draft. We're going to answer a few mailbag questions from the Bhad Bhabies. We're going to do it all right after this. This episode of House of R is presented to you by Target. Call it all trainers. The Pokemon in target collection, celebrating 30 years of Pokemon is almost here and the lineup is kind of incredible.

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Joanna, my darling.

[B]

Do you guys ever think of doing a title sequence where you're jumping off of buildings and. Yeah, whatever you want.

[C]

Just laughing, eating salad or something like that.

[B]

That kind of stuff.

[A]

What kind of buildings and how would the jumps go? Would we land? Would we be okay?

[B]

Land? You know, holding hands?

[C]

Yeah, sort of a. Thelma, what if.

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I think it's like you're looking for each other is the premise.

[C]

I like our opening credits and we

[B]

find each other, just jump and high five each other.

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What if you have a jet pack and I'm in a little craft?

[C]

I don't think he would. I don't think he would suggest a jump in a high five if he saw us high five on the other podcast we recorded.

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Did you miss?

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She went for the 10.

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Do you guys know the trick? You got to look at the elbow. When you're high fiving someone, you look at their elbow. You never miss.

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And let's test it.

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The problem is she came in with 10 and I thought we were five in.

[B]

Bingo. Yeah, fucking five on five.

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I feel like I could hit a major league fastball right now after getting that tip.

[B]

We'll hit the cages after this.

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Let's go. Bring that high heat. I'm fucking ready. Very quickly, programming reminders. It's a busy time. It's Friend of the Pod month here at the House of Our. You're a friend of the pod. I mean, you always have been, but now, like you're actually here.

[B]

It's official. I'm so excited to be here, guys. I can't believe I'm in the space. Space is great.

[A]

Thank you, guys.

[B]

It's actually big in real life than you think it is at home.

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Yeah, it's true.

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Did you notice the shroud over there? It's covering a furry that we used at one point on a different podcast. I just wanted to let you know

[B]

I haven't seen that podcast, but I do see the shroud and was wondering. And thank you for. Thank you for explaining this.

[A]

Absolutely terrifying. Nobody brought a grogu. I can't help but notice. So that feels like an oversight, one that I will rectify when it's time for our deep dive on the film.

[C]

You were the best candidate to be here.

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I do have more than one girl going on.

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Is this a note for yourself?

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It is. It's a reminder. Filing it away for the movie Deep Dive next week. Also have placed a pre order for the Animatronic Grogu that will be released in April of 2027.

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Oh, not in time for Christmas.

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A shocking.

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They blew it the first time.

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Again. We have missed the mark here. Now it seems hard to make a grogu that, as far as I can tell, uses the Force, wields the Force, has a magnet that attaches the blue cookie to his hand. He has all sorts of like. He emotes. He does all this wonderful stuff.

[C]

Does he vomit like those. The baby dolls in the 80s that.

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Like that? Because that was the first. Remember those? Yeah, yeah, the little toilet turned it upside down. Those were amazing. First question that Chris Ryan's wife Phoebe asked when I texted her about it. Does he vomit? I said, I think it depends on how many 360s you do on Navarro.

[C]

Other question for other fans. No, I'm not getting us back on track. Are you aware of the minister Lego set?

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What do you think? Yeah, but you know my Instagram algorithm.

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Have you already ordered it?

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Sneakers, nerd culture, the Baltimore Orioles Legos, and, like, hot dudes walking in gray sweatpants.

[B]

In that order?

[C]

No, no, no.

[B]

Okay.

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I've not ordered Orioles first. Right, Exactly. It's Orioles first.

[B]

What if it's an Oriole player walking in sweatpants building Legos? Interesting.

[A]

The Orioles do build Legos. They have a bunch of nerds, actually. A bunch of Star wars nerds. So they do love a Lego.

[C]

I'm aware they listen to this podcast.

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Everybody builds Legos. That's not just for nerds anymore.

[A]

I agree.

[C]

What's the price tag on that Minasirith LEGO set?

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I think it is. It's. I want to say 600, I think less than the. I'm sorry, I say ad at. I don't know if that's going to be acceptable today. Is that with the tat is probably not. Honestly. Yeah, I think the ATAT set was $800,000.

[C]

I just.

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I love a Lego. But, like, I think we're out of space. We're out of space in our home for Legos. You've been there. You've seen how many shelves we two grown adults with no children have devoted to various Lego sets and helmets and Funko Pops. And I don't know where I would put the Minas Tirith set.

[C]

I also, what about the silver trumpets heralding you home?

[A]

I mean, I probably won't be able to resist. Also, I'm sure Adam's getting it for me. He can't help himself.

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Okay, I'm sorry. We're back on track.

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Programming reminders, what else is coming? We're going to talk about the actual movie in a few days, right? Once we see it, that'll be great.

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We're not talking about it now.

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No, we're having fun.

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It's in Schrodinger's box right now.

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That's right.

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It could be anything.

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We haven't seen it.

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We haven't seen it.

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We haven't seen it.

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It's fantastic to get this primer pod in before we've seen it, because genuinely, all we have right now is the

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hope and the hype. That's all we have.

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Is it a new hope? An old hope?

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Kind of both. Okay.

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It's all we got until Starfighter comes

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out in just a year. I mean, that's another thing we'll talk about today is we've had this long wait, and then now we're back, right? We're getting this movie next year. We get Starfighter. After that, who knows?

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Yeah, who knows?

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But for like, a minute. Yeah, for a minute. At least. We're back. Zero covering Ahsoka in 2027. Unbelievable. Four years between seasons.

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Not a movie, though.

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No.

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Yes.

[A]

Sheesh, Joe. What else is coming? And how can people follow along?

[C]

What a great question. Listen, you can just subscribe to this podcast. That's something I would suggest you do. You can watch us on YouTube, you can watch us on Spotify, you can find us on social media. Houseofrpod. That's right.

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Brand Spank, a new Instagram and TikTok. Join us there. We're having a blast.

[C]

You can email us hobbitsanddragonsmail.com we'll be covering Spider noir.

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That's right.

[C]

Later this month.

[A]

Yep. We're continuing the Christopher Nolan Revisited on the march to the Odyssey.

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If all went according to plan, we just.

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We've already done the Dark Knight. Heard and watched the Dark Knight pod that we have not currently recorded yet, but will have already run.

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I want to hear that, but I

[C]

Do believe Tenet is on the horizon.

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Tenet is coming soon.

[C]

Guys.

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Are you recording it backwards now?

[C]

We are.

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We probably should. Yeah. Maybe Carlos can do some fun stuff in editing. Make it impossible for anybody to hear dialog, which is my experience.

[C]

If they could just muffle the noise, that would be great. Yeah. But anyway, Friend of the Pod month. And you're here. Friend of the Pod.

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Fantastic stuff.

[B]

So I got an under the wire. We're still early in the month.

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We would have extended Friend of the Pod month.

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Thanks.

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Until you joined us. It would not have been friend of

[B]

the Pod month without you. I'm asking for a friend. Not of the Pod. Is there a tier above Friend of the Pod? Is there some sort of donation I

[A]

could make to best Friend of the Pod?

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That's what I'm talking about.

[C]

BFF of the Pod.

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Soulmate of the Pod.

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Right.

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Uh, let's just say this. Nobody else has gotten Chosen One. The first house of our water bottle. That's right. The chosen one. Yeah.

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And the two of you are just of the pot.

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That's exactly right.

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That's what you ascend to.

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We are a dyad in the Force.

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You really are.

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I think.

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We are the son and the daughter, I think. Oh, wow.

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Mortis Hive. Look at you.

[C]

I think bequeathing you that bottle, which is like great use of tantamount to a lightsaber.

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Makes you want to branded water bottle. I meant like a plastic bottle with the cheap label on it. And then I got this bad boy.

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Incredible.

[C]

With my name on it.

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I'm sleeping with this thing.

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It is a great looking water bottle.

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Treasure it.

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Fantastic stuff.

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I got it. There's. It's one of two right now.

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It is.

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And I said I might be selling it on ebay. Well, depending on.

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I mean, how did the rule of two go for the Sith? Honestly, we should probably get some more of those.

[C]

What do you think? More for a Minas Tirith Lego set or that water bottle?

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There's only one way to find out. Only one way to find out. Okay, what's the spoiler warning for today? If it happened in the Mandalorian, a television show called the Mandalorian, Seasons one through three, it could come up today.

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Or Book of Boba Fett.

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If it happened in Book of Boba Fett, episodes 5, 6, and 7, it could come up today. And if it's happened anywhere in Star wars, it could come up today. Again, we've not seen the Mandalorian and Grogu. We will, though, however, be talking about things We've seen in trailers a couple of these little like, you know, 50 second minute long clips they've released. That's a fair game.

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30 minutes of the movie.

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Not us. Not us.

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Not us.

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Not us.

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Fucking last five minutes of the movie.

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Yeah. Great.

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And only.

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You want to spoil that right now.

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Maybe at the end.

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Okay, that's our stinger.

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This version of the water bottle. If it's on Wikipedia, we might talk about it.

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That's right. Okay. Any other intro statements?

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I think we should just do a podcast.

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I think we should just.

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That's my thought.

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What are we waiting for?

[A]

Here's how it's going to go. We're going to open with some talk about Star wars movies and the Mandalorian and Grogu things. We're anticipating what's on our mind. Then we are going to do a mini draft. Star wars duos. This is gonna be like a micro draft, right? Three people. We'll have five categories. So it's gonna be a quick one. The old Bobby Baratheon quick one, quick one.

[C]

Mallory has promised it's going to be.

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Chill, relax. But then Damon came in and was like, I'm gonna fucking win. And I, I. Damon likes to win. I like the energy.

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I didn't say that. I just said I didn't want to lose. Don't worry, sometimes those two are the same things.

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You can aim straight for the middle.

[B]

Yeah. Be happy with that.

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There you go.

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Great.

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We all have our roles to play. Fantastic. And then we'll do the mailbag at the end. And who knows where it will go in between. If anybody's hungry.

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I sure don't.

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We can postmates the entire Grogu menu from Burger King.

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Have you seen this thing?

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I saw that there was a Grogu menu.

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I hit up the ringer verse group chat today.

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NBA game.

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That's right. Did you immediately think I need to try it all?

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I. I need to try some. I need to try the Whopper with the green bun.

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What about the shake? Yeah, the blue cookie shake looks good.

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Mostly we're afraid of the nugget situation.

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The tots.

[C]

The tots, which are shaped like nuggets.

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Yeah, they are. Yeah.

[C]

And they're full of cheese and ranch. And that just sounds.

[A]

Let's ask him what we were debating earlier. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not a ranch fan. Yeah, sorry, Joanna.

[B]

Do you guys ever think that the. That Burger King has like market research with like 8 year olds and then one of them is like, what you should do is you should put ranch in it, probably. And then they just were like, we're going with that.

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They're going to make a fortune, honestly.

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Yeah. Except instead of an eight year old, it was a five year old. His name is Grogu.

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And went, guys, can I tell you something? If I tell you something, will you judge me?

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No. This is a safe space.

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I have ranch in me right now.

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Really?

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Yep.

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Did it come to you via. Was the vessel a cheddar top bathroom?

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There's Advil, Tylenol, Shout Wipes. Shout Wipes, little hair brushes, containers. Just ranch. And I just did a shot.

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You downed it.

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Also, if you use one of those toothbrushes that are in there, there's just powdered ranch on the toothbrush.

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They are pre sauced, as they have discussed before. I find it distressing.

[C]

The first time I opened one and powder, I was like, what's happening? And then I found out you had

[B]

to brush your teeth.

[C]

Technology. Can I start with a please to ask Damon to settle the debate that we've been having about.

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We're just going right in.

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Yeah, it's not on the notes. We're just gonna go in.

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Great.

[B]

Is it a good name? Is that the debate?

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Grogu would like to hear your opinion on that as well.

[B]

Oh, God, yeah. Okay.

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Is Grogu a character or an accessory?

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Oh, my God. He's absolutely a character.

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Thank you, Damon.

[C]

Tell me about his character arc.

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Outrageous.

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What has he learned? How has he changed? How is he growing?

[B]

We're not gonna. So here's what I'm gonna tell you. If you're gonna use the Joseph Campbellian sort of or saber bullshit on me, I wanna remind you of something that I'm sure you're very well aware of, which is that a traditional character arc, say Luke Skywalker's character arc, which is, you know, we meet him as a teenager and let's take him just to the end of Jedi. Although it goes all the way until he's digitally resurrected. Digitally resurrected? Well, no, I mean. Well, that's dope. But I'm just saying his arc ostensibly ends when he dies, but then continues on beyond that. But all of those things and we can say, okay, that's a reasonable character arc. Grogu's character arc. Because time, because. Because he's only. He's such a baby. It's moving so much slower. So where he is in his arc is where Luke would have been around the time that the Obi Wan series is happening. He's just hanging out, drinking blue milk with Owen And Beru. So just because his arc is not. It's like watching a turtle move. You have to put it on fast forward to have any sense of its motion. So the arc is happening.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

And he is a character very slowly but imperceptibly sure. You know, I mean, it's possible that all three of us will be dead before he reaches a moment of great peril.

[C]

Right.

[B]

In his arc. Although he has had multiple ones.

[A]

I mean, we've seen him in the literal crosshairs before our literally favorite writers.

[B]

I would argue he chooses.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

To be a Mandalorian.

[A]

This is exactly right. He rejects Luke's bullshit.

[B]

He's like, this is boring. First off, it's only the two of us. Secondly, your stories.

[C]

And you're intuiting all of that from some gurgling and cooing and babbling.

[A]

Listen, I've been thinking about this for

[C]

years, since I first brought it up,

[A]

since you just fucking sucker punched me at this on the pod.

[C]

Carlos, our producer, agrees with me. Just.

[A]

Okay, so I will pose this to Carlos, and he can voice of God his way in as well. But I pose this to you, my dear friend, creative partner.

[C]

Yeah. Soulmate.

[A]

Dare I say creative soulmate. How much of your. How much of this prompt. How much of this query is a reasonable, I think, response to season three's real misuse of girls? Definitely inspired by season three.

[C]

It's definitely inspired by season three. But here's the issue I have. Whenever you, my beloved creative partner, argue he's just a baby, I'm like, then we're arming a baby. We're putting armor on a baby and weapons in the hand of a baby.

[B]

We watched the first joke in season one. Just made a compelling argument for why we're correct, which is an accessory can't accessorize.

[C]

An accessory can definitely accessorize.

[B]

How so?

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

Put a pink gun wrist rocket on a fucking.

[C]

Because your Barbie can have different outfits.

[B]

Barbie's not an accessory.

[A]

I'm not a Barbie kid.

[C]

Well, Margot Robbie's a character, but the Barbies that I had as a kid was a kid.

[B]

Oh, God, there's 50 Barbies in that movie.

[A]

If Joanna had her way, we never would have had Barbenheimer.

[C]

Don't drop me.

[A]

She's the Lizzo leap using IG11 as, like, a race car. I think that those are good faith critiques. And season three, in a number of respects, really lost the thread. Of course, I think that that's different from saying that he's always been a proper Accessory as opposed to a character. Because what is a character, right? There's a journey of discovery. There's an arc, there's growth.

[C]

I just think a problem that the Mandalorian has is they don't know what to do with this incredible idea they had, which is to have a baby Yoda, which they said, don't call Baby Yoda, but Baby Yoda. Incredible idea. We all love it. Give him a dad. Great. We love it. Pedro Pascal. We love him. It's great. And now they're like, now what?

[A]

We're not sure.

[C]

We're afraid to make him talk. We're afraid to make him more complex, because if he comes more complex, then he's not the really cute, pushing plastic toy that he is. So I don't. I don't. So narratively, over the course of a television show, it's hard to have a character that you want in so much stasis. Unless you're making Rizzoli and Isles. Like, it's hard, you know?

[B]

Oh, wow. Rizzoli and Isles.

[A]

She went there. Yikes. She went there. No, I mean, like, if you're making

[B]

a. Interestingly enough, they're my wild card, so.

[A]

They're my love interest.

[C]

They're my love interest.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, go on.

[C]

No, if you're making a procedural, you don't want the character to change, right? That you're invested in the character. Not changing very much.

[A]

It is changing. I think that the choices that he makes, the way that. The fact that he doesn't speak and that he can convey and emote so much with his shining, gleaming, glistening eyes and his rosy cheeks and the movement of his ears. It's very. As we've talked about many times, very, like, cat coded. Even, like, droid coded in a way. You know, the ability to transcend language, to forge such a deep bond. And I do think that the moments. I mean, seasons one and two are so superior to season three that, like, it is.

[C]

We all agree.

[A]

And that was 19 and 20, right? So, like, I understand sitting here in the year of our Lord 20, 26 and saying, like, it's been a minute since I felt like they totally knew what to do with Grogu. But I think that the sins of season three. Grogu receding in season three to make room for and to, like, be clear, I'm a Bo Katan head. Love bow. And the animated. But the designers, in terms of accessories,

[C]

I would rather have Grogu than the Darksaber.

[A]

Well, you know, I love the Darksaber, and I'm still fucking pissed, guys.

[B]

The criteria for a character, especially in Star wars, it's a high bar for it to be the completion of an arc or evolution or even change.

[C]

I don't need a completion.

[B]

You know, I would just say, like, there's like, C3PO. What's his arc?

[A]

I mean, God.

[B]

I mean, he's a great character.

[C]

He is a great character.

[B]

And you just want him to keep on C3 poing. I mean, here we have a situation where the Olsen twins can be perpetually cute, adorable Olsen twins. They don't have to grow up or anything. And I can guarantee you that's a personal experience in this, the fandom is like, we want to hear what Grogu has to say. We want him to start talking, you know, and then as soon as you do it, if he's basically like, what if the. Okay, I will tell you what happens in the last five minutes.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

The Gettysburg Address.

[B]

He looks. He looks. He looks up at Din and he just goes, sup?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And that's directed by Jon Favreau.

[C]

Is it just what's up? Or is it like a Budweiser? Like, what's up?

[B]

I don't want to spoil that for you.

[C]

Okay, thank you. It's all about the execution.

[B]

He's going to say a word.

[A]

Not in the movie.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No, I don't think so. Guys, what's the word gonna be? Cookie? If it's cookie, I'll lie.

[C]

It's gonna be dad or father. Or daddy. Whatever cut of the Odyssey trailer he watch.

[B]

I hope it's funny. And it is like pining for a daddy.

[A]

Pining for a daddy. That would be.

[C]

Wait till my dad comes out.

[A]

If he goes full Pattinson in Holland.

[C]

That would be iconic.

[A]

Grogu has trauma, right? He has PTSD. Those order 66 flashbacks, incredibly moving and riveting stuff. He makes choices. And like, we've talked. I agree. I think the main one to point to is the Luke decision. What about when Din is in peril in Mandalore and Grogu just, like, gets in his craft and goes to find Bo Katan and bring her back? He expresses. And he expresses terror, desire, hunger. I mean, could a proper accessory nearly end Frog Lady's line if it's hungry enough?

[B]

It feels a little ageist.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

That's all.

[A]

But because he's old, because he's 53, or because he's young, because he's like, equivalent to a five year old.

[B]

Star wars doesn't do kids great. Like, the least interesting version of Anakin. The least interesting version of Leia, you know for sure. And so Grogu is still technically. I mean, what's the math? But he's five.

[A]

Yeah, I think so. Because he's 50. In season one of the Mandalorian, everyone

[B]

in this banquette had a lot to say at 5, I can guarantee you. And I would listen to a podcast of you two five year olds.

[A]

I was gonna say he's a real

[B]

smart ass about juice boxes.

[A]

Oh man. Capri sun would have been a Capri Sun. I think maybe a sunny delight.

[B]

Someone needs to get an AI generated. Two of you as five year olds.

[C]

It's not welcome on this podcast.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I want to commission it. Make it happen.

[A]

Yoda lived to 900. So if we now what? We don't know because we've got Yoda, we've got Yaddle, despite Yaddle's erasure in the Mandoverse, we have Yoda and Yaddle and now Grogu. We know Yoda's age is that standard for members of their species. We don't have enough information to say so, but let's just assume it is. It basically means that the lifespan is like 10 times ish a human lifespan. So Grogu is about the equivalent of a five year old kid. That tracks to me other than the absence of speaking. But he's repressed.

[C]

Here's what I.

[A]

He was hiding his powers.

[B]

He's garn a lot of training. I've been trained by five to.

[A]

Here's what I'm remembering.

[C]

In this movie. He will begin and end the same. That's what I think in this movie. And that's fine. I'm just saying it presents a problem, I think when you're trying to make compelling television. And I know I'm saying this next to the person who's made the most compelling television, but I've made some compelling television. I think it presents a problem. And that's because they don't want him to change and so they don't know what to do with him.

[A]

Follow up question asked in good faith. What about the change that he instills in others? Genuinely asking this. Right? Like Din is a radically different character because of Grogu's impact.

[C]

He has grown as a father because

[A]

of his relationship to the character Grogu,

[C]

to a really cute accessory.

[A]

I gotta say, I think Grogu is one of the most important creations in the history of mankind. And he has made an impact on my life that I cherish and am grateful for. And I really hope this movie's good.

[C]

I also hope that for you. I do.

[B]

He's gonna be adorable no matter what.

[A]

He's so cute.

[C]

He will be adorable.

[B]

And I feel like I don't want to see him as a teenager, and he'll be a teenager for, like, 120 years.

[C]

No, the problem is. Nor do I. I don't really want to see, like, the Teen Groot version of.

[B]

Although I like Teen Groot.

[C]

I mean, I like Teen Groot, but I don't want to see that inside of the Mandalorian. So I feel stuck as well, because I don't want him to change. But I also think that puts you in a tight corner narratively. That's all I wanted to say. Thank you so much for letting me derail the podcast.

[B]

No, it's okay. It's a good.

[A]

It's not derailing.

[B]

It's a great argument.

[A]

We're here to discuss things we love.

[B]

Wait, guys. I was very accessory right now.

[C]

I was very certain that Daemon would be on Mallory's side, given the tenor of our text messages.

[A]

I'm absolutely thrilled.

[C]

I was very certain.

[B]

I have a low bar for characters in Star wars in terms of what I expect of them. Oh, interesting.

[C]

I don't know that that's true.

[B]

I just want Bib Fortuna to keep fortuning, you know? Like, I don't want Salacious Crumb to have misgivings.

[C]

Nor do I, but I'm not gonna go see a movie called Mando and Salacious Crumb.

[A]

Yes, you would. Yes, you would.

[B]

You would be there on opening night, just called Salacious.

[C]

I would see it because Salacious Michael

[A]

and It's a chrome story. I'm in. I am. What are the.

[C]

Is it se.

[A]

Do the kids say I'm seated or I'm sad? I keep forgetting. Which one is it? I can't help it. It's so old and washed, I think they say. I'm satisfied. I ask you this.

[B]

Why does Salacious Crumb get a last name and Grogu doesn't? And Yoda doesn't?

[C]

Grogu. Jarin.

[A]

Now he's Din Grogu, which is in. I feel like that still.

[B]

Oh, right.

[A]

Doesn't. Totally.

[B]

Okay. Because they.

[C]

Because everyone else calls him Din.

[A]

Yeah, well, and because, like, Bo. Katan kree. Like, we have the structure of the Mandalorian surname, and that's not it. But maybe that's because that was Din's name before he was a family.

[C]

Four times.

[A]

Yeah, we solved it. Look at that. Look at us.

[B]

Workshop ideas and just nobody ever asked him probably that. How do we even know his name is Grogu?

[A]

It's just Ahsoka sensed it through the Force. You think he renamed himself? He's like, I'm gonna. Just like. He named him a rebrand. Maybe it's a post order 66 rebrand. He decided to change.

[C]

Well, can we get Ahsoka back to find out what his last name is? That's my question.

[B]

It's Berkowitz. The last five minutes.

[A]

Oh, my God. Where was he? Bar mitzvah.

[C]

And what was the theme?

[B]

I'll get back to you on that.

[A]

I think his theme would have been much like mine, something snack food. Mine was Jell. Oh, Jell O and good evening. I wiggled and jiggled my way through Mallory's bat Mitzvah, so I think Grogu would have. You told me that your theme was

[C]

Jell O so many times without saying that. You said Jello and good evening.

[A]

Jello and good evening was like, there was a sign when you walked in and I both signed.

[B]

There was like a hanging Sharpie.

[A]

Yes, well, and then there was like a picture board also that people. People signed the place, the place setting. Things were Jello cups that I knew, which I ate to clean.

[C]

I know. Petition papers, everything else except for Jello and good evening, which is.

[A]

Yeah, most people give away some shir. I gave away boxer shorts, and there was a Jello mold on the ass, and it said I wiggled and jiggled my way through Mallory's bat mitzvah. By the way, parents never sent me to Hebrew school. I was just like, my friends were making bank. I'm really jealous. Like, an aggressive year of tutoring. Got in, got out.

[B]

That's how you do it.

[A]

That's how bought a MacBook. Wasn't compatible with the Baltimore county public school system. Had to get rid of it.

[C]

What makes a good Star wars movie?

[B]

Yeah, great question.

[A]

The Mandalorian and Grogu. First movie since 2019, as we said. So. Yeah. Like, when you're thinking about the experience in the theater, at home, when you revisit it over time, when you saw it for the first time. Like, before we talk about this movie more particularly, what makes a Star wars movie work for you? What are you looking for in a Star wars movie?

[B]

We're distinguishing between a Star Wars TV show.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

Like, we're very specifically saying movie.

[A]

Yeah. You obviously can say what works for you in Star wars in general, but for a movie, because that's, of course, part of this discussion, right. Is that this was a television show for three seasons and now it is a film.

[C]

Now Favreau's like, it has nothing to do with that TV season that we broke. That's the line he's going with now.

[B]

Well, by answering that question, I'm not saying that the Mandalorian does not have this as a TV show. In fact, we all know that it does sometimes. But I think scale is probably the, you know, whether you're talking about the cinematic approach to it and the set pieces, but more importantly, sort of like the sense that this is a bigger story than some of the sidequest stories. It has at least the energy of like a Mando finale in terms of we are moving the bar in a significant way. I would have said, if not for the existence of Rogue One, that it needs to advance the story and the mythology forward. Like, I need to learn something new inside the canon. And I wouldn't say that I. While Rogue One is definitely one of, if not close to, my favorite Star wars movie in terms of when I experienced it for the first time, the fate of the characters was assumed. But then when it came, it still felt I was still emotionally, very, very deeply into it. And more importantly, it elevated the original trilogy when I watched it again. And of course, then we get andor and again we know what his fate is. And so all that stuff. There is a sense of discovery inside the canon, even though it's not moving the story forward per se. But, yeah, bigness is a big part of it. And then I feel like the emotion, the feels that you get at the end of the thing, they have to be like 5x what the feels you get watching it on the small screen would be. That's my expectation, especially after all this time.

[C]

So, like, do you anticipate that from this movie? And Lauren Grogu five Time feels.

[B]

I don't know if that's what they're going for. I mean, I think that the promise of the title is that I don't think. Again, I'm not going to pre criticize, but I think if it's just some version of some schmuck baity version of one of them's gonna die and then the other one saves them at the 11th hour. That is not what I'm talking about. But there's some. We've already done the breakup and the comeback together, so it can't be that. It can't be we're parting ways or we're separating. But I do think the idea, because it's a movie, it needs to end in a way that feels closer to Empire than Jedi. That would be my hope. And I don't think there have been formal plans announced of when the next Mandalorian installment is going to be. No, but I also haven't heard that this is the end of the Mandalorian story, so. So therefore, it needs to end in kind of a satisfying way. Not like Empire, which was kind of a cliffhanger. We knew that it was the second movie in a trilogy. But at the same time, you know, you get Luke with his arm around Leia, like looking out at space. Han is in carbonite fucked. But it does feel like a completed story that is about to continue. And I'm guessing we're gonna get that kind of energy. And I just hope that it's not like one of those characters is in jeopardy. And also, I anticipate possibly, and I won't be disappointed if this doesn't happen, but the onboarding of a new character inside of this movie that is hopefully maybe an old friend from the Filoni canon, but also potentially as exciting as Grogu was when he first showed up, which is like, oh, shit, now this. And that's the other thing that I think that you need from a movie is there needs to be an addition. You need to get Joe Pesci into Lethal Weapon. You know, like arguably horrible, but.

[C]

But something.

[B]

Yeah, but something memorable, but something.

[C]

I. The way that they're selling this movie, we haven't seen it. I don't know any details if they're hiding the ball on some major reveal, and they've only shown us the first half of the movie in the trailer or something like that. But I feel like they're just trying to sell a rip roaring good time adventure and they're aiming for something much lighter and adventurous in tone. And I will not be disappointed. It will not be unexpected to me if this just feels like a large scale episode of the Mandalorian. And I won't be mad about it because that's what I expect of it. And so that's where I'm setting my expectation.

[A]

Yeah, I think this is fascinating because some of it is. What are you bringing to it? People who really loved certainly Season one. I mean, we'll talk about some of the moments and episodes that we think are maybe most emblematic of what the Mandalorian does at its best. And I'll spoil for you that both my picks, perhaps controversially, I don't know, come from season two, which is actually my favorite Season. I know a lot of people say season one is their favorite.

[B]

My pick is from season two.

[A]

Yeah. I just think season two is astonishingly accomplished and also the best case version of widening the world and trying to connect the universe while still maintaining a central focus on your core characters and their relationship and their story. That calculus is was wacky in season three and Lost. Right. But the movie, it's. And, and who knows, you know, with like the whispers about what was the original intention and what was tweaked and right. It was going to be season four and then it became a movie. It feels like it's at least semi credible to say that at some point this was going to be more of a like connected universe. Ahsoka Thrawn Fest. And now it's much more. And now it's much more. Let's rediscover that season one spirit of our buddies on their adventure, which I don't think is wrong or bad. I do think that it has introduced among like our big pic brethren. Talk about Friends of the Pod. A little bit of a. Is this actually just a season of television that they're putting on the big screen now? I not only won't mind that because I love television, I think in some ways it would be welcome if it meant that it felt like a TV show because it had the room to center the bond that we're invested in and give a shit about. However, to Damon's point, I agree. Like when you're sitting, I mean, Star wars is a one of one in terms of like what you are hoping you get when you walk into a movie theater in all directions in terms of the outcome. When it's good, you are levitating and transcending to a different place of fandom and existence. Right. It's like one of the most fulfilling and rewarding experiences as a fan and a moviegoer. When it lets you down, it breaks your heart, right? And so I think that it has to give you that feeling, not only one to one, of like, I care about these characters and I get to see them look at what they're doing. It's grand, it's big, it's vast. There's scope, there's scale, there's an adventure. But it also has to give you that like, I think feeling of community. Like Star wars is so special when it's shared, you know, that's what when

[C]

the first question, what makes a good Star wars movie? To me, my experience watching it in theaters and I saw, you know, the prequels in theater and that was about lining up. And even if we were disappointed, we were all disappointed together, et cetera, et cetera. And then the sequel trilogy, you know, and I love the Force Awakens. We were all disappointed together. But I would go to like often premieres for the sequel trilogy or for Rogue One. And then I would. But I would go opening night to go see it with everyone else in the theater. Cause I wanted to see it with people who were so excited to see it. And I would see it multiple times, see them multiple times in the theater. Force Awakens, I think I saw like eight times in the theater because it was just such a joyous experience to hear people gasp when Han and Chewie show up or, you know, when the fighters show up.

[B]

They hadn't seen the trailer.

[C]

I mean, but still, you know, or to coup over BB8 or whatever the case may be.

[A]

Or like, I do love BB8.

[C]

And this is gonna be controversial because a lot of people don't like this movie and that's fine. But the silence, the pin drop silence in the theater, all done for the Holdo Maneuver is one of the coolest things that's ever happened to me inside of a movie theater.

[A]

One of my all time movie theater moments.

[C]

So that's part of a Star wars movie experience to me is that communal shock and awe.

[B]

What would you think would happen if you walked up to Laura Dern in the Wild and basically said what you just said, do you think she'd go, what are you talking about?

[C]

Like a real Gwyneth Altro.

[A]

I remember that movie.

[B]

You were just basically like, halga maneuver, bitch. And what would she say? I think she'd be like, what? I think you've gotten me confused with somebody else.

[A]

I mean that was.

[B]

She knows that she was haul though. But like, anyway, I think you make a really good point, Joe, because I went and saw the Stranger Things finale in a theater and my experience watching it was like, this is fucking awesome. And then I walked out and was like, online was like doing the thing that it does. But I think that the communal experience of everybody being there together and that was a scenario where it was a pitched anxiety of who's gonna live and who's gonna die. And I think that if I had been watching Steve's Fall at Home by myself, I would have been like, lame. But in the theater, when people were screaming and then cheering when he was okay, I was like, oh, this is how I'm feeling about it too. So you get. It's like going to see live comedy. It's contagious. You're laughing hysterically. And so I do. But I would say that the bar should be a little higher here than, hey, the finale of Mando is showing at your local amc. Go buy a ticket. It has to kind of be its own thing. And I think like, obviously a comp is the X Files movie, which is. It sort of was like the story wasn't complete. Mulder and Scully are gonna get it on. We're gonna give you some core mythology answers and it's gonna. And it's also gonna be its own story, but it's an alien story that kind of connects into some of the other stuff. And we're gonna have big huge set pieces that we could never ever do in Vancouver or LA when they move back. And so I think that when we saw the super bowl ad, everybody's sort of lament was, I'm definitely going to see it, but it feels like an episode. Even with the big at ATS falling, it just, it better not be. And I'm kind of with you guys where I'm like, I'm cool with it just being a great 90 minute episode of Mando, but I guess I would say what does a 90 episode of Mando look like? Cause I've never seen one that like, I'll be honest with you, sometimes at like 42 minutes I'm like, it's dry.

[A]

So it's.

[B]

But John's a great writer and Dave knows what he's doing. And so I think it's, you know,

[C]

I think it might feel like three episodes of Mando.

[B]

Yeah, I'm guessing high 80s on RT. That's my call.

[A]

I mean, high 80s. I think that would be a win.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, right. That feels like a positive narrative around the film. If it's like especially cause of all the box office consternation, you know, which I guess is like leveled out a bit.

[B]

But also they've done a good level set on, you know, on what they expected to do and like. And I think that it's poised to overperform because it is a family movie. And I just think that all the people who are grumbling about not being super duper excited about it are going to wake up next Wednesday morning and be like, oh, Chris Ryan this weekend

[A]

who has said into the microphone, I will not see that movie. I won't do it. He's going to be there on night one. You know it.

[C]

I don't know about night one, but he'll be there opening weekend.

[A]

I think he will be There opening weekend.

[B]

He will be there at 11am that's probably true.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That's probably true. With Amanda's son.

[C]

I'm not that stressed. I'm not that stressed about other people at the ringer thinking this is a bad idea. Like, who cares? It's not for them. You know what I mean?

[A]

This is exactly. I'm glad you said that. I wanted to talk about that for a minute.

[B]

I was gonna say, though, will it suck if there aren't any hot takes to be had? Like, if it's just a fastball.

[A]

If it's just.

[C]

This is fine.

[B]

If it's just. If the only hot take is I loved it. I found it subpar versus it made a move or two that we either like or we don't like. Like, you know, Ryan's movie, which is like love it or hate it that we're still talking about it, which is what I have always believed that Star wars needs to try.

[C]

No, and I agree. And I just don't. I think they're so scared right now. All of Hollywood is scared right now that they want the easiest, like, blandest win that they can get. That's what I think.

[B]

Yeah, but Hollywood wants weapons. It doesn't. It doesn't want bland. It's never want.

[C]

I, I. Okay, I, I agree. I just think that I, I, I'm just tempering my own expectations, I guess.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. But I would.

[A]

Only one of us drafted a third in in the third round of the annual hype draft.

[C]

No, but I would, I would rather, of course, a Star wars movie that swings and misses. I would rather an experiment. I would rather. And, Andor obviously that hits, but is really trying something than a show that is. That feels like it was made scared.

[B]

You know, we know that we're gonna get cameo porn, you know, like, it's basically like on your bingo card. Are we gonna see Timo? Like, are we, you know, I hope so. Oh, yeah. But it's sort of like, is Caradoon gonna show up? Like, is that what healing that rift was about? Did they go and grab a piece? Like, are we gonna get some version of Endgame where people standing in front of Green Scre in the final battle and, like, he's he. Cause I do think, like, that I would be okay with. I would be okay with whatever the third acc. Set piece is. Is like fucking Bill Burr, you know? Like, I mean, that would be.

[A]

Migs. Mayfeld is welcome always. He's been great. In both of his episodes, he's been fantastic. Well, that's one of the things I wanted to ask you guys about, actually, is that aspect of nostalgia, like, how much we want this to be nostalgic or fresh. Both, like across Star wars, but also inside of the Mandalorian. Cause I think what you've identified there is more like Mando specific nostalgia that feels like more welcome for Versus Digitally.

[C]

DH Luke or.

[A]

Well, as you know, I loved that in both Mando and Boba Fett. Not the digital de aging part, but just like I thought there was something. Putting those episodes and those moments in Boba was absurd, obviously, but like, when Luke showed up at the. In the season two finale, I. I felt as alive as I've ever felt. I was still like, will it be Ezra? And it wasn't. But then we got Ezra eventually with his crab claws.

[C]

I.

[A]

I think that there's something about, like, clarity of intention and vision. Right? Because, like, we love Last Jedi. Rise of Skywalker is, I think, like, genuinely like a crime and a scandal because it's cowardly to cow to your bad faith fans and be afraid to execute a bold and specific vision. So if Mando is like, we want to rediscover the root of what this story was always supposed to be and what worked and what was good and what people loved, I think there's kind of like a nobility, actually in recalibrating around the thing that, you know, was viable. Star wars should be a big tent and it should be welcoming, but andor worked to your point because it was utterly specific and had clarity. It's not for. It's not for it.

[C]

The thing about Star wars is the fandom is too large now to please them all. And so I don't think, like, what Lucasfilm wants is a trilogy of films, you know, that. That are just gonna make a gajillion dollars and everyone's going to love them. But I actually think the Star wars fandom is too big, has spent too much time with too many different strains of, you know, the books or the animated shows or whatever the case may be, that there is no pleasing all of them. And so I think what will stand the test of time is something like Andor or something like the Last Jedi, which is just like. It's not widely pleasing, but it endures in a way that the Rise of Skywalker has not.

[A]

I think that some people are watching to use the super bowl trailer to go back to that. I think some people are like, this is just clearly. I think there's. The critique of this feels too commercial or nakedly Craven. In terms of Chasing the Almighty Dollar. I don't know. It's like a. I think the. Oh, this seems like it's a movie for kids. I'm like, that's fine. Yeah, that's okay. Like a Star wars movie that's for kids or for family. I think that's really exciting, actually.

[C]

That was my education around the prequels when, like, I went to see the prequels when I was, you know, 18, and I hated them. And then I met the generation that grew up with them, and they're like, no, that's pod racing. We love those movies, you know? And so it's just sort of like, okay, that was for you, and it wasn't for me at that time, so I know it was also for you, but that's okay.

[B]

I know this sounds so reductive, but it's also true, which is the movie just needs to be great and give you feels. And I was completely and totally out on Rogue One as a premise. And as I've already stated earlier, it's sort of like, holy shit, this movie is fucking amazing. I care about these people. Even though I know what the outcomes are ultimately gonna be. Whatever process they went through in order to get the end result, I thought was a triumph. And so I'm like, that's me being wrong. And just to talk about the bantha in the room, I was fired off of a Star wars movie. So asking me, you know, they asked me, what do you think a Star wars movie should be? And I said, here's what it should be. And they said, great, you're hired. And then two years later, I was fired. And so I was wrong, at least through that prism. But what we were attempting to do, my partner, Justin Brick Gibson and Raina McClendon and I, what we were attempting to do was to have this conversation in the movie, which is to say there is a force of nostalgia and there is a force of revision, and they are at odds with one another. And let's do the Protestant Reformation inside Star Wars. And it didn't work.

[A]

Sounds amazing.

[B]

And so you kind of get. You have your cake and eat it too, but the conversation that the fandom is having without winking and looking at the audience, and that didn't feel necessarily that risky. And I may have been fired not just because they seem to like the premise. It was just the writing was really hard. It was slow, like, the tone, getting it right, where it was inside of the canon, what its relationship was with to Episode nine. Is it starting a new trilogy? Is it like, all of those things, they're so massive, they're so big. It's like to say this thing, it's the old sort of tanker equation, which is you turn the wheel and it takes five minutes before it turns a little bit like this. And so I think that that idea of, like, we're looking for the center of Star wars, and when Episode seven came out, we all knew what it was. It was Rey and it was Finn and it was Poe, and it was like all these. And then we were migrating back in Luke and Leia and Han and Chewie and all those guys. But we got the sense that when this new trilogy was over, we were gonna be launching with these new characters, and that was the center of Star Wars. The new question is Mando, Are Mando and Grogu the center of Star wars now?

[C]

I think that's what they decided. It was a couple seasons, like, you know, that once, you know, Filoni and Favreau start building out Boba Fett and Ahsoka, and everything is just hinging out of the Mandalorian Grogu world, then it does become their new center. And I think that's too much to put on the original concept of Mandalorian Grogu, which is this, like, spare Western adventure sort of story. And all of a sudden we're carrying the burden of the ongoing Skywalker saga and roping in all the thread, various animated shows and explaining somehow Palpatine returned. They're just like. They're putting so much on tiny little Grogu's shoulders.

[B]

But you could have made Grogu look like any cute thing, and you could have made Mando's armor look like anything. But one is reminiscent of Boba Fett and the other one is a direct correlation. He was called Baby Yoda, at least in the vernacular. And so I think that that idea of sort of like, we love these things. This baby Yoda feels different than the super aged Yoda, and this guy feels different than Boba Fett in terms of his entire vibe. But I think that kind of idea of having a familiar package. I don't want to see a Toy Story movie that doesn't have Buzz and Woody in it. I don't like. I would, but I don't want to those two characters. It doesn't mean that I don't care about fucking Rex, but, like, I don't care about fucking Rex, but it's great.

[A]

Sorry.

[C]

Wallace is great.

[A]

I love Rex.

[B]

Props to Wallace. Sean. That's Rex, right?

[A]

Totally fair.

[B]

John Ratzenberger I could do with that, but that's politics.

[C]

Is the analog, then is the Buzz and Woody of the Star wars universe, the Skywalker family? Like, do you have to have the Skywalker family connect to it? Because the. The miracle of Andor is that it doesn't.

[B]

No, you don't.

[C]

So you don't. So there isn't a Buzz and Woody that needs to be in a Star wars property to make it feel like a Star wars property. Would you agree or disagree?

[B]

I would agree. I mean, there's an argument to be made for the fact that Cassian Andor basically is at the dawn of the Rebellion and that eventually there's a direct correlation between if Cassian is. Andor is never born, Luke Skywalker never gets into an X wing finger fighter and destroys the Death Star. And so the idea that these characters connect in some way and are part of each other's stories, you know, Obi Wan's promise in A New Hope is this idea that the Force binds us together. All of us, everything. The energy field. And so a Star wars story, I do think that the Skywalker story right now has still got the gravitational pull of the sun and everything else is orbiting around it. Until somebody, you know, Ryan Gosling could, in two years, we could basically be like, that's where we're going now. That's where it is.

[C]

Blast that hunky jump out of the sky.

[B]

And I will say I'm more excited about Starfighter than I am about Mando and Grogu, even though those are characters that I love. And I am genuinely excited because I don't know what's going. I don't know what Starfighter is. And also it appears to take place in a timeline where anything could happen and characters could be killed. And I don't know what the state of play is with the first order or, you know, so that terrain, that's the most exciting terrain post 9.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

To me, it's still a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. The thing about Star wars is you can't do, period. It's not like, oh, the music we were listening to in the 20s. Or like Mon Moths outfit like, basically says, like, oh, this is clearly. Droids look like fucking droids. Blasters look like blasters, Ships look like ships.

[C]

Knights of the Old Republic. Like some of, you know, the much older, earlier ideas, the origin of the

[A]

Force and stuff like that. I think that that, like the idea of something new and unexplored and that sense of wonder and possibility feels you Know, very exciting. I think that, like, you know, to the somehow Palpatine return point and just the First Order in the New Republic and all of it, like, it's. I don't know. On the one hand, I think they're. The promise of that and the potential of that is not totally dissimilar from like, the prequels are uneven at best. Revenge of the Sith, I've always. But you know how I feel about Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. But like, the way that the animated verse and what Filoni did with those shows really fleshed out key character choices and beats in a timeline that helped enhance then our appreciation of the Cornerstone films. So I think, like, I think what a different story for sure. Anakin, Ahsoka, Obi Wan, all of that. Like, even like Dooku and Ventress and characters like that grievous. Like, I think the idea. Our Guy Maul. I think the idea of saying we want to help everybody better understand how the New Republic blew it and how the First Order rose is intellectually interesting. But, like, I think the idea of everything coming back to, like, Palpatine and cloning is at perilous at best. I mean, that's a real quagmire of, like, fan exhaustion.

[C]

And I was thinking about that. The premise to set this story in the sort of, like, interregnum between the fall of the Empire and the rise of the First Order is fascinating, but that requires, like, a political science mind behind the show, which is not what's behind the show. They're making an adventure tale and also trying to. To explain the cyclical nature of Imperial rule. And I'm like. And it. It really hurts it to be playing out next to Andor, which does have a political science mind behind it.

[A]

Totally. And I. I would say, like, probably if you polled every Mando viewer, the closest you'd get to consensus. Is that, like, a series low point? Well, they would say the Lizzo Jack Black episode, but then next up on the nomination list would be the. The Pershing Kane, the Operation Paperclip. Yeah. Coruscant Detour Episode 3 of. Of season 3. It's like, what? So to try to achieve that through the characters who don't really unlock that possibility in an authentic and, like, appropriate way is slightly odd. I'm like, so in the bag not only for Grogu and Mando as characters, Mando as characters I love, but, like, I mean, you know how I feel about Ahsoka. She's one of my favorite Star wars characters, period. Like, I love Star Wars Rebel, so getting Ezra in the mix, Sabine in the mix, Thrawn was, like, so thrilling as a possibility. And I'm like, what? This is what we're doing with Sabine. Like, this is just sort of puzzling, right? So I remain very optimistic and hopeful. I'm very invested in Grogu, specifically because of what you were saying earlier. I think that, like, so much of Star wars, one of the most important franchises in our lives and many people's lives. Correct. When you step back from it and you look at it, you're like, why do these characters who I love, these heroes who we put on pedestals, keep making the same mistakes? Right? And there's something very human and relatable and interesting about that, of course. And especially watching those cycles play out over time and generations. Right? Like Luke making the Mist, when Ahsoka's like, I can't train him. It's devastating. And you want to shake her, but then she can say, I've seen what this does, like, to somebody I love. Right? So you understand the moment. Like Grogu saying, without words, but through his actions and his choices.

[C]

Babbling and cooing.

[A]

Yeah, his babbles and his coos and his grumbles. Let's not forget the grumbles. They're sometimes the cutest of all. Tell me that attachment's bad. Like, fuck you, man. Why? Why is it bad to love someone and, like, want to live a life with them? I just think it's amazing, you know? So I can't wait to see what they do next. I hope that it's good and fun. I hope that the movie gives us that spirit of convention.

[B]

It'll be fun.

[A]

I hope so.

[B]

It's definitely.

[A]

I hope it doesn't feel just like.

[B]

I bet that's Pokemon fun.

[A]

I think it'll be. I think the trailers have been good.

[C]

A Hutt has some abs.

[A]

Okay, but let me. Let me. What more could you ask for? I'm glad you mentioned. And Rhoda, sweet little stinky, because this was actually not the. Like. Wait, did I just think a Budweiser commercial was a Budweiser commercial and then realized it was a Mando trailer. I was fine with that. The one moment where I was like, what's happening here? Was when they just released the clip and we basically got the premise. Cause we've understood the premise kind of in macro, right? We end season three with a couple key developments. Dan has adopted Grogu as his son. Right. And Grogu has graduated from Foundling to apprentice. And the armorer has said, take him on his journeys. Just like you did.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Okay. That's one thing that we end on. The other thing we end on is Din goes to Adelphi Base, seeks out Carson Teva and says, gotta be more selective with my bounty hunting assignments now because I've got the little one. The New Republic is a fucking mess. You guys can't control the Outer Rim. You definitely can't hunt down these Imperial realms. Use me as an independent contractor. So this is like, has held as the premise for this movie. Right? So Gorney Weaver's character, Colonel Ward, is, as we can tell from all of the trailers and the marketing and the positioning of the film, basically sending Din and Grogu out on missions to hunt down Imperial remnants. Okay. But then they released, and we knew that Rad of the Hutt was in it. We know that the twins from Boba fame are in it. Puzzling. We got this, like, little mini glimpse we've seen. If you guys, this is where, like, if you don't want to hear this, fast forward a couple times. We're gonna talk about some of the stuff in the little, like, one minute clips.

[B]

They've think I've seen the clips.

[A]

You're about to get spoilers.

[B]

This is exciting.

[A]

Colonel Ward is like, the Hutt twins have information on where Colonel Coin is. We don't know. Is that one of the members of the Shadow Council who we saw in Mando Season three, Episode seven, presumably? Right?

[C]

I believe it is, yeah.

[A]

You're gonna go to Nal Hutta, you're gonna meet with the twins, and in exchange, they're going to give us this information so you can hunt down this Imperial remnant. And in exchange for that, you need to go rescue Radha the Hutt, who is being held against his will by a competing syndicate in the gladiatorial rings. Go Rescue Radha is literally the plot of a previous Star wars movie. That's the plot of the 2008 movie Clone Wars. That makes me nervous. Like, that does feel like a little bit like Filoni running it back in a bad way. So. So that said, maybe that's just like one scene. The other scene that they released was the twins taking his helmet, taking Den's helmet. They're like, we're shaming you.

[C]

Don't worry. Pedro Pascal was on set for this. Exactly.

[A]

We're going to show you his beautiful face. It was definitely him. They take the helmet, Beskar.

[B]

Oh. And he's like, now I got to kill you.

[A]

Well, and they threaten Grogu, right? They're like, first you, then him, we're going to shame. So obviously this plot has this arrangement with the Hutts. Stop me if you've heard this before. It didn't go exactly according to plan. What is this just like one of a few scenarios that Din is in as he's out hunting Imperial remnants, or is this actually the engine of the plot? I don't know, but I was like, they've actually already done that before. Like, Anakin and Ahsoka going to save Radha is the plot of a prior Star wars movie. I find that a little odd. Still very excited for the film, but even.

[B]

Yeah, this is not gonna be Rogue One. We all know that it's not gonna be Rogue One. But even Rogue One is like, we gotta go do a thing, we gotta go do another thing. Now we're gon do another thing. And the way that it plays is arguably episodic, as Star wars does this. Well, now we're in the Asteroids, now you're on Dagobah, now we're in Cloud City. But there's something sort of pulling us through. And I do get the sense. And I haven't seen these clips, but it feels like that's all gotta be from the first 20 minutes and then we're past it. This is like. Like we're watching. That's like. I don't know if we're getting like a James Bond opening, whether they're mid mission or whatever, before they hang with Sigourney and sort of get like. But, you know, again, I'm not. It's not our job to predict here, but it's like they're gonna be told that it's Thing One. It's not gonna be an episode of the Clone Wars. They're gonna be betrayed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, I don't know if she.

[A]

And then what?

[B]

And then things are completely and totally off the rails. And then we're in the movie.

[A]

We've seen Grogu with the demons, bringing

[C]

characters his most anticipated element of this movie.

[A]

We know Zeb is here to tell

[B]

us what she thinks about the First Order. Yeah, I want.

[A]

Do they have Twitter in a galaxy far, far away?

[B]

I think we should build a space wall.

[A]

How long do you think they're going to be separated for? Because a lot of the trailer is like, Grogu with the Unzellan's. Very cute. We love it. The namesake of our listeners, the Bhad babies. We see Din separate from Grogu quite a bit.

[C]

This is a reversal of our usual eye am like, I've been kind of mostly avoiding the trailers knowing anything. And you're like, no, no, there's nothing wrong.

[A]

It's just I'm usually up every second.

[C]

I'm usually one who's like analyzing freeze

[A]

frame in the trailer. You knew that.

[C]

No, I know.

[A]

I'm not. I've not read any leaks. I don't know anything other than what they have put on. I know Star Wars YouTube channel and Instagram. My only source is truth.

[C]

I'm not accusing you of having done anything. I just sort of like, I don't. I haven't been. I've been intentionally not overthinking this, I guess, is my copium for this.

[A]

Well, let me ask you to go back into the past then, instead of prognosticating, okay, what episode of the Mandalorian or the book of Boba Fett, should you choose? What's your is most emblematic of? Like, what, this fictional universe? This slice of it. Right. The Mandoverse.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Mandalorian and Grogu. Like what, this show? This version of it.

[C]

Yeah. I want to know Damon's answer.

[A]

This was so easy. You for.

[B]

Well, it's either the season premiere of season two.

[C]

Oh, that's my answer.

[A]

Van five.

[C]

That's my answer.

[B]

Which is my hard lean. Or it's the third episode of season one, which is really. Which is when he gives at the time the child over to Werner Herzog.

[A]

Yeah. The client.

[B]

And you know, and Werner does his whole sort of spiel of like, our business is done, you know, his bear talk. And then he goes and hangs. Hangs with and grows a moral spine and then comes back. And that's the first real sort of like emotional launch of the show. So I feel like that's when, you know, he came back. You know, that's when the first sort of. I do like the emotion. And it becomes. This isn't to say that I didn't feel huge emotion in the season two finale for the rescue and Luke's arrival and the excitement of seeing the green lightsaber and all that stuff. But I do feel like that moment is reliant. It's not a trick, it's not a gimmick. I think there was hope that it would happen. As soon as Grogu is in his column of sendingness and calling out to all, we're like, well, I know last I heard there aren't that many Jedi floating around. And so we all wanted it and then we got what we wanted. But I think in Terms of sheer. Like, I care about these guys now. I'm following them anywhere. Season one, episode three. But season two opener, I was just like, season two premieres are really, really hard because they, you know, they need to say, you're still in the same show, but we can do this too. And I sort of just loved the way that that story was told. And Timmy, come on.

[A]

I mean, I just. Unbelievable.

[B]

How good does he look?

[C]

This was easy for me, not just

[A]

because of my cv, Cobb vanth Countdown.

[C]

Cobb Vanth thing, but Cobb Vanth is Emblema, like, really important that they accomplished, which is they. Yes, he had appeared in writing before, but they created, you know, as they did with Din Djarin and with Grogu, a whole cloth character that we're excited about. It's not just me with a Cobb Vanth Countdown. There were people asking Favreau recently is like, when's Cobb Vanth coming back? Where's Cobb Vanth? Like, he's so impossibly cool and wonderful in that episode.

[B]

We're gonna get him.

[A]

Looks great.

[B]

Yes, we're definitely gonna get him.

[C]

I. I dare not hope. I'm too scared.

[B]

Oh, God. That. That's on my bingo card.

[C]

But he's like. He's in the. He's in the Boba armor. So, like, the way that they teased it, right? You're like, oh, they're gonna give us Boba Fett. And they don't. They give us something way better than Boba Fett, which is a new character and expanding the world, making the world feel bigger. And then you get the Krayt dragon spectacle. It looks. I rewatched it.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Amazing. So in terms of that, like, big spectacle, you know, shock and awe and feels inside of something. I was like, this episode has everything. Because when you ask this question, my instinct was the Marshall. And I was like, joanna, are you gonna embarrass yourself? Because it's just about Cobb Vanth. And then I rewatched it. I was like, no, it's about following your heart. This episode slaps because it does exactly what I want the Mandalorian to do, which is make the world feel bigger. And sometimes it makes the world feel smaller. And I just want this whole galaxy

[B]

to feel massive and give us a person. Cause this is what we're all really talking about is like, what do we want a Star wars movie to do? Give us people to care about and like and want to follow and who are interesting and have dark and complicated pasts and, like, and we'll go anywhere with Them, like, just give us that. That's all we want.

[C]

Plus, John Leguizam is here.

[A]

And also have them be Timothy Oliphant looking really hot, as he says around here. I'm the one tells folks what to do.

[C]

Oh, Elite, More importantly, when Din Djarin's like, take it off or I'll take it off you.

[A]

You.

[C]

And then a million fan fans. And then Cobham's like, you're going to do that in front of your child?

[A]

He's seen worse.

[C]

He's seen, it's a very important episode of television.

[A]

And then Grogu, like, hops into the little pot.

[B]

It's getting hot in here.

[A]

Stuff. Always, always. This house of Arc contains adult content.

[C]

This is important. What's your answer?

[A]

I think we're being very on brand, so this won't surprise you either. You know what I'm going to pick? I'm picking season two, episode five, the Jedi, which I just love, of course, and was like, great duel. Yeah. It has the action first.

[B]

Live action.

[A]

Also, even just seeing Corvus and, like, you know, with Morgan Elspeth and what's happening there, like, that really undeniable reminder that, like, the Empire is gone. That's horseshit. Like, look at the rot and the plight across the galaxy. And, like, what is the New Republic doing about it? So, to the, like, are they contextualizing the state of play effectively? Like, that was a good example of doing that really well. The action was sick, right? Like, when Ahsoka's white blades, dual blades, fired up in live action for the first time. I just was, like, really happy about it. Then we get the Beskar spear duel, but I think much more so than that. It's about, like, again, like, the ability to incorporate other characters and stitch together this tapestry in a way that feels appropriate for what this story is and is supposed to be. Which I think really, like, we really lost our way with this is the Way, but we lost our way in season three. But here, when Ahsoka's here, it made sense because she unlocked something for us and for Din and for Grogu. Right? And those couple scenes with Ahsoka and Grogu I honestly just thought were, like, incredible, incredibly impactful. And then you have these moments like, Ahsoka's there, and that's a cool thing. And people are hyped if they care about Ahsoka, but it's never about Ahsoka more than it's about Grogu and Din and their bond. Even when she's like, I can't train him. You bring in Anakin, you bring in her history and her trauma. If you're a rebel's head, you're thinking about Malachor and Twilight of the Apprentice, but never more than. You're thinking about the fact that Michael Bean took. Michael Bean.

[B]

Is that a Deb Chow episode, that one?

[A]

No, that's just a double Filoni. It's directed and written by Filoni, which makes sense. Cause it's the Ahsoka live action debut.

[B]

I would say. Like, that episode feels very Dave, which means it feels very George. And I think George is here. We are this deep in the conversation, but it's sort of like he's become. George has become sort of a lightning rod for the thing that we're Talking about fucking 50 years, 49 years after it came out. And also he ruined it. But I think that we don't give him his flowers as often as we should. And it's like when Star wars is touching George, it's also touching Kurosawa. And that episode is like. It feels Japanese.

[C]

It does.

[B]

And it feels like a western. And it feels like all the things that he put in the blender. Absolutely. And made something new out of that is a good fucking smoothie.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And so it felt like we were expanding the world while rooting and anchoring in the characters we care about. Grogu's used the Force with Ahsoka. Fuck no. But like Din and the little. The little ball. The bauble from the ship. He does. Like. I just thought it was lovely. And I hope that they can. All the adventure and action in the film is still rooted in.

[B]

Not bad for a backdoor pilot.

[A]

Honestly.

[C]

It looks great. I think all of the episodes we picked look great. And. And there are times when you were watching the Mandalorian where you were like, I cannot believe television looks like this. It's extraordinary. And then I think they lost the plot on that a bit in season three. And I don't know that I've seen that yet in the trailers, but I'm hoping to get recapture some of that artistry. Your episode, the Krayt dragon sequence, there's artistry to it. And they end the episodes with those storyboards. And they're sort of like, we envisioned these and we painted these and then we executed it and. And that feeling I want to recapture.

[A]

Yes, I'm glad you mentioned that. That, like, I don't know, it's such a great way to just say to your audience, like, we couldn't wait to bring this to life.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, isn't that what making Star wars is about? It's so cool. What about a moment specific moment from the past? From Mando past or the book of Boba Fett episodes five, six, or seven that feel like they most capture. Maybe it's from the same episode you already picked, but maybe it's a different moment that feels like, this is the thing that I need to be in this movie. This is the thing that makes these characters special.

[B]

Yeah, I, you know, look, it.

[C]

It.

[B]

It is completely and totally manipulative in. In all the ways. But when he takes his helmet off,

[A]

how can it not be this?

[B]

That's my thing for ig. Yeah. Like, it's great. I mean, you're.

[C]

Oh, no, you're picking the first one.

[B]

Yeah, the.

[C]

I'm picking the first one. Okay.

[A]

We were picking Greg too.

[B]

You're picking Gregory.

[A]

But this is great because we both picked a finale moment where he removes the helmet and there's a key character beat happening.

[C]

Okay, Gregory, Great.

[B]

Okay, tell us the first one.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

You're picking the best.

[B]

And he's got an end around because it's a droid and he's, like, really fucked up. And you know that he's gonna be okay, but it's like, you know, obviously Pedro is one of our great actors and voice acting is acting, but I think we're all acutely aware that it's not always him, if at all him ever in that armor. And so that, like. Like the performance that you're getting in that three and a half minutes, four minutes, really is deeply impactful. And again, the show doesn't have to do that. And the fact that we care about this character independently of Grogu. Right. It's sort of like they are buddy cops, but at the same time, he's got a lot going on himself. Long before this adventure with this, you know, small alien kid, like, sort of came along. And so I don't know. And I love Taika and all that,

[C]

you know, it was a great.

[B]

That was great.

[C]

It's a great pick. It's a really good moment. And especially because we didn't know in watching season one, a, we didn't realize yet that, like, Pedro was not there on set, and B, that he was, like, never gonna be taking the helmet off. So then he finally did, and you're like, oh, my God, Pedro Pascal is here. But. And in season two, for him to

[A]

do it for Grogu.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Kills me.

[C]

Especially inside a moment where, like, you Guys love the Luke arrival, and I think that's great. It's not for me, but inside of a moment where I was, like, frustrated by that, it emotionally broke me to see Din Djarin take his helmet off for his kid so that he could see his face and say goodbye. That. That is very powerful.

[B]

Was it just the execution or was it that it was Luke?

[C]

I just have a weird thing around, like, digitally resurrecting.

[B]

That's reasonable.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good thing to have a weird thing about.

[C]

Creeps me out.

[A]

That's my pick as well. And I was hyped that Luke was there.

[C]

If they had recast, if they had cast Sebastian Stan or someone like that

[A]

to play, I mean, that would have been great. It went so well when they cast someone else to play on Solo.

[C]

Alden innocent, everyone innocent.

[A]

Everyone was fine with it. Hashtag makes faults.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Luke being there, very fun. But, like, Luke being there. Gideon, Bo, Katan, the.

[C]

The.

[A]

The. The. The transference of the. The Darksaber, Bo's horror, the Dark Trooper. None of it. None of it matters. No, R2, man, they're saying goodbye. It's this moment of farewell and a moment of choice, right? You have to choose to go with him and grow that hug, that embrace. He's so little in his hands. And Grogu reaching for the helmet and, like, see his face. And then Din, who. You know, we're at that point two seasons into, like, deeply entrenched canon about the Creed and what it means to show his face and the. The times that he has done that, either out of, like, mortal peril and some loophole about it's a droid, not an organic or, you know, like, needing to get the location of the light cruiser. It's always for Grogu to get to Grogu and to let Grogu see him. And then the way. Yeah, the way he reaches up is just one of those things. Like, I. I don't know how many times I've rewatched that, but I will never rewatch it without sobbing like a baby.

[C]

And because they withheld Pedro's face from us so often, those moments are so impactful. But also, I just think it's a fascinating choice to cast one of our great actors and not let him.

[A]

Well, don't worry. They're having those Hutts take his helmet

[C]

right away in the trailer.

[A]

Right away.

[C]

Quite excited about that.

[A]

Right away.

[B]

Way broad percentage. How much face?

[A]

I think, like, 75%. Yeah. I think they're taking that helmet immediately. He's going to get the mission from Ward. Maybe there's another mission that. I think I like what you're saying that we open mid mission. We open mid mission. Then he goes back to a deli base, gets a new mission from Ward. She's got the deck of cards that you can see, right? Like giving them, okay, find this. This world or this world. Then they go. He goes to Nalata. The Hutts separate him and Grogu. They take the helmet, trying to get back to Grogu, trying to hunt Imperial remnants. He doesn't have the helmet the rest of the way.

[B]

Okay. So it's sort of like Tony Stark rules, you know, like we're going to get a lot more RDJ than we are Iron Man. Okay.

[A]

I mean, he's still got all of the.

[B]

I say. I say 50. 50.

[C]

You think you. I think 50. 50 is closer. Do you think even if they take his helmet, he's not going to go find a bin and just put it

[A]

on his head like a trash can?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe he will like pop it.

[B]

I think that there's also just the pragmatic merch.

[C]

It's all about merch, guys.

[B]

Don't forget that Pedro Pascal made nine other movies.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

While he was shooting this.

[C]

It took him a long time to make Eddington. So, you know, just.

[B]

Just to make the boy. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[A]

What else we got to go do?

[B]

Materialists about this movie? I think.

[C]

I think we did.

[A]

I think we did it all. Yeah, we did it all. Let's get to our mini drafts.

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[C]

D has the last.

[B]

Oh, that doesn't seem fair.

[C]

No, I mean, he, he, he picked it randomly, but it was revealed.

[A]

So he says. Yeah, so he says. So we're going Snake draft, which means Damon will pick first, Joe second, I will pick third, and then pick again on the Snake. And Damon, you'll make your second and third picks back to back, et cetera. Rules. You can select duos from any type of content. It can be a duo from a movie, from a show, from a comic, from a video game. The animated verse. Oh. What do you think? Should legends be allowed?

[C]

What do you think? Why not?

[A]

You want some mar A in there?

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

As if Luke is still going to be on the board, but yes.

[A]

Well, you could do that early in love interest and then Luke will be off the board for everyone else.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Because that's another rule, right? So you could pick duos. Like there's going to be some. As is often the case in a draft, cross pollination across categories.

[C]

As soon as a character is played

[A]

in a duo in a category, they're gone. Gone. So for example, what's a good example of uploading what, like we might want

[C]

to do Just do Luke and Mary Jane.

[A]

Okay, so if you. If you took Luke and Marajade as love interest.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Then we could not any of us take any other duo that Luke is a part of.

[B]

Or marriage aid, crucially.

[A]

Or marriage aid also off the board.

[B]

Damn it.

[A]

So, you know, maybe that's part of the strategy, right? Not only what do you want? But like, who do you want to deprive your fellow drafters of? But maybe this is just a chill, fun time with friends, and we're not thinking that way. Yeah, he looks like he's ready to kill. Look at this. It's brutal assassin droid energy from Damon right here.

[B]

Am I getting the first pick because I'm the guest or was there.

[C]

No, I genuinely believe that Carlos picked it randomly. It just we happened to say before it was revealed.

[A]

So he says.

[B]

So, guys, look there. There are fun picks to be made. There are off the charts picks. But if I'm gonna win, I have to start with a banger. Cause if you get the first pick, you gotta, you know, you gotta take LeBron.

[A]

I mean, yeah, definitely.

[B]

And so, in the category of master and apprentice, I'm taking Yoda and Luke.

[C]

Oh, whoa.

[A]

That's not what I thought you were gonna say. Interesting.

[B]

Okay, Come on. That's the quintessential fascinating. Already there are other masters and apprentices who worked together for years and years and years and formed intense bonds. We know who they are. But Yoda and Luke, it's like three days, baby. Like three very intense days of training. They had tremendous impact. And we're talking about Grogu.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, not only is it a good pick in a vacuum, you've taken Luke off the board. So, like, that's Yoda. I mean, I have some notes from Yoda. Stop meditating. Track the rise of the Sith.

[B]

But, like, yes, your other master and apprentice picks. I know who you're going to pick, and I didn't want to jam you. I know. Oh, my God. If I know anything about anyone in this world.

[A]

Oh, we'll see.

[B]

There's no fucking way you're not picking them.

[A]

I mean, who knows who will be available for me? And who knows what I'll do? Joanna's up next. I really want you to be, like, purely you here. I really want you to be purely you.

[C]

Yeah. But also, I want to win, so I can't be myself.

[A]

Damn it.

[C]

I'm. But I don't. I don't think I'm jamming you up. Mallory Rubin. I'm gonna. In love interests. I'm picking Han and Leia.

[A]

God damn it.

[B]

Oh, tasty. It's good. I mean, they're the quintessential Luke, Leia,

[C]

Han, Yoda off the board, very high on my draft. My very favorite is still on the board.

[B]

I'm just saying it's good. It's a great love interest.

[C]

It had to be Han.

[B]

Leia.

[A]

I think that Han and Leia obviously had to be taken very high in the draft. I think these are. These are both great picks. I also think that, like, one of the scandals coming out of the recent big Picture Star wars draft is that Chewie was not selected. So I think Han and Chewie would have been a great pick under Allies.

[C]

They're on my allies list, but now

[A]

they can't be selected. Now they can't be selected.

[C]

They're on my long list. Okay.

[A]

Hmm. This is really already quite hard because there are so many good choices.

[C]

Well, but also, we just obliterated so many things.

[A]

No, that's okay. In a great way. I have a lot of my top picks here still. But, like, oh, my God, do I wanna. There's so many different things here that I'm excited about. Okay, so in the first round, I will also be taking a Master and Apprentice.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I don't actually think I'm gonna do what you guys think I'm gonna do.

[B]

Oh, my God, you're definitely gonna do.

[C]

She has been back to back choices, so she.

[B]

Wait, hold on. I'm writing it down, and I'm showing it to Jo. There's no way you don't do this.

[A]

Okay. And Master and Apprentice.

[C]

Oh, that's not actually. That was not my guess.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[C]

But maybe he's right.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Maybe he knows you better than I know you.

[A]

Okay. You did Han and Leia in Love Interest. Damon did Yoda and Luke in Master and Apprentice. I am taking two of the most important fictional characters in my life. Obi Wan and Anakin.

[C]

That was my guess.

[A]

I win.

[C]

Oh, look at the elbow.

[A]

Hold on. Look at the elbow.

[B]

Elbow.

[A]

What is. What did you.

[B]

Anakin and Ahsoka.

[A]

Yeah, I. Obviously, that's like, my heart, but I'm trying to win the draw.

[C]

I knew you were. I knew you wanted to take Obi

[A]

Wan off the board.

[C]

Anakin.

[A]

Yeah, basically ranked on my board. 1A, 1B, 1C. And master and Apprentice. Palpatine and Anakin. Obi Wan and Anakin. And Anakin and Ahsoka. I, I, I. Yeah, I can't not take Obi Wan and Anakin if they're, um. Okay. I. I think I'm going to surprise you guys with what I do next. I think you guys are going to really like the pick. Is it a little surprising to do it here? I don't care. I think this is an andor hive. And I am taking as my enemies Cyril and Cassian.

[C]

Great.

[B]

Damn it.

[C]

Really good.

[B]

I had Cyril and Dedra in my love interest.

[A]

Me too. That was the toss Up.

[C]

I was either.

[A]

I was doing something with Sierra and it was either going to be Cassian and enemies or. But I have.

[B]

And you took Cassian.

[A]

I have other things I'm much happier to do later in love interest. So I really wanted to get an elite enemy duo. Feels pretty important, I think, in this draft.

[C]

Have a bid I'm going to make for the Andor Hive.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Will you accept Luthen and Cleia for master and apprentice? For master and apprentice?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Absolutely. Hell, yeah.

[B]

Just because they're not Jedis.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Great. Just making sure we're not being, I think.

[B]

I think a textbook master and apprentice.

[A]

I think that is.

[B]

I like that Luthen's on the board.

[A]

Me too. I. I had Luthen in many different spots here, so I'm thrilled that. That Luthen has been taken. Let's see, Damon, you are on the turn here. So you're making your second and third pick back to back, and you could vamp in between for as long as you need.

[B]

Okay. This is tricky because some of the. Some of my options have been eliminated, which is reasonable.

[A]

Yeah. But you can nerd out. This is house of art. You can go with deep cuts. You can go with something from, like a comic run from a video game. Do anything.

[B]

I will just say, but he also wants to win.

[C]

Don't encourage the deep cuts. Mallory.

[A]

Diabolical.

[B]

I didn't know where I was going to be in the draft, and so I doubled Luke in multiple arenas, even though I took him myself. But the pick that I was most proud of was Luke and Leia. And loving from Splinter in the mind's

[A]

eye, I had it too.

[B]

Which is the deep. Which is. It's just hot. So.

[A]

Oh, God. Great stuff.

[B]

But now gone. And so I think for enemies, I'm gonna take Krennic and Jyn Orso because we need to get some ladies on the board.

[A]

This is a great pick. You love rogue one.

[B]

Phenomenal bad guy.

[A]

Great villain. Yeah.

[B]

And he survives all of Andor. And so Cassian can't take him down on his own. And I don't think Jyn gets her flowers.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

And this motherfucker killed her mom.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And made her dad. Killed a death star.

[C]

And looks amazing in capes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How dare he? I know. He does look great in a cape.

[C]

Krennic. What a great name.

[B]

Krennic is how many rebels give their lives for the cause.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Only the ones that Tony Gilroy writes. So Krennic and Jyn enemies.

[A]

Okay. Great pick. So you have Yoda And Luke, as your master and apprentice, you have Krennic and Jyn as an enemy Daemon. We've both taken an enemy. Joe has taken a love interest.

[B]

Oh, and now I go again.

[C]

Yeah, you got another.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

The power of the turn.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

I wonder who will be available when it gets back to me.

[C]

Oh, boy.

[A]

Oh, wait. I didn't cross out all of these characters who are no longer eligible. Okay. Oh, I feel like I'm excited for Joe to do a thing that. Oh, no, I can't. Yeah, well, you could, actually.

[B]

All right, I'm gonna do my allies pick.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I'm gonna do. I'm gonna stick in Rogue One. It's just too good. I'm do Cheriton Bay.

[C]

Yeah. Great.

[B]

Great picks. They're great.

[A]

Love interest.

[B]

Great guys.

[C]

All right. Sheridan Bayes.

[A]

I am one with the Force, and the Force is with me. I am one with the Force, and the Force is with me.

[B]

I just like it when lovers die together. They could have been love interests.

[C]

They could have been love interests.

[A]

No question. I should have argued. Definitely. Do you think we'll die together?

[B]

I hope not.

[A]

Who do you want to live longer and beat the pride of the other person? Nurturing presence. I'm gonna die first, for sure.

[B]

I feel like I.

[A]

Only one of us today hit up the ringer verse group chat and said, who will eat the entire Burger King Kroger menu with me? And it was me.

[B]

I don't take this the wrong way, but I want Joe to die 90 seconds before you.

[A]

Okay. Because I, you know, I can't survive without her.

[B]

She'd be okay, but I think the anguish. I think we get a lot more out of you if Joe goes first. And the other way around.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

You're right. You're right.

[B]

I'm a storyteller.

[A]

It's a better our emotional show. Imagine the TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. Incredible.

[C]

I love it. The fun thing about these pairings is, like, as these characters move through time, sometimes they shift categories, Right?

[A]

No question.

[C]

I could have had these two in Master and Apprentice. I could have had them in Alice, but I'm putting them in Enemies, and it is Palpatine and Darth Maul.

[A]

Okay, I'm.

[B]

Wait. But Palpatine and Darth Maul are enemies of each other.

[A]

Maul certainly would see. So I think Palpatine's in real Don Draper. Like, I don't think about you at all. Territory with Maul, you know, honestly. And Maul is smart, which is tough, but, like, I think great Bob Maul's resentment. Great.

[C]

Bob.

[A]

Maul's resentment is the defining aspect of his life.

[C]

From that point forward, I would watch it so quickly.

[A]

Oh, my God. Keeping.

[B]

It's just the office building that they all work at. Tony Gilroy already did that, though. That's pretty great.

[A]

I thought that in the first round, you might do Obi Wan and Maul as your enemies. But then you didn't, and I was able to take Obi Wan, so. Thank you.

[C]

I thought about it, but Han and Leia were on the board.

[A]

I know it's tough to not take them. So you took Palpy and Maul as enemies. Great stuff. What a way to honor Sam Witwer during Friend of the Cod months. So it's back to me on the turn. I have two picks in a row. I see. Let's see. So I've taken my master and apprentice and my enemies. So I have allies, love interest and wild card. I am going to take. You know what? I'm gonna do my wild card pick now.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Or should I do this in allies?

[C]

Don't do it now.

[A]

I want to.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I want to. I'm gonna end because I think this.

[C]

That's an insane thing to do.

[A]

But I support you. It's such a short draft. Like, everything will be available. It's fine. Um, okay. I am taking. I'll take them as allies. I'm going to take them as allies. And I will take the reason we have gathered here today. I will take Mando and Grogu, who have somehow not been selected, even though they're the reason that we're doing this.

[B]

No, it's okay.

[A]

Mando and Grogu and, like, I don't listen. We're just here to have fun. Grogu's face is going to be on the Instagram graphic when people are voting on the strap.

[C]

So is Harrison Ford's.

[A]

Fuck. I might have to vote for you now. Yeah, but I have all those pictures of Harrison Ford on.

[C]

On my phone, and my phone, too,

[A]

that you sent me last night that you took of us shaking hands. Okay. Mando and Grogu, my pick in allies.

[C]

And I was thinking of taking Mando and Cobb and lover, love interests.

[A]

But, I mean, remarkable fan art.

[C]

Really good stuff.

[A]

All of which is also in our text history.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

Okay. So I have love interest and wild card.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I can't do. Let's see. So they've been taken. Taken. I am going with. Right. Could have done Obi Wan and Satine if I hadn't taken Obi Wan. Elsewhere. That would have been a real me pick. What if I had done that in the first round?

[C]

I wouldn't have put it past you,

[A]

Obi Wan, and the Duchess. Okay. I'm doing this because I genuinely want to, and I think it's an important reflection of what I love about Star Wars. Sincerely. I want to have an animated pick on here.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I am picking Kenan and Hera, one of my favorite couples in Star wars history. Can I just tell you? Bond and Hart.

[C]

I could have written this for you.

[A]

You know me very well, and I'm extremely predictable.

[B]

That's your love interest.

[C]

Love interest.

[A]

Kanan. Kanan and Hera. Kanan, Jarrus Harris and Doris. Somewhere over there behind that wall, Jomi is cheering for me, and he's voting for me. Even though we haven't even finished the draft. Rebels. Hive rise. Ghost Hive rise. I feel great right now. I feel. I'm thrilled.

[B]

There's lots to feel great about.

[A]

That seems super sincere here.

[B]

Joe's on pause.

[A]

Okay, I'm ready.

[C]

Let's Joe in allies. And I'm channel Mallory here because I think it's a crime and a. And I just am astonished that this

[A]

is still available to me.

[C]

How is this even here in. You're right.

[A]

It is annoying when someone does.

[C]

I'm taking R2 and C3PO.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, they're the. They're. They're the alpha and omega of the allies. They're the. They're the first. They're the first thing we see.

[A]

I certainly would have taken them in wildcard to end it if they had still been there. No question. Great pick.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Fantastic.

[B]

So would have qualified for love interest.

[C]

I mean, thought about it.

[A]

No doubt.

[C]

Sometimes enemies. Yeah.

[A]

They certainly get five interests as all love interest.

[B]

Wait, do I get two now?

[A]

Yeah. Then these are your final dice, and then you're done. So, like, make it count, guys.

[B]

This is gonna be my most controversial pick.

[A]

Oh, my God. Is it okay?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Exciting.

[B]

Divisive.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

Well, love interests. I got Kylo and Rey Reylo.

[A]

Not controversial at this table.

[C]

I almost picked Reylo with R2D2, and C3PO, guys.

[A]

I mean, we support it.

[B]

Obviously, if he can throw a chair at Lena Dunham, he can do all sorts of. And that's not okay.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

That's not okay. But the things that he does, he are much worse. And I still love me some Kylo and they. Anybody. And this sort of tees up my wild card because I'm a sucker. For unspoken communication, especially in Star Wars. So all of this talk that you guys have about what Grogu is able to communicate or not communicate, I feel there's a lot of depth in his level of communication just because he doesn't use words. And so my wild card pick, because this was my favorite, inexplicably my favorite Star wars action figure as a child out of Empire. My wild card duo is Lando and Lobot.

[A]

This is a great one.

[B]

What do we know about Lobot? Not much.

[C]

Not enough. This is a true.

[B]

We know he's a cyborg. We know he works for Lando. We know we believe that he's from Bespin.

[C]

Should he be in the Salacious Crumb movie?

[B]

We know that he communicates non verbally.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If not for Lobot, things go much differently at the end of Empire.

[C]

It's true.

[A]

Incredible.

[B]

We know that his name was probably derived from a very short conversation because he's half man, half robot, and therefore Lobot. I mean, but I'm like, someone's gonna take Han and Leia or someone's gonna take Han and Chewie. And where does that leave Lando?

[C]

I know.

[A]

Yeah, indeed.

[B]

How do we have. How do we do a duplicate Duo draft without Lando Calrissian?

[A]

I mean, I had on my board. I'll just say lando and L3. And love interest. Okay, what about Lando?

[C]

Lando and his cape. Closet.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Great one in love interest.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, that's good. I love that you guys have a. Have a pwb always. And Han Solo. Solo.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Always story.

[A]

Always.

[C]

He stole Lando's girlfriend and his ship. It's tough.

[B]

Yeah, really tough. I'm going OG Lando.

[A]

I love this. Billy D. I love this.

[B]

I just love seeing Lando and Lobot.

[A]

Honestly. Really brings this whole thing.

[B]

Dave, I know that I was fired once. I am available to do Orlando. Lobot's been off three episode limited series. 12 minute long episodes. Sensational live action. Lando and Lobot.

[A]

This is fantastic. I would watch it, but with them

[B]

as old men, not as young.

[C]

Straight original trilogy. Oh, andor animated original trilogy. Finn and Poe. Wild card.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

You are full of surprises.

[A]

What? I thought you were gonna do the Stranger and Osha.

[C]

That's on my list.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

From Chimere and Osha. Yeah, that's on my list.

[B]

I love that. We got.

[C]

I love Finn and Poe.

[B]

We got Finn and Poe in there. Yeah, they love each other.

[C]

I could have put them in love interest or allies or whatever, but yeah, Finn And Poe.

[A]

I love Finn and Poe could have picked. Could have picked poe with bb8. Obviously finn pairs with Zorri Bliss. Zori Bliss, for sure. Still one of the most puzzling. Use this key, this just magnetic majestic performer for 90 seconds in your movie.

[C]

The pre Pedro Pascal must like Carrie Russell. Take her helmet off.

[A]

It's fine, man. Let's see. Okay. Okay. Hmm.

[C]

So you've got basically prequel and. Or mando animated. Well, rebels, if you prefer.

[A]

Yeah, I guess I have original trilogy too, in a way with the Obi Wan and Anakin. Hmm. Okay. So my picker is my wild card.

[C]

Rogue One. Rogue One sequel. Lando Lobot.

[A]

Lando Lobot is just really good.

[C]

It's really good.

[B]

We're skewing a little human here, all of us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm not trying to.

[C]

One of us has R2 and C3PO

[B]

on our list, man. Half robot. And I have a Yoda and everybody else is a human. It's true. And there is definitely a lean towards the force sensitive and Jedi interest in my list, but that's because want to

[A]

win, boy, I'm torn on what to do here. So many great duos who haven't been selected.

[C]

That's not true. So many.

[A]

Incredibly, you are.

[B]

You are at the bottom of the barrel, my friend.

[A]

So many. So many.

[B]

You got to go super French.

[C]

I so admire when you do this.

[A]

So many great.

[B]

It's Rebel. It's definitely.

[C]

Can you out Lobot? Lobot. Can you out obscure Lobot? Just to finish it out.

[A]

All right, well, because no one else is picking after. I can throw out multiple contenders and workshop this.

[C]

I had Marva and B2 on my list.

[A]

I am seriously considering that, though. I have obviously an Andor pick already with Cyril and Cassian. Not that it's bad to double up on Andorra.

[C]

The most awesome, possibly like, Star Wars.

[A]

Star wars thing since Empire. I could do Jango and Boba as a bit. That would be pretty funny, you know, my son, who's just a clone. I will not be doing that. Could do Boba and Cad Bane, you know, could do Boba and Fennec. Could do Shmee and Lars just to do multiple drafts in a row. Or I could Shmee.

[B]

You could do Cobb Vanth and Cad. Bang.

[A]

I mean, I could do that.

[C]

I could do Cobb and Cad.

[B]

You got so excited when that happened. I remember listening to that pod you about exploded.

[A]

Well, I. I mean, I. I just. I love. We love Cobb. That was an incredible performance and a wonderful rendering. And I love Cad Bane. I did tell you guys I would wear my Cad Bane T shirt and then forgot.

[C]

But you could do Ezra and the Crab cl.

[A]

I do have.

[C]

And I have a lot.

[A]

I have a lot of. I could. I have a lot of Ezra concert. I have Ezra and Sabine. I have Ezra and Zeb, Ezra and Chopper. On the list. I've got. I have Ahsoka and Rex. I've all sort. Dooku and Ventress, Dooku and Qui. Gon, Ventress and Quinlan, Vel and Cinta, Zeb and Callis. There are genuinely. Honestly, there are, like, a lot of character sets I like here, but who will win me the draft?

[B]

None of those.

[C]

Yeah,

[B]

none of those.

[A]

Moff, Gideon and Bo, Katan. I could also pick. They're here. Could do Ahsoka and Sabine.

[C]

What about Bim Fortuna?

[B]

Wait a minute, guys. Are we gonna eat shit for Chewbacca? Not making another list after your name check. He's got a pair with someone other than Han. I mean, what's the name of his wife in the holiday special? He's got a son, Chewy and Mrs. Chewy. She's got. He's got a son named Lumpy. That much I know.

[A]

Oh, my God. Because, like, Han and Chewie are. You are the duo. So that would be. Here's what you could do. You could change your love interest to Han and Kira in the first round, and then I could pair Leia and Chewie.

[C]

Except I'm gonna win, so why would I change my.

[A]

Yeah, walking carpet. Yeah, walking carpet. Real duo stuff. Let's circumstance. Hmm. Do I go with my heart?

[C]

I love that you picked Kylo and Ray.

[A]

Yeah. Balin and Shin Hottie. Should I do that?

[C]

Oh, Shin Hotti.

[A]

Good stuff. I am gonna do Cobb Vanth and Cad Bane in Wildcard.

[C]

That's a great one.

[A]

That's.

[B]

Actually. I think that does help your.

[A]

And let's help, too. You got two gunslingers, and he rooted in the mandoverse, so it's appropriate for this moment in time.

[C]

You have Obi Wan, Anakin and Din, Djarin and Grogu, But I have Han and Leia and Palpatine and Malin, R2 and C3PO feel pretty good about it.

[A]

I think this is pretty strong across the board, as it should be in a mini draft. I think there are a lot of compelling pairs here.

[B]

I mean, don't I have the four most powerful Jedis on the board?

[C]

You do have a force dyad.

[B]

I've got four. I mean, I've got Yoda and Lydia

[C]

Is this a draft of how many most powerful, force sensitive people do you have on your board?

[B]

No, no. What is it?

[A]

Here's a question. Who has the fewest picks that people are likely to be like? I just absolutely hated that, guys, of

[B]

all of these picks, putting aside love interest, because when you talk about a duo, you're talking about chemistry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's what we should be solving for here.

[A]

Nobody on this board has better chemistry than Cyril and Cassian. Genuinely.

[C]

Han and Leia. Han and Leia.

[A]

No, Cyril and Cassian.

[B]

Joe may be right.

[C]

It's Han and Leia.

[B]

Although I think Yoda and Luke had pretty good.

[C]

Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford. Young and hot and secretly fucking. It's Han and Leia.

[B]

I think Joe may win, but I came in second.

[C]

I think that's right. And I think, Mali, we can all

[B]

agree that you lost me, maybe.

[A]

I don't think so. I think I won genuinely. But if not, that's okay because I feel great about having characters I love. I took all characters I love and am invested in. I did actually.

[B]

I would read a 10 issue limited comic book series of any of your books.

[C]

And demon loves same Demon loves Lobot. So I think we all voted with our heart.

[A]

Lobot is an incredible pick. Really, just remarkable.

[B]

I needed to get him in there somehow.

[C]

Guess what? Star wars is great.

[A]

Yeah, it is. I think this was wonderful. We'll wrap like really quickly here with some rapid fire mailbag questions. Okay. From the Bhad Bhabies. We've already kind of covered one of these which is from Tommaso. Tommaso.

[C]

Do we think Tommaso?

[A]

I think, yeah, we've already kind of touched on one of these from Tommaso. When will Grogu start speaking and what will his first word be? And like Yoda, will he speak or not? So are we speaking with the predictions?

[C]

Let us know. It's was up.

[A]

Yeah, was up in this movie.

[B]

I think he just says sup.

[C]

Oh, sup. Sup with the apostrophe.

[B]

I mean, implied.

[A]

Yeah, I think he's not going to speak in the movie because they're not ready to commit to it. But if he says a word, it will be cookie. What about you?

[C]

If he speaks? I don't think he'll speak. But if he speaks, I think it will be dad or father or papa or something like that.

[A]

Papa pining for a daddy. Father. Norman, do you think we will get more of Grogu's backstage story? Could we see some flashbacks to the prequel era? Do you think it would be fun to Forrest Gump Krogo into all these big moments throughout the prequels.

[C]

Oh, I mean, it already happened that he was, you know, in order 66.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I think there needs to be a data point about his backstory. Someone will recognize him. Or there will be some sort of. Of, like, cryptic piece that, like, powers the next level of storytelling sort of towards the end.

[C]

Cara Dune is like, I found some ancient scrolls.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

That I would like to share with you.

[B]

Good old ancient scrolls. But we'll get. Yeah, we'll get something.

[A]

You guys remember when Grogu Force choked Kara in season one?

[C]

Loves ancient scrolls.

[A]

You think Grogu's gonna end up being evil?

[C]

I think. Here's what I think. I think Sigurdi Weaver is going to end up being evil.

[A]

That feels like that's my very.

[B]

Look, I'm not the first person to posit this. I won't be the last. I know that Dave and John have both weighed in on this as something that is relatively uninteresting to them, and that's not in. I haven't had any private conversations with them about Mando. I never want to be spoiled. I don't know anything, honest to God. But is there a connection between Grogu and Yoda? Is there a connection, but beyond the fact that they are of the same species?

[A]

Right. Like, Yoda was fucking up a storm.

[B]

The eraser of yaddle. But. But I think that this sort of idea of like, you know, Yoda wasn't always a Jedi. Did he procreate? How do they procreate? Like, is it just.

[C]

So you sort of, like, divide and you sort of, like, bloop off a little lump and then becomes.

[A]

I think Yoda was getting it wet, man.

[B]

Well, wow. Let. Let me just. Let me just say this in front of company. Yeah. Luke shows up, he sees Grogu.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he doesn't go, hey, you look like Yoda.

[C]

Mm.

[B]

I mean, they're pretty rare beings.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

So does Luke know something that he's not sharing?

[C]

Probably. Cause they're withholding.

[B]

There's not a lot of them. So I think we're gonna. There's gonna be. We need to. The biggest threat to the relationship between Mando and Grogu is actual parents. Would be Grogu's true parents.

[A]

Yeah. Parents who gave him up to the Jedi who are child snatchers.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And then Grogu leaves and then later makes a decision to return, and we're like. This feels fresh and new, but for

[B]

all we know these beings that are unnamed species. They could grow, like, in a space cabbage patch or something. They may not be. Or we're back to the space cabbage.

[C]

Oh, my God. Imagine a cabbage field.

[A]

Incredible. Yeah.

[C]

And the years unveil, and it's incredible. Baby Yodas as far as the eye can see. Imagine the merchandising.

[B]

Gremlins are born.

[A]

Oh, my God. I mean, the merch possibilities.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Endless.

[C]

Like a real garbage pail kid. Like, sort of empire.

[A]

They have invoked the parents, you know, this idea of, like, well, if his parents can't give permission, like, what if his parent could give permission? I'll become. Right. I'll adopt him. And even when Luke was doing the.

[B]

Like, next season of Mando is like a Kramer vs Kramer, one of my favorite movies ever. Child of divorce space custody battle between Grogu's real parents.

[A]

Meryl available.

[C]

And Dustin Hoffman will slap her for real.

[B]

Her voice definitely is.

[A]

I mean, the chocolate chip ice cream scene. Grogu would be ready to run that back in Kramer versus Kramer. As you know, I have some notes on the lack of hand washing after taking a piss in Kramer vs Kramer. Otherwise wonderful film. Nearly no notes. Love it. When Yoda was, like, kind of, like, forced.

[B]

What did you just say?

[A]

He's always washing. He's going to. He doesn't wash his hands.

[B]

Dustin Hoffman.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

Oh, right.

[A]

Yeah. It's troubling. I mean, not in real life.

[B]

Wandering around the house. She washes her hands.

[A]

I don't know. I'd have to crush some tape to confirm that. We got the order 66 flashback, you know, triggered by Luke's training and his, like, you know, I've only. I knew, like, a being like you. So the connection is there a little bit.

[B]

That's uncanny. That Luke.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wasn't it good? Wasn't it good?

[B]

Wow. The next time Mark Hamill. Yeah, I know he does voice work, but if they just need.

[A]

If they just need someone to come

[C]

if the feature breaks so they can't, like, de his voice.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah, that'd be.

[B]

Hold on. Do it again.

[A]

Or also, we could just put you in. They choose only one.

[C]

We could put you in a black mock turtleneck and some Chanel boots. And I think you.

[A]

I'm ready.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The shirt. You got the shirt. I can do it all. What can't I do? That was din. When he sees Grogu, Tristan sounded different from your Luke. When Luke is like. Cause Ahsoka's. You've taught him well. And Luke's like, it's more like he's remembering. So does Grogu know who his parents are? And this is one of the things that has been repressed. Like, will he remember this at some point or will someone else make the connection?

[B]

That would be an actual flashback. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. In this movie, though, we got Keller and Beck as a flashback.

[C]

What's the first time on this movie again?

[A]

2 hours and 12 minutes.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah, that sounds too long.

[B]

I feel we're gonna get a data point that's probably not a flashback. And the reason that I say that is if they drop a weird Grogu flashback in the middle of this movie, there are a lot of people going to see it who are going to be like, what? It's just too inside baseball. But I wouldn't mind it.

[A]

I wouldn't mind it either. Speaking of will we mind it or not? Our last question today comes from Justin. Do you think they're hiding something big to set up a sequel? Or maybe the rumored Filoni movie? I'd honestly kill Din in the end. End the movie with a time jump to older Kroku meeting Rey or something. I just hope there's more to the movie than what they're showing us at face value. Take. Take any part of that that you want. But do you think it's possible that Din Djarin dies in this movie? Only because. Only because.

[C]

I don't think Pedro Pascal wants to do this anymore. That's the only reason why I could see it happening.

[A]

There have been some lines in the trailers like, the old protect the young, and then the young protect the old and the old. The kid will live centuries beyond me. I won't always be around to protect him.

[C]

And then it's Migs Mayfield and Grogu.

[A]

That would be great.

[C]

She's Cara Dune and Grogu. No.

[B]

So basically, let's just put on our money hats for a second. They'd be killing the franchise.

[A]

I think that you can't do it right.

[B]

Like, that would be the end.

[C]

That's why I'm saying the only reason it happens is if Pedro Pascal does not want to do do it anymore.

[A]

He seems like he's having a great time on the press tour.

[B]

It's such a good, easy job.

[C]

I think he kind of wants out of the fr. Like, he got himself into too many franchises and he's trying to, like, bail out.

[B]

And then they're basically like, how about we give you $50 million for three days of work?

[C]

Fair enough.

[A]

Sign me up.

[C]

He's like, but Din Djarin's never taken that helmet off.

[A]

Do you know how many Burger King Grogu meals I could buy with 50 million?

[B]

You can AI me?

[A]

I mean, oh, man.

[B]

He's not dying.

[C]

No way.

[A]

I would be astonished. They're not astonished.

[B]

No.

[C]

I'm just saying it's possible.

[A]

If he does, Grogu will force heal him back to life.

[B]

And by the way, it would be amazing if this somehow hands off to Sean's movie. But I will just say it is my personal belief, not from any level of personal experience that I may or may not have had, that these things function as silos and they don't take. And it's the opposite of the Marvel idea where this lives in this silo. And that isn't to say that the animated shows don't become part of the live action canon, but I'm just saying that particularly in terms of the timeline period. And this is the one character you could do it with because he ages. There's not gonna be some cool post credit sequence that hands off to Starfighter, right? That would be amazing. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm gonna start a rumor that it's happening.

[A]

You just did.

[C]

My rumor is that the post credits is Daisy Ridley as Rey and an older Grogu.

[A]

So you do think we're gonna get a flashback, but then, like, where is Flash forward after the sequel. After the sequel trilogy. Cause that's a question they have to answer. Still is. Like, where is Grogu during the. The events of the sequel trilogy? Like, where is Grogu when they're fighting the First Order, they've got to answer that. At some point.

[C]

She'd be like, where have you been? And then like, he was like, did

[A]

you see when I. And then Grogu goes, I saw the purrgle. Grogu goes, what's up, by the way?

[B]

If you're right, and they kept that secret, like they went and shot like some cool fucking thing with Daisy and nobody knows. That would be so dope.

[A]

That would be awesome. That would be awesome.

[B]

But I don't think they did.

[A]

Do you think Thrawn will be in this movie, Stinger or otherwise? No. Do you think Moff Gideon will be in this movie?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

All those clones. All. Why should we think those were the only clones Gideon could be in this movie? Yeah, I think. I think. I think yes. For Gideon. I'm on the fence about Thrawn. I don't know if they can totally resist, like a Stinger or something.

[C]

I think no, for Thrawn. Because Thrawn did not play and they're.

[A]

I know.

[C]

Figure that out.

[A]

They're not giving up on Thrawn. They can't. Right.

[B]

You can't do one those Marvel Stingers where it's like, there's Star Fox, you know, like, it has to. It has to appeal to the masses. Like, they. Maybe they throw, like, a bone to the fans, but it's sort of like when they introduced Ahsoka into the mando verse, it also felt like a character introduction. Those of us who were familiar with it were like, this is dope. But for those of us, a lot of people, I think we're meeting her for the very first time. I'm trying to make. So they kind of have to do that with characters out. Like. So with Cobb, it's like, oh, I know that dude. Or Caradoon. Oh, I know who that is. Because they're already in the mando canon. But any characters who like Thrawn who haven't been introduced inside Mando, even though there's adjacency.

[C]

Because Ahsoka.

[B]

Because of Ahsoka. We'll see her.

[A]

We'll see Ahsoka. She said the word Thrawn in the Mandalorian. Where's the master? Where's Grand Admiral?

[C]

Will you hold my hand when Cobb Vanth shows up in this movie? I will. Great.

[A]

I'll wipe away your tears.

[B]

He's not gonna. It's not gonna be a cameo. He's gonna. We're gonna get, like, 10 minutes.

[A]

Do you really think so?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I just haven't seen Tim with the appropriate hair and facial hair, and I'm worried.

[B]

How often do you check in on him?

[C]

Often.

[A]

You'd be astonished. You would be astonished.

[B]

First off, Cobb can shave well.

[C]

And, I mean, how dare he should not.

[A]

Maybe it's the other way around. He's in the bacta tank. Like, you know when you have a cast and they remove the cast, like, positive hair?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He could just have, like, long, flowing locks. Maybe like, a lush beard.

[C]

I think if you.

[A]

If.

[C]

I think if Cobb Vance were in a lot of this movie, they would use Cobb Vance to sell this movie. That's what I think. Okay.

[A]

Interesting thing. I feel as though that is an endorsement for my draft. You saying that. Nope. The Cobb Van is such a powerful force in Star wars that you could, quote, sell this movie on his.

[C]

No, they're selling the movie on Din, Djarin and Grogu, which you also have. So that's great.

[B]

But you gotta. If you're doing a movie. You gotta. Who are we gonna see if not Cobb?

[A]

Well, we're gonna see a bunch of Hutts. We're gonna see Zeb. My dude. Zeb is here, so that's exciting. I think Ahsoka. Seems very likely. Whether the other characters from Ahsoka and Rebels will be there. I don't know. I mean, Zeb is here. Ahsoka.

[B]

Any other Mandalorians?

[A]

Yes. Though I feel like that would be.

[B]

I think Katie's been pretty salty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like. And. Which leads me to believe they. She was not.

[A]

I feel like that that's one of the. And again, I love Bocatan and I love Katie. That and I love the mand. The Mandalore lore.

[B]

She's like, guess what? Now I'm wearing my helmet.

[A]

I do have that helmet. It's. Anyone can put it on the. I do feel like. Like the Takeover from season three.

[B]

Can you do a.

[C]

Can you do Katie Sackhoff? M.

[A]

Did you think your dad was the only Mandalorian?

[C]

So.

[A]

No, I can't.

[C]

No.

[B]

Four out of ten.

[A]

No, I can't. What do you hear in Starbuck? Nothing but the rain.

[C]

That was closer.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

We did it. We did it. What a treat. When will you come back? Never. Next week. Somewhere in between we.

[B]

At any time. I love these offices. I love the hang. It's a very comfortable, comfortable piece of furniture.

[A]

Yeah, it is. Who do you prefer, us or Kristen?

[B]

And as I've said to Joe, our entire relationship is conducted with mics in front of us.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

And you're one of my dearest friends, which that says something. So anytime. I mean, you invite me, I'm here.

[A]

Okay. Love it.

[C]

Friend of the pod. Well, now you have the water bottle, so.

[B]

But I like talking about things before they come out. Yeah.

[A]

Not after.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

The anticipation is the most exciting part.

[A]

We love to.

[B]

I'm really jealous that you guys get to see it. And I want to text you and be like, how was it? But then don't tell me, because you

[C]

don't even want, like, a thumbs up emoji.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

What about just the emoji with the Z?

[B]

But then if I don't get a thumbs up emoji, then I'll assume the opposite. I really don't want you to tell me anything.

[C]

Yeah, this is what happened with Stranger Things. You were like, don't tell me anything about the finale because you were going to go see it in the theater.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then I was like, I can't even tell you if I like it.

[B]

And you said, no, I didn't want to know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that's reasonable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we.

[B]

We won't tell me.

[C]

Speak to you until you see the movie.

[B]

What are the odds? The odds are.

[C]

Never tell me the odds.

[B]

100% that you guys agree on whether the movie is good or not.

[A]

I think it's unlikely in this case.

[C]

Actually, very low.

[A]

One of the more unlikely. Do you agree?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's low that you agree on this one.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm much more inclined to like this.

[C]

Like it more than I am going to like it.

[A]

That said, I think I am also more likely likely to be, like, really disappointed because I. I have a Mallory dice.

[C]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[C]

Vampires.

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Vampires. Yeah. Anyone in a coffin. I. I think I am more inclined to like this. And I. I really hope it's good. And I want it to be good. I think there's a chance that I.

[C]

In the Punisher special, guys, I'm the

[A]

one doing the punishing. Now.

[B]

You have my guarantee. No. No knowledge. Haven't spoken to anybody who's seen it. Haven't spoken to anybody about what it is. You have my guarantee it doesn't suck.

[A]

Great.

[B]

It definitely doesn't suck.

[A]

I do want our bar to be higher than that.

[B]

The bottom of the range is it was good and maybe a little long. That's as bad as it could be.

[C]

Here's what I suspect. Me. Fun. Find time in the movies, Mallory. My life has changed on a cellular level.

[A]

Crying, weeping, sobbing as I watch Grogu. And that's who we are. Babbling coup. I. I just. I. I just love Grogo. I really do love him. He's great.

[B]

Guys, you do have to make a prediction about the movie. No. Something that you. That you. That you think will happen in the movie.

[C]

Me saying Caridun with ancient scrolls is not going to do it for you.

[B]

We'll count it.

[A]

Do you think Caradun will be in this movie?

[C]

No, I don't.

[A]

Do you?

[B]

Y.

[A]

You really do?

[C]

You think that's why they did the whole thr tour?

[A]

Oh, boy.

[C]

Tough.

[B]

I don't think she was originally in the movie, but I think she is now.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, man. Prediction. Grogu is gonna eat some cookies. We know that for sure, so I don't think that counts.

[B]

Take a risk.

[A]

There's the great moment at the end of the trailer. He's like, let's see more. Have more after dinner. And then Krogan nibbles on one.

[C]

Anyway, channel that Lobot energy. Channel that lowbot energy just really sticks to the fence.

[B]

I'm sending it to you.

[A]

Prediction. I mean, I think they're gonna, like. I don't know that there are, like, huge surprises in store ultimately. Like, I think they're gonna hunt Imperial remnants. We're gonna learn a couple things about, like, what Brendal Hux has been up to and more about Project Necromancer. I do think that some. I do. I agree with you. I think that there's a good chance that we find something out about Grogu's homeworld and his history, like, what it's called. I mean, God, that's up there with, like, are they prepared to have him speak aloud? Are they prepared to, like, name Yoda's species and tell us anything about that? I don't know. What else? Will Luke be in the movie?

[C]

Probably.

[A]

Yep, I think Luke will be in the movie.

[C]

But the problem is they can't make Luke, like, the big thing at the end because they already did that.

[A]

Okay, I've got one. Here's. This is another weak one and a shame, but I feel like, you know, we're setting up. Ultimately, I think Grogu riding and taming the mythosaur, that's where we're heading ultimately. You know, season three, like, one of the last shots is him looking down into the living waters of Mandalore. But if we think to, like, him taming the rancor in Book of Boba Fett or the moment where he sees the purrgle flying past in hyperspace, Grogu's animal bond feels like something they've really been teasing out as we go. And so I think that force, power, specifically that he possesses will prove crucial in the plot, especially given what we've seen in the trailers and Favreau saying, like, what I really wanted in the movie. Creatures.

[C]

Can he control a hut? Does a hut count as a creature?

[A]

I think that just gets to, like, imperious curse. No, again, is Grogu, you dark side, Grogu. It's not, like, totally off the table again. He was really ready to, like, force

[B]

her straight up choke Cara Dune, like,

[A]

on instinct, did eat all of that.

[C]

Frog Lady's babies.

[A]

Was ready to end Frog Lady's line.

[B]

It was like an arm wrestling match or something, right?

[A]

And he thought that. He thought that Cara Dune was hurting down cold.

[B]

Choked out Gina Carano. Yeah, MMA Grogu.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know what I have for, like, an actual prediction. I feel like it's mostly going to be an adventure. How much does it advance the plot of this stretch of the timeline. Hmm. That's the thing. We know when the First Order rises. We know that Hux is a part of it. We know that Sloan is a part of it. Like, so many of these things are fixed in canon.

[B]

What if we find out there was an Order before the First Order Order?

[C]

Well, the pre. First Order.

[B]

The pre order.

[C]

The pre Order.

[B]

Just like your pre order.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Just like you're like your pre Order.

[C]

Pre. Let's.

[A]

Let's.

[C]

That's real pre.

[A]

Visla language. Pre Order and then pre Order. Your. Your kind of like.

[B]

It's kind of like calling World War I. World War I before there was a World War II. So they wouldn't call it the pre Order.

[A]

That's right. They would just call it the Order.

[C]

Is the First Order the First Order or are they like, we are fascists of the First Order. Do you know what I mean? Are they just like complimenting themselves?

[A]

Yeah. When do they go from Shadow Council to the next phase of.

[B]

Well, if there are two orders that are simultaneously rising and then Kylo is basically like, we were the First Order. Then they got in there.

[C]

Kylo's a real first guy. He is. Should we end this movie?

[A]

He has to be first. I think they'll reconstitute. All of this is committed to the public record.

[B]

People are still losing.

[A]

They will reforge the Darksaber. There you go.

[B]

By the way, whenever I look at House of ARR and I'm like 2 hours and 17 minutes. Who has time to listen to that? Cut to me on the 405.

[A]

Yeah, there you go.

[B]

I will just say if you've made it this far.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

I know. Well, thank you. Thank you for joining us for this. Incredible.

[B]

Such a pleasure.

[A]

What a genuine treat. You're welcome. Hope you enjoyed all of those particles, dust and dirt and otherwise. Thank you to our star.

[C]

Would that be a good Star wars character named Musty.

[B]

Musty Cut.

[A]

Musty Cup. Probably.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We should have gotten you like blue milk, you know, to put in there something theme. Next time.

[B]

Next time. I fully expect it.

[A]

Thank you to Damon for joining us for this wonderful experience. Genuinely, like a thrill and a treat. Thank you to our team, Carlos Chiraboga.

[B]

Yeah, thank you.

[A]

Scott Lee, Arjuna Ramga Powell, Jomi, Adeneron, Jacob and CT are both here to help. And everyone was here to help today. Full squad. Thank you to Grogo for inspiring us now and always.

[C]

We're skipping Survivor to do this.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

It's on right now it's starting soon.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I had to predict for that.

[A]

Well, let's hear it.

[B]

I think that Devin is going home tonight.

[C]

I think it's Devin's answeree tonight.

[B]

Oh, it's a double.

[C]

That's what I think.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Damn it. I had probably should be in my. My Survivor pool.

[A]

They can't let serie. It's. It's just. It's malpractice. I love Cerie.

[B]

Aubrey's gonna win, right?

[C]

Aubrey's.

[A]

No question. We picked Aubrey in a pool. Aubrey's definitely getting the winners at it. I think there's no question she's so.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

Letting Suri get this far is absolute malpractice. Deserves to win. Win. But they can't let her get to the end.

[B]

She. She hasn't won any challenges. Aubrey's gonna stealthily sneak in there and win.

[A]

Like, who's sitting with Aubrey at the end? Rizzo, Jonathan, Joe and Jonathan.

[C]

Joe and Jonathan. And no one. No one's gonna vote for Joe.

[B]

And nobody's gonna vote for Jonathan.

[C]

They got all the nerds out.

[B]

I thought they were doing a live finale so they don't know who won.

[A]

They are doing the after show.

[B]

He got on the plane, but it's gonna be. Be Aubrey in a route. No one's going to vote for Jonathan.

[A]

I. I believe Aubrey will win.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. I think Jonathan will get a couple votes.

[C]

I think Joe's getting no votes.

[A]

Joe would not get any votes.

[C]

No. Sad.

[B]

He's the goat and not the good.

[C]

Thank you to Jeff Pro and everyone else at Survivor. We'll see you soon.

[B]

By.

[A]

Spring just slid into your DMs. Grab that boho. Look for that rooftop dinner, those sandals that can keep up with you.

[C]

And hang some string lights to give

[A]

your patio a glow up. Spring's calling. Ross. Work your magic.

[C]

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