The Space Movie Draft

Summary

House of R – "The Space Movie Draft" (March 12, 2026): Detailed Summary

Episode Overview

In this celebratory Space Month installment of House of R, hosts Mallory Rubin and Joanna Robinson are joined by fellow The Ringer personalities Chris Ryan and Rob Mahoney for a “Space Movie Draft.” The foursome embarks on a deep and delightful journey through sci-fi and fantasy as they take turns drafting their favorite space films across creative and often hilariously contested categories. Listeners are treated to rich discussions on what makes space movies so compelling, genre-defining, and deeply personal.

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1. Draft Warm-Up: Why We Love Space Movies (07:44–16:12)

Space’s Appeal & The Cosmic Vibe (07:44–13:14)

• Visual Aesthetic & Existential Yearning: The group discusses the iconic visuals of space—the “black backdrop of the starry sky”—and space cinema's spiritual dimension. Chris calls it “pleasing interior design” and “about confronting the unknowable.” (08:08)
• Analogy with the Ocean: Rob and Chris compare space movies to sea movies, sparking a playful debate on the “knowable” vs. the “unknowable.” (08:53–09:43)
• Personal Connections: Joanna shares that her cinematic coming-of-age included scary viewings of Alien, and Mal credits Star Wars for “rewiring her brain.” It’s revealed that watching Alien is a rite of passage in Joanna’s family. (12:39–13:14)
• Would You Go to Space?: Quickfire responses from the team: Chris—“Yes, uncomplicated”; Rob—hard no, citing impending space disasters. (10:35–11:00)

Space Cinema as a Genre–of–Genres (13:45–17:46)

• Genre-blending: Mallory: “I love how many space movies... it’s a genre, but there are so many genres inside it.” (15:18)
• Depth of Field & Found Family/Isolation Themes: “You can do anything you want in a space movie... about forging relationships, connections, or having terrifying, war-inducing experiences with another species.” (17:00–17:46)

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2. Laying Out the Draft Rules (19:06–27:11)

Categories & Criteria (19:49–22:59)

Mallory introduces the six agile, open-to-interpretation categories:

1. Space Horror: Genuine horror or any film with unsettling, destabilizing space peril.
2. Space Connections: Focus on crew, found family, friendship, or romance (inter- or intra-species).
3. Space Saviors: Chosen ones, essential missions, or messianic narratives.
4. First Contact: The seminal meeting with something alien (land-bound settings allowed, sparking debate).
5. Visual Splendor: Films that “look fucking great” and showcase influential/inventive space visuals.
6. Wild Card: Catch-all, for anything that doesn’t fit or is particularly beloved.

Other key rules:

• More than one film from a franchise is permitted.
• Animated movies and earthbound space films are eligible.
• Project Hail Mary is not, as not all participants or listeners have seen it.

Quote:
“Sometimes you go to space, sometimes space comes to you." – Mallory (16:32)

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3. Draft Order and Opening Picks (28:13–36:56)

Draft order: Joanna (1), Chris (2), Mallory (3), Rob (4), then snake back.

Top Picks & Rationale

• Joanna – 2001: A Space Odyssey (Visual Splendor) [28:53]

  • “Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece that defined space movies for all the directors who followed... it's the template." (30:04)
  • Memorable Moment: The panel discusses the movie's haunting quality vs. emotional resonance.

• Chris – Interstellar (Visual Splendor) [31:48]

  • “There are 10 things in this movie that I think are among the coolest I’ve ever seen... The story maybe loses some oxygen... but up until that point when you’re like, is this dude gonna solve Existence in this movie is pretty amazing.” (32:11)

• Mallory – Alien (Space Horror) [36:04]

  • “Trapped in a confined space... what is inside with you, but also there’s no help coming. Yes, right. It is.” (38:52)

• Rob – Star Wars: A New Hope (Visual Splendor) [39:57]

  • “I don’t think there is a scene in the history of movies that has had a more profound effect on me as a person than Luke looking out in the binary sunset.” (40:10)

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4. Spirited Debates & Category Tensions (36:04–44:01)

• Alien vs. Aliens for Space Horror and Connections (“Why is Alien scary?” – Chris)
• The generational divide: Interstellar’s impact for younger viewers vs. 2001’s for previous generations (33:13)
• How “spacey” does a film need to be to qualify? (Empire Strikes Back—Snow movie or space savior? Rob: “It’s more of a swamp movie when you think about it.” [44:19])

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5. Draft Highlights: Notable Picks & Rationale

Space Horror

• Joanna – Moon: “What is more horrifying than confronting yourself in space?” [71:54]
• Chris – Event Horizon: “There’s nothing more horrifying than the Hieronymous Bosch sequence... essentially like self-cannibalism, interesting sex stuff... eyes being gouged out.” [56:38]
• Rob – The Thing: “It’s from space. I think it’s the very best earthbound space horror.” [60:57]

Space Connections

• Mallory – Wall-E: “Greatest love story ever told. It is a beautiful story about rediscovering humanity — whether or not you are the human race.” [64:39]
• Joanna – Galaxy Quest: “One of my favorite movies of all time... endlessly rewatchable.” [73:03]
• Chris – Sunshine: “A man and the sun. It’s also our connection to the earth which we need to save by nuking the sun.” [67:14]
• Rob – Aliens: “The Colonial Marines vibe... pitch perfect. Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, a perfect combination of attributes.” [43:13]

Space Saviors

• Joanna – Dune: Part 1: “Paul Atreides being a chosen one... [it’s] a zeitgeist moment for big time cinema.” [52:01]
• Mallory – Empire Strikes Back: “Interrogating the idea of that responsibility and what you do with it.” [44:13]
• Chris – Apollo 13: “Lots of acts of obviously verifiable heroism by real people... tactile, we can do hard things.” [46:36]
• Rob – The Fifth Element: “I fucking love the Fifth Element... an amazing movie.” [80:32]

First Contact

• Joanna – Close Encounters of the Third Kind: “Some of the most thrilling, anticipatory and just beautiful… this music messaging.” [50:17]
• Chris – Annihilation: “What would it actually be like to come into contact with something like that? Mindbreaking, kind of close to 2001.” [76:21]
• Mallory – E.T.: “A genuinely seminal text in my life. E.T. phone home more than I said any other thing in the world.” [58:40]
• Rob – Arrival: “The visual of the spaceship over the horizon is daunting… can this woman save her future? It’s a perfect balance.” [62:13]

Visual Splendor

• Mallory – Dune: Part 2: “Riding the sandworm… black and white [Getty Prime] sequence… for Visual Splendor, Dune Part II feels pretty damn good.” [78:53]

Wild Card

• Mallory – Gattaca: “The entire movie is about the desperate animating dream to go to space... about predestination and forging your own path.” [83:51]
• Chris – Outland: “Sean Connery plays a space sheriff working on a remote mining colony... guys being dudes.” [86:01]
• Rob – The Martian: "I think it captures a lot of [Apollo 13 energy], space as problem solving mechanic. So much lighter, so much pulpier, more like individual character driven." [81:22]
• Joanna – Contact: "A really good McConaughey role... it's great." [88:19]

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6. Memorable Quotes & Banter

• On the lasting influence of 2001:
  “This is what I meant when I said there’s a consensus number one.” – Mallory (30:06)
• On why Alien is terrifying:
  “The idea of being trapped in a confined space with the thing that is trying to kill you… everyone else who might have helped you is fucking dead.” – Mallory (38:52)
• On the binary sunset:
  “A call to adventure I can feel on a molecular level.” – Rob (40:20)
• On generational divides and movies as formative:
  “I know I don’t always think about, like the experiences people who are younger than me are having and how that would shape them the same way I was shaped.” – Chris (33:55)
• On Gattaca’s “space” credentials:
  “He literally goes to space at the end, which is more than happens in some of the other movies that have been taken today.” – Mallory (83:59)

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7. Optional Picks, Honorable Mentions & Snubs (92:53–end)

• Star Trek ("I'm not a huge Star Trek movie [guy]" – Chris [92:53])
• No Solaris, Gravity, Prometheus, Armageddon, or Guardians of the Galaxy selections.
• "Spaceball-sy" comedies, Independence Day, Pitch Black, and more discussed in a rapid-fire rundown.
• If TV were permitted, Battlestar Galactica would have been a contender. (97:37)

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8. Drafted Films by Participant

Joanna Robinson

• Visual Splendor: 2001: A Space Odyssey
• First Contact: Close Encounters of the Third Kind
• Space Saviors: Dune: Part 1
• Space Horror: Moon
• Space Connections: Galaxy Quest
• Wildcard: Contact

Chris Ryan

• Visual Splendor: Interstellar
• Space Saviors: Apollo 13
• Space Horror: Event Horizon
• Space Connections: Sunshine
• First Contact: Annihilation
• Wildcard: Outland

Mallory Rubin

• Space Horror: Alien
• Space Saviors: The Empire Strikes Back
• First Contact: E.T.
• Space Connections: Wall-E
• Visual Splendor: Dune: Part II
• Wildcard: Gattaca

Rob Mahoney

• Visual Splendor: Star Wars: A New Hope
• Space Connections: Aliens
• Space Horror: The Thing
• First Contact: Arrival
• Space Saviors: The Fifth Element
• Wildcard: The Martian

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9. Concluding Thoughts

• The group marvels at the richness of the space movie canon: “Guys, I got news for you. Everybody’s lineups are fucking great. These movies rule.” – Mallory (62:01)
• A recurring message: space movies offer infinite variety—from existential horror to irreverent comedy to cosmic romance.
• The episode closes with reminders for listeners to vote for their favorite drafted lineup. Even with some generational disagreements and playful ribbing, the camaraderie and love for genre cinema take center stage—a true space opera of a podcast.

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Notable Timestamps

• Intro to “why we love space movies” roundtable: 07:44
• Categories/rules breakdown: 19:49–22:59
• First pick: 28:53 (Joanna, 2001: A Space Odyssey)
• Notable banter on Alien and horror: 36:04–39:11
• Drafted movies rundown: 98:19

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Closing Energy

House of R delivers a vibrant, nerdy, and affectionate look at space cinema’s gravitational pull on our imagination, wrapped in playful debate, sincere nostalgia, and the house’s trademark wit.

Key Quote:

“You can do anything you want in a space movie." – Mallory Rubin (17:46)

Transcript

[A]

Greetings and welcome to House of R, a ringer verse podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network. I'm Mallory Rubin joining me today as always.

[B]

Are you trying to sound like Hal?

[A]

Don't spoil or tip any pics even though in space no one can hear you. Pod. It's Joanna Robinson and we have two special guests with us today because we're doing a draft. It's a space movies draft. We'll explain all of that shortly. They've been listening for us on the amateur radios in their bedroom since they were kids. Chris Ryan and Robert Mahoney.

[C]

Robert.

[D]

I'll take it they call you Robert. They do now.

[A]

Christopher.

[B]

Chris, welcome. Rob and I wanted to distinguish each other by not dressing alike today.

[C]

We did.

[A]

Yeah. This has happened. I don't know. This was all an accident. And yet I think it speaks well to how inclined and well positioned we are to function as a unit aboard the vessel of this podcast.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Project Hail Mary is mere days away. We are all incredibly excited and anticipating this movie. So we have decided to do an entire space movie month here on the House of R. We're going to be drafted space movies. We will explain how to the best extent possible. Because, like, we're sort of just vibing out today. Right after this.

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All right, before we get into it, Programming reminders. There are a lot of pods. I heard the Baltimore there. Programming programming reminders. Going down to the ocean, hun Going to have a natty boat. Programming reminders. Talk about some pods. You did ask me today, how much coffee have I had? Just a normal night. I did.

[B]

Are you gonna let anyone else talk today or is this just tell us

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who's coming on the watch.

[B]

I think we're gonna have Patrick J. Adams from the Madison, AKA also from Suits. So he's coming. That's great. Yeah. And that's it. That's the last episode of the pod and then we're quitting.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What was that reaction from you, Joe? What was that?

[C]

I can't talk about it on Mike. I'll tell you later.

[D]

Wow, wow, wow.

[A]

Well, that's exciting.

[B]

That was like Brian Windh where she's. You know, it's just like everybody knows about this, but I can't talk about it.

[A]

Great stuff. All right, now we need to finish three minutes earlier than we were planning to so that we can hear this story. Anything that you'd like to tease about? Group chat.

[D]

It continues apace.

[C]

Great.

[D]

Watch this on Netflix. The NBA is a league that exists. People are scoring points. People are doing stuff.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

It's a great time to be a basketball fan.

[A]

Okay, prestige. What's our prestige?

[C]

Rob is getting really into Love Story, so we're going to go back to check in with JFK Jr. He has promised.

[B]

I stand with Daryl Hannah.

[A]

I've not seen a second of that show.

[D]

I've seen that story on stage with Daryl Hannah. Don't think it's.

[A]

Absolutely not. What about here on the House of R and here in the wider ringerverse. Galaxy. I was going to say world, but galaxy. We're talking about space. Today we're doing the Versys. We're doing the annual Versys. We've done like a lot of these. I think we've been doing the Versies for five years. And we will be teaming up with the Midnight Boys, Pew Pew on Friday for this year's Versys. The 2026 Versys where we're talking about things that came out in 2025. But guess what? There's a 20 twist this year.

[C]

It's Friday the 13th.

[A]

That's one of the twists. The other is that Arjuna has cooked up an entire new run of show. The categories and the nominees are already out there and you can vote on them.

[B]

And then we will reveal Survivor 50

[A]

nod in the hands of the fans. Should we just pod about Survivor.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

What are you talking about?

[A]

Maybe tomorrow. Because there will be a new. Are you not excited about Survivor season 50?

[C]

Mallory and I are in a Survivor pool together.

[D]

I apologize.

[B]

You're missing out.

[D]

Okay, see, now we're talking. Now I'm in.

[A]

I have a question because you're speaking, by the way. I'm excited. Vote. Go to theringer.com versys2026 I believe you can also vote on Instagram, on YouTube, on X, et cetera. And you can vote until 9am Pacific on Friday. And then we will reveal the winners, our winners, your winners, et cetera. Great stuff. Next Tuesday, Space Movies Month continues. The Martian Dobmob, Amanda Dobbins. Great stuff.

[C]

Dating to join us in Sycamore Studios.

[A]

We're talking about Matt Damon, we're talking about space, we're talking about growing potatoes in your own shit. It's going to be just magical. And then next week, next Friday, we will be diving deep into project Hail Mary and we'll be chatting with Andy Weir. And we can say that with confidence because we've already happened.

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I should revise Patrick J. Adams May not happen.

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Oh, it's true.

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No. Well, do you consider that, like, tempting fate when you say it, or do you consider it manifest?

[C]

Like Schrodinger suits? You know what I mean, right?

[A]

Look at you.

[D]

No, honestly, if you bleep out the name, I think the mystery is better.

[B]

Oh, that's good.

[C]

And then my gas.

[D]

Yeah, could be anybody.

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[A]

All right, we're going to explain the categories and the eligibility criteria shortly. Let's just open with how we all feel about space. You can talk about space in general. Were you a telescope kid, et cetera. Or you can talk about space movies. Ideally, you would definitely talk about space movies without tipping your picks or your strategy. Why do you love space cinema? What is it about space films that appeal to you? Chris, let's start with you.

[B]

All right? On a strictly visual level, I just think it's cool. I think having the black backdrop of the starry sky, I think having the aesthetic that's developed over the last 50 years of our concept of space travel, both in the present and in the future is just like an incredibly pleasing interior design choice. And I think that there's something spiritual about space movies because most of them are about confronting something. Whether it's about confronting the idea of whether we're alone in the world or confronting what is the scariest possible thing that could happen to a human being. And it's about the search for something bigger than yourself.

[C]

How would you differentiate sea movies and space movies?

[A]

Oh, great question.

[B]

The knowable and the unknowable. And I know that there's probably more unknown sea.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Be careful. Okay.

[A]

Definitely. Definitely not.

[B]

Technically not, but the anglerfish will come from. In a weird way, don't we know a lot about space? And we're just like. But with the sea, they're just like. And then. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, you get to a certain depth and it's like, who can say?

[A]

Maybe it feels.

[B]

But in space, we have telescopes and we're like, yeah, it's definitely something like this. Right? That's my. That last bit. I Read suggested that was the case.

[A]

Okay. Whose Twitter were you looking at?

[C]

Space. We got it. It was like.

[B]

It was like, that's mappable. Right. Like, to the extent we got it. They are still like. We just don't even know after like 50. 50 ton, like feet. It's just like, who can say, right underneath the water.

[D]

There could be Kaiju down there. I did have to think, is Pacific Rim a space movie? It's an inner space movie. You know, things emerging from the.

[B]

There's a lot of stuff getting shot into space and later coming up. And we can't say whether or not for sure that's in space movie until you guys. You guys have to rule on that.

[D]

You're right.

[A]

That's exactly right. We'll see if that becomes an issue today.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You love the sea. You love space.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

They're both beautiful.

[C]

Is the space dope?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or does that belong to the.

[B]

Sometimes it's not.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Distinctly not chill.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

But. But it is chill.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna say something.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I think if you can get over the initial fears of going into space.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Everything that happens up there is pretty neat.

[A]

Everything.

[B]

I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say, like, fun.

[C]

We have a space horror category. An entire category.

[B]

But you could have an underwater horror category if we were doing underwater movies. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like a lot of casting. Horror.

[B]

Yeah. There's no sharks in space.

[A]

Things can go wrong everywhere.

[C]

That we know.

[A]

Well, let's add this as everyone's explaining the relationship to space and space movies. Would you want to go to space? Yes. You answered that really quickly. Yeah. Uncomplicated.

[B]

In fact, I think I'm actually.

[D]

I'm a hard.

[A]

I'd be scared.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Due to a series of life choices. I think I'm a good candidate.

[A]

Okay. Do you want to, like, workshop that?

[B]

Breaking commitment to fitness in middle age. No children. So if it's a 60 year trip, that's not a big deal.

[D]

How are you with G's?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Otherwise I don't. I don't really love them, but I could train and I think I'd be a good first impression for an extraterrestrial life form.

[D]

I think we all agree.

[C]

Are you really my number one choice for Earth ambassador?

[B]

You can play Beethoven if you want, but how about me being like, who are you?

[A]

Your guys. Right. What are what. There's no better person to recommend our species.

[C]

I really agree.

[B]

Thanks completely. Yeah.

[A]

Damn.

[C]

As opposed to Robin.

[D]

No, I. I'm not going into Space. I'm not being an ambassador for jack shit.

[A]

You're scared. You want a more predictable circumstance for your life.

[D]

Our cars are falling apart, our computers are falling apart. Why am I to believe that a spacecraft is not going to fail me in the way that. I've seen enough of these movies. They always fail you.

[A]

Okay, but what do you like about watching the movies? Is it that is watching other people in peril?

[D]

I like the other people. Exist than peril. And as far as like, you know, as a native Texan, any proximity to Houston, like you are rocket pilled from the jump. Like we were doing like overnight sleepovers at the space museum. It's like a whole thing. It's a whole culture.

[B]

Was there any beef with Cape Canaveral?

[D]

No, it's non existent because honestly we're too big for it. We don't think about them at all. Where they land, not our business.

[B]

Sec just means more.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. Like, it's just not a concern, you know.

[C]

Are you allowed to claim Houston if you're a Dallas person?

[D]

Well, this is an interesting parallel because I would say Dallas and Houston have a similar, we don't think about them relationship very much. So, you know, I'm going to choose

[A]

to have it both ways here.

[C]

Do you wish it was Dallas? We have a problem.

[D]

No, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work that way.

[B]

Fort Worth Metroplex. We have a problem.

[D]

Larger DFW problems are had. Well, I mean, I love a space movie for the problems. I love a space movie for the staring into the void and coming off on the other side with some greater knowledge of yourself. And also just like Star wars was the first movie that rewired my brain, like made me want to watch more movies, especially in like a live action, non animated sense. And in my extended family, coming of age to the point where you can watch an Alien movie is like your bar mitzvah, right? Like that's like a rite of passage. So I can just like mark the time of my life by mostly space movies, to be honest with you. And I feel great about it.

[C]

Did your older brother like hold it over you that he got to watch Alien before?

[D]

You know, it's just like it's happening in the other room and we're going to watch Aliens now and you need to leave. Oh, and so then once you're old enough to stay in the room, your life is never the same.

[C]

Just had me watch movies that I was way too young to watch.

[A]

You were watching that at like four very tough. You were being sent off to Europe in middle school. High school. That's a call back to something you

[C]

shared on a recent trip. I did say it into a microphone.

[D]

Incredible.

[A]

Joanna, your relationship to space cinema.

[C]

Space is dope.

[A]

Space is dope.

[C]

Yeah. I love that we're doing Space Month. This has been really. It's been really fun to cover interstellar. We're doing the Martian project. Hail Mary. Like, enjoying all of that. And then the rewatching and first time watching that I did for this draft. I don't think I needed to. There's so many movies that I just know by heart that are eligible today. But there were just a few that I had never seen, and I took it as an excuse to watch them. And I just had a great weekend, so.

[A]

And then some you just wanted to revisit for the sheer pleasure of it. Like Thor, the Dark World.

[C]

And some of them. I texted you saying I stopped this early as self care.

[A]

You did indeed. And I know what that movie is and you don't.

[C]

That's okay.

[B]

I think we're all going to have different flavors, you know, it's going to be a little bit of like the fun pack you get of little cereal boxes.

[A]

What did you go for in there?

[B]

Cap' N Crunch.

[A]

Ooh, yeah. Crunch Berries.

[C]

Yeah, It's Cocoa Krispies.

[D]

Frosted Mini Wheats, y'. All. Come on.

[A]

Frosted Mini Wheats as well. Personal favorite. Every now and then, a Frosted Flake

[B]

care package from a extended family member in the Florida area who sent me a buc ee's care package.

[C]

Oh.

[D]

First of all.

[B]

And that was just basically like a bag of Captain Crunch.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Super powered.

[C]

Also, beaver nugs.

[D]

This is the thing. If you needed a food to take into space, beaver nuggets would be very viable.

[B]

That would be actually my. My code name in space. I bet.

[A]

I bet.

[B]

Me and Ethan Hawke. Yes.

[A]

I also love space movies. Yeah. Mal Urban.

[C]

How do you feel about space?

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Yeah, space. Space is cool. I used to like to look up at the stars and think about it. Think about how big it was, is how vast it is, you know? And I love space movies. I love how many space movies. It's a genre, but there are so many genres inside of that. I think that's part of what's fun about an exercise like this draft today. Like. Like you're saying, like, you can go in so many different directions. I think genuinely the depth of the field is so substantial that, like, even if somebody takes something you were dying to have it doesn't matter. Like, there are so many movies we all love that we could take across the categories.

[D]

I was hearing a lot of Space Cope about the picks that you're not going to be able to make.

[A]

You know, why are you starting problems right now? This is his energy draft.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I'm aware somewhere along the way I became. Well, I don't want to say I became the mellow one because that's a lie, but I became the less cruel one, I think.

[D]

I wouldn't say I've ever been cruel to you.

[B]

The thing is that this is not your typical draft that you guys have set up. I think that there's a lot of conviviality going into it.

[A]

But what's going to happen when we start? There's. There's like much like a mission to space.

[B]

The categories are. Are open to interpretation.

[A]

I think so.

[B]

And I think also what defines a space movie is. Is like a. A question that the, the. The Elena Kagans and Samuel Alito's are going to be thinking about for decades.

[A]

Indeed. Indeed. Well, and that'll. We'll explain that in a moment. But I think that's also one thing I like about space movies. Sometimes you go to space, sometimes the space comes to you. You know, you can count in relationship to space.

[D]

I think inner space counts.

[A]

Said that more than once.

[D]

I think we're on a rock hurtling through space. So anything that's an earthbound concern.

[C]

We're literally the Dennis Quaid vehicle Inner space.

[D]

I will not be selecting it.

[A]

First round pick for Rob Mahoney. We can learn about ourselves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We can watch something visually astonishing. The technological advancements, adventures.

[B]

A funny thing about space movies is I think that for the purposes of like how big of a cast they need, you know, like they can shoot it a lot on sound stages. The interiors, the design is often iterative. So that's like we're still building off of like what was we saw in the Nostromo they're still using as kind of like a baseline for what they make space stations look like or spaceships that you can do them affordably. Like if you're not doing a ton of. Of outdoor outside, like the ship stuff. You can do high life or whatever. It can be kind of like on the more so you get a lot of different flavors. Some great auteurs up there shooting the stars. So I can't wait to do this.

[A]

So many of our great filmmakers are at one point, like, I want to make a space movie or maybe I want to make three or four space movies. Like, there's obviously something that draws. And I think a lot of what we're all saying is part of the reason why. There's the technical and like craft aspect, but also the fact that you can explore something very internal. Like what is this journey for each individual character? But also it can be about forging relationships, connections, or having terrifying war inducing experiences with another species, another type of being. Is the crew coming together and uniting? Is it a friendship and found family story? Are people tearing each other apart because they've lost their own minds? They don't trust each other? Like you can do anything you want in a space movie. So that combination of the connective tissue, whether it's the interior of a spaceship, like you're saying, or some other aspect, but then the capacity to do whatever you want inside of it. And so I love that you can have something that's clearly an homage and part of a coaching tree, but then feels like entirely its own thing as well. It's just great.

[C]

Well, there is like an irresistible. So not to spoil our chat with Andy Weir, but I did ask him about like, space movie tropes. I don't think he gave like a really. He didn't love that question, I think. But I will say that I, I'm a really good interviewer. But like, there are certain shots that you, you can just feel directors like itching to be like, I want to do my version of this.

[A]

Yes. You know, Absolutely. It's like all the bloggers on the Internet, they read the Sea is Dope and they're like.

[B]

And now none of them have I

[A]

want to do this.

[C]

We said bloggers. And I was like, let's blow the dust off of that.

[B]

We all tried to write the Sea is Dope and it turned out you

[D]

can draw a straight line from the Sea is Dope to Luke Cornett, ending Magic City night for the Atlanta Hawks.

[A]

All right, let's explain. You explain how the draft is going to function. So there are four of us. You can tell, you can hear us, you can see us. It's a four person draft and it's going to be a snake draft. Carlos is going to set the order in real time. We don't know the order that we're picking and we're about to find out. But let's explain first the categories and the eligibility. And then let's remember to have Carlos set the order. Six categories. So we will be selecting 24 total films. That's like a drop in the bucket for space Movies. There are a lot of space movies.

[C]

By bucket, you mean all of outer space. Yeah.

[A]

That is one pinprick of light in the great abyss. All right, here are the categories. Space horror. Now, that can be an actual horror movie, but it does not have to be. It can be horror in another form. It could be something spooky, something scary, something that you find destabilizing, unsettling. Room to play in that category.

[D]

So if I found Kevin Spacey in K Pax eating a banana with the peel on to be unsettling.

[B]

But he's just an alien.

[D]

But that's from space.

[A]

As is always the case, you're welcome to push the limits of a category and then find out if you're really

[C]

into, like, if an alien's in it, it's a space movie. And I'm kind of anti that.

[B]

I'm kind of anti that as well.

[A]

Tough shit.

[D]

It was literally in the rules, as prescribed. I'm just saying.

[A]

Circulated days ago.

[C]

Yeah, space.

[A]

But this is a. This is a key element of the criteria.

[C]

I think it'll be kind of lame if. I think if you draft like, one of those. But if your whole thing is like. And then an alien came in.

[A]

But individual strategy. Like, if you want to do something. Earlier today, voters can reject it.

[C]

Rob Mahoney was like, are we all in space all the time?

[A]

Are we not interest?

[B]

Oh, so kicking and Screaming by Noah Baldwin.

[C]

Working girl.

[D]

Space connections.

[A]

I think we should say that space, an alien or otherwise a ship. It can't be incidental. It can't just be there to count as a space movie. But if it's a primary, propulsive alien.

[C]

Alien. Ever incidental in the plot.

[A]

By the way, K?

[C]

Pax is here every now and then.

[A]

Then it's a space movie. I think that's just, like, part of each strategy. If you think the voters are challenging,

[C]

I'm ready to challenge.

[A]

Honestly, it sounds like we're gonna have a 50, 50 tie here.

[D]

Yeah, sounds like half of us read the instructions. I don't know what to say.

[A]

Okay, so that's Space Horror. Our next category is Space Connections. Connections in any form. So this is the one that I would say is, like, most directly inspired by Project Hail Mary as the hook for this draft. Like, space friendship can be a reason that you pick something. A movie where the crew on a ship is very central to the story. Space family, space romance. This can be inter or intra species. If the connection is core to the text, you can select it as a space connection story. Space Saviors is Our next category now this can be Space Messiah. This like chosen one. This can also be we're on a mission, we have a task and it's important. So another kind of broad category that you can play with is you See fit. First Contact. This is the one I think probably clearly where we're going to have the most. This is like a land bound film. And is it eligible? And I think, I think definitely it should be. Space Invader should be part of it, but it doesn't have to be. The contact can happen in space. Sure, if you want. Up to you. Visual Splendor is our next category.

[B]

Self explanatory.

[A]

As we've all said, space movies just look fucking great.

[D]

They do.

[A]

If you think one looks particularly great, if it's influential, whatever, pick it there. And then Wild Card, which as always is a film that could have gone into any of the other categories or frankly wouldn't have fit in any of those categories. And you want to pick it because you love it. Wildcard can be anything you want.

[C]

And there's Lem Ross.

[B]

Yeah, in space.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

My wildcard list is very deep, technically.

[B]

Pretty close to the moon, I would say.

[C]

Too deep.

[A]

So Space Horror, Space Connection, Space Saviors, First Contact, Visual Splendor, Wildcard eligibility. Project Hail Mary may be the hook, but it is not eligible to be selected today because only two of the four of us have seen it.

[B]

It's okay. If you guys want to pick, I'd like to see.

[A]

And I think more importantly, the listeners have not seen and listeners.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What's going on with you today? You're gonna be the first one to lose it on the ship. I'm gonna look around.

[B]

I'm just trying to add ad libs, you know, like. I'm just saying, like, you wanna be able to select Project Hail Mary. Neither. Of all the people I expect to vote for me.

[A]

Yeah, it's great. You can't pick people. He really is. Films from any year are eligible.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Pick an old one, pick a new one, do whatever the fuck you want. Animated films are eligible. Great news.

[B]

Doesn't matter.

[A]

Great news for you.

[D]

Honestly, there's fewer of them than I would have thought.

[A]

There are some, but yes, you can pick an animated film. I don't think that Chris Ryan will be doing that, but if anyone else wants to, they can.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

More than one film. This is an important one from a given franchise can be selected. We're not doing any fantasy. Like someone picks something and the entire fucking world around it is eliminated from consideration. This is a Celebration. If more than one person wants to pick a Star Trek movie, they can. If you want to pick Rebel Moon Part one and then you want to pick Rebel Moon Part two.

[D]

Oh, I do.

[A]

Classic.

[B]

Same voter. Pick more than one movie from a franchise.

[A]

You can, I think, like everything else. That's more of a strategy thing. Do you think that that would be rewarded in the voting or do you think that people would say you're going a little. You're leaning in a little bit to like, this one particular area? It's up to you.

[B]

Yeah, it's up to you.

[A]

You definitely can.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You definitely can. Land based movies are eligible. And as Rob noted, this has been a bullet point in this document for years.

[C]

I read the document.

[A]

I don't know how you read it before they did.

[C]

I just don't. Yeah, I did. I just don't necessarily. Holy. I just don't want it to be like the majority of what we talk about.

[D]

Sure.

[A]

I don't think it will be. I think it'll come up here and there, but not that often. Yeah.

[B]

I think for First Contact and it

[A]

sounds like only maybe from two of

[D]

us we will be exploiting the rules.

[A]

But what if this is a mind fault and they're trying to trick us into thinking that they're not going for those movies?

[D]

I believe it could.

[C]

That the energy that's coming.

[B]

No, not at all. I told you beforehand this. There are some drafts that I've done where there are obvious first picks, where you're playing to the crowd, where you're trying to get populist votes. This is Ballknower. Yeah, speaking. Yeah, I'm not really interested in what you guys think is a good space movie. I know what a good space movie is.

[D]

Hell yeah.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

I think that my. I'm picking the ones that I like.

[C]

That's.

[D]

That's Catherine.

[A]

Are you guys going like. I just like these things. These are things I like and I want to take them in the order I want to.

[C]

That's what I wound up doing in the Hypedraft. And I actually like Miserably Lost. I'm pretty sure. But also just felt really good about it.

[A]

You had a great experience. You celebrated the things you love. Okay. Interesting. Do you think there's such a thing as like a real. I said hipster pick earlier. You got mad at me. You said ball knower, the term you just used. Do you think, like, with space movies there are a lot of like, opportunities here to go real hipster ball? No.

[B]

Or early. I think People are like, it's actually this, like, round.

[A]

Round one.

[D]

You think, I can't wait to.

[A]

Do you guys think there is a consensus top pick or not? Without saying, I actually think there's a

[C]

difference between hipster and ball knower. Right, sure.

[D]

Walk us through it. What's the difference?

[C]

Hipster is like. It's a little niche, but it's this.

[B]

I don't know if you guys have seen. It's not quite on 4K.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But it's this. If you know and ball know, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like I've. I've basically been to space.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And this is basically what it's like.

[A]

And that is how you will see.

[D]

This is how the diapers feel on your screen.

[B]

I can't give you a better example without actually spoiling things.

[A]

Yeah. This explains why you think space is so knowable. You know, you're like, no mysteries out there. I've basically been because I've watched so much space.

[B]

When Ryan Reynolds, Life.

[A]

Exactly. Last kind of rule or thing to keep in mind is just that, as is always the case with these drafts, a movie could be selected in a number of these categories. There's gonna be a lot of category bleeds. So that's just sort of part of the fun as you're crafting your. Your draft squad here. I definitely want to pick this movie. Which category do I want to pick it in? Is positional scarcity in a given category a factor in how you're drafting or.

[C]

No.

[A]

Are you just saying, this is the movie I want. I'm taking it. Categories be damned. Those are the categories, and those are the rules. Any questions?

[D]

None whatsoever.

[A]

So you guys don't think there's a consensus? Number one. Again, without saying what are you.

[B]

I think there are two, depending on generational lines.

[A]

I feel like there are. I am so curious to see if this winds up being true or not, but I feel like there are, like, these are the top two picks, and then from there you could go 50 ways, but I don't know. We'll find out. This is going to be very interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Let's find out the order.

[A]

Should we set the order?

[C]

I just like the last draft I did, which was over on the big pick, I was like, there's definitely a number one that I drafted. My number one. Never at the table's. Like, I wouldn't have picked that. So I don't really want to fill up my flag anywhere.

[A]

But it was a great pick.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

Oscar Snow. Yeah. It was Mad Max. She took Fury Road.

[D]

That was a great movie.

[C]

And Rob Poney was like, well, the good thing, Joanna, is that you did something that was very you.

[D]

Is that not a compliment?

[A]

Exactly right. The Bhad Bhabies will be able to vote on our squads on all of the various Ringerverse social media platforms in the Spotify episode post, et cetera. Okay, Carlos, will you please reveal the draft order?

[D]

All right, so the order is Joanna with the first pick. CR with the second pick.

[A]

Mal picking 3. Unfucking Robin 4. I knew this was. What did I say?

[C]

Left her body.

[A]

I just. I didn't want the third pick, that's all. But maybe if we don't have the same ideas for the top two, it won't matter. Damn.

[D]

I really don't think there's going to be as much consensus, maybe broadly, but individual picks. I find it hard to believe.

[A]

I'm very. I just can't. This is typical. I just said I don't. There's only one pick I don't want. It's the third one. Look at this beautiful board we have here.

[D]

It's gorgeous.

[B]

Gorgeous.

[C]

What is this?

[A]

Gorgeous.

[C]

Roll that. Beautiful bean footage.

[A]

Stonen. Okay, let's fucking draft, man.

[C]

Let's do it. Joanna Robinson in visual splendor. I will be taking 2001 A Space Odyssey, Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece that defined space movies for all of the directors who followed. You hear any director talk about what they were trying to achieve. They will mention 2001 A Space Odyssey. Nolan talks about it a ton when he talks about interstellar. I mean, actually, I'll not talk a bunch of space movies. We'll keep those a surprise. But this is it. This is the template. It made us scared of red blinking lights. It made us scared of obelisks. It is unknowable in many ways, unlike space, which is pretty knowable. And I just love. You know, when I saw this as a teenager, I had been anticipating it for a really long time. I knew about it, but I hadn't seen it. I saw it when I was, like, about 17, I think, and I was deeply confused by it. And then I read the book and it didn't enlighten me. But then I just sort of lingers with you and you think about it all the time. And so I'm a huge fan of this movie. I know it's the real hipster pick. No one would pick this.

[A]

This is what I meant when I said there's a consensus, number one.

[B]

I assume there is, but I think this is the.

[A]

Would everyone have taken this at number one. I would have.

[D]

I would not, to be honest.

[C]

Generational.

[D]

I think it is somewhat generational. I also like. I like and admire this movie, but it's like.

[B]

You think it's kind of overrated?

[D]

No, no, no, no. In 2001, distinctly not doing that.

[B]

Do you prefer the space movie Kubrick made when he staged the moon landing or.

[D]

I mean, look, it's very vivid in terms of visual splendor. You know, it's very compelling stuff. Yeah, I think some of it is that of like. I think there is an awe to 2001. But do I feel pulled to it in the way that I feel pulled to other sides of the universe?

[C]

I don't feel like emotionally, like deeply emotionally connected to it.

[B]

You don't like the four dimensional Library of Love?

[C]

Well, that's something else.

[B]

Oh, that's my bad.

[C]

That's a little like the baby in the air. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So our child space fetus. Listen, I don't feel like this. This will not be a movie that makes me like weep with joy or sorrow, but it is just a movie that haunts you, like a lot of Kubrick movies.

[A]

Do I think this is definitely.

[B]

Can I ask one follow up question? Sorry. Sorry for getting the wrong movie there. Do you think Hal would make a good podcaster?

[A]

Fantastic.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Well, it doesn't matter because he's going to be a podcaster.

[A]

He's got a plan, he does his prep, he's got dry wit, great at gaslighting, often.

[B]

Been thinking about breaking out of HAL and seeing how long it takes Andy to notice.

[A]

Do it right now. Workshop it. He's not going to listen to this pod, so it'll still be fresh when you drop it on the watch.

[B]

That's very interesting, Andy. Tell me more about how you feel about Rooster.

[C]

I'm sorry, Mal, I can't do that.

[D]

The problem is, the more you do it, the more you're feeding the machine that will replace exactly you, but in the voice. I can't bring myself to do it.

[A]

All right, I know what Chris is going to pick. This is why I didn't want this. Yeah.

[B]

So visual Splendor. I'll take Interstellar, which is not what

[A]

I thought you were going to see. The generational.

[B]

Generational divide. I think I always liked Interstellar and I had an amazing first watch of it. And then a few years ago I had a chance to be in London and at the Prince Charles cinema. They would do. I think it's weekly, but it might be monthly. They Do. Basically, they show Interstellar all day and night. And the line was around the block.

[A]

Like, they just show it. It's consecutive.

[B]

It's like you can go see interstellar at like 2 in the morning if you want, after the pubs close and stuff.

[A]

One more reason to be in London.

[B]

And the line was around the block and it was all people in their 20s. And I was like, oh. And the guys at the movie theater were like, oh, this is like the biggest movie for people under 30 in existence. And I think I went back into it, rewatching it, knowing that it had had such a huge impact. As far as Visual Splendor, I think the only thing in ITS tier is 2001. There are 10 things in this movie that I think are among the coolest I've ever seen, much less in a space movie. The story maybe loses some oxygen in the last 30 minutes or so, but I think up until that point when you're like, is this dude gonna solve Existence in this movie is pretty amazing. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with, with that for Visual Splendor.

[C]

The generations, like, when we had Van on talk about Interstellar, like, we. I found that generational conversation so fascinating. And I, like, I would like to continue to think about why that generation, like, it's a great movie.

[A]

We gotta get Tate on the line. I was telling Joe and Van when we did Interstellar a couple days ago that Tate. I have a vivid memory of Tate walking into the Grantland office and being like, this is the single.

[B]

Oh, he is like, speaking for a

[A]

generation of young people at the time.

[B]

There's also something like, I think it's worth remembering. Like, we just did a vote for one of the Rewatchables movies this month and it was Goonies versus Nice Guys. And Nice Guys easily won.

[A]

I think I am justiced by that.

[C]

Well, I love the Nice Guys, but like, but like, people aren't watching Goonies is your point.

[B]

Or, or like there are people who are like 28 and they're like, Goonies is good, but Nice Guys is the movie I saw when I was 18 and thought was like the most mind blowing thing ever because it was so funny. It's like, I think we don't like, I, I know I don't always think about, like the experiences people who are younger than me are having and how that would shape them the same way I was shaped.

[C]

I think about that when I. When we talk to people who, like, grew up with Marvel versus those of us who, like, watched Marvel as An adult and they're just like. They're like, these are the heroes of my childhood. It's a different relationship entirely. But I was thinking generationally about Interstellar and like growing up with the threat of climate change or like what, like what are the factors for that generation? Not just like how old you were when you watched it, but is there anything specific about that generation or is it continuing down the line? Are like Gen Alpha and like, etc Onward really into Interstellar?

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean like there's also like there, there. There are obviously movies that Interstellar draws from, but there are things in that movie that I don't think I've ever seen before. You know, like especially the. The Wave Planet.

[C]

I'm like, the sea is dope. Space is dope.

[A]

That is. There you go. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that you picked this based on that. Any thoughts on Cooper's Carhar jacket? It's great.

[D]

Fits.

[B]

Great fits. Great memes coming out of this one.

[A]

You ever cried like that in your life? Just like the tear pouring down the cheek.

[B]

No. If I ever heard the national anthem at the super bowl and I was standing on the sidelines.

[D]

I do think that's part of it though, of if you think you like sci fi movies and getting pulled into a distinctly hyper emotional sci fi movie for the first time. The radicalizing experience. I think for sure.

[C]

And it's.

[D]

I think we also need to say one of the great large format movies of all time, like seeing Interstellar on IMAX is a one of one experience. If you have the opportunity to do it, I would do it.

[A]

I'm up. I was feeling glum about having the third pick, but I'm not because the thing that I thought was a surefire at two is still here and it's your fa. I'm. I'm astonished. I'm taking Alien.

[D]

Good.

[B]

What categories?

[A]

Space Horror. And I'm relieved because Space Horror is the one I have the least confidence navigating as a category because I'm scared easily. So I'm really happy to be able to get my Space horror pick early. I think for that reason, frankly, if I had had the top pick, I would have taken 2001 in space horror to be able to address. But I think it's like a great visual splendor pick. Obviously.

[C]

Space romance. What the hell.

[A]

The only reason I didn't use. And there are a number of different examples inside of franchises, but Alien and Aliens, I assume will both be taken in this draft. We'll find out. But the only reason I didn't mention that in the intro, because I thought there was a 0.1% chance someone wouldn't take Alien in the top two picks. If nobody mentioned it, then you walked in wearing that shirt, and I was like, well, there we fucking go. It's locked. You've got Jonesy on your shirt. It's beautiful. So, yes, I am taking the 79. Alien the first, which I think both Alien and Aliens are masterpieces. Alie Yin is my favorite by just

[C]

like, a way to fucking go, man.

[A]

One hair. I just think they're both incredible, but I love it. Jonesy. Iconic Ridley Scott. More than one Ridley Scott movie will be selected today, I suspect.

[B]

Quick follow up.

[A]

Up, please.

[B]

What's scary about Aliens?

[C]

Alien.

[A]

I mean, so the Xen. Xenomorph. And, well, for me, Jonesy, a cat being in peril. Terrifying, obviously.

[B]

Like, exhaust tunnel being chased by a xenomorph.

[A]

Genuinely a.

[C]

Like something bursting out of your chest. Yawn.

[A]

Chest burst are, like, down on the list in, like, the bottom tens. I think that the xenomorph is obviously scary in general and deployed to great effect across films. Like, I find a number of the Alien movies quite terrifying, but in a way that I enjoy because monster horror is more. As we've talked about and you've psychoanalyzed me many times. It's like, where I can tolerate horror. The idea of being trapped in a confined space with the thing that is trying to kill you. And one by one by one, it's claiming everyone around you, and you're like, maybe it's gonna rip my head off, this xenomorph. Is it gonna be a drop of goo that's alerting me to something? Is the acid blood gonna melt the plank I'm standing on or a part of my body? Obviously, we get into some very memorable airlock sucked into space stuff. Also terrifying. And just the idea of, like, stumbling upon the unknown and then realizing that your life is expiring and it's on you and you alone to figure it out, because everyone else who might have helped you is fucking dead. But you've also got to save the cat.

[C]

Something I love that Dan o' Bannon has talked about about Alien is like, we made a haunted house movie. Yeah, right. Yeah. Or like a slasher in the house movie. And it's like thinking about a spaceship as an opportunity. And there's a number of films where they deploy that, but, like, none more famously than Alien. But, like, the spaceship as this. Where can you go? Yeah, you know? Yeah.

[A]

And like the logline, it's just the most perfect in the history of cinema. In space, no one can hear you screaming, which captures that so perfectly. Like, what is inside with you? But also, there's no help coming. Yes, right. It is. You're in the fucking void in the vacuum of space. And so, like, that is terrifying. It's just a masterpiece. And I love it.

[D]

I mean, the xeno is probably the best designed creature in film history. And I'm really glad you brought up, like, the acid for Blood to me is like, that's the piece. Because it's like if you. In theory, if you are well armed enough and brave enough and cunning enough, it's like, okay, maybe you could get a jump on a xenomorph, but even if you do, you're gonna get covered in its acid.

[B]

Acid blood.

[D]

It's just like a perfect. And especially in space where even if it gets on the rock.

[C]

Were you being Romulus guy? When the acid blood is like, I really like zero G acid blood.

[D]

That was so clearly, like, this dude's been thinking about Alien his whole life. And it's like, wouldn't it be so

[B]

it was probably like he walked in and he was like, I don't really have a story.

[D]

Very good.

[C]

Sold.

[A]

You have two picks, Rob Mahoney. And you have like 50 movies. You could.

[D]

There's a lot. I mean, even the possibility that Alien was dangling there was very tempting to me. So I'm bummed that it's taken off the board. I'm gonna start with Visual Splendor, though. And I'm gonna take Star Wars A New hope, actually, in Visual Splendor.

[B]

Interesting.

[D]

I don't think there is a scene in the history of movies that has had a more profound effect on me as a person than Luke looking out in the binary sunset.

[A]

Nicely. Same.

[D]

I think it is a call to adventure. I can feel on a molecular level. I think it is. And I say this fully aware of how insane this is a thing to say. But of all the things John Williams has ever done, I think that particular swell of score might be the absolute pinnacle of it. And so I'm starting with that visual of splendor and a new hope. But by picking a new hope, you also get the trench run. You also get the cantina. You get all of these aspects of awe that are coming back and back and back. The jump into hyperspace. Fucking lightsabers for the first time, like, I will take the Splendor of all of that stuff against the best that space movies have to offer.

[B]

Fucking lightsabers, man.

[D]

Pretty good.

[C]

So a 1960s movie and two 1970s movies.

[A]

This is interesting.

[C]

And then just Chris holding it down for the year.

[D]

D for the Gen Z. Chris, without,

[B]

without tipping any other movies in the Star wars franchise, do you think that Star Wars A New Hope is the most visually splendid?

[D]

I think you have. It's one of those, like, you have to tip your cap to the initiation of the ideas.

[C]

Right.

[D]

I think even some of the more recent movies have amazing visual displays. I think they've, like certain filmmakers have figured out really how to crack the code on what to do with, with those visual stylings.

[C]

But now that's pod racing.

[D]

But pod racing is kind of dope. We need to reclaim pod racing.

[A]

Honestly, if someone's like, pick one 11 minute movie scene to watch right now,

[D]

I'm not mad at it. I'm mad.

[A]

Why not? I think the answer to that is definitely no. But I think you're making a well stated and valid case that how influential and revolutionary it was.

[C]

I think picking the binary sunset as this visual marker is.

[D]

I get goosebumps thinking about it. So if I wasn't picking it, what am I doing in this draft? My second pick? I honestly have no idea what to do, I guess. Can I get some, some guidance on First Contact as a, as a category?

[A]

Yep.

[D]

One of my favorite things about Alien movies is that it's almost always somebody's first contact with the alien, with the xenomorphs. Could I pick aliens as First Contact?

[B]

Oh, you son of a bitch.

[A]

No, no, no, no, I don't think so. Definitely not even I say no to that.

[B]

Humans have had contact with that species already.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Just because Weyland Yutani is obscuring that fact.

[D]

But if every human being that came in contact is dead, but Ripley has

[B]

had a contact with them.

[A]

Yeah, Ripley's being sent back in cryo sac, I think.

[D]

No, in that case, I will take Aliens in Space Connections, I think for a variety of reasons. One, to me, the reason Aliens is so sick is the Colonial Marines vibe in Aliens is pitch perfect. I think the triangulation specifically of not just like Ripley is a force of nature on her own. But Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez is a perfect combination of attributes. And so I could watch a whole movie that's just all of these people in the mess busting each other's balls, and then we get to go fight aliens on top of it.

[C]

Plus, you've always said that Burke Is really like your film soulmate.

[D]

I try to channel his energy. Really what's best for Spotify as a company.

[A]

Yay. Interesting.

[B]

I like that you picked aliens in Connections and it was Hudson and Hicks and not Newt and Ripley.

[D]

That's really cool. Now Ripley and Jonesy, sure valid Newt. Not necessarily.

[C]

Does the fact that Hicks and Newt are just, like, unceremoniously killed off in the next movie really sort of destroyed.

[D]

Not my problem. Not my problem.

[C]

Got Finched.

[D]

But also, is there a more meaningful adversarial relationship in sci fi than Ripley and the Queen? Get away from her, you bitch. You know, I'm just saying there's connections of many kinds happening in aliens beyond our own with immortality.

[A]

Oh, man. All right, I'm gonna do what I said and follow my heart. So Rob and I, in our first two picks, will be taking movies from the same franchises.

[D]

So where are you going?

[A]

I'm taking Empire Strikes Back. How is that still here? What happened?

[B]

Because I don't really think of it as a space movie.

[C]

Cause I had one pick, and it was 2001 a Space Odyssey ballad excuse.

[B]

It's a snow movie and it's a Dago bomber.

[D]

It's more of a swamp movie when you think about it.

[B]

And it's a. It's a movie about reconstructive surgery.

[A]

Guess what? Bespin, Dagobah, Hoth, they're all in fucking space.

[B]

So it's getting to the Rob part. So is Earth, man.

[A]

Okay, Pick an Earth movie or don't, because that would be helpful, actually, when it comes back to me on the next pick. I am taking the Empire Strikes Back, one of my favorite movies of all time. Undeniably one of the best and most important movies of all time, period, Certainly genre sci fi movies. And I will be taking it. Obviously eligible in a number of categories. I'm going Steven Space Saviors because I think that this is a great movie for interrogating the idea of that responsibility and what you do with it and where it leads you and how you have to literally stare in the face, perhaps your own, Of the idea of what it is to carry that chosen one burden.

[D]

Please, please, Lord. Only what you take.

[B]

Am I supposed to know what movie you're gonna pick based on that?

[A]

I picked Vampire show. Right.

[D]

Okay. That was Dig up a cave vibes.

[B]

Is that what's happening? Okay.

[A]

Exactly. Thank you.

[B]

That was Yoda.

[D]

Got you.

[A]

No, it's just the kind of energy I'm trying to cultivate right now.

[D]

That was the voice of the X Wing.

[A]

Actually, yeah, exactly. It's some, some like, you know, Yoda training montage. Sound accompaniment. Yeah, this is, this is easy. I feel great about this. This. I, I. There are a couple other things that I would love to have with this pick as well, but I didn't think Empire would be here.

[C]

So.

[B]

Is there even any, like, how much space is in this movie?

[A]

What are you talking about? It's Star Wars.

[B]

Yeah, I'm just asking. I'm just asking.

[A]

They're going from planet to planet. Luke is flying in his Asteroids.

[D]

I would say that the space.

[A]

Actually, there's a. There's quite a bit of space and, and not only flight, space flight, but moving between different planets.

[B]

I just wanted to interrogate it.

[A]

Great. Well, you're up, man. Well, Mallory takes whatever. You'd be so chill, which is what

[C]

she promised for this draft.

[A]

I'm excited that I can't believe I have Empire. That's really thrilling. So, yes, Space savior for Empire. Chris, you're up. And you have already selected Interstellar. What are you taking next?

[B]

I think in Space Saviors, I'm going to take Apollo 13.

[A]

I was wondering how high this would go.

[B]

Jim Lovell is technically the hero of this film. My saviors, though, I just want to point out he dies without the guy, without Lauren Dean's Jon Aaron character being like, it's all about wattage. It's all about power. These guys don't have the battery power to start up the LEM or whatever. They're dead. So it was really just an engineer in old Texas.

[D]

Now we're talking old Texas.

[B]

Good old Texas that saved the day. But, yeah, lots of acts of obviously verifiable heroism by, by real people. And, you know, I think probably a movie that rekindled an interest or a passion for, like, actual space travel among, like, a generation after, after, like, a period of time where it was probably more associated with Cold War stuff and kind of Star Wars. I mean, it's just, it really brought it back to, like, the tactile, the, like, we can do hard things stuff, for sure. Space. Space travel probably is and should be.

[C]

It's so funny that you said Lauren

[A]

Dean, because I was like, didn't I

[C]

just watch a Lauren Dean space movie? And I did, and I will talk about it later.

[A]

But not exciting.

[C]

With love.

[A]

What a tease. This is a great pick. I watched this movie so much when I was a kid, and I think, like, kind of the point you're making where this was like a Star wars gets re released, obviously the ultimate gateway but Apollo. Apollo 13 was something that I watched a lot. I watched it with friends. I would watch it with my cousins when we would go up to visit them in Long Island. Just something that people enjoyed. And it was like a real. Oh, space is interesting spaces.

[C]

Do you like an astronaut movie in general?

[A]

I do, I do. I don't want to say too much in case it comes up later in the trash, but I do. I like interrogating what does it take to go to space?

[B]

Yeah, there's.

[D]

There's something about that too, where. Chris, you mentioned High Life earlier. I feel like that's one of the exceptions. Space movies overwhelmingly are American movies. We are obsessed with this shit and obsessed with the like, what does it take? Do you have literally the right stuff to get into space?

[A]

I showed some restraint by not saying,

[D]

well, I'm just throwing it out there. But I think that's a huge part of Apollo 13 is like American ingenuity. We're dumping the box on the table. We're going to figure it out.

[C]

At NASA, we wear short, short sleeves,

[B]

white button down, and black tie drives drink monster.

[C]

This is.

[A]

I don't want to. Jo, tell me if this feels like it's too spoilery. I think this is okay because it's more like premise than plot. But this is one of the things I really, really love about Project Hail Mary is that it is a we need to band together to solve this movie and is less firmly rooted in just that perspective in a way that I think especially right now, will feel very necessary.

[D]

Sure.

[A]

This is a fascinating draft from you.

[B]

Well, it's a little chalky. So now I'm trying to. I'm trying to freeze.

[A]

You think Interstellar at 2 was chalk. Wow.

[B]

I mean, I just.

[D]

I.

[B]

Star wars gets drafted a lot.

[A]

Yeah, it does. I'm trying to sometimes for a reason.

[B]

There's an assignment here, and it's about space. I mean, not about dagoboss.

[D]

I think you could do worse than drafting the literal favorite movie of an entire generation of film bros. I think it's a thing you could do.

[C]

I'm trying to court the film. Joe, you had picked a Kubrick movie. You did.

[A]

You had an outstanding pick to start the draft. Now you get to pick two movies in a row. You go in favorites. You go in.

[C]

This is easy.

[A]

Oh, easy.

[C]

I love Cocoon.

[A]

Don't pick anything set on Earth.

[D]

Space cowboys.

[C]

I'm picking something set on Earth.

[A]

Are you fucking serious?

[C]

After all, I am. For First Contact, I'm picking Close Encounters of Kind. This Is not spoiler because I'm not going to spoil the nature of it. But I've seen Project Hail Mary twice now and both time by far the biggest laugh is a close encounter as a reference. It's like a huge ball.

[A]

No.

[C]

Or moment in the theater. I love this movie. I have seen it on the big screen a couple different times. Stevie Spiel's story of Richard Dreyfus, the bad dad who wants to leave his family for space. 1977. This is. This is a. Before I saw it, I was aware of course of like the mashed potato volcano. I just didn't know how long it took to get to the contact. But that aspect which is just the end of the movie is some of the most thrilling, anticipatory and then just like beautiful. This like sonic messaging, this music messaging, this like non language based communication between people and aliens. Do the aliens look a little dopey in this movie? They do. Part of the charm, part of the chunk. I just think that like what we've been talking about in terms of the quest, the certainty that there's something more out there and I need to pursue it no matter what. If it means being a really bad dad. Listen, I don't think we get to space without a few bad dads.

[A]

You know what? They did not that family did not support his home. Redecorating. So it goes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Fantastic.

[C]

Pick space saviors. I'm picking Dune Part 1. Yep. Interesting. I'm doing it 2021. Dune Part 1. Paul Atreides being a chosen one, if you prefer to believe the hype goes fine.

[A]

Goes fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Does he believe his own hype?

[C]

If you're susceptible to messaging, he doesn't

[B]

believe his own hype. And that's what makes him worth the hype.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. The Lisan Al Gaib himself. Um, listen, is it. Is this Timmy's like best season right now or is the world high on Timmy? No, but are we high on Paul Atreides? Yes.

[D]

And how do you feel about ballet and opera though?

[A]

Good moment to ask people to vote for Timmy on the NFL.

[B]

People like, have we ever talked about ballet, opera?

[D]

Oh, I think the whole thing is bullshit. Yeah. I think the whole thing is is bad faith. 2019 clip mongering.

[B]

Here we are.

[C]

Here's my take, which is this. My sister who works in San Francisco Opera is like, this is hilarious. And also he's right. But also I just think he was a little snide about the way he said it. Was he wrong? No, he was not wrong.

[D]

With the sauce he put on it,

[C]

it was, the tone was a little like, whatever, but it doesn't support the

[A]

opera in the ballet.

[C]

But it doesn't mean that he should be Persona non grata anywhere. It was just like a dumb thing for him to say.

[B]

I support him talking. Talking his shit.

[C]

Well, he's been doing nothing.

[B]

But that whole, that whole thing that he did with McConaughey, I guess it was like a town hall. I don't know why.

[D]

For the Governor of Steel, he's doing

[A]

these like rewatches of his.

[B]

Funnier about how incredulous he is that Makai has like, only seen Interstellar once. He's like, what do you mean? What do you mean you've only seen it once?

[A]

Movie of a generation.

[C]

He was like, it's my most watched movie of all movies ever. Yeah, I'm taking Dune. This is an incredible space movie. Denis Villeneuve taking a iconic sci fi book that he loved that had been adapted interestingly by David lynch in a way that, like, we support, but we have questions about show some respect.

[A]

And then

[C]

made something absolutely jaw dropping. I would. I lean part one over part two, even though I really love part two as well, just because of how captivatingly exciting it was to see someone get Dune. So. Right. Part two is fantastic, but part one, you were just sort of like. You had no idea that it was like. And I remember when, when the poster came out, when, when the trailers came out, a lot of people who, who weren't into Dune or whatever were like, this is going to be boring. This is going to be dumb. I don't really care about this. And then it was just like a zeitgeist, you know, moment for big time cinema is how I feel about it. And that was during COVID and I went to like Masked up, but like several sold out IMAX screenings during like high Covid to see this movie and have the sound overwhelm me. And so that's where I am.

[A]

No questions about whether Dune is a space set in space.

[B]

I really like Joe, so I'm not

[A]

gonna be none of all interesting.

[B]

I. I think that there's someone out there who's gonna be like, is Dune more of a desert movie than a space movie?

[A]

And that someone is you. You're just trying to mix up the vibes in Dune.

[B]

They come from outer space. The worms are out there.

[C]

They start on a water planet.

[B]

The. The ones who can jump through time. What are those guys called?

[C]

The ones who can jump through time?

[B]

Yeah, like the ones who Were like, I got the big brain and I look like a worm, but I really am.

[A]

You're in your. You're in your Lynch.

[B]

But aren't those guys in June, too?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

No, you're talking. You're talking about the Spacing Guild.

[B]

The Guild.

[C]

The Mentats. Right. Oh, no, the space. Okay.

[A]

He's talking about the creatures. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

They're.

[C]

They're.

[B]

They're space people.

[A]

No question. Yeah, no question.

[B]

But why? I didn't pick it. So if you want to challenge Joe, go ahead.

[A]

Political space story.

[D]

A categorical concern. So you prefer Dune over Part two. But I would say Part two is the more savior Z of the two movies.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Because it also be.

[C]

When you say Empire Strikes Back, would you say other Star wars movies are the more visually splendory? I don't know.

[D]

I don't know that I would. That's why I picked it. I'm just wondering.

[B]

They've been stuck in the ER for too long.

[A]

Well, you could pick Doom Part 2 as your space savior.

[D]

I certainly could, and maybe I will.

[A]

You have not selected a space savior yet.

[D]

Right.

[A]

So there you go. Go.

[D]

Thank you, Jeff.

[A]

Chris, you're up. You could go in a number of different ways. Here you have interstellar and Apollo 13. What are you taking? I'm scared. I'm a little bit scared about what you might do and how it might impact space horror.

[B]

Let's go. Event Horizon.

[C]

Love it. Sam. Neil, baby.

[B]

Yeah, because it's kind of a. There are more sustained examples of space horror, but there's nothing more horrifying than the Hieronymous Bosch sequence of Event Horizon, which I still can't believe was released into movie theaters and that I saw at the age that I saw it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How old were you?

[B]

What year did it come out?

[A]

No idea.

[B]

9:97.

[C]

97.

[B]

I was in college, so I was. It was. It was okay, but it's still me. And whoever I saw it with, I can't remember, were just like, what the fuck happened? How did they let that into the. Into the final release of this movie, which is essentially like self cannibalism. Interesting sex stuff going on, eyes being gouged out, you know, whole face is being raped off. It's just. Honestly, as. Have you seen Event Horizon?

[A]

It's too scary.

[B]

It's too scary. You've never even turned it on.

[A]

Too scary.

[C]

If you had asked me, I would have bet so much money that you had not seen events.

[A]

Adam this weekend tried to like, should we boot up Event Horizon? Me. And I was like, I don't think so. I was sleeping pretty poorly as it is.

[C]

That was top of my space horror list. Like, that's. That's the most horrifying.

[B]

There are a couple of. I might. Maybe we'll find them again in Wildcard.

[A]

But I thought I knew what you were going to pick in space horror. Surprised?

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

This is all this is. You're full of surprises today. But I love it.

[E]

Okay?

[A]

I love it. I've not seen this movie, so I can't comment, but you sold me with interesting sex stuff. Maybe I will check it out afterwards.

[B]

For Ball Knowers, Event Horizon is a ball nowhere movie.

[A]

Is it? Yeah. Why?

[B]

Because I think it's like, it's. It's about as like they push the limits on like what you can do out there in terms of like, how scary could it be up here for real.

[A]

And the.

[B]

Aside from even the Harous Bosch stuff, there's. There's imploding inside of your space suit, there's visions of your dead wife. All sorts of stuff is happening that

[A]

might come up again today. We'll find out. I'm taking E.T.

[C]

i knew. I knew you were.

[A]

I'm actually in First Contact. In first contact. I'm taking E.T. i want to thank you because I also would be delighted to take close and casual. I don't know how I would have made the decision. I think I would have just probably gotten up and left because I wouldn't have been able to decide if they had both been here at First Contact. Two of my favorite movies ever. But E.T. is a genuinely seminal text in my life. So I'm very excited to be able to get it here in First Contact in the third round. I'm thrilled doing the rewatchables. That was like one of our first time back in person. Yumi, Fenrock and Bill and we like, had been home Covid for a long time and we just like gathered around a table and I was like, reese's Pieces suck. Actually.

[C]

These suck.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

This is our most unified candy.

[A]

Usually we're divine, but they're just not good. It's the wrong balance of chocolate to Peanut butter.

[D]

Peanut butter and the candy co. What's the right balance?

[A]

As Chris just pointed out, a. A peanut butter M and M gets.

[B]

It's more of a like, powerful peanut butter hit.

[C]

And I will say. I will one up that and say a peanut M and M because it has added like crunch.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You ever had a pretzel M and M or a caramel M and M?

[C]

There's a gas station on the five that has like. That is like a weird sort of test market for weird candies that aren't nationally available.

[A]

Why aren't you bringing me candy? All these troops are making up.

[C]

I drive up and down the five all the time. There's this one gas station where I was like. Like, this isn't out. They're just like floating this in this random.

[D]

It's like a demographically perfect test market for some reason.

[C]

What does Lodi think of.

[A]

I watched this movie like a thousand times when I was a kid, said ET Phone home more than I said any other thing in the world would just walk around pointing like this. I just fucking love this movie.

[B]

I think it's a good pick. It's kind of like saying Born in the USA is your favorite Springsteen song.

[A]

I don't have a comment on Springsteen's discography, but it does remind me that you've yet to follow through with your. Your now many times promised custom Springsteen lyrics for 90. So you're kind of dunking on yourself there a little bit.

[B]

True.

[A]

Rob, we're back to you on the turn so far. You have Star, A New Hope and you have aliens. Yeah.

[D]

I will be picking an earthbound, spacey movie in space Horror.

[C]

American Beauty.

[D]

Earthbound horror. Not American Beauty. I'm taking the thing as a space horror movie.

[B]

It is from space.

[D]

It's from space.

[A]

This was one that I was like, will people push back on this? No. Is this.

[D]

I mean, it's from space.

[C]

It is.

[B]

It is from space.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

No, I know distinctly from space. I think it's like the very best. If you want to talk about earthbound space horror, you got the body snatching stuff. Obviously you have all time great viscera in terms of the transformations. And it's like the fact that you're getting the aliens hiding in plain sight. But it's not just like we're doing that to save budget. We're doing it so that when they emerge as the grossest thing you've literally ever seen in your life is just going to hit you like a Mack truck.

[B]

Tough dog movie.

[D]

Very tough dog movie.

[C]

I.

[B]

If you were doing the thing.

[D]

If you were doing this, kind of.

[C]

Didn't you like watching?

[A]

I felt like when season three of Stranger Things, I think when it was like, this is all inspired by. I was like, I better like give this a shot.

[C]

And you watched it like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

What a movie.

[A]

Great pick.

[D]

Love the thing. Looking for the childs to my McCready out there. I don't know who it's gonna be.

[A]

Guys, I got news for you. Everybody's lineups are fucking great. These movies rule.

[D]

Just bomb across the board.

[A]

These movies rule. Okay. What are you selecting with your next pick? Rob, this will be your fourth of six picks.

[D]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna keep it relatively earthbound and in First Contact again because it's literally allowed by the rules. I'm gonna take Arrival as my first contact movie.

[A]

That's what I thought you were gonna do when you just. When you set it up the last time. Okay.

[D]

I mean, it's beautiful.

[A]

Great film.

[D]

It's powerful. I think, like, the visual of the spaceship over the horizon is, like, such a daunting one in this movie in particular, and that it's, like, that big and also as small as, like, can this woman save her future? Maybe marriage and kid? It's just, like, a perfect balance of all those things.

[C]

For me, the answer is no.

[D]

Well, but also. But also kind of.

[C]

She did it anyway. She did it anyway.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

It was worth. It was worth it to bring us into a level of consciousness in which we are experiencing time at the same level as octopods.

[B]

Oh, man. I mean, is that what's happening when she meets with the Heck Deposit Chinese general at the end? Yeah, it's as good as. It's as good as it gets. I mean, like, every.

[D]

This is the thing of this genre during this era. Everyone has their library of the heart. You know, it's. It's either a conversation with a Chinese general or it's trying to talk to your future kid through a bookcase. But we all have our future kid stuff, truly, so.

[A]

Oh, man.

[D]

But I love Arrival. To me, a modern masterpiece, so I'm. I'm really happy to have it.

[A]

What do you think? You want to push back?

[B]

Back on the thing or on Arrival?

[A]

Either.

[D]

Either one.

[B]

Well, Arrival is literally about the first contact with aliens.

[D]

It's true.

[B]

The thing on Earth.

[C]

On Earth which you see, I think

[D]

if First Contact is a category

[C]

most like, open to. They came to Earth.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

No.

[D]

Question is, aren't we the best at horror, though? Like, we produce regular horror on this planet at a unprecedented scale.

[C]

Libbing out with the.

[A]

Thanks for that chill vibe.

[D]

I'm just saying, where would the horror

[B]

be if not here?

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, man. Lot of good movies here, guys. Damn.

[D]

And you were so down on the third pick. Look at your slate.

[A]

I know. I'm thrilled. There are a bunch of things here I really like.

[C]

Ooh.

[A]

Oh, boy. So many Movies that I really like here, but which one not make it back to me? I don't really care about that. I'm just going to follow my heart. None of you are going to take this movie.

[D]

Transformers. How did you know which one?

[A]

Can you imagine Bumblebee Wally?

[D]

Honestly would think about it.

[C]

You're picking Wall ET and Wall E. I knew it.

[A]

I. I love this movie.

[B]

I can get your freak flag fly.

[A]

This is my freak flag. This is the greatest love story ever told.

[D]

It's beautiful.

[C]

I just feel like. I just feel like I really know you and it might be that we've. I feel together for 9 million hours.

[A]

I will say there are other ball knower picks that I definitely could have made here that I probably will be. Sad aren't there for me when it gets back to me. Because I don't think any of you were gonna take Wally.

[D]

I was considering it.

[A]

You might have picked Wall E. If

[D]

I needed space connections later, I think I would've.

[A]

Yeah. I just love this movie. It's my favorite Pixar movie by mile. It's one of my favorite animated films of all time. And I genuinely think it is a beautiful story about rediscovering humanity. Whether or not you are the human race. The relics of the human race hovering around in your little fast food bonnet bib bag.

[D]

I mean I am perpetually.

[A]

Or you have discovered the spark between two robots. Like who would you follow into space? You know, this movie gives you the answer. I've only seen every once. I'm frankly surprised you saw it at all given your completely warped and fucked up view on animation. Just beautiful mode of creation and expression. This was. I just swear to God, this was my number one in space connections. Ranked them.

[B]

I love this movie.

[D]

Their relationship. I mean, look, he's a simple man living a simple life. Little rough around the edges, but a heart of gold. She's like a driven career woman. Hyper ambitious.

[A]

I respond to it.

[D]

It's a tale as old as any rom com, frankly.

[A]

He's just like crushing tape at home. You know, he's watching movies, watching. Just waiting for someone.

[C]

Hello Dolly.

[A]

Watching hello Dolly. Waiting to reach out and hold the hand.

[B]

This is the robot?

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Okay,

[A]

robot.

[B]

What's the one? The one where they're all drinking Mountain Dew?

[D]

Eventually. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

And why are they doing that?

[D]

Because they're humans.

[C]

In the future, humans have just gotten real lazy.

[B]

Yeah, I can't imagine that.

[A]

In any case, there's also the great like the HAL homage in this movie Autumn. That's Great. This is actually. There's a lot of space cinema nods and winks in this film. It's beautiful.

[C]

I like, like half of Wall E. The first half. First half.

[D]

Second half is cute.

[A]

The space dance. I'm not sure anything has ever moved me more than the space dance. So how can I not pick it on the space draft?

[D]

I'm 100% with you on this. I think this is an amazing pick.

[A]

We're very in sync with our. With our selections. It's true, I think. Except for the thing, which is too scary for me, obviously. I love Arrival Someday. Okay. Okay, Chris, we are back to you.

[B]

Okay. I'm gonna go with something that I could have taken in space horror. I could have taken it in Visual Splendor and I could have taken it in Saviors, but I'm taking in Connections, and it's Sunshine.

[A]

This is what I thought you were gonna take when you picked a.

[B]

What's the connection A man and the sun, you know, and it's also between

[C]

man and a spirit. Many men.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And a woman in plants.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And oxygen garden.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[D]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Also our connection to the earth, which we need to save by nuking the sun.

[C]

And a woman in her dreams.

[B]

That's right. So this is Danny Boyle's 2015.

[C]

Earlier.

[B]

Earlier 2007. Some reason the. The Obama administration.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I just. All movies just came out, but I don't know. I can never remember whether it's late Obama. Yeah.

[D]

This is Pre.

[C]

This is 07. Yeah.

[D]

Well, this is not Obama level.

[C]

Obama Eve.

[B]

It's Obama. We were all in Wicker Park.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

I'm still there.

[B]

Left brother. This has the probably greatest single sci fi space movie scene of the 21st century to me. Which is Canada's death. Spoiler. If you haven't seen Sunshine.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

It is a movie that asks more questions than it has the bullets to answer, I would say. And may have been recut. And is basically two thirds of the. Of one of the great sci fi movies ever made. And then one third of like it's a guy and he's chasing you.

[D]

It would have been our 2001. The first two thirds if they had landed.

[A]

For sure. For sure.

[D]

I think it would have been.

[B]

Cillian Murphy is incredible in this Armstrong innocent.

[D]

What an amazing. It's not his fault.

[A]

Cam is so great. But in that stretch.

[C]

So it's like a. It's. You called this a yearbook movie, right?

[A]

When we talked about Dunkirk.

[C]

This is a real yearbook Movie. Except also Troy Garrity is here. But every single other actor, you're like, damn, Michelle. Yeah.

[B]

Avid House of Water follower. Knife to the heart.

[C]

Koyuki Sonata's here.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Benny Kwong, big space movie guy, by the way. Crops up across the board.

[B]

If we had a best score category, I would say this is a dark horse. Obviously, some of the most iconic film scores of all time come from space movies.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Fuck you, John Williams.

[A]

This is just quite a tape.

[C]

Hans Zimmer, Take a Bath.

[B]

I prefer John Dubs. Jaws or Raiders.

[C]

Jurassic park for me.

[A]

I mean, no one at this stage is going to argue with this. Come on.

[B]

Or Empire of the Sun.

[D]

Okay, I will argue.

[A]

Here's my favorite thing about sunshine. Every now and then.

[B]

I've never watched this.

[A]

Yes. I've watched this movie. Every now and then I'm like, can anybody possibly be as sunburned as I am?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then I watch them just peel in the chunks of their face off.

[C]

Yes. It's great.

[D]

It's kind of satisfying in a doctor Pimple Popper sort of way.

[A]

No, no question. Would you.

[C]

Are you real.

[B]

Would you.

[C]

Dr. Pimple?

[A]

No.

[D]

You know, would you like the algorithm serving me like people cleaning a grave site or something? A power washing a rug, you know?

[A]

Yeah, the rug. The rug ones I watch a lot.

[C]

That's a universal expression.

[B]

Those are really, really good. I love watching people fix up like old Camrys.

[D]

Oh, sure.

[B]

You know, or like I have like a mask.

[A]

You know what I love? Baseball gloves.

[B]

As long as the people fixing them up are women from the Idaho. Correct.

[A]

Just FYI, you had told us that off mic. So now that just sounds. Put it on mic.

[C]

Sorry. Now that just sounds really special.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Would you guys dive into the. Would you do. Would you do what Mace does? Would you go into the cooling tanks or. No, that's scarier to me than the sun.

[C]

It's not the cooling tanks. It's the getting your leg caught that

[A]

is around the risk of the pinning of gray.

[C]

This is a great Chris evolution, by the way.

[A]

Especially after he gets rid of the wig by getting a death.

[B]

I would say death is 98% certain. You're fixing the shields out on the spaceship. Death by sunshine is about. It's almost certain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you lean into it and say, let me have an experience that no other man has ever had?

[A]

Yeah. You get to know the face of God. No question.

[B]

Do you like. I can't make it. You just keep running.

[A]

No, you stay.

[D]

I'm burning up, brother.

[A]

No question. It is Tough to lose one of those fantastic golden spacesuits, though. That's a bummer.

[C]

Those are some of the best spaces.

[A]

Fantastic.

[C]

Across these movies.

[A]

Yeah. Really good. Okay, Jo, we are back to you. I mean, your lineup here is just incredible.

[C]

Thank you so much. How darling of you. Listen, I'm gonna take.

[A]

I would have taken Dune Part 2, but it's as fantastic.

[C]

I'm gonna take back to back. Same actor.

[D]

Oh.

[C]

In Space Horror, I'll be taking what I believe is a hipster pick, which is Moon, starring Sam Rockwell.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Because what is more horrifying than confronting yourself?

[A]

Spoiler.

[C]

In space.

[A]

Spoiler.

[C]

Spoiler.

[B]

Back to back, same actor. K Pax next. Then.

[C]

You know, I love kpax.

[A]

This is what I was alluding to with. There's something I. Because of who I'm drafting with, don't think will make it back to me that I would like to.

[C]

I think Sunshine and Moon. If you were like, what are the hipster picks in this draft? I would say Sunshine and Moon.

[A]

I love Moon.

[C]

Moon is an incredible movie. You know, this is the movie I pretend that Sam Rockwell won his Oscar for. And I just. I think this is, like, a really fun, creative space movie. Space idea. Mickey 17 wishes, and then I actually like that movie more.

[D]

Yeah. Why are we taking shots in Mickey 17?

[C]

It was fun.

[A]

It's like Moon walked so Mickey 17 could fall into a crevice. I liked Mickey 17 a lot.

[B]

How good would Mickey 17 be if he just didn't do the accent?

[C]

Like, so much fun.

[A]

I think it would help quite a bit better.

[D]

Yeah. Also, if Ruffalo didn't do the accent, there's a lot of accents that probably shouldn't have happened.

[B]

Do you think Pattinson's like, if you guys send me to space one more time, I think I can get it right.

[D]

I hope so.

[A]

He's about to be in space. He's in Doom Part three.

[B]

Oh. So if we call it Space.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, wasn't my pick over there just throwing it out there?

[C]

And also starring Sam Rockwell in Space Connections, I will be taking Galaxy Quest.

[D]

It's so good.

[C]

Which is one of my favorite movies of all time.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

I've seen it so many times.

[A]

I have that movie on vhs. Fucking love that.

[C]

My aunt and uncle are really hardcore Star Trek people. And my sister, I, for some Christmas or another, bought them Galaxy or showed it to them, and it is now their favorite movie. And they were like, we.

[B]

You.

[C]

It's like we gave them the Holy Grail. They were like, you have Unlocked everything for us.

[A]

Instead of an actual. You picked the Star Trek parody instead of an actual Star Trek.

[D]

It's better. It's a better Star Trek movie than any Star Trek.

[C]

I do love Star Trek. If I hadn't gotten Close Encounters with their kind, I would have picked Star Trek First Contact, which is my favorite Star Trek movie and is.

[D]

Well, you're pro Borg, as we know.

[C]

I love the Borg. The Borg queen in that movie. Alice Creek. She's so. She's so good.

[B]

Anyway, Borg have royal royalty.

[C]

Yeah, she's the Borg queen.

[B]

Oh, I thought they were all equal.

[D]

That's what they want you to think.

[C]

Hive mind. They're all one.

[B]

They're all one.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

But then there's.

[B]

But then there's hierarchy.

[D]

Some are more one than others. Okay.

[B]

Kind of like the thunder.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Tim Allen in a great. He doesn't know. He's kind of parodying himself, perhaps. Tim Allen role. Alan Rickman doing incredible work.

[A]

A remarkable Alan Rickman performance.

[C]

Sigourney Weaver, who played, you know, if you've never seen on Galaxy Quest, it's about a cast of a Star Trek esque show that get taken up to space because the aliens think they're, you know, it's like very three amigos sort of thing. Right. But in the TV show she played like a bimbo. And so to see Sigourney Weaver do like blonde bimbo mode is fantastic stuff. And then make fun of how bimbo y her character was. But Sam Rockwell who plays guy is just like a real standout in that.

[D]

See, I was waiting to hear the name Enrico Colantoni.

[C]

Oh, of course.

[D]

Who was just like.

[C]

I mean, you and I are huge

[D]

fucking fire Keith Mars fans. The line reads from an alien. Again, alien people trying to act human is like very fertile ground. See, like Men in Black and all these other things, but I feel like he's aisle too.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great stuff. Tony Shalhoub.

[D]

Classic Shalhoub.

[C]

This is a. This is a fantastic movie and I absolutely love it. And I can. It's endlessly rewatchable for me.

[A]

These are just amazing picks. You will be avenged. Your lineup's incredible.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

You've never been so nice to me.

[A]

I genuinely. I just think I really like space movies.

[C]

I love all these movies.

[B]

It's already like bad ones.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I think everybody's lineup's bad.

[D]

I'm not going into the Comic Con halls in the way that some of the people. At the same time.

[A]

You're missing out, man.

[B]

Let me tell you are there still,

[D]

like, those line moments of, like, say, the thing on the stage and the way that, like, Ryan Reynolds had to go up that one time and say the Green Lantern oath or whatever. Do people still do this?

[C]

Big time.

[D]

Oh, but, like, what is the thing. What is the thing that people have to say now?

[A]

I mean, here's an example. It's. It's a. Perhaps an odd one, but we went to Comic Con. It was my first San Diego Comic Con. I was sick for two and a half weeks after we got back.

[D]

When I got sick, we did interact with other humans. That's what happened.

[A]

It was wonderful. And at the Peacemaker panel, John Cena just came out dressed as Peacemaker.

[D]

Sure.

[A]

And was just in character the whole time. And people were losing their minds.

[C]

Everyone's chasing that Hiddleston high.

[D]

They are.

[A]

I mean, truly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Who among us? Chris, we're back to you.

[B]

I have one. One for First Contact, and I have

[C]

some questions about it.

[B]

I wonder if there will be some. My First Contact one is Annihilation.

[D]

I like it.

[A]

So I. Okay.

[B]

There's a lot of, like, ambiguity as we get towards the back half of that movie, you know, and what.

[C]

What we are encountering.

[B]

What we are encountering. As a reader of the Annihilation books, you know, like, I feel like have a slightly better handle on it than just the movie. And obviously it's something extraterrestrial is going on. The reason why I'm a little bit nervous about saying First Contact is because it's such a specific and unique world that you're not clear on whether or not it is, in fact, the First Contact. But in terms of, like, the. What would it actually be like to come into contact with something like that? It's just so mindbreaking that it gets, like, kind of close to 2001 in terms of, like, holy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Garland is for better or force. Just my guy, so.

[D]

Oh, this is for better.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Would be very clear.

[C]

Garland's on your list.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I quite like this movie.

[D]

It's unbelievable.

[B]

Very underrated.

[D]

Just the idea that, like, the alien thing is not a green guy or some humanoid. It's just, like, a presence. Right.

[A]

Can you make the sound? Can anyone make the sound?

[D]

Can any human make the sound?

[C]

Sound?

[A]

I guess not.

[B]

That sounds just like Yoda.

[D]

Yeah. Throw, like, a little metallic reverb on that. I think you're basing really good.

[C]

Jennifer Jason Lee role.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Big fan. Good.

[D]

Tessa Thompson choose for, like, hybrid bear monsters in this movie. You know, there's a Lot of stuff happening.

[A]

Beautiful.

[B]

So, yeah, this is my. My first contact. If. If it'll. If you'll allow it.

[C]

Well, yeah, why not, for sure.

[A]

Sheesh. I'm torn once again. Again, a lot of good movies. Lot of good space movies, guys. Is that.

[B]

What categories do you have to fill?

[A]

I still have Visual Splendor and Wild Card. I'm torn between two things in Visual Splendor, both of which I would really like to have. H. I got to be honest, it didn't occur to me that Doom Part 2 would still be here.

[B]

And it is, because you didn't think it was a space movie or you didn't.

[A]

No, I thought it would be the one that was taken.

[B]

Okay. So,

[A]

I mean,

[D]

you don't have to

[A]

do it riding the sandworm in that movie. The black and white sequence on Getty prime, like, for Visual splendor. Dune Part 2 feels like a pretty damn good pick to me.

[C]

I could see that movie with both of you in two different places. Chris, we need to watch doom part

[A]

2 so I can get the complete

[B]

circle she's all going to do.

[A]

I mean, that sounds great. Pennsylvania. That's a date at an opera house somewhere. This was. You know what? I'm gonna do it. This was ranked really high on my list and still here. So I'm not gonna overthink it. I'm taking Dune Part two in Visual Splendor. You know, in this movie, very memorably, Lisa Nagaiba's like, that's not hope.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

This is a lesson here. Sometimes it's worth it is hope. Because I didn't think Dune Part 2 would be here, and it is.

[D]

You left your heart open.

[A]

Something to think about.

[B]

It's just about Little Water of Life.

[C]

That is a real thinker.

[B]

It's about faith.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Little Water of Life. What do you think?

[B]

Max Crosby needs some Water of Life.

[A]

I have Trey Hendrickson. I'm fine.

[B]

Okay. He's older.

[A]

Didn't have to get rid of two. Didn't have to trade away two first round drafts.

[B]

Your reputation as an NFL franchise is unscathed.

[A]

I did not say that. Nor will you hear me say that. Okay. Doom Part 2 in Visual Splendor. We are back to Rob on the turn. Rob, you have Space Saviors and Wild Card left. Is that correct?

[D]

That is correct.

[C]

I mean, as it should be. We all left our wild card for the last. Yes.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. Although, as we discussed previously, I think there's a lot of movies, like, especially a lot of space comedies that, like, I wouldn't even know where else to put. So I think there's some that even if you want it, like who's sacking

[A]

up and taking Armageddon as their wild guy?

[D]

Well, not.

[A]

I'm just gonna do it.

[D]

I'm start with Space Saviors. And I'm gonna take Armageddon was on

[C]

my Space Saviors list, I will tell you that much right now.

[D]

I mean, you guys same and Space Connections. If you can't trust in the drillers, who can you really trust in? Space Saviors. I'm gonna take the Fifth Element. Wow, I love this movie.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

I fucking love the Fifth Element. If Splendor were broader.

[A]

I'm scrolling down Sorry to 61.

[C]

Okay,

[D]

that's your loss, not mine.

[A]

And you support.

[C]

You support Luc Besson in all of his lifestyle.

[D]

I did not say that. No. I'm separating art from artists, including the opera singer, from being ripped apart by having stones hidden in her stomach. Like, not all decisions made were good. I'm not trying to say that there were. This is an amazing movie. I don't understand the sniveling. What is the argument against the Fifth Element?

[C]

Sniveling?

[B]

Yeah, sniveling.

[D]

I don't think a single person here snivelled. Not a single sniffle.

[C]

There were some jeers. There were jeers for sure, but not sniveling. I like Fifth Element.

[A]

Fun pick. Fun pick.

[D]

That's the most damning thing you've ever said.

[C]

Lilo Dallas. Multiheart.

[A]

Cute story.

[C]

Chicken.

[D]

Good. See, Joe understands.

[C]

It's a fun.

[D]

Joe understands. In Wild Card, I will be taking the Martian.

[A]

God.

[D]

Just an easy crowd pleaser. Much in the. I mean, obviously I think that's going

[A]

to do well in the polling.

[D]

Well, one. One would hope. But like to me, the clearest spiritual Successor to Apollo 13 in terms of like the space as problem solving mechanic. So much lighter, so much pulpier, more like individual character driven. But going to do. I think it captures a lot of that energy in a way that I'm excited about.

[C]

I like the Martian a lot. And we are going to do a Martian episode and I don't want to spoil it, but like, I liked it so much more the first time I saw it than I did in this most recent rewatch. And it perhaps is like because of Project Hail Mary, it's possible that like seeing Project Hail Mary, you're like, oh, this is. You know what I mean? So.

[B]

But part of the Martian you don't like?

[C]

No, I do like it.

[B]

Oh, no, no. I mean. But is there A part of the Martian where you're like on third watch. I can just hit skip 15 seconds maybe.

[A]

Joanna's not you. She doesn't zip through the Hobbit stretches of the Lord of the Rings movies. She watches the movie in full.

[B]

I. I like. I

[A]

doesn't watch that know this about him.

[B]

I don't watch Frodo parts of the Hob of the Hobbit movies.

[D]

You're just like Sam part.

[C]

You skip all the Sam stuff.

[B]

Sam and Gollum like I got It's Aston.

[A]

It's astonishing. I don't know I can let you

[C]

get away with but Sam.

[B]

15 hours. I'm trying to watch Aragorn.

[D]

But then what's at stake?

[B]

You know Aragorn Cut would do numbers if I did it. If I made it.

[D]

I think the original one already did.

[C]

Number Golem. It's coming in 2028.

[A]

Some very exciting. Okay.

[C]

You just said you knew what you were going to do and you bounced and now.

[A]

Cuz I literally bounce. I do know what I'm. I do know what I'm going to say.

[C]

But there are still.

[A]

There are just so many good movies. Should we add a second wild card?

[D]

We'll do some.

[A]

We can't believe this. Let's see. Let me make sure. Yes. Yes, yes. I feel. I thought Chris was gonna take this movie.

[B]

Oh my God. Mal. What is happening? Human soundboard right now.

[D]

You're like full annihilation. Dancing with a metallic version of yourself as you make this.

[C]

Can the social clip be all the noises Mallory made?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If everybody out of context how we talked about.

[C]

Guess which movie Mallory's talking about when she makes this movie.

[D]

Here's the thing. We still don't know.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Train Dreams.

[A]

I love that movie.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Beautiful. Made me cry. I'm taking Gattaca.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

That's my. Wow.

[D]

Is it a space movie?

[A]

Yes, because it goes to space. He literally goes to space at the end. Which is more than happens in some of the other movies that have been taken today. He is on a rocket.

[C]

Have I ever told you my Gattaca connection. Sorry.

[A]

Please tell me.

[C]

Maybe I should let you talk about the movie you're making. No, I want to know.

[A]

Is it about Ethan Hawke? Do you know him? Chris does.

[C]

The Space center is. The Marin Civic center is our Civic center which was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. They just put a sepia filter on it. But that's where I had a mock trial and jury duty and all sort of stuff like that is from the Space center in Gattaca.

[D]

Did you have to brush all the skin cells off you before you walked in?

[C]

I used to do that every day. I love a dry brush.

[A]

Ethan Hawke, one of our greats. One of our shared faves. Uma Thurman. Just same thing. Rude.

[D]

Jude Law.

[C]

Jude Law.

[A]

Same thing. Jerome. Not enough characters named Jerome or Vincent, frankly, in movies.

[D]

You like water.

[A]

There's the sea in this. You know, the swimming.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

How much space is it in?

[A]

The entire movie is about the desperate animating dream to go to space. Vincent feels that he does not belong. He is on a cruel earth where everybody is genetically modified to excel and the idea of predestination and can you forge your own path. We even have your opportunities. You're not even gonna get the chance. Right? And Vincent, it's like, maybe I'll be more at home up there. How could you say it's not a space movie?

[D]

I have an adjacent question. Is October Sky a space movie?

[A]

Why don't you find out? Why don't you try to pick?

[D]

Oh, I'm out of picks.

[A]

See how it goes.

[C]

Here's how many movies in the 90s, was. Was dude Law cast in where they're like, we need a perfect specimen. I was always really mad that they never did a Dorian Gray with Jude Law. Like, Jude Lawn is prime. Dorian Gray.

[A]

Sick.

[C]

I've been perfect. But like, you're Dicky Greenleafs. You're like Gattacas. You're just sort of like, I'm a genetically engineered perfect person.

[B]

He's still doing it.

[C]

Your AI.

[B]

That's his life.

[C]

Gigolo Joe. So good.

[A]

Will anyone take Armageddon with the final couple picks?

[C]

Keep asking that question.

[B]

You could have done it. Well, I only have a wild card left and I want to throw some. Is it my turn?

[A]

It is.

[B]

I just want to throw a light on a lesser known movie, which is Outland, a 1981 movie. Adam likes that Peter Hyams directed, starring Sean Connery. You guys seen this one? Sean Connery plays a space sheriff working on a remote mining colony. And there is a drug that is driving miners crazy.

[D]

Let's go.

[B]

And so he has to bring this drug ring down. And then basically the drug dealers are coming to kill him. And he's like, I'm going to stand up for this mining colony. But there's lots of like. It is ridiculous how good this movie looks. And there is a 4k of it that is mind blowing physical media, boy.

[D]

I mean, I'm going to literally buy it during the course of this podcast.

[B]

That's an incredible, really, really awesome, like, non Bond, non Hammy Connery performance.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Peter Boyle's really awesome in this, and just. It's just sick.

[C]

Love it.

[B]

It's just guys being dudes.

[A]

I am dudes being bro.

[D]

I mean, it's an important subgenre in space. Uh, I'm shocked you didn't take Prometheus at any point in this draft.

[C]

So I. Prometheus is on my list.

[B]

Maybe I can just speak to space horror if I was doing a specific thing. And if. If you don't mind me taking a movie that we, you know, now, a specific thing that I would be horrified at is the moment in Covenant when the xenomorph bursts out of one woman's back.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

But then the other woman has to see it happen, and then Block blows up, you know, so that's like her last experience of humanity is running for her life after watching someone's spine explode, and then she just gets. Have you seen Covenant?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

The fact that it took us that long to get, like. To get to. What if the chest came out the other way?

[B]

Was, like, an embarrassment.

[D]

But it's so good, actually.

[B]

I guess the chest burster came out of a guy's back.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Then cut her up and then. Then the spaceship.

[C]

Yeah. Tough.

[A]

Some loved ones lost.

[C]

But double, double fast bender.

[B]

Yeah, double fast bender. Katherine Waterson.

[D]

A lot of flutes.

[B]

Lot of. Lot of McBride just kind of calling his own number.

[D]

I mean, aren't they all?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I thought you might take Predator at some point today.

[B]

I was thinking about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What if I was about to take Predator?

[A]

You still can, because. No, now anything can be said freely.

[D]

If it bleeds, Joe can pick it.

[A]

You know, one last pick, and it

[C]

could be Armageddon from 1997. It's content, which I genuinely am a little surprised.

[B]

I'm shocked this is still there, I guess. Go ahead. I don't want to start talking before you.

[C]

I think this has also been kind of a generational thing. Like, I think people who are a bit younger than us love Contact and Jodie Foster McConaughey and his other space movie. Great hair in this movie. A really good McConaughey role. They should have sent a poet or a podcaster, and instead they sent Jodie Foster that. It's great.

[B]

Can I ask you a question?

[C]

Yeah, please.

[B]

If you got to the far reaches of space and it was just your dad, would you be disappointed?

[A]

I mean. No, I love my dad, so I've been.

[B]

I'll be honest. I would be I would be like, let's think bigger.

[C]

But it's like a space being wearing the face of your dad. It's a space being wearing the face of the person that you, like, cared about the most that you lost.

[A]

I'll tell you what. I would be disappointed. I would be disappointed not to see my dad's face because my dad is awesome. I would be disappointed that when I got back and I was begging everyone to believe me, I didn't think to say, but check to see if there's 18 hours of static.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We have to hear about that later. I don't like this movie very much. Okay.

[C]

What if it was just David Morse

[A]

waiting, perfect draft until the end?

[B]

I would be like, what have you been up to recently? Because I thought you were like, you're

[C]

really the guy for a minute. You're really the guy for a minute. We read this book, the Carl Sagan novel, in my physics class in high school. And it was like one of the coolest things we ever did. And then the.

[A]

Sounds fun.

[C]

Yeah. And then the movie. I just. I really like this movie a lot.

[B]

Very cool movie.

[A]

It's okay.

[D]

I'm a little mystified as you were explaining Chris, how disappointed you might be to see your dad at the Edge of Space. That that exact plot is like six different movies.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[D]

Like, how many times have we done get to the Edge of Space? It's supposed to be your dad.

[C]

That Astra is the movie that I, out of self care, bailed out of early. I had never seen it, but did you ever.

[D]

You missed out.

[A]

I did not.

[C]

I saw the Rage Monkeys and I was kind of done. But did you ever read the Karen Hahn storyline that you wrote for Polygon, which was Brad Astra, sad Astro about his dad. Astra. That's just like what I think of every single time I think about AD Astro.

[B]

You know, this sucks. What?

[D]

Yeah, you just don't. You just don't want to be sad enough with your dad. Enough. That's what it's all about.

[C]

I mean, to be fair, I did not get to Tommy Lee Jones beyond,

[B]

like a silent moon rover.

[D]

Or is it Mars Rover?

[C]

Move that too.

[A]

Either of you could have selected this film and you didn't.

[D]

I'm here to honorably mention many films.

[A]

Okay, let's. So nobody took the right stuff. Are we surprised? I'm surprised a little bit.

[B]

I think that that is really Space Race. It's space race.

[A]

3 hours and 13 minutes of space Race.

[B]

And it's Too long getting a stick of gum.

[A]

It would be a right at the right time. I mean, it obviously subsequently has been a television show, but this is like. This is why 8 episode prestige TV.

[B]

Do you think Sam Shepard is hot in that movie?

[C]

Sam Shepard is always hot, actually.

[A]

I'm so glad you said this. I almost texted you this the other night when I was revisiting this film. Not only does he look great. Am I crazy that you're not able to participate in this because you're not watching Survivor? Does he not look exactly like Coach in that movie? Exactly like Coach.

[B]

The reverse Coach wishes.

[C]

Coach wishes he looked like any Aaron.

[A]

Sam Shepard I can think about.

[C]

Oh, my God. Sam Shepard is very important.

[A]

The Ed Harris orbits when he's like the fireflies. The fireflies. Oh, my God, the fireflies. That's. That's so great. Yeah, that's great. That part of the movie.

[B]

Right. Stuff's great.

[C]

Nobody picked our head in Ed Harris, big space movie guy.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Huge space movie guy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

No one put Gravity, not Ed Harris in that movie.

[B]

I've never rewatched Gravity.

[C]

I rewatched it for this.

[A]

How did it hold up? How did it hold up? I saw it in the theaters when it came out. I haven't revisited it.

[C]

I loved it in theaters. And it was interesting thinking about both the Martian and Gravity. Those are movies. Here's the thing about space movies, guys. I'm here to say at the end of the draft, I think it really helps to see it in the theater with, like, a group of people and be sort of enveloped by the visual splendor or the wonder or the fear of space gravity. I remember being this, like, incredibly electrifying experience. And even though I have, like a big screen to watch it on at home, it just like, wasn't the same to watch it. Also, I sent you guys this video of an astronaut for Vanity Fair. Like, critiqued space movies. You ripped Gravity apart. He was. Was like, that movie sucks.

[D]

And that's what Governor picks today. You're like the astronaut guy on YouTube said, the star child is real. Therefore 2001, first movie.

[C]

He does love 2001 as they saw to see.

[A]

There you go.

[C]

He loves the sequence in 2001 where they walk around with Velcro on the soles of their feet.

[D]

Okay, fair enough.

[C]

That's really fun.

[A]

There are a few other movies that we should all throw out, but I do think we have to acknowledge the elephant in the spaceship. People are going to be mad that nobody picked a Star Trek movie. Nobody picked a Star Trek.

[B]

I'm not a huge Star Trek movie.

[C]

I was going to be the one entirely.

[A]

I thought you were going to pick. I was kind of planning on you to pick a Star Trek movie.

[C]

I'm not. I mean, Wrath of Khan is obviously, you know, whatever, but I'm not pitching to get like the popular vote here necessarily. That being said, Star Trek tanks on every poll I've ever put it on. Any, any voting thing I've ever put Star Trek on. They're just not simply not enough Trekkies who are listening to the ringer dot com.

[B]

I think also because, like, they're, they're, they've been kind of like moved to Paramount plus, you know what I mean? Like, they're kind of like, that's where a lot of that stuff happened. It's been a while since there's been a movie. I don't know if the.

[A]

Those.

[B]

I wouldn't say that. I was just going to say I don't know if those movies have aged great, but I haven't watched them in a while. I was just never much of a truck guy.

[A]

Yeah, drag him, Trekkies. Drag him.

[B]

Please don't.

[A]

Nobody picked either Solaris. I thought for sure.

[C]

I watched Solaris for the first time this weekend and I like, genuinely kind of loved it. 72 or 1.

[A]

I thought for sure I almost picked it.

[C]

I, I like, I had heard such bad things about it. Like, I remember when it came out, either because people loved the original Russian version or whatever, it had a really bad rap, or I actually think it was like, tremendously mismarketed, but Space Mad Jeremy Davies, like, in terms of, like, who plays space mad the best? Jeremy Davies does.

[A]

No surprise.

[C]

I love him so much. And I was like, so. And then Viola Davis is great in that movie.

[A]

So if everybody, if you had taken Solaris, would you have picked the original or the Soda Burgrime?

[B]

I would probably have picked the original, but not. I would have picked the original, but I was one of those people who's like, this is not what I was told I was gonna get when Solaris came out.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

I have a couple honorable mentions from my childhood. Let's hear em.

[C]

Flight of the Navigator.

[B]

Well, last Starfighter. Yeah, Last Starfighter, Dark Star, John Carpenter's first movie, the Black Hole, the Disney movie, and Silent Running. And then just as far as, as space horror goes, I had Ghost of Mars, another Carpenter movie with Ice Cube and Natasha Henstridge.

[C]

No species. No species on the list.

[B]

A more recent one, Pandorum, with Ben Foster. And Dennis Quaid, where they wake up from hypersleep and have amnesia, but they're also being attacked by something.

[D]

See, that sounds great.

[C]

That does sound good.

[D]

I love a wake up from hypersleep. I feel like the movie Passengers could have been very good, but they're afraid to let Christmas be an asshole.

[C]

Incredibly bad.

[D]

That's the thing. They just pop out and everything. That could have been good. But I do think there's a lot of ground earthbound space horror that we did not get to like. Nope. Under the Skin signs were the worlds like. Those are. Those are bangers as far as I'm concerned.

[C]

I love District 9.

[B]

I love under the Skin.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Independence.

[C]

Nobody did Guardians of the Galaxy on a. Nobody on a house of our draft. Nor Thor, Ragnarok, Stargate. I love Stargate. And Starman.

[B]

Yeah, that was a good one.

[D]

Can we say the name Serenity also?

[A]

Absolutely. It was on my list.

[D]

I saw it before I saw Firefly and I was like, I want more of that. Like, give me.

[C]

I think it's better than Firefly.

[D]

I think it's a phenomenal distillation of what makes Firefly so good.

[B]

Guys, ever see Pitch Black?

[D]

Love pitch black.

[A]

I love Pitch black.

[D]

Yeah, it's really good.

[C]

I saw that freshman year of college. Like blew my mind. Plus, that was like. Well, no, but Viny's the world blind.

[B]

Doesn't really do that to his own eyes. Like, doesn't he make himself blind? Or did he get blinded because he's like a prisoner on the planet? Why is he able to see rdc? Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I don't.

[D]

It's a great question.

[C]

Maybe we should watch the Chronicles of Riddick to remind ourselves what happened to him.

[A]

Adam would be thrilled.

[D]

We need to watch the Chronicles of Riddick.

[A]

Starship Troopers.

[D]

Starship Troopers.

[A]

Nobody takes Starship Spaceballs.

[D]

I just couldn't really.

[B]

I couldn't really decide where I wanted to put Starship Troopers.

[D]

Is that a First Contact movie?

[C]

If I had not picked Galaxy Quest, I would have had Spaceballs on my list. But I just wanted to be like one. Space comedy Is.

[B]

Is Starship Troopers First Contact? I know.

[C]

Don't.

[D]

I don't know. It's like. It's so.

[C]

They've been like waging a war with the boat.

[A]

You could have done Space Connections or Savior. Cuz it's a mission.

[C]

Yeah, it's a mission. Or Wild Card.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. It's wonderful.

[A]

Flash Gordon.

[B]

Forbidden Planet Y. I had two First Contact ones. Attack the Block.

[C]

Yes. I love Attack the Block.

[B]

Amazing. Vast Of Night, which is an indie from, like 2019. It's really good.

[D]

I think attack the block as far as, like, creature design again, glowing teeth is just so great. What else do we miss? Total Recall.

[B]

Rogue One for Visual Splendor.

[A]

For sure.

[C]

Mission Tomorrow. What's the Last Jedi question? I felt like. I think it's fine that two Star wars were played. Obviously, you guys did a great job. I was just.

[D]

Thank you, Joe.

[C]

If I. You're welcome. If I had, I probably would have picked Last Jedi for Visual Splendor.

[D]

Also, Space Connections.

[C]

There is a binary sunset in that one as well.

[D]

Well, but it's a Parts and Operations.

[B]

It's a remixed binary movie's draft.

[A]

Crate.

[D]

Come on, love Crate.

[B]

Is there space?

[A]

Jim, this is.

[B]

This is just us talking. Just us gals talking.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How high up would you put Battlestar Galactica, the TV show, in this?

[A]

I consider taking it in the first round.

[C]

These two are huge. Galactica.

[A]

It would not have gotten past the second. Past us in the second. I assure you. If TV shows have been probably the

[B]

best aerial combat in space. So.

[A]

Good question.

[C]

The dark fights.

[A]

Yeah. Remember the Adama maneuver went down to New Caprica. Fucking unbelievable.

[C]

We did it.

[A]

Did we do it? I think so.

[C]

Mission to Mars.

[D]

That's a lot.

[A]

We talked about some of the movies. We're surprised didn't get picked some honorable mentions. Here are our respective squads. Does everyone want to run through their picks very quickly as we remind people to vote. Vote for your favorite spacecraft. But you know what? We all won because we got to watch all these movies.

[B]

I can't see mine, so you may have to read mine.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I kind of know what I have,

[A]

but, Joe, why don't you take us through? Because you had the first pick first. And then I'll read Chris's.

[C]

I can definitely read mine as well. It's definitely 2001 A Space Odyssey in Visual Splendor. It's definitely Close Encounters of the Third Kind in First Contact, it's definitely Doom Part 1 in Space Saviors. It's definitely Moon in Space Horror. And then it's Galaxy Quest in Probably Space Connections, We Might Guess. And then Contact and Wildcard.

[B]

That's right. I had Interstellar and visual splendor, Apollo 13 in space saviors, Event Horizon. Horizon in Space Horror. Sunshine Sunshine, Space Connections, Annihilation in First Contact. And Wild Card. I took Outland.

[A]

I took Alien in Space Horror, Empire Strikes Back in Space Saviors. ET In First Contact, Wall E in Space Connection, Student Part Two in Visual Splendor. And Gattaca in Wild Card.

[B]

And you like vanilla ice cream. And your favorite color is blue.

[A]

My favorite color is green. I do like vanilla.

[C]

Like, why don't you say you basic. Nothing wrong with that.

[A]

Those are great movies, all of them. I feel great.

[D]

I Took A New Hope in Visual Splendor. Aliens in Space Connections. The Thing in Space. Horror Arrival and First Contact. The Fifth Element. I will Defend its honor in Space Savior. And the Martian in Wildcard.

[A]

Great stuff. This was fun. Chris, Rob, thank you for joining us for this base.

[B]

I got 20 minutes to spare. You got anything else on your mind?

[D]

What do you want?

[A]

What? You tell us. You're watching the World Baseball Classic. What do you know? Got our Henderson head of home Survivor Chat. Yeah, I mean, it'll be outdated as soon as it goes up because there's a new episode tonight.

[D]

It's a nice little time capsule.

[B]

It's. It's too much. It's too much. With Top Chef being back at this level that Top Chef is back at and Survivor being this good, it's just

[A]

Survivor's the thing I care the most about every week. I'm already panicked that I'm not going to get to it tonight because of Martian prep for tomorrow, and then I'll be spoiled and I'll be despondent. I don't want to be spoiled a single week.

[C]

What if we just watch it tonight and just.

[A]

You.

[C]

You've already watched the Martian.

[B]

I've seen the Martian enough.

[A]

You just rewatched it watching it mere days ago, so you're Survivor.

[C]

You've seen our outline for the Martian. It's a very weird one. So I feel like we can do a.

[A]

We'll make.

[C]

Should I just come over and watch Survivor at your house?

[B]

Amanda's doing the pod with you, right?

[C]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

I don't think Amanda's gonna be like, actually, Mallory, that's not how you get opiates into potatoes. You know, like, just grind it.

[A]

Kind of like it, and you go like this and you take a giant bite. Seemed delicious. This was wonderful.

[C]

I don't agree. I believe I could probably taste better.

[D]

That's what the ketchup is for, though.

[C]

No, he's out of ketchup. He's doing the Vicodin.

[D]

I think it'd still come out okay.

[C]

I'm so angry at how quickly he goes to that ketchup. We'll talk about it.

[A]

Would you grow potatoes in your own poop?

[B]

I mean, I don't think I'd have much of a choice Right.

[D]

I mean, welcome.

[B]

The question is, would I be able to, like, just be able to follow instructions to do so? No, I would not.

[A]

Well, he's a botanist, so he's able to come up all on his own. You'd be fucked. We'll miss you.

[C]

What a way to end this podcast.

[A]

At least we have the content that you mean.

[C]

Who's going to win Survivor 50?

[B]

I think it's too early to say. I want to see. Here's what I'm looking for. Will this be an outlier season where physical like. Like a. A physical player might rise? Have these guys who have done challenge beasts, are they like, okay, I got the message. I was bad at the social game. Let me come up with.

[C]

Are you talking about how Jonathan was trading with Boston Rob?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

To try to beef up his.

[B]

I thought that was interesting. And I just think that those guys, every time I see them, I'm like, you're. You guys are going to be great for six weeks and you're going to get smoked.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They're going to use you to get campfire stuff and then they're going to

[C]

take you out, provide for us, and then get out of here. Protect us from elimination. Then get out of here.

[B]

Win tarps and you're out.

[A]

Mallory, Azie being like, I know. I'm really, like, thinking about strategy now is.

[B]

You don't think so.

[C]

Not doing a great job. Sierra, follow up. How much have you been feeling your own mortality? Every time A's like, ow, my back. Or coach gets, like, stranded in the ocean.

[A]

The ocean like, col's like, I can't

[C]

hear out of this year.

[B]

It's tough. I feel like I probably take better care of myself on the whole because I don't put myself through Survivor.

[C]

Yeah, fair.

[A]

Gym class at five.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

Gym class at five.

[B]

Yeah, gym class.

[A]

I don't go to the gym.

[D]

Dodgeball. Dodgeball.

[B]

A bunch of other guys.

[D]

Honestly sounds sick, but it is.

[B]

It's tough. It's tough. I think it comes for all of us.

[A]

I love it. It's like one of my favorite parts of the season so far. My actual favorite part is watching Christian because he's riveting. TV and your favorite player didn't win.

[C]

But I was talking to Becca at HR the other day and we just talked about how great Christian is for the entire meeting.

[A]

Mesmerizing to watch. Colby being like, here's the thing. You need to know if we're going to be in an alliance. I can't hear. And then later like, being like, I can't see, and then later being like, I don't have the mental acuity to figure this out is. I just. He was the poster boy for, like, Captain America. I just think it's great. It's a great way to feel how long Survivor has been in our lives and what it means for time to pass to the same people. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. He carried that snake, man. He carried that snake.

[C]

So did Savannah. It didn't help her.

[D]

He sure did carry that snake.

[A]

You're missing out.

[C]

This is like, when people talk about sports around, it really feels like it.

[D]

It really feels like it.

[A]

Survivor is sports.

[D]

Is it?

[A]

Sure, yeah, in a way, in a fashion. I mean, they have the challenges, but it's also the sport of seeking to destroy your fellow man.

[C]

Mallory, do you want to say on camera who we've chosen as our number one pick in our pool or should we keep it a secret?

[A]

What do you think?

[C]

Do you want to not be able to.

[D]

No.

[A]

I don't know. I don't care about. But there's like a mid season reset possibility.

[C]

Oh, that's true.

[A]

Maybe at that point.

[B]

Are you current on the Pit?

[A]

Well, I haven't seen whatever goes up tonight. Tonight or tomorrow.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm current through last week.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

How are you feeling about Sean Hadesy in general?

[A]

Great. Wonderful.

[B]

I don't like Sean Hadassey on a minutes limit.

[A]

Yeah, I thought he was. I had been led to believe he would be more. More present this season than he had certainly was for the first few episodes, but obviously the last couple more prominent.

[B]

There's only room for one big doc, you know, they can't have.

[C]

Well, this is a question. This is a thought experiment Rob and I were having. We were talking, talking about the Pit, which is like, what if Robbie isn't the head doctor next season and Noah Wylie gets to take a nap? You know what I mean? Is the pit stop.

[B]

So there's that's brewing, right? That's out there.

[C]

That.

[B]

That is which direction this is going. But I'm like, Noah Wiley spent like 25 years in the desert.

[D]

He did like, is he really like.

[C]

I feel like he's not. I don't think he's gonna leave. I feel like he takes a season off. Just a season off. Or like. Or like it shows up right at the end or something like that.

[D]

He's not going to make the librarians for.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And he's more present behind the scenes, perhaps, and he gets to, like, sustain some maths.

[A]

But who will use all of the hand sanitizer?

[B]

Everyone.

[A]

Nobody does it as much as him. I'm like, I feel so seen. There's only one person alive who uses more Purell than me and it's doctor.

[D]

He puts a lot of relish on it though. I feel like you could judge up your sanitation game, get on Robbie's level.

[A]

Give me time.

[C]

I have some gloves if you need to borrow them.

[A]

I know you guys do okay.

[B]

Thanks for having me.

[A]

Thanks for joining us.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

Christopher. Robert, it's been a pleasure. Just a joy and a thrill. Look forward to being invited on your podcast at some point.

[C]

You know you've never just on the watch like literally days ago.

[A]

We drinking beers. We drinking beers. Watch shortsy if you haven't watched all of these wonderful space movies. If you haven't. And vote on the Ringerverse, Instagram, the Ringerverse, Twitter, the Ringerverse, YouTube and the Spotify episode page for this very podcast. We will see you Tuesday of next week for the Martian Revisited with Amanda Dobbins. We will see you before that for the Verseys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we'll see you for project Hail Mary. Goodbye by.

[D]

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