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What Do a Football Coach and a Sports Talk Show Host Have to Say About NYC vs Philly Pizza? | Ep. 12
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Coach Matt Rule
Would you do me a favor? Would you say, welcome to House Rules? That's the name of the podcast. Welcome to House Rules in German.
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European Football Player
We're coming by Haus von Rule. That's it. Pretty much it.
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Coach Matt Rule
Awesome. You could have said a lot of things there and could have got me in a lot of trouble. Until next time, welcome to House Rules.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
Express your bears. House rules, baby. I want to start with our toast like we always do, thanks to our friends at Outlaw Beer. And this goes out to you. All right. What I saw in your news conference, what I saw you Saturday night and the message that you conveyed as a parent, as a football fan, it was beautiful what you did for those kids, looking out for Dylan, having TJ's back. You always speak from the heart, but I think we all felt it.
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Coach Matt Rule
Wow. Thank you. Cheers to you and my friend. No, you know, I think leaders as leaders. It's easy to be a leader when you're in a great moment, right when you beat Northwestern and you're excited and you're happy, when there's this pale of disappointment over everyone. Everyone left their heart and soul on the field. And then you had, you know, a bad break here. You know, you lost your starting quarterback, and you put a freshman in there, and he goes out there and he battles and fights. It's like you want to make sure your team knows that you're for them. You know, what better thing can we say to our people that we love that, hey, I'm for you. And that, you know, that's kind of the place that we're in right now, man. It's like, you know, our seasons changed a little bit. We had a tough loss, ranked up. I mean, it was one of the most amazing atmospheres I've ever been a part of in my life. It was. It was unlike anything I've ever seen. And I felt like we were in great position and it just kind of, you know, it got away from us. And so you can be disappointed, you can be mad, but you better stay committed to us and better committed to the brotherhood that we have. And so I think that starts with us as the adults, as the leaders, as the coaches. And then when you see your players do it, then you say to yourself, you know what? We're doing the right things.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
You're talking about an SC team that just goes up and down the field on everybody, right? Like, they don't get held down. Say whatever you want about that program. That offense is legit. And you got from the. The moment of kickoff, throughout that game Those kids battle, battle. They played so hard. They played smart. There was an incredible passion. As a Husker fan and a football fan, I feel great. Listen, we all. It's about zero sum. We get it. I feel great about that effort. I just saw an effort that was championship effort.
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Coach Matt Rule
Yeah. I think two things can be true. A, you can say the standard is a standard and, you know, we need to score more points than the other team and we never want to walk away from that. At the same time, we also talk here a lot about, you know, what does the tape say? And in terms of our effort and physicality and all the things that we're trying to teach, it was by far, by far the best that we've done. So, yeah, two things can be true. It wasn't good enough. We have to continue to work and get better. Yet at the same time, there is no doubt, there is no doubt that the things we're asking the guys to do are getting better and better and better. SC is a great offense. You know, we held them to 21 points. That's the lowest they've been held to. Held them to 337 yards. It's the lowest in some time. We held them. Passing wise is the lowest they've had in 83 games. But we needed to make one more play. And so we can come out here and say to ourselves, all right, these things we're doing, we're getting better. They're working. At the same time, I've got to double down on it. I've got to do more. And that's. That's hard. That's hard for guys when they're at the end of the, you know, beat up there. At the end of the year, they're disappointed in all those different things. But, you know, that's what sports does for you. It teaches you how to handle success and adversity and always say, what's next? And if you can do that, then you become. You become the man or woman, but in this case in football, the man that you're supposed to be. And so it transcends just the sport. Though that doesn't mean we're saying it's okay to lose. I can tell you we are. We are upset about it. We are bound and determined to rectify.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
It before we move on. There's a bunch of things I got to go over with you. First we got to talk about the quarterbacks, right? Because the next morning, I almost want to be a fly on the wall when you find out that Dylan actually has a Fracture.
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Coach Matt Rule
Right.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
Like, we all thought it was a sprain. He's next to you, pleading to come back in the game. And the, the care and love that I saw from you was, listen, I. I care too much about you to put you in any kind of peril. And then it turns out he's got a fractured ankle.
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Coach Matt Rule
Yeah. You know, he's such a competitor. Dylan wanted to play, he wanted to go. He, He. Not that. And he, he trusted and believes in tj, but he, you know, he, He. He wants to be out there for his guys. And to your point, we thought it was just a sprain. It was kind of. It wasn't even a high angle sprain. I thought it would be like a low angle sprain maybe at the time. And so he wanted to go, but at the end of the day, you can't go out there if you can't defend yourself, if you can't run, if you can't do those things. And I didn't want that to be anything worse. And I just told him, I said, hey, I love you too much to put you back in there. I know you're disappointed, but this is what's best for you. It was really cool to see his teammates rally around him. Every single guy, I walk up to him, hug him. I mean, I think, you know, sometimes it shows up in adversity how much people want to come to your side and want to be there for you and want to be resilient for you. And, you know, he found out the terrible news after the game. I mean, I literally got home, got a text, and my daughter walked in, because my daughter saw him after he just got the news and told me, and I was shocked, absolutely shocked. But he's one of the best. And I think that, you know, this will give him a chance to watch because he hasn't had a chance to watch. He's been the starter since he got here. He'll be the starter for a long time in the NFL. And sometimes you learn a lot by watching, you know, without the pressure of, I need to make this throw. And even this week at practice, you know, seeing him out there with, with tj, it'll make him better. It'll. It'll give him a chance to learn a lot. And it's TJ's time now, and we're excited for him and give him a great opportunity.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
I don't think what people understand too, that, like, we all have the advantage of watching on television or in the stadium and. But this things happen in real time. Like you know, this is real stuff that happens in real time, that decisions have to be made right then and there. Like you got to live through, you got to work through it. And I think that's the thing that really stood out to me is that in a time of crisis, in a time of adversity, that you guys from a staff, through your players reacted that way. It's easy to talk about in theory. Right. It's easy to go textbook on you. But to actually have it happen in real time and to answer the bell the way everyone did, I just thought that was, that was impressive.
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Coach Matt Rule
Yeah, I mean, I thought that was two good football teams out there. You know, we, we battled, we came back after they caught up, we came back and took the lead. And credit to them, they made the plays they had to make and they went down and they scored, you know, and then we got the ball back and had a chance to go down in two minute and they just, you know, they made one more play than we made. And that's what's great about the Big Ten, that's what's great about Saturday Night Football on NBC is you're going to see two teams who really want to win in an unbelievable environment, a cold weather game, teams battling. It was physical, it was hard nosed, it was, it was what football's supposed to be. And um, I was proud of our effort. I'm sure they were proud of their effort. It was, it was two, two, two teams that wanted to win.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
So the, the backstory of the blackout was, is incredible. I mean, just, it looks so cool, like the energy, like it was, it was, it just popped. Like it was one of the greatest things. I love it. Right? Like, I think every football fan loves that. First time, I guess was five times in the history of the program. First time since 2020. What, what was it like? Give us the vibe of it, like, of that whole blackout and what it was like.
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Coach Matt Rule
I think the cool thing was the buy in from the fans, right? Like just you saw everyone in black and so it brought it to life. It was a night game. We have our light show, we have all the cool things that we do. It just everything was alive. We painted the field black and it's disappointing when you do all that and you lose. But as you talk about sowing seeds, you know, for the future, it's like, I mean, the recruits that were there, just blown away, blown away by the atmosphere. People asking me already, fans, hey, hey, are we going to do this again next year? Like, can we do this every year? You know, it's not our brand, but it can be part of our brand. It can be a special thing that we do. And we got a call last night from a big time recruit say, hey, coach, I'm coming. And it's just, you know, just even despite losing the game, it's like, you know, what they see, the progress, they see what we're going to be on the football field. And they also see, really one of the, that was one of the greatest environments in college sports. And, you know, we do it all the time in different ways. It was cool to do it in a blackout type of a way.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
When football, when it's the, when it's at its apex, it inspires the senses, like your senses come alive. And that's what it felt like Saturday night.
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Coach Matt Rule
I have a great friend who always says before every game, he's like, hey, all five senses. You know, be locked in, you know, just, just be, be in the moment. And, you know, that's what it was. It was, like I said, it was an amazing atmosphere with two, two great football teams and, you know, all the, all the dramatic arcs you know, that happened in the game. You know, you lose Dylan, TJ comes in, this happens. But lose the left tackle. It was amazing theater, amazing entertainment. Then, you know, afterwards, you have to pick up the pieces on our end, right? You're devastated that you lost, disappointed in the outcome, and, and you have to come back the next day and just go right back to work. And that's so hard to do. But it's what makes, it's what makes young people who play this game, if they do do it, it's what makes them special. It's why they run companies someday and do amazing things. Because, you know, life isn't about how you feel. It's about the standards you have for yourself. And so far this week, our team has, our team has done that.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
Take us through the moment. TJ's gonna go in. And what, what's the conversation with TJ?
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Coach Matt Rule
Yeah, I mean, they just was like, hey, you're up. I mean, he's just a gamer, man. Like, he's, he, he doesn't. Never gets too high, never gets too low. He's an unbelievable kid, comes from a great family. He's played a lot of big time football in high school and so played a couple games early and it was like, hey, hey, buddy, you're up. You know, and, and you know, some of the things that he brings to the table in terms of, you know, a little bit more dual threat, you Know, tried to emphasize a couple of those. They didn't give him a ton of chances to run it, you know, in terms of the defense, the way they played them, but just trying to get him out there, get him settled early and then. And then give him opportunities to go win the game. And it's a really hard moment to go into. And I thought the moment wasn't too big for him, which is great for him. You know, he can be disappointed about the result, but he has to be encouraged about where he is and where his ceiling, you know, where his future is going to be. So, you know, now he has a week. He has a week to go out there and get all the reps and watch all the tape and. And figure out what he's comfortable with and the coaches can tailor it around him. And I have unbelievable, unbelievable confidence in him and who he is.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
How do you heal a team when something traumatic happens like that, and it's. It's not just about the player or even the player's replacement, but the team itself.
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Coach Matt Rule
Right.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
Feels it and suffers it. How do you go about the healing process with that?
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Coach Matt Rule
You know, I think, you know, there's. There's obviously the disappointment of losing the game, and there's. You have to deal with that then losing a guy that you care about, you know, no matter who it is, at whatever position, but certainly when it's your quarterback that has an impact on the guys on the team. I think the biggest thing we try to do is just come together, like, literally be together, you know, come in, have meetings on Sunday, be around each other, be honest, be vulnerable. You know, tell the truth about what happened in the game, what we did. You know, I started the meeting off with things I wish I could have done better. As you move forward, like, what an opportunity for a team to show what a great team they can be. What an opportunity for our coaching staff to show what great coaches they can be. What an opportunity for our team leaders to show what great leaders they can be. And so I feel like when you lose your starting quarterback and you put in the backup, especially when he's a true freshman making his first start going back home to la, what you don't want is him to feel like he has to do this. We just need him to do this. But, you know, what everyone else has to do is they have to grab that rope along with him and just remove some of the friction, remove some of the stress on him. So this week has been about what kind of teammates can we be? And that's not just the players. That's the coaches, staff, everyone. Let's all be great teammates. Let's all pick up the slack for each other. I just truly believe that when you're on a mission for others, you're always going to have a chance to be successful. And so I'm excited to see our team come together. You know, through adversity comes great opportunities. And, you know, this is. This is an opportunity for tj, but it's also an opportunity for every single other member of our team.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
You know what stood out during your news conference? Not to be redundant, but I kind of want to dive a little into it, which is the love that you have for. For these kids. Like, when I'm watching you, like, that is as real as it gets. This notion of, I love you here, I love my players, but I felt it watching you. Like everybody to watch that news conference who watched you during that game, felt the love that you have for your players. And the idea, like this idea of, you know, you said it before, when people are asking about other jobs and whatever, I fell in love with coaching. I felt I love this team. You've said it quite a few times about loving this team. What. What is that? Can you quantify that?
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Coach Matt Rule
I think lots of coaches say they love their players and they love their players when they. When they perform for them. You know, I think the best coaches have something much, much greater, much greater purpose, and that's to impact and influence people's lives. And, you know, you think it back to, like, when we were coming up and coaching, and there wasn't a lot of money in coaching, right? So you did it because you, A, you loved the game. B, you loved working with young people. And, you know, along the way, somewhere, like, you know, coaches, it's become a little bit more professionalized. And at the same time, also, we've called them vilified coaches. Like, you know, I don't. That coach doesn't like my kid. Duh, duh, duh. And it's just, you know. Cause there's a lot of pressure in these jobs, right? Like, there's a lot of pressure to call plays, a lot of pressure to be a DC and when you wake up every day in the midst of that pressure, you know, and you say to yourself, I am here for these guys, changes everything. Because you think about it, like, I. Okay, I feel pressure this week. Dana feels pressure this week. But what does T.J. feel? You know, what is. What is someone on defense feel? Well, can I go be there for them? And when you start living your life to support other people. You live a much, much, much more fulfilling life. You know, I tell our players sometimes, like, if you're selfish right now, and it's always about you, you, you, you, you, then someday you'll just have you, you'll be alone. When your life is about others, your family, your wife, your kids, your girlfriend, your friends, when you're always giving back to others, guess what? Someday you'll have others giving back to you. I had to learn that when I was younger, the hard way. You know, I had some times in coaching where I was like this and I was like this. I was lucky. My dad, my uncle, they were great coaches and they was always about the players. When it's always about the players, you're excited when they have triumphs. You're crushed for them when they're crushed. And at the end of the day, though, you're always pushing them to be their best. And so that's why I got into coaching. And it's something for me that as I've come back into college and I've been here at Nebraska, we talked about it last week, just the joy that working with these guys has brought to me. And I want to make sure that I'm there for them in their good and their bad moments.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
We talk a lot about the ever changing face of college football on the show, and obviously it's completely different, but they, they want to go to a place where I think they feel nurtured, that they feel ultimately right. Like, you know, there's a salary cap in every university, but I think the nurturing aspect of it still matters, the connection, the fact that the kid and not every place is going to have the same vibe, but the kid has to feel it to and I think needs it to succeed.
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Coach Matt Rule
Yeah, I'm sure it's different for every kid, but I think what I think you see a lot of young men who go to one place for one reason and then they leave, you know, at the other day. We all, you know, we all have, you know, the higher, what do they call it, Maslov's hierarchy of needs. Like, we need to feel safe, we need to feel secure. You know, we need these things. And so when you go someplace that's, that is nurturing and developing and you feel yourself getting better, I think it makes you feel powerful when you go to a place that only cares about your performance and that's it, that can be hollow. And so my goal has always been, you know, I think kids go through recruiting, they're Always thinking about, best case scenario, I'm going to go here, I'm going to do this, I'm going to get my. I'm going to start as a freshman, I'm leaving three years and then you go off to college and everyone's kind of on that timeline. Well, sometimes you get hurt, sometimes you're a late bloomer, sometimes you just got a good player in front of you. Sometimes it takes your homestead, whatever, which school, which coaching staff, which people are going to be there for you in your time of need. You know, everyone's there when you're successful, who's going to be there when you're not successful, who's going to be there in those dark rooms hugging you or pushing you or helping you. And so I know, I think about, for me, my kids in my life, they will, I hope Julie and I have a tremendous impact on them. But they'll be so impacted by the people who are around them. And I want the people who are around my kids to see them for what they can be, not what they're not. And I want them to also pick them up, pick them up when they're down now, not lift them up. I want them to help them get up. I want my kids to learn how to get up, but I want someone to guide them. And so if that's the things that we want for our kids, we should probably do the same for other people's kids. And I just hope as people pick schools and recruiting, you know, the helmet, the jersey, the nil check, those things are important, but they only go so far because you know what, they can cut your check and you know what, the head coach can leave or, you know, there could be changes, you better be somewhere where the people really, really actually care about you. Because if you haven't seen adversity yet, I tell our guys all the time, if you haven't been to a dark place yet, you will. And if you've been to one, you'll probably be in another one. And I know when I'm going to be in my next dark place. I know that I can always pick up the phone and call this person, this person. I know I can call you cuz because the people, people that care about you are going to pull you through it. And so I then owe it to others and my players and our staff and all that in a dark time to try to pull them through. Dylan, as he goes through the rehab process, he'll be in some dark times at times. Pull him through and be there for him and that's, that's, that's a special, special, special vocation. It seems like every day I get a text from someone asking where they can get the best deal on Huskers tickets. That's why I'm giving the sponsor of today's episode, SeatGeek, a huge shout out. With over 35 million downloads, SeatGeek is the number one rated ticketing app. There are more than 70,000 events listed on SeatGeek, including concerts, sports festivals, and more. There's the NFL, NBA, and of course, college football. Besides basketball, just remember, you can get your Iowa at Nebraska tickets on SeatGeek. SeatGeek is the official ticket marketplace of Nebraska athletics. All Nebraska Tickets on SeatGeek are authentic and secure. I love using SeatGeek. In fact, coming up here soon, we have Riley Greene coming to town, Eric Church coming to town, Trans Siberian Orchestra getting ready for the Christmas time. But one thing I didn't even think about, Wicked is coming to Omaha Broadway shows right here on SeatGeek. I know my kids are gonna be excited. SeatGeek has your back. Each ticket is rated on a scale of 1 to 10, so you know you're getting a good deal. So look for the green dots. Green means good, red means bad. Plus, every ticket is backed by their buyer guarantee. And of course, I have a code for you guys. You can use code Rule10 for 10% off your next set of tickets at SeatGeek. That's 10% off any tickets with promo code Rule10. Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app and have the code automatically added to your account so you can use it later. Thank you, seatgeek. Welcome to another edition of Office hours with Dave.
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European Football Player
What's up, guys?
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Coach Matt Rule
All right, so tell us, tell us, tell us about your journey, man. Tell us how you ended up here at the University of Nebraska.
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European Football Player
Well, 2023, back in Germany, I made a decision. I want to play big power four college football. And I started preparing myself for recruiting camps in Texas in the following summer, 2024. So I went there with with a bunch of European guys, great guys, shout out to Agran Imports who are organizing all that and helping us out with all that. And in a camp in Houston, I. I met the coaching staff of the Huskers. And after the second camp down there in Texas, I got offered and I committed right on the spot.
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Coach Matt Rule
How has, how has your adaptation A, to living in America and then B, learning, you know, football at this level. How is it going for you so far?
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European Football Player
Pretty well. It took me A little bit adjusting to the culture. It is a little bit different than it is back home, but the Nebraskans are very, very friendly, the guys here on campus. And I think we have a team with guys that are so welcoming and they showed me around right away, football wise. I just put my head down to work, you know, and with coach tb, he's. He's a great coach, teaching me everything I need to know and yeah, adjust him very well.
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Coach Matt Rule
And you're starting to get on the field, you're starting to play. What do you see, like the next steps that you need to conquer for yourself as a player?
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European Football Player
I think I got the size and I got the strength. I think it's. I need to get more the mindset, the defensive line player. I need to be more like, more like the freak that we need on the line. You know, shedding off blocks, getting in there, making the tackle. That's pretty much what I'm working on right now.
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Coach Matt Rule
If you could have one thing to eat from back home right now, what would it be?
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European Football Player
It would probably a curry boost. That is a. That is a bratwurst sliced up with some like, carry curry, the curry sauce and some fries.
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Podcast Host/Interviewer
Pretty good.
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Coach Matt Rule
If anybody out there knows where to get one or make one, let my guy know.
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Zach Gelb
All right.
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Coach Matt Rule
What's one thing that you've eaten here in Nebraska that you never had there that if you could have all your friends back home try. You'd have cornbread.
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European Football Player
It's pretty good.
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Zach Gelb
Special.
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Coach Matt Rule
Shout out to my guys at Acres for setting this up for us. Shout out to Revolution Wraps for making this thing look so, so.
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Zach Gelb
So.
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Coach Matt Rule
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Zach Gelb
How the tables have turned. I used to interview you when you were at Temple, and now you're interviewing me, so. So now I probably know how much of a pain in the ass I was like 10 or 15 years ago.
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Coach Matt Rule
Hey, I got all these questions I've been waiting like 10 years to ask you, man. I'm bringing the heat.
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Zach Gelb
Well, I, I'm looking forward to it. Should be a blast.
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Coach Matt Rule
So. So it's, it's really, I have to say this, man, like, you know, I, in my job, especially at a place like Temple, which was so known for communications and sports journalism, I've seen so many people come on and then move on into the world. But you've done such a great job and I'm proud of you for that. But you started this journey, you were born into this. You started this young. You know, your dad, obviously, wfan. Talk to me about like, you know, growing up and what made you and when did you know that you wanted to do this for your life?
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Zach Gelb
Yeah. So I was 8 years old and I went into work, basically skipped school for a day and I went into the Kaufman Historia studios, you know, with my dad. And I grew up as a Patriot fan. My dad worked on Sundays producing Mike Francesca with Mike Francesca and Christopher Mad Dog Russo was their first producer. So on football Sundays, I would go to my uncle's house, who it was my next door neighbor and he's from Framingham, Massachusetts. So I would be wearing a Patriot jersey and became Patriot fan. So I showed up to the WFAN studios in New York City in a Patriots jersey and Joe Beningo, who is like the iconic Jet fan, like, I hate the Patriots. Don't care who you are. They put me on the air as they thought it would be him and Sid Rosenberg, like a little bit of a creative bit. And I was talking crap to Joe as an 8 year old patriot fan. So I left that day and in the car ride home, I said to my dad, that's what I want to do for a living is talk sports. And when I was in high school and college, you know, I started doing shows on the web and eventually turned it into a full career.
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Coach Matt Rule
Was football your favorite sport growing up or was it basketball? Baseball? Where did you start with your true love?
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Zach Gelb
Yeah, When I was a kid, baseball was my first love. Right, you played Little League. I thought I was going to be on the New York Mets. I thought I was going to be the next Mike Piazza. Then I realized that I couldn't hit a curveball, so then that whole idea went away. But. But through time, you know, football has become my main love. NFL. And then doing the. The college show ever really since 2019, and doing the national show ever since 2019. And then also what you guys did at Temple, that's when I became a big college football fan. Like someone growing up in the Northeast. The only real memory of college football than whatever games my dad was watching was when Rutgers beat Louisville and there was pandemonium and Piscataway, and. And that was my first memory of college football from a local perspective. But as a kid growing up, it was more so like Texas, usc, Notre Dame, and just all those national brands like in Nebraska, too.
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Coach Matt Rule
So obviously you were there during, during that run that we had at Temple, and you really, you were, you were there for every. Every step of it. What do you remember about covering me? What do you remember about covering the team in those kind of formative college years?
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Zach Gelb
Well, I remember when I broke the story that you were going to be the coach. I had a really good source, and I got your number and I texted you, and I go, before I break this, can I get comment? And then didn't hear from you because you're probably like, who the heck is this person? And you were already at Temple before. And then I remember when you gave the speech and I interviewed you the first day when you were on the job, but I don't think we put the connection together that I was the one that was texting you. But I remember when you gave the speech at the basketball center, the Leah Chorus center, and you guaranteed that there was going to be a trophy placed in the building down Edward Golson Hall. And everyone looked at each other and they said, a trophy. Like, let's just be ball eligible, a trophy. And you were talking about a conference championship trophy. And the transformation from year one to year two was crazy. Year one, you guys are making up, like, recruiting pitches to coaches to try to get me to walk on the team. And then in year two, it started with the water jugs and how everyone was carrying around. But then from year one to year two, you saw a team that was just ready to. To burst through and pop through, and you guys got screwed out of the bowl game. You guys should have got put into the bowl game in that second year. But just for. Even in year one, you guys were competitive like I could. These are going to be some painful memories for you. Knee brick to ajala with Fordham. I didn't love running out of the pistol necessarily. Up against Rutgers, the J.J. warden one. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of that jj JJ Warden with the one handed catch, but you guys were playing these really good teams and you guys weren't that good of a team, but you were in every game. And that's when I knew something was getting built in the right direction.
- [29:24]
Coach Matt Rule
Do you remember coming to morning workouts, to mat drills? Do you remember being a pseudo member of the staff for a day?
- [29:32]
Zach Gelb
Yeah, I remember we were doing an interview and you invited me to practice and I go, all right, that's probably just coach being nice. And then you texted me, you go, 5am and I was living in a fraternity house at the time and we were probably partying the night before. So I, I limp over to the facility and I'm watching practice. I'll never forget. You go, we have this kid by the name of Hasan Reddick. He's going to be a star. Just watch him. And I watched in the entirety of the practice. And my friends used to make fun of me because I go, the best hidden secret in temple football is this kid Hasan Reddick. And I would say it so much, he'd be like, all right, enough. Enough talking about Hassan Redick. But we all know the story that he ended up going on. And then also Coach Rule, you know, he goes, I saw Gelb coming out of a fraternity house at like 5 in the morning. And all the other reporters go, well, how did you see coach rule at 5am and I didn't want to tell him that I was going to practice because then all those other reporters would probably get jealous that they were that I got the, the exclusive practice insight.
- [30:29]
Coach Matt Rule
I used to come up 10th Street, Diamond street, and make it turn on Broad Street. I think there's a couple of times I might have seen you guys out, but there was a pizza place and a frat house. I might have seen you sitting outside, you know, late hours, enjoying college life in North Philly.
- [30:42]
Zach Gelb
So I used to have my age in my, my Twitter bio. And you were at Maxi getting pizza. And I probably should not have been in Maxis. And you tweeted out, saw my man Zach Yelb at Maxis as I just saw the bouncer who let me in because he just thought I was 21. And in my bio it's like 17 or 18 year old aspiring talk show host. And I quickly just deleted that and then proceeded to have a good night.
- [31:06]
Coach Matt Rule
I love it. Those are great times. You could tell, you could tell then like your drive, your perseverance, your professionalism would result in you having the opportunities you have right now. But you think about like what you've seen, you've seen going back to your father producing Mike and the Mad Dog all the way through college to now, like sports media, sports journalism has changed so much. What are the different ways that you know that it's affected you and your, in your career? Like, how are you doing it differently now than you did it in college when you first started in college or watching your dad work?
- [31:39]
Zach Gelb
Yeah. So the biggest difference now is everything just gets spun into a social media clip where I do enjoy the art of doing a three or four hour show and right. Having people that regularly call me and you have those interactions. And I even saw it during COVID how many messages I would get on Twitter or Instagram like, hey, you're my one distraction for the day. But I know the social media climate change that we're in on, TikTok and Twitter and Instagram. So it's. How can you produce content? Because to me it's still the radio first, but produce content that is compelling on the radio that then could get spun into social media content. And I think it's just a simple thing because there's now the, the relationship is different. The, the, the athletes, right. Coaches, they don't need the media as much as they once did. Like you have a podcast now. All the, like a lot of players have podcasts now. So, so there's a way to get your message out. But I still think there is an importance of having relationships and then building trust with people. And that's why like when I'll interview someone, I'll always thank them afterwards. Like on their birthday, I'll reach out happy birthday. Or you know, if, if, if a big win happens, like congratulations on the win. Because I never want the relationship just to be, hey, I'm only going to have coach Matt rule on when there's a big story about Nebraska because then if that's the case, you don't really trust the person that that is doing the interview and that it also allows me that if there is a controversy that that person then trusts me to come on and then you have kind of the conversation, an honest conversation. Because ultimately, as much as I love interacting with players and Coaches, my responsibility is to serve the listener. And that's something Angelo Cataldi, a sports talk radio legend, told me in Philadelphia. You never want to get too close to the coaches and the players. I didn't listen to him on that, because then you're going to do a disservice to your fans.
- [33:25]
Coach Matt Rule
It's funny you say that, because even, like, you know, you came to the Northwestern game, you know, and I know I'm talking to you. I pretty much told you, hey, I'm gonna stick around here. I'm gonna stay. And. And, you know, I respect the fact that you didn't just, you know, tweet that out, like. And again, you have a job to do, and there's me a time you have to criticize me or, hey, Matt rules. So that's always been fine. But I think being someone who handles confidential information or someone who you know is going to give you the benefit of the doubt or at least ask you. Those relationships, they matter. And what people don't know on this side is, let's say it's a big week, there's a big game, or something happens, and your Sid comes in, he's like, hey, you have these 10 interviews, and you can only do three. You know, you remember the people you know, not who take it easy on you, but who you trust, right? Who you respect, the work. I mean, there's times where run the ball and the pistol on 4th and 1. Yeah, I was mad about that, too. So there's times you got to say, like, you know, what are we doing here? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But so much of it now can be just piling on, and it's like, you know, who has a relationship? Because I think it works both ways. And, you know, you mentioned podcasts. You know, it's such a novelty for a coach to have a podcast. But guess what was a novelty a couple years ago? A podcast. Right? So now people are all starting to have them. You know, what is your thought about me doing this, about players doing it? Do you like that? Do you want us to stay out of your medium or. Or do you like kind of the flow of information that's out there these days?
- [34:48]
Zach Gelb
I embrace it because I think more content is the better. It gives us more things to react to. And I think it's a good platform for your players, too, and even to continue to make relationships inside the local community. Now, you know how this goes, right? You win, people love it. If you lose, then people go, oh, the coach cares more about the podcast than. Than the actual football team, which is a bunch of bull crap. We all know that. But there are so many ways that you need to adapt in this nil era now, and you need to make yourself as marketable as ever. And basically on every screen. And there's so many different screens now. So I don't know if you're the first coach to do this, but I'll tell you this, you won't be the last coach that will do this, because, hey, coaches, for years, how is this any different, let me ask you, than you doing a radio show for an hour? That's right. You know, a lot of these coaches have radio shows. It's no different. It's just a different way that an older audience will consume it. And some people are caught up in their old ways, and some people don't adapt. But in this college world, what I've learned is you got to adapt. Because what was the way that the world worked five years ago isn't how it works now.
- [35:58]
Coach Matt Rule
That's exactly right. You know, it's funny you say that about the radio show. When I went to Baylor, they were like, yeah, you have a one week, one hour a week radio show. You got to go over to this barbecue place. I was like, every week, you know, like a. You're working all this, and then you finally get done, you'd like to at least see your family. So, you know, we divvy it up and all those things. But at least this isn't like, you know, this isn't like two hours of my life. This is, hey, 20 minutes here, 40 minutes there. And I'm grateful for the people that do it. Now you do a daily show. Like, how do you keep it? How do you keep it fresh? How do you keep it interesting? Like, how do you. I mean, the workload you must do in terms of watching everything and reading everything must be outrageous, because this is hard for me, and I'm doing it once a week. How do you. How do you keep it fresh?
- [36:39]
Zach Gelb
Yes. So the nice part about national, it's bigger topics, like, sure. In college football, if there's a huge game and let's say you're in the College Football playoff semifinal, everyone's watching that. So you could do more of a breakdown, but it's. It's, you know, hot seat talk. It's. It's Heisman trophy talk. It's also like, even though I've been doing this for a young time and there was an article that was written, he's like, oh, he's the network veteran And I go, I'm only 31 years old, but I do have an energy and a passion and a drive where I try to keep my eye on so many different things. And it just, it's having an insane amount of preparation. And then just. You got to rely on your, on your memory as well. Like, I'll jot some things down when I'm watching games, but there's like, I'll get asked, how do you remember all this crap? And I go, just because I love what I do. And there's nothing better to me than, than the NFL season and the college football season.
- [37:35]
Coach Matt Rule
I love that. You know, we did Andy and Ari a couple weeks ago from on three. They have their podcast and they were great. And Ari talked a little bit about being surprised he had a take and he put it out and it wasn't really a hot take in his mind. It ended up being this controversial hot take. Does that ever happen to you or things ever unintentionally start going viral without you meaning it to.
- [37:56]
Zach Gelb
Yeah. You know, I usually have a good idea on how social media is gonna work, but there are some things that you, that you just can't see coming. And then here's the thing. Nothing ever dies on the Internet now. So I could say something a year ago and then a year later a player could get traded. I know today's the trade deadline. Or someone could say something and it gets repurposed a year later. So. So that stuff happens all the time. But I think the most. We've had some good viral moments. You know, I've had Debo Samuel hang up the phone on me because he wasn't happy with my line of questioning. Uh, Aaron Donald's PR person stepped in cuz they didn't like something that I asked. Uh, I was interviewing Mike and sometimes it's unintentional. You know, I'm interviewing Michael Parsons at the Super Bowl a few years ago, and I'm just asking him, who's your. Your top five pass rushers in the league? And he wouldn't say, T.J. watt. And the next thing you know, that clip has like four and a half million views. I went to dinner, a Mexican restaurant at the Super Bowl. We walked in, the video was at 500,000 views and had like three tacos and two, two margaritas. And we walk out and it's at two and a half million views. So it's crazy how things just spread and how many Kobe White at the NBA draft, I told him one of his teammates got drafted and he Said, wow, wow, wow. That's crazy, bro. That still gets mashed into TikToks and things like that today.
- [39:16]
Coach Matt Rule
That's awesome. How about. What about, like, maybe less viral? What are your favorite, favorite stories, favorite moments that you've had? Just. Just you personally, what are the ones that stick out to you?
- [39:27]
Zach Gelb
Yeah. So I think it's crazy when you. For example, our connection where I knew you when you were unknown at Temple, and just how those relationships grow. I sent a Facebook message. It shows you how long I've been doing this. I did a digital show on this website called Show Vo, where they had. You could just go on and do your own show. And they were the platform and. And in high school, I sent a Facebook message to Rob Gronkowski and Gronk responded, came on the show. And then I've seen Gronk since then. So it's. It's things like that where you can interview people at a young age, whether I was young or they were young. And you never know what it's going to blossom to. For example, I interviewed Kaylan DeBoer when he was at Fresno State because I was blown away by his story at Sioux Falls, where when he was a player, he led the school in receiving and then also had something along the lines of a.500 batting average or something like that on the baseball team. And I interviewed him there. Then I interviewed him at Washington, and now I interview him at Alabama. And when I was interviewing him there, I never thought he would be the head football coach at Alabama. My dad and I, we used to actually joke when you were at Temple. And then things really started to get going when we beat Penn State, you know, had college game day with their Notre Dame, eventually the next year won the aac. My dad would always joke, yeah, I think Matt's going to one day be the head coach of the Green Bay Packers. Right. So it's. It's things like that where you meet people at such a young age or you interview them when they're unknown, and then to see the success that they have. That's the fun part of it.
- [41:03]
Coach Matt Rule
I love. So how about on the national landscape right now? What are. What's a story or a couple stories that you think are unfairly going unnoticed? What should we be talking about more as we're looking at sports in today's landscape?
- [41:16]
Zach Gelb
Yeah, so that's. That's a good question. And it's really highlighting the unknown stories. The media world. It's usually okay. I joke all the time on Monday. Which coach are we firing and which quarterback are we slamming? Because that's usually what it is. But when there is a good story, you got to tell it. You can't just be for. And I know a lot of times people be like, oh, you're a New Yorker, you're loud. All you do is just yell. You can't only just highlight the negative. So I try to identify those untold stories that end up getting told basically when, when it's the draft. And then I'm. I'm someone that's able to say, okay, that's a story. I remember, for example, when you were at temple, I was on the call for this. It was when we. You had Leah Still, Devin Still's daughter, run the touchdown. And I remember I did the call. Leah still is still running. And then the next thing you know, Adam Schefter is, Is putting it out there on social, finding those kind of stories where. And that's the human part of it and the relationship part of it. There are times that you just don't know when someone's going to open up to you. And if you have that trust or if you just have a heart and be a normal human being and just treat people like human. You get those, those little extra stories out of people that to me, make a lot more compelling content. Then, okay, is this person going to get fired or is this person going to have their quarterback job next week?
- [42:47]
Coach Matt Rule
You know, speaking of, like, untold stories or unseen stories, you know, you live in New York. You're from New York, I'm from New York. A lot of my friends, they'll say, like, you know, until they get here, they can't understand, like, living in Nebraska and why we like it so much. You've been here for a couple games. You've seen Lincoln, you've seen everything. Can you explain it? Can you explain why Julie and I like living here so much? As native Northeasterns meet me as a, as a true, true, true. Take the subway to school. New York City public school kid. Like, can you see it now after having been here?
- [43:19]
Zach Gelb
Oh, absolutely. The people are so nice. I've been there now twice. I'm sure there are mean people as there are in every state. I have not met a mean person. And just the love that, that the entire state has for the football team. You know, I was there in your first year when you guys played Michigan. And to have all those fans show up even when it's not expected to go your way, that's something that really spoke to me, that the environment and I've been to some big games and some big environments that the environment was still that cool. And then being there for Northwestern, I told you this afterwards, that was the most nerve wracking experience of my life. I've been to 28 to 3 to see my football team come on back in the Super Bowl. I've been to Final fours, which is at the one this past year where Duke blew that game. Watching the game in the second half with your wife, I don't think people understand how dedicated and invested Julie Rule is on the Nebraska football team. Because I used to joke with Pat Kraft that they should put a camera on him on the sidelines because he's a madman. I think it actually be more entertaining if we put a camera in the luxury box and get Julie's reaction.
- [44:31]
Coach Matt Rule
The only thing is Julie has no social media. She would never agree to do it.
- [44:35]
Zach Gelb
But she won't hate me. I will get a text later, she will hate me for even suggesting this.
- [44:40]
Coach Matt Rule
Now my daughters on the other hand, the two girls, they might sit there and be tick tocking it out, but yet. But no, I'm glad you say that because you know when you see, you know when you're a coach, you see like the good times, the bad times, the investment. Kind of like you come into a 5am practice and seeing behind the scenes and then that, that makes you root that much more. It's no longer just entertainment one day a week. It actually becomes something that you're invested in. Like Julia and I are invested in these players in the program. Okay, I have to ask you this and I'll let you go after this. New York City pizza, Philly pizza.
- [45:16]
Zach Gelb
Oh, it's not even close. I love Philadelphia. The cheesesteaks are unbelievable. The food scene in Philadelphia is great. I went out for, for dinner with my girlfriend for a wedding a month ago and I couldn't believe how cheap it was in Philly compared to what I'll pay in New York. But the New York you give me a slice from industry here in the city, I don't see the only better slice you get is New Haven. New Haven, Connecticut is the best pizza I've had outside of that. Then it would be New York pizza.
- [45:47]
Coach Matt Rule
Pepe Sally's Modern. It's amazing. How about the prices when you came to Lincoln, how you know New York City? Going to dinner, coming to Lincoln, you went to a great steakhouse here, Casa Bovino, like literally in Wine Spectator regarded across the country. But, but how does the cost of living compare?
- [46:05]
Zach Gelb
Yeah, I could live In Lincoln, Nebraska. Just give me Casa Bavina. If I get to go there once a week, I'd be a fat pig. Don't get me wrong.
- [46:14]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
But the food.
- [46:14]
Zach Gelb
And we did not skimp out. There was five of us, and I was doing the ordering. It was food, food, food, food, food, dessert, dessert, dessert, drink, drink, drink. And then the bill came, and I go, I go. In New York, this would have cost me about $800 a person. Not so much in Lincoln, Nebraska.
- [46:30]
Coach Matt Rule
That's why they call it the good life. Well, as someone who's watched you grow and someone who considers you a friend, but also seriously respects the job that you do, it's an honor to have you on here as I try to start this thing of ours we got going on here. But I appreciate you understanding it, too. It's a brave new world, and we got to be brave. Even though some people might say this, say that it's the same for you. You got to have your take. And, you know, we got to weather the storm, enjoy the good times, and deal with the bad times. But you've always been there and very grateful for you. I can't wait to see what you do next.
- [46:59]
Zach Gelb
Well, it is a brave new world, but it was also a brave new world when you got the temple and you said you were going to win a conference championship. So I love the job that you're doing at Nebraska, and I can't wait to continue to see how far this thing grows. Appreciate you having me.
- [47:13]
Coach Matt Rule
As for everyone else, we did put a trophy in the case. I said, before I die, we'll put a trophy in this case. And right before that season, I remember a couple guys said, are you dead yet? I said, I'm not dead yet. And they put it in there, so can't wait till we do it here. Thanks, my friend.
- [47:29]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Time now. Anything but football. This is where we get to ask Coach, who's a Renaissance man? We cover the spectrum today. Movies. You do a movie every week with the guys, so here you go. Conrad. Robert wants to know, hit us up on Instagram at house rules. Coach, what are your three top sports movies of all time?
- [47:53]
Coach Matt Rule
Well, this isn't an asterisk. This doesn't count. But I've always. I've always counted the Dirty Dozen because it has Jim Brown in it as a football movie. So it's one of my favorites, but we'll take that out. Okay, wait.
- [48:05]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
And he's throwing the ball against the wall. He's got the baseball glove.
- [48:08]
Coach Matt Rule
That's exactly right.
- [48:09]
Zach Gelb
Like.
- [48:09]
Coach Matt Rule
Like it's one of my favorite movies. Well, number one. Number one is Hoosiers. I mean, Hoosiers is, you know, my team is on the court and my team is on the floor. Like Normandale. I love it. You know, I would say, man, Little Giants, one of the greatest, greatest sports movies of all time. Like, you know, we got a yard, you know, I love that icebox. It's. It's just such a great movie.
- [48:39]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
I must have watched that movie 15 times with my kids.
- [48:43]
Coach Matt Rule
That's right.
- [48:44]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Like every once in a while, they'll still want to put it on.
- [48:46]
Zach Gelb
It's the great.
- [48:47]
Coach Matt Rule
Trust me, trust me. I'm like, hey, guys, what's on? You guys want to watch it with me? They're like, no, but come on, come on. You know, there's so many great ones. Field of Dreams, you know, Rocky, obviously. Like, I probably would say Rocky, but I want to go a little lesser known. One of the best movies ever is, in my opinion, sports movies. Everest is Victory. Sylvester Stallone, soccer movie, pows. And they walk off at the end. Like, I. I rewatched that last year on the plane to one of our games and was like, man, this is great. So I would go one. One basketball, one football. And then there's not a lot of great football movies, you know that. I mean, like the Replacements and there's some, you know. You know, but how about.
- [49:25]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
How about Remember the Titans?
- [49:27]
Coach Matt Rule
Remember. That's a great one. All the right Moves. My. My uncle was. Was one of the. Who was a. In the Pennsylvania High School coaches hall of Fame. He was. He was one of the visiting coaches when they were playing another team. So he's in the movie. My aunt's in the movie.
- [49:41]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Tom Cruise.
- [49:42]
Coach Matt Rule
That's right. Tom Cruise. Leah Thompson.
- [49:44]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
I was the greatest. Are you kidding me? Pittsburgh and the kids.
- [49:49]
Zach Gelb
The perfect.
- [49:49]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
He had the great name. What was his name?
- [49:52]
Coach Matt Rule
George Vich.
- [49:53]
Zach Gelb
Yes.
- [49:54]
Coach Matt Rule
Come on.
- [49:55]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
I love football name, man. Western Pennsylvania. That's football.
- [49:59]
Coach Matt Rule
What's the movie? Loud and Swain. The wrestling movie.
- [50:03]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Oh, yes. All the right movies.
- [50:08]
Coach Matt Rule
You know, they play lunatic fringe in it. You know, you got a record.
- [50:10]
Zach Gelb
Shoot.
- [50:11]
Coach Matt Rule
You know, what's that one called?
- [50:13]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Shoot, yeah. Yes, yes.
- [50:15]
Coach Matt Rule
What's the movie called? I can't remember the movies. The name of it.
- [50:18]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Oh, my God.
- [50:19]
Coach Matt Rule
Anybody got chat GPT? Anybody? Anybody? Anybody got chat GPT?
- [50:22]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
- [50:23]
Coach Matt Rule
I got.
- [50:23]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
I got. Allow the Space. The best wrestling movie. What is it? It's. Oh, my God. Oh, the classic. Come on. What was her name? Linda Ferratino was in it, what's that?
- [50:42]
Coach Matt Rule
Vision quest.
- [50:42]
Zach Gelb
Vision quest.
- [50:43]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Yes, yes, yes. Madonna. Madonna had one of the songs for you.
- [50:49]
Coach Matt Rule
Crazy.
- [50:51]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [50:51]
Coach Matt Rule
And then he's got his bleeding in his nose. He's like, you're a bleeder. I mean, movie elite.
- [50:56]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
Elite. Yes. Yeah. All the right moves though. Classic. Are you kidding me?
- [51:01]
Coach Matt Rule
Gosh. Now, now I'm going to go on a bender of movies now. Like, you know, on the, on the three hour planes, four hour plane trip to ucla. I'm just going to watch, probably watch, watch sports movies now because of you. Thank you.
- [51:10]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
All right, let's take a look ahead. The. Look ahead. Speaking of L. A, back to L. A on that trip to ucla. What's, what's the prep here?
- [51:21]
Coach Matt Rule
Yeah, I mean, we, we, they're coming off a bye week just like last week, so, you know, you're going to see some new things. You know, they've, they've made a lot of changes. You know, Tim Skipper took over as their head coach and he's done a Great job. They're 3 and 2 in the Big Ten, so they've, they started off 03 and now they've been, they've been rolling. So the quarterback is fantastic. You know, transferred from Tennessee and he's, he's really put, he's their leading rusher and their leading passer. You know, Jerry Neuhausel took over as the O.C. they faked four punts. I mean, you really just have to be up for anything. So for me, it's really about all of our guys playing their best football game, like taking it up even another notch from where they were last week and then making sure that we get TJ in a situation where he's comfortable and he can just go play ball. You know, I got a lot of confidence in him. You know, that's why I told him, hey, let's not baby him. Let's go out there and let's let him go play. And you know, you think about what an opportunity we have, you know, to go play football in the Rose Bowl, Pasadena. I mean, just, just playing that iconic program like ucla. So I want to go out there with a spirit of gratitude, a spirit of being great teammates and also play our best football game.
- [52:23]
Podcast Host/Interviewer
I mean, I, I know we make a big deal about schedules and you know, the pundits about, you know, all the Big Ten and we have California teams, everything. Gotta be honest with you, Nebraska, ucla, it's cool. Nebraska, USC was awesome. Like there is, if you look at it through the lens of this is pretty cool. Having all these iconic programs together, I kind of love it.
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Coach Matt Rule
I think it's fantastic. Like, to think about a conference game with Notre Dame and USC on national. Notre Dame, Nebraska, USC on national tv. Right? To think about going out there and playing a night game in the Rose bowl in Pasadena. Like, you know, I was a GA at UCLA and, you know, I remember games, I don't remember very many night games. And so to go out there and play it, night game, you know, we'll probably get back about 6 in the morning, but, you know, who cares? I mean, this is a, this is an amazing opportunity for us. And that's why I talk about, that's why I talk about gratitude first. You know, when you think about how blessed you are, it makes you then do things that, you know, it's one thing to say I'm blessed, or say thank you. You show your thanks. You show your gratitude. And so practicing really hard, working really hard, and then playing our best game is really the best way that we can show how grateful we are for this opportunity. Well, that's it. Another episode in the can. Please remember to, like, share or subscribe on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. And please follow house rules on socials until next time.