Champagne & Bullets (aka GetEven aka Road to Revenge) LIVE! w/ Jessica St. Clair

Summary

How Did This Get Made? — Live! Champagne & Bullets (aka GetEven aka Road to Revenge) with Jessica St. Clair Episode Date: August 22, 2025 – Portland, OR – The Beefcake Tour Finale

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Episode Overview

In the latest rowdy LIVE edition of How Did This Get Made?, Paul Scheer, Jason Mantzoukas, and special guest Jessica St. Clair (subbing for June Diane Raphael) gather in Portland to break down Champagne & Bullets—also known as Get Even and Road to Revenge. This 1993 cult oddity—written, directed by, and starring attorney-musician-contractor John De Hart—comes in various bizarre cuts and is often named “the worst movie ever made.” The crew digs into the film’s baffling plot, jaw-dropping scenes, accidental comedy, and the “Renaissance Man” at its center. Live audience Q&A, unforgettable quotes, and genuine wonderment abound as the hosts attempt to process a movie that invades your psyche and changes you forever.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Film(s): A Mystery in Multiple Cuts (05:00–13:00)

• Champagne & Bullets, GetEven, and Road to Revenge are the same movie, differently cut for reasons that baffle the hosts.
• The plot (per IMDb): two cops framed by their boss—who becomes a satanic cult leader/judge—seek revenge after one’s wife is killed.
• Paul (06:50): “IMDb does not fuck around with their synopses. They just straight out spoil the movie. The wife gets killed with 20 minutes left.”
• Versions differ mainly in nudity, violence, and inexplicable additions like a 2007 martial arts insert.

2. John De Hart: Legal Eagle, Auteur, Songbird, and... Renaissance Man (05:45–09:00)

• Per LinkedIn, De Hart is CEO, actor, singer, lawyer, real estate broker, contractor—"good at all of the above.”
• Paul: “He has a script for Champagne & Bullets 2. He won’t make it because you all think it’s funny and it was made as a serious fucking film.”
• De Hart’s refusal to recast the deceased Cindy reveals conflicting tones in his legacy.

3. Hosts’ Viewing Experiences & Initial Shock (07:30–10:10)

• None had heard of the film before—Jason dubs it "Pantheon." Michael Weber (The Disaster Artist) recommended it mid-tour.
• Jason (09:01): “You told me there was nudity in the movie... Less than five minutes in, I was like, wow, this movie is incredible.”
• Jessica got a version with more “comic relief” (the poodle), fewer nude scenes: “I dissociated... I ate a king size Snickers and watched sorority rush videos for an hour and a half.” (14:00)

4. The Genre Mash: From Satanic Panic to Softcore Romance (19:00–33:00)

• Sets, acting, and logic are uniformly confounding:
  • Silk jackets & transition lenses define LA cops.
  • The satanic cult subplot is handled with all the subtlety of a party store: “I love that the altar just has 666.” (23:46)
  • The “Shimmy Slide” musical number is positioned as a Ghostbusters-level breakout.
    • Jason (30:54): “He looks like someone wants a performance that is transcendent. That is better than Whitney Houston singing the national anthem.”
• Jessica observes the romance angle makes sense: “If you, even unwillingly, participated in the murder of a baby...who is going to take you in and accept you for that? This guy.” (46:18)

5. Absurd, Legendary Moments

- The Bathtub Scene(s) (09:33, 36:43, 63:21)

• Multiple minutes of soaping, romance, and unclear direction—reportedly shot while De Hart was on pain meds.
• Jessica: “Why is it a nautical theme? There’s a fishing net behind them... He keeps trying to feed her champagne, awkwardly.”

- Huck Finley, Improvisation, and Existential Collapse (27:20–28:45, 41:00–44:00)

• Wings Hauser plays Huck, the unraveling friend, possibly improvising most of his lines: “It felt to me like the movie only makes sense if it’s taking place in his [Huck’s] mind.” (27:35)
• Huck’s relationship with a wooden Native American statue, and “drinking bleach” subplot, summarized: “He is in rough shape.” (56:22)

- Music Is Everything (13:12, 33:10, 52:42)

• The score is intrusive (“casio keyboard drum demo”).
• “Shimmy Slide” intended as a nationwide phenomenon.
  • Jessica: “But the joke is on us. People on YouTube are obsessed with the Shimmy Slide. He has won.” (33:34)

- Dialogue to Remember

• “Here’s a quarter. Buy yourself a personality.” (38:41)
• “Let’s drink to new beginnings, let’s hope they never end!”—Jason: “Does he not understand what beginnings are?” (45:44)
• “He doesn’t react when Cindy admits to baby murder.” (20:01–20:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jessica on De Hart: “He’s got conf. He’s got Riz. ...He got married in a white track suit.” (16:16–17:22)
• Jason: “This movie has invaded our mind—antibiotic resistant. This is ‘It Follows.’” (14:29)
• Paul: “Every woman at the wedding is wearing a white dress.... I blame Scar. Scar should have gotten everybody different outfits.” (57:58–58:33)
• On the Shimmy Slide:
  • Jason: “I would kill for somebody to do a cover of this.” (33:10)
  • Paul: “He is mystified the Shimmy Slide did not become a huge hit.” (33:26)
• On acting & romance:
  • Jessica: “Every woman wants her boobs to be used in the right way. ...It’s what we dream of as little girls.” (66:20)

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Technical Breakdown & Live Screams

• Editing and Sound: (43:34–44:00, 52:42–53:58)

  • OBSCENE mix: dishwashing, chewing, and action sounds drown out dialogue.
  • Coverage missing for visual and audio cues—one microphone, one light.
  • Sets double as homes, bars, and a “judge’s office.”

• Acting and Set Choices:

  • Extras play to the camera, wardrobe is pure estate sale chaos (“pleather, blousy leather 80s kind of way”).
  • Scar (the henchman): “Scene to scene, his scar’s a little different...someone handed him an eyeliner and said, have at it.” (48:03)

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Audience Q&A Highlights (57:01–65:53)

• Scar’s inspiration for Lion King? Audience member notices the movie preceded The Lion King. (57:01)
• Why is everyone in wedding dresses? “Scar did wardrobe, showed up with just all wedding dresses.” (58:12)
• Why the fake denim aging with beer? “If it’s Japanese salvage denim, you gotta soak it in beer!” (64:49)

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"Based on a True Story?" & Surrealist Intentions (69:53–71:59)

• Shocking revelation: John De Hart claims the film is rooted in a real event—a client confided about a satanic baby sacrifice in Riverside County. She later died in a motorcycle crash De Hart suspects was murder.
• De Hart also asserts he prefigured Pulp Fiction and drew inspiration from A Clockwork Orange.

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Final Recommendations & Reflections (78:16–80:05)

• Jason: “100% yes. This is in the realm of Miami Connection, Birdemic. This is really one of the greats.” (78:18–78:33)
• Paul: “He could have retired three times over if he would have just not done this.” (76:12)
• Jessica: “I’m different. I’ve changed. And I don’t know if it’s a good thing...you hate that you’re watching it and then you realize that he [De Hart] lives in all of us.” (78:55–79:27)
• Paul: “He’s braver than any of us have ever been. To put your art out there.” (79:29)

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Must-See Segments & Timestamps

• [05:40] — Explanation of three versions & John De Hart’s “Renaissance Man” credentials
• [09:01] — Jason's reaction to nude scenes
• [13:12] — Differences in edits, including Pinky the poodle & martial arts reshoots
• [23:27] — Satanic altar and “who put their baby in this movie?” moment
• [30:54] — The “Shimmy Slide” song and its intended cultural impact
• [38:41] — “Here’s a quarter, buy yourself a personality.”
• [46:18] — The romance between Rick and Cindy: odd yet logical
• [52:42] — The soundtrack: “casio demo” levels of chaos
• [66:20] — “Every woman wants her boobs to be used in the right way.”
• [71:00] — The real-life motivation and “true story” behind the movie

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Conclusion

Champagne & Bullets (in all its titles) is a singular labor of ego, confusion, and sincerity—a must-see for fans of “bad-good” cinema. The hosts unanimously recommend it as a life-changing watch, and audience engagement shows De Hart’s strange charm has left its mark, in Portland and well beyond.

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Recommended If You Like: The Room, Miami Connection, Birdemic, Samurai Cop—and absurd true stories told with absolute conviction.

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Listen to the full episode for wild diversions, live crowd reactions, and more evidence that sometimes the worst movies truly bring out the best in comedy podcasts.

Transcript

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jessica St. Clair]

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[Paul Scheer]

Listen up you better take your piss stop and protect your human babies cause Satan is loose oh yeah and remember to be or not to be. We saw champagne and bullets so you know what that means or maybe see a burlesque show with Nick Crow and take a bubble speed to hitting cruise control J man big Paul in the beautiful jewel gonna take you from the groove all the way to the room ran against the street fighter help to blow off steam just a sucker punch.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The eye light for Timothy green sharp middle bird demonic how we staying alive.

[Paul Scheer]

They calling them your badass and he's on the line cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as ice cause the bad gym funny looking kind of nice Paul is June getting literal Jason is getting laid June is making sure all the monkey shots in the PA they catch a bunch of Movies while they making the grade. Here's a real question for you. How did this get made?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hello people of Earth and hello people of Portland.

[Paul Scheer]

We are on our final tour stop of the Beefcake Tour. That's right. We originally came out on the road as the Doppelganger Tour. But due to our selection of films, it has become the Beefcake Tour. And tonight, well, well, well. We are talking about what some people call the worst movie ever made. You might have watched Champagne and Bullets, you might have watched Road to Revenge, and some of you might have watched Get Even. Interesting. A smattering of applause for each one. Here's what I'll say. Champagne and Bullets is the version that you probably should watch if you like excessive nudity. Get Even is the one that you should watch if you like a more violent death of your main bad guy. Wait, what? He made it more violent and then towed it down? Yes, we'll get into all the nitty gritty of how each version is different, but let's just break down what this movie is. Okay. This movie, according to IMDb says two cops are fired after being set up by the corrupt boss who then gets appointed as a judge, but secretly heads a satanic cult. After his wife is killed by the cult, one of the cops is determined to bring the cult down. IMDb does not fuck around with their synopsises, they just straight out spoil the movie. The wife gets killed with 20 minutes left of the film. This movie was self funded. This movie was released in 1993. Reshoots happened after. Well, again, we'll talk about it. It's the first time I can tell you though we found out some information about the director, the writer, the producer, the lead actor and the musician of the film. John de Hart from LinkedIn. Yes, according to LinkedIn, he is the CEO of production company. He is an actor, he's a singer, he's a writer, he's a producer. He is a licensed attorney. He is a real estate broker and a building contractor. And in his own words, good at all of the above. That is what we know. He is still alive. And he does say that he has a script for Champagne and Bullets too. But he won't make it because you all think it's funny and it was made as a serious fucking film. He also says he won't make it because Cindy has passed. So he does not want to. Does not want to make a movie without her because, you know, then he can't convince somebody else to get naked for 90% of the movie. It's a very hard job as you get older and older. I don't know what to say about this movie. I was afraid of it, then I fell in love with it. And then it's left me with this. Like this. I'm in it. I'm still in it. To this moment. I'm like, what did I watch? I don't know. We're gonna break it down here tonight, but first let me introduce my co host. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Mantzouk. Up jerks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Portland. Let's go, let's go. It ends here tonight. Last night of the tour. We'll all be dead before dawn.

[Paul Scheer]

Jason June often says this, and I think about it a lot. We've been doing this show for a very long time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A shatteringly long time.

[Paul Scheer]

I have never heard of this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

0.0Knowledge of this masterpiece. I mean, what did I watch?

[Paul Scheer]

This movie was given to me by Michael Weber, a great screenwriter, wrote 5artist. What? Yes. Disaster artist. Yes, he has. He is a great. He's recommended two movies. He uses his movie selection very sparingly. Yes. Giorgio the Pavarotti movie gave us that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Incredible.

[Paul Scheer]

Then right before the tour, he goes, I think I got one for you. Champagne.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think I got one. Here's the thing, Weber, if you're listening, you know you got one for us.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

This was a gift. It was the last film that we picked and we called an audible in the middle of the tour, like, fuck it. And Champagne and Bullets is going to Portland.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're welcome. You're welcome. I have never. This is a Pantheon movie for me. This is one of those ones that I know when I open my app, my notes are just chaos.

[Paul Scheer]

I absolutely went bonkers for this film on the flight today.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I want you to.

[Paul Scheer]

Because you told me it was.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You told me there was nudity in the movie. I started it on the same flight. And in my head I said, paul said, there's nudity. The minute there's nudity, I'll switch it to something else. Five minutes. Less than five minutes. I was like, wow, this movie is incredible. I need to wait to enjoy it in the comfort of my own hotel room.

[Paul Scheer]

It never stopped. I just fast forwarded. I was like, ding, ding. 10 seconds. 10 seconds. Like, I hit 10 seconds so many times. Like, still.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, the bathtub scene is, I believe, 13 minutes long.

[Paul Scheer]

I was like, it's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Get her out here. We got it, we got it, we got it.

[Paul Scheer]

And now our next co host, who has been so gracious to join us on this Tour. She is the co host of the Deep Dive podcast. She is the author of a book to help you small talk better. Please welcome to the stage Jessica St. Clair.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Hi, guys. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Be careful you didn't stretch.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, I will say, Jess, knowing that you were watching this today brought me joy because I was like, I cannot wait just to hear where you're at with this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would love this film. Yeah. I want to know every one of your thoughts about this movie and what you maybe even can imagine its plot is.

[Jessica St. Clair]

This is what I'll tell you. Paul starts apologizing for this movie about five days ago. He's like, the movie, it's got some weird themes. And I'm like, what kind of weird themes? He's like, I'm going to look for a different version for you.

[Paul Scheer]

And I'm like, I did send Jess a different version.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He's like, this has a little less.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, it's funny, you treat Jess like your dad treated you, creating a version of the movie that's safe for her to interact with.

[Jessica St. Clair]

So I'm like, well, surely this version. Get Even is gotta be nothing. No naughty bits. What was the original like?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Cause this is so fucked up. Get Even was so fucked up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. Champagne and Bullets is. I'm gonna. I didn't watch the version you watched. I'm gonna guess it's 100 times more fucked up based simply on the absolute insanity that I saw put too cellular.

[Paul Scheer]

I have all the differences. I'll just give you this. So Champagne and bullets runs 99 minutes. Road to revenge 75. Get even 90. So our.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I would've rather the shorter one, you know.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, the Road to Revenge was hard to find. Although some of you found is. I mean, Get Even is the one that most people have watched. Oh, okay. Champagne and Bullets is like the newest.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I see an uncut version.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What do you mean, the new.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, so is new.

[Jessica St. Clair]

This.

[Paul Scheer]

This film was originally edited as Champagne and bullets in 16 millimeter, but never released. Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This. This movie definitely feels like something that would be played at a bachelor party in the 80s, I guess, right?

[Paul Scheer]

Unlike the two other cuts, this one contains the full Shakespeare soliloquy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Holy shit.

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I watched that.

[Paul Scheer]

I watched that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it's. It is. It is mad. Inducing.

[Paul Scheer]

It is wild. It also has, as Jason already referenced, the full bathtub.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The bathtub scene. I'm not kidding. The bathtub scene is easily 13 minutes long, but it felt.

[Jessica St. Clair]

The one that I watched felt like it was 36.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Six hours long. I believe that the movie is simply a sales device for an album of absolutely incredible songs.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Oh, man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The gift, the true gift of this movie are these songs.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, now, Jason, here's what Jess saw that we didn't see. Okay? This is the most notorious cut. It has more comic relief with John's lost soul, Pinky, the black belt poodle.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Okay, wait, there was. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one. One scene with a poodle.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep. Okay, wait.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And I did write down, this poodle has more talent than anyone in this film.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Whoa.

[Jessica St. Clair]

This poodle's jumping off the screen. I mean, really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, so it also.

[Jessica St. Clair]

But it didn't come back.

[Paul Scheer]

No, no poodle.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I didn't see any poodle.

[Paul Scheer]

I got a lot of poodle clips we can watch.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Had. I dissociated when I got done watching this movie, I was so fucked up that I was in, like, a dissociative state. I ate a giant. A king size Snickers. And then I just started scrolling and I searched Sorority rush videos on TikTok. And I watched it for like an hour and a half. And my husband.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Did you think that was the movie?

[Jessica St. Clair]

I thought that was the only thing I thought could. Could. Could, like, wash it out, offset it or wash it out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You. You. This is the thing. This movie has invaded our mind, changes you. And there are. It is antibiotic resistant. We will have this movie forever. It's in all of us.

[Jessica St. Clair]

It's in.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is an it follows scenario. No, it's just here.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, I will say one other thing. Get even. The version that Jess watched also includes a martial arts sequence that was shot in 2007.

[Jessica St. Clair]

You guys. What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's 20 years later. And when you had Rick in it.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Okay. Yes. And what is so crazy. What's so crazy is 20 years later, you think, oh, has he aged a lot? He seems just as weak.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

20 years later, he's just like. I mean, swiping at the back.

[Paul Scheer]

He was 49 or 50 years old at the time of filming.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A very cool age. Yes, very cool age.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Very sexual.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And he was a few years older. That would be cool, too.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah. It would be prime of his life.

[Paul Scheer]

And he was 65 for the reshoots.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We can all agree that's gross.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, I will also point out that his Love interest was 34 at the time. Now, the other thing I will say, and the biggest difference, the biggest difference between champagne and bullets and Get Even is the end death of the bad guy.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Can I understand something? Who is releasing these new versions? Is anybody Asking for it.

[Paul Scheer]

I will show you. It is John de Hart. John DeHart. There he is.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Divorce quick. You can get a quick divorce from him.

[Paul Scheer]

He does everything.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He's a straight up lawyer. I have to say, hearing that, I'm like, good for him. Like, this guy has. He's got conf. He's got Riz. He's got Riz.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I do want you to look at this. When someone tried to troll John De Hart lawyer on his website, this is what you get back. This is a picture, too. Chad Brooks writes, I once got double crossed by my boss, who was secretly the head of a satanic cult, and I needed some help. John knew how to handle it. He's also a great singer. And John de Hart writes back, profoundly intuitive.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Chad, I love this guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He gets it.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He does get it. He gets it in that he doesn't get it. And he doesn't give a fuck.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He doesn't give a fuck. He's tucking that sweat jacket into the sweatpants.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Everything gets tucked in.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He got married in a white track seat.

[Paul Scheer]

What that is, you gotta get married.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He's got Riz.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, there's just too many notes. I do this thing now where I dictate the notes, and it's absolutely. I'm looking at them. They are chaos. They are chaos.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Even if you didn't. I wrote them down. Mine make no sense.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I mean, I'm writing. I was writing down. I was like, I think I have to stop at a certain point. But the opening sequence, when three cops surround, like, a small trailer, and they're like, oh, fuck, we're outnumbered. No, you're not. Yeah, you're exactly numbered.

[Jessica St. Clair]

They're also wearing. They're also wearing silk black jackets that look like they're the pink ladies from Greece that say lapd. And they're like, take cover. They're literally walking in, like, plain sight up to the trailer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They're not hidden at all.

[Paul Scheer]

My favorite thing is that their boss, I believe his name is Normad, their boss is wearing transition lenses on his sunglasses.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So the whole movie, he's wearing them in the courtroom.

[Paul Scheer]

And it was shocking because at first you're like, oh, he's a cop. He's wearing the dark glasses. And then after. After Huck gets shot, regular glasses. I'm like, oh, I don't want to see this guy's eyes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah, my dad has those transition shades. And it really upsets people. It upsets people to just see you in sunglasses and then not.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, it's Too shocking.

[Jessica St. Clair]

You can't trust a man.

[Paul Scheer]

No. And by the way, great storytelling. You understand right away, don't trust me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Man is untrustworthy. Untrustworthy. And yet somehow he becomes a judge.

[Paul Scheer]

A judge.

[Jessica St. Clair]

What is that Trip voted? Well, obviously John de Hart. Oh, he must know he did it. I mean, he became from actor to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Lawyer that he could become a judge.

[Paul Scheer]

I believe he was a lawyer who became an actor and then stayed a lawyer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I love that she's. When Cindy comes back. Cindy, right, Cindy. When Cindy comes back, she's like, are you still an actor? He said, I'm trying to audition. I'm like, still. He's acting as if he's like 29 in the movie.

[Paul Scheer]

He is a police. There's one line in the movie where Cindy goes back to her parents house. The parents want to reject her because she's been in a satanic cult. And you know, and she's like, you know, like, I'm not letting that guy in there. And he goes, dad, he was a cop and now he drives a limo. I'm like, that's not.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That is a. That's a bad trajectory.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just want to get this out straight away, right now, okay? Cindy is part of a cult that kills a human baby. There is no coming back from that.

[Jessica St. Clair]

But he keeps saying to her, it's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Fine, don't worry, we're going to work through it.

[Jessica St. Clair]

It's okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You'll get past it. It's fine.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He can't get past it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He doesn't register an ounce of shock.

[Paul Scheer]

He has no reaction to it. And she, you see it in flashback. And then she goes, a human.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A human baby. Also, the movie doesn't understand film language at all. We see the whole thing in flashback.

[Jessica St. Clair]

We know it's a human baby.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The movie doesn't act like that's her telling him. She tells him that story out loud. When we come back from the flashback, I was like, that's not how we do this.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jessica St. Clair]

This really did haunt me. It makes me feel sick. It's so crazy about the other night.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Those guys in the bar. He loves a hard tug.

[Jessica St. Clair]

They're members of a cult. Devil worshipers. The crowd I got into, they. They started getting involved in a coven. I just kind of fell into it.

[Paul Scheer]

Now that's acting.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I just love her to put on a bra.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You want to put her in a bra?

[Jessica St. Clair]

I do.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Interesting.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Her. And something a little more supportive.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, there's the baby.

[Paul Scheer]

We need to find that child.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Go with Satan. This isn't right. Who put their baby in this movie?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Satan lives. Oh, the baby. I wish I could hold that baby. I'll save you.

[Paul Scheer]

I love that the Altar just has 666.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Very, very much like we went to party city, got some 666. The upside down. Oh, I guess it's an upside down cross. All right. So there it is. All right, so this is the satanic cult. And I will say that Cindy does jump out and say, stop. That's a. That's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's a very late cat after this.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah. She waits for that baby to get all the way to the altar before she says anything.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She's part of this infanticide for 100%.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And you don't bounce back from it.

[Paul Scheer]

You just don't. You said like, you know who. You know who might put their baby up for this role? Like, hey, we're casting for a baby to be murdered? And somebody's like, oh, we'll give it to John. He's a good lawyer. We'll give him our baby. I'll tell you one person he didn't cast as his love interest, which is his girlfriend.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Who was his girlfriend?

[Paul Scheer]

The nun.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And God bless.

[Paul Scheer]

And John. And John did say. Oh, no, John did say that when she saw the bathtub scene, she broke up with him.

[Jessica St. Clair]

This guy is a hero. He is America's hero.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, what. The ball's on this boss move.

[Jessica St. Clair]

The ball's on this guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She doesn't even know it's in there. She had to see what the. I mean, like, he did it. What Respect.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. So, you know, look.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And that.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And put that poor nun. She was as bad as actor as. As he.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I mean, that was a rough, if not worse.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That was a rust. And but you know what? It makes sense because you're thinking to yourself, jesus, why is this nun even in this movie? And why are they giving us such a long scene with her when the.

[Paul Scheer]

Nun goes, but you have to drive me back to the hospital. He's at his dead wife's grave.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He said, I'd rather spend a little time with Cindy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, she's bringing him to see. Spoiler alert, his dead wife is alive.

[Jessica St. Clair]

How humiliating is that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, man.

[Jessica St. Clair]

She has to deliver her boyfriend to Cindy in those boobs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Not knowing that they just earlier that morning Shot a 16 hour soap fest.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Oh, my God. She.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Okay, you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here's a little PSA for everybody. You can't. In water like that. That's full of that soapy.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That ph. She's going to get.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She's getting a UTI that's going to last a month. Big time, my guy. You're an idiot.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Big time.

[Paul Scheer]

Now I will say who came up with the plan to fake Cindy's death. Was it the EMT drivers?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Yes. She says she woke up in the ambulance and they take her away to protect her life. So that the bad guys in the satanic cult think she's dead. Think she's dead.

[Paul Scheer]

But now.

[Jessica St. Clair]

But who was working behind the scenes to help protect her? We never really tell me. They wouldn't. They wouldn't let me tell you.

[Paul Scheer]

And he did no research himself. That means he never identified her body. Nope. As her husband, that's a given. Like, he went through a lot. By the way, this whole movie probably takes place in eight days.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

He meets his ex girlfriend and he.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Has like, easily 14, all leather outfits in the course of that eight days, at least.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, I just want to get. I want to get into all of it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We haven't talked. We have.

[Paul Scheer]

Any of it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Talked about Huck Finley at all. Which is.

[Jessica St. Clair]

To be honest, that character disturbed me more.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That character. I felt like that that is the point of view character for the movie.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It felt to me like the movie only makes sense if it's taking place in his mind.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Agreed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

In his broken, broken mind.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And I felt like. I don't know if the actor was losing his mind throughout the filming, but it felt. There was a lot of improv going on, moment to moment. I felt like he thought he was in a David Mamet play.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think he, you know, I think he thought he was Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, there are moments when John is watching him and it looks like he's smiling, like, oh, this is going to be good. Like that whole scene where he's like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You don't know Hamlet.

[Paul Scheer]

You don't know Hamlet. And John's like, who? And then he's like, I'm so mad at you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm like, tell him the thing that Hamlet wrote. What?

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, the fact that John de Hart is auditioning with his to be or not to be monologue which has a cut in it. Right. One of the benefits of that monologue is no cutting. Right. Like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, also, the cut is to just a slightly different angle of himself. The movie doesn't understand the idea of coverage. So there are multiple scenes in which the person talking isn't shown. But because they've not shot that, like.

[Jessica St. Clair]

In the waiter, when the waiter comes, they're having a whole conversation with somebody you never see.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What about the scene. What about the scene where in the foreground, all you hear is someone pushing phone buttons as if. As if someone's holding up a receiver to the microphone? There's so many. The mix is so crazy in this movie. There are four. The foregrounded scene stuff is always the. The soundtrack.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And the ambient foley work. The crunch scene, chewing.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I don't know if it's foley work either. Like the fountain, which I also had a feeling that they shot all of this in like a sad apartment building. Like an empty apartment building, Mexican restaurant. And then they just put a fountain in there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're telling me a judge. His office is a windowless, artless, nothing of a box.

[Paul Scheer]

I believe that every room in John's house was used for this movie.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean that bar is not a bar. That is his garage. And he clearly collects video games.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Because that's 1993. He's got old ass video games. You never see the other side of the bar. And then later on when they're at another place, I'm like, oh, that's just the bar.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That's the bar. Again, can we talk about why first of all, that they're wearing cowboy outfits. Cuz I. And I don't see anybody say I'm fixing to have you a drink or get you a drink.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, when they revealed that there was la, I was like, huh?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was. I found it. I found it thrilling.

[Jessica St. Clair]

It was.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I found it thrilling to be like, why are they doing cowboy? Why? And then when everybody in the bar begs him to sing and then he sings, I'm gonna say a seven minute song. And I'm not kidding. He looked with panic in his eyes. He looks like someone wants a performance that is transcendent. That is better than Whitney Houston singing of the national anthem. It's absolutely transporting.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And his neck and his head are moving as one column. He's. He's so uncomfortable. I've never met it seen a man more uncomfortable in his own body.

[Paul Scheer]

And it's clearly a song that he has written that he knows the words to. But it feels like someone's like if you fuck up one word of this song that you don't know any of the words to. We will kill a human baby.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This was the moment. This was the moment where I most felt like this was a Will Forte character.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes. Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like this is some sort of cut scene from MacGruber, right?

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Let's watch. Clip one. The Shimmy Shimmy shake.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

Or sorry. The shimmy slide.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The shimmy slide. Okay.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Cindy's mom is also an unsubscribe.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, can we pause for a second? Can we pause for a second? Cindy's mom wears that Outfit only she wears that outfit to her daughter's funeral, I believe.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Also, who goes to a bar where there's just full nudity? Women dancing with their mom.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, hold on. But wait, she's a child there.

[Paul Scheer]

Hold on. Just think about when you hear the Shimmy Slide. You want to take off all your clothes like that. That is a song that makes you go hot. Now this mom has my best. My. One of my favorite lines of the whole movie. She goes. She was off. I'll be right back. I got a lot of things going on.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And you know, she's just gonna come.

[Paul Scheer]

Right back in in 35 seconds.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I believe her, though. I believe she's busy.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What does she got going on?

[Paul Scheer]

All right, so here is the shimmy side. Here we go.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Different location.

[Paul Scheer]

Goblet of wine, two big.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, my God. I mean, this leather is next level.

[Paul Scheer]

That fireplace is in his living room.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Totally.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Proving too much stomping for some more.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's when my eyes kick.

[Jessica St. Clair]

So scared. It's his movie. He's so scared to be in his own movie.

[Paul Scheer]

In his mind, this was gonna be the, like Ghostbusters we're gonna call. Like, this was going to be the thing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. And they have a whole dance that goes with it. It was going to sweep the nation, by the way. The song is a banger. The song. I mean, I would kill for somebody to do a cover of this. Please let Chapel Ron do a cover of this song.

[Paul Scheer]

He is mystified the Shimmy Slide did not become a huge hit. He has said that now.

[Jessica St. Clair]

But, but, but the joke is on us.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Because on YouTube, people are obsessed with the Shimmy Slide. He has won.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, he has won. As he should.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes, I agree.

[Paul Scheer]

He should.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is what we deserve, America. This. We did this to ourselves. Right. This whole tour has been somehow about the manosphere, I believe, and toxic masculinity.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I do want to bring up this thing because this is great. During this scene, John is up on pain meds because his back was so seized up. It was actually throughout of most of production.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That makes sense why he can't move.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I get it now. Now I feel bad. As someone who has also experienced lower back pain. I understand. So now I feel bad.

[Paul Scheer]

But. No, but I mean, then don't shoot this. He looks like he is fogged up on pain meds like that. Like, of course he's scared out of his mind. He doesn't know where he is and he's directing himself. I got to get. I'M I'm making this movie. Well, I'm just directing it, right? No, you're acting it too. What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Red dots about to appear on his forehead.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I just imagine him like I imagine him waking up. John, you got to get the set. What set? I'm a lawyer. No, you're directing a movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You have to go to set downstairs. Yeah, set. You have to go to set down in the basement.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Craft service is already set up. John, get up.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, at least I'm only directing it. No, no, you're acting in it too. Wait, what?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

At least I'm not singing all the songs. You are singing all the songs in real time.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Well, I honestly would believe that they had a boombox playing the soundtrack while they acted.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

100%. Yes. And the performances are better for it. I will fuck to this soundtrack. Mark my words, Portland. And I want you to too, tonight. I demand that Portland fuck to this music.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Oh, God.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, Jason, though, when you fuck, when you finish fucking, you always say adiosi. Bela Lugosi.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I do, I do.

[Paul Scheer]

I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Can I just.

[Paul Scheer]

Another one.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Cindy, your eyes are. They're incredible. They're still the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. Still. Still. I haven't seen more beautiful. Every one of his lines are so weird.

[Jessica St. Clair]

They're so weird.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When he says the pleasure is all mine at the end of a scene that's not been the setup. It's wild.

[Paul Scheer]

All I want to talk about is the court scene in the beginning when these two guys are getting framed as drug addicts. There are words in here that I'm shocked by. The Normand or Normad. When Normad says they were in front of a panderer's vehicle with a myriad of paint on it. What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I believe that's like a. I believe that's like a van that's got like some art.

[Paul Scheer]

Just say it's got a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's got like a Buffalo Bill van vibe.

[Paul Scheer]

And then.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then it rubs the lotion on its skin.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, we found out on this tour is that Jess is afraid of sound. So lamb.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So do not specifically. That voice is apparently quite triggering.

[Jessica St. Clair]

We did this. We already did this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It came up organically.

[Jessica St. Clair]

No, it didn't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It came up organically.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Don't bring it back.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It came up organically.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, the way that Normad describes them as drug addicts is so he's like. I saw him take his left hand and push it on his nostril, and then the right hand held.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He created a miniature straw.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Out of a matchbook. He Rolled a matchbook.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Sniff up the drugs. Why did we have to hear that monologue?

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, it was a monologue of, like, the slowest details. It was like. It was as if this movie was for the visually impaired. But it like, it was like, oh, he's walk. This is wonderful. He's walking us through the scene. But we don't need all that because he's testifying about cops to cops that.

[Jessica St. Clair]

All know what doing drugs are.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So there's no. It's. It makes no sense. And thank God, Right. I'm going to say this. In the first 15 or so minutes, I must have checked the runtime 10 times. Right. And was like, it's only been five minutes. It's only been 10 minutes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then this happened. And for the rest of the movie, I was like, I'm in, baby. When they bail Huck Finn out and that whole scene unfolds, and then our guy Rick tags it with, here's a quarter. Buy yourself a personality. I was like, I'm in. I don't know why. And the rest of the movie sailed by.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah, I was.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, best clip, too. Just let's watch that for a second. Sign right here. Man.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Now look, he's thinking about how he's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Going to say it, how he do.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He's like, man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now here's Huck Finley. I just want to say one thing. Finny. Finny. From a personal observation that the accommodations here, they. I don't know, they just suck.

[Paul Scheer]

Just.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I feel really uncomfortable around him on the street.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, here's a quarter.

[Paul Scheer]

Buy yourself a personality.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And then they just hang on the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Back of the car and then they just wander out.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

That is with him at each of his locations. It's at home with him. It's outside with him. It's wherever he is. That statue or whatever is with him.

[Paul Scheer]

I was shocked. And he's talking.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He is.

[Paul Scheer]

From the. At first, we're like, okay, he's upset that Nomad has framed him.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Sure.

[Paul Scheer]

That's why he's a live wire. But then we realize, oh, he's not a live wire.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think because Norman. Norman first got him shot, right?

[Jessica St. Clair]

Didn't care because he didn't cover him. Although they were just in a field. There was no way, honestly, justice for Normad, because what could he do justice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

For the guy that killed a baby? What are you talking. This is a Satanist who murdered him. This is how we got Trump. This is how we got a second Trump. Because you're rooting for Norman Normad.

[Paul Scheer]

Hey, look, when you run a satanic church, you gotta do some stuff.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's a church.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I guess it is. And it provides community. But, yeah, he's pissed at Normad. Fine. But then what we're realizing is he. He is. Has a. It is like the heart of darkness. He's starting to lose it. He thinks everyone nailed his wife.

[Paul Scheer]

When he says that everybody. My wife is banging all my friends. Like, first of all, you're married. That has not been established. Nor we haven't you. It's hard to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm not rooting for this guy at all. He belongs in. In jail.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah, no, he's in. He belongs in an insane asylum.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But actually, that's true.

[Jessica St. Clair]

His scene with Alex, his wife is his ex.

[Paul Scheer]

Wife. I thought she was fantastic.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She was great.

[Jessica St. Clair]

She's doing phenomenal beat moment to moment work. And I do feel like. I have a feeling that John had them all over to kind of workshop some of these scenes before they. Because they really felt like, lived in.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Do you know what I mean?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. It felt like they were really living with these characters.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah, really living with the characters.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like Daniel Day Lewis becoming a cobbler.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Right. But why we have to cut in the middle of that fight to just a TV screen with static on it. And like, also, she's either she's standing in front of the TV or what, but there's shadow puppets on his face through the entire thing. The lighting of it. They would just set a light up and then just. Oh, let it rip.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yep. Oh, yeah.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Just one light.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, look, I think they have one microphone too. Because when the judge who is kicking them off of the force, he's miked when the camera's on him, far away. But when they're on the other ones, he is not mike.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Correct.

[Paul Scheer]

So they didn't either. Did they not shoot both sides? I don't understand.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, they could not do any coverage, either audio or video whatsoever. The same thing happens with Benny, the waiter at the restaurant.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah, poor.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, this is what I love about this. And I guess you can compare this movie to the room, right? Tommy Wiseau. And I think what I love about movies like this is it does also show how these men view themselves. Like, oh, I'm the guy they love. When I tell jokes, women want to fuck me.

[Jessica St. Clair]

The two jokes he tells in the restaurant are so disturbing.

[Paul Scheer]

I wrote it down.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, we have the scene. I mean, why not? This is a movie that we got to play scenes on clip three. So I got a position joke.

[Jessica St. Clair]

This is for sure. Shot in his breakfast nook in his. His house in Marina del Rey.

[Paul Scheer]

The doctor says, hey, you got a disrobe?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She says, I'm very shy.

[Paul Scheer]

Can we turn the lights off?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He says, okay. He turns the lights off.

[Paul Scheer]

She takes her clothes off and she.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Says, doctor, where should I put them?

[Paul Scheer]

He says, right over here on top of my.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love that he referred to that in the setup as a position. I've got a position joke for you.

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This guy with a duck. I don't think we classify jokes like this. Can I help you? The duck says, yeah, get this guy off my ass.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And then she has to laugh at it.

[Paul Scheer]

You always have a good job.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Look it, she deserves an Academy Award.

[Jessica St. Clair]

She does.

[Paul Scheer]

I'M not kidding. She's amazing because she looks like she is in love with him. Here's what I love. After he tells that doctor joke, and I think it's after he tells the one about the duck, he goes, quite a profession.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Incredible. Doctor's quite.

[Paul Scheer]

Quite a profession.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's got throwaway lines like that throughout that art church. Like, quite a.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, it's like. Well, you know, it's like. And it is a true story. Quite a profession.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here's. Here's the other one that he has that I was like my scrambled my brain. He goes, how about we drink to new beginnings? Let's hope they never end. Wait a minute. What now? Hang on. I'm going to. I really want to examine that. Let's hope new beginnings never end.

[Jessica St. Clair]

They have to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think that if you're successful at this, it has. The beginning can't be persistent.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, but here's what I think. Midway through the movie, I wrote down, this isn't an action movie. This is a romance.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

This is a straight up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is a love story.

[Jessica St. Clair]

It is. And you know, now I'm thinking about it, I actually think this pairing makes sense. Because if you are somebody who participated, even unwillingly, in the murder of a baby, who is going to take you in and. And accept you for that, not only.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Take you in and accept you, but take you in and accept you immediately.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Right. Is a guy like this, this guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He is unfazed when she says that they killed a human baby.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Right. So in a lot of ways, this May December romance makes a lot of sense.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I was laughing at the guy named Scar, and I'll tell you why. You know, one guy's name's Snake, the other guy's name's Scar. Now, I assume that Scar got the Scar because he's a bad guy. He's done some stuff. When do you make that transition of the name? That's what I kept on thinking about. When do you become Scar? Is it like he was Ralph Scar? Well, but I'm saying, was he Ralph until that one bad fight?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I think so, for sure.

[Paul Scheer]

And then, and then you go, like, don't call me Ralph anymore. Now I. I don't know why I went down. This movie opened my brain to thoughts I've never really had.

[Jessica St. Clair]

It's like doing acid. I really feel like we all did ketamine.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And we're seeing and making connections that we weren't able to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I really went over there. I think it's interesting and what you're getting at is that every single character could be the lead of this movie, including Scar, including sideburns guy.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I did do some research on Scar and I found out that he did do double duty as wardrobe.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Incredible. So he sourced all the leather.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He also felt like, because scene to scene, his scars a little different. And I feel like. So like someone handed him like an eyeliner and said, have at it. You know, just try to make it like last night.

[Paul Scheer]

Just do it.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Sometimes it's, you know.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, these guys, I mean, these guys are. The thing I like about this movie too is like these guys, everyone's drinking a beer. Always.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Always.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There's men.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That's what men do, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Even the little kid at the strip club is drinking a beer. That little kid who calls, who narcs on the strip club. First of all, it's an arcade bar that. Then that.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Wait, why did they start stripping?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Rick sings an eight minute country western song and then a woman comes out and strips. Now there's a child who's been drinking a beer. And the child who's been drinking a beer is outraged at the strip club.

[Jessica St. Clair]

As she should be.

[Paul Scheer]

But doesn't her mom borrow the food.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Phone and calls the cops?

[Paul Scheer]

And doesn't her mom say, I've seen worse stuff in your bedroom?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Like what?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, what?

[Paul Scheer]

If you see, by the way, it reminds me that John, John de Hart, when he comes into that bar scene, that woman leaves, she goes, I got a lot of stuff going on. She leaves her beer there and he just takes a sip of her beer before his is brought to him by Huck, who says, beer, friend, beer. Like that's the other thing Huck is doing, like we said, improv out the ass. And I kind of love it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, he's giving a performance that is at least keeping us like off balance and guessing because. Because Rick is, he's. His character is stoic. I think he thinks he's doing like a. A Clint Eastwood type of Dirty Harry kind of guy. But when in this whole scene leads up to the. The he sings the song, it's the strip club. The kid calls the cops, the bad guys show up. They try and capture and kidnap Cindy. Cindy and Huck and Rick beat the shit out of the guys clumsily.

[Paul Scheer]

Like a Six Flags stunt show. It's like Batman Forever Live every day, every 45 minutes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

They don't make any contact with the other person's body. The. The amount of women who are slapped should have upset me, but it didn't because they're never hurt. They're just like, slap. Don't do that. Slap. I said, I love you. Slap.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, they say the word in this movie all the time.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Like, got that bitch in my men's studies class. For sure we're going to be studying this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We get at this point afterwards to the first Rick and Cindy sex scene, which I just want to read my stream of consciousness reaction to. Okay, this is how it occurred to me in the room earlier today, talking into my phone while watching. Okay, the first thing it says, please tell me there's a soundtrack for this on an app. Okay, Next, they are in real time undressing each other clumsily. She's biting his shoulder. Does his shirt never come off? He's doing the ice cube down the right leg thing. Seduction thing. Oh, wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is this movie question mark now? It's like a Cinemax movie question mark, but worse. Somehow, inexplicably, that's what I. That's what me. Imagine you're in the room next door and you hear me screaming these words, stoned in my hotel room.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Poor, poor Cindy.

[Paul Scheer]

Watching her come in for a kiss, she did something I've never seen on screen before, which is open her mouth. She comes forward like, ah. Like Pac Man. Yes, chief, Pac Man.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Ready for it?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, she is. It is a wide. It's a wide berth.

[Paul Scheer]

But I will say she doesn't seem like whatever they have.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Like, I feel like I don't see the disgust that we should.

[Paul Scheer]

Right, exactly.

[Jessica St. Clair]

So either they did have some chemistry, which is disgusting.

[Paul Scheer]

Right.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Or she's the best actress in the world. Either way, justice and Cindy. She's fabulous.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way. I just saw in my notes after giving him all this props for the shimmy slide, he didn't write it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who did? Is it a cover?

[Paul Scheer]

He said he bought the rights to it and put his voice on it. So maybe he really didn't know the lyrics.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love it. I love it. Absolutely fantastic. This movies. I really. I can't. I'm jumping ahead so much, but I can't recommend this movie enough because so much of what we are talking about, so many of the scenes are undone by music that is so present, so forward. In the Huck and his ex wife scene, it is as if someone has opened up the drum option in a Casio keyboard and is just doing this. It is abject chaos on the soundtrack in a way that is so crazy and wild that I would believe if an eighth grader had made it, you know, it felt.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah, because we all got one of those keyboards. You know, your mother would be like, shut the up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Symbol, symbol, symbol. Bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo. Hi hat, hi hat, hi hat. Bass drum, snare drum. Bongo, bungo, bungo, bungo. That's what it is. The whole. We'll have them put it in right now so that you can hear it while you're listening to the podcast. How intrusive and competitive it is to have this level of nonsense drumming happening.

[Paul Scheer]

I, I, I love that scene because he goes, you didn't care when you were at the Beverly center, which is like a mid tier mall.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Gross mall. Yeah, it's a gross mall.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. While you were at the Nordstrom rack.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

He's like buying all that stuff, like on a cop salary.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Well, if, if his buddy moves out and all that is left is that futon.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And that one. TV also. That's all he has.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Also these guys imagine a world. And again, I think this movie imagines that these are younger people. Imagine a world in which two men in their 60s are roommates after having been cops for only seven years. So that means Rick became a cop when he was in his 40s, which.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Is hard to do just to pass the physical.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hang on. Somebody could do it.

[Paul Scheer]

I bet he's not running around. He's not running too fast.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, I bet if you, like, work that.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You could probably do it.

[Paul Scheer]

It's such a wild, it's a, it's a wild turn of events because the fact that that guy becomes a judge as if that's the trajectory of cops. It's like, you kiss the boss's ass, you'll become a judge.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I loved it. I loved it. And it's also absolutely clear that when he's a judge, his judge's robes are, are the priest's robes from the funeral.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And the wedding.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Because I thought, is that like when they cut your hair, they put a robe, like maybe they ran over to the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I believe it's so tight.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, it is. It's because it's tight around the collar like that tight.

[Jessica St. Clair]

You can't afford a judge's robe.

[Paul Scheer]

And yet he was going to, he was going to side over the trial of Huck. We had a trial in this movie. Huck goes to jail twice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Huck goes to jail twice.

[Paul Scheer]

And when he's there, drinks all the fucking cleaning fluid.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Bleach. Bleach. Rick says, you did the bleach thing and then he goes, you did that bleach thang?

[Jessica St. Clair]

What survived that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You kidding me? Drank bleach trying to commit suicide? What are you talking about? Huck is in rough shape.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He's in rough shape, and then because.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Of this, he is just free. Because he attempts to unalive himself, he becomes free and he's allowed to just.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Smoke in his bed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He gets to go home. He's cool. His voice is fine.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are you leaving?

[Paul Scheer]

I wasn't going to the pad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was gonna.

[Paul Scheer]

I was gonna go out here.

[Jessica St. Clair]

It's been a long week.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Can we get house lights, please? Can we get fully house lights?

[Paul Scheer]

I realize I never go to the front row for questions, but I see you have a great notebook full of very nice handwriting. All right. What's your name?

[Jessica St. Clair]

Elaine.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, and what's your question?

[Jessica St. Clair]

Okay, I wanna go back to the henchman. Scar with that? Yes, yes. With his eyeliner. Scar. So this movie came out in 1993. The Lion King came out in 1994.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow. I love this. I love this.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Wow. Making connects. See what I mean? We're all on ketamine. We're making connections.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would love it.

[Jessica St. Clair]

We're seeing the Clockwork. Else.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is Carl Jung's collective unconscious.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes. Okay. So, yeah. Do you think that Scar was. Scar from Lion King was inspired by scar from.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

100%, absolutely.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. And I believe John what's his name has a great case. I would believe he would have sued Disney by now if there was any truth to that.

[Paul Scheer]

But you could see the animators at Pixar getting a copy of this somehow. Yeah, I love it. All right. Yes. Your name, Your question. My name is Amelia. Why was every woman in the wedding scene wearing a white dress? Great question.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I believe they were like, we're not sure who's gonna get married, so everybody wear a wedding dress or Scar, who did wardrobe, showed up with just all wedding dresses and they were like. He was like, I didn't get. I didn't understand the assignment.

[Jessica St. Clair]

John, you didn't call me back. You took those pills and then you went to sleep. And nobody let me know what we needed for the day.

[Paul Scheer]

I blame Scar. Scar should have gotten everybody different outfits. Yes. Your name, Your question?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, actually, my name's Rodney. Looking at the hat, I'm surprised the hats haven't come up yet. So they're just black hats from, like, a truck stop that they colored over with the Magic Marker.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. They definitely are. Again, that Scar do. Doing a lot with a little, you know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I'm sure he was given $0. Except for I think he had a pretty sizable leather budget.

[Paul Scheer]

But also flexible leather. Like track pants.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Like a pleather.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, pleather.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, he vacillates between like a sweatsuit type of look. Always tucked in and just top to bottom leather. But not in a leather daddy kind of way. In like a blousy leather 80s kind of way.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Keep it loose. Everyone wants to see their leather.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It feels like all of it is. Is. Was a. Is like from a woman's closet in Aspen in 1987.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Absolutely.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's where they got leather came from.

[Paul Scheer]

Everything came from an estate sale.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Your name? Your.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My name is Jenna. Did John de Hart sleep with Huck's wife? Because methinks he does protest too much. Oh, is that. Is that. Is that Hamlet? Is that Hamlet's writing? Are you quoting Hamlet's writing?

[Jessica St. Clair]

Wonderful callback. I really don't think. I really believe that he is a stand up guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I do too.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And a good friend. But his friend is clearly having a nervous breakdown and he can't shut up about those fucking wedding plans. Not only he shows up and his friend is clearly lost his mind. He is having a psychotic break. He's like, hope to see you on Sunday.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Even Bet. Even before that. Even before that, he's like, how come you can't be happy for me that Cindy and I are back together yet? I was like, my dude, Huck is losing his mind. He's having a. Huck has dyed hair, drank bleach. Yes, he drank bleach. That's a cry for help.

[Paul Scheer]

He has dyed his hair. He is in a pool with women in bikinis talking about. And he says Israelites in a way that I've never heard it said.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Israeliites. It says Israelites.

[Paul Scheer]

Israeliites.

[Jessica St. Clair]

What's up with the. Why is. Why is their hair dyed red? Why?

[Paul Scheer]

Because Huck Finn.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Oh, because of Huck Finn?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, the whole thing.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I felt like that was his pitch. That was. That his pitch was like, what if it's a whole Huck Finn thing?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, get ready, Jason. Oh, boy. Because John was fucked up on pain pills. He was not able to be at that pool scene.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Oh, no.

[Paul Scheer]

And didn't know what that scene was until he saw it in the dailies and said he was quite surprised.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Including. Incredible.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That's incredible.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's so good. Everything you're telling us, Paul, is so, so good.

[Paul Scheer]

It's.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I'm now thinking that actor who's done all this work, but he's probably been like, you Know more supporting roles. This was his chance to flex his dramatic muscle.

[Paul Scheer]

Everyone here is making an acting reel. Like, they're all like, this is going to get me to the next level.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

And you know what? They were right. Your name?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Alex.

[Paul Scheer]

Your question?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I wanted to know if you notice at the end of. The end of the scene where they're having sex after the wedding, he puts, like, a champagne glass on the side table, but he, like his fumbling around, and then again, hand grabs it. Say it again. Yeah. So a hand grabs the champagne. You see the hand. How many times do you think he dropped the champagne? Because he said, fuck it, I'm gonna grab it.

[Paul Scheer]

So he went. He went to go put it on a side table, but then somebody grabs it before he puts it down. So it's like something. This is like my favorite.

[Jessica St. Clair]

A random hand.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jessica St. Clair]

No, Another person's hand comes in.

[Paul Scheer]

My friend worked. My friend was an ad. Worked on Lifetime movies, worked with a very famous actress. And every time they would say cut, she would drop whatever she was holding in her hand.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That's a diva move.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. And so they always had to make sure that they didn't call cut until something was down or they had someone underneath her with, like, a blanket to catch the things.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like a big pool net.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, and.

[Paul Scheer]

And I do feel like that's. You're right. I think that glass broke many times. By the way, we didn't talk about the strip scene on the night of the wedding.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Incredible, incredible stuff. The whole wedding is crazy. I mean, I could talk about that forever. I could talk. The bathtub scene is deserving of at least an hour of our time.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Portland, first of all, is that his bathtub? His real bathtub?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And why is it a nautical theme? Yeah, why is there a genuine nautical theme? There's like, a fishing net behind him on the wall and all this crap. Also, he keeps trying to feed her champagne from a glass awkwardly. There's a second glass there. Pour her her own champagne.

[Paul Scheer]

I am in the lower balcony. What do you have? What's your name? What's your question?

[Jessica St. Clair]

Christina. It's more of a comment about Normad. I read an interview with John de Hart where they asked him what's up with the name Normed? And he said it was a typo, that it was meant to be Norman.

[Paul Scheer]

Amazing. Amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Incredible stuff.

[Paul Scheer]

They couldn't afford the white out to make the fix. All right. Yes. Your name, your question. I'm Scott. So did you notice that when Huck was ironing his jeans, he put Budweiser on them to get the creases out.

[Jessica St. Clair]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

That's a good tip.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And why you gotta do that? Especially if it's raw denim?

[Jessica St. Clair]

If you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If it's Japanese salvage denim, you gotta soak it in beer.

[Jessica St. Clair]

If you are two men in your 60s living together, you don't want to come home and see your bro pantsless ironing like that's every night for them. He's just pantsless.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, I will say beer on jeans. I'm sure you can find a TikTok that tells you to do that. Oh, Nickelodev Ultra. That's the one that you got to use.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You shouldn't be washing your denim. You should just be soaking it in a hoppy ipa.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Your name, your question. Ryan. Less of a question, more. You guys missed out on Wing Hauser's greatest credit, which is that he's Coalhouser's father.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, wow.

[Paul Scheer]

And that's why he looks right. Because I was thinking about that. I was like, yes. Do you have it? Yes. Also, his de escalation method when in with his ex wife is fit in her face.

[Jessica St. Clair]

That's tough.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, you know what she was asking for that alimony.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, by the way, what about.

[Jessica St. Clair]

When she has her boobs out? And she said, and you never knew what to do with.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

What did she say?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That is what she says when she rips her own shirt off to frame him.

[Paul Scheer]

I don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We never knew what to do with these either.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Either.

[Paul Scheer]

I will say, that ring falls to me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What you don't know.

[Paul Scheer]

Women are like, you don't know how to use my breast.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The bedroom.

[Paul Scheer]

You don't know how to use these.

[Jessica St. Clair]

You know what? Every woman wants her boobs to be used in the right way. It's what we dream of as little girls. Someday someone, a man's going to come along and know how to use boobs. Show me how you spend all that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Time being like, well, I can't wait till I have usable boobs. I can't wait till I've got a usable boob.

[Paul Scheer]

Who's got the question?

[Jessica St. Clair]

So you guys didn't talk about one of my favorite lines of the movie. And he uses it a few times, so I think he wanted it to be the catchphrase in the bar. Someone says, ready to get hurt? And our hero says, not a problem. Yeah, yeah. And he says that about hell. I'll say, see you in hell. And he says, not a problem. What does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? I will be in Hell, and I'm cool with it.

[Paul Scheer]

Not a problem. I'll get there. I'll get there when I'm good and damn ready. He's cool in all situations.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He is.

[Paul Scheer]

Back row of the balcony, last row, first row.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, are they also wearing costumes?

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Nothing. Go ahead.

[Paul Scheer]

Great costumes. Great costumes. Up here. We got some great costumes. All right. Who's gonna ask a question? Hi. Such a pleasure. Was I the only one? So first I listened to the end of a little bit of a director's commentary on the. On the film. I don't know if you were aware of. No. He talks about how he's such a method actor, the whole history of theater, which makes me wonder, was he actually falling asleep in the bathtub scene when Cindy was earning, like, Academy Award after Academy Award? Think those. I think what we can take away from this movie is back meds are fucking serious.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I loved it. I loved it. In ripped. In multiple scenes, he's kind of like.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Like, they're just like, john, John, don't go under the water. John's under the water.

[Paul Scheer]

12 hour days are a bitch. All right, another back row, gentlemen. How are you? What's your name?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hi, I'm Garrett. Two things. Wings Hauser actually passed away on March 15th. Oh, and then. I know none of you are necessarily financial advisors. How do you know that?

[Paul Scheer]

John has a lot of things. We could have a lot of things, too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How do you know that in this tumultuous economy? Do you recommend taking my gas bill, my electric bill, my landlord, shooting it and then flushing it down the toilet? Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yes, do it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That is efficiency at work. We are getting efficient in this government and we gotta shoot all of our bills.

[Jessica St. Clair]

It was the tiniest gun, too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, it's like a tiny little Darren thing.

[Jessica St. Clair]

It wasn't working. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a gun clicks and nothing comes out, we're out of bullets. Igo clicks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, what are you saying?

[Jessica St. Clair]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What have you heard?

[Jessica St. Clair]

But it felt like there was a malfunction in this toy gun.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, because it's. It probably only has two bullets in it and he has, like a bunch of. Of shit. He's got too many bills.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He has so many bills.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank God he expended all the bullets on those bills because when his ex wife came over, he would have shot her.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, we talked about, did you know, maybe Pixar see this film and title one of their characters Scar? But he did say this is supposed to be a surrealist movie. All right? It was shot a year Before Pulp Fiction. And he believes it's kind of the inspiration for Pulp Fiction.

[Jessica St. Clair]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Of course I see. We all see it.

[Paul Scheer]

He also says, but really, where he takes inspiration is from Clockwork Orange.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Of course, we all see that this is Kubrickian in its intensity and it's. It's scintillating analysis of violence.

[Paul Scheer]

The government killed Kennedy. That's what's hidden in the this movie. That all the clues are there. Just like Kubrick's the Shining said that we faked the moon landing. This showed that we killed Kennedy. Here's the rub. The movie is based on a true story. Sean was a limo driver, and one of his routine clients was a young 20 year old. One night, she started crying and confessed that she had been witness to a satanic cult in Riverside county where a baby was sacrificed.

[Jessica St. Clair]

No. What are you talking about?

[Paul Scheer]

Not wanting to push her for more details since she was so distraught, he figured he would ask her some other time. A week after her confession, she was dead.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Whoa.

[Paul Scheer]

From a motorcycle accident, which he suspects was homicide. The police labeled it an accident, but John believed it was deliberate. So he put out an award for any information. And that prompted the police to raid his home, believing he was responsible.

[Jessica St. Clair]

What? My God.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So not only does he not solve this murder, he becomes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He gets framed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He becomes a person of interest.

[Paul Scheer]

And that is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow. Now, obviously there are a lot of people out there that have different opinions about this movie. But now it is time for us to hear a second opinion.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Is there more softcore porn in this one? Huck was dying, but now he's in contempt and drinking beer. So shimmy sliding cowboy gear, sex in the bath, and covens that aren't great with children. Another shot for the poet who thinks you look good in that thong. Fake your death and save your change. Cause we're saving up for a new person personality recording bad sound while these people get down. So thankful this movie is streaming. I'll be your polyester puppet. I give this movie 5 stars. Champagne and bullets.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Amazing. What's your name?

[Paul Scheer]

What's your name?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's your name?

[Jessica St. Clair]

Oh, my name's Jane.

[Paul Scheer]

Amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Give it up. Oh, you know what? I'm mad. I forgot to do. I wanted to like they do a lot in the. In the Satanist scene, there will be just like an off camera, like, we love you, Satan. Yeah, I wanted to just pepper that in throughout the show. We love you, Satan. We love you, Satan. It's so casual.

[Jessica St. Clair]

We love you, Satan.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I'll tell you this much. This Is an interesting one. There are no reviews for this movie on Amazon.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There are no reviews for any of the three versions.

[Paul Scheer]

I guess maybe this version. There are four total reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. None of them are five stars. So we've kind of pulled these from different spots. This one is from Cooper. Steve, 67 and wrote would have given this 10 stars. If I could have heard the conversation at the restaurant over the chewing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's incredible. The chewing is so. So. The chewing song are so loud.

[Paul Scheer]

And then says Wings. Hauser is lovable as Huck, but obviously Brad Pitt used it for inspiration in 12 Monkeys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, yes. Very much feels that way.

[Paul Scheer]

Ends his review by saying the bail bond scene was very informative. There were more paperwork instructions given by the bail bondsman than I ever got when my family was in trouble.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Wow. Because that's true. There was a very long scene. If you remember. He's like, we have to duplicate this. We got a sign here. Hold on a second.

[Paul Scheer]

More signings from conceptual editing. This is written. I've been, and I am a mainstream film editor flex since 1985. I viewed this film Road to Revenge more than once. Each time has been better. John de Hart, Wings Hauser and William Smith give magnificent performance. The message is good over evil and it's delivered in a surrealist style. This is a stand up film that is character driven with substance and good continuity. This movie is worth seeing over and over. You'll come away with something new each time. I am one of the many that really appreciate the work. If you check the rating votes, you'll see that every lady voted gave it 10 stars.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

I happen to be a man. This is John. Yeah. This might be a joke.

[Jessica St. Clair]

This is John. I think that's John.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, maybe it is.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I don't think it's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sure it is. Because of the use of the word surrealist.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Yeah, it's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

John thinks it's a surrealist tone poem.

[Paul Scheer]

If you haven't seen this movie, you might need to die.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank, by the way. Thank God we watched it.

[Paul Scheer]

And then this one also from Letterbox from Chiveonion. Apparently you can just make a movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Yes.

[Jessica St. Clair]

And that's what's so inspiring about it. Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, like, shame on us for not doing it.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jessica St. Clair]

150%.

[Paul Scheer]

He said, you know, self finance. He said he could have retired three times over if he would have just not done this. Yeah. Jason, what do you want to plug?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I don't want to plug. I. I still have things to talk about in this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, of course. By the way, I didn't ask the question.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How about when they go to her parents house and they're so mean to Cindy, right? There's so mean to her and she's acting like that. She was caught smoking. She was caught killing a baby. Her parents are right, she's bad.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, wait. I remember a moment that I want to talk about at the end when they're making the big drug deal. This is a drug deal that's going to change the game. The guy like, he's like, well, we're going to have a long relationship if you figure out how to get more of this. And then the guy calls his supplier to say it's good. Goes, you speak English in my house. Why are we taking this stand?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How about after Cindy's killed, when there's a whole scene that takes place between Huck and Rick where Rick is just hitting a heavy bag. Rick's just like, bam, bam, bam. And it's so loud. It's as loud in the mix as the chewing sounds.

[Paul Scheer]

Here's a fun fact about John de Hart. Not a fan of action films.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Boy, he would have thought, he would have studied them. Maybe that's why some of the connective tissue is missing in this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

This was meant to be his demo reel. That would have launched his acting career because he was tired of never being cast as a lead.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The. The tub sex scene, they go back to sex twice. They go back to twice. And there is, let me be clear. In that scene, a song that is being sung that has an extensive spoken word portion of the song.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I didn't see that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I saw the shorter version.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, you are you.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Oh, I'm missing it. You're gonna go back and you're worth for it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's so good.

[Paul Scheer]

I'll go around the horn here. Do you Recommend this movie?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

100% yes. I cannot recommend this enough. This is. If you haven't seen this, but you're listening to the episode. This is in the realm of the Miami connection. This is in the realm of birdemic.

[Paul Scheer]

This is in the high. This is really one of the greats.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is absolutely phenomenal. Samurai Cop. Didn't we.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, that one absolutely did.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That felt very homemade.

[Paul Scheer]

And Scar is in Samurai Cop, is he? Yep.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Fuck yeah. As Scar. Is he Scar in everything? The Scar reverse.

[Paul Scheer]

I love the Scar verse, Jess.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I'm different. I've changed. And I don't know if it's a good thing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, at the end of this tour, how do you feel?

[Jessica St. Clair]

I feel unwell.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, will you do a breakdown of this tour on the deep dive?

[Jessica St. Clair]

I hate to give men more of a. Of a platform than this than these last five movies have been given, but no, I. Here's the thing. This movie takes you on a journey. You, you, you hate that you're watching it and then you realize that he lives in all of us.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Do you know what I mean?

[Paul Scheer]

We are persuaded.

[Jessica St. Clair]

He's braver than any of us have ever been. To put your art out there.

[Paul Scheer]

I would love you to interview him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

On the deep dive? Honestly, it would be fantastic.

[Jessica St. Clair]

Bless him. Bless him for taking the. The risk and giving us all this joy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

True leap of faith. A true leap of faith. To put something this personal out there.

[Paul Scheer]

100 and maybe stopping and maybe stopping a real life satanic cult. We don't know.

[Jessica St. Clair]

I feel like we skated over that. This is based on a true story is just crazy.

[Paul Scheer]

I love it. There's nothing more to say. More then. Thank you, Michael Weber, for recommending this film, bringing it to Portland.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You have been an amazing audience.

[Paul Scheer]

Give it up for Jason Mansukas.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Jessica Sinclair.

[Paul Scheer]

I am Paul Shear. Thank you so much for being here.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Eat Portland. Eat.

[Paul Scheer]

That's a wrap on our Doppelganger Tour. A big thank you to Jessica Sinclair as she helped us retitle The Doppelganger Tour 2. Yes. The Beefcake Tour. We had such a great time with Jess and now June will be back full time. But a big thank you to our tour manager, Beth Thomas and the amazing staff at the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall. Now, our T shirt for this episode is pretty great. It's John de Hart's face on a quarter with the inscription Satan allegedly. And the quote, here's a quarter. Buy yourself a personality. Just click on the merch [e-mail] and buy this shirt and more. You can even get our official how did this get made hats. It's all@hdt gm.com now. We're going to hear your thoughts next week on the Last Looks episode. So give me a call at 619p a u l a S K or just go to our discord at Discord GG hdtgm. Now, here's the thing. Jason's going to be back on Last Looks. We're going to get into a lot of fun stuff. I want to let you know though, if you've not gotten your copy of Joyful Recollections of Trauma right now it's 50% off at Barnes and Noble in store and online until September 1st. So here's your chance. No more excuses. Go on and get yourself a copy of Joyful Recollections of Trauma and make sure that you are going to the movies to see June Diane Rayfield in Weapons and Freakier Friday as well as the new season of the Great American Baking show where she will be performing alongside my fellow Team Sanity member Casey Wilson. You can watch that on the Roku Channel app. Remember, if you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us and we appreciate it a lot. And last but not least, I gotta thank our entire team for whom the show could not be done without I am talking about our producers Scott Sonny and Molly Reynolds, our movie picking producer Avril Halley and our engineer Casey Holford. That's all I got. I'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now. Adam Pally here and I'm John Gabris. We're a couple actors and best friends who you may know as the host of the TV show 101 Places to Party before you die. Now we're bringing you a comedic look at health and wellness with our new show Staying Alive. We'll have guests like our friend actor Jerry O', Connell, ketamine therapist Dr. Stephen Radowitz, Paul Scheer, Ego Wodom, Gillian Bell, Dr. Dolittle staying alive with John Gabrison. Adam Pally is out right now. Get them a week early and ad free with SiriusXM podcast plus on Apple Podcasts. Summer's heating up and so is the action with chumba casino and 23xi racing. Whether you're trackside with Bubba, Riley and Tyler or cooling off at home, the fun never stops at Chumba Casino, the online social casino packed with free to play games like slots, blackjack and more. Jump into [e-mail] and score your free welcome bonus 2 million free gold coins and 2 free sweeps coins. No purchase necessary. VGW Group Void where prohibited by law. CTNC is 21 + sponsored by Chumba Casino.