Date with an Angel LIVE!

Summary

How Did This Get Made? — Date with an Angel (LIVE in Minneapolis)

Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas
Episode Date: February 13, 2026

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Overview

The HDTGM gang returns for a Valentine’s-adjacent special, breaking down 1987’s utterly bizarre “romantic comedy” Date with an Angel—live from chilly Minneapolis. As always, comedy ensues as Paul, June, and Jason marvel at the film’s oddball blend of romance, supernatural nonsense, slapstick, and Reagan-era capitalist parody. They puzzle over character motivations, attempt to follow the movie’s logic (or lack thereof), and go deep on Phoebe Cates, "party ninjas", and the sentence “He kicked me in my heiny.” This is a celebration—and a roast—of one of the strangest films to ever combine angels, brain tumors, and violent heiresses.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Setting the Scene

• (02:48) Paul introduces the film: “We are live for the first time ever in Minnesota. ... We are here to warm your heart with a romantic comedy about a man with a brain tumor who falls in love with an angel with a broken wing.”
• Jason and Paul riff on the glut of terrible 1987 movies—this one included—and set the comedic, skeptical tone for the night.

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The Experience of Watching (06:32 – 13:24)

• June describes her emotional roller coaster: “This is the worst thing I’ve ever seen. This is my favorite movie. I love this movie. How long do I have till it’s over? I hope it never ends. Like, I really was so fraught the whole time.” (06:45, June)
• Jason summarizes the chaos: “This movie is a roller coaster ride. ... At every turn I was like, is this a love story? Who are these people?” (07:13)

Sudden Plot Shifts & The Ending

• The group points out how the plot “changes on a dime” in the final two minutes, squeezing vital exposition into the last 30 seconds and then smash-cutting to credits:
  “Everything gets explained in 30 seconds, then hard cut to credits. I was like, wow. Okay, movie.” (07:35, Jason)

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The “Heiny” Obsession (09:09 – 10:16)

• Extended riff on the film’s constant use of the word “heiny.”
  • “My guess is it was written longhand and somebody was handed pages … transcribing four ‘heinies’ in a row from multiple people.” (10:01, Jason)
• June expresses earnest admiration (and some confusion) for Phoebe Cates, and jokes about the script’s wild physical and tonal choices.

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The “Romance” and Problematic Male Lead (11:05 – 13:52)

• The hosts compare Date with an Angel to Splash, noting critical shortcomings, especially a mute central character and a lead you just can’t root for.
  • “The movie should be about Phoebe Cates, who is being blown off by her father, who he is leaving high and dry for an angel. I’m so sorry.” (11:05, Jason)
• They discuss the odd sexual dynamics and problematic behaviors (the “dream makeout,” voyeuristic moments), with June stating:
  • “She just loves smoochies. That’s the T-shirt.” (13:00, Jason & June)
• June: “No, all his friends in this movie are murderous psychopaths.” (13:39)

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Genre Mashup and Unhinged Tonal Shifts (13:54 – 23:39)

• Paul: “It’s E.T. and Splash together. They even do a phone home joke.” (13:48)
• They marvel at the randomness of the film’s structure:
  • “Heaven, engagement party, terrorists. That’s five minutes.” (21:49, Paul)
• June (re: lead’s brain tumor): “He’s dying of a brain tumor. That’s the only thing we need to know about him. We can’t know him.” (23:39)
• June: “He’s in the rain, completely dry... I don’t think Tad is a comedic actor.” (24:11; 24:33, Paul)

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Comparing to Splash, Silent Lead, and Chemistry (25:53 – 27:54)

• The angel character doesn’t speak; it’s a romance with no dialogue on one side.
• Jason: “They can’t have chemistry. If her only choice is to just be constantly leaning in to give a death smoochie—that’s the shirt. Death smoochie.” (26:27)
• The group declares the male lead “set up to fail” and all agree they want Phoebe Cates and the angel to run away together.

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Party Ninjas & Bizarre Bachelor Party (31:07 – 34:20)

• The “Party Ninjas” provide prime comic fodder—a crew with a pathetic bachelor party and an inexplicable plot to kidnap and exploit an angel.
• Jason: “The bachelor party seems to have been for four people.” (31:35)
• “It was too early for a bachelor party ... I was like, is the wedding in the next few days?” (32:08–32:33, June & Jason)

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Logic Fails: Water Displacement, Wings, Angels (34:23 – 43:24)

• The hosts obsess over the movie's physical logic:
  • “When we go back out to that pool and see the water displacement from her 120-pound body... she has lifted out, I want to say four feet of water.” (34:48, June)
• The angel’s broken wing—solved by audience participation:
  • Audience: “Because she hit the satellite!” (35:42)
• The hosts get meta, questioning not just the plot’s internal logic but its relationship to reality, myth, and theological implications.
  • Paul: “No one’s like, check her wings. She’s just a kook. Nope. Okay, she’s an angel.” (44:19)

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Non-sequiturs, Digressions, and Notable Comic Bits

• The group detours into tales of awkward restaurant and sushi chef experiences, riffing on culinary authenticity and weird food tips. (45:13–49:54)
• Paul tells a story of being mistaken for Jon Cryer and Robin Williams. (50:06–51:59)

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Voice of the Angel: Behind-the-Scenes Revelations (55:54 – 59:02)

• Discovering the angel’s “otherworldly” voice was a post-production solution; an expert dubbed in a composite of “musical tracks, strange sounds, and speechlike but not too speechlike” elements.
  • “I basically replaced her voice for about 90% of the film ... and [the sound designer] came up with this composite voice for her.” (Transcript, voice actor anonymous)
• Jason jokes: “Put a beat to it, this could be Enya ... this is better than the whole movie.” (58:45)
• June: “At the end when she says she’s supposed to make music with him, I was like, with that voice?” (59:12)

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The Tumor “Twist” and Fundamental Plot Flaws (62:12 – 63:16)

• Paul: “I would say the brain tumor is played very low. ... Yes, you’ve given me clues, but it's not shocking me because I’m watching a priest smoke a joint. I’m watching guns get fired. ... I’m watching a guy get bit on the ass by a dog.” (62:30)
• Jason posits: “Is it a better movie if she’s not an angel, but to him, because of his tumor, he thinks she’s an angel?” (62:52)
  • “Or dare I say it, and I know we forbid it—is it better as a Jacob's Ladder scenario?” (63:16, Paul)

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Audience Q&A Highlights

Capitalism and Angels

• Audience member: “Do you think this movie is about capitalism?”
• June: “The friends’ first response to the angel is to get money. Monetize it. And Phoebe Cate’s dad, his first response is to make her the model.”
• Jason: “This is a scathing indictment of 20th-century capitalism ... everyone just sees an angel and sees dollar signs.” (67:49)

Authenticity of Angelic Encounter

• Paul: “But the other thing is ... they accepted her as an angel. She does nothing angelic. She’s got these wings.”
• Jason: “Do you think there are angel wing authenticators?” (68:30)

Physical Comedy

• Audience highlights physical gags like the dog bite:
• Jason: "I loved the dad after he’s been bit on the butt, which is like midway through the movie—on the hiney. After he’s bit on the hiney for the rest of the movie he does a lot sitting down and then jumping up and be like ‘Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh! My heiny!’” (73:41)

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Reviewing the Reviews: Amazon and Old-School Siskel & Ebert (77:38 – 81:47)

• Reads scathing and adoring real-life reviews.
• Replays an old Siskel & Ebert clip on Emmanuel Béart’s performance.
• Jason: “There are a few movies that are as bad as this one.” (78:33)

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Final Thoughts: Would You Recommend It?

• All three hosts—resoundingly, yes!
  • Jason: “Yes. Forever and always.”
  • June: “This was a wonderful find.”
  • Paul: “This movie was released in a theater ... there were no questions asked. This feels like whatever you want to do, make it.” (88:31 – 89:12)
• Fun trivia: Movie bankrupted its studio, but was nominated for Best Fantasy Film at the 1988 Saturn Awards—losing to The Princess Bride.

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Best Quotes & Memorable Moments

“This movie is a roller coaster ride at every turn. I was like, is this a love story? Who are these people?”
—Jason Mantzoukas, 07:13

“Nobody ever kicks me in my hiney!”
—June Diane Raphael (as a character), 09:35

“He did what?”
—Paul Scheer, 09:40

“June is getting literal. Jason is getting laid. June is making shout all the monkey shots in the pain—they catch a bunch of movies while they making the... Here's a real question for you: How did this get paid?”
—Opening theme riff, 02:14–02:37

“She's up in here looking like a millennial who is eating ass.”
—Jason Mantzoukas, 10:22

“In my mind, I'm like, how is this angel gonna bring and heal he and Phoebe Cates back together? ... Nope. The angel's like, my guy—goodbye.”
—Jason, 12:18–12:25

“If the angel comes to take you away, do they—I mean, I wouldn't mind if they gave me a smooch. I wouldn't mind.”
—Jason, 15:38–15:40

“It's E.T. and Splash, like, together. They even do a phone home joke.”
—Jason, 13:48

“They have a press conference for a kidnapped woman. ... They bring out a hostage. They're like, we have a hostage."
—Jason, 70:36–70:39

“Is it a better movie if she's not an angel, but to him, because of his tumor, he thinks she's an angel?”
—Jason, 62:52

“Sexual.”
—Siskel & Ebert Review Clip, 78:14 as quoted by Jason and Paul

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Timestamp Index of Highlights

• 02:48 — Introduction & setup: the film's wild premise
• 06:45 — June’s hilarious “love/hate” viewing experience
• 09:09 — The “heiny” running gag
• 11:05 — Phoebe Cates deserved better: Splash comparisons
• 13:54 — Plot twists, genre confusion, E.T. & Splash mashup
• 21:49 — Engagement party, heaven, and terrorists within five minutes
• 31:07 — The "Party Ninjas" and the sad bachelor party
• 34:23 — Physical logic failure: angel's water displacement
• 35:42 — The satellite revelation (how the angel broke her wing)
• 44:19 — No one checks if the angel is really an angel
• 55:54 — Behind the scenes: how the angel’s voice was created
• 62:12 — The brain tumor “twist”: does it explain anything?
• 67:49 — Is this a movie about capitalism?
• 70:36 — Press conference with a kidnapped woman (?!?!?)
• 73:41 — Notable use of physical comedy—dog attack on the “heiny”
• 78:14 — Siskel & Ebert vintage review: “Sexual.”
• 88:31 — The HDTGM team recommends the movie—unironically!

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Summary Table: Episode Structure

| Timestamp | Segment | |---------------|----------------------------------------------| | 02:48 | Introduction, premise, bad movies of 1987 | | 06:45–13:52 | Cast reactions, “heiny,” Phoebe Cates focus | | 13:54–23:39 | Plot, genre confusion, tonal whiplash | | 31:07–34:20 | Party Ninjas & farcical supporting cast | | 34:23–43:24 | Physical/logic fails: pool, wings, etc. | | 55:54–59:02 | Angel’s voice: post-production solution | | 62:12–63:42 | “Is she real? Brain tumor fantasy?” | | 67:49–68:30 | Capitalism/angel as commodity | | 70:36–74:10 | Press conference & abduction absurdity | | 77:38–81:47 | Reviews, Siskel & Ebert audio | | 88:31–90:43 | Final thoughts, recommendations, trivia |

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Conclusion

Date with an Angel may be a baffling trip through 1980s cinema excess, but in the hands of the HDTGM crew it’s pure comedic gold. The live Minneapolis audience is treated to riffs on “heiny,” capitalism, and the perils of falling in love with mute celestial beings. As always, the takeaway is: even the worst movies can make for an unforgettable night—especially if you go in with friends, a healthy dose of skepticism, and an appetite for the bonkers.

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Transcript

[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzuk]

I told you it was.

[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzuk]

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[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzuk]

Cruise control Shane man big Paul in.

[Paul Shear]

The beautiful jewel Gonna take you from the grove all the way to the road Ran against the street fighter hope to blow off steam Just a sucker.

[Jason Manzuk]

Punch the eye life of Timothy Green sharp Nils murder Demic how we staying alive?

[Paul Shear]

They calling them the badass and he's on the line cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as hot cause the bad Jim Bonnie looking kind and nice Paul is June getting literal? Jason is getting laid June is making shout all the monkey shots in the pain they catch a bunch of movies while they making the Here's a real question for you. How did this get paid?

[Jason Manzuk]

What's up people of earth? And what's up, people of Minneapolis?

[Paul Shear]

We are live for the first time ever in Minnesota. And while it might be a little cold outside, we are here to warm your heart with a romantic comedy about a man with a brain tumor. Who falls in love with an angel with a broken wing. Now there's so much to say about this movie that came out in 1987. Is it a sport Splash ripoff? Yes. Even though the people behind the movie said we wrote it way before Splash, but it came out after. So I don't believe that that is true. But we're going to break down everything and we have so much supplemental material. I can't wait to dig into this movie. But before I can, I must introduce you to my co host. Please welcome to the stage Mr. Jason Man Zuk.

[Jason Manzuk]

What's up, jerks? How we do in Minneapolis? That's what I'm talking about. Minnesota. We came here.

[Paul Shear]

Jason.

[Jason Manzuk]

I'm exhausted already. It's cold.

[Paul Shear]

It's cold. A great cold. A great cold. I wore a glove.

[Jason Manzuk]

I loved it. It was brisk. It was brisk. I loved every goddamn minute of it.

[Paul Shear]

I walked here. I loved every minute of it.

[Jason Manzuk]

Walked here.

[Paul Shear]

Jason.

[Jason Manzuk]

Paul.

[Paul Shear]

Top three movies of 1987.

[Jason Manzuk]

Date with an Angel. Date with an Angel. Date with an Angel.

[Paul Shear]

You would be right. I will say this.

[Jason Manzuk]

I remember it well. 1987.

[Paul Shear]

1987 is a great year for this show. Wow. All right, there you go. Great year for the show. Beverly Hills Cop 2, Platoon, Fatal Attraction. That's not on our show. That's the top three movies of the year. But listen to this. 1987. Garbage Pail Kids Movie, Hard Ticket to Hawaii, Miami Connection, Tough Guys Don't Dance, Munchies, running man, Superman 4, hello, Mary Lou, My Demon Lover, Made in Heaven, Jaws four, Over the Top and Masters of the Universe.

[Jason Manzuk]

Now wait a minute. And in that list, we did Munchies.

[Paul Shear]

We did all those what?

[Jason Manzuk]

We've done all those movies.

[Paul Shear]

We've done all of those movies.

[Jason Manzuk]

All of Those sound terrible.

[Paul Shear]

87. Great year for movies. And I cannot believe we've waited this long to talk about this one. A movie that was in my memory but I never saw. And I want to see if someone else might have that same memory. Please welcome my other co host, Ms. June Diane Rayfield. Welcome, june. How are you?

[Jason Manzuk]

Oh, I get it. It was the angel. I missed it. I wasn't paying attention for a second.

[Paul Shear]

That was amazing. You know what? As a matter of fact, it makes me want to just jump into one of the supplemental clips I have, but I. Wait, June, where do you fall? Do you remember this movie?

[June Diane Rayfield]

So when it started, I said to Paul in the hotel room, I said, I feel like I've seen this before. And I have. I had an experience watching it where I was like, I have seen this movie before. This is the worst thing I've ever seen. This is my favorite movie. I love this movie. How long do I have till it's over? I hope it never ends. Like, I really was so fraught the whole time.

[Jason Manzuk]

This movie is a roller coaster ride at every turn. I was like, oh, it's not what I. Wait a minute. Wait, who. Is this a love story?

[Paul Shear]

For the fact that the.

[Jason Manzuk]

Who are these people?

[Paul Shear]

The fact that the entire movie changes on a dime in the last two minutes. Yes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I couldn't believe it.

[Jason Manzuk]

And explains everything.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzuk]

Everything gets explained. Explained in 30 seconds, then hard cut to credits. I was like, wow. Okay, movie.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That's the thing. This movie goes there. This movie takes risks. And there's a. Like a woodland nymph scene. And there are, I think, like baby lions.

[Jason Manzuk]

Or there's a skunk. She's. I believe she suckles a fawn. I'm 90% sure that Emmanuel Bear suckles a fawn.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yes.

[Paul Shear]

This movie was not cheap because they're on a giant soundstage and they are literally doing live action. Bambi. I mean, the way that those. They're living amongst creatures, like, legit. Like a bear. Like, you can't just be hanging out near a baby bear, because when you hang out near a baby bear, the mama bear is gonna be close when you.

[Jason Manzuk]

But that's what I'm saying. When you're watching. When you're rather watching the beginning of this movie and they're in the town and they're doing this, you don't even imagine.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You don't know shit. You don't know shit.

[Jason Manzuk]

Snow White in the forest, nuzzling animals and then becoming an angel and flying around and then zapping people with lightning. I was like.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And pushing people. Pushing people hard. Hard.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You're an angel kicking people in the ass, June. And that's Heiny.

[Jason Manzuk]

Heiny.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, I'm sorry. Heiny. Heiny.

[Jason Manzuk]

Heiny. Heiny was used so much, I wrote it down each time because I was like, we need to bring Heinie back. We need to be like, ooh, check out the heiny on this one.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, let's take a look at the heiny clip. 10. Come on, come on. You gotta show yourself.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You kicked me. My hiney.

[Jason Manzuk]

Where are you?

[Paul Shear]

Look, there's no need for this. Don't do this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Nobody ever kicks me in my hineies.

[Paul Shear]

He did what?

[June Diane Rayfield]

He hit me, Daddy. And then he kicked me in my hiney.

[Jason Manzuk]

Your hiney?

[Paul Shear]

What? Someone sat at a typewriter, not even a computer, and was like, yep, Heinie. Heine Heiney.

[Jason Manzuk]

My guess is it was written longhand and somebody was handed pages and was.

[Paul Shear]

Like, da, da, da, da.

[Jason Manzuk]

Ugh. Ugh. Again, just transcribing four hineies in a row from multiple people.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Now, I have to say, I think that Phoebe Cates deserves an Oscar for this.

[Paul Shear]

Give her.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Give her.

[Jason Manzuk]

Give her every Oscar. An egot. She's up in here looking like a millennial who is eating ass.

[June Diane Rayfield]

She.

[Paul Shear]

Is that blood or dirt on her face?

[Jason Manzuk]

It's dirt planted after the hind.

[Paul Shear]

I thought it was blood too, from getting.

[Jason Manzuk]

No.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's so crazy because I don't know. There's so much to talk about. I'm so worried about time. I'm like, dude, are we gonna have enough time? And the time clock's not on.

[Jason Manzuk]

Which is also why I'm out of time. We are in no time.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But I think the movie wants us to believe that she's the wrong choice. But she's so goddamn appealing and so wonderful.

[Paul Shear]

She's acting oddly the most normal out of anyone.

[Jason Manzuk]

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. The movie should be about Phoebe Cates, who is being, like, blown off by her father, who he is leaving her high and dry for an angel. I'm so sorry.

[Paul Shear]

No, but I would argue in Splash.

[Jason Manzuk]

Does he have. Is he engaged? Is he getting married right now?

[Paul Shear]

No.

[Jason Manzuk]

Why give him.

[Paul Shear]

Well, here's what I would argue that they even make a weirder and worse choice, which is he's not in love with her yet. Like, I feel like in the beginning, he's like, I just want to take care of her. And then he falls in love with her. So I feel like his instincts are true. Like, I just want to help this angel. Even though he made out with her when he thought he was asleep, but I feel like he has nothing untoward.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You seem really okay with that.

[Jason Manzuk]

When he thought. When he thought he was dreaming. When he thought he was dreaming, he was like, I guess I'm in a dream.

[Paul Shear]

He did say, I'm in a dream.

[Jason Manzuk]

You know what? He doesn't think he's dreaming when he double peeps at her when she's in the water. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are we going here?

[Paul Shear]

To me, I think that that was the moment he finally fell in love. I was like, you needed to get to that moment.

[Jason Manzuk]

In my mind, I'm like, how is this angel gonna bring and heal he and Phoebe Cates back together?

[Paul Shear]

Right?

[Jason Manzuk]

Like, how is. How is the. Nope. The angel's like, my guy. Goodbye.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And that's what's hard, too, about the angel sister. She's a ghost. Or maybe she's human and that's what happens. I don't know. But it's so hard because I never thought that she was that into him until the very end. Like, I was like, this angel. He's misunderstanding. Like, she just likes smoochies. Like, she loves to kiss and.

[Paul Shear]

Right. She does.

[Jason Manzuk]

Smoochies.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, that's the.

[Jason Manzuk]

That's the T shirt.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Just loves smoochies.

[Jason Manzuk]

She just loves smoochies.

[Paul Shear]

Just an angel. A silhouette of an angel and goes. I love smoochies.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Because from the moment they met, she just seemed to want to kiss him. But it didn't seem like she. I guess I felt like she'd want to kiss anyone if she was in that close proximity to them and if they weren't trying to, like, throw a net around her and steal her.

[Jason Manzuk]

If. Yes. As long as they're not. This is a movie that exists in a time frame in which the lead guy is always like, I'm a guy. I'm trying to be better than my past or whatever. And all of his friends are complete psychopaths.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay?

[Jason Manzuk]

No, all of his friends in this movie are murderous psychopaths.

[Paul Shear]

They treat her like an animal. Like an animal or a baby.

[Jason Manzuk]

It's E.T. it's E.T. and splash. Like, together. They even do a phone home joke.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yes, they do.

[Paul Shear]

Baby.

[Jason Manzuk]

Kate says, drop dead at one point.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yes, she does.

[Paul Shear]

As if. It's.

[Jason Manzuk]

As if it's Drop Dead Fred. I was like, what the fuck is going on?

[Paul Shear]

Well, I will say this, you know, just to even walk it back. The beginning of the movie starts with what I'm assuming is God saying, go down there. You gotta get your man. Go get him. He's ready. And I'm like, okay. And in my entire time, I was like, oh, he was an angel. And they're gonna go, like, I didn't think that this man was dying. Like, that's the twist. It's like, go get that dying man. And if she. So was he going to die the night of his bachelor party?

[Jason Manzuk]

No. Yeah. Yeah. The night of the engagement party. She is supposed to. At the very end of the movie, he shows. We find out she was sent to Earth to collect his soul so that he can ascend to heaven.

[Paul Shear]

Then why doesn't the guy mention having a headache once? He falls asleep a couple times.

[Jason Manzuk]

He does repeatedly talk about headaches. And he keeps trying to take pills.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, I saw him take pills.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

But it's weird because it seems like he's hungover.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Because he's hungover. Yes.

[Jason Manzuk]

To him, nobody is believing that he has crippling headaches, even though he says it repeatedly.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, I don't remember that. And that's.

[Jason Manzuk]

I just thought of something.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzuk]

Do you think she's trying to kiss him and it's the kiss of death?

[Paul Shear]

Oh.

[Jason Manzuk]

But you think that's why she keeps trying to kiss him.

[Paul Shear]

But she does kiss him.

[June Diane Rayfield]

So she doesn't really love smoochies.

[Paul Shear]

Smoochies equal death.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You know, that's really good.

[Paul Shear]

Death is more for the grim reaper. Right. Like a soul sucker.

[Jason Manzuk]

Like a.

[Paul Shear]

Like a death eater.

[Jason Manzuk]

I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, if the angel comes to take you away, do they. I mean, I wouldn't mind if they gave me a smooch. I wouldn't mind.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Everybody loves smoochies.

[Jason Manzuk]

Death and ascendancy to heaven was greeted with a kiss with smooches.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That's lovely.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah. From a stranger who looks like Emmanuel Barrett.

[Paul Shear]

Yes. Okay.

[Jason Manzuk]

100%. Who I very first saw in the French movie Manand de Source, which was played in my high school French class and featured quite a bit of nudity. I'm so glad I took French.

[Paul Shear]

This is all I'll say. I also took French. We didn't have anything that exciting, but I did once bring in for a school project as a kid, Clash of the Titans, and that had nudity. And no one knew, even myself. And we didn't know how to react to it because we were too young. We were in fifth grade and all of a sudden, boobs. And it was like, ah.

[Jason Manzuk]

So you didn't know? I didn't know. That's great.

[Paul Shear]

And we just all collectively agreed that we didn't see it. Like the class, like, ooh. And the teacher never mentioned it because I think the teacher was afraid that she would have gotten in trouble if she didn't vet Clash of the Titans. But honestly, why were there boobs in Clash of the Titans?

[Jason Manzuk]

Why aren't there boobs in every movie?

[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzuk]

When she falls down the stairs holding a shotgun, I was like, what the fuck are we up to right now?

[June Diane Rayfield]

But it's also a loaded shotgun. Like, that shotgun is loaded in a closet. In, like a hallway closet.

[Jason Manzuk]

And this movie, this. Every single person in this movie is absolutely out of control crazy. Her father is sexually obsessed with her.

[Paul Shear]

Until.

[Jason Manzuk]

Until he.

[Paul Shear]

Obsessed with the angel. Like, he's very easily swayed.

[Jason Manzuk]

It's all business for him. But the engagement party, when Phoebe Cates comes down the stairs past the giant portrait of herself, which I would pay thousands of dollars to own, the portrait of Phoebe Cates, that is in this movie. Not a reproduction. The actual painting from this movie. I was like, this is incredible. When he starts pulling out the makeup or the. Whatever, the ad campaign and grabbing her. And I was like, what the fuck is going on here?

[June Diane Rayfield]

This is B.B.

[Jason Manzuk]

Cage'S movie. And it's not.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's not.

[Jason Manzuk]

It's not at all well.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And he's purring at her, which was so, so creepy.

[Paul Shear]

It's. And it also felt like this is their engagement party. There was no one under 60 in that room. I was weirded out about that. But then as. As you're taking that in, as you're loading that into your head, all of a sudden you see terrorists in a car, and you're like, wait, hold on, What? And we've already just come from heaven, so we're like, heaven, engagement party, terrorists. You're like, it is.

[Jason Manzuk]

That's five minutes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That's. To me, why this movie is a masterpiece. Because it's going places now. I did. Yes. Did I think to myself, I wonder if it's his bachelor party? But for a second, I didn't know. And I was like, oh, is this going to be like an elderly bloodbath? Like, what?

[Jason Manzuk]

I also.

[June Diane Rayfield]

What is going to happen?

[Jason Manzuk]

This is fun. If this is the movie, what a blast. If it's terrorists come and kidnap the groom. The groom who's outside in the rain playing harmonica like he's fucking Bruce Willis in 1987 with a blues career. I was like, what the.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Well, this is what I couldn't understand. I mean, keep in mind, the whole time he's dying of a growing tumor in his head, but it really does.

[Jason Manzuk]

Reframe his whole arc.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzuk]

Knowing that he has the tumor, you almost believe the angel was a vision.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Absolutely.

[Paul Shear]

But that would be great if they. If no one else saw her. But she's very much real and she very much is an angel. Like, the tumor is Just the reason that she's there. But she is real, make no mistake.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But I'm trying to really understand what's happened to his music career because he's gone to college.

[Jason Manzuk]

He's a composer.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He's a composer. But I think his tumor has stopped him from composing.

[Jason Manzuk]

I think so.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Wow.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah. I think he has lost his way partially because of the headaches and partially because. I don't know, but it's been slow growing. Yeah. But then he's also growing tumor that is now going to kill him. Except for An Angel's Kiss.

[Paul Shear]

But I also don't really get anyone's character because, like, how would you describe him? Is he a partier? Not really.

[Jason Manzuk]

He's nothing.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He's dying of a brain tumor.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That's the only thing we need to know about him. We can't know him.

[Jason Manzuk]

Interesting character trait is not revealed until the last literal minutes of the movie.

[Paul Shear]

And.

[Jason Manzuk]

But then, boy, would it have been great to start with, I guess God's voice. Then we cut into Boop, boop. It's not looking good, Jim. Jim is his name.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Is his name Jim Bob?

[Jason Manzuk]

It's not looking good.

[Paul Shear]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Jason Manzuk]

And he's like, well, at least I have the love of a good woman. Great. We're getting married. Great. Okay. Phoebe Cates is there now. He's like, oh, no, an angel is here. Okay, now this is interesting, but the.

[Paul Shear]

First time we meet him. Yes. He's in the rain, completely dry. Feel like they didn't really want to get him wet to do retakes. So they're like, he's dry. The umbrella got him. It's like he would be soaked. And we meet him. He's like, funny guy. Like, this is. And no offense, I love this actor. This is.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I thought he was wonderful.

[Paul Shear]

This is Tad.

[Jason Manzuk]

Tad who? Tad.

[Paul Shear]

Tad from All My Children. I grew up with Tad. I thought Tad was the coolest. I don't think Tad is a comedic actor.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes. And Tad. I'm sorry, I don't know the actor's name. So I'm just going to keep Michael Knight.

[Paul Shear]

Michael Knight. Okay.

[Jason Manzuk]

Tad is his name now, you know, because I will say, and I alluded to it, but the movie shares so much in common with Splash that it is shocking. Truly shocking. But Splash has Tom Hanks.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzuk]

The absolute charm of Tom Hanks is going to get you pretty far. And Ted is. Doesn't have that charm. Possibly because the brain tumor is pushing, pushing against the part of the brain that gives you charm. But I'm not rooting for him. Mostly because he's fucking over my girl Phoebe Cates.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That's the thing.

[Jason Manzuk]

He seems to want to hang out. He wants to hang out more with the party ninjas.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He's really set up to fail. And I was so ready for the scene between the angel and Phoebe Cates. I was like, I need this. I need this scene. I need this reconciliation. I need this healing for all of us. And we never got it. And it was so hard.

[Paul Shear]

Can I also ask the question about Splash? And I forget Madison in Splash, That's Daryl Hannah's character. She does talk a little bit, right? Yes. Right.

[Jason Manzuk]

And has a name, right?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzuk]

Has a name and talks. And that's two things that are denied.

[Paul Shear]

It's a rom com without one person who speaks.

[Jason Manzuk]

And it's like, we can't have that chemistry. They can't have chemistry. If all she. If her only choice is to be, like, to just be constantly leaning in.

[Paul Shear]

To give a death smoochie. That's the shirt. Death smoochie.

[Jason Manzuk]

Time for you to die.

[Paul Shear]

But I think that they try to get Tad to be interesting because when you first see him, he's like, doing that baseball play by play, but that's like, it's too long and it's not funny. And it's not funny for multiple reasons. But I would say one of them is, what are we, like, what are we trying to get from that? Like, I don't even get that he's carefree.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's so hard because he set up, like, that moment. We think it's Phoebe Cates's movie, but, like, when she comes out to get him, I know we're supposed to think this guy is hot and charming, but for me, I'm like, get inside. Go in.

[Paul Shear]

But he puts an engagement party.

[June Diane Rayfield]

What are you doing? Get inside, Jesse. Infuriating.

[Jason Manzuk]

It's suggesting that he has cold feet. And I don't know why or if.

[Paul Shear]

He does or he's. He's harmonicking. Here comes the bride into a funeral.

[Jason Manzuk]

He's pouting. Yes, he's pouting for reasons that are never explained. I feel like the movie wants us to think they shouldn't be together, him and Phoebe Cates. He doesn't want to be married to her. He's just waiting for his angel to. I think that's what. That's why he's equivocating or something. But it doesn't make sense because I'm immediately on her side and I'm like, this fucking piece of Shit sucks.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I think I. I'm serious.

[Jason Manzuk]

Fuck this guy.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Same way. I felt the same way.

[Jason Manzuk]

Fuck this guy. I hope the devil comes and marries Phoebe Cates.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I can't believe, by the way, I'm going to blame this on Phoebe Cates, but I really think that role was written. She's a model. She's supposed to be super close to her dad. Well, she models in.

[Paul Shear]

The dad was like, you're my perfect model. Come here. Smoochie, smoochie.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Like, I feel like, don't do that to me.

[Paul Shear]

And get.

[Jason Manzuk]

I don't like that.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Don't do that.

[Jason Manzuk]

I don't like that.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Don't do that.

[Paul Shear]

Because, like, I mean, clearly the dad is Smoochie. The dad is. Ooh, smoochie, smoochie. The dad is.

[Jason Manzuk]

Let's all hope all of us tonight, later are like, how about a little smoochie, smoochie, smoochie, smoochie.

[Paul Shear]

I feel like the dad wants her to be a model. And the reason why the whole company's going down the drain is because they react so negatively to her face. The company's going under because of her face.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But I know all of this. But I think I know all of this.

[Jason Manzuk]

I know all of this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I watched this. I understand on this movie. This I know. But I think, again, that's what the movie is showing us. And I think that's probably how it was written. I think she was also probably written to be a little frumpy. Like the red dress I think was supposed to look ill fitting and unflattering on her.

[Jason Manzuk]

Especially later, she's in like. She appears to be wearing men's briefs over pants at one point, but unfortunately.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Like, she just always looks beautiful. And even when she's called to just like be shrill and reacting and screaming because she's Phoebe Cates, we're always on her side, charmed by.

[Jason Manzuk]

She's the most charismatic performer in the movie, full stop.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It just.

[Jason Manzuk]

You can't take your eyes off of her.

[June Diane Rayfield]

She's hilarious and she does an incredible job with what she has. I mean, she also says the line that it's something like, my dad's acting like he's in a real poo poo mood. And I, after she did it, I really thought to myself, okay, June, if you saw that in a script, like, how do you. How would you approach it? Like, what? You have to say it. It's in there. You have to say it. Like, you have to find your way into that.

[Paul Shear]

Aaron Sorkin wrote it. You can't change.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You can't change a goddamn thing. You have to say it. And I was like, I don't think I can. I don't think I'm good enough to do that. So. She is truly one of the best we have.

[Paul Shear]

I will say this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Truly one of the best we have.

[Paul Shear]

No. Of course, our love for Phoebe Cates is well documented in this podcast. But I do want to point out one thing about her, that when she gets kicked in the hiney, her responses. Where's my gun?

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

Like, her immediate response is, now, I'm gonna shoot you.

[Jason Manzuk]

I'll show you. I'll show you. Where's my rifle?

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzuk]

She has a shotgun.

[Paul Shear]

She's like, I'm gonna kill you.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

For kicking me in the high. That was after kick one, not even kick two. She's ready to kill this thing.

[Jason Manzuk]

She is, by the way. I wish she had.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I did, too.

[Paul Shear]

I was.

[Jason Manzuk]

I wish.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Let's go.

[Jason Manzuk]

She had killed Tad and then she and the angel fell in love. That's a movie I'm going to think about in the hotel later.

[Paul Shear]

But can we talk about. I think the most charismatic. The most charismatic trio are the Party Ninjas. The Party Ninjas.

[Jason Manzuk]

Holy shit.

[Paul Shear]

I love the Party Ninjas because they are not cool. They seemingly aren't that fun, and they're real dumb. And like, the bachelor party seems to have been for four people.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

And there might have been women there because when they come in, they're like, let's see this woman.

[Jason Manzuk]

It's like, no, I think that's the. They had, like, a 16 millimeter porno called the Tender Bartender.

[Paul Shear]

Are you being serious?

[Jason Manzuk]

I'm so sorry, Paul. Did you not see that the Tender Bartender was featured prominently?

[Paul Shear]

I was too busy.

[Jason Manzuk]

Or maybe the Blow up Doll.

[Paul Shear]

I was looking at the Pin the Tail on the Donkey, and I was like, that was part of the bachelor party.

[Jason Manzuk]

That's the worst bachelor party in history.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But also.

[Paul Shear]

And they all left him.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I know this is, like, neither here nor there, but in terms of, like, the cadence of wedding events, it was too early for a bachelor party. Like, we're just doing the engagement party. We've just announced this.

[Jason Manzuk]

It also. Oh, I see. I agree with you. Because I. The minute they were saying, oh, it's your bachelor party, I was like, oh, is the wedding in the next few days?

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzuk]

Is this imminent?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Are we.

[Jason Manzuk]

Is the clock ticking now? Is this movie going to end at a wedding, by the way? It should have. Wouldn't that have Been much?

[Paul Shear]

Nope. In the forest?

[Jason Manzuk]

Nope. Yes. None.

[Paul Shear]

Baby deers. Get me more baby deers in a clubhouse.

[June Diane Rayfield]

We have no reference for perhaps no.

[Jason Manzuk]

Movie in our entire history have I thought every step of the way, I understood where this movie was headed.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And you were wrong. You said ass wrong.

[Jason Manzuk]

The Party Ninjas get, I'm gonna say, 40 legitimate news outlets to show up. To show up to someplace called the Press Club, where they live in the suburbs so that they could debut an angel from heaven.

[Paul Shear]

But meanwhile. Meanwhile, the Party ninjas seem to run a theater where they could have simply held you. Well, they're.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, they are.

[Jason Manzuk]

You mean the place where that's located? Yeah, that's the Press Club.

[June Diane Rayfield]

No, no, no, guys. Their home, I think, is the Party Ninjas live above, like, a theater set shop. Thank you. Okay, so they don't run that theater. That's just where they're locked.

[Jason Manzuk]

You mean George and Rex and the other guy are just hanging out above a. None of it makes sense.

[Paul Shear]

By the way, this is a small issue that I have with the Party Ninjas. Our main guy, our bachelor, Tad, when he wakes up drunk with the. With the inflatable girl, his tie is just slightly askew. His tie never came off for the bachelor party, nor did it get very askew. It was sort of like the first move that you make if you get in the car. Like, ugh. It just stayed in like a. It was still very high up on the neck. He looked unpartied.

[Jason Manzuk]

Oh, he was fine. He looked totally fine.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Well, except for the brain tumor.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes, except for the gigantic brain tumor. Then. Splash. We hear a splash, water pours into the apartment.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Listen, I'm no scientist, but when we. When we go back out to that pool and see the water displacement.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

From her 120 pound body.

[Jason Manzuk]

Not even.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Not barely.

[Jason Manzuk]

The wings.

[June Diane Rayfield]

With the wings.

[Paul Shear]

The wing weight.

[June Diane Rayfield]

20 pounds. But she has lifted out, like, I want to say, four feet of water.

[Jason Manzuk]

Oh, yeah. It's six inches of water in the house.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay. I thought about it for so long because I'm like, well, you are falling from heaven. So that's a. That's a certain amount of force that's coming down.

[Paul Shear]

But what did her wings break? Like, I'm assuming she was flying and she may have hit, like, a power line, like so. I don't think that she fell from that high.

[Jason Manzuk]

Hold on a second.

[Paul Shear]

Whoa.

[Jason Manzuk]

Hold on.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, whoa.

[Paul Shear]

Whoa.

[Jason Manzuk]

Hold on. There seems to be a.

[Paul Shear]

Who has the answer?

[Jason Manzuk]

Somebody here will know. Sir, what's your.

[Paul Shear]

What's your name?

[Jason Manzuk]

Paul Be careful of the man in a putter in a bra shirt.

[Paul Shear]

I knew he was safe because he was an official. Really be careful. All right. Why is her wing broken? Because she hit the satellite. Oh, she hit the satellite.

[Jason Manzuk]

Somehow I missed that. Somehow we all missed that. But all of you watched it.

[Paul Shear]

Keith, tell me what happened. So she's sent on her merry way, by God, and she's headed towards Earth. And then all of a sudden, a satellite comes out of nowhere. Do we see this? Yes. Oh, and then when it's a POV show. Okay, we have a lot of POV shots.

[Jason Manzuk]

Point of view.

[Paul Shear]

She was, like, wearing a GoPro. That's the footage we saw. Wow. How did I miss this?

[June Diane Rayfield]

God, we all.

[Jason Manzuk]

You know what?

[Paul Shear]

Sometimes I don't pay attention.

[Jason Manzuk]

This movie sounds a lot better from Keith point of view.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, so she broke her. So this is kind of a commentary on Star Wars. Not the movie, but the. The arms race, satellites in the sky. You know, it's very prescient.

[Jason Manzuk]

Reagan era Star Wars.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes.

[Paul Shear]

So that's how she breaks her wing. She falls. All right, so the satellite sky.

[Jason Manzuk]

If you don't mind me just backing up for one second to the party when Tad is pouting out in the rain.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Phoebe.

[Jason Manzuk]

And he is embarrassing. Because these are not young people. No, they should have been. This movie would have been better if they were all in high school or something like that. If they were young, sure. You know what I mean. But they are old. Old enough to know better. And he's pouting in the back. She comes out there and she goes. You know they all hate you.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzuk]

You know, everyone in our families hates you. And then I do, too. I'm with everyone else. I also hate you, dad.

[Paul Shear]

But it's such lazy writing, too. Because the way they make Phoebe Cates unlikable is like. I know. No more fun. Like, she's always saying, no more fun. And that's, like, a weird thing.

[Jason Manzuk]

And the party ninjas are actively trying to sabotage her in a way that's like, you know, I think, like, Toxic Beyond. George is a true psychopath.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah. When they came out with that net.

[Jason Manzuk]

What? The party ninjas are the government in E.T.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Paul Shear]

They are like animal control trying to capture this. But first of all, they're trying to market the angel to this guy. I don't know who the fuck this guy is. They're trying to sell the angel. The angel is yet not a commodity. It's like me trying to sell ET A year before ET Comes out. I'm like, he's a little guy, big eyes, phone home. I'd be like, what? What are you talking about? Like, you can't pre sell, like, merch. Like, we got the bumpers, we got the shirts. It's like, for what? For what?

[Jason Manzuk]

Oh, no. And they don't even have her yet because their big thing is, like, we gotta get her in a net and then we'll lure her away with French fries. We got a French fry. I was like, these fucking maniacs need to be put down.

[Paul Shear]

But what I do like should be.

[Jason Manzuk]

Shooting these guys with a gun.

[Paul Shear]

But what I do like about them is that they do provide a dress code for the press conference. Yeah, you guys can dress casual to the press. You tell the press how to show up. Like, never. Is it like. Yes, we'll be covering the event. What's the dress code? Oh, okay. Casual. Okay, got it. All right, got it.

[Jason Manzuk]

Can you imagine?

[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzuk]

Which you have a 4 real angel? Now you also have a catastrophic brain tumor, so who knows? But you have a for real angel. You go into a church with an angel and the priest Is like, go tell it to the Baptists. The church would be so excited to have an angel. They would be like, we fucking did it. Holy shit, it's real. They would be so excited. She's up there doing angel shit. And he's like, I don't want to look at it. Get out of here.

[Paul Shear]

Well, that's the thing with this movie.

[Jason Manzuk]

Interestingly, there was on a newspaper headline, it said that priest from that church was moved to a different parish because.

[Paul Shear]

Well, he only moved to a different parish to get better weed.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah. And you'll notice when he was around, Rex was like, I don't want to hang out with him.

[Paul Shear]

Him smoking weed too far.

[Jason Manzuk]

Minneapolis. What? Minneapolis. Very religious town. Oh, no, don't say that.

[Paul Shear]

That was the thing that was so interesting. It's like whenever there is a choice to make, you don't need to make it weirder. Like, that's a priest, he's holding confession. Let's give him a joint. Wait, why? Why are we over complicating it? Because we are dealing in a world of such crazy fantastical nature. And I'm all for it. Like, yes, she's an angel, but no one questions it. It's like, she's an angel. Got it. No one's like, check her wings. No one has a. No, she's not. She's just a kook. Nope. Okay. Yeah, she's an angel.

[Jason Manzuk]

She's an angel. Oh, everyone thought it's real.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's like everybody in this movie has been waiting for this and it just like, happens to be today. But it's not. It isn't really a surprise or it's.

[Jason Manzuk]

Like there's other angels. It's a world in which there's lots of angels and we just got one here. I mean, that's not the case, but everybody does feel very okay with it.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I will say I thought she handled some of her comedic beats quite well. The French fries sequence I laughed at.

[Paul Shear]

You know, was she upset? I had a laugh at the hamburger was made of meat.

[Jason Manzuk]

Gotta be.

[Paul Shear]

But how would she even know?

[Jason Manzuk]

Or that it was a deeply out of season, unripe tomato slice on it. The tomato slice was like mostly yellow in the middle. And I was like this. This is a scathing indictment of Wendy. So scathing. I also don't think it was a square burger, was it?

[Paul Shear]

No.

[June Diane Rayfield]

No, it wasn't.

[Jason Manzuk]

Not a square burger.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That Paul and I, someone, his mom had bought us a like, private sushi chef for our first year anniversary. And this woman, Paul's woman's head is.

[Jason Manzuk]

Going to pop right off.

[June Diane Rayfield]

This woman arrives at our apartment many years ago, and she's not Japanese.

[Paul Shear]

Sushi. So I got you a private sushi chef at your house.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Long story short, it's a little uncomfortable to have this person in our home. And Paul and I are, like, doing small talk with her.

[Paul Shear]

Can I also say the most uncomfortable thing about it? And not to be offensive in any way. It was just a white woman. And.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

And there was something about it that just felt like.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Just very, very strange. It's like, what are we all doing here?

[Paul Shear]

I like sushi. I've gone to. I go to a lot of different restaurants. I can remember twice when it was white people. When it once was in my house, and the other time was in Hawaii, and that man was surrounded by Asian people who made fun of him for being white. That made me feel better.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yes. So there were so many things happening, and we had to do about four hours with her and. But during time.

[Jason Manzuk]

This is a notoriously quick meal.

[June Diane Rayfield]

This wasn't. This wasn't because she's in her home. We didn't. And it was also. We had a tiny apartment. There was nowhere for us to go and not be with her. So we're watching her wash her knives. We're washing. And we're also helping her. We're doing her dishes. Like, it was very strange.

[Paul Shear]

We barely had a kitchen. We had, like, a small counter space.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yes. So the whole interaction was so terrible. But just to go back to tomatoes for a second, this is where I really started to get worried. Because she said to us, you remember, you know what I'm about to say? She said, we're talking about food. And. And I said, so if you spend any time in Japan just trying to get to what her experience with sushi is? And she said, yeah, she did. And then she said, but what I really love is every day I go to Subway and I get a Subway sandwich. And the tomatoes, the way they slice them so thin. And I'm thinking to myself, the Subway tomatoes are. They're like the tomatoes in this movie. They are. They're not real tomatoes, and they literally don't have any taste.

[Paul Shear]

But now, guys wanted to let you know somebody has stepped up their game.

[Jason Manzuk]

Oh, God, you can't be preparing sushi. And.

[Paul Shear]

Patrick Mahomes told me the slice of their own meats. Him and Steph Curry sign off on it.

[Jason Manzuk]

Wait a minute. This feels like promotion.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Anyway, we had to.

[Jason Manzuk]

Can't be in that situation. And then just waxing about the subway Tomato.

[Paul Shear]

She also gave us a tip for eating sushi the right way, which was wrong.

[Jason Manzuk]

She's like, and again, between the two halves of a six, six inch sub roll, she's like, you gotta put it in the roll.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I don't know if that was wrong.

[Jason Manzuk]

A little oil. It was wrong. A mayo. All right, you want this sushi Mike's way.

[Paul Shear]

Put some balsamic on this ahi. What?

[Jason Manzuk]

I was at a restaurant the other day. I was at a restaurant in Maine the other day, and I said, I'll get the grilled salmon. And the waitress said, ew, you like salmon? I was like, oh, what? I was like, wait, it sounds like you don't like this. She was like, I hate salmon. I was like, please tell me how you really feel. And I'm saying this all, but all of it had, like, the heaviest Bostony Massachusetts y. So she was like, oh, my God. You like salmon. Oh, I think salmon is disgusting. I was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get it. Anyway, I got it. It was delicious. And she came by and she was.

[Paul Shear]

Like, what did you think of that salmon?

[Jason Manzuk]

And I was like, yeah, I thought it was absolutely delicious. She was like, ugh. She was like, the owner said, he wants me to get a picture with you. He knows who you are. I have no idea who you are.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I love her. I love her.

[Jason Manzuk]

And I was like, let's do this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I love this woman.

[Jason Manzuk]

I was like, I'm home.

[Paul Shear]

Last night. I did take a compliment for Jon Cryer. Someone came up to me and said, I just want to say big time adolescence meant a lot to me. And I was like, huh? And I never heard. I didn't know what it was either. And I quickly googled it. It's a Machine Gun Kelly Pete Davidson movie that came out two years ago. And he said, I watched it all the time when I was in high school. And I'm like, you look like you're in high school now. This movie came out two years ago. You can't rape. You know rhapsodically about this. Whatever.

[Jason Manzuk]

I said, this episode has the most usage of rhapsodic in podcast history.

[Paul Shear]

And I. And I said. I said, oh, thank you so much. Thank you so much.

[Jason Manzuk]

You didn't correct him. I love that.

[Paul Shear]

Had a great time making it. Machine Gun Kelly. Weird guy, but we had fun.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Holy.

[Paul Shear]

I'll never correct anyone. Even the guy who once said, I was Robin Williams at airport security. TSA going through lax guys, like, I know you And I was like, oh, hey. And he's like, I know who you are, funny guy. And I was like, oh, thanks so much. And he was like, robin Williams. And I laughed. And I was like, ah, right. He goes, very funny guy. And then I was like, oh, he's not joking. He's like, I'm not going to blow up your spot, Rob Williams. And. And Robin Williams had been dead for some time. What?

[Jason Manzuk]

Holy shit. You should have, as you were walking away, been like, hey, bro, Google me.

[Paul Shear]

And then leaned in for a smoochie. I was the angel coming back.

[Jason Manzuk]

I saw the ghost of Robin Williams today.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, my God.

[Jason Manzuk]

Holy shit.

[Paul Shear]

My favorite moment in this movie was Tad, who lives in the town. He lives there, drives to the gas station, goes, where's the press club? You live here, man. You would have the. You would have an equal amount of knowledge of the town.

[Jason Manzuk]

Also, forgive me, but what's a press club? It seems to be a place where press conferences happen in a small town, tiny town. Is there. Is there use for that? Is that a real thing? Am I just being a fool? I don't know.

[Paul Shear]

It didn't even look like. It looked like a. Like a high school auditorium stage when.

[Jason Manzuk]

Phoebe Cates and her father are having a screaming match and her only option is to put herself into the closet. I was like, yes, this is the movie. This is the movie I want to watch. When she comes out with a hanger, like, I'm gonna fuck my dad up with this hanger. I'm like, yes, the dad and the priest are creeps. Get them both out of here. Let Phoebe be Phoebe. Bring in Fred. Fred fucked the angel.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, my God. I was trying to understand, like, what the difference between the angel gaze was and just like her falling in love with Tab, because it's like, well, everybody's under her spell at points, but they're not getting the kiss of death. They're not going to be transported into another dimension.

[Paul Shear]

She wants to kiss everybody she hypnotizes.

[Jason Manzuk]

They seem affected by her, but I don't know that they. She is as into them.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I see. So I think what a part of what's happening is just like they're falling in love with women who don't speak, and there's this sort of, like, transfixion.

[Jason Manzuk]

She's like a Vela. She's like a Villa in the Harry Potter story. Like, she is like a beauty that people can't help but be like, yeah, you know, the dad is like the best example. He's like, absolutely not you rebel. Like, absolutely.

[Paul Shear]

I believe that angels have this. This like, like the way Crocodile Dundee could hypnotize animals with the two fingers. You know, you do that. I feel like the angel.

[Jason Manzuk]

You're doing a lot of finger work this tour.

[Paul Shear]

I did. I, I.

[Jason Manzuk]

The other night, it was this, which none of us liked. None of us liked it. Tonight, it's this.

[Paul Shear]

But I remember, like, but crocodile doesn't.

[Jason Manzuk]

Do you remember in them?

[Paul Shear]

So.

[Jason Manzuk]

I'm so sorry. In the movie, when he wakes up after the bachelor party and he's got the blow up doll, he puts it aside.

[Paul Shear]

He does this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He does.

[Paul Shear]

He sniffs.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I didn't see that.

[Paul Shear]

Sniffs his fingers.

[Jason Manzuk]

His own fingers. As if to say, oh, no. Did I do something stupid? No, I'm okay.

[June Diane Rayfield]

What?

[Jason Manzuk]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. There's a dead. There's a dead angel in the pool. Oh, no, we partied too hard. The stripper's dead in the pool, man.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But that's. Wow.

[Jason Manzuk]

He sniffs his fingers not.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I did not see that. Or I blocked it out.

[Jason Manzuk]

It's gotta be an improvised moment because all.

[Paul Shear]

I think a lot, I think a lot of, like, funny business stayed in this movie. But to your point, June, I do think that, yes, the angel has powers, but she's not at full power until her wing is fixed. But I will say this. You say she doesn't talk. I think she is talking. And as a matter of fact, we have. Supplemental Clip 4. I'd like to show you how her voice came to be the kind of.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Work that I've done in film, in voiceovers. The first one I was invited to do was a film called Date with an angel, in which Emmanuel Bayart played an angel who had fallen to earth. And the filmmakers wanted her to make otherworldly sounds. And evidently all she could think of to do was squeak. And so when they test marketed the film and this beautiful woman opens her mouth, a squeak comes out and the audience fell on the floor laughing. Well, that wasn't necessarily what they wanted. And so the sound designer contacted me and said, you know, can you help us? So they flew me out to Los Angeles and we worked on a soundstage. And I basically replaced her Voice for about 90% of the film. We did three complete separate tracks. One was a more musical track, one was sort of strange sounds, otherworldly sounds, and one was speech like, but not too speech like. And then so they used that. The sound designer mixed my sounds with other sounds that he had and came up with this composite voice for her.

[Paul Shear]

And so she created it as something called.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I'm obsessed with that woman. I'm absolutely her first job.

[Paul Shear]

Yes. And she. She created something called otherworldly speech. So Supplemental Clip 5. We like to play some otherworldly speech because she does perform otherworldly speech.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay, so this is Solitary Journeys of the Mind.

[Jason Manzuk]

Lady. I'm on a date with an angel.

[Paul Shear]

Press club. All right, we can kill that. That is holy. That is a five. That is a five and a half minute. A five and a half minute improvisational musical piece.

[Jason Manzuk]

Five and a half minute. I find it put a beat to it, like, this could be Enya. I could believe this could be Enya. This could be. This is. This is better than the whole movie. Wow.

[June Diane Rayfield]

So it's so interesting that she said they took those sounds and smashed them together. Because all I heard were squeaks.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, all I heard was whale noise.

[June Diane Rayfield]

At felt like so much so that at the end of the movie when she says she's been sent back here by God to heal him and also make music with him, I was like, with that voice?

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah. No, it was. And it's especially clear there are moments where. And I wonder if in the script, they wrote lines for the angel because there are scenes in which she is trying to have. She's trying to communicate with Ted. There are scenes that appear as though they are having a conversation, but she's doing dolphin sounds. And he is kind of like, okay.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, most of the movie, too, he's just talking at her and kind of filling in what she might be saying.

[Jason Manzuk]

And we're supposed to believe that for them, this is what it is to fall in love. To have a foundational inability to communicate using language.

[Paul Shear]

But it would make. I think that the fact that Tad is so earnest makes it less fun. Right? Because if he was like, a little, like, he's so earnest and she's so earnest. I'm just, like watching two people just be very earnest with each other, and it's bumming me out. Like, it's like I'm like, oh, we're there. It's. It's slow. And they originally wanted Jim Carrey for this, and they said for the angel. No, no, they wanted Jim Carrey as the lead. And he. They said, no, he's too funny. We don't want funny. We want leading man.

[Jason Manzuk]

It's interesting because I wonder if Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey in, like, taken down a notch. Jim Carrey would have been incredible in a affable, Tom Hanksy way. I just don't know if he would have been able to do that.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's so hard because, again, we're never gonna be on Ted's side because he has a fiance who has done nothing to deserve this treatment. So it's.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah, he's always a villain.

[Paul Shear]

He's a villain.

[Jason Manzuk]

And again, this angel, an agent of God on high, is here stealing someone else's man and is like, fuck her. Let's go. Let's get out of here. But she's kicking Phoebe Cates ass in the woods.

[Paul Shear]

And then also. But also, like, then the end of the movie.

[Jason Manzuk]

Is that your guy? I'm gonna fucking take your guy. Don't worry about it.

[Paul Shear]

But the end of the movie is also this moment where so God actually wants you to make music. Like, we got to make music together. That's a crazy end. But he's like. God is like, yeah, this guy's got the goods.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Like, that's what I could. I actually couldn't understand. When you said the last two minutes explained everything, I was like, not for me, it didn't.

[Jason Manzuk]

I mean, it gave you information that made a little sense of some of what was going on.

[Paul Shear]

Well, it makes sense why he falls asleep in the middle of the movie when, like, he's looking for her and they're at the press conference, like, he wakes up. I'm like, wait, so he was looking for her and he just fell asleep?

[Jason Manzuk]

And he does that a number of times.

[Paul Shear]

Okay.

[Jason Manzuk]

In the woods. Brain tumor in the woods. He's just kind of like, huh?

[Paul Shear]

Right? It's. I would say the brain tumor is played very low. Like, it's. It's. Yes. It's like. It's like. It's like background noise. If I really focus on it. If I. Yeah, you've given me clues, but it's not, like, shocking me because I'm watching a priest smoke a joint. I'm watching Guns Get Fired. I'm watching a girl put underwear on. I'm watching a guy get bit on the ass by a dog. Is it a better movie.

[Jason Manzuk]

Is it a better movie if she's not an angel? But to him, because of his tumor, he thinks she's an angel.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzuk]

And everybody else just is smitten with this beautiful woman, but he thinks she's some sort of. From another, you know, blah, blah, blah, and that. That. Because none of it adds up. And they just keep throwing stuff at you to be like, oh, what if he's got a brain tumor?

[Paul Shear]

Or dare I say it? And I know that we forbid it. Is it better as A Jacob's Ladder scenario?

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes. For who?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Don't say it.

[Paul Shear]

For him. And we. And it's like they've all been around his bed the entire time. He's imagined the entire thing.

[Jason Manzuk]

What if it's a Jacob's Ladder scenario for the stripper at the bachelor party who dies in the pool.

[Paul Shear]

Done.

[Jason Manzuk]

Who imagines whose dying dream is that? She's an angel who is rescued from this wretched existence by this man and curries God's favorite so that they can become musicians together. That's the movie.

[Paul Shear]

All right, let's see what the audience has to say here. Got a lot of people with questions. Maybe there's a theologian in the house. I don't know.

[Jason Manzuk]

Maybe there's an angel.

[Paul Shear]

What's your name and your question?

[June Diane Rayfield]

My name is Sarah. And my question is, have you ever received a telegram as good as the Ladybug? Oh, thank you so much that I.

[Paul Shear]

Did want to talk about the Love bug.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Love bull.

[Jason Manzuk]

The love bug is I. I laughed a number of times in this movie. That was one of them. And I was like, this is the part I would get in this movie. This or probably George.

[Paul Shear]

The love bug is a singing telegram who delivers the singing as they are leaving. Like the singing was a side effect of the telegram.

[Jason Manzuk]

It happens at the end and then all of his excellent exit is just maniacal laughter. It's like, your boyfriend better love this. And then later in the movie he drives by in his love bug when he's getting into his car and he's like, that's my son. Give me a movie about the love bug.

[Paul Shear]

Hi, what's your name and what's your question?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Hi, I'm Cassie. So in the massive exposition dump, we get in the last like 30 seconds and she can suddenly speak part of it. She explains that she has now been brought down to earth for her good behavior, which raised some implications that in addition to not having a name or a voice, angels perhaps don't even have free will.

[Jason Manzuk]

But also, are angels capable of bad behavior? Are angels on like a. Like, are they being monitored? They're. They're angels. Shouldn't they be exemplified of good behavior?

[Paul Shear]

Well, that's.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That was what. Yes. If you are an angel, you've already done your good behavior. You know, that's the whole idea.

[Paul Shear]

Wait a second. So you think an angel is someone who has died and. And come to heaven?

[Jason Manzuk]

Satan was an angel. You're right.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Satan was a fallen angel.

[Paul Shear]

Make sure that that is an angel. Someone just yelled, Satan was an angel.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I felt Safe.

[Jason Manzuk]

When that happened, just in case it wasn't. It was said like this, in a moment of chilling silence, as if the audience knew this person would need to say this. Someone said, satan was an angel. Satan was an angel. Thank you for quoting Metalocalypse lyrics at me.

[Paul Shear]

I will say this, though. As soon as he said it, the whole theater now smells of sulfur.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah, there's a fucking goat's head on stage.

[Paul Shear]

All right, your name and your question.

[June Diane Rayfield]

My name is Alison, and my question is.

[Jason Manzuk]

Hi.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Hi. Hey, guys. Do you think this movie is about capitalism?

[Paul Shear]

Explain. I like it. Tell me.

[June Diane Rayfield]

So the. The friends, when they meet the angel, their first response is to get money. Monetize it. And also the. Phoebe, Kate's dad, his first response is to make her the model.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah, it's all about when she fails.

[Paul Shear]

He doesn't care about love. He wants to find another way to get money. Well.

[Jason Manzuk]

And he doesn't care about his daughter at all. He just cares about getting.

[Paul Shear]

The dad is a communist.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I think so.

[Paul Shear]

I like it. I like this.

[Jason Manzuk]

I do believe this is a scathing indictment of 20th century capitalism so far.

[Paul Shear]

This is taking down Reaganomics. This is taking down Star Wars.

[Jason Manzuk]

This is in the greed is good, Gordon Gekko era of American greed. Everybody just sees an angel and sees dollar signs.

[Paul Shear]

But the other thing is, and I keep on going back to this, they accepted her as an angel. She does nothing angelic. She's got these wings.

[Jason Manzuk]

I mean, that's pretty angelic. But she does have wings and is an angel.

[Paul Shear]

We haven't checked them out. No one goes, let me see.

[June Diane Rayfield]

What do you want to do with.

[Jason Manzuk]

Do you think there are angel wing authenticators? What's this?

[Paul Shear]

What is this?

[Jason Manzuk]

I've seen that show with Republican Antiques Road Show.

[Paul Shear]

Dress people up like panthers and shit. You go to Heidi Clark's Halloween party, you're gonna see fucking angel wings. I watch Victoria's Secret shows. They got angel wings. You do. Check it out.

[Jason Manzuk]

How often do you watch the. The Victoria's Secret angel wings?

[Paul Shear]

Study for this a lot, but I mean. But no one goes like, let me touch those shoulders. Let's. What do we got?

[Jason Manzuk]

I don't like.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I don't like the way you said that. I don't like any of this, by the way.

[Jason Manzuk]

I like when Paul says, let me touch those shoulders.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Sort of like, take a look under the wings to make sure they were really like you wanted someone to tug on them.

[Jason Manzuk]

Oh. So, Paul, Paul, you are positing that she is a scam artist.

[Paul Shear]

That my first instinct would be, check them wings.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah. Show me what's under the hood.

[Jason Manzuk]

Show me your wings. Show me your.

[Paul Shear]

I grew up in New York. You're gonna tell me an angel. You gotta prove it. Do some sort of magic and let me touch them wings.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Wow.

[Jason Manzuk]

I agree.

[Paul Shear]

I know. I'm not gonna take you at face value.

[Jason Manzuk]

I agree. I would be skeptical as well. I would be skeptical as well. I would wanna see where those wings drift.

[June Diane Rayfield]

First of all, she doesn't have to prove to either of you that she's an angel, okay?

[Jason Manzuk]

But the minute she makes dolphin sounds, I'd be like, oh, classic angel.

[Paul Shear]

When she was hypnotizing one of the party ninjas, I thought they were gonna pull, like, a little. Like a little switcheroo. And she's like, behind this curtain, an amazing angel. And then you're like, oh, when he reveals it, it's gonna be like the party ninjas with their pants down or something. And then the angel's gonna be gone. But no, she's still tied up in a chair. And then you hear a reporter go, oh, that's not right.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yeah, well, they've got her tied into a chair. They've got a cloth over her mouth to stop her from doing hypnotic chirping. They take it off. Then they put her. Then they put one around her eyes as well. Do they at one point do that?

[Paul Shear]

They have a press conference for kidnapped woman.

[Jason Manzuk]

This is like. It really is. They bring out a woman tied to a. They bring out a hostage. They're like, we have a hostage.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzuk]

And this is like, we are from our grave. We have this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Why cover up her wings then? Like, that's actually when we need to see them. The choices that these men make.

[Paul Shear]

Thank you, June. Check them wings.

[Jason Manzuk]

Check them wings.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Now I'm on your side.

[Jason Manzuk]

I will say, I think the T shirt for this episode should be the T shirt that they hold up when they're in. When they're in the patent office or whatever.

[Paul Shear]

Holy shit.

[Jason Manzuk]

I wish the movie had now been about just party ninjas.

[Paul Shear]

Okay. Your name, your question?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Hi, I'm Megan. My question is what?

[Jason Manzuk]

Hi, Megan. Hi, Jason.

[June Diane Rayfield]

What is the angel manual that he's reading in the treehouse where he's like, oh, according to the book, your powers are fully recovered. Wait a second. That book was in the treehouse? I thought he got that from the library.

[Jason Manzuk]

He did, but it checks it out. Oh, yeah, he's doing a lot.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Had like, a colorful cover. And the book in the library had, like, a leather bound, like, Old book.

[Jason Manzuk]

The library in this town has access to books from the 13th century. That's a no way. The library in this town has books that only Giles from Buffy has access to. Okay, that's what we're talking about here. This is not real books. And Tad is up here reading about angels like he's cracking the code. He's too dumb.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But he's way too dumb.

[Paul Shear]

Here's the book that no one cracks. The Bible.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes.

[Paul Shear]

No one's looking at the Bible. A book that might have some information. This is like the.

[Jason Manzuk]

So that's why this episode, we're giving away a Bible to everybody.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Look under your seat.

[Jason Manzuk]

Under your seat, you will find a Bible. How did this get prayed?

[Paul Shear]

Black it out.

[Jason Manzuk]

That's the end of the show. Good night, Minneapolis.

[Paul Shear]

I was reading the book of Job. Could you believe this passage? All right, it says right here, he who walks. Now get this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He who.

[Paul Shear]

Who walks through a valley. Now, where are these valleys? That would be our whole show. Your name, Your question?

[June Diane Rayfield]

I'm Bess, and I just wanted to address the physical comedy.

[Jason Manzuk]

Oh, we're talking ecclesiastics tonight. This is crazy. Sorry. Go ahead, please, go ahead.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, well, I mean, like the dog. The dog attack, like, everything was just so over the top.

[Paul Shear]

The dog attack was from the POV of the dog. Right. Going into the man's ass. And yet I forgot about that.

[Jason Manzuk]

So when he stopped going into the.

[Paul Shear]

Man'S ass, seems like he went pretty deep into it. I feel like he got side cheek and back cheek. Yeah.

[Jason Manzuk]

No, I loved. I loved the dad after he's been bit on the butt, which is like midway through the movie on the hiney.

[Paul Shear]

Thank you.

[Jason Manzuk]

On the heiny. After he's bit on the hiney for the rest of the movie, he does a lot sitting down and then jumping up and be like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. My heinie. You know that I was attacked.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I really laughed. When the dad is in the boardroom and he's trying to describe who the new face of the ethereal beauty line is.

[Paul Shear]

The hardest laugh in the movie.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I. I genuinely laugh so hard. He goes, I got it. It's my daughter's fiance's girlfriend.

[Jason Manzuk]

Mistress.

[Paul Shear]

Mistress.

[Jason Manzuk]

Mistress. It's even better. And everybody's like, uh huh. And it's like. It's like the Cassidy notice for everybody in there is weasels. It's a boardroom full of weasels who are like.

[Paul Shear]

Also, they were alluding to something going horribly wrong in that makeup.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Again, I think it was Phoebe's face.

[Paul Shear]

The guy comes to their house in the middle of the night with the marketing research reports, not sales. Like, we just did the testing. It's bad.

[Jason Manzuk]

And gleefully, gleefully tells him it's bad. I had to come over and tell you it's bad.

[Paul Shear]

Your instincts are shit. Your daughter's the worst.

[Jason Manzuk]

I wrote down the press is witnessing an abuse abduction. Go ahead.

[Paul Shear]

Your name. Your question.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Hi, I am Dina.

[Jason Manzuk]

Hi, Dina.

[Paul Shear]

Hi.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Has anyone figured out what the date was? What date?

[Paul Shear]

What do you mean?

[Jason Manzuk]

Oh, Oh, I see. The titular date.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. There doesn't appear to be. I think it's like a date, like his date with destiny. That's not. It's not like a. We go to Bennegan's. It's like. Like it's just a general. My dad.

[Jason Manzuk]

They go to Wendy's.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's interesting though, by the way.

[Paul Shear]

What an indictment on Wendy's.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I know.

[Paul Shear]

I didn't even think about that.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It is interesting, though, because I. I do have a vague memory of the dad in the engagement party scene talking to Tad's mom, who we haven't even touched on her.

[Paul Shear]

Holy.

[June Diane Rayfield]

We haven't even said a word about her yet. I have. We need to spend roughly the next two hours talking about her, Tad's dad. And also, where's Phoebe's mom? Unknown. But I do remember a reference to Tad working for her dad. And that being the path and that it seemed like that's where we're going. But I don't know, because once. Once Phoebe's on screen, she doesn't seem to care.

[Paul Shear]

I had an issue. It was confusing to me that when he shows up at her. Her house, she throws stuff out the window. They weren't living together, so she's just throwing her own shit out the window.

[Jason Manzuk]

Well, some of it is like cards and stuff that he's probably given or whatever. But, like, yeah, I agree.

[Paul Shear]

It doesn't seem like that's a family that allows her boyfriend to sleep over.

[Jason Manzuk]

But then again, that. I agree. But that suggests that she lives with her parents. Ergo, is young. And so then I'm like, how old are these characters supposed to be now?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Hours away from the movie. It's kind of starting to make a bit more sense, I think. I think we're supposed to believe that Tad's from the wrong side of the tracks. And that this marriage is going to be meaningful to his family and to his mom. Because they are going to profit off.

[Jason Manzuk]

Because he drives, like, a piece of shit car.

[June Diane Rayfield]

She drives a Corvette.

[Jason Manzuk]

She drives a Corvette, lives in a mansion, and her dad is like, capitalism, business, business, capitalism, capitalism.

[Paul Shear]

Keeping up with the Joneses. Okay, your name, your question. You have a screen grabble.

[Jason Manzuk]

I'm Will. Less of a question, more of a reading of Roger Ebert's review of this movie.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, this is great. I actually. Well, can you play? We never done this before. I was gonna save this to the end, but I think it's worthy of it now. Can you play review? The most impressive thing about this whole movie is the way that Emmanuel Bayard is actually able to play a convincing angel. At least I was convinced. And if it's not an angel, then at least it's certainly a beautiful blonde with wings. On some kind of a basic level. I liked her performance. In fact, I think you can even guess what that basic level probably was.

[Jason Manzuk]

Sexual.

[Paul Shear]

And I liked a lot of of the details of her relationship with Michael. Ignite.

[Jason Manzuk]

You're being so kind. I think this movie is garbage. I did not think she was convincing. I didn't think it was magical. I didn't think the characters surrounding her were interesting. All she does is chirp.

[Paul Shear]

She is a beautiful woman. Gene. Not.

[Jason Manzuk]

There are lots of beautiful women in the world.

[Paul Shear]

There are not that many. Yeah, there are not that many.

[Jason Manzuk]

There are not. There are a few movies that are as bad as this one.

[Paul Shear]

Isn't there some kind of a basic human level upon which you can respond to Beauty of this nature? Yes. Without having to just always be a critic all the time and see how dumb the movie is?

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes.

[Paul Shear]

Isn't there something pretty to look at there?

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes. And then. Then the movie starts rolling. Take a still picture of her.

[Paul Shear]

Don't look at the film.

[Jason Manzuk]

I love nothing. I grew up every week watching at the movies on pbs. Every. I. Nothing is better than the animosity that Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert have for each other. It is so powerful how much they dislike each other and how much they are just constantly going after each other.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, and that is brilliant. Like, he's like, you know why I like her? Sexual.

[Jason Manzuk]

Sexual.

[Paul Shear]

So upsetting. Can we bring in our second opinion people right now?

[Jason Manzuk]

Here's the thing. While you guys are lining up, if I'm Tad, have some fucking balls and go and have a conversation with Phoebe Cates and be like, it's over.

[Paul Shear]

They cut all of that stuff out because the morning after the bachelor party, he goes like, I know you called after you woke up and tried to explain the situation. Like, why didn't we get this?

[Jason Manzuk]

We didn't get that scene, he says, I'll be there in a half an hour. Doesn't do that.

[Paul Shear]

Clearly doesn't even have any attention.

[Jason Manzuk]

This guy is a fucking piece of shit. And I hate him for what he did to our girl.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, Ted might be a piece of shit, but you know what? There are people out there that think a little bit differently. Because now it is time for second opinion.

[Jason Manzuk]

What's with this angel in my pool? Where did she come from? What will my fiance think when she sees her in my bed and going to Amazon to leave a review? Gonna be 5, ooo. You look just like an angel. Oh, oh. And I'm recently engaged. I don't know what this movie's about. Anyway, I don't care about that. I give it five stars. Yes. Amazing job. Great job. Every single one of the 32 people who sang songs tonight were perfect.

[Paul Shear]

Thank you so much. Those are amazing songs. And now we're gonna read some amazing reviews on Amazon. There are 1,403 reviews of Date with an Angel. Average rating 4.7 out of 5 stars. 4.7.

[Jason Manzuk]

Wow.

[Paul Shear]

Out of 5 stars, 82% are 5 star reviews. Only 2% are 1 star reviews. Mel Leonard writes this is in 2018 title a movie that has remained as one of my favorites for decades. When I was a movie theater manager back in the 80s, I had the pleasure of screening this movie and I thought it was wonderful. Girls came out of the theater crying on their boyfriend's shoulders and everyone had smiles on their faces. However, the critics panned it terribly and not many came to see this great show, which I thought was a real crime. Because of these charlatan judges, this movie failed at the box office. I have never forgiven those who were responsible for this. I just want to say I still think this is a great movie and I highly recommend it to anyone. Dated, pardon the pun though it may be, it is both funny, heartwarming and sometimes sad. But with the proverbial happy ending, you will do yourself a favor if you take the time to watch it. Five stars. Thank you, Mel Leonard. Now Mel has a little bit of an edge and so does share. Not share with a C but share with an S. And Sherith and S wrote this in 2011 and the title is DVD Date with an Angel. This DVD was difficult to locate and the cost in Canada was double from Amazon. I got my DVD and I enjoyed it very much and I was delighted to add it to my collection. I wish Amazon would arrange to deliver to Canada as having to drive to the US to pick up a parcel at a designated place is a bit much. Thank you again, Amazon, and I hope you will consider finding the same products in Canada or the US or rather than selling it or going overseas, keep it at home, keep it Americans, and keep Canadians working. Five stars.

[Jason Manzuk]

What the fuck is that review about?

[Paul Shear]

This person is pissed off.

[Jason Manzuk]

It starts about this movie and ends with keep Canadians working.

[Paul Shear]

Capitalism.

[Jason Manzuk]

Wow.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzuk]

Capitalism indeed. And that was. That review was written by Justin Trudeau.

[Paul Shear]

And you know what a lot of his legislation gets. Gets first started at the review level and then it moves up. That's the way you have to do it in Canada, apparently.

[Jason Manzuk]

We've got some great reviews. We're having fun.

[Paul Shear]

R. Kass writes this, the title. Great movie. My wife and I love this movie.

[Jason Manzuk]

We feel divorced.

[Paul Shear]

We feel that the FX for the wings were done extremely well. Much better and more realistic than what I think could be done with cg. We just love the detail put into this movie and we're happy to add it to our DVD collection. Five stars. Great movie.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Can I say one thing about that? I agree. I think because the wings were not too white, I guess they just seemed like they had been, I don't know, used for some time.

[Paul Shear]

Wow. That's why she's behaving badly. She's behaving badly. Now she's behaving better.

[Jason Manzuk]

Like, those were used wings. Used wings a good way. I agree. And I thought they. I actually thought they looked good as well. And I thought they did a good job of not giving us too much access to them so as to let them be.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Let them breathe.

[Jason Manzuk]

Let them look.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Although I did it. Although I did take issue with the scene where he was trying to disguise her. I can understand putting a coat on the wings, but why does she need to be in a hat and sunglasses?

[Jason Manzuk]

I'm so sorry. Also, why does she need high heels?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Get her flats.

[Jason Manzuk]

Angel sneakers, please.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Get her flags.

[Paul Shear]

Sneakers or flip flops. Give her anything. There's a decidedly angry attitude to a lot of.

[Jason Manzuk]

You want to put an angel in.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Why she doesn't belong in flip flops. Fall.

[Jason Manzuk]

You want to put an ang.

[June Diane Rayfield]

She's. She's an angel.

[Jason Manzuk]

That's my favorite John Prine song. Angel and flip.

[Paul Shear]

Angel and flip flops. Walking through my life Isn't that that.

[Jason Manzuk]

I don't know if you're with me tonight. Minneapolis. Oh, God. Come tomorrow night. We'll see what's up in the.

[Paul Shear]

In the toughest times. I was carrying you, but I tripped on my flip flops right that's the Footprints. Ed from Denver writes this. The title is what is there to say about a Movie I Ordered? What is there to say about a movie I ordered? Because I already knew about it before I ordered it. Five stars. I think he thought he needed to like. I think he's confused about what reviews are. I will.

[Jason Manzuk]

I will read one.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You think he ordered it and then got the email and it was like, leave a review here. And he was just like, well, it hasn't arrived yet.

[Paul Shear]

But I mean, I already ordered. Yeah, I ordered it. It came review. I gave you a review of the ordering process. This is a review written by Iamblessed.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay.

[Paul Shear]

The title is for angel lovers and others. To me, a collector of angel lore, Emmanuel Bart is the personification of angels. My guardian angel agrees.

[Jason Manzuk]

What?

[Paul Shear]

And I think you will agree. Five stars.

[Jason Manzuk]

That's chilling. I just picture that person watching the movie and then looking at an empty chair and being like, I know. Me too.

[Paul Shear]

So those are some five star reviews. We got a bunch there. A bunch of great ones. I guess the question is, would you recommend this movie? Yes.

[Jason Manzuk]

Yes. Forever and always.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Absolutely.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzuk]

If only to see what a piece of shit Tad is for choosing this angel who is not gonna be with him forever. She's just clearly glomming onto him for her music career for him to pass up. Phoebe Cates again. This is a movie about Phoebe Cates. I won't hear anything else. And it's fantastic. Everybody should watch it.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah. This is truly like. This was a find. This was a wonderful find. And I did genuinely enjoy. I did enjoy it. I think. I think I really. I don't know which end is up anymore. I think I really enjoyed it.

[Paul Shear]

This movie was released in the theater and made like, this is a real movie. We're gonna see it. Like there were no questions asked. This feels to me like whatever you want to do, make it.

[Jason Manzuk]

And they're paying for music. The Cars, Steve Wynwood. There are needle drops of hit songs. Steve Winwood's the Finer Things is in this song. Don't worry. I had that tape, guys.

[Paul Shear]

Me too. It actually made me love this point.

[Jason Manzuk]

I was 15 years old. I had this tape. I listened to this song and I was lonely.

[Paul Shear]

The movie bankrupted the studio that released it. They thought it was gonna help reinvigorate it. But this year was bad for them. And it was a eight million dollar movie that made two million dollars. But it was nominated for best fantasy film at the 1988 Saturn Awards and lost to the Princess Bride.

[Jason Manzuk]

This is a. This. I feel like now this movie would be a faith based movie, you know, or something. It would skew in that direction and would be appropriately not as sexual, not as. Yeah, go ahead.

[Paul Shear]

Here's what I would say. This is Blind Date, the Bruce Willis movie. I think you put Bruce Willis in this movie. I think you put Kim Basinger in this movie. It's a big hit. Great big hit. It's big.

[Jason Manzuk]

We're talking about Splash. I think Splash is so much so similar, but Tom Hanks, Daryl Hannah, it is electric, you know, There you go. It is not an electric connection between any of the people here. And Phoebe Cates is pouring incredible work into like a bottomless pit of nonsense.

[Paul Shear]

I will say this. I think we figured out our shirt, which is the shirt they made in the actual movie. I think that's the one.

[Jason Manzuk]

Pretty. I don't quite remember, but I think that's pretty good.

[Paul Shear]

I think we can just cheat it.

[Jason Manzuk]

And I remember feeling like when I saw it there was like angel wings on the back. Can we do that, Paul? Please? Paul, can we please have two sides, please, Paul?

[Paul Shear]

We are gonna do two sides.

[Jason Manzuk]

Every now and then.

[Paul Shear]

I like to keep the cost down. But you know what? You guys need a two sided shirt.

[Jason Manzuk]

Minneapolis. Thank you everybody for coming out here tonight.

[Paul Shear]

Now, Billy Joel, good night, everybody.

[Jason Manzuk]

Eat shit, Minneapolis.

[Paul Shear]

That is a wrap on Date with an Angel. Thanks again to the entire staff at the Pantages Theater and our fantastic Minneapolis audience. We love you, Minnie. Our T shirt design for this episode says angel just in quotes on the front with an image of huge angel wings on the back. To get this shirt and more, just click on the merch [e-mail] as always, if you have a correction or omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619paulask or write a comment on our discord at discord gg hdtgm and I'll respond to your messages next week on Last Looks. Dinosaur Improv will be back at Largo in Los Angeles on February 28th with Edie Patterson and Nicole Byers. So many great people. Danielle Schneider will be there as well as Rob Huebel myself. You can watch Dark Web every single week for free on YouTube. And remember, if you listen to this podcast on Apple or Spotify, make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us and we appreciate it a lot. And lastly, I give a huge thanks to our behind the scenes team. I'm talking about our producer, Scott Sahni, Molly Reynolds, our engineer, Casey Holford, our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum, and our intern, Quinn Jennings. We will forever be thankful to the one and only Avril Halley. That's all I got. We'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now. The perpetual pen tapper, the arbitrary fridge reorganizer, the holiday party planner that starts in May. Principal knows your star employees have their work quirks. Principal also knows how much these employees mean to your business. You need them. They need benefits. Work with principals so they can help you help your team with a retirement and benefits plan that's right for them. Principal Life Insurance Company, Des Moines, Iowa. Hey, this is Will Arnett, host of Smartless. Smartless is a podcast with myself and Sean Hayes and Jason Bateman, where each week one of us reveals a mystery guest to the other two. We dive deep with guests that you love, like Bill Hader, Selena Gomez, Jennifer Aniston, David Beckham, Kristen Stewart, and tons more. So join us for a genuinely improvised and authentic conversation filled with laughter and newfound knowledge to feed the smartless mind. Listen to Smartless now on the SiriusXM app. Download it today.