Deadfall LIVE! w/ Chelsea Peretti (HDTGM Matinee)

Summary

How Did This Get Made? – “Deadfall” LIVE! w/ Chelsea Peretti (HDTGM Matinee)

Podcast: How Did This Get Made?

Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas
Guest: Chelsea Peretti
Recording: Live at The Wiltern, Los Angeles
Episode Date: September 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

This live episode dives deep into the 1993 crime noir disasterpiece, "Deadfall," directed by Christopher Coppola and starring Nicolas Cage, Michael Biehn, and James Coburn. The panel of comedians—Paul, June, Jason, and guest Chelsea Peretti—joyfully unravels the infamous and confounding elements of the film, relishes Nicolas Cage’s career-defining unhinged performance, debates the plot’s logic (or lack thereof), and revels in the movie’s spectacular weirdness. Expect spirited audience interactions, extended riffs on locket etiquette, production slapdashery, over-the-top acting choices, and of course, a prolonged debate over the meaning of its very title.

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Main Discussion Points and Insights

1. Discovering “Deadfall” and Initial Reactions

• Paul sets the tone, calling this Nicolas Cage performance the hidden gem of his career:

  "This is like finding treasure in your backyard. Nicolas Cage. This crazy and no one told me...This doesn't even make the clip reels of people showing you how crazy Nicolas Cage is." (02:00)

• Jason expresses disbelief that this movie had not come up sooner:

  “I blame you fucks for this.” (04:00)

• June did not enjoy the ride, immediately bracing herself for the show’s signature “let’s make June suffer” running joke.

  “I was glad we hadn't done it yet. And I was sad that we had to do it.” (06:43)

• Chelsea Peretti confesses she almost watched the wrong "Deadfall" (2012's Olivia Wilde thriller) by accident due to a hyperlink mishap.

  “I watched a whole snowy hellscape...I missed my child’s opera debut at the Met.” (11:05/12:42)

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2. The Name “Deadfall” – The Most Prolonged Title Debate in HDTGM History

• What does “Deadfall” mean anyway?
  Extended confusion and jokes about the title dominate the early show. An audience member, Clark, finally provides a definition: a deadfall is a trap using a heavy object triggered to kill or catch prey (14:05). Still, the hosts admit the metaphor eludes them regarding the film’s plot.

  Jason: “I will agree. This has a title that is a...benign, weird, nonsense thing.” (08:35)

  June: “I don't know what that word means.” (08:00)

• “How Did This Get Titled”

  Jason: “I'm going to predict this right now. We will not talk about this movie...and we will only talk about the fucking title. How Did This Get Titled episode one.” (16:03)

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3. Production Oddities and Trivia (19:50–21:15)

• The movie's author, Nick Vallelonga, won an Oscar for “Green Book.” The hosts are floored:

  Paul: “When I saw his name on the screen I bolted out of bed.” (19:50)

• The lack of production and sound design is a recurring theme:

  Paul: “...it's deadly silent. I mean it’s sound design. It’s...unnerving.” (21:13)
  Jason: “And you know where it’s most evident? In the sex scene...like slow people having sex who didn’t turn any music on.” (21:14)

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4. Lopsided Noirish Logic, Plot, and Performances

The Sex Scene and the Locket

• Locket discourse:

  June: “Do men wear lockets? Not to make it heteronormative, but it doesn't seem like...” (31:47)
  Jason: “...he takes it off before sex. Like, hold on. But props it up over so mom can watch him fuck.” (32:11)

• Too Much Boob (TMB):

  Paul: “Too much boob.” (25:43)
  Jason: “Beg to differ, but I mean, that’s fine.” (25:51)

Classic Film Noir Parody

• The hosts dissect “Deadfall’s” attempt at noir tropes, especially the femme fatale:

  Jason: "This is like the archetype is a classic film noir...the femme fatale seduces the guy...Their chemistry is a straight zero." (26:04/27:14)
  June: "She seems like a person who has access to a femme fatale's closet, but is not the femme fatale." (27:28)

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5. Nicolas Cage: The Performance

• Everyone agrees: Cage is on another planet ("half Tony Clifton, half Al Pacino’s Scarface"), with a voice, look, and commitment unmatched in any other film.

  Jason: “I feel like he was like, hey, do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton?...I'm obsessed with it.” (34:12)
  Paul: “I picked that scene because literally every line is a different...voice.” (37:54)

Favorite Cage Moments (36:44–38:14)

• Paul plays one of Cage’s bar scenes, revealing Cage’s wild, almost improvisational delivery.
• Chelsea offers perhaps the episode’s best line:

  "His performance feels like...between takes, you're joking around with the other actors—'see my line like this?'—and then he actually did it." (33:51)

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6. Directorial Nepotism and “Deadfall” Cinematic Universe

• Revelations that director Christopher Coppola is Nic Cage’s brother spark theories:

  Jason: “It makes so much sense as to why Nic Cage is allowed to do what he’s doing.” (28:11)

• Sequel shock: Paul announces that Cage reprised his “Deadfall” character in 2017’s “Arsenal” (aka an unofficial Deadfall 2):

  Paul: “Nicolas Cage took this character and made a sequel in 2017.” (39:25)

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7. The Plot...A “Masterful” Mess (43:07–47:10)

• Hosts attempt and repeatedly abandon efforts to explain the con at the movie’s core:

  June: “Can anyone up here take a stab at just what ultimately...the con was?” (42:57)
  Paul: "...the dad fakes his death...so the son starts working for his brother to get involved in this big diamond con..." (43:12)

• The Cake!

  • The engagement ring “cake box” plot device bewilders everyone for a solid ten minutes.
  • The “cake” is a figurine-like box containing an engagement ring, but nobody can explain why it’s shaped like a cake (44:49–53:12).

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8. Noteworthy Side Characters and Production Quirks

• Charlie Sheen as Morgan Grip (“Fats”), the pool hustler:

  • Referred to as doing “femme fatale Halloween every year.” (27:38)
  • The pool scene includes an awkward Mark Twain monologue:

    Charlie Sheen: "Mark Twain, the genius behind Huck Finn. Tom Sawyer, personal favorite of mine, a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court…” (60:06)

• Villains and Gang Comic-Bookery:

  • The bizarre lobster-claw-handed diamond dealer:

    Jason: “That guy and Nicolas Cage are in the same movie...They're in Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead...somewhere they're linked up. It’s called Eddie and the Claw.” (61:41)

• Mickey Dolenz as a pretzel salesman (from the Monkees):

  Jason: “Shouts to whom, dude, Mickey Dolenz from the Monkees...as a pretzel salesman.” (35:38)

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9. Real Audience, Real Questions (66:02–70:15)

• Crowd Q&A in Nicolas Cage impressions—ranging from confusion about the boiling oil death scene to hypothetical twin reveals.
  • Standout moment:

    Annabelle: “The murder scene in the vat of boiling oil is so vile, violent, and so disgusting. How did you, like, justify that in your, like, brains?” (66:36)

  • Panel acknowledges that the movie’s sudden Nicholas Cage death is a devastating drop in entertainment.

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10. Second Opinions (71:22–75:59)

• Song parodies from the audience echoing the confusion and delight.
• Readings from genuinely sincere and sarcastic Amazon rave reviews.

  “The dark scenes are blacker than noir and the dialogue is riper than pulp Fiction…The musical sore is straight out of history.” (75:27)

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11. Final Stats and Nonsense

• Budget: $10 million

• Opening weekend: $9,183 | Total gross: $18,369

• Only 7 movies made LESS money in 1993. Rotten Tomatoes rating: 0%

• Sequels exist. “Zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes. And we thank our producer Avril…” (77:27)

• Notable quote:

  Paul: “This was a wild ride, this movie. I enjoyed the abject nonsense of this trash.” (65:16)

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Memorable Quotes

“His performance feels like...it’s between takes, you’re joking around...‘see my line like this?’...and then he actually did it.”
—Chelsea Peretti (33:51)

"I feel like he was like, hey, do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton? I will do it."
—Jason Mantzoukas (34:12)

“I was glad we hadn't done it yet. And I was sad that we had to do it.”
—June Diane Raphael (06:43)

"This is like finding treasure in your backyard. Nicolas Cage. This crazy and no one told me."
—Paul Scheer (02:00)

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Key Timestamps

• [02:00] Paul’s disbelief this movie went unnoticed
• [06:43] June expresses dismay at having to watch “Deadfall”
• [14:05] Audience member Clark explains “deadfall” trap
• [19:50] Revealing the “Green Book” connection
• [21:14] “Aggressively low budget” sound and production talk
• [25:43] “Too much boob”
• [28:11] Jason on Coppola/Cage family enabling
• [33:51] Chelsea on Cage’s performance as ramped-up riffing
• [34:12] Jason: “Do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton?”
• [37:54] Diversity of Cage’s scene performances
• [39:25] Paul reveals Cage made a sequel in 2017
• [42:57] Defining the “con” becomes futile
• [44:49–53:12] The “cake” box debate
• [60:06] Charlie Sheen delivers the infamous Mark Twain monologue
• [61:41] Jason proposes a Cage/Lobster-Claw villain buddy film
• [66:36] Audience Q&A highlights
• [71:22–75:59] Second opinions and wild Amazon reviews

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Tone and Style

The language is loose, raucous, and playful—filled with asides, running bits, tangents, and joyfully affectionate mockery for both the movie and each other. The hosts improvise, pounce on non sequiturs, and continually escalate their own jokes.

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Summary

TL;DR:
The “Deadfall” live episode delivers an epic, hilarious dissection of one of Nicolas Cage’s battiest movies, filled with as much confusion about its title and plot as delight in its pure, bonkers Cage-ness. The panel’s irreverent, sharp banter (plus Chelsea Peretti’s dry wit and audience participation) ensures that even those who have never seen—nor ever plan to see—Deadfall will savor every moment.

Transcript

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It's like an executive at Lifetime decided, hey, we should make a Quentin Tarantino movie. We saw Deadfall, so you know what that means.

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Hey, everybody.

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Now it's time for H E T G M. Hey, everybody. Hey, everybody.

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Hello, people of Earth.

[B]

And hello, people of Los Angeles. We are live at the Wiltern Theater to talk about Deadfall. Who's got the cake? What is the cake? Is it actually cake? We will get the answer to all these questions and more. Man alive. I cannot believe I've been alive this long and did not know this movie existed. This should have been done year one of this show. It's so good. This is like finding treasure in your backyard. Nicolas Cage. This crazy and no one told me. This doesn't even make the clip reels of people showing you how crazy Nicolas Cage is. To dissect this movie, I have to bring out my two amazing co hosts. But first, let me bring out Mr. Jason Mantzoukas.

[C]

What's up, jerks? What's happening, Los Angeles? How we doing tonight? How we doing? Balcony monsters. Monsters.

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Balcony monsters in full effect.

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Oh, my God.

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Funny thing about the balcony monsters. Never wear pants. Just the shirts.

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Pantsless. Just putting their asses on those seats, rubbing them around, Getting that Wiltern butt. Got a bad case of Wiltern, but.

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Oh, yeah, Jason Deadfall.

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Loved it.

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You can't.

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This was. Where was this? This is a gem. Absolutely. Nicolas Cage was a revelation in this movie. This was. I didn't even know this. This is out there and nobody's been like, how have you not done this? I blame you fucks for this.

[B]

I also feel like this is a movie where every scene they introduce something new that tops the craziness of every scene before it. Yes.

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You're like, now we're in a pool shark movie with Charlie Sheen. What it's all about. Geometry, Triangles.

[B]

Mark Twain.

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Parallelogram.

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Adventures of Tom Sawyer.

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And my favorite, a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court. No. Is that what he says?

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What does he say about. Yeah, he only lists titles of the books when he described Mark Twain.

[C]

Never read those books. Never.

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Why would you improvise such a thing? I feel like that was clearly an improvised moment and he got caught. He's like, Mark Twain. What do I know? What do I know? Books should have been like books. Writer.

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You want me to talk about. You want me to talk about books, right? Well, I'm gonna need a pencil thin mustache.

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Get me the best red suit you can find. Take the curtains down. Just like Gone with the Wind. Make me a jacket.

[C]

Stop plugging. Unspooled.

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Don't worry about it. Controversial. Classic. Yes, it is. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome my second co host, the lovely June Diane Rayfield. How are you, June?

[D]

I'm good. How are you, Paul?

[B]

Very good, thank you for asking. June, thoughts about Deadfall?

[D]

I mean, I had a hard time hearing you guys back there, but it seems like you enjoyed this movie. I did not.

[B]

Okay, fair point, fair point.

[D]

I did wonder. Again, it was hard to hear, but I did wonder why we hadn't done it yet. And I was glad we hadn't done it yet. And I was sad that we had to do it.

[C]

Would you be sad to find out we're replacing every night of the tour with this movie?

[B]

That's the tour?

[C]

The tour.

[B]

The Deadpool.

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The tour is making June watch this movie every night.

[D]

You know, a couple of people asked me today in my travels around the city and.

[B]

You do travel?

[D]

Oh, I do.

[C]

Who are you talking to? Are you on a bird? Are you just on a bird scooter rolling through town?

[D]

I mean, listen, I love Community. I love the TV show.

[C]

Engaging six seasons in a movie.

[B]

He's not announcing. He's not announcing the movie.

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This is not. Get it together.

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La. Get it together.

[D]

So, so many people ask me today, and some of these people Are friends and people I know and some I didn't know. What's the movie tonight? And I always think this is a sign of a terrible experience at a movie theater where I could not remember the name. And I said, it's two words.

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It's.

[D]

But it's already one word.

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Yes, it is.

[B]

It is one word.

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In this. In this instance, it is.

[B]

Yes, they are two words.

[D]

But is this a word? What do you. Let's bring out our guests and we'll get into it because I don't want to. I don't want to. I have more questions about the title.

[B]

But let's just finish your thought. You.

[D]

Well, but if it's one word, what does that word mean to you?

[B]

Well, we should bring it up again. I just, I thought you said it's a terrible experience when you go to a movie and you don't.

[D]

And, well, when you can't. When you can't put the title to the movie at all. When you can't. It's like I feel like every movie we've done is called whatever this movie is.

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This. I will agree. This has a title that is a. Like, there are. It's a benign, weird, nonsense thing. Yes, I agree.

[D]

And it feels like so many movies we've done. And when you said. I said, what is the movie we're doing?

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It doesn't feel like so many movies. Nicolas Cage is doing something that might as well be an animated character in the middle of this movie. I mean, I believe to be in blackface for most of this movie. I don't know what's doing with his deal.

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I guess.

[B]

I mean, June doesn't see performances. She just sees titles.

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Let's bring out our guest, Paul. And then at some point, I'd like to return to this conversation.

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I would love to bring us back to that because titles actually is going to come into play with our guest. And our guest has the unique distinction of having an eye for talent. She is the person who saw Oscar Isaac and said, yeah, that guy's got the goods. And she was right. She also is one of the greats, one of the stars of Brooklyn 9 9. Please welcome Chelsea. Chelsea Welco. Welcome back, Chelsea.

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Thank you.

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Speaking of titles, speaking of titles, this movie is called Deadfall. There are two movies called Deadfall, one with Nicolas Cage and one with Olivia Wilde. You watch the Olivia Wilde one? Tell us about that.

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I think what happened is that one, God hates Me two. Your email. I think that Gmail created a hyperlink. Is that the right terminology? So I clicked the title, thinking you somehow set that up.

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Got it.

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Thus, it brought me to the Olivia Wilde Oscar Isaac. No, he's not in it.

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Oh, he's not? Okay.

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No, no, no. Then I wouldn't be filled with rage, but yeah. So I watched a whole snowy hellscape.

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Was it an enjoyable movie? Were you confused why we were doing it? Or would it fit into the show?

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I have to say, it outdoes this Deadfall.

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Wow.

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I have to say, you should now do Deadfall part two.

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Can.

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I told you, every movie we do is called Deadpool Fall.

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I'll say this, I think we should do regardless all the deadfalls.

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Every Dead.

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Let's do every Dead.

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And Deadpool too. Why not just put it all in there? Anything with Dead.

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Any combination of Dead and Fall in other titles. I'll do that as well.

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So let's talk about the title.

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Are you sure you didn't hyperlink that?

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Yes, we checked it out. It was.

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I mean, because that's a big mistake.

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I know. Like, also like. And there's multiple deadfalls. Why don't you spell it out right?

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I literally put in the email to Chelsea, no, this Deadfall that stars Nick Cage.

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I also got that email. I didn't click on the link, but if I had, I would have been just as fucked as Chels.

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That's right.

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I clicked on the links that I sent Chelsea. They all led to Deadfall.

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No, I'll show you. I'll show you after the show. I wouldn't dream to waste everyone's time with something this minor. Just me spending hours and hours watching Deadfalls of every iteration.

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Like during. Did your child do anything for the first time during the course of you watching the wrong Deadfall?

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I missed him. He sang opera for the first time at the Met.

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At the Met.

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At the Met.

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He was on stage at the Met.

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Wow.

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In Italian and French, apparently.

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And you had to watch Olivia Wilde Deadfall?

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Yeah. She had always, like, a dark lip.

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And.

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Tons of CGI snow. And she was just always, like.

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With.

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A dark lip peering through CGI snow.

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Well, let's talk about the title Deadfall. Because, June, you have an issue with this simple merging of words.

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I mean, what does deadfall mean to you?

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Honestly, I don't know. I'm not defending it. Like, dead drop would be a term that I've heard.

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I mean, maybe I'm gonna make myself look a fool right now, but I don't know what that word means.

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I wonder, does anybody know? Nerds. Is there a definition for deadfall that Makes sense for this movie. And if so, can one of you numb nuts figure out how to tell us?

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I have somebody here. We're gonna go down to the audience. We're gonna get him right away. This guy seemed very confident.

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Okay, careful, Paul, careful.

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I saw, sir, careful. First, tell me your name. Paul.

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Hold on.

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My name is Clark.

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This is Clark. Clark, explain to us.

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Ask him if he's Superman. Take the glasses off.

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Take your glasses off. Oh, yes, Clark, tell us what deadfall means.

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A deadfall is a type of trap in which a heavy object is triggered to catch and maybe kill or capture your prey. Whoa. Okay.

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Way to go, Clark.

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Did you retain anything?

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A heavy trap. That's capture. Like a bear trap.

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So it would be like if you set, like, a tree. It'd be like, if you set a tree up to, like, this and somebody were to follow through, the tree would. The tree would fall down and kill an animal.

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It's a killing trap.

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It's a killing trap. Like, I'm assuming if you're hunting or.

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Something, does that make sense for your dead fall?

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That's a tree fall.

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And no, you would set it up like a human being would set it up to do it. When triggered, like, purposeful.

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But more accurately, that name seems better. I don't know. Like, as he was describing it, I was just zoning out. I can't.

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Like, it was hard.

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I can't retain that kind of a.

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Definition because it's hard to think of, like, well, so what. What is an example of a deadfall, Clark?

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A tree.

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Go back to Clark for a second. He seems by the expert, Clark. I'm already giving Clark a lot of credit because first of all, he was so succinct. He was right on it. And we're still having trouble with it. It's not your fault. It's our fault.

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Yes, well, I think Wiley Coyote uses that device quite a bit. Use a heavy rock, a lot of happy people.

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And then attached to a rope that you pull when you see your prey. Got it. So, like, okay, so he was saying, like, the Wile E. Coyote Roadrunner traps. Again, a beautiful description. A heavy rock with a small twig. You pull the thing and the rock falls in. So it's a kill trap.

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Is that the only definition?

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Does someone have a different definition?

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Is there another example? Is there another example?

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I'm going to predict this right now. We will not talk about this movie. We will finish this podcast. You will listen to nine ads for Blue Apron, and we will only talk about the fucking title. How did this get titled episode one.

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The taglines of this movie were the Ultimate Con.

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It starts with an ellipsis.

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Yep.

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Nope. And because that presumes that something was the first half of that sentence.

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Nope, the Ultimate Con. And the second tagline was how about it?

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What if it was just like James Khan, the Ultimate Con?

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Let's talk about trivia. This movie was written by the writer of Green Book, Nick Valalonga. When I saw his name on the screen, I bolted out of bed. He also plays one of the workers in the pizza coffee shop place as well.

[C]

Wow. Wowee.

[B]

And Nick Valonga. His father is Tony Lip, the man that Viggo Mortensen played in Green Book. But yeah, so this is a, this is, this is a precursor to Green Book.

[C]

That you are. Wow. Wow. Which one's better?

[B]

Nick Vallonga also wrote a movie called in the Kingdom of the Blind. The man with One Eye Is King. The Corporate Ladder Choker.

[E]

This is all one title.

[B]

So yeah, this is, this is an interesting look back at where his career started and where it went to and all that sort of stuff. This movie is amazing because it starts it, it looks aggressively low budget. And I said to June, one of the things that really is really shocking to me and I couldn't figure out, why is this movie so weird? And it's because there's no production design. And, and I don't mean that visually. I mean it's sound design. It's deadly silent.

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Yes.

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And it's unnerving.

[C]

And you know where it's like most evident? In the sex scene. The sex scene was basically like slow people having sex who didn't turn any music on. It was like real weird.

[D]

Well, there was something. I felt like there was also a lot of, of ill fitting underwear in this movie. Just like baggy undies and like, ooh, say it slower.

[C]

Baggy undies.

[D]

I had a very bad reaction to her underwear. His underwear. I feel like. I wish it would. I want the underwear to be either very tight or very loose. But it was so very loose.

[B]

I don't want to Be very loose.

[C]

What's an example?

[B]

No big deal, guys.

[C]

I wear some very loose pants off. What's going on?

[E]

Every other day you switch it up.

[B]

I'm just like putting it in there with a spatula. Gotta get it pulled through the pants.

[C]

Paul takes his pants off and he's got incredible bloomers on, like so loose and. And pig billowy underwear.

[E]

Parachute. They're made out of a parachute.

[C]

If you look at Paul, it's just bunched up in his jeans.

[B]

I will say to put boxes 3.

[C]

Yards of fabric.

[B]

I have to pull them through the bottom of my pants.

[D]

Like conversation. We get into a lot with our children where I like their underwear to be tighter.

[B]

Yeah. And I say to June, you need to give him a little bit of space for all everything, you know.

[D]

But I'm like, let's it. Doesn't it all need to be contained?

[B]

And I say no.

[C]

Doesn'T it? Are you afraid they're gonna get loose?

[D]

I just want it to be. It's more with pajamas.

[B]

I mean pajamas. You like to put them in like a sausage casing pajamas.

[D]

You know why though? That is because. Because if there were ever, God forbid, a fire, they are safer in very form fitting pajamas.

[E]

But guess what they are. It's not gonna be a fire.

[C]

And they sleep in.

[E]

There's gonna be an earthquake.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[E]

Too.

[C]

But they sleep in wrestling singlets. Right. Or scuba suits.

[D]

I don't like. I'm actually concerned about it right now. Paul's purchased both of them. Pajamas that are loose. If they're running through a burning house, there's much more of a chance of.

[B]

They'Re gonna see a paw patrol. Just paw patrol pajamas. Running flappy paw patrol pajamas.

[C]

Well, it was like made of like, like fabric based kerosene.

[B]

I'm sure they all say non flammable. I will say that there is something about seeing a man in boxers in a sex scene when he goes to grab his junk out. It's like, ooh, I didn't like it. I didn't like boxers. Just be bare assed or like you said wear jockeys or something.

[C]

His hairy ass crack in this movie. And I was like, what is this? Could you. It's like a straight down the shoe.

[E]

Yes, I, I was actually, I, I commend Coppola for that one.

[C]

Yes, Chris Coppola.

[E]

It went up. Yeah.

[B]

Yes. Chris Coppola, Nicolas Cage's brother.

[E]

It went kind of down into his butt crack and then it like went back like that.

[C]

It was like. It just almost did it Just to be like. In case you're wondering what's doing inside his butt crack. Yeah, here's. Here's a peek.

[E]

Let's zoom you in there.

[C]

Here's a. Hey, sexy, dingleberry alert. Like, this was. This was a wild moment.

[E]

And she reached into his pants.

[B]

Oh, you're right. That's what it was.

[E]

She reached. I remember that shot. Cause again, it was sort of evolved for me. And she reached in there and grabbed it.

[B]

She reached in like you would be reaching into, like, some sort of, like, prize chest. Like, let me. What am I gonna get? Gotta go deeper at the bottom. Like. Like, as if there was other dicks that you'd pass around. Not gonna grab. Nope, nope, nope. That's the one. That's the one I want.

[C]

It was like. Well, that's what happens inside a billowy underwear.

[D]

That's why I'm saying, keep it tight, keep it together. Know what you're gonna get.

[B]

But this movie did definitely have too much boob. I said tmb. I mean, the boob.

[C]

Too much boob.

[B]

Too much boob.

[C]

Beg to differ, but I mean, that's fine.

[B]

Boo. I just felt like it was, like, gratuitous and not sexy. It was just sort of like, almost like an art class.

[C]

What was hard for me was this movie is. And we've not really described what the movie is at all, which I love, by the way. But this is like the archetype is a classic film noir. He is a, you know, where the femme fatale seduces the guy. The. The guy into falling into a trap.

[B]

And blah, blah, blah, like Double Indemnity.

[D]

Did you watch it?

[B]

On.

[C]

It's almost. But. But that.

[B]

One of the greatest movies. 100 greatest movies. Yeah. On the AFI top list. Yeah.

[C]

Wow. You see how I'm here talking. June. June, can I talk.

[D]

No, I. I'm here talking about classic.

[C]

Film noir, the archetypes of the form, you know, and he just comes in with some unspooled.

[D]

It's honestly, it's a.

[B]

Just let. What did you say?

[C]

No, no, this isn't that shit.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[C]

What did you just call June? Amy?

[B]

I'm so sorry, guys. I'm so sorry.

[C]

And so the archetype dictates that there be a femme fatale to seduce the kind of the guy. And their chemistry is a straight. Straight zero. Like, there is nothing compelling about their chemistry even remotely.

[B]

She seems like a person who has access to a femme fatale's closet, but is not the femme fatale.

[E]

She's Playing dress up.

[B]

Yeah, she's like, oh, that hat.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

She's like a woman who, like every Halloween is a femme fatale.

[B]

Well, this whole movie is costumed like, it was like, the theme is gangster. Like, like even that guy who comes out as the pool hall with Charlie Sheen, who's like, wearing like a black undershirt and like, with a cell phone on the side. It looks like everyone's doing their best. I don't have that much at home. I think this is gangster. Yeah, yeah, it's gangster. It's gangster. You're gangster.

[C]

The idea that you said, and I did not know this, that this was directed by Nicolas Cage's brother.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Makes so much sense as to why Nicholas Cage is allowed to do what he's doing.

[B]

Well, Jason, just to kind of put a little bit of a change of your mind here, he came to set in a cage, dressed in a wig, albino contacts, and sunglasses because he thought it would add authenticity to the character. And then his brother told him, you could not dress however you want for the part. We have people for that.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

But it seems like his brother lost.

[C]

A large part is what they settled on.

[E]

This was the scaled back version.

[C]

This is the version they could agree would be put.

[B]

This is the compromise, I will say too, to go back to the femme fatale lead actor role. At one point when I was watching, I was like, man, this guy reminds me of the guy from Terminator. And they go, oh, it is. It is the guy from Terminator.

[C]

Michael Bean is like, he's in Aliens. He's in so many great movies of this time period. And. But I. I love him. I love him in this era and I love. He's such a. A great he. I think he's such a great face for this period of movies that I'm like, oh, I feel like I never got more of Michael Biehn. I want more Michael Biehn.

[B]

I did not want more Michael Bean.

[C]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

I mean, I want Michael Biehn in those movies. The original actors were Val Kilmer and Joanna Whaley.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah, they pulled out right before the movie started shooting. So these two are real last minute replacements.

[C]

Wow.

[E]

See, pulling out really does offer protection.

[B]

I know we're jumping around, but since we were talking about the sex scene, can I just play the post coital scene? Because this is one of the most disturbing revelations of the film. When she asks about the locket, what was she like?

[C]

The girl in the locket, I barely remember.

[E]

So why do you carry it then?

[C]

It's just kind of a reminder, I guess. Of what things I'm still looking for. Like.

[B]

My God, like, I lied to you. It's not an old girlfriend. It's my mother. It's not an old girlfriend, it's my mom.

[C]

There is in this scene, there is no score. There's not a song. There is. There's nothing exists.

[D]

There's no like street noise, like some something going by. There's no Walla Walla.

[C]

Nope. Yeah.

[E]

A car. Honk.

[C]

Nothing.

[B]

It's deadly silent. It's as silent as that void. That black void that they had sex in because they're in a hotel room. And then it's just a black void.

[C]

And like, it's like in under the Skin where, yes, Charlotte Johansson puts everybody. This movie takes takes place in that liquid.

[B]

I want to show you that movie. June.

[D]

I'm scared.

[C]

I would like to be there to watch June. Watch that movie.

[B]

No, but it's so weird that no sound design. All right, so the movie starts off. Michael Biehn is in.

[D]

Sorry, Paul. So what, is there another person in the locket? Or he just has a locket with just one picture. That's weird. Also, what did happen to his mother?

[B]

And do men wear lockets? Not to make it heteronormative, but it doesn't seem like.

[E]

That's so funny. That never even crossed my mind. Like in this complete shitstorm of incoherent details. I didn't even think of that.

[B]

And then he takes it off before sex. Like, hold on.

[C]

But props it up over so mom can watch him fuck. He's like, I want my mommy to watch us fuck. I didn't know her, so it's not that weird. This gets me off.

[B]

Also.

[C]

Also, I felt like it is strange to have an. There is a sadness to a locket that has two sides and only one side is full.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Maybe she would be the other person.

[C]

It's like wearing a. A be Fry Stu ends best friends locket and being like, I don't know who has the other half.

[D]

Absolutely. So he's walking around with a heart shaped locket around his neck.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Wow. Okay.

[E]

It's funny to me that he thinks it's more awkward to say it's his mom than to say it's another girl.

[C]

Really? Here.

[E]

Like it's better. Oh, I'm memorializing my mom. She died. No, he's hiding that by being like. Like it's a girlfriend that I carry a locket of all the time.

[C]

Or hear. But hear me out. It's also like, it's my mommy that I wear on my heart.

[D]

It's pretty weird.

[E]

If you're, like, trying to get involved with someone, you take that. I mean, they both suck, but you.

[C]

Both are red flags.

[E]

Yeah, they're huge. Huge red flags.

[B]

I mean, good thing that she doesn't have much of a sensibility because she's dating Nick Cage when we meet her. So I think her bar is set very low. And just to get into Nick Cage in this world. Nick Cage in this movie. Wow.

[D]

I mean, it's kind of like there's not. I think the tough thing about it is just like, what do you say? You know, I do.

[E]

I know what to say.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

Phenomenal. No, I feel like his performance feels like, you know, when you're shooting something you guys know. And like, it's like between takes, you're joking around with the other actors. You're like, see my line? Like this. And then he actually did it.

[C]

I feel like he was like, hey, do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton?

[B]

Yes, I wrote that down.

[C]

Do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton? I will do it. It's half Tony Clifton, half Al Pacino's Scarface. Like, I don't know what he's up to, but I'm obsessed with it.

[B]

It's not in.

[C]

It doesn't belong in this.

[B]

It's another movie and it's all through clenched teeth. Let's go. It's like, it's not easy.

[E]

So, like, why does he need a prosthetic nose? Like, there's no reason, is there? Does it come into play in any way?

[B]

I think it came with the glasses.

[D]

Is his character an insane person? Well, yes, but it doesn't seem like the world is reacting to him like, oh, there's a nut. There's a mentally unstable person in our midst. Like, we have to all be quite cautious.

[C]

Oh, arguably, if I'm la. James Coburn, right?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

The uncle. If I'm Uncle Lou or whatever. The idea that this is your right hand man means you're bad at being a gangster. Cause he's.

[B]

He is not subtle.

[D]

He is unwell.

[C]

He is like, everybody is so subtle, including the Monkees. Mickey Dolan's shouts. Shouts to whom, dude, Mickey Dolan's from the Monkeys. He's in there. Everybody's.

[B]

As a pretzel salesman. They. They seemingly. This mafia owns a block, and everyone that is in the block is part of this, like, weird conman mafia. But are they just conning themselves all Day.

[C]

They're running numbers. They're running. They're taking bets on, like, a neighborhood lottery. Basically, they're numbers runners, whatever. In what looked to me like the farmer's market.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Which was very strange. But, like, if. But Nicholas, like, they're all doing such a good job of being subtle about the crime they're committing. And Nicolas Cage is literally enormous. He's his. He's dressed insanely. He's screaming all of his lines, everything. I mean, if you did not watch the movie, I'm certain there's some compilation of his scenes.

[B]

Well, I mean, you have to find it. Here's a little taste of Nick in the. Nick in the bar. Here we go. What's your problem, boy?

[A]

I thought we were seven.

[C]

Well, we are that baby.

[B]

There's nothing to worry about.

[C]

What the hell you bothering me for?

[B]

My baby's a little cranky tonight, huh? Yeah. I don't dig looking at your ugly face.

[C]

Now, your partner, Evil, is a cool dude.

[B]

Cool enough to get the baby to burp up 1500. I didn't be in jack shit. He told me all I had to do was walk outside with him, shake.

[C]

His head, and I was even.

[B]

Are you telling me that was his fucking money? Somebody's after your job, boy.

[C]

I bet he even stole your woman.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[C]

Look at that.

[B]

I picked that scene. I picked that scene because literally every line is a different.

[C]

Different voice.

[B]

Different voice.

[C]

Yep. Different place. That's. That. Let me be clear. That's the only take they could use. However many takes they did, they were like, this is the only one. This is the one that makes the most sense, I guess.

[B]

Excuse me, Nick, I know we're brothers, but can you not throw water in the face of the extras without telling them? And also, don't. I don't punch an extra 2 because in a second later, he just punches a guy in the stomach. And I feel like no one was aware of any of that.

[C]

It is. He's basically in the middle of a noir. Like a CD noir riff. A terrible CD noir riff. He's basically doing a commedia dell' Arte character. He's playing like a clown.

[D]

Yeah, he's stated, like, you are in commedia. Like you're just. Just angry. You're just sad. He's fully stated the entire movie.

[B]

I mean, I love, though, the commitment to it because no one else is doing this. It's not like it's so big.

[C]

Can you imagine being in a scene with this?

[E]

Well, that's sort of what I'm saying. I Genuinely think. I don't think he thought this was going to be a good movie movie. I think he sort of is like, my brother sucks, like, and I'm just gonna have fun. You know what I mean?

[C]

Like, well, Chelsea, I think he thought.

[E]

This was a well conceived.

[B]

Chelsea, I would agree with you, except he made a sequel to this movie. Nicolas Cage took this character and made a sequel in 2017. What?

[C]

What are you talking about?

[E]

I love it.

[C]

What? What are you talking about? Is it. Is it called Deadfall 2? The Rise of Eddie.

[B]

Let me see.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Okay, so. So this movie comes out in 1993 and 2017. Nicolas Cage brings back Eddie with a very interesting grouping of people. Bear with it, because he comes in a little bit later, but here we go. It's worth it, you know, Mikey, I have a job for you if you want it.

[C]

We're brothers. Don't worry about me. Listen, I need to talk to you about Mikey. It's always something. Is it true what I heard you.

[B]

Bought some coke, you wanted to flip it?

[C]

What do you want me to say? So you. You're a drug dealer now? Gr.

[B]

My call car. Where is it?

[D]

Your brother is always getting into trouble.

[C]

It's Mikey. I owe everything to him. I think we're even. Oh, you think we're even, you and I? I know of a way where we can both earn what we deserve. There's no amount of money that I would do that for you.

[B]

Oh, man, you owe me.

[C]

Wow. And again, like a. What looks like a gritty crime thriller with a cartoon character with Tony Clifton in the middle of it.

[B]

By the way, how it is even.

[D]

Exist in this movie Ever survived the deep fryer death, Right.

[B]

With no scar?

[E]

No.

[C]

Here's the challenge. It looks make the third movie.

[B]

By the way, this is not even two years old.

[C]

My question was ultimately, who is that?

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Who is like in the bus. In the bus when Michael Biehn is taking the bus. We rack focus to this guy. And I was like, huh, okay, well, obviously that guy's part of the story.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And then here he is again and he gets killed outside. And did anybody ever tell me where and why the beard guy was involved? Right.

[B]

I understood it as there's an ad in backstage. It says if you had a fake beard, a fake wig, a tick or a voice, you could just show up and you get peppy in the movie.

[C]

Like, I genuinely did not know.

[D]

I'm assuming that the uncle must have hired him or did his dad hire his dad?

[B]

Probably hired him. To keep an eye on.

[C]

Was the dad trying to. Using this guy? Okay, I get it. James Coburn, the dad, hired Fake Beard to kill Nick Cage because Nick Cage might kill Michael B. Oh, got it. Right. But that's got to be it, because he probably wanted to protect his son within the dangerous situation he was putting his son in without his son's knowledge, and saw Nicholas Cage as so erratic as to be potentially a threat to the sun, which Nicholas Cage was already starting to assume that Michael Biehn was trying to kill him. Right.

[B]

I don't know.

[D]

I don't know.

[B]

That makes sense.

[D]

Can anyone up here take a stab at just what ultimately, from beginning to end, the con was?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

I mean, I think from beginning to end, like the beginning of the movie.

[B]

Yes. So he basically, the dad fakes his death, knowing that the son will go find his brother, and then the son will start working for the brother to get involved in this big diamond con.

[D]

And then how would the dad know that?

[B]

It's a leap of faith.

[D]

It's a real.

[C]

Wait, was the dad dad. Did the dad set that up?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Did the dad.

[D]

The diamond.

[C]

Did the dad set the diamond deal in motion with Harry Houdini or whatever? Harry, Harry.

[B]

Wait, the first.

[C]

The.

[B]

The first one or the second diamond one?

[C]

This. The. The only. The only diamond macro. Because. Okay, so you have James Coburn, the dad. Right. And in the opening scene, Michael Bean thinks he's killed him. And everybody goes their separate ways. Okay. Peter Fonda, everybody else.

[B]

Right.

[D]

But he also walks out with. Doesn't he walk out with money?

[B]

And Peter Fonda does say to him, like, your dad wants you to get the cake. Yeah, so that's. That's.

[C]

And his dad's dying words were, go to my brother, get the cake. Or.

[B]

Yeah, so that's.

[C]

Whatever.

[E]

Like, of all this. I just heard cake.

[C]

Yes, agree.

[E]

The whole movie, I was just like, cake.

[C]

And it really was like, in the cake, I guess, again, like a noiri way. I guess the cake is like. Like contains a thing like the Maltese Falcon.

[B]

I thought the cake was. I think that cake is a diamond.

[C]

No, the. The engagement ring for the shared woman that they loved. Right.

[B]

That's the cake.

[E]

It was in a cake.

[C]

In a cake.

[E]

Twisted it.

[C]

The box was a cake.

[B]

Why and why would you give somebody an engagement ring in a wedding cake?

[E]

Yeah, it's confusing.

[D]

The weird thing is the cart before the horse, it's not even a. It's not supposed to look like an actual cake. It's just this weird figurine this weird cake figurine.

[C]

And correct me if I'm wrong.

[B]

Well, I thought it was supposed to look like a cake.

[D]

Well, looks like a cake, but it's like a Precious Moments figurine or something. It doesn't.

[C]

No. Yeah, it looks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

It doesn't actually look like a cake.

[C]

Oh, it does, though.

[B]

Wait, what do you mean it doesn't look like it?

[E]

The style, the scale.

[D]

Thank you. If you saw it, you would not eat it, right?

[C]

Oh, no, no. It's in the shape of a cake. It's. That. It doesn't. It's not like, realistically a cake.

[D]

That's what I'm saying.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. But it's in the shape of a cake.

[B]

It's like a mini cake.

[D]

Right, But I don't understand. What world are we in in which you're handing someone that.

[B]

Right. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you're proposing.

[D]

If you're proposing and want to do a fun bit around, like, here's your dessert.

[E]

It would have to look like a real, like. Yes, yes, you would, actually. Otherwise she's like, what are you doing?

[C]

Are you presuming that the reason it looks like a cake is because it was delivered during the dessert course of a meal?

[D]

Why else would this engagement ring be?

[C]

I thought it was just like a fancy ring box.

[B]

No, no, no. The actual cake was delicious. Also, this was the actual cake that was delivered.

[E]

Oh, they went all out on that one.

[B]

Look like they didn't even go to the store to buy a cake from Gelson's. They just. Someone in the back just slapped some stuff together.

[E]

To be fair, that does look like the cake that that woman character would have made.

[D]

Yeah, absolutely. I thought it was a great choice, by the way.

[C]

It looks delicious.

[B]

It looks so melty, by the way. I will say, what an odd birthday. Ham in the afternoon.

[E]

Disgusting.

[B]

Just a giant ham after afternoon ham. Come over for some afternoon ham and cake.

[D]

Gross.

[C]

Can I ask a question, too? Wasn't the engagement ring inside red?

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Was it a giant ruby? Is that what we're to believe?

[E]

And was this the brown?

[C]

What's that?

[E]

Yeah, like an odd choice.

[B]

An unfrosted wedding cake.

[E]

Yeah. Like, it should have at least been white.

[B]

Yeah. Put some fondant on that.

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But I can help you.

[B]

Tron. Ares treated PG13 may be inappropriate for children under 13. Only in theaters October 10th. Get tickets now. But, I mean, there is so much going on. I think the con is, go work for my brother, and then we'll get all that money from him. Because at the end, they get that suitcase full of money and he gives it to everybody. Everyone seems to get a small stack, and then they keep the giant suitcase together. He's like, we split it, right?

[D]

But I guess my question is, right, why set him up to do that? Is there no other person? I just wasn't Quite understanding.

[C]

I think it felt like a long road. I suspect it was the presumption that James Coburn, the uncle, would probably welcome his nephew into his trust rather than if he tried to get Peter Fonda to go and get involved in James Coburn, the uncle's gang.

[D]

So do you think, though, that there's any world in which he could have done that without faking his own death?

[C]

Yeah, if he trust. If he trusted his son. But he basically used.

[D]

He basically. Why not bring him into it?

[C]

Yeah, he didn't trust him. He knows it.

[B]

Well, I think he did trust him, but he needed to make the son really mournful because who knows who's watching him?

[C]

We don't also, like, set him up.

[D]

So he didn't trust his acting.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

By the way, can we talk about the best performance of the film? That opening scene where they're doing the copy coke deal. Whoever's buying the cocaine is scooping it. Like that woman scoops dicks out of boxers. It is like I've never seen anyone taste cocaine.

[C]

Like, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

Like, he's throwing it in his mouth.

[C]

Like, I can see angels. I can see angels. Isn't it Michael Constantine?

[B]

Is it? Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Yeah, it's Michael Constantine, the father from My Big Fat Greek Wedding. He. I mean, as well as a million.

[B]

Other great things, he sucks in that cocaine here. It's like him.

[C]

Just as if it perhaps is real cocaine.

[B]

Just two. Two fingers in his mouth.

[C]

Also two things. Hey, Chris, I'm so sorry. We did not get lights. We have two flashlights. All right. Point one at each guy. We'll see what we can get.

[B]

He thought it was film noir. You don't need lights. It's supposed to be dark. We haven't even gotten to so much.

[C]

I can't believe what time it is.

[B]

I know. We maybe shouldn't have spent 20 minutes on the title.

[E]

The title? The case.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

And I'm sorry to spend one more minute on the cake, but I have to.

[C]

Can we find a picture of a cake?

[D]

Yeah, find a picture of the cake. And I may need to see the cake scene.

[B]

I don't know if I can get a tall order.

[D]

Okay, don't worry about it. But I want a consensus up here at least. So we all think that the cake was the presentation of an engagement ring.

[C]

Correct.

[E]

Wow, wow, wow, wow.

[D]

That's so crazy. So in that presentation, okay, he's just thinking like, oh, here's your. Here's your engagement ring box, which is in a cake.

[C]

I Think James Coburn might have done one of these and opened the cake?

[E]

No, he couldn't. It's a screw top.

[C]

It was.

[E]

Yeah, he screwed it. I noticed because I felt like the actor like, like screwed it too much when he was screwing it.

[D]

So was he trying to hide it in the office? So it was just. It wouldn't look like an engagement ring box. Because if I saw that, I would walk over.

[C]

Safe.

[D]

Oh, it was in a safe.

[E]

This is like when a director's directing a scene and the actor's like, I. I have to ask another question about the cake box that I'm so.

[C]

I'm just. Why do I have to know about the cake box? Like, what is it to me?

[B]

And if it's in the safe, why does it need to be Be in the cake box? Couldn't it just be in a.

[C]

And the thing seems to be that. That James Coburn, the uncle, had the cake box and the ring made for the woman that James Coburn the father, then stole. Is that right?

[B]

Right. Because at one point, James Coburn, the uncle, says, you could have been my son.

[C]

Which isn't how it works.

[B]

That's not how it works at all.

[C]

That's not how that works. And keep in mind, that woman, twin brothers.

[B]

And by the way, they had. They had James Coburn. But yet that picture is the most Photoshopped picture I've ever seen. It looks like one picture was taken in the 70s, and one picture was taken in the late 80s. And both of the people who were in that picture were not looking at the camera. They're, like, veering off to the side.

[E]

I thought he was pretty hot as the uncle.

[C]

Oh, Uncle Lou.

[E]

Yeah, the white hair.

[C]

Yep.

[D]

Yeah, the white hair looked great on him.

[E]

Yeah, it was better than the dark.

[C]

And it was like. Like California was treating Uncle Lou well.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And Uncle Lou had found love. They were going to Tahiti. He had it made.

[B]

Uncle Lou, though, spends a long period of time because I get what they're trying to do. Not reveal his face, not reveal he's a twin. Although that's a big hole that you. Your dad would never say. Oh, yeah, my brother and I are twins, but whatever. So they have to hide his face. So he's, like, looking out the window for an exorbitantly long period of time. There's nothing going. He's like, yes. So I'm glad you're here and think that that would be cool if we could talk about some stuff. And anyway, boom, boom, check it out.

[C]

And that's where, like, there would be, like, a music sting to tell you something that happened, but it's just empty. It is the vacuum of space.

[D]

Do you think there's any way he actually is his son?

[B]

Wow. A lot of agreement, June.

[C]

Okay, I'll go down this road.

[D]

Because at the very end.

[C]

So you think when she left with the father, she might have already been pregnant from Uncle Lou.

[D]

And potentially, because there's a moment at the end when the carousel is going round and you're. And he's sort of, like, trying to figure out his relationship to his dad, and it felt like the world was spinning.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And especially because he said, you could have been my son. Well, there's no way he could be his son unless he actually could have been his son.

[B]

Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. So he was right. If. If she stayed with me, you would have been.

[C]

And what's interesting is that the movie creates a more compelling connection between Michael Bean and Uncle Lou. Uncle Lou's like, come to Tahiti with us. Come live with us. Come be, like, be with us. Be a family or whatever.

[B]

On Uncle Lou's ticket that just says one way. I've never seen a ticket printed one way.

[C]

And then his father comes in, kills Uncle Lou, and is like, fuck you. And his dad's basically like a full on piece of.

[E]

And his hair is, like, just hastily darkened with shoe polish.

[B]

Again, it's, like, glistening.

[E]

It's glistening.

[B]

Got invited to the gangster party. It's like, I really don't have anything. And he was like, I'll put some shoe polish in my hair. That's gangster, right?

[C]

Vampire got dressed from the Tim Robinson sketch where he's got all those mafia pieces for that party.

[B]

What about Charles? Charlie Sheen as the pool hustler Fats?

[C]

That was. I was like, okay, here we go.

[B]

Yet another person that's revealed, like we said earlier, that every actor's name, his name is. They call him Fat, but his name is Morgan Grip.

[C]

Morgan Grip.

[E]

I was imagining him having to rehearse that line. You can call me Fat.

[B]

What?

[C]

Hang on.

[B]

Sausage.

[C]

Hang on. Sausage.

[D]

Sausage, sausage, sausage, Sausage, sausage, Sausage, sausage, Sausage.

[C]

Why are we saying Sausage?

[B]

Clark, do you know why they're saying Sausage?

[C]

Oh, his assistant is called Sausage.

[B]

Got it.

[C]

Has this been worth it? Aren't you glad you ground this to a full halt just so we could figure it out? Was this a satisfying part of the podcast?

[B]

I hate you. So Charlie Sheen's introduced Morgan Grip. I don't even really understand where he falls into the world Ultimately. But I really do think what I'd like to play is. Is his monologue about Mark Twain, which we talked about a little bit, but here we go. Oh, by the way, when they're playing this pool scene, none of these shots are impressive to me. And I don't think that they're the. Never do you see, like, a ball go in.

[C]

Oh, they're not playing. They're not playing pockets. They're playing, like, snooker or whatever. Okay, snooker. What's it called? What is it?

[B]

Billiard. Billiards or sausage.

[C]

Sausage. They're playing. They're playing sausage. No, they're just playing a different pool game that doesn't have pockets.

[B]

Okay, well, they're playing a pool. All right. Because he does reveal that table without them.

[D]

I didn't know there were pool games without pockets.

[E]

Seems like there's no payoff each time.

[C]

You have to hit, like, both balls or something. Like, you have to, like.

[D]

So lame.

[B]

You also need to explain that to the audience. Like, hey, the thing that you're so familiar with, it would be like, if you did a bowling scene, but it was like, no, no, no. But you never put the ball on the alley. Because I was like, what am I watching here?

[C]

No, no, it's. It's just like the bowling we know, but there's no pins. Yeah, you just roll a ball down a lane and a score is given. Because it's all ge.

[B]

I think this is the Mark Twain moment here.

[C]

This was Sam's game.

[B]

Samuel Langhorne Clemens.

[C]

You know, Mark Twain, the genius behind Huck Finn. Tom Sawyer, personal favorite of mine, a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court. He used to play whenever he had writer's block. Said it was good for the brain.

[B]

And end of monologue.

[C]

And we never. We never see him make a shot in the scene.

[B]

Nope.

[C]

Like, we never see him. And shot in the same. And the pool shot in the same camera shot, by the way.

[D]

But what would the shot mean if we don't know even what the game is?

[C]

I guess. I guess that's true, by the way.

[B]

I just think it's funny to refer to an author as the genius behind. Because it's like, you can say that, but, like, when you see it, something where you don't. With a genius, it's not certainly clear. It's like, oh, yeah, he's the genius behind that movie. But, you know, the author of the.

[C]

Book from the guy that brought you Tom Sawyer and the guy behind husband.

[B]

Duck Finn, behind Duck Finn leads you to believe that there are Other people that also, like, executed it as well.

[D]

That's the only scene with any music in the background.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Shocked me.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. And then Charlie Sheen works for a man who has a lobster claw for a hand.

[C]

What was this?

[B]

What was this? What was. What was this?

[C]

That guy. Here's the thing. That guy and Nicolas Cage are in the same movie.

[D]

That's true.

[C]

These guys are in. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead. Other movies. Somewhere where they're fucking linked up. It's called Eddie and the Claw.

[B]

And like, coming out 2020. Coming out 2020. They've both finally got the title.

[C]

This is like a Dr. Evil setup right here.

[B]

Another guy shot in a black room. There's a lot of black rooms in this movie. We don't understand. Do we understand why he has the claw hand?

[C]

The Nor does he ever really use.

[B]

It just to shake hands things in a weird way, it's. Yeah.

[E]

So he could use his other hand.

[B]

Yeah. But he's selfish and he doesn't want to learn how to use it.

[C]

But if you're gonna give someone a claw for a hand, and he never clip, like, chops anything with it.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

What's the point? This is Chekhov's claw. Like, let's do this.

[D]

I did think he was gonna pick up a diamond with it, but he didn't use it to pick up the diamonds.

[C]

And also for a man like this, who appears to be a diamond buyer seller, something like that, why does he need to have, like a vicious claw? I mean, we're in a world put a loop on the end so you can look at diamonds with your hand. I mean, it's your repetitive motion, but.

[D]

Right. You're saying if there's nothing there, if you don't have no hand, if you have.

[C]

Ironically, he never chops a hand off. But I guess.

[D]

So you're saying just put like a giant magnifying glass.

[C]

I mean, that's part.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Because there's this the most.

[B]

Because when he has to look through the loop, the. His partner or his henchmen has to hold the loop up to his eyes. And he's got to like.

[C]

Because. Because to do his work, his claw hand is obsolete.

[E]

It's a metaphor for the movie plot. Like, over complicated, unnecessary.

[B]

But we've all been in that thing where your doctor says, hey, you lost your hand, you want the claw hand. And you think, that would be so cool. And only when you get home, you're like, I should just gone for the normal hand. Yeah.

[C]

Guaranteed middle of this is one of the those scenarios where in the middle of the night, you're half asleep, you full on chop your own dick off because you just go to hold it with the wrong hand and it's like, chop, chop, chop. See you later.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. This scene leads into my favorite scene of the movie, which is the gangsters getting ready around a table as the camera spins and holy shit. You want to talk about some acting? Every actor, when that camera's on them, they are giving. They are like everything.

[D]

They're giving their lives.

[B]

This is it.

[D]

They're giving their whole lives.

[B]

That scene, I mean, that scene was masterful.

[D]

Why does that woman have two long nails?

[B]

They look like coke nails.

[D]

Oh, it's.

[C]

They're probably for head scratching, I guess.

[D]

I've never seen cocaine nails. I'd never seen Charlie together too. Isn't it just. You have one cocaine now. I'm.

[C]

I mean, maybe one is for like. Maybe it's like one is for cocaine and one is for some other snortable drug.

[B]

What if, you know, she gets her hand chopped off like her boyfriend, and she's like, I want to get a claw hand, but I also don't want to stop doing cocaine. So it's already ready.

[C]

I know what it is. I bet all the nails were that long, but her boyfriend chopped off a bunch of them accidentally.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

This is like this, this, this, this is. This. Wow. This was a. Wow. This was a wild ride, this movie. I. I enjoyed the. The abject nonsense of this trash.

[E]

What's crazy is the other. The central relationship has a theme of incest and it still had a lot more dignity.

[C]

And now we have to do it because that seems to be a theme in a lot of our movies.

[D]

Can I ask, Chelsea, what is the deadfall in the other movie?

[E]

No idea. The trees, much like this one. I was tuned out for much of it.

[B]

Let's go to the crowd. Let's see what you all have to say about this movie. All right, I'm gonna ask you all to do it in your best Nicolas Cage in deadfall voice. I won't take a no. You gotta present. And look, just, you know, Nicholas Cage just gives an A for effort. That's all we're looking for. A for effort. All right, so this person has the question. I don't know if it's gonna be good. All right, here we go.

[C]

Oh, boy.

[B]

This is my Spidey sense of doing this show live a bunch of times. Ma', am, your name and the best. Nick Cage. And then your question.

[D]

My name is Annabelle.

[E]

Bullshit. Bullshit.

[D]

Any hoodles? My question is for you, darling June. The murder scene in the vat of boiling oil is so vile, violent, and so disgusting. How did you, like, justify that in your, like, brains? I don't know. That was so gross and horrible. Like, wasn't that scary to everybody?

[E]

And he ripped the wig off first.

[D]

Like, why. Like, why did that happen? And, like, did he ingest the boiling oil? Things that happen. Like, it's so scary. These are all things that my spider senses never wrong.

[B]

Up to the balcony.

[C]

I. I don't know. I found that scene, too, to be erotic.

[D]

Oh, that's so concerning.

[C]

All right.

[B]

I am.

[D]

Be careful. Be careful up there.

[C]

Where? There.

[B]

Please be careful. Great. Front row here in the balcony. All right, sir, your name and the best Nick Cage voice and your question. Let's go. Come on down to me. All right.

[C]

Hi, my name is Casey. Depression's gonna be really bad, but, yeah, we are secret protectors now.

[B]

What's happening? I'm walking away. I'm walking away. I'm so confused.

[D]

Just be careful, Paul.

[C]

Forget about it, Paul.

[B]

I thought I was. I thought I was just out of breath from running up all those stairs, but then I was like, this is making sense.

[C]

Oh, you got to remember to be a little bit more. You got to give him an eyeball.

[B]

We have one final question from a woman.

[C]

You have to let this woman ask a question.

[B]

That's who I'm going to.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

That's who I'm going to. She was gonna be my final one. I knew there was one person to pull us out of this.

[C]

I want to say, man, you have been jumping up and down, yelling and screaming. I want you to really, right now, examine. Is this worth it?

[D]

It's worth it.

[E]

There's absolutely no way we're gonna do.

[B]

Something a little bit different tonight. Tonight, we're only gonna take one question from the audience. Ma', am, say your name in the best Nicolas Cage voice and ask your question.

[E]

My name's Jacqueline.

[D]

Okay, so my question is this.

[E]

I was so sad when he died 45 minutes into the movie. I thought that there were gonna be another Nicolas Cage twin coming into the movie. Like, was that something that you guys would totally, like, be down with? Like, he died out way early on.

[C]

I'm not gonna lie. You burned 700 calories jumping up and down to ask that question.

[D]

I mean, even when Paul was walking toward you, you didn't stop jumping.

[C]

So the question. The question is, would you be in a movie where there are twins. Did we think part of the reveal would be another set of twins? No. I feel comfortable saying no. I did not.

[E]

No, it wasn't even that. She actually asked if we would be down with that. Would we be down with another twin movie that was already made?

[C]

I feel comfortable saying no. I would not like it. I mean, but would you be down with it?

[D]

I would be down with it, sure.

[C]

Well, because of time, we weren't able to go to the audience for questions tonight.

[D]

That's a bummer.

[C]

Let's get right down to second opinions.

[B]

That's right. We have opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

[C]

Yo, I got a second opinion and I'm so glad that you're hearing that. I just finished this movie and that.

[B]

Was touching my spearmint so much.

[C]

I had to hop on Amazon.com just to let you people know that this movie's the bomb. I watch this movie every night with my family and friends and then I wait for them to leave and then I watch it again.

[B]

Top to bottom.

[C]

Crazy movies are fun. But I think that thought was lost on everyone. Yo, ignore the reviews. Movie critics are ruthless. Worst of them all, June, Paul and Mazoukas.

[B]

Just stop it.

[C]

You're so caught up looking for logic.

[B]

Characters and plot, man, all of it's toxic.

[C]

I'm hype and I'm lit cuz the.

[B]

Split is the shit.

[C]

I give this movie five stars if I could.

[B]

I give it six. Whoa. Amazing.

[C]

Give it up for Tony.

[B]

Holy shit. That was amazing. Here we go. LA may not be the place for questions, but it is the place for song. Here we go. Now it's time for second opinions.

[D]

That is his mom. Oedipus complex. Why is the O silent?

[E]

Why did they have slow sex? Second opinions. I don't know why you'd have them. The plot is a turducken.

[D]

Three coppolas F them.

[E]

When your dad falls in his locker. Find your uncle, run a con together. Mickey Dolens is a bad guy. You may ask why he is not.

[C]

A monkey on Dead Fall.

[E]

On Dead Fall.

[B]

Genevieve. There you go. Thank you, Genevieve. What did I tell you? Spidey sense. Genevieve, that was fantastic. Okay, 42 reviews for Deadfall on Amazon. In total, it's a very low number. It averages 3.6 out of five stars. There are 30%. 36% are five star reviews. I'll say this much, the five star reviews are in on it for the most part. In these so this one is written by Pro Izzle. And Pro izzle writes in December 17, 2016. Dude, this movie is so entertaining. Not for those easily insulted. Five stars. Insulted?

[E]

Like insulted by bad filmmaking.

[B]

Michelle Huss in February 2015 said to give the story the right number of stars for the cheesy feel to the movie, minus two stars. I do mean cheesy. For more twists in the storyline than balloon animals at the fair. Three stars. So now we're at one star. For the not obvious clues I saw after the fact, I felt like an idiot. Two stars. Now we're at three stars. The best part of the whole movie. Nicholas Cage. Five stars. Eight stars. That is it. Five out of five. And then.

[C]

Wow, that's like that new math.

[B]

Yeah, that's what Terence Howard invented, right? All right, so this one is. Okay. Okay. This was a good one from Dakota. Watched it until Cage dies. Up until that point, it was amazing. 5 stars.

[C]

I will say, once he's gone, it is a much worse movie.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

So it sounds like you would be down for a twin.

[C]

I mean, I guess I've seen him do it in Adaptation, so I guess I can see it being done. I guess I'd be down with it.

[B]

And finally we end on. And finally we end on. Gordon New, who writes the dark scenes are blacker than noir and the dialogue is riper than pulp Fiction. King's character is original. His calculated overacting is as fine as parody as I've ever seen. He put some thought into the role and did a far better job than most of his work requires. The obl, the obligatory intrigue is masterfully done. The dramatic cinematography is magnificent. The musical sore is straight out of history. The plot has more twists.

[C]

Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The musical score was straight out of history.

[B]

Out of history?

[C]

What does that mean?

[B]

Mean? Just that.

[C]

What is that? Straight out of history.

[B]

I thought this is a facetious review, but I don't think it is.

[C]

Musical score was straight out of history.

[B]

And the plot has more twists than my grandma's pretzels. Well acted, well produced, and well edited. Enjoyable on so many levels. Five stars. Wonderful movie.

[C]

Wait, was that from Paul Wetzel?

[B]

No, I was gonna say it was. I didn't know how to correlate it to Aunt Annie.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

This movie came out in 1993. The budget was. Anyone want to take a guess at that budget? $10 million.

[C]

Where?

[B]

$10 million. And the opening weekend gross was $9,183. The domestic gross was 18,369.

[E]

And how is there a sequel? How did they get a sequel? That's crazy.

[B]

I think that Nicholas Cage just said he wanted to do it. It ranked 252 out of all the movies that came out in 1993. To give you an idea of what was coming out in 1993. Jurassic Park, Mrs. Doubtfire, the Fugitive. This movie was beaten by Demolition Man, Super Mario Brothers, Body of evidence, surf ninjas, Mr. Nanny, and airborne. And there are only seven movies made in 1993 that made less money than deadfall. Zero percent on rotten tomatoes. And we thank our producer, Avril Halley for bringing this movie to our attention.

[C]

Holy cow.

[B]

And before we leave, I want to just. Avril made this. It's a mashup of all the VO in the movie. I won't play the whole thing.

[C]

My favorite line was, the coast was alive, but I had no time for the sights. The coast was alive.

[B]

This is just the VO all cut together. I'll just play a little bit of it and we'll put this up online. So here we go.

[C]

Secret I swore I'd uncover the coast was alive. But I had no time for the sights. I was looking for something to tip me off. A break in the routine. A place to start the hunt. It looked like I had to pay my dues by wilding Duncan loose. Flunky.

[B]

Fucking. Fucking.

[C]

Well, at least he was a lively fellow. Shape the con or it'll shape you. Pop would say wise words. My new friend Eddie never learned. He was the type of badass bluff man that was stuck on the high you get from the con. That's bad news. Eddie was kid stuff. Lou was the real deal. He was as clever as Pop. A true pro of the high con. I saw that right away.

[B]

And yet, just a little taste of just all the VO mashed.

[C]

I would love it if someone would just come cut together all of the Nicholas Cage lines. I would. I would watch that.

[B]

Like, I mean, it's here. It's. It is here, right? I think when I just Googled it, it just popped up. It just says, like, yeah, honoring the craziest performance.

[C]

Oh, great. Thank God.

[B]

I mean, we don't have time to.

[C]

Watch that this exists.

[B]

Watch it. Watch it at your leisure. It's seven minutes.

[C]

This audience is insane.

[B]

All right. Thank you, la. You have been a fantastic pal. All right. And that was us live from the Wiltern. A big thank you to Chelsea Peretti, who is just fantastic. We were so excited to have her back.

[A]

A big thank you to our producer, Avril Halley.

[B]

For cutting these clips and finding these movies. Nate Kiley for doing all of our research. Devin who is here in the Willtern with us, Cody Fisher, our other producer, everybody at Earwolf. Also Kyle Waldron for doing our amazing artwork that you see on our Instagram and Facebook page. And by the way, follow us all on the social media. We love that. We love to have you there, especially the How'd this get made social media? And let's continue this conversation about Deadfall.

[A]

Next week on our mini episode where.

[B]

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