Disclosure w/ Nick Kroll & Emily Altman (HDTGM Matinee)

Summary

How Did This Get Made? — "Disclosure" w/ Nick Kroll & Emily Altman (HDTGM Matinee)

Date: February 10, 2026
Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael (not present), Jason Mantzoukas
Guests: Nick Kroll, Emily Altman

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Episode Overview

This episode of "How Did This Get Made?" dives deep into the 1994 corporate thriller "Disclosure," starring Michael Douglas and Demi Moore. The crew, joined by Nick Kroll and Emily Altman, explores the film’s wild blend of 90s sexual politics, then-cutting-edge tech, and genuinely bonkers plot twists. Notably, Nick and Emily are on hand because they wrote a "Big Mouth" episode that is an all-singing, all-dancing musical version of "Disclosure," making their insights especially juicy for fans who want to get the inside scoop on both the infamous film and its animated musical parody.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why "Disclosure"? The Big Mouth Connection

• Nick Kroll explains his longstanding relationship with the HDTGM podcast and why he called in a favor to cover this particular film.
• The connection: Season 3 of Netflix’s "Big Mouth" features a “Disclosure: The Musical” episode, co-written by guest Emily Altman.
  • Nick Kroll [06:07]: “It felt like it would be a perfect thing to come in here, talk about the movie in general so that when people watch ‘Big Mouth’ and they watch that episode, they’ll have all the extra information and be able to understand what we were doing.”

2. The Weird Tech of 1994

• The panel riffs hilariously on the bizarre depiction of tech: VR as a literal virtual filing cabinet and a plot hinged on manufacturing CD-ROM drives.
  • Jason Mantzoukas [07:29]: “All right. So what I love about this movie, Virtual reality...we are reality CD rom, Mostly CD Roms.”
  • Paul Scheer [07:51]: “And the VR that they're creating is like a virtual reality filing cabinet.”
  • Nick Kroll [08:38]: “This is in that era of that Aerosmith video...where the guy puts on the virtual reality helmet and, like, he's now on a motorbike with Alicia Silverstone…”

Memorable Moment:

• Jason plays a cringe-worthy movie clip of Demi Moore’s character predicting technology will free us from gender, race, and personality—prompting group mockery.
  • Demi Moore Movie Clip [10:19]: “We offer through technology...freedom from the physical body, freedom from race and gender...We can relate to each other as pure consciousness.”
  • Paul Scheer [10:53]: “A place where all of those things she said—race and gender—matter the most...It's like a system for trolls.”

3. Star Power and Michael Crichton’s Magic

• Reflection on the film as an “adult drama” during an era when studios bet big on grown-up sexual/political thrillers.
  • Nick Kroll [11:43]: “And it’s Michael Crichton who has at this point, er. Has created er...Jurassic Park...”
  • Jason Mantzoukas [11:50]: "He sold the movie rights for a million dollars before the novel was even published."

4. Sexual Politics & The Michael Douglas ‘Sexy’ Era

• The group skewers the film's fantasy of Michael Douglas as an irresistible Lothario, universally desired even in the tech world.

  • Emily Altman [18:09]: "He gets more ass than a rental car."
  • Nick Kroll [18:54]: “When we were deciding to do this for the show, we were describing this movie as in Michael Douglas period of filmmaking when he was too sexy for his own good.”
  • Paul Scheer [19:30]: "They will literally blow up their whole lives just to get a taste of that D."

• The “reverse harassment” angle is dissected and mocked for its wild implausibility and dated gender paranoia.

  • Nick Kroll [48:02]: “Sexual harassment is about power — when did I ever have the power?”
  • Emily Altman [45:05]: “The spirit is identical...the defensiveness that he has, the persecution that he goes through...It feels so much like right now.”

5. Plot Logic: Tech, Scheming, and...Disneyland Tickets

• Guests tie themselves in knots trying to untangle the convoluted motivations and plot twists, particularly around the corporate intrigue.
  • Nick Kroll [32:31]: “They need these CD ROM drives for this virtual reality, which is the cornerstone of why this merger is happening. They are behind about a year on production. So they need a scapegoat...”
• Ridicule over how helping a Malaysian tech guy score Disneyland tickets is core to the final act’s big evidence reveal.
  • Paul Scheer [35:06], joking: "The guy he got the Disney tickets for is the guy who faxes him all the incriminating..."

6. Key Scenes and Their Bizarre Execution

A. The Infamous Sexual Harassment Scene

• The hosts dissect the scene’s wild contradictions: Is Douglas victim or dog? Is Moore a villain or woman scorned?
  • Jason Mantzoukas [48:27]: “It’s the most mixed message sexual harassment scene...because...no, no Meredith, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no...”
  • Nick Kroll [49:18]: “He rips her...He rips the underwear off.”
  • Emily Altman [50:09]: "You want to get—"
  • Paul Scheer [50:11]: "You're turning everybody on, Paul, say what you want..."

B. Office Glass Maze & 90s Corporate Vibes

• Riffing on the omnipresent glass walls and obsession with people being watched from everywhere in the office.
  • Paul Scheer [13:25]: “There are at least four plot points in this movie that hinge on someone being able to hear or see through glass.”

7. Costumes, Pacific Northwest Setting, and 90s-ness

• Everyone laughs over the giant, blousy 90s clothes, mullets, and failed opportunities for grunge cameos in a peak Seattle-set movie.
  • Emily Altman [25:25]: "So loose on his body. He talks about his body...your body's still so tight. And you can't tell by the way..."
  • Emily Altman [26:33]: “Style wise though...the Pacific Northwest, like how much and how 90s that also is...”

8. Corporate Villainy: Everyone's Evil!

• The team agrees that “Disclosure” makes basically every character, including Douglas and Moore, kind of terrible with no real moral.
  • Paul Scheer [60:06]: “I think she is a company...that itself is participating in, misrepresenting itself...for their merger price. I think they’re all bad. I think Sutherland is bad. I think Dylan Baker’s bad.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “All it is is you put VR glasses on, you're in a hallway, and you can open filing cabinets.”
  — Paul Scheer [07:51]

• “She sticks her middle finger into my urethra right into—”
  — Nick Kroll [22:06], mocking the script's bonkers specificity

• “In 10 years, you’re gonna need a forklift to get a hard on.”
  — Dennis Miller via the cast [23:09]

• “The only favor I want is to find out who does Vin Diesel’s milk voice. He always sounds like he’s drank a big glass.”
  — Nick Kroll [05:18], running joke about Vin Diesel

• “This is prime mullet New Year. This is prime 90s mullet.”
  — Nick Kroll [25:00]

• “Sexual harassment is about power—when did I ever have the power?”
  — Nick Kroll quoting film [48:02]

• “The only thing you have proven is that a woman in power can be every bit as abusive as a man.”
  — Paul Scheer reading film thesis [56:47]

• “She puts on virtual office... Imagine walking into your bedroom and June is just reaching out.”
  — Paul Scheer [53:25], imagining June Diane's working habits

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Key Segment Timestamps

• [06:07] — Nick Kroll explains the "Big Mouth" musical connection
• [10:19] — Movie clip: Demi Moore on freedom through technology
• [13:03] — “CSI Glass” corporate offices & their dramatic function
• [18:09] — Emily on Michael Douglas’s notorious ‘playboy’ energy
• [22:06] — Mocking scene: the penile assault description
• [23:09] — Dennis Miller’s “forklift” hard-on advice
• [33:00+ ] — Peeling back the plot: who’s sabotaging who and why?
• [35:06] — Disneyland tickets as a major motivator
• [48:27] — Dissecting the sexual harassment scene
• [56:47] — Film's thesis on women, power, and abuse
• [60:06] — Admitting that “everyone is bad” in this company

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Second Opinions & Reception ([66:06] onward)

• The hosts read wild (often problematic) five-star Amazon reviews, reflecting that a significant portion of the audience really buys the movie’s “women can be sexual predators too” premise.
  • Maria [67:05]: “Women can be just as aggressive and focused on seeking sex with men...I think this movie shows a very realistic, true to life story...”
  • Paula Pumpkin [68:44]: “Did not care for the sex part, but overall the movie’s very good and held your interest till the end.”

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Big Mouth "Disclosure: The Musical" Details

• The musical episode is in Season 3 of "Big Mouth," featuring original songs such as “You’ve Got the Power Now,” “Aggressive Woman Likes to Be on Top,” and an “interpretive blowjob ballet.”
  • Nick Kroll [74:25]: “How many songs did you guys do?”
  • Emily Altman [74:32]: “The interpretive blowjob ballet.”
• Drop date for season: October 4th
• Nick hints at potentially making the musical available for schools/theatre someday.

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Closing Thoughts

• The hosts marvel at how “Disclosure” is somehow both trashy and meticulously constructed—the confusion comes in values, not storytelling craft.
• The group notes that, much like the tech in the movie, its sexual politics are wildly outdated, but make the film a fascinating (if problematic) time capsule.
  • Emily Altman [44:58]: “I feel like nobody talks about it anymore these days. You’re not really sort of hearing about it.”
• They joke about how current alt-right types would probably champion the movie’s ‘reverse victimization’ message.

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Should You Watch It? (Final Recommendation)

• Nick Kroll [72:21]: “I can't recommend this movie enough...but also specifically when you watch Big Mouth, the Disclosure episode, it will be that much more gratifying.”
• The hosts agree that the film, while extremely problematic, is also compelling, slickly made, and very of-its-time—well worth watching for fans of weird, swinging-for-the-fences 90s cinema and/or fans of their brand of comedic takedown.

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Useful To Know

• Big Mouth - “Disclosure: The Musical” premieres soon after this episode drops — watching "Disclosure" beforehand will enhance the experience.
• Nick Kroll's tour ("Middle-Aged Boy Tour") is plugged at [77:45].
• June Diane Raphael’s book, Represent: The Woman’s Guide to Running for Office is given a shoutout at [78:34].

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In summary:
This episode is a hilarious, incisive, and sometimes jaw-droppingly honest examination of a film that’s equal parts marketing fever dream, legal melodrama, and 90s cultural time capsule. The hosts and guests pull apart its tech, its sexual politics, its baffling plot, its Amazon reviews, and even its unfortunate relevance to modern gendered power debates. As both podcast and movie, it’s an essential listen/watch for lovers of the ‘so bad it’s good’ tradition—and for anyone eagerly awaiting the Big Mouth musical parody it inspired.

Transcript

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In 1994, Hollywood decided to tackle the most taboo topic imaginable, sexual harassment of straight white dudes. We saw disclosure, so you know what that means. Now it's time for how to discover. We're gonna have a good time celebrating.

[Nick Kroll]

Failure, not just being a hater.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Catching that, you wonder, how did this reveal?

[Paul Scheer]

Let's wallow in the mediocrity of subpar art.

[Nick Kroll]

Perhaps we'll find the answer to the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Question, how did this get made? Hello people of Earth, it's it is me, Tull, John Shear and I am here in studio to talk about a very important movie today. The film is disclosure from 1994 starring two of the biggest stars of the time, Michael Douglas, Demi Moore. And it's a story, like I mentioned, of sexual harassment in the workplace. But in this film, Michael Douglas is.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, and it also has VR. Here to break it all down, my co host, Jason Manzoukas. How are you, Jason?

[Paul Scheer]

Listen, Paul, I mean these straight white men are being victimized all over this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I like it because he's relatable right out of the gate. He's going from being super rich to almost a millionaire.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, and he's a guy that doesn't think a blowjob is sex.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, there's so much to talk about. And we actually have a really fun way to tie this episode into a larger thing. We have two guests today. Our first guest, you know her as a writer for Big Mouth. She's also a writer for the President show. Unbreakable. Kimmy Schmidt Inside. Amy Schumer, a first timer here. Please welcome Emily Altman.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hi, Emily.

[Paul Scheer]

Welcome, Emily, to youo Nightmare.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, God. This movie. We have a reason why you are here and we have a reason why our other guests here. We'll get into it both, but I wanted to introduce you and welcome you to the show. But have you ever seen Disclosure before you started to get involved in it?

[Emily Altman]

I hadn't seen remains in my mind. I think I was like in 8th or 9th grade when it came out. And I remember guys talking about the sex scene.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, funny.

[Emily Altman]

I do very much remember, like, how hot Demi Moore was at the time. It was mostly about the sex scene.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, that sex scene is a real moment in this film.

[Paul Scheer]

It's also an era where everything took place in something semi under construction. Yes.

[Emily Altman]

A lot of industri.

[Paul Scheer]

Everything is like, like, like clear tarps are hung everywhere.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You've already heard him a little bit on Mike. He is an how did this get Made All Star? One of our favorite guests. You know him from, of course, Big Mouth and the League and the Kroll Show. Please welcome Nick Kroll.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

Hey, guys. Nick.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So excited to have you on this show. And why you're here for this episode is kind of.

[Paul Scheer]

You asked us, you asked us if you could come on and talk about this movie in particular. Why did you do this to us? This is 2 hours and 10 minutes of a movie that you made us watch.

[Nick Kroll]

Well, okay. This was the favor I was calling in. I believe I was the first guest on the first episode of how did this get Made?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, you were.

[Nick Kroll]

Charles Burlesque. Shout out to Cher. Shout out to Christina. Christina Aguilera. Yep, I was. I've also flown to Austin to be on the show.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

Just to hang out with you guys in Austin.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Look, it's been. You are. You are a How did this get made All Star. You are part of the how did this get Made Family.

[Nick Kroll]

Thank you. And because that sometimes family asks for some favors.

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[Paul Scheer]

Just like in the Fast and Furious movies. It's all about family.

[Nick Kroll]

It's all about family. The only favor I want is to find out who does Vin Diesel's milk voice. He always sounds like he's drank a big glass.

[Paul Scheer]

It's all buttermilk. I asked. He's got a buttermilk budget that is in the millions.

[Nick Kroll]

You know why? Because those takes are so hot that he's got to drink buttermilk to come. Oh, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I'm so sorry, Vin. Everything curdled.

[Nick Kroll]

I'll drink it anyway.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's all about family.

[Nick Kroll]

So I asked for you guys to do the movie Disclosure because on season three of Big Mouth, we have an episod where the kids put on a musical, and the musical that they are putting on is a musical based on the movie Disclosure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love this.

[Nick Kroll]

So it's a. Emily Altman co wrote the episode with Victor Kinosh, and it's one of my favorite episodes that we've ever done of the show. And it felt like it would be a perfect thing to come in here, talk about the movie in general so that when people watch Big Mouth and they watch that episode, they'll have all of the extra information and be able to understand what we were doing and why we chose to fucking make a musical out of the movie Disclosure.

[Paul Scheer]

Between this episode of Big Mouth and this episode of how did this get made? There's going to be so much rewatching of Disclosure that it might get enough heat to get a sequel or a reboot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Guys.

[Paul Scheer]

We need a reboot of Disclosure.

[Nick Kroll]

Disclosure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I will say. I will say that we are on a show where so many people come up to us and say, you gotta do this movie in the podcast. You gotta do this movie. And when you said it, I was like, oh, yeah, that sounds great. Cause it seems so locked in amber. It's like, of the time. And it's a perfect choice for this show.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, yes, I'm surprised that we would do this movie. Even if you hadn't requested it. This is a movie we would do.

[Nick Kroll]

It's a real clean. It's a real clean hat of this kid made. Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I mean, this is.

[Paul Scheer]

All right. So what I love about this movie, Virtual reality. We are reality CD rom, Mostly CD Roms.

[Emily Altman]

Most of the movie is CD rom, oddly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let's get into the technology here, because the technology is he's in charge of, like, releasing CD rom. Like, you know, manufacturing. Manufacturing CD ROM players, but also on the VR team.

[Paul Scheer]

And the VR that they're creating is like a virtual reality filing cabinet.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Like the corridor, the thing they've created that makes their company worth billions. Like, Donald Sutherland is going to be worth $100 million or something. So, yeah, all it is is you put VR glasses on, you're in a hallway, and you can open filing cabinets.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And see what's inside, see what's in your filing cabinets. And when they actually go in, when you have that, like, that big money shot at the end when you're in there, and it's like, ilm. It's so. It's so boring. And they're all going up there, like, let's experiencing it. They talk about it like, check out the VR world. There's nothing interesting, nothing fun. It's not even like a filing cabinet on the beach. It's in, like, an old bank building.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah. Like, this is in that era of that Aerosmith video. Remember the VR video with Alicia Silverstone? Alicia Silverstone. A quick Alicia Silverstone anecdote. I feel like this might be the place to tell it.

[Paul Scheer]

Go ahead.

[Nick Kroll]

I saw her at a party, and she was like, I haven't seen you since I was at your house. And I was like, alicia, we. I've. I was like, you've never been to my house. And she was like, yes, I have. I was at your house. I was like, no, I know where I've met you. And it was not at. And she was. It goes on like this for a little while, and then she's like, oh, my God, you're not who I thought you were. You're someone else. I know you're Nick Kroll. And I was like, I am. And then. And she's like, no, I shouldn't. I don't even. I was like, alicia, now you have to tell me who you think I was. She goes, I thought you were Chris Kattan.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh.

[Nick Kroll]

Sorry.

[Paul Scheer]

It's the best.

[Nick Kroll]

Sorry. Slight diversion, however, very worthwhile. But it was that Aerosmith video where the guy puts on the virtual reality helmet and, like, he's now on a motorbike with Alicia Silverstone, where it's like, yeah, that's virtual reality.

[Paul Scheer]

Right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right. Well, the idea is that virtual reality is an escape from reality, and you get to interact in a really crazy space. This.

[Emily Altman]

Do things you'd never do in real life.

[Paul Scheer]

You couldn't even imagine.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The avata was your own face. You didn't even get to escape your own body. You got to be it. And I thought this. I pulled this one clip from how Demi Moore speaks about what the Internet and virtual reality would be. And I just thought it was so funny because it's so wrong.

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What we're selling is freedom we offer through technology. What religion and revolution have promised but never delivered. Freedom from the physical body, freedom from race and gender, from nationality and personality, from place and time. Communicating by cellular phone and handheld computer PDA and built in fax modem. We can relate to each other as pure consciousness.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The exact not thing that has happened, I would say it's made us a more segmented angry community.

[Paul Scheer]

A place where all of those things she said race and gender matter the most. And a way like protect our anonymity while we attack those. It's like a system for trolls.

[Nick Kroll]

I mean, but it's also funny that just quickly a shout out to that the enneagmoricon music playing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way he does the music.

[Paul Scheer]

This is a Barry Levinson movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is like a.

[Paul Scheer]

This is like. Like, you know, a lot of times on the show we're covering movies that are B movies or C or D movies even, you know, like really low budget, whatever. And then we've got, you know, your big Fast and Furious movies. But this MOV at the time is a massive. These are the biggest stars of the time. This is one of the biggest directors of the time. This was like when adult movies like this were king.

[Nick Kroll]

And it's Michael Crichton who has at this point, er. Has created er.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. Jurassic Park. Created Jurassic Park.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He sold the movie rights for a million dollars before the novel was even published.

[Nick Kroll]

Right. It was like day after the Anita Hill hearing started, he's like, I got an idea.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then a couple.

[Paul Scheer]

His whole pitch was just a Coke can.

[Nick Kroll]

And he starts, by the way, there's a weird close up on a Coke can in the. There's a vending. And I was like, oh, this is like they're not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, Milos Foreman was the original director but left due to creative differences with Michael Crichton. And Barry Levinson came in.

[Nick Kroll]

Really? Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And took over.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

I wonder which way Miguelo Foreman wanted to push it. Like, what did Crichton react to it?

[Nick Kroll]

Crichton's like, it's a virtual file cabinet. Or I walk.

[Paul Scheer]

Miller Schwarman's like, maybe it could be something more interesting, more exciting to look at when you're in the virtual world. No, I want to open drawers that say finances.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, but again, this movie had a budget of 55 million. It made a gross of $83 million. A huge hit, you know, big movie.

[Nick Kroll]

That is crazy that this movie cost $55 million. And is it all for glass? It's all for glass walls and glass offices.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love. I love tech companies in Films like this, tech companies look so sexy. It's like the csi. I mean, it's like CSI on tv. It's like everything is glass. They have these big conferences and people could see people yelling through the glass. Like his wife. Michael Douglas and his wife get into a fight in a glass room outside the mediation room. Everyone could see that.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, everyone can see. There are at least four plot points in this movie that hinge on someone being able to hear or see through glass.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like.

[Paul Scheer]

Like Michael Douglas basically is able to discern the whole, like, third act, like, fourth act, really, plot twist by simply walking by Demi Moore's office and eavesdropping on her while she's on a treadmill.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, it wasn't even her office. I think that was just a gym that also happened to be in the tech company.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I put that stuff in her off.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Emily Altman]

She comes back an office. The gym looks like.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, everything does. Everything's an office. That's very true.

[Nick Kroll]

Sorry, before we go far, is that.

[Paul Scheer]

One of the songs in this show?

[Nick Kroll]

Big Everything's in office? No, but it should have been that. Just a quick question before we move further. Is it Demi Moore or Demi Moore?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I've heard it is Demi.

[Emily Altman]

I think she. I think it was originally Demi. Like, I feel like in the 80s it was demi and then she shifted to Demi. That's just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's.

[Nick Kroll]

It's more demure.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm wondering if, like, Demi. Like Demi Lovato.

[Nick Kroll]

Demi Lovato is right.

[Emily Altman]

Demi Lovato.

[Paul Scheer]

I believe her name is short for the Greek name Demetra. And I wonder if Demi Moore is the same. In which. I think it would be Demi, not Demi.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah, I mean, as always, Demi Moore is basing everything off of Greek mythology.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I'm wondering if her name is also Demetra.

[Nick Kroll]

Oh, I wonder, are you now trying to figure out if Demi Moore is maybe Greek?

[Paul Scheer]

He's half Greek. I'm just now. But no, my dad would have told me because he's got a. He can readily call up any celebrity who's Greek and be like. Like, well, you know, Tina Fey is Greek. You should talk to Tina Fey.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Kind of touched on it. It revolves around Michael Douglas getting a new boss who happens to be his old ex girlfriend who they had a very sexual relationship.

[Paul Scheer]

My favorite thing in this movie is that he is the head of like production. And it is a movie in which I feel like Michael Douglas is like, no, no, no, let me be very clear. I'm a guy. I'm manufact. I'm the head of manufacturing and production of this like this hardware unit for a computer thing. But I need everybody to recognize that I'm one of the biggest playboys that has ever existed in tech. Like everybody's like, oh, this guy used to get all the Pussy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, they literally. His wife is like, you fucking so many women. It's like, wow.

[Paul Scheer]

The story is always about how prolific he was.

[Emily Altman]

He gets more ass than a rental car.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Emily Altman]

Dennis Miller says, oh, by the way, Dennis Miller is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, Dennis Miller. First of all, Michael Crichton wrote the character for Dennis Miller, which just shows you where we're living.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There's so many great Dennis Miller Miller isms. Miller isms throughout the whole thing. And get. And am I buying? It's like Michael Douglas and Dennis Miller are tech guys. And then this guy who's like Kato.

[Nick Kroll]

Kaelin, who, you know, he's like Kato Kate. So along those lines, I think we. The reason. One of the. When we were deciding to do this for the show, we were describing this movie as in Michael Douglas period of filmmaking when he was too sexy for his own good.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

Where it's the third and the triptych of Basic Instinct, Fatal Attraction. And then Disclosure was kind of like the. The one that slightly. Slightly missed the mark, Right?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Slightly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But it's like it still is a movie that's kind of burned into your mind as like a big film and a hit.

[Paul Scheer]

And it worked. It was not a failure at all.

[Nick Kroll]

And Michael Douglas was in all of these movies. These women are going crazy because they want to fuck him so bad that.

[Paul Scheer]

They'Ll blow up their whole lives for it.

[Nick Kroll]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

They will literally blow up their whole lives just to get a taste of that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

D. And by the. By the way, I will say the one thing that really bothered me. Maybe I'm jumping ahead, but like, obviously he's sexually harassed, but never at one point does he apologize to his wife, seem to have any guilt, have anything about him where he's like. Cause that's. I mean, we'll get into that scene. But he is bulletproof. He seems to be unfazed by anything but losing a million dollars.

[Emily Altman]

He's being less rich.

[Paul Scheer]

And they.

[Emily Altman]

In the screenplay at the beginning, where she clarifies his wife as like. But we're already rich. We just want to be clear before the movie unfolds, we are very rich.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You see where they live? They live in a beautiful house. Like a giant house on a lake. Gorgeous.

[Paul Scheer]

They drive a Jeep Grand Wagoneer, which is like one of my all time favorite.

[Nick Kroll]

You wanted that car.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I bet you watch that car.

[Emily Altman]

I love that car.

[Paul Scheer]

I love that car. But my. My thing was there's the scene where just to jump back to Dennis Miller. They go to dinner with Dennis Miller and his wife and Michael Douglas and his wife.

[Emily Altman]

Wife.

[Paul Scheer]

And this is kind of near the beginning of the second act or whatever, when Michael Douglas is starting to kind of go down the road of maybe he can claim sexual harassment and that will help him kind of get out from under where he is. But he doesn't want. He hasn't told his wife he's not. Blah, blah, blah. And so Dennis Miller is given the information and outs him at dinner. And then it's a big dust up. And then they go, why don't we sit and have a nice dinner? And then they do. They just sit and have a nice dinner after Dennis Miller has just revealed that Michael Douglas cheated on his wife with his ex girlfriend.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

To his wife.

[Paul Scheer]

The wife digests so much information and effortlessly is like, oh, no, he told me everything. Everything's fine.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Lying for him.

[Paul Scheer]

Lying for him. And then they cut to the outside afterwards and she's like, please just tell me, did you sleep with her? Like, she seems. Seems like destroyed, you know, in a way that you're like. And he, like, continues to lie. Like, he is the protagonist of this movie and is just a piece of shit. I mean, he.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, his wife goes through so much. The fact that she's, like, sitting behind him in that mediation too.

[Movie Clip Voice]

I know.

[Nick Kroll]

Why is she sitting in the media?

[Paul Scheer]

Because he was gonna go without a lawyer or. No, no, no, no, it wasn't. It. He had the. He had the woman that he'd hired. But why was she gonna.

[Emily Altman]

Standing by?

[Paul Scheer]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe she thought the opposite.

[Nick Kroll]

But then it's like he lies to her. He. In that first scene where she. In the scene where he's like. She went. She put her hand on my penis. And then.

[Paul Scheer]

And then they get right into the hole.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah. She st. She stuffs her middle deep.

[Emily Altman]

Into the hole she reached.

[Nick Kroll]

She sticks her middle finger into my urethra right into.

[Paul Scheer]

All the way into my bladder hurt.

[Nick Kroll]

Paul, are you feeling that? Are you feeling that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Ooh.

[Paul Scheer]

She milked my bladder from inside my pee hole.

[Nick Kroll]

She took her nail and dug right into my urethra.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean.

[Paul Scheer]

And there was an Eminem in there.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

And Dennis Miller, by the way, just to hit one more thing with him too, is like supposedly like the voice of. Not the voice of reason, but the guy who's like. I'm saying it as it is.

[Emily Altman]

I think he's like, the. Every dude.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Emily Altman]

You don't have a boner.

[Nick Kroll]

He's like, you know, she doesn't give you a boner.

[Emily Altman]

You don't achieve. Lift On.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a.

[Nick Kroll]

You gotta use a Mack truck, you know, Series five to understand how to lift that thing out.

[Paul Scheer]

Chat, chat.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is. This is where he gets in trouble here. Well, this comes back to haunt Michael Douglas's interaction and.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

You have a sexual urge every 20 minutes. It's a physiological certainty, you know, it's.

[Paul Scheer]

Hardwired into your limbic brain. You can't fight it.

[Nick Kroll]

Why would you want to fight it?

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, 10 years from now, you're going to need a forklift to get a hard on.

[Movie Clip Voice]

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[Paul Scheer]

I'm going to call you tonight. 10 years from now.

[Nick Kroll]

So it's now when you're 40, you're going to.

[Paul Scheer]

And also, how does a forklift help? Yeah, you know, like, exactly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Lift up a ball.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, what does it do? Like a forklift doesn't get it.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah, but it's so funny. This is also Michael Crichton. It's like that. It's like when Sorkin wrote Studio 60. It's like writers who want to write stand up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Emily Altman]

Comedy.

[Nick Kroll]

And they're like, I'm gonna write Dennis Miller material.

[Paul Scheer]

Quips, I'm gonna write what it must be like to be around one of these guys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I will say, though, to Crichton's credit, it ages.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

It does, yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

Really.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It still has that kind of bite.

[Nick Kroll]

Now, but it is like, I have to say, inside of it, like, Dennis Miller is like, it's fun. I missed. I. I do like hearing Miller's voice in there. Like, he's fun in that role of like, come on, you know, he's got a real.

[Paul Scheer]

Unlike Kato Kalin in the movie. He has like a point of view. He's got like something. An engine driving him that's. That's fun to watch enough the way that I also find Donald Sutherland just captivating to watch.

[Emily Altman]

Donald Sutherland, his massive teeth.

[Paul Scheer]

They are. I think they're getting bigger.

[Emily Altman]

They are.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Donald Sutherland says something in the beginning and I loved his choice, which was he talks about the death of his daughter, but he glosses over it so quick. He's like, when my daughter died, I was like, not even like, he's like speaking to so many people. Like, there's no, like, emotion, no reference.

[Nick Kroll]

To it after that. But I will say couple things. One, Donald Sutherland is doing almost a, like, New York accent. Like, he pops in and out of like. I think Donald Sutherland's like, I'd like to do a fun sort of. He's a tough New York guy and they Were like, okay. And then he's like, forget it. After like 30 scenes, he's like, I'm not doing that.

[Emily Altman]

Abort.

[Nick Kroll]

The other thing is with Dennis Miller and Michael Douglas is. It is the. This is prime mullet New year. This is prime 90s mullet.

[Paul Scheer]

The hair is not crazy mullet. Not like full hair. Full hair, but like long in the back, but like quaffed up top.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I will say this is the time where I realized also 90s clothes are disgusting.

[Emily Altman]

So loose on his body. He talks about his body. At one point she's like, you're so. You're still so hard. Your body's still so tight. And you can't tell by the way.

[Paul Scheer]

The way you fill out all those pleats in those. Yeah, I know, I know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I really do feel like, you know, we. It's been in the news recently. Like the Fast and Furious guys had like this thing about who can take a punch. I feel like here, Michael Douglas, like, you gotta make her talk a little bit more about my. My rock hard body. Yeah. Like, I do feel like it's overkill. It's like, it's like, what are you convinced? Like, who are you convincing?

[Paul Scheer]

Like everybody else? And, and everybody. All of the women in the movie are wearing like just like clothes on top of clothes on top of other clothes. It looks like they are just draped in fabric. Fabric. Fabric. Yeah. It is so blousy and, and. And flowy everything. It's hilarious to see everybody in the workplace is just like a whole barrage of nonsense clothes every time. There's a.

[Nick Kroll]

He's also. Michael Douglas is. He's a backpack guy, which I love that his character. Yeah, he's on a backpack. He's got a back. He's taken the ferry. He's taking a couple.

[Emily Altman]

I feel like style wise though, like another thing that we can address at some point is the Pacific Northwest, like how much and how 90s that also is.

[Nick Kroll]

It's in that very grunge Seattle period, but also grunge.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I was surprised. Surprised there wasn't more of a wink too. That there was like that's how much this movie exists in a time when adult movies mattered. Is it makes no effort to like reach out to younger people by acknowledging that at this time in Seattle is like the most vibrant music scene in America.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There. I mean, they don't even. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, not exactly.

[Nick Kroll]

You're right.

[Paul Scheer]

I feel like now they would try and use like they go to see some band.

[Nick Kroll]

Cato Kalin would be like, like wearing A nerve.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Come see my band tonight.

[Nick Kroll]

I can't even give a shit.

[Paul Scheer]

Maybe they were trying to make him look like Kurt Cobain.

[Nick Kroll]

Oh, my. Yeah, that's probably true.

[Paul Scheer]

Like that long blondie hair.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think what I was really taking in was how warped I was by movies like this as a child. Because this is what you would see, like Basic Instinct and stuff like this. Like, this is the. These are the films of my youth that were like, cool kids watched adult.

[Paul Scheer]

Films because they were always playing on cake cable. Like, movies like this were always playing on the HBOs and the, you know, whatever.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Richard Gear and Kim Basinger. Yeah, it's like.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's like this intense thing. Even like Alec Baldwin made that movie, like the Getaway with Kim Basing and they like. Like, he showed his dick and she was totally naked. It was like on the unrated.

[Nick Kroll]

Really.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Getaway.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I remember getting it at Blockbuster, being so excited.

[Paul Scheer]

The Ally McGraw, by the way, just a sidetrack. The Ally McGraw, Steve McQueen version of the Getaway is one of the greatest movies.

[Nick Kroll]

Really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

Is it called the Getaway?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, the movie, you know, it takes place in a week, so we're Monday through Friday.

[Emily Altman]

That shining. They use the like shining Monday, which starts and lives up to the promise.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It really. So much happens in five days and they make such a big deal of like, this is going to wreck your life and you're going to spend so much money. No, just if you can spend five days dealing with a sexual harassment case.

[Paul Scheer]

And honestly, at the end of it, this is a legal case case that would take months, if not years to work.

[Nick Kroll]

Arbitration. Arbitration. Arbitration.

[Paul Scheer]

But I love that the. At the end of the. The movie, it should have just been like, somebody says to Michael Douglas, how you doing? And he's like, eh, tough week. Yeah. You know, it's like that's how insy. It's only been one week of his life.

[Nick Kroll]

I. Is this a fair time to just bring up what the plot of this movie is? Of course.

[Paul Scheer]

Go ahead.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah, I. So this is. This is. The whole thing is like. I don't know how I would explain. Like, if you talk about the movie, you're like, oh, it's the movie where Demi Moore sexually harassed Michael Douglas and then accuses him of sexual harassment. Right, right. But the actual plot of the movie is that Donald Sutherland is trying to sell or merge his company to make $100 million in 1994. Is a lot of money.

[Paul Scheer]

Which. Yeah. Which is a lot of money. But still. Yes, it is crazy.

[Nick Kroll]

But, like, now $100 million for a tech company is like, what? Like, oh, yeah, maybe he was. Loofer would make like, a company that just sells, like, loofahs, Delivers you loofahs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, that's a great. I get out. I get my box every month. Brand new loofahs.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Nick Kroll]

This is Idris Elba for I'm Loofer for Loofer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I scrubbed the streets of London clean, and now I want to scrub your body clean.

[Paul Scheer]

Dead skin all over your body.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah, I've found dead bodies all over London.

[Paul Scheer]

I hate these gems.

[Nick Kroll]

Oh, boy. So anyway, that loofer would have $100 million merger.

[Paul Scheer]

Right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But maybe he's excited because he has $100 million for a company that's just a virtual filing cap. We've pulled the biggest wool over everyone's life.

[Paul Scheer]

Can I ask a question? Is the sexual harassment, the initial sexual harassment.

[Nick Kroll]

This is my question.

[Paul Scheer]

A setup itself.

[Nick Kroll]

That's what I.

[Paul Scheer]

When Demi Moore calls him up to the office for wine to discuss, is that a trap or is. No. You don't think so?

[Emily Altman]

Because I think we're supposed to believe that he is that sexually attractive.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Emily Altman]

I don't think she's putting. I think it's. She is so they were. By how hot he is. She has to do.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But don't you think. I thought I read it slightly differently. I think that she was like going, hey, we used to. He'll want to do it again. Let's just go. And we'll have a.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, it will be.

[Nick Kroll]

We'll have our normal affair. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

While I got his promotion. Yeah, I got your promotion. But we can still hook up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I mean. But that's what I like. And so I think what is even weirder about this too is like, so she's spurned because he doesn't want to have sex with her. And then she's like, I'm going to take you down. And oddly, the whole company.

[Nick Kroll]

But that's the thing is, like, she's. He spurns her. Right? She's like, I'm going to take you down. But he was. They were always trying to take him down. He was always supposed to be the scapegoat for why technology wasn't working.

[Paul Scheer]

Was the sexual harassment not the first attempt to get him out? It was just a complication to their long game of trying to get him out. Is that right?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Paul Scheer]

I don't know.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, again, I don't know. Maybe it's different, but I thought they were using that to be like, we'll get him out this way because he was already pushed down to the lower tier.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

What I believe, after spending, like, literally hours trying to understand this and talking about it with my girlfriend was like, can you explain to me what this is about? Yeah, here's what I believe. They were trying to.

[Paul Scheer]

Your dates must be so fun. Is that you just like, furiously diamond on the table?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Nick Kroll]

Okay, look.

[Paul Scheer]

And then she says, right.

[Nick Kroll]

So Demi. And it's. It's Demi.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Emily Altman]

She.

[Nick Kroll]

Well, she's Greek, we think so is. I believe what happens is that they are trying to get this merger done. But the. The. The technology and the manufacturing on these new CD ROMs, which are a big part of this whole virtual reality deal. Deal or whatever.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They need these CD hard CD ROM drives. Not even the.

[Nick Kroll]

They need these CD ROM drives for this virtual reality, which is the cornerstone of why this merger is happening. They are behind about a year on production.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right.

[Nick Kroll]

So they need a scapegoat if this comes out. They need a scapegoat to bury.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Got it.

[Nick Kroll]

The problem on. And they're choosing Michael Douglas as the scapegoat so that if it all ever comes up, they'll be able to fire him and be like, we fired the problem. Problem now. But even then it's still.

[Paul Scheer]

But the reason.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right. Because they would still be behind. They can't. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

The reason they're behind what we find out. You're right, though.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think.

[Paul Scheer]

I think. Yeah. I think so far, everybody is right. All of the. That's the thing is all of these things are in play. And that's what's kind of difficult to kind of figure out because there's multiple People have multiple levels of secret plans, you know? Because what we then find out at the end is that it was Demi Moore's character who made the changes to the manufacturing line of the CD ROM drives that have necessitated that Michael Douglas is now a year behind schedule.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why did she do that? She just wanted to set the company.

[Paul Scheer]

Back cost cutting to get them maybe ready for the merger quicker.

[Nick Kroll]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

My guess is that they had a clock and they couldn't wait.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Anytime when you're Rolling in Malaysian news footage to your big reveal at the end. This is amazing.

[Nick Kroll]

Just like being like.

[Paul Scheer]

And he has all that overnight. He's able to overnight build an incredible case against Demi Moore.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All because this is a guy who's always helping out the little guy. His wife says it and she's like, oh, you don't. You're the only. Yeah, you're the only one who helps everybody or something. And then like his big help, except her.

[Emily Altman]

The Disneyland.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. He goes.

[Nick Kroll]

Big old Disneyland tickets.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He write, he writes. He goes. All the rides are computer pumped.

[Emily Altman]

You don't have to pay for a seat. Once you get in there. Go on any ride.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You can ride it as many times. Don't worry. All the rides are comped. When he said that, it just. It spoke to me that no one has been to Disneyland there. No one understood the concept.

[Emily Altman]

It's not hard to get tickets. It's not like a concert.

[Paul Scheer]

You have to like, get scalped off Disneyland.

[Nick Kroll]

Is that just to save the cat thing of, like, he's a good guy.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Emily Altman]

And why the guy guy helps him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right, right, exactly. He's from Malaysia.

[Paul Scheer]

Transaction is the same. The guy he got the Disney tickets for is the guy who faxes him all the incriminating.

[Nick Kroll]

His name is maybe Jafar.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, Jafar.

[Nick Kroll]

And this is post Aladdin.

[Emily Altman]

Or is this pre nod to Aladdin.

[Nick Kroll]

And is it Right.

[Emily Altman]

Terrible nod to Aladdin?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, because, yeah, Jafar wants to go to Disney World. He's not allowed in.

[Emily Altman]

He can afford some of the rides. He can't afford all of them.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, Michael Crichton's just like, with his kids are watching Aladdin in the background. He's like, Jafar. Great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Got it.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. Clickety clackity, clickety clackity.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Aladdin came out in 92, so. Yeah, it is. It is.

[Nick Kroll]

We're living in a post Aladdin world.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

Oh, yeah, go ahead. Please, please, please, please. Look, what I'm saying is I don't want to be stressed out by this. I might just take a Prozac.

[Emily Altman]

Oh, so 90s. Every little.

[Nick Kroll]

I know. As if, like, it's just like, oh, you want to. Like, I'm stressed out. Oh, you want a Prozac? It's like, this is not an Advil. Like Prozac.

[Paul Scheer]

Prozac works cumulative. You have to take pro. Something like Prozac for a long time for it to get into your. You don't just like, casually pop.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But this movie speaks of all these things as if they were all in the media Like Prozac VR, sexual harassment. It's like it's just thrown in terms, it's like, yeah, it's like a weird, random like timeline of what, 90s time capsule.

[Emily Altman]

Yeah, time capsule in there is present from the 90s. Everything is there.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

So when he goes into this office to meet her and they have their first meeting, she requests a back rub, which she does. I mean, this is so. It's so funny because they don't try to change it in any way. They just become basically, here are the details of how or the. The tropes of men sexually harassing women. We'll just have her do the exact same thing. Like, oh, give me a back rub. And. And that. And so funny. The secretary walks in.

[Nick Kroll]

Secretary totally indifferent, by the way.

[Emily Altman]

Why does she. I have a question about that. The secretary, when she. The secretary locks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Emily Altman]

Why? So the secretary was she.

[Paul Scheer]

This is before they could install. This is before the Matt Lauer. The Matt Lauer button that automatically locks the door.

[Nick Kroll]

The secretary had to lock the door.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That was so odd though, because she would have to say, like, hey, I'm.

[Emily Altman]

Gonna sexually harass someone in here.

[Nick Kroll]

Also here is my question is Demi Moore has been. Not like, this is the first he's seen. This is the first Michael Douglas has seen of her. She's got a fully. Not a fully furnished office yet.

[Paul Scheer]

No. It's under construction.

[Nick Kroll]

Right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But it's pretty, pretty, pretty done.

[Emily Altman]

Yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah. And she has flown her secretary up with her to. Like. I was sort of like, so the secretary is with her in. In the Val. In. In. In California. They've flown up that day.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

The office is basically done up and running.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And he didn't see it.

[Paul Scheer]

And he had no idea that this was not going to be. This was supposed to be his job.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They treat it like. Like the office is being decorated. Like a surprise party. Like, well, I know they're decorating that office. It's gonna be mine. Like, no, no, she's fully in there.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, choices have been made.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Like, he would have been able to look and be like, oh, that's not my.

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[Paul Scheer]

I don't think that thing.

[Nick Kroll]

She. Donald Sutherland, the guy from Happiness, Dylan Baker.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Dylan Baker.

[Paul Scheer]

He's one of the great weasels of our time. Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

They're all so excited to fuck over Michael.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that's one of the notes I made. I was like, this world. This movie exists in, a world in which just people at a tech company are so gleefully engaged in, like, nefarious activities to destroy a single person as if he's wronged them. And, like, they are. Dylan Baker is essentially, like, twirling a mustache throughout. Like, he's such an idiot. He has no idea.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And he's only shown us at that point to be the nicest of all. Like, he's helping out. He's got a hamper full of balls in his office that he likes to, you know, play with his basketball. I thought that was such a funny, weird scene.

[Nick Kroll]

Oh, I didn't see that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He has a hamper of balls. Like, it's like basketball, football. And at one point he's just like. Has a basketball and he's like. Just tosses it in the side.

[Nick Kroll]

Well, the office door stays open.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

And his secretary.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Paul Scheer]

Cindy, right? Are you a friend?

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah. Well, and it's like, she's. It's always so funny in movies where it's like, do you want the door open or closed? She's like, I always leave it open. She's like, you always leave it open. And you're like.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And she also is like. Like, they have a thing where she's very concerned about him when he is going through his trauma. Like, she's like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine. I'm fine. And then yet she testifies against him, which is.

[Paul Scheer]

They set that up as well. When he pats her on the butt with his. With the files in the beginning, they really show you that, like, they make sure You. That lands. So that. That's when that comes back later.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then she does it at the end. End. It shows that everyone's laying there.

[Emily Altman]

Everyone is doing it. Also, she kind of apologizes at the very. She apologizes at the very end for.

[Nick Kroll]

Which we have in.

[Emily Altman]

I didn't quite understand what she's apologizing.

[Nick Kroll]

For, but it feels bad, right? Well, it's like she's apologizing for, like, saying out loud that he, like, sexually harassed herself.

[Paul Scheer]

She's so sorry that I told the truth.

[Emily Altman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Such a fucking mixed message movie. Because she's like, I'm apologizing for testifying against you because you actually are a good guy. And now the thing that you did to me, I'm gonna do to you.

[Paul Scheer]

And playfully, though.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Playfully. Which he did to her playfully. Like, not lasciviously. So not that. I'm not saying that that's right or wrong. I'm just saying. But, like, no one's learned anything in this interaction. This has been.

[Nick Kroll]

No, I feel like they set up the idea that, like, in the office, like, look, Michael Douglas isn't perfect. Like, I feel like they were like.

[Paul Scheer]

We covered our bases.

[Nick Kroll]

We've covered. Covered our bases. Right. So we're not just saying to me, more sexually harass him. And Michael Douglas is an angel. He likes to play around a little bit. But it's all in good fun. It's nothing bad.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, keep in mind this, you know, this is 1994. This is before Joe Biden got plugs. Yeah, this is before. I mean, it's 2019, remember? Like, this looks antiquated because we have figured out sexual harassment, so clearly.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah, of course.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, this is like from another time.

[Nick Kroll]

There's no problems and everything.

[Paul Scheer]

Everything. This is. I mean, this looks.

[Nick Kroll]

No, we've solved all of this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Emily Altman]

I feel like nobody talks about it anymore these days. You're not really sort of hearing about it.

[Nick Kroll]

I know. It's like, not in the new I Went Away. I feel like this, like, I can't believe that this isn't the biggest movie in the alt right world.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Emily Altman]

The spirit is identical. It's so weird. So the way the defensiveness that he has, the persecution that he goes through from the guy on the ferry from the very beginning, it's like a world. Everyone is against him.

[Nick Kroll]

Yes.

[Emily Altman]

It feels so much like right now.

[Nick Kroll]

It is the guy on the ferry, which. The guy in the fairy. We have a puppet scene in the disclosure of the musical, briefly, you'll see, like a weird puppet version of the ominous man on the ferry. And we have the blowjob scene. We have like a experimental dance blowjob scene which we see very briefly. But the guy in the ferry is like, these women are taking our jobs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

And it's like I. And it's. And it's like 25 years later, it's still this feeling. It's the same sentiment, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Emily Altman]

And you're supposed to think, I think at the beginning that that guy's like over the top on the fer. But then the way the movie plays out, you're like, no, I think that's what Michael Douglas feels he experienced.

[Paul Scheer]

Michael Douglas looks at him at the end of the movie almost to say like, were you right?

[Emily Altman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Paul Scheer]

Are you some sort of. Are you like the pser? Are you like what's the Greek Black Tiberius or not? That's not right. But like that's a crazy idea.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, he says to him, he goes, you used to have fun with the girls, now they want your jack job. Like that's like, that's like the most damning thing you can say. Like, why can't we just like, why don't these girls just want to us anymore? Now they want to work and vote and get out there.

[Paul Scheer]

It really has been a rough, a real rough what, 15 years for straight white dudes. Like a real straight decline.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They're by the way, feeling. It put this in some sort of context too. This is four years before the Clinton Lewinsky stuff even comes out too. So it's like we're like it is. Well in the sense sense that it, it was ahead of its.

[Nick Kroll]

Well, that's what I bet like when I bet when all the Clinton Lewinsky stuff comes out and it's like I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Which is like, you know, it's like he didn't have sex with her, but she clearly blew him. He definitely put a cigar inside of her. And what an amazing guy to be the president of the United states in his mid-50s. To do that to a 20, 21.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

21 year old girl.

[Nick Kroll]

What a, what a great guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But, but also to talk about that, like just recently watching that Monica Lewinsky doc, you realize like, oh, I saw this totally wrong. The way the media kind of put it in your head as a kid. Like you're like, oh yeah, like you, you under like, no, his personal life is his personal life.

[Paul Scheer]

No, you don't write the lamestream media.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Jason has changed a lot too. Just like Dennis Miller, you've done a Lot of different genes the lame stream.

[Paul Scheer]

Media will have you believe.

[Nick Kroll]

But it is. I bet when the Clinton, Lewinsky stuff came out, I bet. I guarantee, like Crichton and all those guys were. Were like, we saw it.

[Paul Scheer]

We knew it.

[Nick Kroll]

We saw. Like, this is all these women taking down these good men in this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

You've got him say a line which is.

[Nick Kroll]

I can tell you right now, I mean, is it sexual harassment is about power?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

When did I ever have the power?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, that's amazing, the line.

[Nick Kroll]

But they say it like four times in the movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, here's the thing. Let's get into this scene, the sexual harassment scene. So it starts off with the. The arm rubbing or the. The back rub. The door is locked. And then the attack. This is the most. And maybe I'm wrong on this, but the most mixed message sexual harassment scene either, because.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, no, no, Meredith, no, no, Meredith.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Nick Kroll]

I got like Shia LaBeouf watching was like, okay, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But then the angles, like that blow. I mean, first of all, that's another hilarious, scariest thing, I guess in my mind that, like, for this, like, this woman, like. Like she wants to get off by giving him a blow job. Like, oh, I just want to get your cock in my mouth. That gets me off. Like, like. But like, so she's like. So you have this angle, like on her face in his crotch in those very pleated pants. And, you know, he's like, no, no, no. And then he kind of lifts her off and he's like, okay, you want to get fucked? Yeah, I'll fuck you.

[Paul Scheer]

You.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then they just start.

[Nick Kroll]

No, they almost.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, they almost rips.

[Emily Altman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Very important rips.

[Nick Kroll]

He rips her. And I think that's in one of those things where Mike's. Michael's like, I've got an idea. I've got one idea. Barry, before we roll on this, I thought maybe we try this. So he rips the underwear off. And then he said, you know, there.

[Paul Scheer]

Was a couple of times he tried to.

[Nick Kroll]

And it didn't work.

[Paul Scheer]

And he's like, can somebody score the underwear?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It'll rip easily. Easier.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Movie Clip Voice]

It's another dull day in the computer business.

[Nick Kroll]

Let me be the boss.

[Emily Altman]

She uses a lot of business language.

[Nick Kroll]

Oh, you got it.

[Paul Scheer]

No, she's like, the synergy between our bodies has never been.

[Emily Altman]

I want to download you. Let's ideate.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, no, no.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It'S a mistake. Now he's in the middle of getting it. You want to get fucked? Huh? Come on, do what you want.

[Emily Altman]

You want to get.

[Paul Scheer]

You're turning everybody on. Paul, say what you want. I love when she puts his. Her fingers in his mouth.

[Emily Altman]

But he.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So he says, do you want to get fucked? And then he gets all the power. Or in this moment, he is the aggressor, which I think is a funny, weird mix to be like, okay, so he's got to also show he's not really being sexually assaulted because he.

[Nick Kroll]

Then I believe that they're saying. I believe that, like, what they thought they were doing was being like, she's pushing him. She's pushing him. And then he's still a fucking dog. You know what I mean?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's got to do it. And now he's a man, he gotta do it.

[Paul Scheer]

And it, like, it is part of his character that he is like a womanizing man. Like a man with a past of, like, sexual prowess or whatever. And.

[Nick Kroll]

But it's like. But it's like he's a sexual prowess, like, guy. But, like, you see him at home and you see him with his family, and in general, he's like, so kind of like such a family man.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that's what, to me, Moore is kind of chipping away at. She basically he arrives and the first thing she does is be like, show me pictures of your family. Who. She then proceeds to neg fully. Oh, this is his daughter. He says, but look at this. My picture of my daughters. And she beautiful. She goes, she looks like your wife.

[Nick Kroll]

Who needs to lose weight.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She said, yeah. She goes, she never lost. And then Michael Douglas goes, she never lost the baby weight from the first baby. He throws that out there.

[Nick Kroll]

And by the way, which, by the.

[Emily Altman]

Way, that actress, what?

[Paul Scheer]

She's quite slender. How can you tell? She's wearing the blousiest of clothing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But that's a crazy thing to say to anyone. Like, yeah, my wife never lost that baby weight.

[Emily Altman]

It's almost like apologizing for it. Like, yeah, no, you caught that. I'm sorry.

[Paul Scheer]

And you know what, to say that to someone, someone who's an ex girlfriend of yours is an invitation.

[Emily Altman]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

To say that to an ex is basically to say, I'm not happy with.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is why it's confusing. He gave her.

[Nick Kroll]

I think that's what they think they were doing. They were like, see where there is gray?

[Emily Altman]

I think that's what it is. They're saying, like, if we really took a snapshot of what sexual harassment is, it's a lot. It's just a lot of gray. It's as much the women as it is.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By putting a man in that role, they can say like, that's why they do that thing on the ass slap at the end. It's like, guys, what is it? I mean, it really. What is like, where is it for you? It's not like it's a very mixed message.

[Emily Altman]

There's also something in that exchange where Demi Moore says, it looks like your wife keeps your refrigerator full of food. That's like another comment. And that's why he thinks that she's saying that she's fat because he food. But I don't even get what food.

[Paul Scheer]

I think she's saying, like, she seems like a good provider. Yes.

[Emily Altman]

Like a dummy at home or something like that.

[Nick Kroll]

And even though she's a lawyer and she's got a bed full of papers, she's quite accomplished. Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

She's got a bed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She's always doing it.

[Nick Kroll]

It's such a 90s thing of like, I'm working at home, so my bed is covered.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, that is a June Diane Rayfield specialty.

[Nick Kroll]

Really.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

June makes the bed a full blown office. It is like, there are books when.

[Paul Scheer]

I tried to get her the car so that she's just in a virtual office in bed. She just puts on virtual office. Imagine walking into your bedroom and June is just reaching out.

[Nick Kroll]

There's something about June that is like a little 90s working woman.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, by the way, I think that she is somebody who grew up on Baby Boom and she's like, I want to live this life.

[Paul Scheer]

She's also playing Let the River Run while she does it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let the River Run. Carly Simon sings in our room every night.

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[Paul Scheer]

You guys have changed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

June does say that she considers it.

[Nick Kroll]

Used to be curly bed office.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, she does. Like.

[Paul Scheer]

She considers her bed the office.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She likes to. She's very open about loving to get into bed at early times and be like, let's like, let's figure this.

[Paul Scheer]

Get to work.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I literally, when I come to bed, I'm like, I'm moving books and files and things. You're probably one of the only people.

[Paul Scheer]

That wakes up with paper cuts.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But so he is shout out to June. June, who said when she. She's in New York right now doing press for her book, her great book, that she's like, I'm so bummed I'm not here for this episode. She's like, this is my favorite movie.

[Paul Scheer]

We have to get it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And she was watching me watch it on the plane yesterday. And she's like, oh, wish I could talk about this movie. She also gave me a warning. She's like, you be careful in there tomorrow. She's like, you guys are in a minefield.

[Nick Kroll]

Well, it is. But again, like Michael Douglas, it's. Everyone's in a minefield. And like, I think, like, how. It's just this movie to me is. Is so. In a weird way, it is very prophetic about how all of this would eventually go down. It only took 25 years. Years for us to be like, watch how. For, like, white men to be like, watch how. And all men. How women are going to weaponize sexual harassment against men.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And what I think is so interesting is the movie is also a revenge film. Like, because once he's been wrong, he's like, now I'm going to fucking wreck your life.

[Emily Altman]

The scene where he confronts her because it goes beyond. He wants to humiliate her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Emily Altman]

He's too, like, tricky, where he's like, meredith, I'm just curious. I thought you were in charge of that. And then everyone starts to laugh at her. Yeah, it's. There's too much emotion behind. He needs it too much.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And they never really do that to him. Everything that he's doing is very segmented. The only people that are probably laughing at him is the guy who accidentally got the message on his answering machine of the hardcore sex scene.

[Paul Scheer]

What was that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because he was auto type on his phone, made him call the wrong guy. Guy.

[Paul Scheer]

That wasn't someone we knew. Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought it was going to be the guy from the boat.

[Nick Kroll]

That it was. No, that was confusing.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Nick Kroll]

I also think that in this, like the. It's like the speeches and the reveal. There's two. At least two times when Demi Moore cannot help herself but reveal, like, what a.

[Paul Scheer]

She does, like, a couple of different. You can't handle the truths. You know where it's like when. If you push me, guess what? I won't back down.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you want to hear?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Want to hear her big. This is her big seat.

[Paul Scheer]

Locked the door.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You demanded service and then you got.

[Paul Scheer]

Angry when he didn't provide it, so.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You decided to get even to get.

[Paul Scheer]

Rid of him with this trumped up charge. Ms. Johnson, the only thing you have proven is that a woman in power can be every bit as abusive as a man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thesis statement for the film.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah.

[Movie Clip Voice]

You want to put me on trial here? Let's at least be honest about what it's for. I am a Sexually aggressive woman. I. I like it. Tom knew it. And you can't handle it. It is the same damn thing since the beginning of time. Veil it, hide it, lock it up, and throw away the key. We expect a woman to do a man's job, make a man's money, and then walk around with a parasol and lie down for a man to fuck her like it was still 100 years ago. Well, no, thank you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way. That speech is so A Few Good Men and she's in A Few Good Men two years before.

[Emily Altman]

Yeah, I kind of like, like that speech. There's something about it that's like very pleasing, by the way. I think the content is wrong, but I like the way I think she's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Good in this movie. I think she's like, really good.

[Paul Scheer]

I think there's a bunch of good performances in this movie which make it even more insane. It's not. It's not campy. It's not over the top performance wise. You know, people are finding a way to compellingly deliver insane lines like that.

[Nick Kroll]

Well, but I will say this. What Michael Douglas and Demi Moore are both doing a lot of is lower lip work. Michael Douglas lower lip is.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

And I don't know if it's always like that, but it's like really jutted out. And I feel like to me, Moore is also doing a lot of lower lip work in this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

They both worked with the same acting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's like the top part of their face is different than the bottom part. It really does feel like their top part is almost frozen. Like Michael Caine has that thing, like never blink with it on camera. And I feel like they're like, never move a muscle in the top the of part of your face, only the bottom lip.

[Nick Kroll]

Because this isn't a pre. This is probably in like a pre botoxy world, right? But Michael Douglas lower lip is. But there are some good speeches in here. Or they're like. And it is this weird thing where it's like they're trying to bring up the idea that, like, how can a woman should be able to do whatever. We talk a lot in the. In the. There's about a. What is it? An Aggressive woman Likes to Be on Top is one of our SO songs and. But I do think it is a lot about an aggressive woman likes to be on top and they want to talk to it. But then they're also like. But an aggressive woman can't control herself and like loses her shit. Which is what Demi Moore does time and time again. It's like, yes, she's powerful, yes, she's aggressive, but she also has no control over her emotions. So she's going to let loose and say things she shouldn't say multiple times.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But, you know, it's interesting because at certain points you are on her side, you are on his side. Like you. You see, you see it clearly. And I think, I mean, and again, this whole idea of the gray, I think it comes out in this where you leave just going like, I don't know, like, I mean, you can. You can really find. She doesn't seem like a villain necessarily at the end. I mean, the most villainous act she does is sabotage the plant. Right, right. I mean. Right.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, for profit, you know, in the company. That, that it seems to me.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Right.

[Paul Scheer]

Perhaps might have been done at the behest of Donald Sutherland. I'm not sure. I don't think she's out there acting as a malicious agent alone.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Paul Scheer]

You know what I mean? I don't think she's trying to game the system for her own gain or anything like that. I think she is a company. I think she's part of a company that itself is participating in, misrepresenting itself. Itself in order to overvaluate their. Their merger price. You know, I don't think she's like trying to be set up as like, oh, she's like working alone as the bad guy. I think they're all bad. I think Sutherland is bad. I think Dylan Baker's bad. I think their whole team seems to be like a cabal of evildoers.

[Nick Kroll]

And Dylan Baker also in the mediation. Everybody kind of in and out of the mediation in the middle of the day.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, I got to go back to.

[Nick Kroll]

Work, you know, I mean, doing it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

In the middle of the day. They're going to it like they're like, they're going to a different location.

[Nick Kroll]

They're going to another. Another glass office conference room. Like, let's go to that other glass conference room.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Cuz I thought it was in their thing. And then they had to go back to work to then go back to the mediation. Although I do like when he wins the mediation at the end, they needed to connect him and his lawyer. And I love his lawyer, Roma Mafia. Like she's Katherine. Katherine Alvarez. Like, they win and they're like, they don't hug. They just do this like, awkward up top high five. Like, like they're like. They'll be like, yeah, we did it. It's such a weird thing that. Not a handshake it's like, yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

And then they. And then he goes back and it's like, wait, the paper's gone through. There's like, this is all part of their plot to screw me. Because it's so. It's like, it's so convoluted.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, well, because now, you know, now they couldn't get him on this sexual harassment thing, so now that need to scapegoat him for the plants flaws again to make them look good to the people who are going to buy them. The guy from Texas or whatever.

[Nick Kroll]

Junior Jun.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, no, then the father comes at the end of the movie when they're.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All so excited to check out the VR setup in his hotel room. Which, by the way, the other thing that I love because it makes no sense is it's like a bouncy mat. Like a, like an exercise bouncy mat that has balls on it. But they're walking around so fluidly. It's like, well, they're gonna walk right off that fucking bouncing mat. Like a normal human being's feet would almost be touching the ends of the bouncy mat at regular.

[Paul Scheer]

It's like a personal tread trampoline is what it looks like he's standing on. But then he's walking full stride through the corridor.

[Nick Kroll]

But then there's also that moment where he almost like falls off a cliff of the building.

[Paul Scheer]

Why did they build the corridor to have edges, like, large? Like it's as if the stairs at Hogwarts that are moving around is part of it. And you can't quite be certain that when you step next, it won't be just an abyss.

[Nick Kroll]

By the way, are you a Harry Potter?

[Emily Altman]

I'm not.

[Nick Kroll]

I've never like. And I'm not either, but it does feel like me neither. Yeah. Yeah. You don't like. You don't like the Harry Potter movies, right? Jason? Never heard of it. Have you read any of the books?

[Paul Scheer]

I don't even know what it is.

[Emily Altman]

Harry.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who.

[Paul Scheer]

Are you saying?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Perry?

[Nick Kroll]

Hotter that you know you do. I know about Perrying Hutter and. But the virtual like, storage room, file cabinet, library space. I feel like Harry Potter kind of stole the like, movable.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

J.K. rowling. Big fan of Crichton. Emily. So obviously in writing this episode, you. You saw this movie a lot. Are there any, like, little things that just jump out at you as being like. I mean, we talk about a lot, but like, even lines or moments that you're like, oh my God, I like, well, Dennis.

[Emily Altman]

We already started talking about Dennis Miller. But the jokes, the way that Nick was describing it, sort of the way that a drama writer writes comedy. Every single. I get the spirit of it that he's supposed to be like, a little bit nasty.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Emily Altman]

But everything is just like a clip slick off to engross the way he described. He's like, nipples like pencil erasers.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Emily Altman]

And everyone in the room is like, yeah, pencil eraser.

[Paul Scheer]

In case you make a mistake.

[Emily Altman]

Oh, you're gonna use her boobs to erase crossword puzzle.

[Paul Scheer]

Because now you're gonna put it.

[Nick Kroll]

And I don't. And you might get into this in the, like, I read the. I googled, like, reviews of the movie. Be like, how was this movie received? And I know Paul. You might.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I have a couple, but go ahead.

[Nick Kroll]

Well, the first line of the Roger Ebert review. Do you have that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I do. It's like, I'm sorry, tell me if you. If you have it.

[Nick Kroll]

It's like, like, basically the first line is like, the wonder bra does amazing things for Demi Moore's cleavage. But this movie is a little bit lost in its delivery. And you're like, why did the, like, Roger Ebert look at grandma?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He also said, basically a launch pad for sex scenes. But it's not. He doesn't even. Even have sex with his wife. Which I think would have been interesting too. Like, just to show, like, he's a horny guy.

[Nick Kroll]

Like sex.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I know. To show that there was some. I don't know, some even chemistry there between them. It's a weird thing.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. I wonder if they were trying to make the point that he used to be this real playboy, but now he's been domesticated and Demi Moore is opening the door to wildness again.

[Emily Altman]

That's what she says to him.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. And that it's almost like his home life happens. Has to be sexless in order for the other side of it to seem attractive. But like, the more the. The. That's like. But I think that sort of be that, like. Like it shouldn't have that much of a. A spread almost.

[Nick Kroll]

I think that that's part of the movie, though, is like, this guy used to be a playboy and now he got married and like, he's a work a day guy and he's been beaten down. And doesn't it suck? And like, you know, what's he supposed to do in this hottie tries to blow him.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. You get passed over by a promotion for by. It's like the guy on the boat. They might as well have the guy on the boat narrate the movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I know. Well, obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. Now it's time for second opinions.

[Paul Scheer]

The movie was a piece of.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yet.

[Nick Kroll]

This person recommends it. Tell me what is the main message? Maybe that art is subjective. I need a second opinion.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank you, John Le for that amazing song as always. Well, get ready people because if you thought the movie had some problematic issues, these reviews go there. These are five star reviews. Cold from Amazon. Average rating of this movie, 4.5 out of 5 stars. 237 total reviews. 65% are 5 star reviews.

[Paul Scheer]

Holy shit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And let's see. Maria writes a very interesting and realistic movie that brought us sexual harassment in the workplace and showed us how as women become CEOs, VPs and directors of corporations, they start to show some of the same characteristics shown by men in the workplace. Women can be just as aggressive and focused on seeking sex with men that they work with. I think this movie shows a very realistic, true to life story that happens every day in corporate America. Five stars. Excellent. Yeah, that is. That is kind of the tenor of many of this. And then this one I really like because it's a little bit different from Paulo Roberto Ilias. He writes, Disclosure is a suspenseful corporate intrigue drama showing us what goes on behind closed doors in many places. It has an appealing interface to an audience by showing how products can be made flawed by careless manufacturing. Five stars.

[Movie Clip Voice]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

I love that guy. The movie that guy watched was very different.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I really like that.

[Nick Kroll]

I happen to work in CD Rom manufacturing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Joanie writes, Love this movie. Watched it over 20 times. We'll watch it again now. Five stars.

[Paul Scheer]

Chachi writes, not a fan.

[Nick Kroll]

Can you imagine being like, this is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My favorite movie 20 times watching this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

You know that movie when you meet someone and you're starting to kind of fall in love, you're like, oh, do we have the same taste in movies? Like, I want to show you this.

[Nick Kroll]

Favorite movie on three. One, two, three.

[Paul Scheer]

Disclosure.

[Nick Kroll]

Let's spend our lives together.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This one is written by Paula Pumpkin. Did not care for the sex part, but overall the movie's very good and held your interest till the end. Five stars.

[Nick Kroll]

Paula.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This one is written like this Great movie. It shows just how far some women will go to get what they want in the workplace is not just a movie. It happens every day in the workplace. If you're charged with sexual harassment, it is a nightmare. When this became a workplace issue, my wife asked me if I knew the definition of sexual harassment and I said no. And her response was, well, you know what it is. Anything you want it to be. So I'm glad that I retired six years ago by the stock wait.

[Nick Kroll]

Meaning this guy was, like, constantly sexually harassing me.

[Emily Altman]

I quit that day.

[Nick Kroll]

He told me that.

[Emily Altman]

And I was.

[Nick Kroll]

But truly, it was like my wife. And I know that I sexually harass women constantly.

[Paul Scheer]

My wife gets it. I'm a piece of shit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So those are some of the reviews. Some interesting side facts. I did tell you the movie made 83 here. It made 213 million worldwide.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So that means, you know, that's giant. The tagline was sex is power. And it was not written. I mean, the novel's written by Michael Crichton, but the screenplay was written by the. The same guy, Paul Anastasio, who wrote Donnie Brasco and Quiz Show. Interesting. Yeah. Which is interesting. And then if you do have a kink of watching Donald Sutherland turn into a vampire, then you definitely need to watch this movie, because that is a scene we didn't really talk about, but is one of the best scenes. Michael Douglas has been traumatized, and he gets. And he has a nightmare wound.

[Paul Scheer]

He has a sexy dream about Donald.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sutherland coming onto him like a vampire. It's so bizarre that.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait. I don't think it's like a vampire, though. He doesn't have fangs or anything. Oh, I guess he's trying to make out with him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're right. And I think I took it as like.

[Paul Scheer]

You thought he was turning into a vampire.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought he was turning into a vampire.

[Paul Scheer]

No, he's trying to sexually assault him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, geez. I'm an idiot. Cause you know what? I looked at the way he was coming with his mouth.

[Nick Kroll]

We don't have.

[Paul Scheer]

They shot it weird.

[Nick Kroll]

We don't have June here today. But I feel like that is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That may have been.

[Paul Scheer]

That is a moment.

[Nick Kroll]

That is like a June moment where she's like. And he was a vampire.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was wondering why no one guy got. No one was like, what does Paul mean?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. Because I thought you were maybe referring to another Donald Sutherland role.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, no.

[Paul Scheer]

And I was like, oh, no. There is. Because in my mind, this guy. The merger goes through, the CD ROM business takes off, and then everything happens. But then it becomes Pan Am and it's the Hunger Games and he's President Snow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm just watching it again. They do it like a very tight perspective. It's like Michael Douglas pov. Yeah. And then he goes, come on, Bob. Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Nick Kroll]

Now he comes in for a kiss, and it looks like, he's gonna suck his.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. And his tongue is out like before. Like, his tongue is making the first contact.

[Paul Scheer]

You thought he was trying to bite his neck for blood?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I thought he was having, like, a weird dream. Like, they're sucking me dry at this company. I did not even pull at the Together. It's so bizarre that now he also feels like, well, that's the beauty of.

[Nick Kroll]

A movie like this. It's all about your interpretation.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, obviously, we, you know, we normally ask, do you recommend this movie? But I think you need to watch this movie to. Or not. You don't need to watch it to enjoy it, but I think it'll give another level of enjoyment.

[Nick Kroll]

I would say, like, this, the episode that is. I don't know what number it is in season three, but it's later in the season. It's probably like episode eight or nine of season season three. It's Disclosure, the musical. The other part of that episode is the Queer Eye guys. They. Queer Eye coach Steve. It's like one of my favorite episodes of the show. Jay recommends coach Steve. And anyway, the point is I can't recommend this movie enough. Just in general, but also specifically when you watch Big Mouth, the Disclosure episode, it will be that much more gratifying.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And Big Mouth comes out next week on Netflix. What's the actual day it drops?

[Nick Kroll]

October 4th, it drops. So this is a great thing to do leading up to watching Big Mouth so that when the season comes out.

[Emily Altman]

Every day, watch Disclosure.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Can you watch this one out of order?

[Nick Kroll]

I would watch it in order. I would let. I would let the season because there's some stuff that happens in the. In the episode that are irrelevant to the season. And so I would like. I would. I would wait to watch it until you hit it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And who are the stars of the Disclosure musical? Or is that a secret?

[Nick Kroll]

It's not a secret. I mean, Nick is.

[Emily Altman]

Maybe the other ones. We can.

[Nick Kroll]

Yes, the other ones. Nick is. Yes, we'll leave the rest a secret. But Nick, maybe the star of the.

[Paul Scheer]

Are you guys at all.

[Nick Kroll]

Might have a Michael Douglas wig.

[Paul Scheer]

Maybe the success of this, like, obviously the success of this show, Big Mouth and this season especially, I think is everybody's really highly anticipating will this. Will this episode launch a musical Disclosure? Like, are you interested. Are you interested in mounting Disclosure, the musical? Or are you going to let high schools or middle schools, I guess, across the country? Mount Productions.

[Nick Kroll]

We got to talk to Samuel French about that.

[Paul Scheer]

Smart.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, the book. The book of this would be great.

[Nick Kroll]

It's Going to be. And Mark Rivers. Mark Rivers wrote all the music for. He wrote.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How many songs did you guys do?

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah, I mean, you've got the power now. You've got the power now. Aggressive woman likes to be on top.

[Emily Altman]

The interpretive blowjob ballet.

[Nick Kroll]

Yes. And there's one or two others. I can't remember.

[Emily Altman]

There's like a long. Oh, there's a long montage.

[Nick Kroll]

The whole opening. It's finally happening. We waited so long. The opening number is like the opening number of. It's for the rehearsal or the tryouts for it. But it's a. If there's at least three or four full numbers in the show, I cannot wait. It's crazy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I really do recommend, like, we talked about this movie being like 2 hours and 10 minutes, but it goes down smooth. It really is. I mean, like, I watch totally. Like, I was like, I'm like, a lot of the times I'm looking at like, how much longer?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

How much longer?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm like, no, it tells a story well. I mean, it's confused.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, unlike a lot. Again, a lot of the movies we do are poorly made.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

This is an impeccable, impeccably constructed movie from the, you know, from great filmmakers, from smart, you know, like, this is. It is absolute trash. But you can. It is certainly constructed. Well, you're not. I wasn't confused. Yeah, like, like during the visitor, I was.

[Emily Altman]

I was confused about all of the text. Did you guys fully understand?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, I mean, that stuff I feel like again, it's like they're just saying, I think goblins.

[Nick Kroll]

And by the way, we didn't even just mention like what emails look like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I wrote it down. One of the things I loved about this movie is it opens with the girl, his daughter going, greeting, dad, you got a email. Email. And the emails are written like letters.

[Nick Kroll]

Yeah.

[Emily Altman]

And she reads it aloud from the beginning to the end. The entire. Yells it, I guess, to nobody in the house.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, almost everybody does that. Almost everybody reads their emails aloud as. As if, like they need to comprehend it in a way that is.

[Nick Kroll]

He also has some great one sided phone calls, by the way. She's doing some great one sided phone call cell phone work.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean. Yeah, the cell phone. I love like all the details. I mean, and it's.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, and I love the guy on the boat who's like, remember when cell phones were huge? And he was like, yeah, I was in Wall street when they were huge. I was Gordon Gekko. Remember? I'm synonymous with those giant cell Phones now. Why at the end of the movie, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everything thing happens. Why does. Why did. Okay, so they're. They, they're in the car and his. Michael Douglas's daughter says, daddy, I didn't believe any of the stuff they said about you. Who told the daughter?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who told the daughter?

[Emily Altman]

Reading the email.

[Paul Scheer]

And why. Why did.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What if the daughter was a friend.

[Paul Scheer]

Why did they tell like a 7 year old what was going on? It wasn't in the papers. It wasn't.

[Nick Kroll]

I think what they're saying. Saying is like the kids are. I think, yeah, kids are pick. See what's happening.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And just in a weird moment of life imitating art. In 2003, Demi was sued for sexual harassment by her ranch caretaker. He claimed that she fired him after he rejected her advances. Ultimately, she was cleared of all charges. But I also feel like I'm sure that I was like this movie.

[Emily Altman]

Where did I get this idea from? I feel like I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The ranch hand. So. All right.

[Nick Kroll]

Can I promote one more thing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, yeah, please.

[Nick Kroll]

I'm also going on a standup tour, Middle Aged Boy Tour this fall all over the country. So I'll be doing shows wherever. These guys and June have been running through this wonderful nation following up.

[Paul Scheer]

It's a great show. I've seen it. Go see it, everybody.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm very excited to see it. I've seen pieces of it and it's very good. Where can they go get tickets for that?

[Nick Kroll]

Go to nickcroll.com Middle Aged Boy Tour.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love it. Emily, anything you want to talk about?

[Emily Altman]

No, just Big mouth. Very excited. October 4th.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love it. All right.

[Nick Kroll]

I really, truly do. This season of Big Mouth I'm very pleased with.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There's some crazy episodes I cannot wait.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you.

[Nick Kroll]

Thank you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Emily. Big Mouth is coming back. Season three on Netflix October 4th. And if you have not picked up June's book, go and get it.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Guide to Running for office and changing the world. It is fantastic. Give it to a woman in your life who you think should run for office. Or if you are that woman, pick up the book and make sure you head over to teepublic.com we have amazing shirts, brand new shirts from the tour from our last couple of episodes. A lot of them are on sale right now, so definitely check that [e-mail] stores, HDTGM. And a bit big thanks to Avril Halley who helps us with all of our film choices. Nick Kiley, who does all of our research. Molly Reynolds, who just chipped in this week and took a lot of information and gave it to me right before the show. Devin, who of course is engineering this entire thing. Cody, one of our producers and everybody here at Earwolf, we appreciate you. Make sure that we hear your voices next week on the mini episode. You can give us a call at 619-Paul-Ask. That's 619, Paul-Ask to hear what you what your thoughts about disclosure are or about your life. We want to hear from you on our mini episodes. And if you're still listening right now, and I hope you are, rate and review the podcast on itunes. It helps us. It really does. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you next time. Bye for now. Hey guys. Joel Kim Booster here with a very exciting announcement that I am the newest host of the podcast Bad Dates. I am so excited to be here and sharing all the wildest, most chaotic and iconic bad date stories with you. I'll be joined by friends like Peppermint, Scott Thompson, Casey Wilson, Ron Funches and MJ Rodriguez and we'll hear all about their most notorious bad dates. It'll make you laugh, cry, cringe, and.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Emily Altman]

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