Spider-Man 3 w/ Kulap Vilaysack (HDTGM Matinee)

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary: "Spider-Man 3 w/ Kulap Vilaysack (HDTGM Matinee)"

Introduction In this episode of How Did This Get Made?, hosts Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, and Jason Mantzoukas dive deep into the notorious film Spider-Man 3. Joined by special guest Kulap Vilaysack, the team embarks on a humorous yet critical examination of what makes Spider-Man 3 a quintessential example of a "so-bad-it's-good" movie. The discussion spans from plot inconsistencies and character development to CGI mishaps and memorable (albeit unintentional) comedic moments.

Initial Impressions and Setting the Stage The conversation kicks off at [01:32], with Jason Mantzoukas expressing initial optimism about Spider-Man 3, referencing the success of its predecessors:

Jason Mantzoukas [01:32]: "Spider Man 1 was good. Spider Man 2 was great."

However, their enthusiasm quickly dampens as they recount their experience watching the film:

Jason Mantzoukas [01:36]: "We were like, yes. What could possibly go wrong? Apparently everything we saw in Spider Man 3."

Too Many Villains and Character Overload One of the primary critiques centered around the film's overcrowded roster of villains. The hosts highlight how the introduction of multiple antagonists dilutes the narrative and confuses the audience:

Jason Mantzoukas [03:33]: "You have the Green Goblin's son, Sandman, Venom, and Eddie Brock. But you have two. It's sort of like Venom is a villain of Peter, and then Brock also is kind of a—"

Kulap Vilaysack [03:59]: "Oh, I was just gonna say it's as if there's only six people in New York City. It makes no sense."

This excessive number of villains not only strains the plot but also undermines each character’s impact, leading to a disjointed and fragmented storyline.

Plot Holes and Inconsistencies The episode delves into several plot holes that plague Spider-Man 3. One notable issue discussed is the mysterious behavior of the symbiote and its attachment to Peter Parker:

Jason Mantzoukas [05:04]: "So what was it doing? It was just hanging out, waiting for him to fall asleep."

Additionally, the hosts point out the prolonged duration it takes for Peter Parker to don the Spider-Man suit, which detracts from the film’s pacing:

Jason Mantzoukas [06:00]: "34 fucking minutes."

Character Development and Relationships The dynamic between Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson is another focal point. The hosts critique the lack of chemistry and the unrealistic portrayal of their relationship struggles:

Kulap Vilaysack [14:26]: "They have like 20 minutes between every action sequence. This movie is a fucking disaster zone."

Furthermore, the introduction of Gwen Stacy as a model deviates from her character in the comics, leading to confusion and a lack of depth in her portrayal.

CGI and Special Effects Despite being part of a blockbuster franchise, the CGI in Spider-Man 3 is heavily criticized for its inconsistency and lack of finesse compared to earlier installments:

Jason Mantzoukas [11:11]: "The Sandman. ... So bad."

The hosts lament how the CGI fails to bring the Sandman character to life convincingly, making his transformations appear more ludicrous than menacing.

Memorable (Unintentional) Comedy Moments Amidst the critiques, the hosts find humor in certain unintentionally funny scenes, such as the infamous "finger guns" moment and the awkward dance sequences. These moments, while indicative of the film's shortcomings, provide comedic relief and memorable lines:

Jason Mantzoukas [27:12]: "I think the finger guns. And then when he goes into, like, the club... that's horrible."

Acting and Performance Issues The performances, particularly by guest Kulap Vilaysack and other supporting actors, are dissected for their over-the-top and sometimes nonsensical portrayals. The transformation scenes, where characters morph between human and villain forms, are highlighted as poorly executed:

Kulap Vilaysack [17:38]: "But source material, like that shirt is canon."

Audience Reception and Critical Reviews The hosts touch upon the polarized reception of Spider-Man 3, noting that while some hardcore fans continue to praise the film, the majority view it as a flawed installment in the Spider-Man saga. They reference Amazon reviews that range from bewildered ratings to sarcastic endorsements:

Jason Mantzoukas [45:35]: "A must-see movie. 5 stars. One of my favorite favorite things now."

These out-of-sync reviews further illustrate the film's inability to meet audience expectations consistently.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts Wrapping up the discussion, the hosts agree that Spider-Man 3 serves as a quintessential example of a film that struggles to balance multiple storylines and characters, resulting in a disjointed and often baffling narrative. Despite its flaws, the movie provides ample comedic material for the hosts to celebrate its failures.

Kulap Vilaysack [47:44]: "I would watch the first two first. I wouldn't watch it just to watch it. I would watch the first two and then watch this. Because in juxtaposition, you will truly appreciate what a bag of shit this is."

Notable Quotes with Attribution and Timestamps

• Jason Mantzoukas [03:06]: "They have equal parts dancing as there is fighting."

• Kulap Vilaysack [05:57]: "It was a full hour of the movie. Like a meteorite lands, it attaches itself to Peter Parker's moped, and then an hour later is like, oh, wait a minute..."

• Jason Mantzoukas [16:00]: "Manhattan's an island. It works for me now. But he can be put out or he can be destroyed by water."

• Kulap Vilaysack [27:38]: "He starts talking in, like, this... Just gotta hear the way he talks. Cool. Like Dean Martin."

• Jason Mantzoukas [41:19]: "Who is this movie for? Because, like, it's not really kidsy enough to be like a Spider man kids movie..."

Key Takeaways

1. Overcrowded Villain List: Spider-Man 3 attempts to juggle too many antagonists, leading to a fragmented storyline.
2. Plot Inconsistencies: Numerous plot holes undermine the film’s cohesiveness and pacing.
3. Character Portrayals: Deviations from comic book characters, such as Gwen Stacy’s portrayal as a model, dilute their essence.
4. CGI Shortcomings: Special effects fail to convincingly bring key villains like Sandman to life.
5. Unintentional Comedy: Flaws in the script and direction offer unintentional humor, contributing to the film's "so-bad-it's-good" reputation.
6. Polarized Reception: While some fans defend the film, the majority critique its numerous shortcomings.

Conclusion Spider-Man 3 stands as a testament to the challenges of balancing multiple storylines and character arcs within a superhero franchise. Through its myriad flaws, the film provides a rich ground for comedic exploration and serves as a cautionary tale for future cinematic endeavors in the genre.

Transcript

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Spider Man 1 was good. Spider Man 2 was great.

[Paul Scheer]

When we heard about Spider Man 3.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We were like, yes. What could possibly go wrong? Apparently everything we saw Spider Man 3. So you know what that means. Now it's time for how did this get big? We're gonna have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be a hater. Cause you know, you wonder how did this. Let's wallow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello people of Earth, and welcome to how did this get Made? I am your host, Paul Scheer. I am joined as always by June Diane Rayfield.

[Paul Scheer]

How are you, June?

[June Diane Raphael]

Good, how are you, Paul?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And live via satellite or Skype, Jason Mantzouk is in New York. Jason, welcome.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

What's going on?

[June Diane Raphael]

Is that what the delay is gonna be like?

[Elizabeth Banks]

Get ready everybody.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Is there a delay? I can't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, well, it's a little delay. We'll give you some space on the side of it. We have a very special guest.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's okay, it's okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

One of our favorite people, she is the co host of who Charted. Please welcome Kulap Villisack.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Hi. Hi.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hey. What's going on?

[Elizabeth Banks]

Oh, man. Guys, I'm psyched to talk about this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I brought up Spider Man 3 because I feel like Spider man is out in the theater. People have to look back about why this movie was rebooted. And it all stems from this movie where there are equal parts dancing as there is fighting. Just as many dance scenes in this movie as there are full on fight scenes. And that I think is the main core problem of this movie.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

And not just dancing, but singing. Like full on singing numbers.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I don't know if I would say dance scenes as much as I would say like gun dance move scenes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, bad dancing. Like sexy's dances. Like Staying alive style John Travolta dancing. Oh, man. I do want to say, I know a lot of people's complaints about this movie is there are too many villains. Ye. You have the Green Goblin's son.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Harry, you got the Sandman.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Marco.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, you got it all. You got Venom.

[Elizabeth Banks]

That's right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then you got Eddie Brock. But you have two. Cause it's sort of like Venom is a villain of Peter. And then Brock also is kind of a. I mean, I mean, they did.

[Elizabeth Banks]

A crappy job of explaining that with symbiotics.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I want to. Because you know this more. And I would say the fourth or fifth villain in this movie is coincidence because there is so much.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

The movie.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah, there's.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Oh, I was just gonna say it's as if there's only six people in New York City. It makes no sense. And they just keep running into each other the whole time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it's like, oh, thankfully Peter Parker was hanging out in the park when the alien symbiote crashed near him and it was able to jump on his. It's not even.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And that Eddie Brock happened to go into that cathedral, that church, while that bell was ringing.

[June Diane Raphael]

Realize this, though, about the symbiote, I don't know from what you speak. So basically, Brock was not trying to get into that Venom suit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The Venom suit got into him.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Chose him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I have some questions about this Venom suit. I mean.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yes, it's messed up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right. So basically, this symbiote attaches itself to Peter Parker's motor scooter.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Well, first of all, the symbiote is an alien. And that's the other thing is, by the way, guys, there's an alien in this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Who is just goo.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like the alien is like Terminator silver goo.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And then when his professor, Dr. Connors tells him about it, he just. It's very blase.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Elizabeth Banks]

This little creature is running around towards Peter and he's like, hey, don't hang out with that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Did you touch any of it? No. I was confused because when the symbiote first gets him, he's in bed in his Spider man costume and it just turns the red costume black. And then he's able to take that off.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Why is he sleeping in the red costume on top of his covers?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, he's warm.

[June Diane Raphael]

It gets hot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He fell asleep listening to the police scanner.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I mean, and by the way, it was days from when the symbiote first entered Peter Parker's apartment to when he attached himself. So what was it doing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It was just hanging out, waiting for him to fall asleep.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

It was a full hour. It was a full hour of the movie. Like a meteorite lands, it attaches itself to Peter Parker's moped, and then an hour later is like, oh, wait a minute, why don't I just turn his red suit black and infect him with ang.

[June Diane Raphael]

Maybe it had attached itself to other things in the room, like plants.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it didn't work. And it didn't. I would like to just bring up another part, another general thought on this one. How long do you think it was until we saw Spider man fighting? There is one fight scene, but when do you. Oh, my God, when do you think?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Like 40 minutes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

34 minutes and 36 seconds into the movie. It takes until he is in the Spider Man. You see, like recaps of it, but until he's in that costume. 34 fucking minutes.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's a lot of time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's like an origin story.

[Elizabeth Banks]

That's bad. They're trying to. They start off the movie like it's good times for Peter.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, it's great.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's like as popular.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's like as popular as an ugly Kardashian. Like, he is kind of like. And everybody, everyone's covering this story. Like, there's too much love for Spider Man.

[June Diane Raphael]

None of the Kardashians are ugly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Not ugly. I'm just saying, one of the less popular.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Who cares? Like, it's a Spider man movie, right? It's a superhero Spider man movie. Let's get to it. And it opens with, like him seeing his girlfriend in a Broadway play.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah, we finally get that. Finally. That three minute scene of Mary Jane singing. Finally in our Spider man movie, we get to see that.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

That's fucking hot.

[Elizabeth Banks]

But by the way, I have a.

[June Diane Raphael]

Question about that scene because. Okay, so later on in the movie, we find out that she didn't do it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well.

[June Diane Raphael]

We only know that she didn't do a good job because other people in the audience tell us that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, no, only was she bad in the movie. No, she was good.

[June Diane Raphael]

Right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wasn't she good? I thought she. I'm no American Idol judge.

[Elizabeth Banks]

We were in the vantage point of Peter, who was in the first row.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right.

[Elizabeth Banks]

The reviewers, the cameras were set up towards the back.

[June Diane Raphael]

Her voice was thin. Her voice didn't carry.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That was her complaint. Her voice couldn't carry past the front row. It wasn't. She was a bad singer. She just had projection problems. So, like, that's a real. That's a real terrible way to write. Like, she's not bad. She's not bad. She just can't project. That's her problem. That's her fault.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

They are she. No, no. Guys, you are being way too generous. She was garbage.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait, now, are you talking about the.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Production a of Manhattan Memories?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The classic.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

If we all saw that, we would be like, shame on you for putting that on stage.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, but that's not her fault. I mean, the Broadway production consisted of like a set of risers and her in a white gown. Like, there was no production value.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She was also third.

[June Diane Raphael]

There was no stage picture.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She was third billed in that play. And she opened the show. I don't know. She was definitely the lead, but she was always third bill down. I don't know what Manhattan Memories is, but I would.

[June Diane Raphael]

But I guess what I'm saying, Jason, is I agree the production was horrible, but how are we to know that she was so bad in it?

[Elizabeth Banks]

That's gonna be like.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

We saw her sing and sort of dance. She. I just have to say, like, she was not. Oh, my God, you are. You are just too apologetic for. She could not. She wasn't doing it.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And when she got fired, she walks out and there is a crowd that's clapping. Why did she think for one second.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It was for her? Oh, that was. That was bizarre. She visited the theater. Midday. Midday. She visited and walked out and like.

[June Diane Raphael]

Cause I guess she's so used to that. Is she? No, I'm dead serious. I don't know the whole story and everything.

[Elizabeth Banks]

It wouldn't make sense, basically.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, Peter and Mary Jane have marital problems because Spider Man's more pop than Mary Jane.

[June Diane Raphael]

She's jealous of him and his fame.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then the first half of the movie, it's like the first episode of the Bachelor. We just keep on meeting bad guys, like, oh, here's another one. Here's another. Everyone's coming out of the limo. Uh oh, who is she? Who's Byron Are gonna fight. But I mean, they like, they deal with James Franco in this movie, think he's great, very talented actor. I don't know what the fuck is going on in this.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Like, he was Franco in it. Up, guys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's definitely Franco in it.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

He is. At one point in the movie, he. He dies. In the. Early in the movie, he and Spider man get in a fight. He dies, right? Literally dies. They bring him back to life and he is instantaneously horny. They're bringing him out, like they're bringing him home from the hospital where he was dead. And he's like, hey, man, do I got a girlfriend? He has amnesia. Hey, man, do I have a girlfriend? Man, I gotta get a girlfriend. Seems like I'm pretty rich. I could probably get some girls back here, right? Like, he is just straight up horny.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I do want to talk about the amnesia because the amnesia is very specific. It's like he doesn't. He lost his short term memory. So he forgets that Peter Parker killed his dad. But then he also doesn't remember where he lived. So that would mean that he, like, he clearly has lived in that apartment his whole life.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was a major brain injury. A major brain injury.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It was a very selective brain injury.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And then you can 100% recover if you touch a mirror is what we learned. He touched a mirror and then he hurt his father and then he remembered everything.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, man. This is the second time William Dafoe has popped up as a villain. He came back for this to shoot some extra scenes in the mirror. Oh, man. Let's talk about some cgi. The movie gets like the first and second movie. The CGI are pretty good. This one, it gets worse.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I mean, the Sandman.

[June Diane Raphael]

So bad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sandman, Best villain of all time.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Hey, guys, can I ask. Can I ask a question?

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I don't know who is running that lab facility, but why are they doing molecular tests in the middle of the night?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, you mean the hot model scientist lab facility where it's all hot women?

[June Diane Raphael]

By the way, did you notice that there were hot women, like in scenes where they had no business being. Well, did you notice that toward the very end? And Jason, I do want to hear this point, but toward the very end there's a scene where J.K. simmons is talking to that little girl photographer. And all the presses around, there's this like tons of press and tons of photographers and Then just a random hot blonde in a fur coat. Not a photographer, just there. Those hot women in the physics center. Like, it makes no sense at all that they're there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, I mean, but maybe it doesn't make any sense because, like, to Jason's point, they're doing molecular tests. Well, what do you think? What do you say, Jason? What time was that?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

It's the middle of the night, right? Because the guy, Thomas Hayden Church, has escaped from prison. He's climbed into his daughter's room, he's been thrown out of that room, he's run and been. Now time has passed. Now the police are. I'm saying it's like 2:00 in the morning and they're firing up those molecular. They're like, we're gonna start the test now in the middle of the night. And there's no cameras on the test facility, so they can't see what's going on inside.

[June Diane Raphael]

They assume it's a bird.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They assume it's a bird.

[Elizabeth Banks]

It's a bird and it's okay. And then when he's climbing into. Over the fence, there's a sign that says particle test facility. Why would it. Why is it so specific? Wouldn't it say keep out particle caution? Why so specific?

[June Diane Raphael]

It's really weird. I have a. I want to get back to the basics and ask what time period this is taking place in. Because up until he got into that particle test facility, it seemed like the Sandman's whole sequence of going home and to his house that was right by the railroad was in like 1947. And his outfit was like very, oh, brother, where art thou? It was so weird. He was in a different time zone.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that whole storyline, you're right. Like, even Theresa Russell who comes out for like one line. I remember I used to think Theresa Russell is a hot, like, sexy, like Kathleen Turner kind of lady. And then she's like just kind of like delegated to like one line. Just get out of here. She looks like she's like someone who woke her up. Like, hey, get up, get up quick. Come in. Come and shoot the scene really quickly. But yeah, I have a lot of issue with time in this movie. Mainly because while that's going on, Peter Parker has seen his girlfriend in a show. So you would imagine that show started at 8, probably ended at 10. Then they went out and hung out in the park for a bit and then he drove her home and then.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

He goes when they're in the park and he's like, created a spider web for them to lay in. And this is supposed to be like they are in love. They have like the chemistry of like two sacks of wet dog shit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And that's nice.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

No chemistry between them.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It looks like they don't want to even be together. Toby Maguire also looks like he's a little older than play to play spider. He isn't looking. The fun of it is out of it for him in this movie. But I had this issue with. So he goes and hangs out with her in the Spider Web. They're hanging out. He drops her off and then he goes visits his Aunt May and goes to tell her that he wants to marry Mary Jane. It must be like 2:30 in the morning there too. Like it's like super late to go make a visit to your grandma or.

[June Diane Raphael]

Your aunt suffers from insomnia.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She was ready to make some tea.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Well, she came over for one like two lines later on in the movie. Like, hey, are you okay? All right, later you'll be fine. Like what? He went on the subway for that so much.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So much of this movie. So.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

All right, there's a part when Thomas Haden Church turns into Sandman, right? And he's running away from whoever. There is a point where he's introduced where he turns and looks straight into the camera.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, I saw that. That's right.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Did anybody else notice this and notice how bizarre it was?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I did not notice it.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I didn't notice it.

[June Diane Raphael]

I noticed it and it made me feel really weird.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I was like, what is happening? Why did somebody allow him to do a straight to camera take?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, I think because he probably wasn't really on set that much. I guarantee that Thomas Hadnchurch is on this movie three days max. I mean like he's never like, he's always the Sandman. You see him running now.

[June Diane Raphael]

Let me ask you about the Sandman though. So he can only turn into Sandman when there happens to be sand around?

[Elizabeth Banks]

No, he can only be big. He can make himself bigger with some more sand.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And you know there's always those trucks full of sand running through New York City.

[June Diane Raphael]

Giant trucks of sand that say sand on them. Sand. But. No but.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Okay, so New York is the perfect place for you.

[June Diane Raphael]

New York is the perfect setting for him to run wild. Look, it's an island, you guys. Manhattan's an island. It works for me now. But he can be put out or he can be destroyed by water, right? Because he just turns into wet sand and all that flush.

[Elizabeth Banks]

He's not strong in that.

[Paul Scheer]

He.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And then he has to dry Out.

[June Diane Raphael]

But he's strong enough to hold that locket the whole movie.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yep.

[June Diane Raphael]

But then he can also be destroyed by fire at the end.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, he can be turned into, like, stone by fire.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah. You know how they make glass, June?

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, I'm sorry. Okay.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Sand and fire makes glass.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. I also had the learning curve was very quick for becoming a sandman. He literally was, you know, molecularly destroyed. And then he was like, oh, huh, I'm a sandman. Oh, my arm fell apart. Oh, now I got it. No, I'm not. Not only did I get it, I'm able to turn into literal flesh and create my T shirt and pants within a second. It was sort of like there was no. There was no crawling. It was sort of like, oh, I'm sand. Okay, I'm back. I'm back now. Sorry about that. Shake that off.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

It's almost like you would assume he would just be a man made of sand for the rest of the movie. But nope, he's now going to look exactly like he did before Thomas Haden Church, wearing a green striped sweat T shirt and jeans.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I love that. He really did commit to that shirt. He was like, I did like that.

[June Diane Raphael]

He was in that for one week.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He basically went home and was like, yeah, remember my stripy shirt? I like this shirt a lot here. I had to go get that stripy shirt.

[Elizabeth Banks]

But that is his outfit in the comic book.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

That is the Sandman's.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I'm sorry, source material.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

But source material, like that shirt is canon.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Explain to me though, like was a sandman well represented in this movie I.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Don'T know much about Nobody was well represented. I mean, the same learning curve goes for Brock. How did Brock know he gets a Venom suit? He knows all these things immediately. Immediately.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But the Venom suit on Brock just kind of makes him into an alien. The Venom suit on Peter is just sort of something he can take on and off.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Explain Brock's teeth. Why did his teeth go like that when he began?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Brock all of a sudden has, like, a monster mouth.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, in the.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Well, that's.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I mean, Venom. That's. Okay. Well, then they get into a whole different situation where Venom, the symbiote, when it's attached to Peter Parker, it makes him, you know, this kind of. In the comics, this dark, evil Spider man. And then where he says, give me a cookie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. You know, Peter Parker's really.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

When the symbiote detaches from him, it becomes Venom, which is like a classic Spider man villain, which is. It has huge teeth and a crazy tongue.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And for Brock to have that teeth when he's not. When it's taken off of his face and we just see Topher, it's weird for him to have those teeth.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Oh, that makes no sense.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I have.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

So it also makes no sense that Topher Grace is in this movie with that beautiful hair.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Topher Grace.

[June Diane Raphael]

Is that what Brock's hair is like in the sources of the movie?

[Elizabeth Banks]

He's a blonde guy. I guess.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I do want to talk about Topher Grace's amazing camera and eyesight, because there is twice in the movie, once when Brock is, like, running to a scene where, you know, a crane has gone loose at a model shoot and.

[Elizabeth Banks]

A model copier shoot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A model copier shoot. And Gwen Stacy is. And she says it later on in the movie, 62 stories in the air. 62 stories. And without a beat, he looks up and goes, oh, that's Gwen Stacy, by the way. What fucking eyes do you have?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

This is 62 story. This is his first scene. This is his introduction to the movie. It is minute 35. He realizes it's Gwen Stacy, and he's standing next to her father.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. By the way, I'm dating.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait a second. So Gwen Stacy. Cause I did just see the new Spider Man. So Gwen Stacy is a model now.

[Elizabeth Banks]

That was weird, that on every level.

[June Diane Raphael]

Is she not a model in the source material? I just want to say source material.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Do you remember, Jason, if she was a model?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I don't remember her being a model. No.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And I think this actress. What's her name again? Bryce. Howard is a gorgeous woman. Gorgeous, gorgeous woman. Not modelesque, though.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

No, she's not like a Jessica Chastain.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, Jessica Chastain.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I'm just kidding. They're identical to each other.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, she's got, like, more of a Rubenesque figure. She's got a gorgeous figure, sure.

[Elizabeth Banks]

So when she's talking about When.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I can't believe you just talked.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

I didn't. I.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

That's why they had to hide her behind that copier.

[Elizabeth Banks]

But when she. She goes up when Peter's about to ask Mary Jane to marry him, and she goes up and was like, oh, do you have that photo of me and Spider man kissing for my portfolio, by the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, she goes, do you have that picture of me and Spiderman kissing? Oh, he doesn't. But every newspaper in the city does because it was on it. We just passed the newsstand, by the way. Now, let's talk about that kiss scene. So they're giving Spider man the key to the city in this movie. And he, like, he swings down and does that move that he does in, like, I guess, Spider Man 1 or 2, where he hangs upside down. And the audience, for no reason goes, kiss him. Kiss him.

[June Diane Raphael]

Why?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So basically, like, yeah, like, the audience starts chanting for them to make out for no reason. And then Peter's like, yeah, make out with me. And they do. Which would show you that he was maybe already controlled by the symbiote at that point.

[Paul Scheer]

Or he just.

[Elizabeth Banks]

What?

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought.

[Elizabeth Banks]

No, that was pure ego.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Oh, it hasn't happened.

[Elizabeth Banks]

It hasn't happened yet.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Just a fucking scumbag.

[June Diane Raphael]

So the fame is getting to it.

[Elizabeth Banks]

The fame is getting.

[June Diane Raphael]

Understand. Yes. Okay. Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right. There's so much to talk to.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

She has, like, legitimately, I think I feel like. As well as a pantheon of villains, there's also kind of three love interests. There's mj, Gwen Stacy, and there's the weird Russian girl who lives across the whole world, Ursula.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Ursula.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm obsessed with Ursula. Ursula's baking nonstop in the movie.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

She's baking, by the way, kind of the cutest of the three.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I kind of agree with you. I googled her to see what she's been in and not much.

[June Diane Raphael]

She has, like, a very Ricky Lindholm, like, adorable, cute little face.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right, so when we last were talking, we're talking about Ursula, who is an interesting character and kind of is our lead in to this Spider man change.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah. Transformation.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This transformation. I am mind boggled. I am like.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I am.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like, no one. Everyone looked at this girl. We're shooting this. Okay, great. Yeah. No, I have no notes. How did this get past even the first draft? Because Peter becomes kind of like a 70s cool, like a Dean Martin.

[June Diane Raphael]

He becomes like Austin Power.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Down the street, like Austin Bauer. And I can't tell.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I enjoy this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, you didn't.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I enjoyed it. I hated it when I saw it in the theater. This go around. I enjoyed it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I enjoyed it ironically. Definitely ironically. I don't know.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I don't know if I did. Cause he's so dorky and he's trying to be cool, and I enjoyed it.

[June Diane Raphael]

I do agree with you, though, that it kind of plays on that level where it's like. It's weird. It's like he's got this sort of dopey face. And so he's doing it and it almost seems like a joke. Y. Yeah. I honestly thought it was like a comedy.

[Elizabeth Banks]

It is.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sequence.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Okay, so it is. He's not cool.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But. No, but that's the thing. Some women react to him like, ooh, who's this hot guy? And then other women like, who's that fucking nerd? So, like, I don't know what the reality is. Cause some women like Ursula, definitely. And then there's some women, like that one woman who looks up and up and down is like. Yeah, Like, I can't tell.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I don't know why he has this transformation. Right. It starts with the Justin Bieber bangs. It starts with, like, weird, weird bangs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would also say that bangs. When I saw it. And he switches his hair. I felt like he was making a Hitler hairstyle. Cause his hair is so short. He kind of pushes it down. I'm like, what is cool in there? Like, oh, I gotta get that cool Hitler look.

[Elizabeth Banks]

He looked like a mixture of Tom Cruise and K D Lang.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Who I would contend are the same person.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, my God. And so he. He starts talking in, like, this.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Was anybody else. I also was really puzzled by, like, he becomes kind of a dick. Then he's doing his dance. You know, he's doing his strutting down the street with his finger guns. He's giving everybody finger guns. Like, strut, strut, Finger guns. Finger guns. Then he goes into a store to buy a black suit. And the doors of the store have multiple signs that say clearance sale. Why is he in a super cheap suit right now? What's happening?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't understand. And also, that sequence is like, the movie is. I mean, it's not reality, but it's not hyper reality. That sequence is hyper reality. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

I did think he looked good in that black suit, though, when he came out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He looks fine. The issue was the finger guns. And then when he goes into, like, the club, I mean, that's.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I will contend that that's horrible.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm gonna play the clip of him just talking to the girl in the club because you just gotta hear the way he talks. Cool. Like D. Martin. Here we go.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, I hope we can get a table.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Find us some shade.

[June Diane Raphael]

Find us.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thanks, hot legs.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Thanks, hot leg, sir.

[June Diane Raphael]

I miss that in my viewing. Thanks, hot legs.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thanks, hot legs.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Oh, guys, I'm gonna use that to get into Comic Con parties.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Explicit money.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I do have a theory, though, that the alien symbiote came from, like, the 1990s, 1940s. The alien. The alien is kind of obvious. Like, oh, we did research. The Rat Pack is big. The alien is old. The alien, I mean, like, he's, like, in this world. And he can be a great dancer.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And amazing piano player.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Amazing.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, man.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Oh, my God. Yes. You can just play piano.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But yet he's still Jared. Like, he still wants to get back at Mary Jane. Like, he should just be fucking at this point. I mean, that's what they want him to do. But he's not. Like. He's still kind of, like, got that Peter energy.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, you know, we haven't talked about the omelette dance party.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Oh, gosh, guys, what was that? That was so uncomfortable.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So James Franco decides that now I guess he's gonna be. Or Mary Jane's like, well, you know Peter, he's too much Wrapped up in Spider Man. I'm gonna start hanging out with James Franco's character. And then they go and make omelets together and have an omelet dance party.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Chubby Checkers. The twist.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who the fuck is watching this? Who is making this movie? Like, the twist.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

The why is this movie is so bizarrely old timey?

[June Diane Raphael]

That's what I'm saying, you guys. I think that there were two scripts, and one was an old timey script and was a current script. And they could not decide. They just shoved it together. Seriously, because there's a lot of old timey stuff in here.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, you know what? There is one thing in there that just reminded me of old timey. Like when they're in the newspaper headquarters, that definitely looks old timey.

[June Diane Raphael]

So old timey. And J.K. simmons is playing it that way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. And J.K. simmons Is like the best part of this whole movie.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Him and Bruce Campbell.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Bruce Campbell, amazing too. But behind JK Simmons desk, they have giant framed covers of the newspapers, like the classic ones. But the one that they have up, that is the worst. It goes Doc Ock still at large. That was the one that they framed. It was like. I just thought that was just a dumb thing. It's not even a great picture. It's not that they broke a story. It was just sort of like, this thing is still happening. It was like, yeah, frame that one. Frame that.

[Elizabeth Banks]

One day, what was going on with his horrible Operation Game Table that Elizabeth Banks would keep buzzing cause he has high blood pressure. Right.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Wait, was that Elizabeth Banks or Parker Posey?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That was Elizabeth Banks.

[June Diane Raphael]

Banks, who was great. I thought she was hilarious.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She was great.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I kept thinking it was Parker Posey.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Oh, no, Banksy.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Oh, Banksy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Banksy.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Wait, it was the street artist Banksy?

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

In an Elizabeth Banks costume.

[Elizabeth Banks]

A Venom Elizabeth Banks costume.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Oh, wait, can we talk about this for a second? Remember when. I know I spoke about this a little bit earlier, when James Franco died in the movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Okay, so he's dead. He's like, literally dead. They bring him to the hospital, the doctor comes out and says he's gonna be okay or, no, no, he's gonna be okay. But he has amnesia. He doesn't remember anything. MJ shows up, she and Peter are like walking out, and MJ just goes, I think he's gonna be fine.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Elizabeth Banks]

So based on what?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

He was literally dead an hour ago. I think he's gonna be fine.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

He's definitely not gonna be fine, by the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't understand. Also, no one gets hurt in this movie as Peter Parker. I don't remember this from the comic. But Peter Parker, is he invulnerable to anything? Because they literally throw him up against the moving subway. Through buildings. No scratch.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

So much debris. They create so much falling debris from the sky that thousands of people on the ground in New York City must have died during these battles.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, at what point?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

At this point, hobgoblin and Spider man are having a fight. A giant chunk of a building falls off and just falls to the ground. And so many people must be dying. It's crazy.

[Elizabeth Banks]

And oddly, never Mary Jane because she is constantly falling. Oh, yeah, poor girl is constantly.

[June Diane Raphael]

A lot of women, like, dangling from 60 stories and above.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Also, when they do trap Mary Jane in a giant spider web of a taxi cab caught in a giant spider web. I love that the bad guys had to write on it. And I wrot this down, like, spider man, stop us if you can. You don't think he's gonna get the message that there's a giant spider web and his girlfriend's gonna. They have to like, also spell it out in the web. Like, we gotta make sure. We gotta make sure he knows.

[June Diane Raphael]

There was a lot of strange exposition in like the late second act with that reporter basically just narrating what was happening. Like, all hope is lost.

[Elizabeth Banks]

That English reporter. Yes, yes. With KTLA is Hal Fishman.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. Which makes sense. Cause in New York. And so basically, you know, for most of the. So the beginning of the movie, James Franco hates Spider man. Then he gets amnesia, then he likes him, then he remembers, then he hates him again. And then at the end he likes him again. And this is. This is one of my favorite parts of the movie because basically there's no way to bring these two characters together. It's like James Franco's like, you killed my father, Spider Man. I hate you. You're a terrible person. Fuck you. And you think, well, they're never gonna see eye to eye. Clearly Spider man didn't do it until this man came. Can we play that clip? If I may, sir, I've seen things.

[June Diane Raphael]

In this house I've never spoken of.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What are you trying to tell me? The night your father died, I cleaned his wound. The blade that pierced his body came from his glider. I know you're trying to defend your father's honor, but there's no question that.

[June Diane Raphael]

He died by his own hand.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I loved your father as I have loved you, Harry. All right, so basically this friends Love you. But basically he clears it all up. Thank God the butler came in and now finally told him this. Like, the butler knew this all along, right?

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, but I think the butler had that sort of like old timey reverence as a butler of like. I'm not gonna get into these conversations. I don't see any.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's a big conversation to avoid.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I feel like Alfred gets into it with that a lot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Get a little bit more involved. Get a little bit more involved when you're a person who plays the experience.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think that butler was living in like 1862, by the way. He has his own time period.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Maybe he's just an older actor. That butler was terrible. That was some of the worst acting I've ever seen.

[Elizabeth Banks]

If you get the Blu Ray in the DVD extras, he is part of the blooper reel.

[June Diane Raphael]

The Butler.

[Elizabeth Banks]

The butler is. And wherein he just is like. He's just an older man.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, dear God. Couldn't get the lines out.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah, he's just like. And the canon. The blade. The blade.

[June Diane Raphael]

How dare they put that on a blooper reel. It's like this is an older actor struggling.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He approved it. Also want to point out that in that scene when Spider man and James Franco fight, the hovercraft is kind of looks like it hooked up by isb. Like a USB cord to a computer. Just like levitating by a cord and it gets unleashed. I gotta charge my hoverboard.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

He might as well be riding a hoverboard from Back to the Future three, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, it really is. It looks just like that.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Yeah, it's the same exact thing, by the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, this is a brings up like. Yeah, Like, I think another thing is like, it's cool. People like snowboards, right?

[June Diane Raphael]

Those little fireballs came in handy a couple times.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Who is this, like, who is this movie for? You know, because, like, it's not really kidsy enough to be like a Spider man kids movie because then there's a weird. There's so many weird triangulating love stories happening that make no sense. There's like 20 minutes between every action sequence. This movie is a fucking disaster zone. It made me so angry that Spider man doesn't show up in costume for like 40 minutes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And when he does fight, he's fighting a lot out of costume.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. And it did have that feeling of just like Spider man aging a bit and just sort of dealing with some.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Some real life issues.

[June Diane Raphael]

Some real life issues.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This whole movie feels like it was put together by like tape and like glue. It's like. I mean, because like even to defeat, to defeat these villains, like, oh, Venom hates bells. Like a vibrate vibrations.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, is that what it is?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought he hate bells because. Oh, the church and like. Ding. Why does Venom hate. Why does it hate vibrations?

[Elizabeth Banks]

I mean, we're not real. Is that real?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, from the book. I just thought from the book maybe it would be in there.

[Paul Scheer]

There.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Imagine you're a child. You love Spider man, you go to Spider Man 3. And half of the movie is dedicated to Mary Jane's failed Broadway career.

[Elizabeth Banks]

You're right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If you were reading that as a.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Comic book, that's never part of the comic book. What do you. On what planet it's like with somebody. Like, you know what would be good here is if we fused a Spider man story with A Chorus Line.

[June Diane Raphael]

And by the way, though, that's such an unsympathetic storyline for her. Like we're supposed to care that she didn't survive on Broadway. Like, it's just a very kind of like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, looking at the reviews online, everyone's like, I hate Mary Jane. She's a bitch. Like, I mean, people really go after her. But I think it's because like she's like getting in Spider Man's way or dumb career. Like, people do not want to hear that.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Immediately kisses Harry, like for.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's tough. There's so many dumb things in this movie. So, I mean, gosh, but that is hardy.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Just even source material wise, MJ's not a great character.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, but she's like a second. I mean, she's like a second lead in this.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Yeah.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Gwen Stacy is a better character in the books.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. Why? Because she, it seems like from the Spider man we just saw, she's more sort of into chemistry and knowledge and all that stuff. Right?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

You got it, June. Chemistry and knowledge.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, no, but seriously, that's why I was upset that she was a model in this one. Yeah, I mean, like, Mary Jane's an actress. Like it seemed like she, Gwen Stacy had more to offer Spider Man.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Oh, yeah.

[Elizabeth Banks]

In the book she.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Don't get me started on Black Cat.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Oh, Black Cat. That's right. When did they bring Black Cat? It's because Catwoman was so bad, so they weren't gonna bring her up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh boy. Oh boy.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Well, nerds, Nerds.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Obviously we did not like this movie. Alright, so these are reviews called on Amazon. Normally we're able to find some very fun reviews. 5 star reviews. This time it Was a little harder because the staunch fans were really staunch fans. But these are some of my favorite 5 star reviews from Amazon. This is from Marcus Shelben. Don't know how. It's really confusing looking from St. Louis, Missouri. This is a lot different than the other two. When Peter gets a new black suit, he acts funny. But I enjoyed it. Five stars.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay. All right, fair enough. I also like the black suit on him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then this is from J. My favorite review of all time. In Spider Man 3, Spider man fights a sandman. Spider man gets the black suit and fights the sandman in the sewer. The sandman turns to mud. Peter fights Harry with the black suit. Harry throws a Goblin bomb at Peter. Peter dodges it and throws it back at Harry and his half of his face blows up. Harry and Spider man fight Venom and Sandman Harry defeats the Sandman. Harry saves Spider man and dies from blade from Venom. Spider man throws Goblin ball at the black suit.

[Paul Scheer]

The end.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A must see movie. 5 stars. One of my favorite favorite things now. Cool. We all saw the new Spider Man. Did you see the new Spider Man, Jason?

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I did not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. So co op and I were talking the other night and I said, well, I like this new Spider man way better than Spider Man 3. And cop's like, I don't agree with that. So now after rewatching it, I still.

[Elizabeth Banks]

Like Spider Man 3 over the amazing Spider Man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Fuck you. Fuck no way.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I give my review for Spider Man 3 would be. That would be like Spider Man 3. Two stars. Not great. But future, in the future, I will like it way more than the Amazing Spider Man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I disagree. I disagree.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow club.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I. Yeah, I think the actors in the Amazing Spider man are great. I think the story is so boring and long and there's so much, oh.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And this was it.

[Elizabeth Banks]

No, you're right.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

But again, I know this movie is nine hours long.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was really long, you guys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It was really long.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I feel like there was more things happening in this movie and I know that's also its detriment.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Because you said to me, you said to me, well, name one scene that you like from the Amazing Spider Man. Then I watch this and I go, I can't name a scene from this movie that I really liked. I would prefer to watch.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I like the. As crappy as this was and as you guys said, it's patchworked. I think the emotional story is way more interesting for me. And in the flashbacks when Uncle Ben dies In Spider Man 3, that was more meaningful to me in that horrible Spider Man 3 than the new movie. The new movie. I felt nothing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you agree with Coolop tweeted us. Tell us what you think. Tweet at Coolop, tweet at us. Find out. Would you guys recommend watching this movie? I think I would. Cause just for the bad. The Venom sequence alone, it's pretty good.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. For the dancing and the finger guns.

[Elizabeth Banks]

It's pretty to be a completionist, you guys, Come on, you gotta watch them all.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I would watch it. I would watch the first two first. I wouldn't watch it just to watch it. I would watch the first two and then watch this. Because in juxtaposition, you will truly appreciate what a bag of shit this is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, if you saw this as the first one, you'd be like, oh, this sucks. But to see the fall from grace, it's pretty amazing.

[June Diane Raphael]

See, I haven't seen the first two.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. What did you think in watching only the Amazing Spider man in this?

[June Diane Raphael]

I really, I really liked the Amazing Spider Man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then what did you think of this?

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought this was insane.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Did you like the chemistry between Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone more than tobey wire?

[June Diane Raphael]

100%.

[Elizabeth Banks]

I would agree with that.

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought their chemistry was like off the charts.

[Paul Scheer]

Well.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Cause they really are in love.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Well, they have real chemistry. Because guys, they're really in love.

[Paul Scheer]

They love each other.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right, so this is another episode of how this get made. Let's plug some stuff. I am Paul Shear on Twitter.

[June Diane Raphael]

Twitter missjunedian Oolap.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

Just not on Twitter, guys. Not on Twitter.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know Jason, someone recommended that you save the name Ottontwitter and so you should do that or someone should do that as you a big shout out now.

[Kulap Vilaysack]

I'm sure somebody will a big shout.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Out to Elizabeth Barry. She gave some big time money to have this get made. 100 bucks.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That is gonna go to something.

[Paul Scheer]

I don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But we keep it going here. We thank you so much. Dave. Steffi who pulls our clips every week. Cody who's doing all of our engineering. All the great people here. Caroline over at Earwolf, thank you so much for listening. We'll be back soon, I hope. All right, bye bye. Vitamin Water was born in New York.

[Elizabeth Banks]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Elizabeth Banks]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

When I have an 8 hour shift and triple X after I was out all night at a club. Call XXX drink vitamin water. It's from New York.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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