Trap LIVE (w/ Blakely Thornton)

Summary

How Did This Get Made? Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast Information:

• Title: How Did This Get Made?
• Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas
• Guest: Blakely Thornton
• Episode: Trap LIVE (w/ Blakely Thornton)
• Release Date: October 18, 2024

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Introduction to "Trap"

In this episode, the hosts and guest Blakely Thornton delve into M. Night Shyamalan's latest film, "Trap." The movie centers around a father and his teenage daughter who attend a pop concert, only to find themselves ensnared in a dark and sinister event orchestrated by a serial killer played by Josh Hartnett.

Plot Breakdown and Initial Impressions

Jason Mantzoukas kicks off the discussion by summarizing the film's premise:

“[02:20] Jason Mantzoukas: ...“IMDb describes the film as a father and his teen daughter attend a pop concert only to realize they've entered the center of a dark and sinister event. That's a bad log line for this movie... I love this movie.”

The hosts express their surprise and mixed feelings upon viewing the film:

“[05:12] June Diane Raphael: ...It was wild. This was genuinely, absolutely, chaotically insane watching this movie mere hours ago.”

Character Analysis

Josh Hartnett as Cooper Abbott

Cooper Abbott, portrayed by Josh Hartnett, is a seemingly devoted father who unravels into a serial killer. The hosts praise Hartnett's performance, highlighting his ability to convey both charm and menace:

“[10:33] Jason Mantzoukas: It only works because he is such a good actor. And there's something about his unraveling...”

They discuss Cooper's meticulous nature and how his hair and appearance reflect his descent:

“[11:15] June Diane Raphael: ...as he's coming unraveled, his hair starts to become must.”

Lady Raven

Lady Raven, the film's protagonist and profiler, portrayed by Alison Pill, is a complex character balancing her pop star persona with her role in capturing Cooper. The hosts critique her methods and credibility:

“[16:11] Jason Mantzoukas: This is actually a really interesting story because. Because the way they did it is...”

They question the plausibility of her infiltration and the execution of the trap:

“[25:21] Jason Mantzoukas: There is no twist.”

“[25:22] Alison Pill: Well, there's a little twist...”

Themes and Filmmaking Elements

Entrapment and Profiling

The central theme revolves around entrapment and the challenges of profiling a serial killer in a crowded venue. The hosts explore the film's portrayal of law enforcement efforts:

“[33:02] Blakely Thornton: He only blew one girl. He only maimed that girl.”

“[33:04] Alison Pill: Why does the FBI...”

Use of Setting and Realism

The concert setting is critiqued for its unrealistic elements, such as the absence of adequate security and surveillance:

“[12:40] Alison Pill: I just want to start at the beginning, Paul. The just the conceit of this concert, which is in broad daylight.”

“[14:22] Blakely Thornton: Well, the entire conceit was built on a real thing...”

Character Development and Dialogue

The hosts discuss the depth (or lack thereof) in character development and dialogue, particularly focusing on Cooper's motivations and Lady Raven's strategic approaches:

“[24:22] Jason Mantzoukas: But everyone is in pieces.”

“[25:15] Alison Pill: ...but she has the best line afterwards, which she says, I know.”

Guest Insights: Blakely Thornton

Blakely Thornton, dubbed a "pop culture anthropologist," brings a fresh perspective to the discussion. She emphasizes the film's reliance on external plot devices and critiques the logical consistency of the narrative:

“[10:01] Blakely Thornton: I saw it in the theater. I'm a Josh Hartnett apologist, though.”

“[17:20] Blakely Thornton: ...”

She questions the operational aspects of the FBI's strategy within the film, highlighting inconsistencies:

“[33:10] Alison Pill: So there's a line of ADR on Lady Raven's back...”
“[33:26] Blakely Thornton: 2000 were gay. 1000 were cops. One was a murderer.”

Audience and Critical Reception

The hosts reference audience reviews to gauge the film's reception, noting a mixed but leaning positive response:

“[72:10] Vic: ...Zero stars. So I don't hesitate. I make my escape.”

“[74:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I try to keep my work and family separate, but sometimes I can't.”

They highlight particularly positive reviews praising the acting and thematic elements:

“[74:57] June Diane Raphael: I loved it...”

Notable Quotes and Moments

Throughout the episode, several quotes stand out, capturing the hosts' sentiments and critiques:

• Jason Mantzoukas on Acting:

  “[10:33] Jason Mantzoukas: It only works because he is such a good actor.”

• June Diane Raphael on Story Depth:

  “[38:34] Blakely Thornton: She's a hero.”

• Alison Pill on Logical Consistency:

  “[43:48] Alison Pill: But I'm not trying to make his daughter.”

• Final Thoughts by Jason:

  “[56:57] Alison Pill: ...Joyful Recollections of Trauma.”

Conclusion and Recommendations

Despite its flaws, the hosts find value in the film's ambitious narrative and Hartnett's performance. They recommend "Trap" to listeners, acknowledging its place in M. Night Shyamalan's eclectic filmography:

“[79:32] Alison Pill: Absolutely.”

“[79:35] Jason Mantzoukas: I will say that this movie has retroactively made me understand M. Night Shyamalan.”

Final Takeaways

"Trap" serves as a chaotic yet intriguing addition to the collection of films that How Did This Get Made? explores. The episode provides an in-depth analysis of its narrative structure, character dynamics, and thematic undertones, all while maintaining the show's signature comedic flair.

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Notable Quotes:

1. Jason Mantzoukas [10:33]:

   “It only works because he is such a good actor. And there's something about his unraveling...”

2. June Diane Raphael [24:39]:

   “I fucking love jigsaw. I love jigsaw puzzles.”

3. Alison Pill [43:48]:

   “But I'm not trying to make his daughter.”

4. Blakely Thornton [38:34]:

   “She's a hero.”

5. Jason Mantzoukas [79:35]:

   “I will say that this movie has retroactively made me understand M. Night Shyamalan.”

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This episode of "How Did This Get Made?" offers a comprehensive and entertaining critique of "Trap," blending insightful analysis with humor, ensuring that both fans and newcomers find the discussion engaging and informative.

Transcript

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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Head to hdtgm.com for details. We all know that Lady Raven shows slap, but Riley's dad is acting all extra fried. But why? Maybe it's because he's got the urge. We saw Trap so you know what that means.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hello people of Earth. Hello people of Los Angeles. We are live at Largo to talk about M. Night Shyamalan's latest film, Trap. If you don't know about Trap, well, let me tell you a little bit about it. IMDb describes the film as a father and his teen daughter attend a pop concert only to realize they've entered the center of a dark and sinister event. That's a bad log line for this movie. What really happens in this movie is Josh Hartnett is a serial killer. Elaborate plot has been set up to capture him at a Taylor Swift like concert. And you would think, oh well, that's the movie. No, they're only at that concert for 45 minutes. And the movie is an hour and 45 minutes. A lot more movie. But first, I must admit something. I love this movie. For those of you at home, I am wearing my own trap shirt. Found it on Etsy. It's red, has some stills, multiple stills of the movie on it. It says 30,000 fans, 300 cops, one serial killer. No escape. Now that's a fucking log line. Ladies and gentlemen, get ready to meet my two co hosts. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Manzoukas.

[June Diane Raphael]

What's up, jerks? Here we go, here we go. It's a trap. What? How did they not have Admiral Ackbar in this movie? How do we live like this? Come on. It's a trap. This was wild. This was genuinely, absolutely, chaotically insane watching this movie mere hours ago. Also, I do think I should tell the people at home that the Etsy T shirt is clearly giving Paul a rash.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will be fully broken out by the end of this show.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like it is. It appears to be like smoldering.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will tell you, it was worth.

[June Diane Raphael]

The $8 and the carcinogenic application that's on it. This was absolutely nuts. And right as it was ending, I found out there was an hour more of the movie right at the end. And then I was like, now hang on. How can there be an hour left of the movie? They're leaving this stadium.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's dot, dot, dot.

[June Diane Raphael]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The stadium is just the appetizer.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh yeah. In the second half of the movie where Lady Raven is The star is the hero of the movie and a detective. What are we doing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Lady Raven. Lady Raven goes full Columbo. Oh, wait.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh. Ladies and gentlemen, Diane Rayfield.

[June Diane Raphael]

Let's go.

[Alison Pill]

Too much was being discussed. Too much was happening.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Give it up for June.

[Alison Pill]

I had to get out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How. How are you, June?

[Alison Pill]

I'm well. How are you, Paul?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm good, thank you.

[Alison Pill]

I couldn't.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm sorry, June. I'm sorry.

[Alison Pill]

I just couldn't listen to another word. And I. I won't. I won't accept any disrespect toward Lady Raven. I won't hear of it and I won't have it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Have I gone on Spotify to listen to the album?

[June Diane Raphael]

Absolutely not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Good.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know why this movie is two hours long? Because 45 minutes are a live Lady Raven concert.

[Alison Pill]

And. And I have to say, if we're gonna start on, there's so much to discuss.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We have a guest and I want.

[Alison Pill]

And let's bring our guest out, because what I want immediately, because what I want to talk about is the Lady Raven beat and the cadence of every Lady Raven song, which is. It's all very slow jams, you know, it doesn't warrant a stadium of that size. I have a lot to say.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just want to say.

[June Diane Raphael]

Or for that. That age group, either.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Before. Before we bring out our guests, I just want to say one thing. I had the absolute pleasure of watching this movie with June in the theater. And June did not know the premise of the film.

[Alison Pill]

Of course I didn't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And as it started to unravel, she looked at me and said, what the fuck is going on? And it was one of the most fulfilling moments in my life to know that she had no. When Josh Hartnett pulls out his phone in the bathroom stall, it was like, wait a second. I don't know what movie she thought.

[June Diane Raphael]

We were seeing, but wouldn't that be amazing? What an incredible way to experience the movie. I wish I had no idea you.

[Alison Pill]

Knew he was a ser. You knew as a serial killer at a big concert.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, it's in the tagline of the movie.

[Alison Pill]

What I knew is we were going to the Americana. We were going to have dinner at Frida at 5:00pm and then go see a 7:00 movie. And that sounded great. And by the way, I had a fucking great time at this movie. I loved it. And I want to say something, because now I've seen it on the big screen, I've seen it on the smaller screen. I'm going to say this this movie deserves to be seen on the big screen. Absolutely does.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, I feel like we couldn't talk about this movie effectively without our guest tonight. This is a first time guest that we've had on the show. This is somebody that, if you're on Instagram, you might have seen him on TikTok. He is what I like to call a pop culture anthropologist. If you will please welcome Blakely Thornton Woo. Welcome to the show. Hello. I am so excited to have you here to talk about Trap. Did you see. You saw it in the theater?

[Blakely Thornton]

I saw it in the theater. I'm a Josh Hartnett apologist, though.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Blakely Thornton]

So, like, he's had me since. Hello. Since Pearl Harbor. Since the red carpet of Oppenheimer.

[Alison Pill]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought he was absolutely fantastic.

[Alison Pill]

Fantastic.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then in. In the third act, Allison Peele shows up and just dunks for like an hour. She just is like, watch this. Bam, bam, bam, bam. And then everything just goes into another gear. And they're both just, I think, incredible this movie is.

[Alison Pill]

I totally agree.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It only works because he is such a good actor. And there's something about his unraveling, which also coordinates with his hair because his hair comes down. Like the more teenage version of like the Josh Hartnett that I feel like I first saw. Like, so when he gets real frazzled, that what? I don't know, that part just kind of.

[Alison Pill]

You know what it is, Paul, Because I spent a lot of time with his part and because I think what was happening is that they were initially going for like a dad part. Like, I think they were going for a dad hair and trying to not make him look like we all know he looks. He looks fucking great.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, I think they were also doing a. Like, he's fastidious and ocd and as he's coming unraveled, his hair starts to become must. And.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, anyone who's that fastidious wouldn't have that kind of a wimpy mustache. I feel like. Paul, be shameful.

[Alison Pill]

First of all, be careful.

[June Diane Raphael]

Cooper. Cooper's gonna be pissed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I am all on board. I love Josh. I just felt like that. What are we doing with that mustache? Is that a choice?

[June Diane Raphael]

So you're calling him out? You're saying he can't grow a mustache?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Ooh, I'm saying he's showing me that he can't grow a mustache. Like, grow the mustache. I mean, I think actually though, he's a great dad. And he is.

[Blakely Thornton]

Is he though?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Look, he's just trying to balance that work life balance. Right.

[Blakely Thornton]

He's Trying to be a modern man. He's trying to be a modern man.

[June Diane Raphael]

He is constantly abandoning his daughter, like all modern man. Well, yes, the movie wants you to think he's a good dad, especially in the beginning. But he's constantly like, I gotta go, I gotta go, I'll be right back. All he had to do to make all of those make sense is I have diarrhea. I have diarrhea. And guess what? Everybody's gonna be like, take all the time you need. I understand completely. I'm having diarrhea again.

[Alison Pill]

It's so interesting. I also thought the actress who played his daughter was phenomenal.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love her.

[Alison Pill]

And the acting in this movie is this like so good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But yeah.

[Alison Pill]

I just want to start at the beginning, Paul. The just the conceit of this concert, which is in broad daylight.

[June Diane Raphael]

Show with.

[Blakely Thornton]

Several cameras in the stadium.

[June Diane Raphael]

The concert also has numerous intermissions where they stop down completely so everybody can go out and do concessions and T shirts. And then when the show is completely over and they all exit, it's 4pm.

[Alison Pill]

So there's a line of ADR on Lady Raven's back as she's walking into the stadium from her trailer. And it's, it's, it's Riley's line and she says something like, I'm so glad they added this afternoon concert after the rest of them were sold out. It was such a, like, it's a crazy line.

[Blakely Thornton]

Was Riley in on it?

[Alison Pill]

This.

[Blakely Thornton]

I'm so glad, dad, we invited this extra show.

[June Diane Raphael]

Honestly, I mean, this is. I didn't even need it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Independent filmmaking at its finest. I mean, M Night financed this movie. This is his thing. He's like, yeah, we're not going to do night shoots. That's life. We're going in. We're going in at noon. Like, like.

[Alison Pill]

But I truly spent so much of the movie trying to understand like the stadium and arena schedule. Like, why did it happen?

[June Diane Raphael]

There's so many unions at play.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, she had like. So she like, let's say this, she did three sold out nights in Philly.

[Alison Pill]

Okay, great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But then they're like, oh, unfortunately 76ers are playing a night. We can't move that. Will you do like a noon show? Yeah, I guess. I've never.

[June Diane Raphael]

And we can't pay for any of your personal security. All right, get rid of them.

[Blakely Thornton]

Well, the entire conceit was built on a real thing, a real police trap, if you will, where they brought like, I guess drug dealers in and told them they won super bowl tickets and Then arrested them at a stadium.

[Alison Pill]

Is this true?

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes, yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is actually a really interesting story because. Because the way they did it is.

[Alison Pill]

I had no idea. Well, by the way, when I was searching for the movie today, Paul watched me try to find it on Apple. And I was like, T R A. What's the name of this movie? M Tram.

[June Diane Raphael]

Tram. What was it called?

[Alison Pill]

Paul Goes Tramp.

[June Diane Raphael]

How much of the movie tram did you watch?

[Alison Pill]

Completely forgot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So what they did was they brought in. They brought in 112 men and they said, hey, you won super bowl tickets, right? And then they had brought in, like, these fake cheerleaders. And the cheerleaders were cops who then, like, felt up the guys to make sure they didn't have weapons on them, right? And then somebody else came around, like, here's a balloon. And each balloon was color coordinated to what crime they had done. Exactly.

[Blakely Thornton]

The 80s were fucking wild, insane.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then they arrested everybody.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now, someone did feel me up in the back.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I will say that the best, most like, fuck you part of it was the letter that informed them that they had super bowl tickets was signed by Michael Detna, which is wanted spelled backwards.

[Blakely Thornton]

What a dick move.

[June Diane Raphael]

I love it.

[Alison Pill]

The cops have too much time on their hands.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And they also were redirected to another guy named Marcus Cran, which was narc spelled backwards. And I thought the law was the music. They were pumping in while these guys were getting all these, like. They really were like, ah. Like they pulled off the prank of the century.

[June Diane Raphael]

Because it wasn't just cops. They were all dads and uncles too.

[Blakely Thornton]

You could say it was entrapment.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, So, I mean, this. This NFL sting is the. Is the real impetus for this movie. I mean, although there are. I mean, they say 300 cops. There are more than 300 cops. It's like every cop in Philadelphia is there. Crime is rampant in Philadelphia.

[Blakely Thornton]

Rampant. I went to Penn. Rampant.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was so interesting because they go to such great lengths to, like, play it out, to let you linger in it for a while until it's like, okay, he's the. He's this big. The Butcher or whatever. He's this big bad. And then to establish this profiler, right, to establish these two characters that are clearly in some sort of cat and mouse, but have them never speak and never. You never gain any access to the whys or the interiority of what Hartnett is up to at all. You are just watching him try and get out of a concert that genuinely. I also would like to leave. So I'm rooting for him. I'm rooting for him to kill his way out of this nightmare.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

HDTGM Here is what I'm going to say. My bold declaration about this movie is it is a comedy and the only reason why that profiler is there and why it's Haley Mills is because this is a parent trap.

[Blakely Thornton]

Wait, is it actually Hayley Mills?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hayley Mills. I feel like that was an idea that someone said. I go, who do we get? Haley Mills. Like, it's such a bizarre choice.

[Alison Pill]

That's interesting.

[June Diane Raphael]

I love that.

[Alison Pill]

Yeah. But I don't learn much about her.

[June Diane Raphael]

I would love for them to have had a conversation. I would love for them to have had more of a.

[Alison Pill]

And also, it's seems it would troubles me that she is both the profiler of serial killers, but also, like in charge of executing such a large scale operation.

[June Diane Raphael]

She's not just a profiler. She's also, I believe, leading the SWAT team.

[Alison Pill]

Like those should be two very different jobs.

[Blakely Thornton]

Also, she fails miserably.

[June Diane Raphael]

Miserable. Repeatedly.

[Blakely Thornton]

He kills several people in the stadium.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Blakely Thornton]

Gets out of the stadium.

[June Diane Raphael]

We never go really to them. We never get any. We never get like there's nobody who chews her out. And it's like, okay, we're taking over this jurisdiction. You know, we never get any. We never get any. Exposition.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, we get exposition, but it's confusing. At one point when he steals the police headset, they go, okay, we have some identifying factors.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah, he is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We're looking for a man of various builds, red haired, blackmails a 60 year old or a 30 year old with a tattoo of a bunny on his wrist. That's first of all very specific. If they got the wrist tattoo.

[June Diane Raphael]

Also, we have no. We never understand why they've even come to that list. We don't get it.

[Alison Pill]

I love that. Well, what I had to make up in my mind because the movie didn't offer me this. But later on, when we see footage of the abduction, Spencer we.

[June Diane Raphael]

Which is basically a Silence of the Lamb.

[Blakely Thornton]

Who is Spencer?

[Alison Pill]

Spencer's the man who's trapped.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Alison Pill]

In another way.

[June Diane Raphael]

On the phone.

[Alison Pill]

Yes, that's Spencer. But when we see. We see Josh Hartman's hand come out of the van and pull him in. And I thought, oh, that must be how they saw that. Yeah, yeah, but wait.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But it's black and white security camera footage from like at least 50ft high. And the van is about 20ft away.

[June Diane Raphael]

And they're like, oh, more. They just had to do enhance four times.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, but they.

[June Diane Raphael]

They just did four times. Or they did. Zoom in, zoom in, zoom in, enhance, enhance, zoom in, enhance.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's such a funny idea to be like, we need. We need authorization to get all these cops because we know that this guy's gonna be at the Concert. All right, what does he look like? Well, yeah, he could be a black guy, could be old guy, could be a 30 year old guy, could have red hair, could have a scar on his jaw. We don't know. Could be short, could be stocky, could be lean, could be.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know what? They don't say? They know he bought two tickets, but they don't say he'll be with someone.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why doesn't the ticket have information on it?

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, why are they waiting? Why are they waiting?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's how tickets are made, right? How about this?

[June Diane Raphael]

How about this? Why are they waiting until after the concert to. I guess they want everybody inside. I'm like, they could have gotten him coming in.

[Blakely Thornton]

Why was there a paper ticket? It's 20, 24.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, why wasn't there any cameras anywhere? I know that we saw a couple of cameras anyway, but this guy pushes a girl down the stairs.

[Blakely Thornton]

He blew up.

[June Diane Raphael]

You're telling me there's not a motherfucking camera on that?

[Blakely Thornton]

He blew a girl up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He blew a girl up. Blew up.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah.

[Blakely Thornton]

A whole fry container. And scarred a woman.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And they don't even show how he did that. He walked. I guess he stealthily dressed just as himself, walked into like a frying station, threw all those bottles in and then was back. Like, it makes sense.

[June Diane Raphael]

But there's a version of this movie where we are. They're all bad guys and we want him to escape.

[Alison Pill]

I wanted to think we all.

[June Diane Raphael]

We're all rooting for him in this insidious way. And then every time he would go to Spencer in the basement, I'd be.

[Blakely Thornton]

Like, fucking kill this Spencer.

[June Diane Raphael]

Come get rid of Spencer. Spencer's holding us back.

[Blakely Thornton]

We know nothing about.

[Alison Pill]

There are some choices this movie makes though, that are so baffling, but also I really appreciate it. Like, I was like, oh, interesting that Spencer's not a woman. Interesting. You know, most serial killers kill women. And like this is there. There were choices the movie made and M. Night made that I tip my hat to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, you wanna. Do you wanna call his re. I mean, his reason. I wrote it down. Oh, no, the reason why he gets the urge is when he sees people who think they're whole.

[Alison Pill]

They're whole. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But everyone is in pieces.

[June Diane Raphael]

I fucking love jigsaw. I love jigsaw puzzles.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm just like, if you're coming up with your serial killer thing, it's like, huh?

[Blakely Thornton]

It's like Kate Bush lyrics.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's like, because they think they're whole, but I want them to know that they're not whole. But I'm just getting that from just a glance.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, there is. He has no, like, philosophy. He has no. He does not have a point of view, especially to the degree that they're telling us how prolific he is. They should have found him years ago. He's too basic.

[Alison Pill]

Well, I have so many questions. I mean, I don't want to spoil the M Night twist, but.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There is no twist.

[Alison Pill]

Well, there's a little bit of a twist. There is a little bit of a twist. I mean, Alison Pill does know. She is the one who ultimately has set this trap or tram for him. And it's a tram. Once I went back with that information, I was like, wait, so this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But if she set the trap, then wouldn't they know exactly what he looks like?

[Blakely Thornton]

No, she called anonymously. She broke a ticket in an abandoned house and left it. There's fucking logical.

[June Diane Raphael]

But also, I think my husband's a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Serial killer, but I don't want to really rat him out.

[June Diane Raphael]

Here's what I'm going to say, but here's what I'm going to say. If Spencer had died, that's on Allison Pill's head, because she knew it was him. She could have turned him in, but instead she left. She breadcrumbed the police.

[Blakely Thornton]

I love that.

[June Diane Raphael]

To be like, figure it out. She's a fucking psycho.

[Blakely Thornton]

I love her.

[Alison Pill]

She is truly a psychopath.

[Blakely Thornton]

She poisoned that pie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah. One slice of it.

[Blakely Thornton]

Although people ate that pie. Are they past?

[June Diane Raphael]

Are they okay?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I wanted the twist to be.

[June Diane Raphael]

She knew he was coming.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I want it to be like, of course. Them twist like that. She is like, you go kill somebody.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's like, I'll do.

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought that, too. And I wanted it so bad that they were. They were a team.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It would have been amazing, right? And he's like, oh, this guy. He's like, I'm just trying to do it for my wife. I'm just trying to do it for my wife.

[June Diane Raphael]

He was like, I'm so sorry Spencer got away. Well, I know you wanted to eat him, but she.

[Blakely Thornton]

Spencer was the piece, by the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They got Spencer out quick. Yeah. Like, from that Instagram Live to him being released is like 30 seconds. Some girls, like, there's a statue on my block. She was like, talk to your uncle.

[June Diane Raphael]

I would.

[Blakely Thornton]

A statue.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean, I was out of my mind. That Lady Raven livestreams a rescue of an abducted man who's moments away from running out of oxygen and is like, what up, fam? Listen, if Anybody lives near. Like, this was nuts.

[Alison Pill]

I loved it. I love that whole sequence when he's banging on the door and Riley's screaming like, dad, what are you doing?

[June Diane Raphael]

I loved it, dad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My favorite part of that, I want to play it just because it's so good, is just reading the comments on the live. I'm like, whoever.

[Alison Pill]

I thought they were very realistic.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They did it so good. Because there's like one thing where somebody just goes. Somebody goes, there's a statue on my block.

[Blakely Thornton]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then somebody's like, she looks like she needs help. Like, she doesn't always look like it. She also is telling you explicitly, I need help. But look at just, you know, just look at the comments. The comments are amazing. Here we go. Hey, guys, I need help here.

[Alison Pill]

I need it right now.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hello.

[Blakely Thornton]

Hello.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's Lady Raven. Oh, my God. She's live.

[June Diane Raphael]

Fly, fly.

[Blakely Thornton]

This is not a joke.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We only have seconds.

[Alison Pill]

I know you can.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You slayed today. Does anyone in Philadelphia or nearby New Jersey live near a statue of a broken lion? It must be an entrance. This seems serious.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was at the show. I love the innocuous ones.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I live near a lion statue. She looks scared. Guys, I know a lion statue on.

[June Diane Raphael]

A street nearby where there is a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Blue door on a house somewhere in your neighborhood. Broken lion, blue door. Oh, my God. I wish I could help. Prayer hands. I live next to a park. But no.

[June Diane Raphael]

How is this. This is so much of the movie.

[Blakely Thornton]

This is like the Kitty G of Anise murder. You're just talking about just being stabbed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No one else. And go there right now.

[Blakely Thornton]

Social media version of.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm telling my uncle.

[Vic]

Go now.

[June Diane Raphael]

Go now.

[Maggie]

Hurry.

[June Diane Raphael]

I feel like if you put different music on it, this would be an ad for the phone.

[Blakely Thornton]

Hey, guys.

[June Diane Raphael]

Saving lives with Verizon. One life at a time. Samsung.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

An interesting fun fact about this movie is it's one of the only films to use an iPhone for a killer because Apple does not let you use their, like, bad guys to use their phone. But M Night is like, I independently finances. I'm fucking using ice phone.

[Alison Pill]

Interesting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But it is like. I mean, there's so much. There's so much to talk about. I do want to get into the opening band. Papa's Boots. Hey, we're Papa's Boots.

[June Diane Raphael]

They're wearing translucent rain slickers and no shirts. They must be so sweaty. The condensation that's building up under those rubber rain slickers. And they have. I was blown out by that. That looked miserable. Yeah.

[Alison Pill]

There were so many different, like characters in Lady Raven's entourage, you know, there was Mr. Thinker.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Alison Pill]

And he was his own. He was amazing, actually. I thought his performance was crazy.

[June Diane Raphael]

I believe his name was Dr. Thinker.

[Alison Pill]

Oh, was it?

[June Diane Raphael]

She called him at one point Mr. Dr. Thinker. Am I. Am I wrong or is it something like that? Mr. Thinker is what she said.

[Alison Pill]

And then there was the other guy who comes up out of the floor.

[Blakely Thornton]

Oh, yeah, like the J B Olivenesque person.

[Alison Pill]

Yeah, exactly.

[June Diane Raphael]

And he's wearing the translucent.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I mean, you guys know that that's Kid Cudi. The thinker is Kid Cudi.

[Blakely Thornton]

Oh, with the weave. With the bust down thoughtsiana weave. And the attitude.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Great. I mean, where he's talking about, like, if they don't give me lactate milk, I'm gonna shit my pants. Like, I did not realize that that would be the fucking comedy. And he's like, I need the peach kombucha.

[Alison Pill]

Okay. He was amazing. This role was perfect.

[Blakely Thornton]

He paid an Oscar for that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Honestly, Jason, you talked about this earlier about, like all these breaks. Everyone, like, I not to brag. I've seen Taylor Swift, I saw Madonna. No one's ever in the fucking hallways. Yeah. Ever. Everyone is watching the show because they've paid so much money. They're like, for this two hours, I'm going to sit in my seat. But they always are saying, like, while she's doing the set change.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah, there's no changes. That doesn't exist. That's what I'm saying. They don't stop down.

[Alison Pill]

I was very troubled by the medical team.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, my God. Who were happy to have a serial killer helping.

[Alison Pill]

Okay, so that nurse who's back there and so many young women are fainting, look very nauseous. And I know they were trying to like, tell us that they were overheated or dehydrated. It looked like they had all just gotten some sort of terrible virus and were, you know, a pandemic was breaking out. Like the way they played, that was.

[June Diane Raphael]

So odd to me. So this was a super spreader event.

[Blakely Thornton]

Possibly, most likely.

[Alison Pill]

So they take them back to this medical area. And the nurse. So Josh Hartnett immediately starts opening drawers, taking out different medical supplies. And the nurse is like, please let him. Please, we need him. We gotta keep him back here.

[June Diane Raphael]

Can we keep him?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She says, what? But at the end of the thing, doesn't he just get like an ice pack for her and tell her to drink some orange juice?

[Alison Pill]

It's like, he does, but he also has this Guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's a good nurse.

[Alison Pill]

He is hands.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He is a firefighter.

[Blakely Thornton]

He's a firefighter. So he kind of has that like an O'Brawny Tal man image.

[Alison Pill]

But I'd love him to present his credentials or anything. It felt crazy that he was.

[Blakely Thornton]

He's a tall, attractive white man in America. That is his credential, I guess. So this movie is over from Jump. If he's not a tall, attractive white man, they're like, what? He pushed her down. Arrest him, put him in jail, shoot him dead.

[June Diane Raphael]

You would think they would shoot him, but they only tased him 900 times after. We cannot shoot him. He's white.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's only killed 12 people brutally today. A handful of people today.

[Blakely Thornton]

He only blew one girl. He only maimed that girl.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay? Yes. And that girl was asking for it because she was too drunk at that concert. That's why she was out there. Now, why?

[Alison Pill]

Here's my question. Well, first of all, why does the FBI or whoever they are, why do they include the vendors of the concert in such a high level operation?

[June Diane Raphael]

Why?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Think of it like this.

[Alison Pill]

Why are all the vendors in on this?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's a stadium that's holding 30,000 people. There are hundreds of workers. Hundreds. They're like, all right, we have a very secret plan. Let's get a hundred people, a couple hundred people in the room and tell them everything.

[Alison Pill]

Yes.

[Blakely Thornton]

Let's get Ron Ron from West Philly and be like, yo, guess what? We got a plan. Tell nobody.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know, that there are. You know that this has been all over, like the radio where people are like, actually, it's a trap. There's that.

[Blakely Thornton]

There's a.

[June Diane Raphael]

Everybody's talking about the Trap concert.

[Blakely Thornton]

Fuck a trap. It's on black Twitter. Immediately. Of course, immediately. It's being live streamed.

[Alison Pill]

Everybody knows.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right, I will say the best post credit scene of all time is incredible. Do you remember this? The post credit scene where Jamie, he's the vendor that clearly they were like, who's a fan?

[June Diane Raphael]

Who's a fan of the Butcher?

[Blakely Thornton]

The fan.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Blakely Thornton]

He had.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, my God.

[Blakely Thornton]

He had videos of his work.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, video. He showed him videos of his own work.

[Alison Pill]

And I really want to talk about that because Jamie left me so unsettled on his phone. He is walking around with videos of a body chopped.

[June Diane Raphael]

Chopped up pieces.

[Blakely Thornton]

I've seen worse. He's a man.

[Alison Pill]

I again, the less I know about men, the better. Always, Always as a gay man.

[Blakely Thornton]

I say that constantly.

[Alison Pill]

I was like, this is so distressing.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's a Trap.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All I'll say is this like, this is where I feel like the movie does know on some level it is a full comedy because like let's get Jamie in here at the end and just have him do the final moment of the. This is the final moment of the movie. News tonight out of Malvern, Pennsylvania.

[Blakely Thornton]

After a seven year long manhunt, the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Identity of the butcher has finally been revealed. Cooper Abbott, a local fireman and family man has been arrested. Plays so great local event.

[Alison Pill]

Oh, I helped him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I helped him.

[Blakely Thornton]

I ain't talking to nobody at work no more.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I ain't talking to nobody. Nobody. Khadita.

[Alison Pill]

And I felt so much. Cause here's my question about this wonderful actor is like I've been. I feel like I've been in this position before where you start at a level where you're like, this feels real and this feels grounded. Being truthful right now. And then you're told to do it more and it's gotta be upped and then you land at this and there's no taking it back.

[June Diane Raphael]

Especially. It's especially difficult when you're in a scene alone because you cannot measure against the other person or other people to calibrate. So you are just exposed.

[Alison Pill]

Yes, I felt for him. It's also interesting to me that the news is on and says they're gonna cut to a photo and then there's just no sound. So the news I guess just went silent for. Stayed on that picture.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But he also is like, it's so fun as an actor. I say the same thing as I guess he's in the scene by himself. They put a camera on. Like, we'll just tape this, you know, M will just kind of. Or night, the big night. Will just kind of walk you through it. And you see him like he's dusting off his shirt, you know, and he's looking like, oh, they caught the guy. I'm excited. Like, you see him like pop up like, okay, who is it gonna be? And it's like he's going through so much in that scene. It is.

[Alison Pill]

Yes, he is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's what I'm using as my monologue now. When I go into audition for things, I just play a clip of a nuke scout. Oh, oh, oh.

[June Diane Raphael]

The other actor that I want to shout out is in when Josh Hartnett and his daughter have been invited backstage. Oh, I love her. And she's gonna go and you know, dance with lady Raven and all this kind of stuff. There is a character where lady Raven is backstage and a woman Runs up the stairs and falls. Wipes out falls entirely. That is not part of the scene. They just kept this as the take.

[Alison Pill]

Okay.

[June Diane Raphael]

Because the falling woman had no bearing on the scene's content.

[Alison Pill]

I think it did. I think it did.

[June Diane Raphael]

How?

[Alison Pill]

I'll tell you.

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought of this for an hour.

[Alison Pill]

I did it, too. I thought about it when I.

[June Diane Raphael]

Why did that woman fall?

[Alison Pill]

I know what was. Tell you why. I thought about it when I saw it on the big screen. I thought about it when I saw it on the little screen.

[June Diane Raphael]

What do you think?

[Alison Pill]

What I think is that we saw in that moment. It was subtle work, but you saw Lady Raven.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, no. First of all, no. Oh. On Lady Raven.

[Alison Pill]

On Lady Raven's part, she had either just had her inhaler or was about to. And I want to.

[June Diane Raphael]

Never comes back.

[Alison Pill]

Never comes back.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But she also doesn't pass the inhale. Never comes back to anyone. And she's wearing a very sleepy outfit. I don't know where she's putting that inhaler for the final song.

[June Diane Raphael]

No. That I believe the woman who falls is bringing the inhaler.

[Alison Pill]

Yeah. But what we learn from that fall and why it's so important is because you see Lady Raven, who's about to perform for thousands and thousands, turn around and. And show us that she.

[June Diane Raphael]

That she's compassionate.

[Blakely Thornton]

She's a hero.

[Alison Pill]

Yeah. Even in such an intense moment of going on stage and needing a sip of water and making herself okay. She is. She still knows what's important in life.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay.

[Alison Pill]

And that's.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'll go on.

[Alison Pill]

Not necessarily bending down and helping her up. No. I was like, no, no, no. But just looking and seeing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will say.

[June Diane Raphael]

Just acknowledging.

[Blakely Thornton]

Acknowledging.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sharing knowledge she exists.

[Blakely Thornton]

Hey, bitch.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will say this.

[June Diane Raphael]

I see that you exist. You are an NPC in my life. I am Lady Raven.

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[June Diane Raphael]

I was going to say genuinely one of my because I know we're really were really going in hard on Lady Raven. And one of my favorite Lady Raven moments was when she went I could play a song and pointed at the piano and the camera went womp. I was like is this an SNL sketch? What is like is please don't destroy gonna walk out like what is happening right now?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I am. I am a fan of. I'm a fan of Celica because because she's doing the mental chess. Like, that's what's going on, right? Because the two of them.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, because she's Columbo now, right?

[Blakely Thornton]

She acts like she's Mariska Hargitay in Law and Order SVU as a pop star.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it's like. But she really does go on the journey. And you can see that she's kind of ill equipped, but she's also trying to figure it out. Like, she's caught in a trap. I don't.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait, she's. Was that organic?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That was organic. But she's caught. Like she doesn't know how to deal with him. And I feel like that's the cat and mouse game the entire movie. Which is odd because she's just a pop star who happened to do a concert on the show.

[Alison Pill]

She has a monologue on stage which I wanted to tie into the rest of her journey. And it was hard to. And I did my best, but it was hard to. But that. But that monologue is about. She says something to the audience of like, I want you to think about everyone who's hurt you. I want you raise about that person. If someone's hurt you, raise your hand and show me. Show me and think about that person. And now forgive them.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She says, you have to tell them, you are not responsible. I release you from her for hurting me.

[Alison Pill]

And I think she says, you're not responsible for hurting me. Which is like very.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're not responsible. I release you from hurting me. I wrote it down. You are not responsible. I release you from hurting.

[Blakely Thornton]

A man wrote that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, what?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's fucking stupid.

[June Diane Raphael]

This is like, this is right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because like, what does it mean? Like, I was like, I don't buy that. Like, on so many levels. No, you are responsible if you are hurt by. Like, there was so such a blanket statement. Like, I don't understand what she's trying to get at there. I mean, unless.

[Alison Pill]

I don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I'm not trying to make his daughter.

[Alison Pill]

This was going to come. Come back in the car scene where she's trying to negotiate with him. But instead she does cosplay as his mother.

[Blakely Thornton]

Who told her to do that?

[June Diane Raphael]

Also, how was she briefed?

[Blakely Thornton]

Like, yo, if he traps you in a car, act like his mom is.

[June Diane Raphael]

She is Lady Raven a government agent?

[Blakely Thornton]

Should he get out and into your limousine and you were in West Philadelphia on Chestnut street, fucked up talk like his mom, he'll get a boner and cry. It'll be amazing.

[Alison Pill]

Like, what and how. By the way, how does the profiler know like the tone and cadence of his mother's voice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How does she know from her. I mean, the profile is making some big stuff. He drives a dark car. Oh, wow.

[Blakely Thornton]

Well, wasn't it on the video when he pulled her in the van?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, they were saying. No, they only know it because. Because OCD people drive dark cars, so.

[Blakely Thornton]

They don't appear dirty, but then don't look at me like that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would love to have seen Celica take off high heels because it does feel like she's still wearing an uncomfortable shoe for a majority of her detective work.

[Blakely Thornton]

It's very Jurassic Park.

[Alison Pill]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Whenever you see her walking down the street, she's still in full show costume.

[June Diane Raphael]

How about when. Like, I know we're jumping around, like, all over the place, but this is. This was just a wild ride. At the end, when Lady Raven is trapped in the bathroom and she's screaming to them, your husband is the butcher. That is direct. She's bad at this because at that point, she must understand that his only option is to kill them immediately. So she must assume, like. And then she's like, oh, wait a minute. And then she just opens the door like, oh, I'll just be like, what's going on out here? Because. And then they're fine, and the family is fine. And then he ushers them all out and then gives normal dad goodbyes to everybody. He's like, hey, son, good luck with that science project. Like, it really is like, I was obsessed with the goodbye moment. Him trying to be normal dad in.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That moment after they escaped through a window and down a tree.

[Blakely Thornton]

Oh, and the tunnel under his home.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, when did he have time to build that? And no one saw. Like, where is dad? Oh, he's like, literally out back, built, like, to build.

[Blakely Thornton]

He built an underground railroad, this motherfucker. Harriet Tubman. His own house. And they're like, whatever.

[June Diane Raphael]

And that's shame on the neighbor. That's shame on the neighbor who has a tunnel exit in their yard and never notice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right. It would be pretty obvious, like, hey, honey, why does this part feel like wood?

[Blakely Thornton]

Like, oh, it's too much.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But what I do like about Lady Raven is she keeps it in the family because her uncle's working the concert, who is actually, in real life, her dad. But he does have to give a complicated backstory of who he is, because it's like, it is M. Night's cameo, right? So when he introduces himself. This is. Let's see. This is. This is how he introduces himself about his relationship. There we go. I'm actually her uncle, her mother's brother.

[June Diane Raphael]

And she's really great.

[Paul Scheer]

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[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, listen.

[Alison Pill]

Why does he explain what an uncle.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why does he need to go?

[June Diane Raphael]

Why do you have to explain her? Like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Cause this could be her father's brother.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know, some people. You know what? I might want to put something in there because some people might not know what an uncle is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, that's what this movie feels like. This movie. Sometimes the dialogue feels like they're in a training video. May I see your house? The place where you live? Oh, yes, you can come to the house. That's where I sleep and I eat food. Oh, I also have a home. Oh, where do you live? I live in a tall home. I live in a short home. They all like. It's. Everyone is too interested and too expository.

[Alison Pill]

Well, I do feel weirdly, this movie gives a lot of. Of play to uncles in general. Like, he explains what an uncle is and also, like, how he's an uncle. And then the little girl who ends up saving Spencer is like, I'll go get my uncle. Like, uncles are important in this.

[June Diane Raphael]

Uncles are important and they're heroes.

[Alison Pill]

Uncles are better.

[June Diane Raphael]

Uncles are heroes.

[Blakely Thornton]

Too important. Dads are killers.

[Alison Pill]

That's right. Dads are murderers. Uncles are heroes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Blakely Thornton]

Consoles are the real heroes.

[Alison Pill]

That's the T shirt.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I'm also gonna say this, this family, if you take Josh Hartnett and you go, he's all right. Just take the serial killer on, put that on the side. We know that that's bad. This is a creepy family. Like, definitely T2B creeps.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When the daughter gets in the limo, there's like a bag of candy and she's like, can I have this? Taking fucking. Do you already have two bags of swag where you're getting four water bottles in there? Like, you don't need to take all this candy.

[June Diane Raphael]

All of your success is predicated entirely on the stolen valor of. My daughter has leukemia. Oh, we haven't talked about the fact that all of this poor girl's life is incredible For a series of hours and then the worst experience of her life. Imagine for her, Lady Raven for the rest of her life will be a reminder of the worst day of her life.

[Blakely Thornton]

No, but her life was already in shambles. The other girls already fucking hated her.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yes, the mom. That mom.

[Blakely Thornton]

She's my favorite character. She's such a.

[Alison Pill]

Incredible, amazing.

[Blakely Thornton]

Wait, she's like.

[Alison Pill]

I don't know if anyone noticed that when Riley's up there doing the dreamer girl or dream girl, Dreamer girl moment with Lady Raven. Lr to the other girl of the other girls. And you know that's her daughter, she has red hair. And the mom and the daughters realize that that's Riley. And then she turns and her and the mom just starts screaming at you.

[Blakely Thornton]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

They cut back you multiple times.

[Alison Pill]

I laughed so hard, I was like, that's the funniest thing I have ever seen.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This movie is a comedy. That's what I'm saying.

[Alison Pill]

No words, just sounds.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That mom also says something that I want to get into. When she first meets Josh Hartnett, she's like, oh, I haven't seen you since the whole parent teacher thing. I'm like, what the fuck did he do at the parent teacher conference? Like the way she said it was like murder someone. Yeah, like did he strangle a teacher? Because it was like, it wasn't like, oh, I haven't seen you since parent teacher conference night. It was like, I haven't seen you since the whole parent teacher thing. I was like, this guy's not living a safe life. But I do want to just go back to that. Family is weird. The mom, Allison Pill, finds out that Lady Raven's coming and she's like, quick, let me make some deviled eggs. Let me make a plate, everyone. This will be sure to please everyone. Like so many.

[Blakely Thornton]

Demo is like 32. How does she have like a 14 year old?

[Alison Pill]

30 years old, by the way. Can I just say something? Justice for Logan. So Logan, the son barely gets a line, you know. And then at the very end, when Riley comes up to after, you know, after he's been tased for about an hour and the gods hobbling out, Riley comes up to hug him goodbye for what we all know is the last time she'll ever see him. And Logan just runs past him.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Also right decision. That is the right decision. My dad killed my dad. Trapped me in a room. I escaped through a tree. He kidnapped a girl and he's a butcher. I'm out. I don't even know why those kids are back at the house, but they.

[June Diane Raphael]

Should not be there. They should not be allowed to be there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why were they back?

[June Diane Raphael]

Why did they bring them back?

[Blakely Thornton]

Why did they put them back?

[June Diane Raphael]

Should not be there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They left her with the aunt. If they left her with the uncle.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, that's right. Right. That's right.

[Blakely Thornton]

But when women are bad, dads are murderers and uncles are the best, it's.

[Alison Pill]

So crazy because they. If they had just waited, if they had gotten on their walkie talkies and Just said, hold the kids on the other block for. For just five more minutes. He's. We're walking him out. He's about to get him.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, we just got up. We managed to get a shirt back on him.

[Blakely Thornton]

Can we talk about that? Can we. Like I've been waiting to talk about.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. Why did he take. For the first time in the movie, he's like, this is a choice.

[Blakely Thornton]

He's like, hold on.

[June Diane Raphael]

What.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What was that?

[Blakely Thornton]

I mean, I loved it.

[Alison Pill]

I'll tell you why. I loved it, too. And I thought it was wonderful, brilliant filmmaking. And, yes, this is a mo. It's a. First of all, this is a movie, okay? It's a movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's a film. It's a film. This is synonymous.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

35 millimeter.

[Alison Pill]

He took his shirt off because she just said something about. About cleaning fluid and how it's Oliver's clothes. And he's like. He knows he's about to start butchering. It's about to get messy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right. Cause he does take the butcher knife and wipe it across the table.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, he's got, like, one of the cleavers, but he's got the cleaver thing that I believe is for vegetables.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Can I just say.

[Blakely Thornton]

And I'll just, you know, almost positive. Almost positive. Circle of trust. It was hot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It was hot.

[Blakely Thornton]

I'm short of. If he did everything short of killing me in that scene, I'm like, do it. Yes, Daddy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, that's what I think it was like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think that that is a moment where you're like, I'm confused because this is like a shirtless moment. And I'm like, well, how do you feel about this? I think. Yeah, we're all thinking immediately, he looks pretty good. Oh, he looks good in a way where you're like, oh. He doesn't like, working at it. Doesn't define him. But he is also, like, really in shape.

[Blakely Thornton]

And he could carry you over a threshold.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Or he's got murder strength.

[Paul Scheer]

Or like.

[Blakely Thornton]

Yes. Over a threshold or into a shallow grave.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. Oh, he can. But I was like, are they gonna fuck? And I hope the answer is yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hard.

[June Diane Raphael]

Genuinely. I was like, wait.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because.

[June Diane Raphael]

And that was the thing is, like, he starts taking his shirt off. And I was like, okay, give me. Where is this guy?

[Alison Pill]

Because where has this psycho been? It is what you said before about him. Him and Allison Pill are so fucking great. And that sequence, I thought, was amazing.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's a different movie.

[Alison Pill]

It's a different movie, but it is weirdly connected and int. And sexy. And spooky like it is. That entire sequence is everything. And again, not in this movie. Yes, it exists in a different movie. But I like that movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, but I loved it. And I loved it. And I do, I think, like. And I do, I think Alison Pilly is so phenomenal and so fantastic. And when she does that turn and she starts to be like, she starts to. And he starts to bring everything in super close on both of them. They both become incredible. And the movie is like. I genuinely was like, oh, I delighted to discover that the third act of this movie is an intense psychological thriller.

[Blakely Thornton]

I would have watched 90 minutes of that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would watch that as a one act play.

[Blakely Thornton]

Exactly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like put them on stage.

[Blakely Thornton]

I always. I knew you hated your mother. I knew you hated your fucking mom. It's like who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But like right there. Because he's like, what's so interesting about that monologue? The weird M. Night thing is like, I am the father who is related to my sister's brother. Like, then you have that. But then you have this other scene where like he's talking about experiencing anger for the first time and losing control. I'm like, what is that writing the whole time? Like, it's like, could we have gotten.

[Blakely Thornton]

That in the beginning?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Alison Pill]

And he's like, I'm so filled with rage when I look at you. It was, it was a lot.

[June Diane Raphael]

And it was so horny.

[Blakely Thornton]

I wanted him.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's so horny.

[Blakely Thornton]

So horny.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's like, these are people who've been married for who knows how long and they're having a unique experience together that they've never had before. She's provoking from him a reaction, an emotional reaction that he's never experienced before. And he's chopped people to bit.

[Blakely Thornton]

And she just poisoned him.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh. And she's like, just poisoned.

[Alison Pill]

And she's waiting for it to hit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Although I will say, and he has his shirt on watching it. I don't know when she does it. Like, unless she thought, okay, he will come home. I'll figure out how to get him to eat the cake and I'll pre poison the cake.

[Blakely Thornton]

He'll come home, get past all the cops, get in the kitchen, one slice of pie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And by the way, because she also.

[June Diane Raphael]

Eats a slice that is not poison. Or she's been building up an immunity to the poison. Princess Prince, Princess Bride style, which I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Tried to do for milk. Did not work.

[Blakely Thornton]

Read his book, Joyful Recollections of Trauma. Disneyland. I'll never look at it the same.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank you so much.

[Blakely Thornton]

Plug, plug, plug. Make it a movie.

[Alison Pill]

Do you think to get back in the house, he went through the tunnel again?

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. Oh, absolutely.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They should hope it was no one there.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, shame on the police for not guarding the tunnel.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, I think. No.

[Blakely Thornton]

I say so.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought they were working together. I think, okay. It's not on the screen, but that's okay. Is that. Do we see a part of that conversation with Hayley Mills and Allison Pill? And then it cuts away. And then Allison Pill goes, wait, before you leave, Haley Mills, what if I try to trap him? And she's like, interesting. She's like, pull the cops back.

[Paul Scheer]

He'll come here, and then you'll get your man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And Haley Mills, like, I like it. And then I think everyone pulls back, and then he comes in, because I think that's. Because they're all ready to get him.

[June Diane Raphael]

But that's. But the.

[Blakely Thornton]

That is incompetent.

[June Diane Raphael]

I love that.

[Blakely Thornton]

Right? That's incompetent police.

[June Diane Raphael]

That would be great. That.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, the cops also do a thing where he goes, you know, he's. He's fully cuffed. He's been tased. He's like, can you give me a second? And they're like, oh, yeah, sure. Like, he goes off and fixes the bike.

[Blakely Thornton]

We also. I'm sorry, this is a hard circle back when he, like, goes through all the SWAT team in plain clothes and gets coffee while they're.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh.

[Blakely Thornton]

While they're all being told, it's a white man and he's tall. It's a tall white man, plain clothes. He's like, what's up? You got any sugar? The guy's like, hey, white dude. I'm a white dude. Be free.

[June Diane Raphael]

And all he needs. All he needs is the pen. All he needs is the badge clipped to his corduroy jacket. Everybody else we see is in, like, a uniform of some sort. He's in absolutely just a corduroy jacket and a shirt. Just like, boop, it. A boop.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I loved it.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then he said, you guys want some donuts?

[Blakely Thornton]

No, man, I'm good.

[Alison Pill]

But by the way, Josh Hartnett, the way he takes on that sort of dopey, like those characters, like, on the Roof. On the Roof, when he plays really scared through the donut scene where he plays really dopey and, like, freaked out by all the goings on, he does that so fucking well that I'm like, oh, again, Josh Hartnett is the actor we've been waiting for.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, And I also think, to your point, Dumb White can get away with a lot.

[Blakely Thornton]

He's just so pretty. He could have told me he murdered people. I'd be like, okay, cool. You're cute. I've seen worse things on Crackdown.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, he really, like, it really is like this. I mean, when he gets back to the house, I think that Allison Pill knows that he wants vengeance. Like, he. He's gonna come back. Like, maybe he'll come back for that other guy. Well, maybe he won't. Cause that guy actually helped him out the vendor. But I feel like that's like they. Like, Allison Pill feels like she's been studying serial killers. Everyone's studying serial killers on the show.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, I mean, I think everybody in modern society is studying serial killers.

[Blakely Thornton]

Everybody with Netflix has studied serial killers.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, Allison Pill's podcast in the M. Night universe is so good.

[Blakely Thornton]

Only Murders in the Building on Hulu.

[Alison Pill]

But let me ask you this genuinely. Why is he so mad at her? Because she outsmarted before she outsmarts him. Like, he does come back and says he's gonna murder her and kill himself. Like, that is his plan.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, but he says, I started to think that maybe the trap wasn't them starting the trap. Maybe this trap. That's why he says, he starts to imagine a world that she put this in motion.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He does say the best line in the entire film right before it. He's like, I'm gonna eat this in five bites. Like, he basically is like. He's like, I know you think that, like, eating this pie is gonna prolong your life, but I'm gonna eat this fucking.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, I'm sorry, Paul, to disagree, but she has the best line afterwards, which she says, I know. Knowing that it's poison.

[Alison Pill]

I guess my point, though, is that he has already been on camera in his white van. He's already made multiple mistakes before the Taylor Swift ticket stub, which doesn't have a seat on it or any other.

[June Diane Raphael]

Information, think he's Hannibal Lecter. And he's not. He's a dummy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, he's very smart. And then incredibly dumb because he had no plan. And I just think he should have killed everyone.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, he. That's what I. I was on the. I was on the tip of my tongue to be like, it really would have made more sense to me that he kills his entire family.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Cause he has that moment where he's like, those two things can't meet, or those two things can't cross my two lives. He starts to talk about his two lives can't overlap. And I was like, oh, let them. And then let him kill everybody. Then it becomes really crazy because Lady Raven is responsible.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love it. Let's go to the crowd here. Let's see what you all have to say. Okay. Yes, hi. What's your name? What's your question? We were wondering how Lady Raven knew about, like, the killer profile and stuff. After the concert's over, she's in there with the profile, like, looking at the cameras and stuff. So they, like, debriefed her on everything?

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why. Why would they have to debrief the singer?

[Alison Pill]

Well, okay, I say something in case.

[Blakely Thornton]

He got past everybody.

[Alison Pill]

And also, did she put on this extra show as a part of. As a part of the track?

[June Diane Raphael]

I think they approached her and were like, we need this as a way to. No, because he bought. Yeah, that's right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So, like, it could have been a 76ers games. It could have been an Eagles game. It just happened to be.

[June Diane Raphael]

It just half happened to be. The thing he bought a ticket for was Lady Ray.

[Blakely Thornton]

Right, but the guy said this whole show is a trap, right? So, like, it was designed. Wait, did they know he was gonna buy a ticket?

[June Diane Raphael]

No, they found the ticket in his. In his safe house. Alison Pill planted the ticket in his empty safe house so that it was. She again is breadcrumbing the FBI to try and capture her husband, who is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Really their daughter, to a concert. So she's also putting her daughter.

[June Diane Raphael]

Mothers and daughters man, his arm. And the profiler is like, let her go. I was like, please, let him snap her neck.

[Alison Pill]

Let her go. Why?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. All right, Pete. Yes, man. What do you got? So I have a little math thing. So they end up saying that there's 3,000 males at this concert that they have to vet, which you've listed out now out of 20,000, 3,000 men. Now, obviously, you know, there are some that don't fit the 47, you know, profiles that they said they have to fit into, but let's just say they Latino men should not have been taken. That's the only. The only thing we know that they know for sure.

[Blakely Thornton]

2000 were gay. 1000 were cops. One was a murderer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But even if they did want to talk to the 3,000 people, you would have to break that down. That would be 30 days worth of interviews. How long are the interviews? Fifteen minutes. Okay, great.

[Alison Pill]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I like that. He had no hesitation. All right, sir, what's your name? What's your question?

[June Diane Raphael]

How you doing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm Gary, Gary, what's up?

[June Diane Raphael]

If they found the ticket stub and that's what set this whole thing up, why didn't they just have the cops collecting the tickets when they walked in and match the park?

[Alison Pill]

Great question, Gary.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, so I think what happened was.

[June Diane Raphael]

It wasn't a ticket. It was a receipt.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, so I think Cooper bought the ticket, then print out the receipt because he does his taxes and he's like, okay, I gotta put this in my. I gotta put.

[Alison Pill]

You think he's trying to write it off?

[June Diane Raphael]

He's. Yes. How do you have to send it to his accountant?

[Alison Pill]

As a firefighter, you can write off concerts.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Blakely Thornton]

I mean, he had a single family home in fucking Pennsylvania on a firefighter salary.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh.

[June Diane Raphael]

He has multiple safe houses all over the city.

[Alison Pill]

Okay, so that's what I think, Alice.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's got a murder basement.

[Alison Pill]

That's why I think Alison Pill, like, really was, you know, excited to turn him in because, you know, she's been financing his whole operation.

[Blakely Thornton]

She's a Bryn Mawr Betty.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know, she's bringing all the money. She's a management consultant.

[Blakely Thornton]

She's tired. She's tired. Sick, sick, sick of his shit.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah, she's on the apps now.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh. All right. Your name and your question.

[Maggie]

Hi, I'm Maggie. And this is actually related to both the receipt and the houses. So very relevant. So Cooper says that he has these houses because there are all these vacant spaces due to fire code violations. And later he talks about having a safe house on Brewster where he goes to think. But Lady Raven has a line where she says they found a portion of a receipt for a ticket. They found it in one of his fake houses they're fairly certain are his. And then two lines later, she says they know from the precision of the crime scenes and fake houses, he's what's called an organized offender.

[Blakely Thornton]

Who said that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who said that?

[June Diane Raphael]

This is Lady Raven, the protagonist of the movie. The hero of the movie, Lady Raven. Okay, so let me first name lady named Raven.

[Alison Pill]

I could listen to this monologue, whatever you just did. Forever. Forever.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I wanted to. And that just brought something to my attention, which is this Lady Raven is.

[Paul Scheer]

On a world tour.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She is going from city to fucking city. He may have bought this ticket six months ago, may have bought it a week ago. We don't know when he bought it. So she just flew in from Chicago and they're like, okay, time to debrief you. Like, she is acting as if she's been with the FBI. That's A lot of information for.

[June Diane Raphael]

If I'm Lady Raven, I'm like, let him murder as many people in Philadelphia as he wants.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right?

[June Diane Raphael]

I got shit to do. I don't have time to be columboing around every city that I'm in. Is this the series, Is this the next series for M. Night Shyamalan is just every city Lady Raven stings a different serial killer?

[Blakely Thornton]

If it can keep his daughter employed, then yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean.

[Alison Pill]

Well, here's my question, though, about that monologue. Why does she keep calling them fake houses?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Alison Pill]

So like that.

[Maggie]

That is my question too.

[Alison Pill]

Okay, great. So it implies, like, that he's setting up, like a little vase with some flowers and, like putting up a couple sweaters on.

[June Diane Raphael]

Some of them are just where he goes to think, which is this house.

[Alison Pill]

But he seems to be.

[June Diane Raphael]

Some of them have Spencer in the basement. So some of them are carbon monoxide nightmare scenarios.

[Blakely Thornton]

How does he set that up?

[June Diane Raphael]

Some are just places, dark places he goes to think his thoughts.

[Blakely Thornton]

How did he said.

[June Diane Raphael]

He said I go there to just think and plan.

[Alison Pill]

So are we, Paul, here's my question about. I want to talk about the carbon monoxide because it seems. Seems so different from his M.O. it seems like what he wants to watch is when the lights go out in people's eyes, you know, he. That's when he feels peace. So why is.

[June Diane Raphael]

And control.

[Alison Pill]

And control.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The carbon monoxide is a fail safe. If shit goes down, I gotta kill this guy. I gotta hit a button and do it.

[Blakely Thornton]

How many times has that happened?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, that's why he's planning. He's thinking all these options. He's like, what if the concert's a trap? I don't know. All right, let me create a. You know, like, he's already two steps ahead, I guess.

[Alison Pill]

But it's like in the time it takes to rig up a carbon monoxide like system, you could kill Spencer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, here's my other question, which is, and I think this gets to what you were saying. Is there a difference between a fake house and a safe house, or did Lady Raven misunderstand the police report? Yeah, and they kept on saying, safety house, and she's got it. Fake house, safe house.

[June Diane Raphael]

What's so crazy is we get so much in. We get so much more information, like, important information from Lady Raven than we do from the FBI profiler.

[Alison Pill]

This is honestly from Jamie, the T shirt seller.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. The butcher's main nemesis is not the profiler. It's Lady Raven.

[Blakely Thornton]

This is a her. Her dad made the movie, Bro her dad made the movie. This is a way to legally give her money and not have the trust fund tax happen.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

This movie smuggles a lot of lady a lot of songs into it. This was like the U2 album that was forced onto all of our iPhones.

[Blakely Thornton]

100%.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Okay.

[Blakely Thornton]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Your question.

[June Diane Raphael]

So he has an app that releases carbon monoxide and kills a guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is that, like, in the app Store, or is he also, like, an iOS developer? Like, what seems to be on a home security system that it's, like, simply safe. They have a carbon monoxide option. You know, they're released.

[Alison Pill]

Doesn't go the other way.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think. I think you might have to unlock your iPhone to get this app.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Her.

[June Diane Raphael]

His phone in the back.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

How is she able to unlock his phone? And when he does it, it's like a very complicated code.

[Alison Pill]

No, because he was filming her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Your question.

[Alison Pill]

Firefighters know about carbon monoxide. So clearly that was a training. He reverse engineered what he learned on a training that he probably took a.

[Blakely Thornton]

Lot of extra trainings during the time of code.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, and that's why, though, he knows about the fire code violation. So he's going around as a fireman going, this house is a fire code house. I'll just move in here. Like, so he's. Yeah. Oh, this movie's smart. Yeah. Yes. Your name, Your question? Yeah, I'm Kevin. So the most confusing part of the movie to me is when they left the house with Lady Raven and they're in the car again. He's dressed up like a SWAT figure, and he's surrounded by fans. And at one point, Lady Raven gets out of the car, and you think, okay, he's screwed at this point. But he looks over at some T shirts that are in the shotgun passenger seat, and within, like, five or 10 seconds, it seems like he has set up, like, a Scooby Doo, like, figure in the, like.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. Front seat.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then also slipped out into the.

[June Diane Raphael]

Crowd before the crowd that is filming him. A crowd that is surrounded and filming him. He. He goes. And again, you're right. He's wearing a helmet. He's. He's not even disguised as the chauffeur. He's just wearing a swat, Like a bulletproof vest and a helmet changes into a baseball hat and a hoodie and just seamlessly fades into the crowd.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Anyway, we have opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinion.

[Vic]

Hi, I'm Vic. Um, well, I guess you caught me. Cause I'm Trapped at a concert, took my daughter out. I figured, hey, well, it can't hurt. But now I'm on the run. I need a second opinion because I swear I was careful. I swear I left no trace. Now my kid and Lady Raven are all up in my face. They want me behind bars. Bad idea. Zero stars. So I don't hesitate. I make my escape. I trick J. May and got away. So when you're on Amazon, leave your opinion. I'll read your review. And Trap too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Amazing. Great job. Give it up, everybody. Fantastic work. What a great job. So, so many great second opinions. All right, well, look, Amazon's got a lot. Let's see where it got here. All right, the average rating of Trap on Amazon is a 3.9 out of 5 stars. There are 624 total reviews. 52% are 5 stars. And let's get into it with Andrea H. Who says, an absolute master of what the psychopaths living amongst us look like. Suburban fathers, pillars of the community. I love the profiling aspect and the spoilers. The way that Lady Raven breaks through and plays to his delusion was phenomenal. This is on par with Split. Loved it. There it is. Z writes Josh Hartnett. Need I say more? I loved this movie. Anxiety on a hundred. The whole time. Josh Hartnett is too hot to be someone's. And then finally, juju titles their review. Best movie of the year. This movie is so funny, so tense, and a perfect metaphor for a parent struggling with work, life, balance. Five stars. Amen.

[Alison Pill]

It's so true. It's like the system has failed us.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's an allegory for modern lies.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I try to keep my work and family separate, but sometimes I can't.

[June Diane Raphael]

I've got my family life. I've got my murder life, AKA my work.

[Blakely Thornton]

This is why we need nationalized healthcare.

[Alison Pill]

That's right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Parent Trap indeed. Okay, any final thoughts here on.

[June Diane Raphael]

I loved when Lady Raven finally escapes the chaos of Cooper and his world. And go. She manages to get away. And where does she go? She goes to Spencer. She goes to the house.

[Alison Pill]

That's who she is.

[June Diane Raphael]

She is the hero of the movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

While her tour manager is like, you got to be in Atlanta tomorrow. You can't. You got to get some sleep.

[June Diane Raphael]

We need a new album.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Speak after shows. Because she's like, I perform my. I got can't speak. She's out there solving crimes.

[Blakely Thornton]

Like, this is why Taylor does stadiums and you do arenas. You're out here solving crimes like a dummy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What are you guys? Anything else Anything else we missed, Spencer? Yeah, Honestly.

[Blakely Thornton]

Honestly. Be aware of stranger danger, you idiot. This is West Philadelphia, by the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What the fuck are you doing? You approach a van, a man in a van with an open door. Like, what are you saying?

[June Diane Raphael]

Have you not helped me move a mattress?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I'll help you move a mattress.

[June Diane Raphael]

But I really did at the end of the day, because it really seems to set up a world in which Josh Hartnett is some sort of saw level puzzle chaos, like monster. But I just never knew what he was up to. I never knew what the pieces were about. I wish, I wish I had more insight into the mind of the madman, not just the fact that boy does he seem like he's a great dad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And he wants to show people that they're not whole.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Blakely Thornton]

By putting holes in them.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Alison Pill]

I mean, I think that also what I wanted from the movie was I wanted Riley to be in danger at some point. Like, I wanted to see what he would do then.

[June Diane Raphael]

But not only what wasn't. Was Riley not in danger. The movie really only is letting you understand that Josh Hartnett is in danger. Right. And that in. And all the time he's away from his daughter, you're like, actually good. It might be good for Riley that he is just like constantly being like, I left my credit card at the T shirt stand. I have to go back. You're acting weird.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She does call it out a lot. And I.

[June Diane Raphael]

How could you not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

On my favorite moment. It's. It's a small moment because he's losing his. And when, when that, when that thing comes out of the floor and he's like, hey, hey, you want to.

[June Diane Raphael]

Should we go down there?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Going to go down there. You want to go in this thing? And then she's like, she's like the. Yeah. He like, yeah, there could, there could be costumes down there.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes, there could be costumes down there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Props.

[Alison Pill]

The craziest thing is, yes, he, he pitches. Like we could look at a costume cage. But the wildest part of that is at that point the stairs have like descended all the way down there. Like it's just an open pit. And she looks at him like, are you okay, buddy? Like.

[June Diane Raphael]

And when it closes back up, he looks at it like, oh, like he's on my way out. He's doing. It's like one of the times when he does like multiple eyebrows work.

[Alison Pill]

Yes. His eyebrows are doing a lot.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's doing. He's got full control of those brows. I loved it. I loved it. I love. But I, but again, that was the promise of the movie where I was like, well, at some point they're going to get underneath the stage, right? Nope. I wished I wanted them to go under there and get to those costumes.

[Alison Pill]

Yeah, I wish. I guess there was a better way out of the stadium that was more fulfilling after. After all that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. For them to get to the point where he's like, so I'm the butcher.

[Alison Pill]

Yeah, right.

[Blakely Thornton]

Hey, lady Raven. I'm the fucking butcher, bitch. Put us in your limo. Who has a stretch limo in 2024?

[June Diane Raphael]

Who? I was gonna say, like, our young pop stars. Like, I want a stretch limo driver.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She should be on a tour bus. Again, she's irresponsible. Travel. She's got to be in Atlanta.

[Alison Pill]

But I truly think this movie does not work at all. And it does. It does. Despite everything that's been said tonight, without Josh Hartnett, I mean.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, this is a good question.

[June Diane Raphael]

Without a doubt.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think that Josh Hartner, I think actually everybody is very good. And I love the daughter. Would you recommend this movie? Would you recommend it?

[Alison Pill]

Absolutely.

[Blakely Thornton]

100%.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, absolutely. Yes.

[Blakely Thornton]

10 toes down.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will say that not only will I recommend this movie, I will say that this movie has retroactively made me understand M. Night Shyamalan. I'm like, oh, I get it now. Like, I've been like, fuck old. Oh, that movie is weird. And I get it all. I'm like, he's playing another. Like, he's like, what do you think of this? And I'm like, uncle, I like it. I, like, went to that thing. Like, my uncle's weird now. I'm like, my uncle's really funny. You just don't get him. That's how I feel about M. Night now. I'm like, I get it. And now I wish.

[June Diane Raphael]

I wish he'd killed the other girl's mom. Yeah, I wish. I wish. That's the thing is he really doesn't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Kill anyone that we can't.

[June Diane Raphael]

He really doesn't kill anybody. And that's the thing. We know he has killed, but we really don't see him really do any damage.

[Blakely Thornton]

So there's a part girl at the hot dog stand.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no. She's burned up. But, you know, when they're wheeling her out. When they're wheeling her out, she's like, ah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Again, I want.

[June Diane Raphael]

Gonna be fine Again.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will. She. I want to say it's her fault, because when you see her, she looks.

[June Diane Raphael]

At it for so long.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oil in the burning thing, huh?

[Blakely Thornton]

Have you ever Been to the Philadelphia public school system. Do you think she knew she's wearing a hot dog stand at a Philadelphia concert? She knows science, by the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's the cross. I know, I know. Abbott elementary is doing a crossover with Always Sunny. I want the crossover with Trap. Make him run into that school for like a 15 minute. I love this, Blakely. It was amazing to have you on the show. Where can people find you? Tell everybody where. Where they can get you.

[Blakely Thornton]

You can find me at Blakely Thornton on Instagram or TikTok and soon to be other places off the Internet. I have a podcast called Immediately no coming out, which is the opposite of how I feel about this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I'm excited. So immediately no we can follow you. I really recommend the follow. Not that he needs more followers because he's got a ton, but you're gonna. It's like what you need to know about everything going on from fashion movies. Everything it covers at all. It covers it all. Everything in pop culture. So definitely follow that. What do you guys got, anything?

[Alison Pill]

No?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, here we go.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't know. What are we talking?

[Alison Pill]

We're just plugging Trap. Plugging things.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'll plug Trap.

[Alison Pill]

I'll plug Trap. And I'll plug Tram.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right, great. Give it up for Blakely. Give it up for everybody. We'll see you later.

[June Diane Raphael]

Eat shit.

[Paul Scheer]

That is a wrap on Trap. Thanks again to Blakely Thornton and that all star staff at Largo who kept kept us safe from the butcher the entire show. Now, if you want to show off your love for all the different types of uncles out there, then go to teepublic.com stores/hdtgm to grab our uncle's shirt, which is already. I have to say, it's perfection.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

As always.

[Paul Scheer]

If you have a correction or an omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619Paul. Ask and write a comment on our discord at Discord GG hdtgm and then make sure you tune in next week for our last looks follow up episode episode. To hear me respond to your messages and announce our next new movie. All right, Philadelphia. We are coming back to the Miller Theater on November 16th. Tickets are now on sale at hdtgm.com There are still tickets available to see Jason and I in D.C. and Boston. That's November 20th and November 22nd. Nicole Byer will be in Boston and Chloe Trost has just been added to dc. You also get Lisa Gilroy, Rob Hubel, Carl Tart. So many great performers there. Check us out Dinosaur Improv. That's the name of the show and.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Make sure you get your tickets for our how did this get Made Holiday Live Stream which could be viewed around.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[June Diane Raphael]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Tells you a lot about yourself. You're either someone who settles for sad same old same old burgers or you're.

[June Diane Raphael]

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[Blakely Thornton]

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[June Diane Raphael]

Up for the insanely hot El Diablo.

[Blakely Thornton]

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[June Diane Raphael]

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