E392: Jason Pritzker on Family Offices, Venture Capital, and Long-Term Investing

Summary

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Podcast Summary: How I Invest with David Weisburd — E392: The Investing Rule That Built the Pritzker Empire

Date: June 19, 2026
Host: David Weisburd
Guest: Jason (Pritzker family member, investor at TPO/53 Stations)

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the foundational investment philosophies that shaped the legendary Pritzker family empire (of Hyatt fame), and the key rule that underpinned their profound success: partner selection and long-term orientation. Jason walks through his family's unique journey, the interplay of character, ethics, and business, and how these ethos continue to inform their approach—not only in private equity (PE), but now also in venture capital (VC). The conversation also explores lessons from family wealth, board dynamics, the pitfalls of "Nepo babies," and the importance of humility, continuous learning, and cultural values in investing.

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Key Insights & Discussion Points

1. The Pritzker Origin Story: Ethics & The Power of Trust

• Generational Foundations:
  Jason recounts how his great-grandfather’s reputation for integrity (paying back a loan for which he was not legally responsible) created crucial trust with bankers, enabling subsequent generations to innovate in business acquisition at a time when bank loans were hard to get (00:21).

• Innovation in Financial Thinking:
  His grandfather's insight: “Why can't I use mortgage math to buy a business?”—an idea that predated mainstream private equity (00:55).

  Quote: “Because his dad had paid back somebody else’s loan, the bankers said, ‘If he's willing to pay back somebody else’s paper, he’s probably good for his own.’ That was really the big unlock that started the whole thing.” — Jason (01:35)

2. The Investing Rule: Pick the Right Partners

• Long-Termism Rooted in Tax Reality:
  High capital gains tax (over 70%) “never made sense to sell anything”—encouraging a long-term ownership mindset. (02:11)
• Core Principle:
  “The only thing that matters is who's your partner, who's running this business? Can they run it for a long period of time, and do they see the world the way that you do?” — Jason (00:00, 02:09, 03:12-03:15)
• People, People, People:
  Inverting Hilton’s mantra “location, location, location,” Jason states, “Our corollary is people, people, people.” (03:27)

3. Psychological & Structural Divergence: Long-Term vs. Flip-Oriented CEOs

• Five-Year Flip vs. Generational Ownership:
  Host and Jason analyze the incentive misalignments and cultural distinctions between executives aiming for a quick sale and those intent on enduring value creation. (04:27-05:10)

• Key Difference:
  Long-term owners invest in “things that take time to yield results,” e.g., new factories or R&D, whereas short-termers may avoid such investments (04:38).

• “Dumbest thing…is buy and flip in five years,” notes the host, citing opportunity costs and lost compounding from churning assets (05:10).

4. Balance & Discipline in Holding Periods

• No Dogma, Only Dynamic Reassessment:
  The Pritzker approach evolved from “forever hold” to “no hold period.” The key is disciplined, constant re-underwriting—“Every day that you’re not selling, you’re buying.” (06:38-08:05)
• Advantage:
  “If we can run a 10-year model on something and somebody else can only run a five-year model on it, that does give us some advantage.” (08:05)

Notable Quote:
“You don’t want to replace one dogma with another… Sometimes there’s these local maximums… you need to sell at a once-in-a-generation premium.” — Host (09:52)

Lesson:
“When the bus comes, get on it. If somebody is willing to pay you tomorrow's price for something today… that can be very compelling.” — Jason (10:03)

5. Humble Entry Into Venture: Paying Down Ignorance Debt

• Venture Learning Curve:
  Unlike typical family offices eager to co-invest and go direct, they invested as LPs in top funds to learn and “pay down our ignorance debt.” (13:35-13:55)
• Continuous Learning & 53 Stations:
  The name “53 Stations” comes from a Buddhist parable about perpetual learning. The firm embodies a “student mindset,” engaging with all the best in the space before making direct investments. (13:55-15:31)

6. Lessons Translated (and Unlearned) from PE to VC

• Risk vs. Opportunity Mindset:
  In PE, focus is on downside/risk mitigation; in VC, “the art is squinting your eyes and seeing what could be.” (15:37)
• Winning in VC:
  Credibility and “sweat equity” matter more than price; relationships and “EQ” are key differentiators (16:52-18:04).
• The Scarcity of Great Founders:
  “I will take an incredible founder over a perfect thesis all day long.” — Jason (18:06)

Notable Quote:
“To be a great, particularly early stage venture investor, EQ becomes as important as IQ.” — Jason (18:04)

7. Board Dynamics: One Board, Not Two

• Transparency & Trust:
  Great boards have no information asymmetry. “There shouldn’t be information asymmetry within the board.” (19:26)
• Independent Directors:
  Essential for early-stage companies—offer mentoring, expertise, and alignment amid naturally misaligned incentives in VC boardrooms. (20:04-21:27)
• Private Equity Board vs. Venture Board:
  In PE, owner and manager are aligned; in VC, interests often diverge due to different entry points and fund cycles. (20:54-21:27)

8. Heritage, Parenting, and Avoiding the "Nepo Baby" Trap

• Rooted in Humility:
  Jason shares stories of discovering his family’s wealth late, being raised without entitlement, and inculcation of humility and responsibility, e.g., the “Nickel Society” from immigrant ancestors (22:10-24:39).
• Giving Back:
  Family tradition: Even as homeless children, they donated money to those less fortunate. “The money is not yours. It's to grow the enterprise. It's not for personal consumption.” (24:37)
• Bootcamp for Next Gens:
  Financial “boot camp” (e.g., investment banking) helps overcome entitlement and forges character (25:17-25:37).

9. Regrets, Advice, and Looking Forward

• Advice for Younger Self:
  “I thought in two-year chunks…It wasn’t until I was in my early 30s that I started thinking on a long-term trajectory.” (26:11)
• On Regret:
  “Not doing AI in 2020,” but focuses on learning and adapting rather than dwelling on missed opportunities (26:38).
• On Regret Perspective:
  Parallel universe model: “The mere fact that you’re alive—the survivorship bias is you’re probably doing better than many alternatives.” — Host (26:52-27:15)

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “The only thing that matters is who's your partner, who's running this business? Can they run it for a long period of time, and do they see the world the way that you do? Our lesson has been your primary responsibility is pick the right partners.” — Jason (00:00, 03:12)

• “Our corollary is people, people, people. That is really our major focus.” — Jason (03:27)

• “If you invest only in companies where you want the person running it for 20, 30 years… you're going to make different decisions than if you're looking to flip in five years.” — Host (03:15)

• “Every day that you're not selling, you're buying.” — Jason (06:38)

• “The only thing worse than 2 and 20 is 100/0, which is you basically lose all of your capital.” — Host (13:35)

• “The path to enlightenment is through continuous learning.” — Jason (14:19)

• “I will take an incredible founder over a perfect thesis all day long.” — Jason (18:06)

• “There shouldn’t be information asymmetry within the board. If you have your inner circle… it doesn’t promote getting the best mindshare from everybody.” — Jason (19:26)

• “The money is not yours. It's to grow the enterprise. It's not for personal consumption.” — Jason (24:37)

• “I got punched in the face over and over and over. And I'm so thankful for that experience.” — Jason (25:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–01:50 — Pritzker origins, integrity, and unlocking capital
• 02:09–03:15 — The “pick your partner” investing rule & tax context
• 03:27–04:27 — Culture, long-term ownership vs. private equity flip
• 04:27–05:10 — Psychological differences between short- and long-term leaders
• 06:38–08:05 — Dynamic reassessment, "every day you're buying"
• 09:52–10:41 — Exceptions to the rule: selling at local max
• 13:35–15:31 — Approach to learning venture; “ignornace debt”; 53 Stations origin story
• 15:37–18:56 — Distinctions between PE & venture; importance of EQ
• 19:26–21:27 — Board best practices; independent directors
• 22:06–25:17 — Lessons in humility; “Nickel Society”; overcoming “Nepo baby” label
• 25:17–25:58 — Investment banking as a bootcamp for wealthy offspring
• 26:11–27:17 — Timeless advice, regret, forward-looking perspective

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Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, reflective, and grounded in both history and practical wisdom, blending anecdotes of family lore with concrete operational advice for investors and entrepreneurs alike. Jason brings humility and a continuous-learning mindset, while David’s questions probe for both philosophy and actionable insight.

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Conclusion

This episode unpacks the investing wisdom that built one of America’s great family empires, showing how trust, long-term thinking, disciplined partner selection, and humility compound not just financial capital but also human and social capital across generations. The lessons translate across asset classes—and generations—and offer a roadmap for anyone serious about building enduring value.

Transcript

[A]

The only thing that matters is who's your partner, who's running this business? Can they run it for a long period of time, and do they see the world the way that you do? Our lesson has been your primary responsibility is pick the right partners.

[B]

Jason, how did the actions of your grandfather lead to the Pritzker family becoming one of the most prominent families in the United States?

[A]

My great grandfather was a bankruptcy lawyer during the Depression and also a small local businessman. He was buying three flats, fixing them up, selling them as condos. He made an introduction between one of his clients and LaSalle National bank, which many iterations later, is part of JPMorgan Chase. And the guy defaulted on the loan. My great grandfather went to the banker and said, I feel responsible for this. I made the introduction. I'm going to pay back that guy's loan. I don't have the money to do it, but paycheck to paycheck, I'm going to pay back his loan. So then cut to a few years later, my grandpa's. He was a math genius. He was an incredible guy. Went to college when he was 14 and then he was a naval aviator. His core insight coming out of that environment as a kid was, why can't I use mortgage math to buy a business? Mortgages are well known. You put up 20%, the bank puts up 80%, you pay it back and you own the property. At the time, there was no such thing as a cash flow loan, and you had to be a triple A rated public company with sizable assets to get a line of credit from the bank. But because his dad had paid back somebody else's loan, the bankers said, look, we don't really know this Pritzker guy, but if he's willing to pay back somebody else's paper, he's probably good for his own paper. And that was really the big unlock that started the whole thing. My grandpa was then able to do different math than everybody else when looking at acquisitions. And so then from about 1950 until 1980 or so, when private equity started to grow up, there weren't too many people running the same math as him.

[B]

What's the lesson there?

[A]

Capital gains tax was over 70%. And so the nexus of those two things, on the one hand, buying and building businesses at a really fast clip, on the other hand, it never made sense to sell anything because you gave all of the proceeds to the government. What that led to was a mindset of a couple of things. Very long term ownership tax, efficiency, and if those are your two north stars, the only Thing that matters is who's your partner, who's running this business? Can they run it for a long period of time and do they see the world the way that you do? Which in our case was tax efficiency and long term equity compounding, that means you reinvest into the businesses, you try not to have distributions, you find ways through other acquisitions or innovation or human capital to keep the loop closed. And so our lesson has been

[B]

your

[A]

primary responsibility is pick the right partners.

[B]

It's the thought experiment taken literally, which is if you invest only in companies where you want the person running it for 20, 30 years, if you take that literally, you're going to make different decisions than if you're looking to flip in five years.

[A]

Absolutely. Culture is, we have a saying in our family, Hyatt is our most well known asset. Conrad Hilton famously said, there are three things that matter in hospitality. Location, location and location. Our corollary is people, people, people. That is really our major focus is finding the right people that want to be in their business for a long time. On the private equity side of our business, there's a little bit of a self selection process because There are some CEOs that love the private equity cycle. Work for three to five years, you get your business and your bonus, and then you get a big check every time you go through a transaction. But there are some people that say, wait a minute, if I partner with you guys, I just get to run my business, build my business. I have a great capital partner that can be value added in a lot of different ways. But I get to really just focus on my business and not the transactional nature of private equity.

[B]

Double click on that difference. So you have two COs, one that wants to flip in five years and one that wants to hold five for the long term. What are the key differences psychologically between those two CEOs?

[A]

Sometimes investment in your business takes a long time to yield results. Whether it's building a new factory or innovation in the product cycle. That could take five, seven years. And if you're on that three to five year timeline, it's not in your best interest to invest in that because it's coming out of somewhere. You're either going to raise more debt to make that happen. You can take it out of free cash. I think it's really cultural. It includes the CEO, but it starts with the board and goes all the way down to everybody in the business.

[B]

This whole idea of selling a company five years from now and flipping this has been this narrative that has been sold to Institutional investors for many years. I had another Chicagoan, Sam Zell's longtime partner, Mark Soder. And if you think about it from first principles, especially if you're a taxable investor, probably the dumbest thing you could do is buy a company and then sell it five years later. Why? Two reasons. One is you have two lost years. So you have the first year where you're trying to figure out what you bought, you're trying to see where all the skeletons were buried. And two is in the fifth year, human nature, incentives are a beast. So if you're looking to sell something in the fifth year, you're not going to make these same long term decisions. And then of course you have this tax hit. Even today we don't have 70% capital gains, but this constantly churning and the banking fees and all these things. But perhaps even more destructively is that you can't make these long term investments, these factory investments, or these capital expenses that may not pay off for five, 10 years. Well, private equity, especially today, is so institutionalized that it's its own capital markets. Meaning every single private equity backed CEO is looking at the same exact model on what they should be doing, what they shouldn't be doing that can or cannot pay off to three to five years. To the extent that actually somebody that has a different timeline could fundamentally make different decisions and different investments.

[A]

I have a couple thoughts on that. One, push back a little bit. The three to five year timeline instills discipline. And so one of the things that we've tried to mimic on the TPO side of the shop, and we talk about 53 stations and how it applies there as well. But most of the guys that are really good or people that are really good at private equity are already thinking about exit when they get into an investment. And so they are hitting the ground running. There's a sense of urgency around what they're doing, that if you have a forever timeline and you're not careful, you can get lazy about. We've actually updated our mentality from we have a forever hold period to we have no hold period. Why? Because markets are so dynamic. Our kind of first principle, our first obligation is to the company. We need to do what is best for the company. And market conditions change all the time. And so we have to be thinking dynamically. And so while our aspiration might be to hold it for a long time, we need to be constantly doing that re underwrite, kind of buy, sell, hold. Every day that you're not selling, you're buying. And so we think a lot about it on a daily basis despite the very long duration. But to your point, if we can run a 10 year model on something and somebody else can only run a five year model on it, that does give us some advantage.

[B]

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[A]

We've learned this lesson to the positive and the negative. When the bus comes, get on it. If somebody is willing to pay you tomorrow's price for something today, in certain situations that can be very compelling and we've actually had operating teams say we need to take this price because the multiple they're paying is not the multiple this business should be trading at and we're going to need to grow at double digit CAGR for years just to get to the same outcome. If multiples revert back to where they are and we see it all the time in roll up businesses and others where it's just a very dynamic market.

[B]

Before you start a venture fund, you were first an lp. What did you learn from the lpc?

[A]

So we have a fund of funds that's separate from TPO and 53 stations, where all they're doing is allocating into funds separately from that. When we were learning about venture specifically in the first phase before it was called 53 stations, we anchored and seeded a number of funds and that was really where a lot of those lessons were coming from. We did it very intentionally to accelerate our own understanding of how venture works. We were on the phone with them constantly asking them why they were making the decisions they were making, why this deal versus that deal, how they thought about go to market, how they thought about their right to win, to really bring us up the learning curve before we were comfortable doing direct investing Managing

[B]

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[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you guys took a very humble approach, which is we have invested in the space. We're going to learn from the best of the best, invest in top funds and pay down what Alex Morzi calls ignorance debt. We're paying down our ignorance debt in the asset class. As we pay that down, we have the right to now start investing into companies and doing it in an effective way.

[A]

It's a really interesting way to think about it. I still think we are on the journey and I'll take this opportunity to talk a little bit about 53 stations and how it got started, why it got started. But we are always on the journey. If I look at the progression of fun one, we're getting better at what we do every day. 53s. I'll start with the name, which didn't exist in the beginning. 53 stations is a nod to a Buddhist parable. It's the story of Sudana who is a pilgrim seeking enlightenment. And the Buddha says, the path to enlightenment is through continuous learning. And so if you want to learn, go talk to that master or station. He goes, he learns everything he can. Master says, that's all I got. But if you want to learn more, go talk to this person or station. Rinse and repeat 53 times. On the path to enlightenment goes through all 53 stations. And Buddha says, okay, by the way, the pursuit of or the accumulation of wisdom is a noble pursuit if it's in service of sharing it with other people. So that's the story of Sudana. We've told that story for a long time at TPO in the context that we don't have LPs, we don't need to deploy capital. If you're interested in the space, go meet everyone in the space before you try and get a transaction done. So we wanted some tie back to tpo who's our lp? And in our context, it's about maintaining a student mindset, being on the journey with our founders, learning every day, incorporating that wisdom into what we do and what we can share with our founders.

[B]

Venture. So it is syncretic. It's very different from pe. What are some lessons that you took from PE to Venture?

[A]

Yeah, it's a great question. I'd say I've taken an equal amount of lessons from PE to Venture as I've had to unlearn lessons from PE to be good at Venture. So the two sports are completely different. In pe, you wake up every day, your first priority is downside, risk mitigation. What can go wrong and how do I fix that? If you do that in Venture, you never get a deal done. The art of venture is squinting your eyes and saying if this is successful, what could it become? So immediately those are just diametrically opposed ways to wake up in the morning. And PEU expressed conviction through the highest price and generally in a banked process that's going to win the day. In Venture, nobody's seeing liquidity for a long time and the great founders have a ton of choice, but they're picking somebody to join their team and help add value to their equation. Conviction through price doesn't win the day.

[B]

I had Professor Ilya Sturbolov, Stanford professor, who's researched this and top tier funds, it's empirically proven, get a lower entry point price than other funds. And said another way, when you have the hottest companies, it's not price that wins.

[A]

One way to think about it, if you added the headline price to the sweat equity that firm is able to put in, you probably blend it up and end up with the highest price. But the founder is valuing that sweat equity much more than the headline price that they're putting out. In pe, there is an entire ecosystem of brokers that is incentivized to put the best deal on your desk. They're called investment bankers. All day long they are looking for deals. What the big shops have done is insource that function. So we all know in venture there's negative signal that comes with a banked deal. But the reason that is is because the big firms have fleets of BDRs, great processes, that coaching tree, the what I call the Belichick coaching tree, where they have great founders with great exits that then refer them to the next generation of founders and so on and so on. So we had to update our thinking away from a private equity mindset, which I think as an Investor hinges on iq. Where to be a great, particularly early stage venture investor, EQ becomes as important as iq.

[B]

What do you mean by that?

[A]

Founders are the scarce asset. When we were trying to figure out our go to market, we own a number of large operating assets on the TPO side of the shop. So we thought let's find verticals where we know something, where we have information asymmetry. Let's find early stage companies that are fixing the tech debt in that industry that's evolved to is the founders are the most important thing. So if you don't have the EQ to understand the longitudinal aspects of what makes a great founder and you're thesis driven, it's insufficient. You said another way, I will take an incredible founder over a perfect thesis all day long.

[B]

Joe Lonsdale even says it to the extreme which his biggest mistake in his first decade of investing was not investing in founders that were building what he believed was a bad company, but were great founders because A they would pivot into it or B they would evolve so much that they would still make it a good company. You've been on many prominent boards and today you sit on the Hyatt board. What is sitting on the Hyatt board taught you about being a great venture capitalist?

[A]

The Hyatt board is so special. It is a really well run board. One is make sure you have one board, not two boards. In other words, there shouldn't be information asymmetry within the board. If you have your inner circle of people that have one set of facts and the rest of the board members have a different set of facts, it doesn't promote getting the best mindshare from everybody.

[B]

How often does this happen?

[A]

I think it happens frequently.

[B]

It's almost the default.

[A]

Yeah, particularly I think in the early stage companies where there's a couple different examples. In the early stage companies, the earlier investors tend to have a different relationship with the founder.

[B]

They have a stronger bond.

[A]

The stronger bond. And asynchronously, whether it's over text message, I'm on the phone, I'm texting with founders all the time. What's going on in the board meeting. If you're only plugging in once a quarter, it's really tough to keep up. So. So one is make sure culturally you have one board, not two boards. Two independent directors are fantastic. In the early stage boards, what you often have on the board are the founders and investors. We'll all try as hard as we can, but there is misalignment of interest in that room. Independent directors can play an incredible role for the founder as mentors, as subject matter experts in their field, and as a leveling function within the boardroom. So I think independent directors are really important for early stage companies. Our private equity boards, we own the company and we are in lockstep with the management team over what the strategy is and then how they're going to execute. In a venture board, you have lots of different entry points, different motivations. Those GPs are running their own fund, they have their own business to run. It might be doing great, it might be doing terrible. They may be going into a fundraising cycle where they're looking for a markup that's not in the best interest of the company. It's a natural consequence of how venture evolves.

[B]

It's the Charlie Munger quote. If you want to look at behavior, look at incentives.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I've had this unofficial policy on the podcast where I don't really interview second, third generation family members. I found them to be difficult to deal with.

[A]

Nepo babies.

[B]

Nepo babies. I wasn't going to say it. When we chatted prior to scheduling a podcast, I was very impressed by how not Nepo baby you are. What's the key to success there?

[A]

I'm very involved in ypo and whether it's YPO or very successful founders, first gen creators, it's one of the things we talk about a lot. Said another way, how'd you end up not messed up?

[B]

Yeah, because the default is actually messed up.

[A]

Look, this starts with parenting. There's nothing I'm more thankful for in this world than how our parents raised us. I'll give you so, dad, work hard every single day. Mom is currently running the Aspen Institute. She cannot sit still. She's always engaged in something, but it was also the little things. So growing up, I'll give you a couple of fun, fun stories that always come to mind. One, we didn't know we were wealthy until sixth grade when an eighth grader came up and pushed me and said, hey, rich kid. I was like, what are you talking about? And he showed me the COVID of Forbes magazine. And there's dad and grandpa and Uncle Nick and Penny and a bunch of family members on there. And on the school bus ride home that day, I said to my brother, my little brother, and said, hey, we're rich. He said, what are you talking about? I said, we're rich. He said, we can't be rich. Rich people don't eat pizza.

[B]

It's probably a couple years before Richie Rich came out. That's what I Thought growing up, I grew up on Section 8 housing and I thought that's how rich people, they drove in limos and bet $10,000 on baseball shots and things like that.

[A]

We did not have that upbringing. So we spent a lot of time in Nepal as kids. I did my fourth grade year there. I think about this often. So walking down the street, nine years old with my mom and she pointed at a kid across the street. And in Kathmandu, it's extreme poverty. And this kid, no shoes, covered in dirt, tattered clothes and snot dried to his face. And she pointed at him. You see that kid? You are no different than that kid. You just got lucky in where you were born. So never treat anybody with disrespect and always be humble. And that stuck with me. And there are countless examples of those types of one on one teachings. And then around the table, dinner table, a little later, it is drilled into. You don't think you hit a triple because you were born on third base. The money is not yours. It's to grow the enterprise. It's not for personal consumption. My grandfather's grandfather was seven years old when he came here. He came from Ukraine. He was homeless. His mom came with him and his sister and they didn't have enough money to sleep in one place. But they got together every Friday for Shabbat and the rule was called it the Nickel Society. So this is a homeless kid sleeping under a billboard, shining shoes, selling newspapers. And when he showed up on Friday, he had to produce a nickel to give to someone less fortunate than they were. That mindset and that obligation is still with us today. We all take it very, very seriously. Being good community members, giving back. He wrote a book that was just distributed to the family. I read it every so often. It's a great grounding mechanism at the end of the day. We were talking earlier about starting at Goldman, the name only gets your foot in the door. After that, it's on you.

[B]

That's the one consistent behavior that I've seen across many family offices. And the best performing kids is they send them to what I call financial boot camp to investment banking. And they just beat the hell out of their entitlement.

[A]

Oh man.

[B]

And no matter how bad they are coming in, they're come two, three years later, they come out and they're halfway decent.

[A]

I got punched in the face over and over and over. And I'm so thankful for that experience and the people that took extra time and there were other analysts that were done with their work at 2am and stayed until 3am to help me out with something. It's a very formative experience that changed me fundamentally.

[B]

If you could go back to a younger Jason right after you finished Goldman, what is one piece of timeless advice you'd give him on how to be better as an investor or as a human being?

[A]

I had an incredible set of experiences throughout my professional career. But earlier in my career I thought in two year chunks, I'm going to do Goldman for two years. I'm going to go work at Marmon for two years, I'm going to do this. And it wasn't until I was in my early 30s that I started thinking more on a long term trajectory.

[B]

What's your biggest regret?

[A]

Not doing AI in 2020. I try not to think about regrets. I'm learning every day. I'm focused on forward. I think as a firm 53s we are always looking at tomorrow more than yesterday.

[B]

I was preparing for my interview with Bill Ackman and he actually has a really interesting way to think about regrets, which is he doesn't live with regrets either. And the reason for that is it's a parallel universe essentially. In that parallel Universe There's a non 0 chance you get run over by a bus. So the mere fact that you're alive, the survivorship bias is you're probably doing better than many different alternatives.

[A]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[B]

Thanks so much for jumping on.

[A]

Thanks for having me. Really appreciate it.