Inside a NASA Contractor Job: Systems Engineer Salary & Artemis Missions

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How Much Can I Make?

Episode: Inside a NASA Contractor Job: Systems Engineer Salary & Artemis Missions

Host: Mirav Ozeri
Guest: Joanna Siegel, Systems Engineer at KBR (NASA Contractor)
Date: April 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the fascinating, lesser-known world of systems engineering at NASA contractors, with a special focus on the Artemis missions to the Moon. Mirav Ozeri interviews Joanna Siegel, a young systems engineer at KBR, who shares her journey, the technical and human challenges of her job, and candid details about the realities of the role—including how much you can expect to earn. The episode provides rare insight into astronaut health and comfort systems, lunar lander design, the importance of teamwork, and the genuine impact of space innovation on life back on Earth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Does a NASA Contractor Systems Engineer Do?

• Joanna explains her role at KBR, which holds a Human Health and Performance contract with NASA.
• Her focus: astronaut health and comfort systems for the Artemis lunar missions.
• Responsibilities include ensuring all technical requirements across different system disciplines (radiation, IVA suit, waste management) are met and integrated for a functional lunar lander.
  [00:44-01:48] Joanna: “Broadly what a systems engineer does is ensure that all of the different components or elements of a larger system will be able to fit together…”

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2. Artemis Missions and the Lunar Lander

• Artemis 3 aims to return humans to the Moon, with a stay of about 6–7 days.
• Joanna’s team handles requirements for key areas:
  • Radiation protection: Mitigating exposure and long-term health risks.
  • IVA suits: Intravehicular suits for dynamic phases, designed for emergencies.
  • Waste management: Special toilets that work in microgravity and lunar gravity, critical to prevent contamination. [01:51-06:12]

“The toilet has to function while you’re in microgravity… and while it’s in lunar gravity, which is about one sixth of Earth's gravity.” — Joanna [05:44]

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3. Career Journey: From College Road Trip to NASA Contractor

• Joanna’s pivotal moment: seeing a “BME” (BioMedical Engineering) station at NASA’s Johnson Space Center.
• Studied bioengineering at University of Pittsburgh (no aerospace program).
• Gained initial experience in medical devices (developed CPAP masks).
• Landed NASA contractor job at KBR after persistent applications and industry co-ops. [02:11-04:15]

“I always thought that going into the space industry you had to have a background in aerospace engineering…this kind of blew my mind.” — Joanna [02:35]

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4. Testing and Development Challenges

• Many hardware systems can be tested on Earth, but gravity-dependent items are tested in orbit, e.g., on ISS.
• Even clothing is tested with astronaut feedback to optimize functionality and safety (like flammability in a high-oxygen environment). [06:18-07:44]

“When developing clothing… the biggest consideration is flammability. Because the oxygen environment in the lander is a higher concentration than it is on Earth.” — Joanna [07:22]

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5. Living and Thriving in Space

• Food is primarily dehydrated and rehydrated in space; meeting calorie requirements is a significant challenge.
• Behavioral Health and Performance Lab at Johnson Space Center simulates missions (with Earth communication delays) to monitor crew psychological well-being for long durations. [07:59-09:59]

“They try to simulate different communication delays—on Mars…the delay one way is 20 minutes.” — Joanna [09:06]

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6. Monitoring Astronaut Health

• Lander systems include real-time radiation monitors and personal dosimeters for astronauts.
• Some health monitoring is continuous; personal radiation doses are only fully known post-mission. [10:05-10:43]

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7. Salary and Earning Potential

• Joanna’s path:
  • First job in Pittsburgh: $75,000/year (development engineer, medical devices).
  • After two years at KBR in Houston: ~$95,000/year (includes merit increases).
• Government contracts pay less than private space companies (like SpaceX or Blue Origin). [11:06-12:17]

“Because it is a government contract, it’s not going to be the same level of pay as if I were in private industry…if I worked for SpaceX or Blue Origin, then I would probably be making a lot more.” — Joanna [11:50]

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8. Teamwork, Challenges, and Stakeholder Management

• Biggest challenge: orchestrating consensus across many NASA offices and stakeholders for each hardware or policy decision.
• Importance of consulting technical experts and ensuring all opinions are considered. [12:45-13:56]

“There’s tons of different offices at NASA who are stakeholders…whenever there’s a decision that needs to be made, I have to make sure all of the proper stakeholders…are consulted.” — Joanna [13:03]

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9. Designing for Diversity (and for the Unknown)

• Artemis aims for the first woman and person of color on the Moon.
• Design challenges: account for anthropometric range (smallest female to largest male) without knowing the future crew.
• Special consideration for hardware related to menstruation and broader sizing for hardware and suits. [16:14-18:06]

"You have to design for the whole anthropometric range of…the first percentile female to the 99th percentile male." — Joanna [16:44]

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10. Earthside Benefits of Space Technology

• Many innovations created for spaceflight find everyday use on Earth: baby formula (originally developed as lightweight, dehydrated astronaut food), memory foam (for padding). [19:49-20:47]

"There has been so much technology that has been developed for spaceflight that has eventually made it back...to Earth." — Joanna [19:52]

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11. Personal Fulfillment and Rewards

• Delayed gratification—real impact is years away when Artemis hardware flies.
• Greatest reward: working on a project of deep personal interest and being part of space history.
• Job has broadened Joanna’s perspective on space industry careers. [22:10-23:28]

“I love learning about space...every day that I’m able to learn something new or think about astronauts going to space, it’s very personally rewarding for me.” — Joanna [22:36]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the thrill of her work:
  “It’s very mind blowing for sure…when that lander finally goes to the moon, that I can say, like, I will have had an impact on that mission.” — Joanna [21:06]

• On the most exciting technology:
  “I honestly would probably say the toilet… in space, it needs to be almost completely redesigned…something that’s so easy here on Earth, but that is a big challenge in space.” — Joanna [21:30]

• On seeing her work in action:
  “Every time there’s a full moon and I get a chance to look at the moon, I’m just like, wow, we’re gonna be going there soon one day. It’s a very weird feeling.” — Joanna [24:35]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• What is a NASA contractor systems engineer? [00:44–01:48]
• Artemis missions & lunar lander specifics [01:51–06:12]
• Joanna’s education & career path [02:11–04:15]
• Testing space hardware on Earth & ISS [06:18–07:44]
• Food and mental health in space [07:59–09:59]
• Health monitoring in space [10:05–10:43]
• Salary insights and comparisons [11:06–12:17]
• Challenges of stakeholder coordination [12:45–13:56]
• Accommodating diverse astronauts—design & hardware [16:14–18:06]
• Earthly benefits of spaceflight tech [19:49–20:47]
• Most exciting tech: the lunar toilet [21:30–22:10]
• Personal fulfillment and reward [22:10–23:28]
• Reflecting on impact and space career prospects [24:35–24:44]

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Final Takeaways

• Systems engineering at NASA contractors is multidisciplinary, rewarding, and full of unexpected challenges and impact—both in space and back on Earth.
• Salaries are competitive but trail private space sector; the mission focus and sense of purpose are often the bigger rewards.
• The space industry offers many entry points beyond aerospace engineering—including bioengineering and human factors.

For anyone curious about combining technology, teamwork, big challenges, and making actual history—this episode proves the sky (and moon) truly aren’t the limit.

Transcript

[A]

Hi, welcome back to How Much Can I Make? I'm Ravozeri. Since Autumn Is two launched last week, it felt like a good time to revisit a segment from last year. In this episode, I spoke with Joanna Siegel, a young systems engineer working for a NASA contractor focused on astronaut health and comfort. She primarily works on Artemis 3 and the Lunar Lander, but also shares insight on Artemis too. I found it fascinating and I hope you do too. Here is Joanna Siegel.

[B]

So thank you again for doing it. I'm so excited.

[A]

And let's start by telling us what

[B]

is your job exactly?

[A]

What is it that you do?

[C]

So it's a little bit complicated to explain, but essentially I'm a systems engineer. And broadly what a systems engineer does is ensure that all of the different components or elements of it larger system will be able to fit together into a finished product. I work at a contractor for NASA called kbr and KBR holds the Human Health and Performance contract. This basically means that if you work on this contract, you will be somehow interacting with the health and medical needs of the crew for a various amount of different missions. So some people in this contract work on the International Space Station and do real time operations with the astronauts there and are in charge of things like the medical kits or the exercise that the astronauts on the International Space Station do. For me, I am working on the Artemis missions. The Artemis missions are NASA's push to bring humans back to the moon before eventually going to Mars.

[B]

And how long they're supposed to stay on the moon?

[C]

It depends. So Artemis 3 is the first lunar landing of the Artemis missions and that stay is going to be around six or seven days.

[B]

Wow. Okay. I would like to back up for a second and tell me what was your journey like from graduating high school to landing this job?

[C]

It's a bit of a windy one. So in high school, the first time I even heard about being an engineer and working at NASA was when I was touring colleges and my mom and I went on a large road trip. And one of the places we visited was Houston. And while we were here visiting schools, we. We toured Johnson Space Center. They brought us into one of the mission control rooms that they use for simulations. And I was looking at all the different signs that were there and all the different console positions. And there was one that had three letters, bme. And I knew going into college that I wanted to study engineering. And so I saw these letters and I immediately thought biomedical engineering. And so I asked the tour guide, what does BME stand for? Does it stand for biomedical engineering. And he said, yes, that's exactly right. This is a council position that deals with the health of astronauts while they're on the space station. And that kind of blew my mind because I always thought that going into the space industry you had to have a background in aerospace engineering. So this kind of piqued my interest. And it was something that I decided that I really wanted to try to do one day. I eventually ended up going to the University of Pittsburgh and I did study bioengineering. And Pitt did not have any aerospace engineering classes or programs. So I didn't really get any educational background in aerospace engineering while I was there. So all throughout college, I pretty much applied for all the NASA internships I could find. Never got a single one of them. But while I was at Pitt, I did get some very valuable industry experience through co ops and internships. And these were in the medical device field. And then my first job out of college was at a medical device company. And so I was a development engineer there. And I worked there for almost two years. I was on a team that developed the CPAP masks that patients use while they're getting treatment from a CPAP machine at night to treat sleep apnea.

[B]

Oh, really? Wow. Okay, so back to your current job. All of a sudden one day you got a notice that you got a job with a company that works with NASA. Did it blow your mind?

[C]

Yes. Yeah. I had been applying still while I was working full time. But yeah, I got an email back from KBR saying that they wanted to interview me for this position. I ended up getting an offer.

[B]

So how long have you been with company?

[C]

It will be two years at the end of this month.

[B]

So now you're developing and working on all stages of the lunar lander right from takeoff for the lunar. Being there, give me an example of a thing that you develop.

[C]

I'll give you an idea of what my specific role covers. So all the people on my team are in charge of different discipline areas and the requirements that are associated with those areas. So we're essentially making sure that the vehicle is going to be in compliance with all of the requirements. So for example, my areas that I am sort of the manager of the requirements for are radiation. So making sure that the crew are protected from radiation and they'll be low likelihood of having long term effects of radiation once they return to Earth. The IVA suit, which stands for intravehicular activity. So it's the suit that they wear inside the lander when they're doing dynamic phases. So like, while they're actively landing on the Moon, they'll be wearing this suit in case of any kind of emergency. And then the third area is the waste management system. So this includes the toilet, the trash. Yeah, Making sure that the biological waste does not contaminate the living quarters of the crew. So there is a bathroom on lander, and there's a toilet. And it's not the typical type of flush toilet that we have on Earth. So there's no water involved. Because water is a scarce resource for these missions. And essentially, the toilet has to function while you're in microgravity, which is essentially weightlessness.

[B]

That's another problem.

[C]

Yes. And it has to function while it's in lunar gravity, which is about one sixth of Earth's gravity.

[B]

When you develop something, you have to test it first. Right.

[A]

Obviously.

[B]

How do you test it here on Earth?

[C]

So a lot of the functions of hardware sometimes don't depend on the gravity conditions. So, like electronics and things like that. But for things that are affected by gravity, a lot of the times, if they need to test in a microgravity environment, they will bring that hardware to the space station and test it up there. Because the space station is constantly crewed. It always has astronauts on it. And they're really set up to do science and experimentation In a microgravity environment. And I remember one time I was observing a crew clothing evaluation. So this would be the clothing that they just wear day to day on the surface of the moon. And all of these textile engineers were sitting in the room. And there was one crew member there. And he was trying on all the different clothing, the different jackets and pants that he's going to have to wear. And giving feedback on it, like, is this zipper in the right place? Or like, should the Velcro be over here versus over here? Or what do you think about this pocket?

[B]

So the textile they're using is completely different than what we use here on Earth. Because it has to fight radiation.

[C]

I said the biggest consideration they have to take into account. When developing clothing or any kind of soft goods is flammability. Because the oxygen environment in the lander is a higher concentration than it is on Earth. And so they have to ensure that if a fire did break out, that clothing would not catch on fire in that elevated oxygen environment.

[B]

There's so many things to consider. You mentioned food, and I read that when Senator Kelly came back. That he lost a lot of weight because he didn't really like the food. Even though he tested it before. The food is mostly packaged and is it powder? Is it.

[C]

Usually it's dehydrated food. So like it's not necessarily a powder, but it's just had all the water sucked out of it. And then when they send it back up to space, they have the ability to rehydrate it from their water supply. It can be a big issue because if astronauts are not meeting their daily calorie requirement in space. Then they're not going to have enough energy to perform their tasks. Especially if they have to go out and do an extra vehicular activity. Because those can be very long in duration and they're very taxing on the body.

[B]

And by the way, your department probably not, but maybe other department in your company. Do they deal with the mental health of the astronauts?

[C]

Yes. So there's a whole lab at Johnson Space center called the Behavioral Health and Performance Lab. And they do a lot of work on determining, like, how they can best maintain the psychological well being of crew members, especially for long duration missions. And one of the ways they do this is they have basically a simulated habitat at Johnson Space Center. And they have human test subjects who voluntarily sign up for these studies. To go and live in that habitat with three or four other crew members. And they stay there for durations of up to 45 days. And they're given tasks to do every day. They're basically on a mission, obviously not in space. Like they do have contact with Earth. But they try to simulate different communication delays on Mars. For example, the delay between communication one way is 20 minutes. And so for those types of simulated missions, they will simulate that communication delay. And of course, if there's any kind of emergency, they would be able to reach them right away. But they're trying to see how teams interact with each other. And the dynamics of teams when they're stuck in a place together for a long duration and basic basically have no privacy.

[B]

Okay, back to the astronauts. Is there a way that you can monitor their health while they are up there and is it 24 7?

[C]

It depends on what is being monitored. So for example, like there's a radiation monitor on the lander. That will alert the crew if there's going to be a radiation event that they need to take precautions for. And that will also be sent to mission control as well. So the people monitoring the vehicle from Earth will know. The crew are also wearing sort of like a personal dosimeter. Which will tell the crew personally how much dose they got. The crew will know, but that data won't be known by like the people on Earth until The mission is over.

[B]

Oh really? So they can have permanent damage? Right.

[C]

It's possible for like a large event to cause permanent damage once they return to Earth, but it would be a very long term thing. Yeah. Space radiation does have the potential to cause cancer later in life in some cases.

[B]

This sounds like an amazing job. How much can somebody earn? What is the potential earning for an engineer in such a department?

[C]

I would say it depends on a lot of factors. Like for example, where you live, the cost of living can vary greatly in different parts of the country. And your specific background to like if you have a bachelor's degree versus also having a master's degree, what's your degree? I have a bachelor's in bioengineering. Okay, so there's many different factors when it goes into deciding the pay. But for example, when I first got out of college and I worked at the medical device company, my starting salary was around 75,000 a year. That was in Pittsburgh. And so the cost of living was lower than it is in Houston. And So now after two years of experience, my pay is around 95. That includes, you know, like merit increases and things like that. Because it is a government contract, it's not going to be the same level of pay as if I were in private industry. If I worked for a private company like SpaceX or Blue Origin, then I would probably be making a lot more. Oh, a lot more, yeah, yeah, because they, they just have more budget to be able to accommodate higher salaries. But because it's a government contract, it's much more limited.

[B]

Do you get to meet the astronauts by the way?

[C]

Yeah, I have met some astronauts, yes. I was totally starstruck whenever I was in a room with them. But basically they're the experts on space flight and what it's like to be in space. So we have to talk to them to be like, hey, are you guys actually going to like this food that we're planning to send up there? Like, is this something that feasibly will make a difference in your life in space? Because no one else has that direct experience.

[B]

What would you say is the biggest challenge of your job? I mean, there are millions of challenges. I know, because every little step in the space travel is a challenge. But what would you say developing something like this is the biggest challenge?

[C]

I would say from a personal standpoint, I would say it's probably the amount of people that need to be involved in certain decisions. So there's tons of different offices at NASA who are stakeholders on all of these pieces of hardware and requirements and whenever there's a decision that needs to be made, I have to make sure that all of the proper stakeholders and representatives at NASA are consulted for their expertise on the question. Because I'm not an expert. I graduated college four years ago. And I'm not a, like, Ph.D. or anything like that. But I do have some technical background. And so I can tell when there is going to be a need for certain stakeholders to be consulted. So I'd say that's the biggest challenge for me personally is like ensuring that all of the proper experts are able to give their opinion on a certain question or problem that comes up.

[B]

What would be the biggest challenge when they're staying for six days on the moon?

[C]

I would say probably making sure that the crew are equipped to deal with any medical situations that arise. Ensuring that the medical kit has all of the instruments or pharmaceuticals that they would need to treat any predicted medical events. My team does work very closely with medical doctors who are specifically certified to be flight doctors. And they're the experts in space medicine. And this is a field that I'm personally very interested in and want to learn more about. So working with these flight surgeons is a very cool experience because they can tell you, like, oh, we need to design the table of the lander in this way. So that they could use it also as a medical station if needed. Like, it needs to be this specific shape or this width and not have handles in certain places. Because that could obstruct someone from trying to treat a patient who's on the medical table or, like, placement of medical supplies. So, like, where are we going to store the medical kit so that it will be accessible if the crew were to need it?

[B]

And you have to still design it in a way that it fits in the small lunar.

[C]

The storage capability of the landers is also a big consideration.

[B]

How do you work on something that once it goes up there, you have no control? You can't really help if it's something that totally surprises you. How, how do you account for that?

[C]

That's definitely a good question. And it is a problem, especially for missions that will eventually go to Mars, because there's such a big communication delay, even with the people who are going to Mars. So it really comes down to setting the crew up for success with maintaining hardware. So making sure that the hardware is designed in a way that if it needs to be maintained, that it can easily be opened and inspected. And potentially sending up tools or, like, replacement or repair kits for different hardware that's essential to the mission.

[B]

So you're working and developing things now that will happen in 2027.

[C]

Yes, and later, because our team is working currently on Artemis 3, Artemis 4, and Artemis V. And these are all lunar missions.

[B]

I love it, by the way, that they call it Artemis, named after Apollo's twin sister. Because at this stage they're going to have for the first time a person of color and a woman. So I love that they call it Artemis. But does it complicate in any way your work that there will be a woman? Is it different needs from a man? Is there issues there with what you're developing?

[C]

I would say the main accommodations that we would need to make is dealing with the menstrual cycle. So collecting, we know we're gonna have to collect that kind of waste. So just planning for that capability and then I guess sizing could be an issue. So, like when you're trying to decide the dimensions of different hardware or the placement of different things, or for example, like the step height of like steps on the lunar lander, you have to design for the whole anthropometric range of like the first percentile female to the 99th percentile male. And you have to make sure that anyone within that anthropometric range will be able to use the hardware the same way.

[B]

Do they give you the exact measurement of each astronaut? Do they know already who are the astronauts that will go?

[C]

That's a good question. Yeah. So Artemis 3, there has not been crew named for yet. So we don't know exactly who is going to be flying. The only things that may need to be held off on before deciding or when crew are decided is, for example, the size of the spacesuits. Because depending on what crew is selected, they would send up one size or the other. But yeah, everything else that is designed for the landers pretty much agnostic of the crew. They just need to be trained on it at some point.

[B]

But if you design everything for, let's say 5.5 tall person, and then all of a sudden 6.1 astronauts shows up, that changes your whole configuration.

[C]

No, it can, but that's the reason why we have the requirements for designing within a certain anthropometric range. And this is something that also is a problem on Earth. Because if you're designing a commercial product or like a building or an elevator, you have to know that the general public is going to be using. You have this wide range of sized people that are going to need to do the same task. So that is one of the issues that also kind of translates to space. When you don't know who you're going to be designing for. In the past, the astronaut corps of NASA has been pretty uniform. For example, like they're all men in the past, like historically with Apollo, they're all men, they're all white men. They're all usually have some kind of military background. They're all in great physical shape. And so you didn't really have to consider a super wide range range of people when you were designing for the Apollo missions. But for Artemis and because we're going to be getting not just military people, but people who are civilians and who are scientists that might need to be taken into consideration for designing.

[B]

Oh, there will be some scientists going to space.

[C]

Yes. For Artemis 2, there have been crew selected and this is a mission where they're not landing on the moon, but they're going to be circling it and coming back. Christina Cook, who's one of the astronauts going on Artemis 2, she is a scientist and she's an engineer. She doesn't have any military or like formal like piloting experience. She's one of the mission specialists on the Artemis II mission.

[B]

Nice. Is there any benefit here on Earth from everything that your department and your company developed, health wise or otherwise? Is there anything that we gained here on Earth because of this research?

[C]

Definitely, and I think not even as a result of my project, but of the space flight history and NASA in general? Yes. There has been so much technology that has been developed for spaceflight that has eventually made it back into the Earth on Earth and something that people use every day. So for example, baby formula, what that was as a result of a lot of the food that they would send up to astronauts. They would have to find a way to dehydrate it, make it as light as possible to be able to launch it. So that technology has influenced the baby formula industry on Earth too?

[B]

Oh, who knew? Amazing.

[C]

I think there's a whole website actually about the different technologies that have been developed for space flight that are now used on Earth. I think memory foam is another one of them.

[B]

What was that? Memory foam?

[C]

Yes, memory foam.

[B]

Really? How did memory foam come into that?

[C]

I think it might have been like a type of padding or sound abatement or something like that that they figured out could also be very comfortable to l. It's endless. It is, it is.

[B]

Does it ever overwhelms you when you think about that you're working on something that will actually somebody will use on the moon?

[C]

Yes. It's very mind blowing for sure. Yeah. I'm A huge nerd. And I just can't imagine, like, when that lander finally goes to the moon, that I can say, like, I will have had an impact on that mission.

[B]

From all the things that you developing, what's the most exciting technology you ran into or developed that you ran into?

[C]

I honestly would probably say the toilet that's used. Because that's such a common, everyday thing that we do on Earth and don't even think about. But when you're in space, it's so different, and you have to. I'd say it's like something that needs to be almost completely redesigned for space because it needs to be able to collect and contain waste in a microgravity environment. And it needs to be able to control odors and control any releases that might happen. I would say that's the one that really hit home for me because it's something that's so easy here on Earth. But that is a big challenge in space.

[B]

I wanted to ask you, what's the biggest reward? But I guess the reward is going to be years from now, right? When all the astronauts. What's the biggest reward?

[C]

That's very true. It's definitely delayed gratification. We won't see the results of our work until it's actually flying in a few years. I would say, for me personally, the greatest reward is being able to work on something that I have a personal interest in. I love learning about space. And so every day that I'm able to, like, learn something new or think about astronauts going to space, it's very personally rewarding for me, which I think is a really unique thing to find in a job and is something that I'm very grateful for.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[C]

Being in this job has opened me up to learning so much more about the spaceflight industry. I didn't really know much about it coming in, and I didn't know all of the aspects that go into human spaceflight. And so now that I'm here, I've learned about a lot more jobs and fields that I might be interested in in the future. So I'm very grateful that this job has opened up that world for me and giving me the exposure and the experience to be able to transition into maybe another job in the future that I learn will interest me.

[B]

But you're going to stay in the space industry?

[C]

I think so. It's the one thing that really interests me. So I think I'll be here for a while.

[B]

That's fantast. Well, Joanna, like I promised you, I'm not Going to take too much of your time, because I could speak with you for hours. But I want to thank you for your time. This has been like a whole new world to me. I must admit. I never thought about the medical and health issues of the astronauts. And the whole behind the scene is a huge industry.

[C]

It is massive. It is a huge amount of people and a huge amount of work. But you do only end up seeing, like, the four astronauts that are launched. And, like, a lot of the times, like, yeah, you don't even think about the things that might have gone into the planning. And that's something I didn't even think about before I got this job either. But I have since learned a lot.

[B]

That is so interesting. Thank you so much.

[C]

Yeah, thank you so much. I'm glad to be able to get this type of job out there because I don't think a lot of people realize that this type of job exists.

[B]

I don't think so either. I mean, it's still hard for me to wrap my mind around it. That we were talking about a lunar landing that you're working on.

[C]

I know every time there's a full moon and I get a chance to, like, look at the moon, I'm just like, wow, we're gonna be going there soon one day. It's a very weird feeling.

[B]

Must be now. I'll think about it when I look at the moon.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

All right. Thanks a million.

[C]

Yeah. Thank you so much.

[B]

Amazing. And you'll hear from me a few years from now. I'm gonna be following the lunar lander very closely now.

[C]

Good. I can't wait. I'll keep an eye out.

[B]

All right, take care.

[A]

O okay, that's a wrap for today.

[B]

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