Kelly Brook -  I’m In My Don’t Give A Damn Era!

Summary

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day – Kelly Brook: “I’m In My Don’t Give A Damn Era!”

Podcast: How To Fail With Elizabeth Day
Host: Elizabeth Day
Guest: Kelly Brook
Release Date: November 12, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this compelling and emotionally candid episode, Elizabeth Day welcomes model, actress, presenter and radio host Kelly Brook. Together, they explore themes of failure, self-acceptance, and resilience, focusing on Kelly’s journey through working-class guilt, public scrutiny, heartbreak, loss, and the evolving sense of self-worth that has led her to what she describes as her “Don’t Give a Damn Era.” Along the way, Kelly opens up about her family dynamics, the pressures of fame and body image, and her decision not to have children after a traumatic miscarriage. The episode is notable for its blend of warmth, vulnerability, and wit.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. The “Don’t Give A Damn Era” & Career Evolution

• Kelly’s Journey: Kelly reflects on the journey from glamour modeling in the 90s (with its intense sexualization and double standards) to her current life as a respected presenter and panelist.
• On Being Limitless: Her husband, Jeremy Parisi, often tells her, “everyone knows Kelly is beautiful, but what they don’t know is she’s a woman with whom everything is possible. There are no limits” (03:20).
• Mutual Growth: Kelly shares that meeting Jeremy made her realize how limiting her self-perceptions had been and how their partnership gave them both confidence:
  “He makes me feel like anything’s possible, so I think it’s a mutual thing.” (03:53)

2. Deciding to Join “I’m a Celebrity… Get Me Out of Here!”

• Facing Fears: Kelly previously vowed never to do reality TV, particularly “I’m a Celebrity,” but changed her mind after advising a friend to embrace opportunity:
  “It’s about time that I kind of live my don’t give a damn era.” (07:44)
• Preparation and Anxieties: She shares both the practical (hair removal, cutting out caffeine) and psychological ways of preparing, admitting to “terrified of everything” and an increase in phobias as she’s grown older (09:12).
• On Relinquishing Control: She looks forward to the “liberating” aspect of giving up her phone, having done it previously for another reality show (10:18).

Memorable Quote

“I realized it was just basically out of fear … now I want to do something for me.” (11:40)

3. Failure 1: Failing to Acknowledge Success – Working-Class Guilt

• Early Family Dynamics: Kelly’s father was a scaffolder, her mother a cook. She “came from a very normal working-class background,” but success (and money) came rapidly in her late teens.
  • “I came from a very normal working-class background, but success came to me very quickly ... and you realize that actually doesn’t change those things … you can’t change people or dynamics.” (15:09)
• Alienation and “Kelly’s World”: Creating her own “world” through showbiz brought both opportunity and isolation:
  “My mom would call it Kelly’s World … but that’s really alienating and quite a lonely place to be.” (16:35)
• Early Sexualization of Girls in Media: Kelly discusses being sexualized at 16 and how it was at odds with her “soul.”
  “I’ve never felt like a sexy woman … my physical appearance and my soul are like two different things.” (18:17)

4. 90s Culture & Public Scrutiny

• Reflections on Media Treatment: Kelly recognizes the cruelty and bullying that characterized 90s media:
  “Media really dictated everyone’s opinion about who you were... it was dominated ... by cruel writers, bullies, really.” (22:25)
• Success & Relatability: In Britain especially, she felt it was “not our comfortable place” to celebrate achievements. When living in America, she was struck by their cultural difference:
  “The American culture is to always, you know, big yourself up … and I just don’t think we have that in the UK.” (23:37)

5. Redefining Success

• Personal Life over Work: Now, success means her marriage, health, and relationships, not professional achievement at all costs:
  “My marriage is just the best thing in my life ... in the past, I was young and selfish ... I just don’t feel like I’m in that place now.” (24:42)

6. Failure 2: Failure to Put Up Boundaries

• Codependency and People-Pleasing: Kelly discusses how she’s learned that being a people-pleaser didn’t serve her:
  “I have been in the past such a people pleaser … as I get older I’ve become more of a selfish bitch and I don’t really care anymore.” (29:27)
• Relationships & Growth: She shares openly about ending a relationship with Jason Statham, choosing her own path even at cost, and realizing she had neglected herself (32:35).
• Mother-Daughter Dynamics: Growing up with a young mother blurred boundaries, leading to codependence and the hard-won lesson that boundaries are vital for personal growth.

7. Failure 3: Not Having a Family (Miscarriage and Acceptance)

• Kelly’s Miscarriage: She recounts a traumatic miscarriage at six months and describes the “shame” and “failure” surrounding loss and childlessness:
  “I do feel that as a failure because that was my baby … even though I probably wouldn’t still be with the father ... I do feel like I would have been a good mum.” (48:37)
• Shifting Narrative: Kelly and Elizabeth bond over the experience of miscarriage and speak out about non-traditional paths to fulfillment and nurturing:
  Elizabeth: “There are so many different ways to mother and parent in this world and that’s how you show up.” (44:23)
  Kelly: “You can be a nurturer of so many different things … gardening brought out some really amazing things in my life.” (48:09)
• Public Silence: Kelly describes not giving her baby a name or keeping mementos, in part because at the time, “miscarriage wasn’t something we talked about … it was very shameful.” (43:00)
• Moving On Without Guilt:
  “It’s okay to feel pain, but it’s also okay to move on with your life. … I’ve never felt guilty about moving on with my life, but I can’t say that, I’m not devastated that that happened.” (50:10)

8. Body Acceptance & Current Pressures

• On Body Image Then vs. Now: Kelly tells a shocking story of being offered weight loss medication (Mounjaro) unsolicited:
  “I was offered Mounjaro literally last week by a doctor … I love my body. I absolutely love my body. I ran a marathon this year, and I’m 45.” (37:53, 38:29)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mutual Empowerment in Relationships:
  “We gave each other confidence to just live our dreams and do things maybe we wouldn’t have done before.” — Kelly Brook (03:56)

• On Public Scrutiny:
  “When social media came along, it kind of humanized us in a way that had never happened before, because all of a sudden we had our voice and we could talk and say what we felt...” — Kelly Brook (22:25)

• On Navigating Miscarriage:
  “I just chose not to [name the baby] ... it was something you kind of hid away. It felt like you’d failed. It was very shameful ... everyone I’d known who got pregnant had their baby.” — Kelly Brook (43:00)

• On Growth & Identity:
  “I needed to grow as a woman, as a person. … It’s only until you’ve broken a heart or had your heart broken that you have that kind of feeling. I think you’ve got to go through it all.” — Kelly Brook (33:01)

• On “Don’t Give A Damn” Era Mantra:
  “Confidence over consensus, doing what feels right and not what’s expected of you … authenticity over image, freedom over fear, saying no without guilt and yes without hesitation. Creative boldness … breaking down your own rules and not caring if everyone gets it.” — Kelly Brook (52:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – Kelly introduces her modeling boundaries and how she’s changed; the shock of being offered a weight loss drug.
• 03:41 – Kelly on partnership with Jeremy Parisi and their mutual support.
• 07:14 – Why Kelly is finally doing “I’m a Celebrity,” overcoming fear.
• 10:18 – On giving up her phone and real-life comforts for the show.
• 11:18 – Entering the “Don’t Give a Damn Era” at age 46; embracing authenticity.
• 15:09 – Discussing working-class guilt and family dynamics.
• 18:17 – Being sexualized young, dissonance between image and self-perception.
• 22:25 – The impact of 90s British media and lack of agency for women.
• 24:42 – Defining success now as personal happiness, especially marriage.
• 27:35 – The challenge of boundaries, people pleasing, and learning to say no.
• 32:35 – Leaving Jason Statham, growth, and heartbreak.
• 37:53 – Body image, weight loss culture, and loving her body.
• 40:33 – Trying (and losing) her first pregnancy; grief and processing loss.
• 44:53 – The different ways women process and speak about miscarriage.
• 50:10 – Acceptance, moving on, and redefining meaning and motherhood.
• 52:17 – Kelly’s current guiding philosophies and living with confidence.

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Tone & Language

Kelly Brook is candid, self-reflective, and often darkly humorous—self-deprecating but ultimately forgiving of herself. Elizabeth Day maintains a warm, empathetic tone throughout, drawing out deep themes with sensitivity. Both are conversational and honest, often breaking the fourth wall to connect with listeners directly, particularly when discussing issues of shame, grief, and societal expectation.

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for its honesty, insight, and connection—not only between guest and host, but with the audience. Whether discussing relationships, body image, personal tragedy, or how to thrive after failure, Kelly Brook reveals the strength that comes from vulnerability. Her “Don’t Give A Damn Era” is less about rebellion than the courage to live according to one’s own values and desires—a lesson that resonates far beyond celebrity or circumstance.

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For Further Listening:

Look for the next episode of How to Fail With Elizabeth Day, or revisit past episodes for more intimate and inspiring explorations of life’s most instructive failures.

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Transcript

[Kelly Brook]

I remember going into the agency in my school uniform and I said, I won't do page three and I won't do topless, but I'll definitely do lingerie and swimwear. Like I was very happy with that. Unfortunately, as I get older I've become more of a selfish b tch and I don't really care anymore. Oh well. I was offered Mounjaro literally last week by a doctor.

[Elizabeth Day]

Wow.

[Kelly Brook]

Isn't that insane?

[Elizabeth Day]

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[Elizabeth Day]

A woman whose career has reflected the shifting tides of the British media landscape. From first finding fame as a glamour model in the 1990s and being voted FHM's sexiest woman in the World on more than one occasion. She later made the move into TV presenting and acting. But she was dogged by sexist public perceptions, enduring years of mean spirited headlines, public scrutiny and media diminishment, she had to work tirelessly to prove herself, and she did. Today, Brooke, the daughter of a scaffolder and a cook from Rochester, Kent, who got a place at stage school after watching Fame on television, is a radio presenter on Heart FM and a regular panelist on ITV's Loose Women. It's also just been revealed that she'll take part in this year's I'm a Celebrity. Alongside her professional evolution, Brooke's unstinting honesty about her changing body, as well as her decision not to have children after miscarriage and her work on her own self worth, has brought her a new credibility and happiness in her personal life. Brooke married model, actor and judo expert Jeremy Parisi in 2022. He says of his wife, everyone knows that Kelly is beautiful, but what they don't know is she's a woman with whom everything is possible. There are no limits. Kelly Brook, welcome to how to Fame.

[Kelly Brook]

That makes me cry. And we've only just started. Oh, Kenny.

[Elizabeth Day]

I thought that was such a gorgeous thing for him to say.

[Kelly Brook]

That is so sweet. He says that to me a lot.

[Elizabeth Day]

Do you agree with him?

[Kelly Brook]

I never thought about it until I met him and I realized how much we put limitations on ourselves as people and maybe how much limitation he'd put on himself. And I think when he met me, I think we gave each other confidence to just live our dreams and to do things maybe we wouldn't have done before. So likewise. I think he makes me feel like anything's possible, so I think it's a mutual thing.

[Elizabeth Day]

Tell me the story of how you met, because it's one of my favourite. Meet cutes.

[Kelly Brook]

We met. This is so funny. I was living in Los Angeles and my girlfriend and I were studying martial arts to keep fit. And one night we went home, we were watching some martial arts videos and I saw a picture of him and it just had this headline like, Jeremy Parisi, like Judo Champion. And I just thought he was the most beautiful looking man I'd ever seen. And I just started following him on Instagram and he followed me back and we started chatting and we literally just were friends for like six months, just kind of talking about fitness and health and what we were doing. And then when I finally came back to London, I said, why don't you just come over and visit and spend the weekend with us in London and come out with me and my friends. And we kept it really casual. So we were friends for quite a long time before it became romantic, which was nice.

[Elizabeth Day]

But we've met before. I interviewed you for a newspaper in 2009 and I really liked you then. And I have actually always felt so happy, like, watching your progress. And it strikes me that in your relationship with Jaremi, I think you have what I have in My now relationship with Justin, which is a feeling of safety and acceptance of who you actually are rather than who you might have been performing before. Yes. Does that track with you?

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, absolutely. I think when I met my husband, it was just. I wasn't ready for it, and I actually didn't accept it for about two years. I just assumed that at some point, you know, I was gonna see kind of cracks in the relationship and see him for who he really was and the fact that he just wanted to be with a famous woman or, you know, all of these things that I'd kind of dealt with in previous relationships. And it was just. He used to say to me, I don't know what. What you're expecting. Like, this is me. Like, I love you and I want to be with you. And he didn't just say it. It was how he portrayed his love through his actions. He didn't speak English when we met. His, you know, English is his third language. He learned English fluently. He just made so many sacrifices to be with me, which were, in my eyes, just the sheer definition of love. Whereas anyone can say it. I mean, we're 10 years in now, and unfortunately, when it's right, it goes by so quickly. That's the only downside with me in the love of your life. And you're like, oh, wow. God, the time is really flying by, and I think we try and as much time together as possible and try and do everything together to keep the family together. And, yeah, it's just been the most incredible 10 years of my life.

[Elizabeth Day]

Well, having said that about spending time together, you were about to spend three weeks apart, hopefully because you were about to fly to Australia to take part in this year's I'm a Celebrity. Get me out of here.

[Kelly Brook]

Yes.

[Elizabeth Day]

Congratulations on being cast.

[Kelly Brook]

Thank you.

[Elizabeth Day]

Now, you did say that you'd never do I'm a celebrity. Back in 2018, you were quoted as saying you'd never do it. So what's changed?

[Kelly Brook]

Okay, what changed? Really good question. A friend of mine got asked to have a meeting with the producers of I'm a Celebrity, and they told me that they were meeting for this show, and I said, you have to do it. It will be the most amazing thing. I absolutely love watching that show. Oh, my God. You'll have the most. What an incredible life experience. Like, you're just going to be so great on it. And I was saying all of this and then thinking to myself afterwards, well, why can't I give myself that advice? How do I find it so easy to give someone else, like, life adv. But I never follow my own. And I realized it was just basically out of fear. And I thought to myself, do you know what? It's about time that I kind of live my don't give a damn era. And so I started thinking about it and I thought maybe I should meet the producers of this show and maybe I should find out what it's all about. And I do love the show anyway. And luckily enough there was a space and they gave it to me.

[Elizabeth Day]

So I'm so excited to see you on screen. Now, we're not allowed to talk about any other rumored castmates, but can you tell me about what you're doing to prepare?

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, anything. A lot of body lasering, a lot of hair removal. Because I don't think there'll be much of that going on. What am I doing to prepare? I've cut out the coffee. Cause I think that would be a big thing for me, just not having caffeine. It's funny day to day things that you are kind of hooked on, like caffeine, sugar, things like that. I love cooking for myself. I love to eat, I love a glass of wine. So I'm just kind of winding down all of those things that are kind of of my comfort here, you know, that I'm not gonna have there. So that's really mostly what I've been doing and just kind of getting my head around it and watching trials back on the television, just reruns to see what I'll be doing.

[Elizabeth Day]

What are you most nervous about?

[Kelly Brook]

I mean, I'm terrified of everything. I think as I've got older, I've got more phobias. I'm even scared to get the tube at like Leicester Square and go up that escalator. Cause it's too steep for me. I wait for someone to be behind me and in front of me. Like I'm sandwiched. So I think I'm scared of heights, I'm scared of snakes, I'm sc. Like all of those things. I don't mind them in like small doses, but the fact that they're gonna be running all over me on me is like terrifying. But I'm happy to kind of just face my phobias. I think it'll be quite empowering.

[Elizabeth Day]

Are you scared of your fellow celebrities? By which I mean, like, because it's very intense spending what could be three weeks with people you might not know or you might know a bit or. And there's probably a lot of ego in the jungle.

[Kelly Brook]

Yeah. I Mean, I do think that it is down to the group you're with, isn't it? I mean, I do hope that we have a really good group. I'm not a lazy person, so I love to cook, I love to clean, I love to muck in. I mean, I get bored really easily, so that won't be a problem for me. Yeah, I just hope that we just have a really good group and have.

[Elizabeth Day]

A really good laugh and. Are you worried about having to give up your phone?

[Kelly Brook]

That actually not so much because Jeremy and I did a show called Race across the World and we gave up our phones for five weeks and it was really liberating. And I actually stopped having headaches. Cause I sometimes get like headaches from being on. Everything's on your phone now, isn't it? Not really. I think that's. It's like being a kid again, isn't it? Just imagine like your day to day grind of what we have to do. Go to work, take the dog out, do the washing, you know, all that day to day chores, like all of that goes out the window and you just get to like lay in a hammock for five weeks and just like light a fire and do a few trials. How hard can it be?

[Elizabeth Day]

Well, I can't wait to see you on our screen. So the first episode is Sunday 16th November and I'm so delighted that you've come on how to Fail. Cause it's the first time you're actually talking about it it publicly.

[Kelly Brook]

Yes, it is.

[Elizabeth Day]

So thank you for choosing us.

[Kelly Brook]

It's an exclusive.

[Elizabeth Day]

Yay. I also really appreciate this idea that you're entering your era of giving less of a fuck.

[Kelly Brook]

Absolutely.

[Elizabeth Day]

Than people think. Now remind me of your age.

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, I'll be 46 when I'm 46.

[Elizabeth Day]

Best age. So is it something about being in your 40s that you think has been empowering in that regard?

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And I think. But also I think there was a lot of things I wanted to do in my life. And you know, in a long career, you know, there's certain things that you would choose to do that would stop you doing other things you want to do. And I always felt like maybe television or reality television would kind of derail that. So there was. There's a lot of snobbery in our business. I'm not a snob when it comes to work. I think what anyone that wants to work is like is fantastic and all work's great work. But in our business it's never seemed like that So I think this has come around at the right time where I feel like I've ticked a lot of those boxes and I've done a lot of those things that I wanted to do. And now with something like I'm a celebrity, it's like the right time, you know, it's like, who cares? I've done it. I've been in the theater. You know, I've got a great radio show. I've been to America. Like, I've done so much that I just feel like now I want to do something for me.

[Elizabeth Day]

Well, that idea of all work being good work actually brings us onto your first failure. And I have to say, Kelly, Brooke, these are some absolute humdingers in terms of failures. They are so profound and we're gonna get so deep with them. And I'm really grateful to you for giving this the thought that you clearly have.

[Kelly Brook]

And thank you for the free therapy.

[Elizabeth Day]

Oh my gosh, anytime. That's the biggest compliment you could pay me. So don't worry. There's a box of tissues right there.

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[Elizabeth Day]

Okay, so your first failure is your failure to acknowledge success. And you said to me that you feel like this comes from working class guilt. So talk to me a little bit about that and about your childhood and how the value of work was talked about in your home.

[Kelly Brook]

So my dad was a very hard worker. He was a scaffolder and worked every day right up until the day he died. And, you know, I came from a very normal working class background, but success came to me very quickly. So even though we. We all worked hard as a family, there was never a lot of money there. So we were. We were quite poor growing up. Like, we didn't have a lot. You know, we had enough, but we didn't have a lot. And there were a lot of problems in the house in terms of, like, drinking, for example. Like, my mum and dad would drink a lot. They would sometimes fight. You know, I've talked about that quite a lot in, in the book that I released a few years ago. So there was a lot of things that were happening that I thought being young and naive was a result of us being poor. And I thought if I was to work hard and be successful and make money, then that would change all of that and actually it would make things better. And then obviously, when success comes to you quick and money comes to you quick, you know, my first TV job, I was 18 and I had money and I had success, and you realize that that actually doesn't change those things. You know, people are people. They're always gonna be those people. And you can't change people or dynamics. It's quite a. Quite a big wake up call. And to have that quite early on was quite significant for me. Some of your childhood, you kind of wanna remove yourself from. And getting into showbiz and performing does remove. And so it's a lovely world that you create. And my mom would call it Kelly's World. Oh, it's all right for you in Kelly's World. But that's really alienating and quite a lonely place to be in Kelly's World. So straddling Kelly's World and then having a relationship with your family, and it's something I still struggle with. Now.

[Elizabeth Day]

That phrase, Kelly's World, also sounds like it can be quite diminishing.

[Kelly Brook]

It's just like. It's like you're just on another planet. You're someone else now. You're like, oh, you're just you're in your own world. It's like we don't relate to you anymore. That's what you do, you know, and when your family are doing that, it's so upsetting because, you know, I want to be with my family more than I want to be in Kelly's world. But, you know, this career and this path I've chosen is, you know, given me all these opportunities, wealth, you know, things that I could have, you know, beyond my wildest dreams. And to be made to feel guilty, to enjoy those things was really difficult.

[Elizabeth Day]

And you got your first job, I think, when you were 16, is that right? Yes.

[Kelly Brook]

Yes.

[Elizabeth Day]

Okay. So this was all happening when you were really young as well, and when you were also. Adolescents are trying to find their own identities within and without the family unit. What was your first job?

[Kelly Brook]

My first job was glamour modeling. It was on a. It was a swimwear shoot in Portugal on a beach with amateur photographers, not even professional photographers. And they would pay to take pictures of you in your bikini. That was a job?

[Elizabeth Day]

Yeah. And you were 16?

[Kelly Brook]

I was 16.

[Elizabeth Day]

How did that feel?

[Kelly Brook]

Strange. Quite strange. But, you know, I kind of had to grow up really quickly. You know, I mean, I went to school in London from the age of 11. I would get on the train every day, and, you know, I was very. I was very grown up for my age. I think I had to grow up really quickly. I didn't have much of a childhood. Childhood in terms of that. Like, it was like, you know, going to school in London was quite a big deal, and I wasn't chaperoned or anything, so I always felt older than my years and quite mature for my years anyway. But being sexualized like that at such a young age was very uncomfortable. I've never felt like a sexy woman. I've never. I'm like a clown. I like to make people laugh. I like to have egg on my face. Like, I'm. I'm, like, quirky in that respect. So to be sexualized and to be seen as sexy was just a bit of a strange thing that didn't really resonate with my soul. You know, my physical appearance and my soul are like two different things. So that's kind of interesting.

[Elizabeth Day]

Very interesting. Cause it was also your ticket out. So I imagine you wanted to pursue it, even though it wasn't necessarily aligned with your soul's purpose.

[Kelly Brook]

No, I think. No, no, it was. That job actually was. Yeah, it was something that came along through someone that knew my mother at the time, actually. So that wasn't something that I necessarily pursued. But yeah, having. Having an agent was something that was really good. I got a model agent from the age of, like, 16. She was a lady called Samantha Bond and she looked after a lot of glamour models. I couldn't really sign with a fashion agency at that time because I was very curvy. And I remember going into the agency in my school uniform and I said, I won't do Page Three and I won't do topless, but I'll definitely do lingerie and swimwear. Like, I was very happ. And they booked me for lots of different jobs. I did pop videos and commercials and all sorts of things. So I had a couple of years of working quite a lot and really enjoying myself and doing quite well.

[Elizabeth Day]

And at the height of this phase of your life, you were so famous and regarded by so many people, both men and women, as, like, the ideal of what a woman should look like. What was that like for you when you were just going about your daily business and walking down the street? Would you have people come up to you and say, you're FHM's most sexy woman in the world? Like, what?

[Kelly Brook]

Do you know what, Elizabeth? Like, sitting here now as 46 years old, if I had my head and could put it on that body and that person, I mean, can you imagine? Like, the world's your oyster. Unfortunately, it never matches up like that, does it? Like, you don't feel that in your head. Like you can't. Like even you saying that now, I'm like, I guess I was, wasn't I? But I don't ever remember having those moments, ever thinking that or feeling that. And also in the 90s, don't forget, like, being really thin was very fashionable. Like, being curvy wasn't fashionable. So it was only really the lads, Mags and fhm, Maxim, all those kind of magazines that were celebrating curvy girls. So. And I aspired to be in Vogue and Cosmo and Glamour magazine and those magazines, the magazines I read. So for me it was just a job. I remember when I was trying to buy my first flat and I was driving around South London and I was going in different flats, having a look, and I remember walking into the bedroom of a teenage boy's bedroom and my poster was on the wall and just being absolutely mortified and. And it never even dawned on me that that poster would go on a wall. Like, I know that sounds crazy, but it was. I'd turn up, do the shoot, go home, and they didn't really think about the Pictures or where they went or who bought those magazines. I just didn't ever think about it.

[Elizabeth Day]

The 90s were a time that they're undergoing a bit of a cultural re evaluation at the moment. Like what we put women through in the 90s. It's astonishing that anyone with a profile managed to survive that decade. How do you feel about the 90s and the 90s treatment of women in the public eye now, looking back with your 46 year old head?

[Kelly Brook]

It's really hard, isn't it? Because you look back and you think, I mean, I work with young people now at the radio and I see how sensitive the younger generations are and rightly so, and how they don't tolerate it. And it upsets me that in the 90s that we did tolerate it, you know, but we didn't really have a voice, you know, we didn't have social media back then. So the media really dictated everyone's opinion about who you were, they dictated your career, they dictated everything. When social media came along, it kind of humanized us in a way that had never happened before because all of a sudden we had our voice and we could talk and say what we felt and what was going on and it's just changed the whole landscape. Yeah, looking back, it was just dominated, wasn't it, by cruel writers, bullies, really. Trolls. It's like that's the equivalent of now, isn't it? Yeah, you know, the trolling. But it wasn't kind of in the forums, it was, you know, like headlines.

[Elizabeth Day]

How much of this failure to acknowledge success is about a need to be relatable? I put that in quotation marks or likable, like a need to be accepted.

[Kelly Brook]

Still, the failure to acknowledge success also comes from, you know, criticism, you know, people telling you you're not very good, you know, all of that. So if you read that enough, you start to believe it anyway. I mean, I think Elton John said once, there's nothing that keeps you more grounded than reading your own reviews for things like keeps your feet on the ground. It's a very British thing, isn't it? You know, I think when I went to America that was a big eye opener for me, you know, because I think the American culture is to always, you know, big yourself up and to, you know, be your own biggest fan, really. And I just don't think we have that in the uk. So because I've lived in America and in the uk, you know, over the years, I do try to aspire to be more American sometimes. And I think it's okay. To kind of tap yourself on the back sometimes and say, yeah, you've smashed it. You've done a really good job. But I do struggle with it. It's not my comfortable place, I have to say.

[Elizabeth Day]

So you've said it's not your comfort zone. I'm about to do a horrible thing and put you in an uncomfortable place and ask you about success. What for you do you think success is now?

[Kelly Brook]

My marriage. My marriage is just the best thing in my life. Yeah. Just being able to have a happy, healthy marriage with somebody that I love dearly. Like, it just. It's like that comes. That's my top priority above everything. In the past, I would be very selfish when it came to work. You know, work was such a big driver for me, and I never thought about my relationships in those moments when I was making decisions. And that was a default, really. I should have done. I should have been a bit more considerate to my partners. I should have been a lot more considerate. But I was young and selfish, and I just don't feel like I'm in that place now. I just feel like when you meet someone that you really, truly love, you just want to make sure that all your decisions that they're considered.

[Elizabeth Day]

So, yeah, if anyone is listening to this and they are in the kind of wilderness of dating and they've gone through failed relationships, they don't think they're gonna meet the person, and they're wondering what to do and what advice they could hear from someone who has found the person. What would you say to them? What would you say to your younger self who might never have believed that she would meet Jeremy?

[Kelly Brook]

I would say, just give people a chance. You know, sometimes the people at the most unexpected are sometimes the ones that are the right ones. And, you know, with Jeremy, he didn't even speak English when we met. My mother said that was part of our success in the beginning. That's why he stayed around so long. But, yeah, I would say just persevere. I know people's. I know this is a cliche when people say it takes work. And I never really understood what that meant because I thought. Well, I thought that meant chemistry. Like, you've got to work on chemistry or, you know, that sexual attraction. I thought, well, if you have to work on that, it's not there. And I don't think it's work in terms of that, because I think that thing comes and goes in waves anyway throughout relationships. I think the work comes from. Yeah, just being more considerate of them and Showing up for them, you know, as well as not losing yourself in that process.

[Elizabeth Day]

I could not agree more. So I met Justin, my now husband, on Hinge, this dating app, and the. And I met him because I changed my parameters. So I, like, up the age limit, even though he's not, like, 85 or anything. And if I hadn't changed those parameters and that checklist, then I would never have found him. Yeah. So I think that's great advice.

[Kelly Brook]

Yeah. My friend said to me, he's like, kelly, you tell me what you want, but what you do is completely different. And I was like, oh. Cause you sit there, you're like, I just want a really nice man.

[Elizabeth Day]

I loved your impression of the friends.

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, no. Yeah, Randall, he just told me one day over lunch. He just told me as it was.

[Elizabeth Day]

That's hilarious. Okay, well, let's get onto your second failure, which is, as you said, kind of connected to this, which is failure to put up boundaries.

[Kelly Brook]

Yes.

[Elizabeth Day]

So did that start with your family?

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I think it starts with reading reviews as well, for work. Like, you know, put up that boundary. You know, you don't need to. You don't need to let that into your. Into your headspace. You know, you don't want that living rent free that you're terrible and no good at your job. So that can. You can park. That family is a really interesting one because boundaries definitely have to be put up there, because mothers and daughters, as you know, there's. There's few boundaries there. So my mum had me when she was very young. Like, she was 17. So I grew up with a very young mother. Like, sometimes I feel like we're more sisters than, like, mother, daughter, and. Yeah, I think just always wanting that kind of validation that every. All your decisions have to be run through your family. And. And getting into that kind of codependent routine is not healthy. So I think when I got into my mid-30s and all of that back and forth hadn't served me, I just had to put up a boundary and make my own decisions and just kind of stick with it. Like putting up boundaries, knowing that those people might fall away, you know, in terms of friendships as well. You know, I've lost a lot of friendships over the years because of certain things that have happened. And you just think that just doesn't serve me anymore. That's not helping me grow. And I think people get scared when you grow, and it looks like you're kind of changing. You know, I think people like you to stay who they think they Know.

[Elizabeth Day]

I'm very interested in how in your first failure, we spoke a little bit about the need to be likable and accepted. And I think there's a misconception that lots of people think that putting a boundary up makes you unlikable or selfish in some way. What would you say to them? Like, what have you learned about boundaries and how to implement them? Because I think a lot of people, particularly women, find it very difficult.

[Kelly Brook]

It's not like you don't want to be there for people or acknowledge people's, you know, issues or struggles or whatever people are going through, but it can't be to the detriment of you. And I think that's. That can sometimes be where you kind of fall down. And I think I'm such a people. I have been in the past such a people pleaser and, you know, wanting to be friends with everyone and wanting to be there for everyone and not putting myself first, and it hasn't served me. So, unfortunately, as I get older, I've become more of a selfish bitch and I don't really care anymore.

[Elizabeth Day]

That'll be the episode title. Thanks very much, Kelly.

[Kelly Brook]

Sorry.

[Elizabeth Day]

How did that play out in romantic relationships before Jaremi?

[Kelly Brook]

I think definitely in my first relationship, there was definitely elements of codependency, and there was elements of me putting my career and my life on hold. I had a really good job at mtv. I remember I was hosting a daily show there, and it was just after I'd got fired off the Big Breakfast, and I got a really great show there, and I was there for about a year, and my boyfriend at the time was an actor, and I remember he, you know, got offered a few roles in things, you know, as like a bouncer on the door in EastEnders doing something. And he had so much talent and charisma, and I was like, you know what? We just gotta go to America. I just think it's gonna be like the making of us if we just go. But I had this really good job and we had no money, and I quit my job and we went and I kind of was, like, there as this kind of, like, support network for him and watched his career flourish, whereas mine kind of floundered a bit because I didn't have the same opportunities. And I was just kind of flying back and forth between the UK and la, and it was quite taxing and expensive, and it was exhausting. And his career just took off and it just became, like, the most incredible thing. But because I did so much and didn't look after myself, I just felt so neglected in that dynamic and to the point where I actually fell out of love with him in the end because he hadn't showed up for me. Like I'd showed up for him. I didn't feel so. So we broke up, and I think he just turned around to me and was like, why are you leaving now? Like, look, like, I'm a movie star and I'm a millionaire. Like, why now? And I was like, you just didn't. You just haven't been there. Like, you haven't been there for me. And I need to become a woman. Like, during this process, I've kind of become a woman. And, you know, I don't think you know who I am anymore. Like, you know the girl that quit MTV and came with you, but. But you don't know the woman. And so it was just a really hard time. But I think that was the first time where I really kind of did something for myself, and it was the best decision. Oh, my God. The best decision.

[Elizabeth Day]

That's an amazing story. Thank you for sharing it.

[Kelly Brook]

That's okay. Hates me.

[Elizabeth Day]

This person was at Jason Statham.

[Kelly Brook]

It was. Okay, fine. It was. I think everyone kind of knows. I know, because when it was public. I'm not saying anything that isn't in the public domain anyway.

[Elizabeth Day]

People might not relate to having dated Jason Statham, but people can so relate to what you've just said there. And I think there's. It's so powerful, finally, to get to that point where you're like, actually, if I stay here, I'm going to lose myself. And being true to yourself, being more important than keeping the peace.

[Kelly Brook]

Yeah, absolutely. Because I could have stayed there and, you know, lived the life and. But I, I, I just. I needed to grow as a. As a woman, as a person. I needed my own career. I needed to have other relationships. You know, I think I broke both of our hearts in that situation. And then I then went on and had my heart broken by somebody. And I needed to learn that because all of that has led me to, you know, my relationship now with Jeremy. And that's why I hold it so sacred. Like, I would never want to hurt him. And I think, likewise, he would never want to hurt me. So you just protect it. And it's only until you've broken a heart or had your heart broken that you have that kind of feeling. I think you've got to go through it all.

[Elizabeth Day]

Did you ever have the experience of dating someone who wanted to date Kelly Brooke, the model and TV presenter? And did you feel the pressure of living up to that rather than being Kelly Brooke human?

[Kelly Brook]

I think in my 30s, I dated a lot of younger guys. I do think that that kind of was like more my like maternal side coming out. When I look back, I think what was that whole era about? That was an interesting chapter. Yeah. Because I didn't have children or anything. I think my kind of maternal, nurturing side definitely was being exploited in that moment. So, yeah, I definitely think those guys were probably with me for the fact that I was on television and a famous woman. But then likewise, you know, I got to mother them. So it works both ways. Whatever. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Elizabeth Day]

We were chatting before we started recording about the time that I first met you and you were dating a 21 year old rugby player.

[Kelly Brook]

Yes, yes. I was like, when I read that back like 15 years later, I was like, what the hell was I thinking? But yeah, I mean, shortly after that I did, you know, try to have a family. So I was definitely. That was definitely scratching at the kind of maternal side of me for sure. Yes.

[Elizabeth Day]

Well, when we met, it was 2009 and the other thing that you were grappling with then was that you had lost your dad just two years earlier. And I wanted to ask you about that. And first of all, you say again that I'm so sorry for your loss because at the time when all of this was happening in your life, to lose someone so dear to you must have been incredibly difficult. What do you think he would have made of Jeremy?

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, he would have loved Jeremy. Yeah. My dad would have loved Jeremy so much. Yeah. Gosh, that was such a difficult time. That was such a lot to navigate. Especially when you lose parents really young and none of your friends have been through that. And I just don't think you ever really understand what people are going through until you've been through it, unfortunately. So it was like, oh, you know, like Kelly's father passed away, but, you know, let's all go out clubbing now. It's just like life kind of just continues and you're just in this like whirlwind. I think when we met I must have been probably about eight stone. I just remember being so thin and weak and just sad. I just remember that I know that.

[Elizabeth Day]

Grief is not linear and it never goes away. How are you with your grief now?

[Kelly Brook]

Yeah, I've come to terms with it. I think I'm happy that my mum has moved on and she's found happiness with somebody else. So that's good. The Downside to that is I feel more removed from her now as well, because obviously now she's got a new family. So I think when you lose someone as significant as your dad, and my dad was really the glue to our family, it all feels a bit kind of fragmented and a bit. Everyone kind of goes off. And I think the dynamic of the family never really recovers from that. So that's been really difficult to adjust to. Like, Christmases are never the same. It's just not that. It's just not the same. But I'm happy that she's happy. That's good. But, yeah, I mean, I miss my dad every day.

[Elizabeth Day]

You mentioned there that when you look back at photos of yourself when you were in real pain and you were about eight stone, you see an unhappy young woman. I'm very wary of bringing this up because we're all sick of talking about it, and yet it's so important. And I wonder if you could talk to me about changing bodies. Do you mind my asking about it?

[Kelly Brook]

No, no.

[Elizabeth Day]

Because, you know, you and I both remember the 90s. We both came of age in the 90s, and I had felt like we were past that. Like, past that desire for thinness, past that desire to, like, shrink ourselves. And yet with weight loss jabs, and I'm not including people who are on weight loss jabs for health reasons, but it feels like there's a lot of that noise that has come back again with a vengeance, and I wonder how you navigate all of that.

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, well, I was offered Mounjaro literally last week by a doctor.

[Elizabeth Day]

Wow.

[Kelly Brook]

Isn't that insane?

[Elizabeth Day]

That that's.

[Kelly Brook]

Isn't that insane?

[Elizabeth Day]

So upsetting. Kelly.

[Kelly Brook]

I know.

[Elizabeth Day]

That is insane. And I.

[Kelly Brook]

Look, I'm all for. I love facials. I love, you know, massage. You know, I have a little bit of Botox here because I frown a lot. So, you know, I do. I do do things, but when it comes to my body, I'm really precious about my body. I love my body. I absolutely love my body. I ran a marathon this year, and I'm 45 years old.

[Elizabeth Day]

Incredible.

[Kelly Brook]

My body has got me through so many things, and I just love my curves. I love. My husband loves my curves. I just think it's just unfortunate that women feel the need to change who they are.

[Elizabeth Day]

And what did you say to that doctor?

[Kelly Brook]

I said, what do I need that for?

[Elizabeth Day]

What did they say?

[Kelly Brook]

He said, everyone's on it. And I said, well, I'm not on it. And I said, what are the side effects? He goes, oh, there aren't anything I said. Well, I, you know, and then, yeah, there was a whole conversation. I don't comply. He knows I don't comply because they try to give me all sorts of things. I'm like, nope, nope. No, I know what I like.

[Elizabeth Day]

I wonder if how you feel about your body, as I do feel about my own body, is related to your third failure, which is something that I can't wait to talk to you about because I've been on a similar path. And your third failure, as you put it, it is the failure of not starting a family.

[Kelly Brook]

Yes.

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[Elizabeth Day]

Now, were you someone who grew up wanting to be a mother?

[Kelly Brook]

No, I don't think I ever wanted to be a mother. I think that comes from having to grow up very quickly as a, as a young girl and not having the most healthiest relationship with my mother and her not having a healthy relationship with her mother. Cause it's all, you know, it all trickles down, doesn't it? So I think by the time it got to me, I just didn't want any part of that kind of mother, daughter or relationship. So I didn't see that in part of my plan at all. But then in my 30s, I got pregnant and it was with somebody that I hadn't been with for very long. And it was really a case of like, well, I'm in my 30s, this might be my last roll of the dice. Maybe I should just do this. He's a nice guy. You know, maybe this is it. Maybe it's that kind of, you know, whole, like, kind of taxi, like, thing goes off and this is what we're gonna do. And my partner at the time really wanted to have the baby, and I got my head around it, and we moved forward with that, and that was a decision we made. And then, lo and behold, I had a miscarriage at six months, which was the most traumatic, horrific thing that I've ever been through. And it was just the most devastating thing. And it took me quite a long time for my body and for everything to kind of. I don't think you ever fully recover from that, but. But our relationship didn't survive that. And I just had to kind of pick myself back up and just kind of move forward. And I just think I was so traumatized by it. I just never even wanted to try again. I just thought, it's not in my. It's not in my world. I just don't want to go through that again.

[Elizabeth Day]

Callie, I'm so sorry.

[Kelly Brook]

Did you not know that I did.

[Elizabeth Day]

Not know it was at six months?

[Kelly Brook]

Yes, it was.

[Elizabeth Day]

Because I do know that you have to go through the process of giving birth.

[Kelly Brook]

Yeah. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Yeah.

[Elizabeth Day]

Tell me if this is too much or too intrusive. Did you give your baby a name and did you bury your baby?

[Kelly Brook]

I went through the birth because it was, for me, something that we did together, me and the baby. We had to finish. I didn't want any medical intervention in that. I wanted to go through that myself. And the baby was born sleeping, obviously. So I was asked for a name. I hadn't had an. I didn't have a name, and at that point, I didn't want to have a name. So it was. It's just a way of me coping. And I know so many women deal with this in so many different ways, and I was told that I would regret that, and I should really have a name, and I should have footprints and all of these handprints and all of these things, and I just chose not to. And at the time, miscarriage wasn't something we talked about. It really wasn't something we talked about. It was something that you kind of hid away. It felt like you'd failed. It was very shameful. And I didn't know anyone else that had been through that. Everyone I'd known that had got pregnant had their baby. But I think because I'm no longer with that partner now, and out of respect to my husband now, I think it's. It's kind of something I've had to just kind of draw a line under, and I treat it like a miscarriage. Even though it was more than that, I have to treat it like a miscarriage because it's the only way I can cope. Because I just don't know how I could get through every day if I didn't. I'm so sorry.

[Elizabeth Day]

I'm so sorry for you. I'm so sorry for you. And I'm so struck by that phrase that it was something you and the baby had to go through together. And that for me, makes you a mother. And there are so many different ways to mother and parent in this world and that's how you show up. And there's so much misplaced shame that women carry that you've expressed so powerfully there. And I'm really sorry that you had to deal with that as well. And you're right, it wasn't spoken about very much.

[Kelly Brook]

No. And that's why I'm speaking about it now, because not everyone feels the same about miscarriage and not everyone has the same experience as the next person. And I felt guilty about that A lot of the time. I'd see women in the public eye and they did have names for their babies and they do mark the occasion every year and they do this and I, I don't do that. And I felt like, is there something wrong with me? Like, am I, is there something missing? Am I, do I not feel, do I not have empathy? Am I like, is there nothing inside? And it's. And it's actually nothing to do with that because I'm still here and I've got to face every day and get through every day. So I have to do what I have to do to get through every day.

[Elizabeth Day]

Well, it's resonating very deeply with me, actually, because I'm finding this conversation really healing in a way I didn't know that I needed.

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, really?

[Elizabeth Day]

Yes, in the sense that I think I've had three miscarriages much earlier than yours. And I think I did similar things in that I went into a state of denial and didn't allow myself to think of them as children. And then you have that associated guilt that you've expressed of, well, does that mean I'm not maternal? And maybe the universe is saying to me again and again, you're not maternal and that's why you don't deserve to be a mother. And we are so punishing to ourselves and so self critical. And it's taken me years to be at peace with that. And actually you've really helped me identify that because it's actually not. I don't think it is that we didn't care enough. It's that we care too much, possibly, to allow ourselves that. Wishful thinking.

[Kelly Brook]

Possibly.

[Elizabeth Day]

And a bit like you, I've decided to be at peace with the fact that I won't be a mother in the biological, conventional sense. And like you, I'm very passionate in talking about it because I want women to know that there is hope and joy and peace and fulfillment on the other side of it. Whereas so often, even now, we're still taught, well, if you. If you haven't managed this thing, then you're not a full woman, which is not the case.

[Kelly Brook]

But like you said, we did manage it, you know, to a degree.

[Elizabeth Day]

Yes, well put.

[Kelly Brook]

Yeah, exactly. It's just our. It wasn't the traditional sense that kind of followed, but we've been. Yeah, we've been through the experience and it's. And we've come out the other side.

[Elizabeth Day]

I don't know if the. This tracks with you, but I do have a kind of spiritual belief and I do believe in other lives and alternative lives. So I'm not a mother in the conventional sense this lifetime, but perhaps I was in a past one and perhaps I will be again in another, and that gives me a great deal of solace as well.

[Kelly Brook]

Do you have a dog?

[Elizabeth Day]

I have a cat.

[Kelly Brook]

There you go.

[Elizabeth Day]

Who is like, he's the dog wrapped up in a cat's body. I love him so much and I have loads. I'm sure you do as well. I have loads of children in my life. I have nieces and godchildren and all of that.

[Kelly Brook]

I mean, you can be a nurturer of so many different things.

[Elizabeth Day]

Totally.

[Kelly Brook]

I feel that I got into gardening after my miscarriage. I became an obsessive gardener. It brought out some really amazing things in my life that I would never have even thought would be possible.

[Elizabeth Day]

Well, gardening is nurturing and growing and creating, so that makes total sense.

[Kelly Brook]

Yeah, yeah.

[Elizabeth Day]

You've identified this as a failure. Do you feel it as a failure still?

[Kelly Brook]

I do feel that as a failure because that was my baby and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. I do. Because even though I probably wouldn't still be with the father, and I kind of always knew that in the back of my mind that that relationship probably wasn't going to be long term. Like, I do feel like I would have been a good mum.

[Elizabeth Day]

Oh, my gosh, you would have been. And you are, in so many ways. Like, I get such strong mothering energy from you. I really do. In the next life, Kelly. In the next life, and you know what? You are living a big life and a meaningful life, and you sharing this is, in and of itself an act of mothering for people who are listening or watching, who have been through something similar. They will feel so seen and held in your words.

[Kelly Brook]

I hope so.

[Elizabeth Day]

They will. I promise. I guarantee it. I really do.

[Kelly Brook]

I really hope so. And I think we're living in such a beautiful time where, you know, we can just be our authentic selves. And I think, you know, I really feel like this is the time to. I just want to help other women and just, you know, know, just. I think talking about things and being open about things is the most healing and cathartic thing. And, you know, it's never going to change it, but, you know, it. It's okay to feel pain, but it's also okay to move on with your life. Yeah. And not feel guilty about that. I've never felt guilty about moving on with my life, but I can't say that, you know, I'm not devastated that that happened to me, and I would do anything to change that. Yeah, I would. But, you know, we can't control these things. So.

[Elizabeth Day]

Thank you so much for talking about that. That's so, so useful.

[Kelly Brook]

I wasn't gonna cry. I'm sorry I made you cry. It's so hard not to. But I feel like it's. Like, it's important to talk about it because I know so many women go.

[Elizabeth Day]

Through it, and I think it's important to talk about, to give respect to our babies. Like, I actually think that's a really meaningful legacy.

[Kelly Brook]

Absolutely.

[Elizabeth Day]

You said you had something on your phone you might want to read. Oh, I'm just aware of what it.

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, it was something I was thinking about last night, and I was thinking about the kind of. I see, like, life sometimes in chapters. You know, I live so. You. Well, we all live so many different chapters in our lives, and we go through so many different. Different things. And I was thinking about the chapter I'm in now, and I don't know if this resonates with you, but like I said before, it's that kind of don't give a damn era. So it's characterized by things like confidence over consensus, doing what feels right and not what's expected of you. And I think that's where I'm at right now, doing just what feels right, not what people want or what you should be doing, just going with your gut and trusting that. Like, we just spoke about authenticity over image, showing the real you, flaws and all. Yeah. This is something I would never have talked about 10 years ago. There's no way I would have been able to be this vulnerable and. And show my true self. There's no way. So I think things like your podcast allows us to do this in a safe space because it really. It's about feeling safe and about being able to open up, up. And there's not really been many places that you can do that, you know, in the public eye. Freedom over fear. Saying no without guilt and yes without hesitation. Creative boldness, experimenting, breaking down your own rules and not caring if everyone gets it. So there's just some things I'm trying to live by.

[Elizabeth Day]

Oh, my God, that is so good. I want that to be the mantra of how to fail.

[Kelly Brook]

You can have it.

[Elizabeth Day]

Oh, my. So good. Confidence over consensus. Would you send it and we can put it in the.

[Kelly Brook]

I really hope. Yeah.

[Elizabeth Day]

Kelly Brook's guide to life. I'm so excited for the remainder of your 40s. I feel like you're only just getting started.

[Kelly Brook]

That's how I feel, to be honest.

[Elizabeth Day]

Yeah. I think you are an amazing person, and we are so lucky to exist in a time when you are on our screens.

[Kelly Brook]

Oh, thank you.

[Elizabeth Day]

And I can't wait to see you on I'm a Celebrity. And I will be rooting for you and voting for you.

[Kelly Brook]

Thank you.

[Elizabeth Day]

And I wish you the best of luck with all of those, like, kangaroo testicles.

[Kelly Brook]

I mean, it's gonna be such a giggle. I can't wait, honestly, and just go.

[Elizabeth Day]

In there knowing that the true self, the authentic Kelly Brooke that you have shared today, is the most magnificent Kelly Brook. And I can't thank you enough for opening up to me and for our audience because it's been so powerful and so beautiful.

[Kelly Brook]

Thank you. Thank you so much.

[Elizabeth Day]

Can I give you a hard hand?

[Kelly Brook]

Yeah, of course.

[Elizabeth Day]

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