America Is Not A Revolving Door - Live From NatCon

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec

Episode: “America Is Not A Revolving Door – Live From NatCon”
Date: September 4, 2025
Live from: National Conservatism Conference, Washington, D.C.

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Main Theme

This episode, live from the National Conservatism Conference, centers on the concept of national identity, the perils of mass migration and the "blank slate" ideology, and the importance of unity over diversity. Jack Posobiec delivers an impassioned speech arguing that America is not simply defined by geographic borders or legal documents, but by a shared culture, faith, tradition, and people. He and his guests explore the necessity of assimilation, the dangers of open borders, and the need to renew American values—while tying these themes to current events, government policies, and broader debates about what it means to be American.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. What Is National Conservatism? ([03:00]–[07:41])

• Posobiec opens by introducing the conference and the reason for gathering: “What is the biggest one [issue in our country]? The biggest one are these questions of what are nations? Do nations exist? ... I think a nation is its people.”
• He emphasizes that America was forged with purpose and intent, not by accident or economic interests.
• Critiques the idea that anyone can simply become American with a document: “This idea that anyone can magically become an American just because you cross our borders and they hand you a piece of paper is not working.” ([06:31])

Notable Quote

• “Diversity isn’t our strength. Unity is.” – Jack Posobiec ([05:57])
• “A nation is a culture, a history, our faith, our tradition, and our people.” – Jack Posobiec ([14:43])

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2. Rejecting the ‘Blank Slate’ Ideology ([11:14]–[14:37])

• The "blank slate" is dismissed: the notion that any person, from anywhere, can be swapped into American society and instantly ‘become’ American.
• Highlights examples of cultural enclaves replacing national identity, naming cities being transformed by unassimilated migrants.
• Warns that unchecked migration and a lack of assimilation creates “mini nations ... inside our own borders.”

Notable Quotes

• “These people are not American. They do not want to be American. They do not want to assimilate.” – Jack Posobiec ([11:49])
• “Do these mass migrants suddenly erase centuries of culture? ... No, they bring the loyalties with them. They bring the conflicts with them as well.” – Jack Posobiec ([13:37])

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3. Assimilation: The Crucial Issue ([14:37]–[17:40])

• Discusses how technology allows immigrants to maintain connections and allegiances to their home countries rather than assimilating.
• Expresses frustration at enclaves where the American flag is replaced by foreign flags.
• Blames mass migration for societal division and weakened national coherence.
• Names the largest violators of immigration laws: China, India, and Mexico.

Notable Quotes

• “If you want to wave another flag, then you are free to do so on the flight back home. And if you want to burn our flag, you can take a trip to jail.” – Jack Posobiec ([14:49])
• “No more mass migration that turns America into someone else’s homeland. Because what happens if we lose that? ... then there is no America left to save.” – Jack Posobiec ([15:43])

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4. The Immigration Enforcement Argument ([17:40]–[19:56])

• Calls for ending endless temporary visas and cracking down on abuse, particularly from China, India, and Mexico.
• Criticizes the current visa system as “permanent trespass” and labels repeated overstays and fraud as invasion, not immigration.
• Urges tariffs and restrictions for “cheating the system.”

Notable Quotes

• “America is not a revolving door. It is a sovereign nation. It’s really simple.” – Jack Posobiec ([18:31])
• “If you abuse the privileges, you’ll lose them.” – Jack Posobiec ([19:00])

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5. America First & National Renewal ([07:48] & [19:23])

• Posobiec ties his message to the broader “America First” agenda and credits successes in national security and local safety (notably the transformation of Washington, D.C.).
• Praises President Trump and El Salvador’s President Bukele for their crime-fighting approaches as models to follow.

Notable Quote

• “America first is not a slogan, it is a mission.” – Jack Posobiec ([08:50])
• “From now on, folks, we will put American workers first, we will put American families first, and we will put the American nation first.” – Jack Posobiec ([19:25])

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6. Conversation with Kelly Loeffler, SBA Administrator ([22:56]–[38:34])

Key Points ([22:56–38:34]):

• Recaps leading the U.S. Presidential delegation to Poland and the strength of U.S.–Polish relations.
• Discusses Poland as a model for integrating faith, culture, and sovereign policy.
• Highlights efforts to end “debanking” (shutting out individuals or businesses from banking services for political/reputational reasons). Trump administration has reversed such practices, including against pro-life or Christian entities.
• SBA is restoring access to federal loans for religious businesses and communities, particularly in disaster-stricken regions.
• Details efforts to revitalize small manufacturing, reduce bureaucracy and spending, cut fraud, and build resilience against predatory international trade practices.
• Rollout of the “Make On-shoring Great Again” SBA portal for domestic component sourcing.
• Notes record-high small business optimism and loan volume in the Trump era.

Notable Quotes

• “Small business is big business. It’s 99% of every business in America.” – Kelly Loeffler ([31:45])
• “Main Street feels heard again. They feel like they have a voice and they feel optimistic.” – Kelly Loeffler ([37:16])
• “President Trump’s fair trade, low tax, low regulation, pro worker policy is going to fuel their business.” – Kelly Loeffler ([37:35])

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7. Discussion with Libby Emmons, Editor-in-Chief, The Post Millennial & Human Events ([39:02]–[48:21])

Key Points:

• Deep dive into the meaning of being an American, critiquing how assimilation is no longer the expectation or norm.
• Contrasts earlier waves of immigrants who “cut ties” with their country of origin with modern migrants who retain language and allegiance.
• Language as a vessel for thought and identity—necessity of English for true assimilation.
• Analogizes the limits of multiculturalism: melting pot turns to “sludge and slop” if everything is mixed aimlessly.
• Critiques the rise of “paperwork Americans”: people with citizenship but without assimilation or commitment to American values.
• Discusses the detrimental impact of liberal globalist policies on American national cohesion.
• Expresses desire for a renewed focus on American founding stories and myths to reinforce shared national culture.

Notable Quotes

• “To be part of American culture, you need to understand English, you need to be thinking in English.” – Libby Emmons ([41:02])
• “If you want to wave another flag, then you are free to do so on the flight back home.” – Jack Posobiec ([14:49], referenced again)
• “American culture used to be identifiable the world over … What happened? … One by one these things were cast off by the mass migration and by the progressive liberal order of this country.” – Libby Emmons ([42:51])
• “There’s this new phrase that’s come up, the paper American or the paperwork American … Someone who’s come to this country, he wasn’t born here, he’s been a citizen for about five minutes, and he immediately starts talking about direct communism.” – Jack Posobiec ([45:58]–[46:20])

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Memorable Moments & Quotes with Timestamps

• “Unity is our strength” – Jack Posobiec ([05:57])
• “A nation is a culture, a history, our faith, our tradition, and our people.” – Jack Posobiec ([14:43])
• “America is not a revolving door. It is a sovereign nation.” – Jack Posobiec ([18:31])
• “Main Street feels heard again. They feel like they have a voice and they feel optimistic.” – Kelly Loeffler ([37:16])
• “To be part of American culture, you need to understand English, you need to be thinking in English.” – Libby Emmons ([41:02])
• “American culture used to be identifiable the world over.” – Libby Emmons ([44:45])
• Humorous exchange about language differences: “They don’t have a difference between finger and toe … finger of the hand and finger of the foot.” – Jack Posobiec ([41:30])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:00]: Introduction to National Conservatism & national identity
• [07:48]: Plenary Speech – America First, national renewal, crime crackdown
• [11:14]: Blank Slate Ideology and Assimilation Issues
• [14:37]: Dangers of Mass Migration & Loss of Unity
• [17:40]: Visa Abuse, National Sovereignty, and Ending “Revolving Door” Immigration
• [22:56]: Interview with SBA Administrator Kelly Loeffler (U.S.–Poland relations, debanking, small business revival, reshoring)
• [39:02]: Discussion with Libby Emmons on American identity, assimilation, multiculturalism, and ‘paperwork Americans’

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Conclusion

In this episode, Jack Posobiec argues forcefully for a return to a unified, assimilationist vision for America, rejecting open borders, multilingualism, and the “blank slate” fallacy. He calls for strict immigration enforcement, the end of fraudulent visas, and restoration of national cohesion through faith, tradition, and shared culture. Conversations with Kelly Loeffler and Libby Emmons deepen these themes, connecting national policy to ground-level economic and cultural realities, and sparking a thoughtful debate about how to preserve and restore a distinctly American identity in a globalized world.

Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

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This is what happens when the Fourth Turning meets fifth generation warfare.

[Kelly Loeffler]

A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.

[Jack Posobiec]

Christ is king.

[Donald Trump]

I want to go into Chicago and have this incompetent governor that doesn't want us. Do you know that this weekend 72 people were shot in Chicago? I'm embarrassed to say it in front of the President of Poland.

[News Reporter]

This morning, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Set to testify on Capitol Hill amid turmoil at the CDC and backlash to his vaccine policy. Kennedy defending the direction he has taken. The public health agency saying he's working to restore public trust.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are you saying that the MRNA vaccine.

Has never been associated with myocarditis or pericarditis?

[Donald Trump]

Is that what you're trying to tell us? I am simply trying to say that.

[Jack Posobiec]

The people that you have put on that panel. After firing the entire question, the state.

[News Reporter]

Of Florida plans to end all vaccine mandates for children. They say Florida will phase out all of the long standing vaccine mandates put in place to protect children against diseases like polio and measles.

[Jack Posobiec]

You've expressed many times your frustration and.

[Donald Trump]

Disappointment with Putin, but there's no action. How do you know there's no action? Would you say that putting secondary sanctions on India, the largest purchaser outside of China, they're almost equal. Would you say there was no action that cost hundreds of billions of dollars to Russia? You call that no action?

[News Reporter]

The new president of Poland was here at the White House today aiming to strengthen his relationship with President Trump. One goal that the president of Poland had going into this was getting reassurance from President Trump that the American soldiers on the ground in Poland will remain there.

[Donald Trump]

They've long wanted to have a larger presence. We have some countries that have more, not too many. But no, they'll be staying in Poland. We're very much aligned with Poland.

[News Reporter]

The US Is set to, quote, wage war on narco terrorist organizations. That remark from Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Just a day after a US Military strike on a boat allegedly carrying drugs from Venezuela. The week's events have heightened tensions with Venezuela and President Nicolas Maduro, who President Trump claims is in control of a notorious criminal organization overseeing the drug trade.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We are here live, Washington, D.C. today is September 4, 2025, Anno Domini. As you can see, we are not normally in the place where we film or not also in our new studio because we are here on the sidelines of the National Conservatism Conference 2025, which is being held here in the nation's capital, the now freest city and safest city in America, Washington, D.C. so what we've done is we're going to sit down and go through a series of talks, some interviews, some sit downs and a plenary address that was given by myself earlier today. We're going to play that in full for you here on the program. And why come to the National Conservatism Conference? Why hold a National Conservatism. Conservatism Conference? What does it even mean? Well, to me the idea of National Conservatism is when we look at all of the issues in our country right now, what is the biggest one? The biggest one are these questions of what are nations? Do nations exist? Well, I say they do. Now some people will tell you that nations are just economic extraction zones or just lines on a map. But I disagree. I think a nation is its people. I think the people come first and then the people follow form a nation. That's clearly what our founding fathers believed. That's clearly what the pioneers on the frontier believed. They believed they were forging a nation. They were fighting for a nation. They were creating something from nothing. When they came to America, that was the pioneer spirit. And that's been lost. That's absolutely been lost. And we have these policies now in place where people like the Mamdanis and the Jayapals and the Mohammeds, the come over and can take power over our cities and over our people. And obviously there's a problem with that. There's a problem with policy, there's a problem with thinking, there's a problem with rhetoric. And I'm hoping that we can now begin to address that and do so from a perspective where people understand that this fight is about national identity. And national identity exists because nations exist and nations are different. That's what the point is of different nations. It goes all the way back to the Bible and the Tower of Babel. We are not meant to be one global morass of mush, the way the globalists would have it. No, we are absolutely diverse and multicultural nations, but you cannot have multiculturalism in one nation or that nation will be torn apart. Diversity isn't our strength. Unity is. So you have to have something to unite around. That's why when I come in and I say, oh, you know, I'm totally against burning the American flag. That's what I mean. I mean, having unity around those shared protected national symbols. And that's why they do deserve a special protection beyond other things that are protected in our society. But, but let's cut the crap for a second. Obviously, burning a flag is not the same thing as speech, an act of violence and vandalism. And burning is not the act of using speech or engaging in speech, writing speech, drawing a cartoon. Obviously, it is something else. And so when we look towards the National Conservatism Conference and when we have the ability to do debate these ideas and to sit down and actually have these discussions, we can then learn and we can see what works, what doesn't work. We can see what is popular, what is not popular. And so one of the great speeches that was held here was what is an American? I think that actually is a seminal speech and a seminal question for us, where we are and who we are. We have to define it. Because this idea that anyone can magically become an American just because you cross our borders and they hand you a piece of paper is not working. It's not working out for New York, it's not working out for Detroit, it certainly isn't working in Minneapolis. And so hopefully we can be here at the National Conservatism Conference, debate these ideas, hash it out and come forward. Working with the Trump administration, who sent a lot of people here today to be able to figure out what way to go forward to save our country and hopefully save every country that is facing this problem. So we're right back. Jack Posovic, we're here. The National Conservatism Conference. Human events daily.

[Donald Trump]

Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun.

[Kelly Loeffler]

This is Human Events with Jack Posoba.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means.

Welcome to the second American Revolution. Well, good morning, ladies and gentlemen of the National Conservatism Conference. My fellow Americans, to my friends, and especially to my enemies, I have a message for all of you. Specifically, you are losing and we are winning. Make no mistake, the tide has turned. For years, they Told us our cause was hopeless. They told us that borders were just imaginary lines on a map. That crime was the new normal. And that America must bleed. America must bleed its sons and daughters in forever wars all around the world with no end. But today, we stand here with proof in our hands that they were wrong and we were right. Look at our nation's capital, where we are right now. Washington D.C. once a lawless symbol of decay, has now changed seemingly overnight. Washington, D.C. as we stand here now, is now the safest city in the United States of America. And how. How did we do this? Because we had the courage to bring the tools at our disposal. We brought in the National Guard, we enforced the law. We gave police the resources that they needed. We said enough was enough. And Washington D.C. has now gone from a punchline to a model that we will replicate around the country. That is victory. And we know who showed us the way. President Donald J. Trump. The man who stood up and said, america first is not a slogan, it is a mission. And special thanks as well to President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador. Because you proved that when you fight crime with courage, when you take your nation back from the gangs, safety and order can be restored. These men gave us a blueprint, and it is our job now to carry it forward. And that fight, my friends, is not just here at home. Because for decades, our military strategy was wasted in forever wars, in deserts halfway around the world, chasing ghosts while our own communities suffered and decayed. But the sea change is here because we are done dying in wars that never end. Instead, we are bringing the fight to where it belongs. Against the cartels that are poisoning our children, that are killing our families. These criminal networks that have been waging direct war on our people every single day, ladies and gentlemen, the military strikes on the cartels have begun. And let me tell you something. The only thing that I want for Christmas this year is more cartel strikes. Folks, this is what it means to fight for America and this is what it means to win. But I want to shift gears a little bit because I want to tell you about something that the globalists never want you to question. And this is a fantasy that has been pushed for years in this country.

Particularly since the post war era.

And this fantasy is something called the blank slate. Now, what do I mean about the blank slate? Well, blank Slaters believe that people all around the world are interchangeable cogs. They say that anyone from anywhere can be dropped in America and then poof. Overnight. They're a red blooded American, Ladies and gentlemen, that's not reality. That is reality. Go look at the propaganda. It's everywhere and it's very simple. But we can see when a great city like New York, our greatest city, is on the precipice of being run by a Zoran Mamdani. I think we realize that something has gone absolutely wrong and something has to give. Because as I stand here today, we are less than 10 years away from one of America's great cities being run by a Mohammed. We know it's coming. We can call it out. And it is time to say enough is enough. Something has to give. These people are not American. They do not want to be American. They do not want to assimilate, and they are not interested in assimilation.

And.

And I say if they don't want to be part of this country, they can go home. Look around the world. Look around the world. Korea is Korean. Saudi Arabia is Saudi. Africa is African. I personally moved to China myself. I lived there for two years. I learned to speak Mandarin Chinese. But take a look at me, folks. I'm not Chinese. I'm just not. I'm never going to be Chinese. It is a fantasy. And if I ran around telling you that I was Chinese, you would call me a lunatic. And you would be right. You see, when it comes to gender fluidity, the right seems to get this right and understands it. But at the same time, many seem to support this idea of nation and national fluidity. This is based on a discredited fantasy of the blank slate. Nations survive because they defend their identity. They don't pretend that they are blank slates. And this is serious. Because what happens when we open the floodgates to mass migration? Do we get one united America? No, we get a fractured America. And that's the situation that we've been in for a long time. We get mini nations growing inside our own borders. Little Bangladeshes, little Kabuls, little Mogadishus. Do these mass migrants suddenly erase centuries of culture? Do they erase their old loyalties? Do they bring those loyalties? No, they bring the loyalties with them. They bring the conflicts with them as well. And then we're told that we have to celebrate it even when it divides us. Well, I will tell you something. Diversity is not our strength. Unity is our strength. And this is a huge problem because we live in a time and age where technology plays a huge role here. Because of this technology, you have the ability for these nations to essentially still live in their home nation. They present themselves as still being members of their home nation. They say this in Their own words. Go listen to Omar Fattah up there in Minneapolis. Go listen to some of the things.

That these people say.

They refer to Somalia as their homeland. And I say when they tell you what they believe, you should listen. It's really simple. We don't want entire towns where the American flag has been replaced by a foreign one. If you want to wave another flag, then you are free to do so on the flight back home. And if you want to burn our flag, you can take a trip to jail. The truth is, it's simple. Some people can assimilate, but many are not interested to. That's not bigotry. That's reality. And pretending otherwise is destroying our nation. The blank slate is dead. Nations are not interchangeable. People are not interchangeable. And America is not just dirt that you stand on and trod beneath your feet. A nation is a culture, a history, our faith, our tradition, and our people. So this is what I say. No more lies. No more blank slate. No more mass migration that turns America into someone else's homeland. Because what happens if we lose that? Well, if we lose that, then you lose the soul of America. And if you lose the soul of America, then there is no America left to save. And I promise you this, we will never, ever let that happen. Every year we see millions upon millions of people coming into our country on these temporary visas, worker visas, student visas, tourist visas. And every year they break their word. They commit fraud, they commit scams, they commit schemes, they break our laws and they don't go home. That is not immigration. That is invasion. That is invasion and infiltration. And we're going to tell you who is behind it because we're going to name names of the biggest violators of our immigration laws. The three biggest are China, India and Mexico. China sends in waves of these so called students every single year. Many are tied directly back to the Chinese Communist Party. And you can just open the newspaper or Human Events and the post Millennial. I see their editor in chief right here in the front row and you can see stories every single day of the theft of American research. In many cases, national security research. In many cases, government funded. US Government funded research that is stolen and sent back to the Chinese Communist Party. Then we also see these cases where they overstay, they steal our technology and they treat America like a buffet line. In fact, the Chinese national just recently stole the entire source code of X AI and I believe handed it over to open AI then you have India. India milks the H1B system dry, replacing American workers in our own tech companies undercutting wages, and they're laughing all the way to the bank. That's why President Trump is coming in with the tariffs now. And people got really mad when I said this online. But ladies and gentlemen, we got to end the scam calls. And I think a great way to do that would be tariff every single one of these call centers. We know they're going on overseas. We know exactly where they're coming from. We know how to do this.

They say, oh, Jack, you can't do that.

That's a good. That's not a service. Okay, midwits with the word thinking, let's just stop for a second and understand. The United States Constitution authorizes the government to. To impose duties and imports on any foreign commerce. So guess what? There's nothing in the Constitution that says we can't. And in fact, we are going to. And Mexico, right? In Mexico, 90% of these seasonal visas, the work visas, go to Mexico. And every time, thousands upon thousands of these workers don't ever return, a temporary visa turns into a permanent stay. Ladies and gentlemen, that is not guest work. That's permanent trespass. That is invasion. So I say, you know what? No more. If you cannot abide by our rules, if you cannot follow the laws that have been written down, and if you do not understand that the ability to come to the United States is not a right, it is a privilege, then you lose the privilege because you have broken our rules. So no more endless visas for China, no more endless visas for India, and no more endless visas for. For Mexico. America is not a revolving door. It is a sovereign nation. It's really simple. I mean, I'm a dad. I say the same thing to my kids. If you Abreu. If you abuse the privileges, you'll lose them. It's really that simple, ladies and gentlemen. And so if these countries continue to refuse the rules, the answer is simple. We're going to stop. Stop issuing these Chinas, stop issuing these visas for China, stop issuing visas for India, and stop issuing visas for Mexico. If you can't obey the rules, then.

You will lose the privilege.

It is simple as that. From now on, folks, we will put American workers first, we will put American families first, and we will put the American nation first. Ladies and gentlemen, God bless you all here at the National Conservatism Conference. God bless America, and God bless the American people. Thank you very much.

[Donald Trump]

Today. You know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers, and they're friends of mine. Jack. Where's Jack? Jackie's got a great guy back here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Human events Daily. As you can see, we're on the sidelines of the National Conservatism Conference here in Washington, D.C. just saw the great speech that we did earlier. Hope you like that. And then of course, we're sitting down now with administrator Kelly Loeffler of the Small Business Administration. But first, I wanted to tell you guys and really ask you a question. I got a question for everybody. Are you feeling a little bit off since COVID or if you were one of the people who got the vaccine? Well, you're not alone. And new research backs this up. Let me explain. In a groundbreaking study, Risk Stratification for the Future Cardiac Arrest after the jab, Dr. Peter McCullough highlights an alarming rise in sudden cardiac events among young and previously healthy individuals. His study found that tiny hidden patches of heart inflammation often missed by doctors, could silently be building up, leading to sudden heart attacks during exercise or sleep. That is why the wellness company created the three in one ultimate Spike Detox, crafted with 100% natural ingredients, specifically designed to help your body clear harmful spike proteins, reduce inflammation and support heart health. Don't wait until symptoms strike experience. The only formula approved and used by Dr. Peter McCullough, a top freedom fighting doctor who risked it all. Head to TWC Health POSO and use promo code POSO to get 10% off plus free shipping. That's TWC Health POSO and use Promo Code POSO to get 10% off. Get back to that pre Covid feeling. Well, folks, we're here at the National Conservatism Conference. I gotta say, this is an incredible event. You've gotten great speakers from members of the US Cabinet, President Trump's cabinet, and then just a wide array of people who, yes, there's differences of opinion, not everyone who agrees with me, but that's fine. They're perfectly within their rights to be wrong and I'm more than happy to correct them when they're being wrong. But no, there's been a great, I would say, camaraderie of ideas here and I really appreciate the work that they're doing, the ability they've had. There's been some great debates here and I like the idea that, yes, some of these ideas are going to be controversial. Absolutely. That's the whole point because we're figuring out what the problems that we have in our society are right now and what are the best ways to think about them. And one of those people who's really at the forefront of it is Administrator Kelly Loeffeather. Sat down with her today. We're very excited to be here, sitting down. Washington, D.C. we're on the sidelines of the National Conservatism Conference, and we're with the administrator of the sba, Kelly Loeffler. Great to see you, Kelly.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Great to be with you, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, we've had a couple of interesting weeks together. You just came back and we were there. The Polish inauguration. Tell me a little bit about that. And then what it was like being with the two presidents.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Well, first of all, it was such an incredible honor to lead the US Presidential delegation to Poland for President Novrotsky's inauguration. And great to run into you there. It was amazing.

[Jack Posobiec]

And thank you again for dressing in the Polish colors of red and white today. You're still representing after the great meeting.

[Kelly Loeffler]

At the White House yesterday, one month later. No, it was an incredible inauguration, but also a moment in history. I mean, I really think President Trump changed the outcome of this election for the better, for the better of Poland, for the Polish people and actually for our partnership, their model ally, not just in terms of NATO, but in terms of economic, energy, defense, all these important areas that Poland is just punching above their weight and they're growing. They're now a trillion dollar economy, as President Nowski said yesterday. So it's been a really incredible thing to be a part of. And I'm now advocating to all my friends and family to visit Poland, you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Know, coming from a Polish family and, you know, you know, you grow up in the U.S. polish, and, you know, you hear all the schoolyard taunts and all the rest. And I would fire right back. Don't get me wrong. I got plenty of Italian jokes, Irish jokes, all the rest. But it's, you know, it's really been amazing to see what Poland has done and to show and show it can be done. And it's a testing bed, I think, for so many of these ideas that we see come in in the United States, public law and order, fighting for your culture and your identity against tremendous external forces and outside pressures, and showing that it can be done and it can be done with love and it can be done with faith.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Absolutely. And you mentioned faith. I mean, this was what impressed me so much. And I think we're seeing this in America. A return to faith, but an unapologetic embrace of Christianity, of the Catholic faith. And it's so powerful that we went right from the inaugural events into Catholic Mass and the prayers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The important grounding of that in that culture really reverberates, you know, back to Pope John Paul's visit to Warsaw. I mean, so much of the history is so rich. And I think we're getting back to our Judeo Christian foundations in America finally. And I think it's going to mean so much to millions of people.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I think when, you know, these cultural warriors launched all of this, what was the first thing they went after was God in the public square. And they said, whatever you believe is fine in private, but don't bring that out in public. I think that hasn't quite worked out very well for us.

[Kelly Loeffler]

It hasn't. And in fact, we're actually taking meaningful steps at the SBA to reverse that. We're seeing it all over the federal government. There's a task force to ensure that Christians and religion and religious freedom are not suppressed anymore in this country. But there was a concerted effort that started probably long before the Obama administration, but, you know, amid that time and then accelerated during the Biden administration. So we have to be vigilant. I'm grateful to President Trump that he's restoring dialogue about faith, faith and religious freedom in this country.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and I know that does this tie to because your office has really been fighting debanking and this practice that's going on. We've talked to ranchers who are facing this because they don't like the practices of the tomaha or to, you know, certain policies and we face or people for religious beliefs and freedom of speech issues. How is the SBA fighting this debanking that we've seen going on?

[Kelly Loeffler]

Yes. So President Trump signed an executive order to end debanking to return fair banking to all Americans. Shouldn't have to even do an EO about that. It should be a business practice. But under Obama, it started with Operation Choke Point where they targeted certain businesses and started using reputational risk as a criteria for bank examinations. And so banks got very concerned about banking certain clients, particularly in the two way space, for example, gun manufacturers, ammunition, gun stores. But then it spread obviously to other places and it ended up being pro life or Christians or conservatives or. So this was happening over and over, obviously under biden. Choke point 2.0 came up. And so now, and we've even seen it at the regulatory level. So occ, fdic, the Federal Reserve were doing bank examinations based on reputational risks of clients. When shareholders tried to sue to stop that, to say we should be maximizing shareholder return and banking for anyone who's a legal business, the Biden administration blocked those shareholders Proposals to stop debanking. That's how activist this government got. So we put out a letter to our 5,000 banking clients at the SBA demanding any examples of debanking. And to end that practice, which thankfully the federal regulators are also working hard to end, the Federal Reserve Board withdrew their guidance to end evaluation on reputational risks. So we're going to get there, but it's a culture shift that undoes a lot of the damage over the last 16 years.

[Donald Trump]

And Jack, Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Thank you.

[Donald Trump]

What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who'd be getting policies.

[Jack Posobiec]

This almost sounds like a, you know, something that's Chinese Communist Party would do this. The social credit score. We of course saw this in, you know, with some of the wokeness and CRT ratings and the DEI ratings that they were given in, in the market. And it seems like they were doing the same thing in the banks.

[Kelly Loeffler]

That's right. I mean, it's kind of like a greenwashing of everything. Like, hey, look over here, we're green. We're part of the climate state circus. Don't look over here, we're suppressing law abiding Americans ability to not just grow a business, but even start a business to start a philanthropy. I mean, there's well documented examples of this. In fact, even Elizabeth Warren has said they have 12,000 examples of debanking at the CFT.

[Jack Posobiec]

She's not fan of the banks.

[Kelly Loeffler]

But you know, at the same time, I think, you know, banks that we have talked to are happy to get out of the politicization business as long as regulators aren't going to ding them. And so we have to make sure that we're not okaying it at the commercial level and we're not okaying at the government level. We want to shine a bright light on it in the practice and get back to helping America grow. And that's what the SBA is doing.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I believe the President, I think the first lady herself also experienced.

[Kelly Loeffler]

That's right, absolutely. The family. I was debanked in my campaign. So over and over, same thing happened on the legal side. And to see that happening, you ask yourself, is this a one off or is this not right? But it snowballed and you just saw cases and cases. So those days are coming to an end. In addition, at the sba, the Biden administration had blocked religious adjacent businesses from getting federal disaster loans illegally. And so now we've reversed that and we're able to go back and give dozens of of faith based organizations, churches, small businesses, loans that they deserve when they need it most, when they're hit by a flood or a tornado or a hurricane. So all these illegal practices were happening within the federal government.

[Jack Posobiec]

So many of those businesses are in the Bible Belt, and that's what has been hit over the last couple of years by floods, hurricanes and everything else lately.

[Kelly Loeffler]

And they're the ones that are there for their communities. I was in Texas at the tragic floods that happened over fourth of July. It's the churches that are helping the communities recover. They're marshaling resources. They're serving as a point of prayer and of providence for people. And the Biden administration had illegally shut that off. So we're back to, you know, the way America runs.

[Jack Posobiec]

America is a way of life, and obviously we should be always supporting that way of life in every level of government. Talk to me about a little bit more on the business side, though. So SBA is obviously turning things up as well. President Trump has put business front and center. He is a businessman, so I'm sure you have lots of conversations with him about that. What has he given you the directive for and how are you executing?

[Kelly Loeffler]

Well, first of all, it's an incredible honor to serve as President Trump's administrator of the Small Business Administration because. Because as President Trump says, small business is big business. It's 99% of every business in America is classified as a small business. They create two out of every three new jobs. And in fact, 98% of all manufacturers in America are small businesses. So it's our defense contractors who rely on those small manufacturers to produce sub assemblies and other services. So really, if we didn't have small, the 600,000 small manufacturers in this country that employ 5 million Americans and soon to employ millions more, with the $15 trillion that President Trump has brought into this country already, we wouldn't be able to build things. And the media narrative is we can't do it. We need to rely on the Chinese Communist Party to build things for us because we're not capable. That's not true. We sent a man to the moon. We built airplanes. We've created AI and chips and fracking and all the things that power this economy toward exceptionalism that we're returning to. So without small business, though, that engine of Main street, of job creation and really of hope of our communities, like the Community I grew up in, I grew up on a farm near a town of 600. There were two businesses in that community besides the grade school, a grain elevator and a union training center. When the jobs left our town, the last business, the union training center closed. That meant there was no training, there were no apprenticeships and there were no jobs. And these communities, thousands of them have been left behind. It crushed millions of dreams. And President Trump believes in the American worker. He believes in American industry. He knows that's going to restore this country. And that's why this fair trade effort is so important. It's not just about collecting tariffs. It's about making our country safe and prosperous again. Because we've been on the receiving side of really predatory trade practices by hundreds of countries around the world.

[Jack Posobiec]

I spent time living and working in Shanghai and in my, you know, even before I joined the military and, and I would. So I was my job at very low level but you know, help helping US businesses try to sell into the Chinese market. And it's almost impossible. It's almost impossible.

[Kelly Loeffler]

That's right.

[Jack Posobiec]

The trade goes one way and then when you try to bring anything over. We had Hershey's chocolate at one point was a client from Pennsylvania. So they put me kind of on that one or even Disney when they were trying to get in. And it was so hard. The hoops you had to jump through to be able to do this movies and, and all the rest. But then when it comes to this way around when we throw up anything, they, they immediately scream trade war.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Yeah. It's not just the monetary trade barriers that collecting a tariff on our pickup trucks which we cannot sell in Europe can't come across 40% whatever the tariff. It's the non tariff trade barriers. Like you said, the hoops you have to jump through and that has really put up walls and small businesses are the ones that bear the brunt of it. The rest of the world can sell into a small businesses market in the United States, but a small business is shut off from the rest of the world because of the non tariff trade barriers. And that's why President Trump's fair trade policy is so vital to the survival of this country and restoring our way of life. Because if we can't make things here anymore, if we can't compete on a level playing field, what are we supposed to do? Continue to be dependent on the Chinese Communist. Communist Party for our pharmaceuticals?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's ridiculous. And you mentioned from a national security perspective as well. I can remember so many times and obviously can't get into too much of it where, you know, working in Navy intelligence and you're, you know, working on some project and you have this. When I was there, this is sort of when UAVs and drones were really kind of becoming the new wave. Now they're here. Obviously, you know, we can't rely on other countries for those things. We, we need to make them in house. But every so often you need at that particular widget to make your, to make your new gadget work. And you are at the brunt of having to go overseas for that. And that's obviously a huge problem when it comes from a national security perspective. If we're relying on this for our ability to not just have pharmaceuticals, not just have all of our precursors for medicine, but actually our own ability to defend ourselves.

[Kelly Loeffler]

That's right. That's why, why we built what I call make on Shoring. Great again portal at the sba, you can go to our website for free. And if you're sourcing things from outside the country, we've provided a free merged, triple merged database of 1 million domestic suppliers for components for inputs to look at. Maybe there are suppliers domestically that if you're a small business, you can pull from that database. It'[e-mail] and those are just some of the things we've done at the SBA in a short amount of time on my kind of 50 state manufacturing tour. But at the same time, we're doing more business than we ever have. We've cut agency headcount almost in half. We've cut the spend in half. We found $3 billion of wasteful contracts. And as a result of getting all of that out of the way, we're doing more for small businesses and Main street and getting the focus off the woke bureaucracy and picking winners and losers. That was happening under the Biden administration.

[Jack Posobiec]

Final question, because I know you've got to run. When you go out, when you're on this tour, when you're talking to manufacturers, when you're talking to these folks that are running the small businesses, how are they responding to all of these changes at the higher levels?

[Kelly Loeffler]

Main street feels heard again. They feel like they have a voice and they feel optimistic. And that's not just what I see. Anecdotally, small business optimism is above and its 53 year average now and the highest in five months. So they know President Trump's fair trade, low tax, low regulation, pro worker policy is going to fuel their business. So they're investing more than ever. We're introducing larger loan sizes, new loan programs to fuel Main Street. So they're incredibly optimistic. They're so grateful to President Trump, and it's such a blessing to be able to work for him and with this entire administration, actually.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I did about the last question. Did I hear that there was a loan record that you guys just hit?

[Kelly Loeffler]

Yeah, we did. So we've surpassed, I believe it's 51,000 loans now. It's the highest in 10 years. And so we are just like a small business. We are doing more with less. And I think that's happening across the entire federal government. We found so much waste, fraud, and abuse. We found it in usaid. We've revoked their independent contracting authority. They were abusing it. There was massive bribery around a $550 million contract. No longer. So, and this is. All my peers in the Cabinet are doing this. Like, we're making sure to hold ourselves and our agencies accountable and get back to working for the American people.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen. Administrator Lawford, thank you so much for joining us here at Daily.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Great to be with you.

[Donald Trump]

Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen. All right, guys, we're excited to be.

Here in person for once in a while with Libby Emmons, the editor in.

Chief of the Post, Millennial and Human Events. Libby, how do you like Nacon?

[Libby Emmons]

I'm finding the questions that are being asked this year really fascinating. We keep getting into what is an American? What is America? And how do we keep our culture well?

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's, you know, what I was trying to get at in the speech, to even take that, what is an American? And kind of go a step further with it, to say that if there are people, and there clearly are, who either they cannot assimilate or they're not interested in assimilating or because of technology and all these other factors that they don't have to assimilate, then. Then what are we doing? What are we doing?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. And in your speech this morning, you asked that question, what does it mean if you're an immigrant coming to America, you're not assimilating. And let's say you applied for asylum, but you're still going home to your home country, where from whence you apparently fled to visit family for vacations and things like that. Like, what's going on there? What is it about being in America that you want, if actually you still have all these ties to your home country. And when you look at the Ellis island era, people had to leave Europe. They stepped onto the ship, and a lot of people never went back. You know, they never went back even to see their parents. And when you look back even further, the people that left, you know, on the rickety wooden ship, it was never going home again.

[Jack Posobiec]

The whole idea then was we are cutting ties with the old world. We are embracing the new world. This is why, for example, as we are both descendants of Ellis Islanders, you know, we, you know, language was one of the first things that, you know, was severed, that they wouldn't teach their kids the language. You must speak English because you want. We want you to assimilate. We want you to be part of the country. And we know that you learning English will be the fat without an accent will be the fastest way for you to do that. And certainly we all knew people growing up who, you know, okay, they speak Italian at home or there's some Polish here and there, but for the vast majority, no, it was cut off immediately.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. And I think that's a huge part of it. Because language, you know, in a lot of ways, is not just the way we express ourselves, but it's how we formulate our thoughts. You formulate your thoughts in a language. And languages are different, right? I mean, there are some languages that don't have the same concepts as other ones. So you need to be part of. To be part of American culture, you need to understand English, you need to be thinking in English.

[Jack Posobiec]

English, you need to be thinking. I made that little gimmick of, you know, saying, talk. I'm not Chinese, you know. And so someone behind me was like.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, that's really good Mandarin.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, thank you. Whoever that was. But, you know, in Chinese, they. I was going to mention something. It's so simple, but I didn't realize this. You know, they don't have a difference between finger and toe, really. Right. So they say. They say finger of the hand and finger of the foot.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, that's. That's a little bizarre.

[Jack Posobiec]

But it's just how they think, right? It's just how they think. Or. Or their word for. Their word for shark, for example, I always thought was funny. They call it kill killer fish. So that's a killer fish. Computer is an electronic brain.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, that's not good. I don't like thinking, but that's not an American concept to, you know.

[Jack Posobiec]

But again, it's. It's just it's their language and that's how they do it and that's how they think. And you can think about it in certain ways and that's great. But again, it's not American.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's okay.

[Libby Emmons]

Right?

[Jack Posobiec]

That's totally fine. For China to be Chinese. I would not go to China and tell them they can't be Chinese. But I think that we've come to this strange point and I was hoping to tie. I don't know if I quite got it there yet, but tie together these ideas where the right stands so much against the idea and the falsity of gender fluidity.

[Libby Emmons]

Right, that was interesting.

[Jack Posobiec]

And yet when it comes to national fluidity, nation fluidity, where. Oh, yeah, yeah, anyone could be, it's just not true.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I think that that's true too. And it's something that growing up in America in the 80s and 90s, you don't really think about because American culture was at that time so entrenched. English was so entrenched. You know, Christian values were. Were bedrock to this country. And what happened over the past, you know, 30 years or so is one by one these things were cast off by the mass migration, through mass migration and by the progressive liberal order of this country. You know, saying that interesting enough, the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Same people who were pushing the mass.

[Libby Emmons]

Migration, pushing the mass migration, almost like it's like they had a plan.

[Jack Posobiec]

What?

Almost like it was deliberate in some way.

[Libby Emmons]

Perhaps it was intentional. Perhaps it was, you know, a nation destroying.

[Jack Posobiec]

Exercise our country and destabilize Christianity and destabilize the American way of life. But that.

[Libby Emmons]

And replace it with globalist values. And globalist values are nation destroying values. That's like the point of them. Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

I was actually one of the lines that I had said. I was chatting about this last night with Tanya and I said it would be like. Be like going into the kitchen and saying we're going to take all the. So, you know, the melting pot. Right. Well, the melting pot actually does fall apart when you think about it. Because if you went into the kitchen and took everything you had into the kitchen and poured it into a pot, how do. How would it taste?

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, it would be bad. You don't need soy sauce and salsa. Definitely on spaghetti. Definitely. You don't want that.

[Jack Posobiec]

No. You know, or like, or like putting cheese on Chinese food, right?

[Libby Emmons]

No, that's bad.

[Jack Posobiec]

So what is that?

[Libby Emmons]

There's not a lot of cheese in Asian cuisine.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's not. No, it's just not. Again, it's just not Generally part of their diet. Something I learned that, you know, when I was in China. Okay, great. You know, it's. It's just different. And so you realize that when you. You get to a point, you know, at some point, you know, you know, the soup is good, but at some point it just turns into sludge and slop and mush. And do we really want that? Do we want to live in a country like that? Do we want our children to live in a country. I don't think so.

[Libby Emmons]

No. I think we want to. I think we want to start strong culture that we can identify. And American culture used to be identifiable the world over. And I think it's. I think that Americans are still identifiable the world over. Like, if I go to Italy, obviously I'm not Italian, even though my great grandparents came from there, I'm obviously American, you know, and that's something that I love about us. I love how we. I love how you can always tell it's an American. We've got matching T shirts, we're too loud, we're wearing sneakers, you know, But I guess I love that stuff. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And one of the. One of the terms that's come up here, and it's, you know, and I love the contentiousness of some of these topics that they're not afraid to get into. You know, the one guy was up there just talking about household voting. Right, Right. So that's an interesting concept. Although I said, wouldn't that disincentivize marriage?

[Libby Emmons]

It would disincentivize marriage. And it's also, you know, you have a situation where then whoever is the loudest mouth and the most coming from.

[Jack Posobiec]

I would even say that, you know, in. In mail, in voting, you already have housing.

[Libby Emmons]

I agree with that. And I think that's a problem, which.

[Jack Posobiec]

Absolutely.

[Libby Emmons]

Somebody's standing over you, figuring your ballot.

[Jack Posobiec]

For you, private ballot is very sacred. And I think if you mess around with that, you're really causing a lot of problems, which we saw in 2020.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so the. But I love that we have these ideas. And so there's this new phrase that's come up the paper American or the paperwork American, you know, so. And Zoramundami is this perfect example of what we're talking about. Someone who's come to this country, he wasn't born here, he's been a citizen for about five minutes, and he immediately starts talking about direct communism.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. And his parents are globalists.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're complete globalists. I mean, like, quintessential. They're rich, they Have a compound in Uganda.

[Libby Emmons]

His dad teaches, like, anti colonialism at Columbia.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ludicrous anti colonialism at Columbia. Who does that remind me of? Certain former president that. Who. Of questionable Americanism himself, shall we say. But I think that as a movement and as a people that's going through these conversations, and they're tough. History is complicated. History is not a straight line. It's a tapestry, and it's a story, and it all kind of works together. But, you know, to answer this question, what is an American? I think it goes to the center because our policies flow from these questions. And when we had this idea in, say, the 1960s that America was a nation of immigrants, well, what did we get? Immediately after that was the 1965 Immigration act, which started the mass migration. And so I really think that when you look at the upheavals and imagine American society, certainly peoples all across Europe, the election in Poland, which was predicated on the idea of blocking mass migration, it has become the question of our day.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. And another thing, I was talking to Jonathan Keeperman at Passage Press about this.

[Jack Posobiec]

Lomaz.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. About what is American culture and how do we capture what that is? And we were discussing, you know, bringing the founding stories, you know, making the stories of our founding, the. These myths, these legends, these true histories. Histories, the frontierism, the like. We've lost everything about the Wagon Train, Right? Why have we lost that? The only thing anybody knows about the Wagon Train anymore is Oregon Trail.

[Jack Posobiec]

We gotta bring it back.

[Libby Emmons]

You know, maybe we should bring it back.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oregon Trail, the series.

[Libby Emmons]

But we need to talk about.

[Jack Posobiec]

We're gonna. We're gonna end on that. Bring back Oregon Trail from, you know, from, by the way, a member of Generation Oregon Trail. Okay, Let me tell people where they can find you.

[Libby Emmons]

You can find me on Twitter ivyemmons. And you should check out everything we're doing at thepostamillennial.com and humanevents.com Ladies and.

[Jack Posobiec]

Gentlemen, as always, you have nothing to.