Americas First Veterans Were Not Fighting For A Multicultural Experiment

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: America's First Veterans Were Not Fighting For A Multicultural Experiment
Podcast: Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec
Date: December 1, 2025
Guests: Oren McIntyre (Host, The Oren McIntyre Show)

This episode centers on what the host, Jack Posobiec, and guest Oren McIntyre argue is a false narrative about America's founding—specifically, the claim that the United States was conceived as a multicultural or multi-faith experiment. Drawing on Revolutionary War history, quotes from the Founders, and recent events involving immigration and national security, Jack and Oren advance the idea that American identity was intended to be cohesive, deeply rooted in a shared Christian heritage, and that current immigration policy undermines this foundation.

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Main Discussion Themes

1. Valley Forge and Revolutionary Patriotism

• Jack’s Visit to Valley Forge (03:00–06:30):

  • Jack recounts visiting Valley Forge with his family, emphasizing the suffering and determination of the Continental Army.
  • He paints a picture of dire hardship—soldiers unaided, unpaid, unshod—and credits their endurance to faith, duty, and unity.
  • Quote:

    "But did they quit? Did they desert? No, they didn't quit. They didn't desert. You know why? Because General Washington needed them." (05:40, Jack)

• Legacy of Sacrifice:

  • Jack insists present-day Americans must be "worthy of the example of those Patriots."
  • He explicitly rejects the notion that these men fought for "some multicultural multi interfaith experiment," instead contending they fought for a Christian nation and its posterity.

2. America’s Founding Identity: Not Multiculturalism

• The Founders’ Vision (10:44–12:16):

  • Oren McIntyre cites the Federalist Papers, particularly John Jay, to argue the Founders envisioned a unified people—one language, heritage, and faith.
  • Admits limited diversity among early Americans (mostly Anglo-Protestants with some Catholics), but maintains it remained a distinctive identity.
  • Quote:

    “It was very clear that it had a dominantly an Anglo Protestant identity with some others mixed in… The idea that the United States can just be whatever collection of people happen to live inside its borders is ridiculous.” (11:12, Oren)

• Nation vs. Empire Analogy:

  • Oren distinguishes between a republic (requiring a cohesive, virtuous citizenry) and an empire (heterogeneous, multi-national subjects with varying rights).
  • Adds that current mass immigration moves the U.S. towards empire-like diversity rather than a unified nation.

• Virtue and Self-Governance (13:05–14:12):

  • Discusses, referencing Aristotle, Machiavelli, and John Adams, that a republic’s success depends on shared virtue stemming from a shared worldview and culture.
  • Argues that multiculturalism, as pushed by modern liberal democracies, makes self-governance weaker and society less cohesive.

3. Pushback on “Replacement” and Assimilation Debates

• Controversial Clip—Wajahat Ali (14:18–15:18):

  • Jack plays a clip from op-ed writer Wajahat Ali referencing demographic change in brash, racial terms.
  • Quote:

    “You lost. The mistake that you made is you let us in in the first place… We are a breeding people… our parties have better food, better music, better looking women.” (14:18, Wajahat Ali)

• Oren’s Response:

  • Frames Ali’s comments as indicative of broader sentiment among some immigrants and the political left, warning of “ethnic replacement.”
  • Argues that assimilation may occur in small numbers from compatible groups, but mass immigration undermines national identity.

• Assimilation: Anecdote on Jack’s Family (17:18–18:20):

  • Jack shares that his immigrant wife speaks perfect English as an example that some immigrants assimilate fully.
  • Oren supports the distinction between “assimilable” immigrants integrating into American culture versus those who form isolated enclaves.

4. Framing Reverse Migration and Its Critics

• Trump’s "Reverse Migration" and Media Blowback (21:55–23:36):

  • Jack and Oren discuss President Trump’s calls for “reverse migration” of unauthorized immigrants and those naturalized under allegedly fraudulent circumstances.
  • Oren notes the double standard: if removing immigrants is “ethnic cleansing,” then intentionally changing a nation’s demographics via immigration is too.

• History of U.S. Immigration Law:

  • Points to the 1965 Hart-Celler Act as a turning point, removing preferences for certain countries and radically altering the country’s demographic trajectory.

• Denaturalization Debate (23:46–26:20):

  • Jack plays Trump’s comments about “denaturalizing” those who lied or committed crimes during naturalization.
  • Oren explains denaturalization is legal, especially for fraud, and criticizes liberal narratives that claim US identity is purely propositional.

5. The Myth and Politics of Thanksgiving

• Deconstructing the “Multicultural Thanksgiving” Story (29:09–33:08):

  • Jack challenges the popular narrative of Pilgrims and Native Americans collaborating in harmony at the first Thanksgiving, calling it an 1800s invention.
  • Oren outlines the Pilgrims' desire to preserve a specific Protestant English identity, not assimilate into another or foster multicultural harmony.
  • He acknowledges limited Native assistance but calls modern retellings a “distortion.”
  • Quote:

    “Ultimately, this was a feast thanking God for their continued ability to live in this land.” (30:57, Oren)

• Impact of Historical Narratives on Policy:

  • Oren argues the stories a nation tells about its founding directly influence its policies and sense of self.
  • Warns that allowing the political left or even mainstream conservatives to rewrite or water down this history weakens national unity.

6. Current Events—Migration, Violence, and Nationhood

• Trigger for Trump’s Migration Policy Rhetoric (41:00–43:40):

  • Jack recounts the recent fatal shooting of West Virginia National Guardsman Sarah Beckstrom by an Afghan migrant near the White House.
  • He frames this event as a breaking point for public tolerance of current immigration policy.
  • Quote:

    “You do something like that in the context and in the midst of all of the things that have been done to the American people at the hands of these migrants, we're done. We're absolutely done.” (42:38, Jack)

• Comparison to Europe and “Globalist Project”:

  • Contrasts the supposedly peaceful and safe Poland to Western Europe’s problems with migrant violence and terrorism.
  • Blames Angela Merkel and the EU's embrace of multiculturalism/mass migration as the genesis of these problems.

• The Stakes for American Identity:

  • Posobiec warns that giving in to mass migration means betraying the “Valley Forge Patriots” and destroying America’s unique heritage.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On American Identity:

  • "They were fighting for the Christian God. And they were fighting so that their descendants...achieved greatness and excellence and was respected around the world." (06:20, Jack)

• On Founding Principles:

  • "A critical aspect of a functional republic is that shared identity, those shared values, and most importantly, a shared virtue based on a shared worldview." (13:19, Oren)

• On Immigration Policy:

  • “If reverse migration is ethnic cleansing, then what was the migration program all along?” (21:55, Jack)
  • “We have here...very clearly an attempt to ethnically cleanse the United States through immigration.” (23:20, Oren)

• On Denaturalization:

  • “If you committed fraud, if you committed crime in the naturalization process, you could be denaturalized.” (24:26, Jack)

• On National Stories and Policy:

  • “The stories that we tell about our founding...absolutely are reflected in the policies and the decisions that we make.” (33:06, Jack)
  • “If we lose sight of those, or we let the left manipulate that history...then they can change who we are today.” (33:45, Oren)

• On Recent Violence:

  • "Could you try not shooting our service members? Could you try not raping our women? ...But you couldn't. You just couldn't do it. There's been too much blood." (42:52, Jack)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Valley Forge History and the American Spirit | 03:00–07:20
• Founders’ Vision—John Jay and Unified Identity | 10:44–12:16
• Nation vs. Empire, Virtue and Self-Government | 12:16–14:12
• Clip: Wajahat Ali on Demographic Change | 14:18–15:18
• Assimilation vs. Enclaves—Personal Anecdotes | 17:18–19:08
• Trump’s Reverse Migration/Denaturalization Comments | 21:55–26:20
• Multicultural Thanksgiving Narrative Debunked | 29:09–33:08
• Stories & Policy, Power of Foundational Myths | 33:08–34:28
• Recent National Guard Shooting as Tipping Point | 41:00–43:40
• Comparing Poland to the U.S. and Western Europe’s Migrant Crisis | 43:40–45:50

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Closing Thoughts

Jack Posobiec and Oren McIntyre contend that America’s founding was intended to create a united, virtuous, and distinctly Christian nation—not a multicultural experiment. They argue today's immigration policy—and the narratives spun around American history and holidays—undermine this core identity. The episode is charged, polemical, and full of historical allusions presented to frame current events as the continuation of a long battle over American nationhood and destiny.

Final Sentiment:

“Remember the patriots of Valley Forge, the first veterans...Remember what they fought for, remember what they sacrificed for. And then it's time for you to do your part as well.” (45:05, Jack)

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Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Oren McIntyre]

Former Navy intelligence veteran.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic. Christ is King details in the deadly.

[Oren McIntyre]

National Guard ambush investigation.

[Jack Posobiec]

We believe he could have been radicalized in his home community and in his home state. Ramanala Lakhanawal of Afghanistan facing murder in.

[Oren McIntyre]

The first degree after 20 year old Sarah Beckstrom died from gunshot wounds sustained when he allegedly opened fire on her and her fellow West Virginia National Guardsman, Andrew Wolfe. Andrew is fighting for his life right now.

[Jack Posobiec]

I said when you're ready. Such a tough thing. Come to the White House. We're gonna honor Sarah. Another Afghan national is facing state terror charges in Tex after DHS says he plotted to make a bomb with the intention of targeting the Fort Worth area. He was arrested on Tuesday, the day before the D.C. shooting. How long does your administration plan to pause asylum into the US I think a long time. Can you. Can you give any.

[Oren McIntyre]

We don't want.

[Jack Posobiec]

We don't want those people. We have enough problems. We don't want those people. Is that a year? Two years. No time limit, but it could be a long time. Lawmakers from both sides of the aisle say they support congressional reviews of US Strikes on alleged drug boats that we've been reporting on for months. A report from the Washington Post now claims Defense Secretary Pete Hexseth gave a verbal order to leave no survivors before the first boat strike back in September, when two people on board survived, a second strike was allegedly ordered mid the increase in operations at a naval base in Puerto Rico. President Trump posted please consider the airspace above and surrounding Venezuela to be closed in its entirety. While the US can't unilaterally close another country's airspace, the Federal Aviation Administration has been warning airlines for weeks to avoid the area due to increased military activity.

[Oren McIntyre]

Trump issued a dire threat to Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. Get out now.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human events daily. We're here live on Real America's Voice. Ladies and gentlemen, how was your. How was your Thanksgiving weekend? Mine was great. Went to visit Valley Forge yet again. We had an absolutely wonderful time while we were there. Went to see the place where America was tested, where the American troops, 12,000 of them, including General Washington himself, were put to the test over one of the harshest winters, the harshest winter of the entire Revolutionary War. From that ground, that frozen tundra, thousands of American patriots died, just waiting out the war, waiting out the winter. No battles were fought, only the battle of will, the battle against the elements. Picture it. You're not getting paid. You don't have shoes. You have a makeshift hut to keep you warm and whatever wood you can chop down to make a fire. Boston is lost. New York is lost. Philadelphia is occupied. The British army is only about 25 miles away. You got a couple of cannons. You better make sure they can shoot. You better make sure that they're not going to come in with horse. You got it all. So when we took the kids there, taught them about that, explained to them the sacrifice of the men, the sacrifice of the Patriots, the sacrifice of it all. Because if not for what they did, laying down their lives for us, laying down the lives for their future generations, we would not have the country we have today. But did they quit? Did they desert? No, they didn't quit. They didn't desert. You know why? Because General Washington needed them. And they stood there with General Washington, and they crossed the Delaware with Washington on Christmas night, and they marched on Trenton with General Washington. And they kept pushing and pushing and pushing until eventually they won and they had a country of their own. That's the kind of patriotism that you need. You need the patriotism of Valley Forge. You need to be the type of Patriot to say, I will not go anywhere. I will stand and fight no matter what. Think of it, Martha Washington walking around, darning the socks for the men, trying to keep them in there. Von Steuben, Mad Anthony Wayne, General Lafayette, and in fact, General Pulaski as well. A Polish hussar to train the new American cavalry in the way that the Polish hussars have fought for hundreds of years. If you mean to be the descendants of those Patriots, then you need to be worthy of the example of those Patriots. You need to be worthy of the fight that they fought for. And let me tell you something right now. We're going to talk about this today. Those Patriots were not fighting for some multicultural multi interfaith experiment. No, they were fighting for the Christian God. And they were fighting so that their descendants, whatever country that was strong, that was prosperous, that was successful and that achieved greatness and excellence and was respected around the world. And don't let them try to tell you otherwise. Don't let them try to tell you that those men were fighting for some, oh, multicultural experiment. That's nonsense. That is Marxist propaganda. They were fighting for the United States of America. We know what they were fighting for. We know because they told us. Be right back to talk about this and more. Jack Posoba Human Events daily. Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun. This is Human Events with Jack Soba. Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right, Jack Pasopic. We are back live here. Humid events daily. Real America's voice. Folks. 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[Oren McIntyre]

Doing well, thanks for having me.

[Jack Posobiec]

So there's a. The great, you know, kind of confluence of things going on this weekend. So President Trump Thanksgiving eve's just post this missive about reverse migration, about getting rid of the third worlders. And it just so happened that this weekend I was taking my family to Valley Forge and we go to Valley Forge. And you know, I grew up. Valley Forge is every single weekend take. I've taken my kids there a million times. You know, we do sledding under Matt Anthony Wayne Hill. And these are just sort of the names I grew up with. And. And it occurred to me that these are actually connected. So, Oren, those patriots of the revolution, the first veterans of the United States, were they fighting for a multicultural, multi religious, experimental nation?

[Oren McIntyre]

Oh, absolutely not. And in case we have any question about this, we can just look at the Federalist Papers. John Jay told us what he envisioned for the United States. He said that the United States should be one people speaking one language, coming from the same heritage, having the same traditions, having the same faith, sharing these critical values, these critical backgrounds, these things that are traditional that knit a nation together. It was, of course, recognized that several different parts of kind of Western Europe were being represented inside the United States at that time. But it was very clear that it had a dominantly an Anglo Protestant identity with some others mixed in. You had some Catholics, you had a few others, but there was a very distinct understanding of what America should be. And so the fact that now we have this idea that the United States can just be whatever collection of people happen to live inside its borders is ridiculous. The idea of a nation itself is one of a specific people. There's another name for a form of government that combines a large number of nations under one state. It's called an empire. And right now, what we have is a lot of people fighting for an American empire instead of an American nation. But many of us want to return to a place where America is a cohesive people who love, you know, the history, the heritage, the religion and tradition of this nation and pushing this idea that we should just be bringing in anyone from anywhere who happens to raise their hand after five years and say, yeah, sure, I'll take some Social Security benefits. This does not make any sense for the future of our country.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it doesn't make any sense at all. And by the way, that's even deeper question that you mentioned that. So, so hold on. An empire, so the Roman Empire. Right, right. That was, you know, could be ruled from Rome. There were different layers of the citizenry. Right. You could be a citizen if you were Roman. There are other ways to become a citizen. But they also had their various conquered peoples, the provinces. And now of course they could travel to Rome, but they wouldn't have the same rights as a citizen. That's the way an empire works. That's the way all empires have worked. But you're saying that a republic doesn't work unless it follows basically the formula that John Jay laid out. And of course Benjamin Franklin and John Adams, they spoke of this as well. What is the best formula for a republic to work then?

[Oren McIntyre]

Well, if we look from Aristotle to Machiavelli, to guys like John Adams who all wrote about the republican tradition, they mentioned that over and over again. A critical aspect of a functional republic is that shared identity, those shared values, and most importantly, a shared virtue based on a shared worldview. In order to cultivate a certain level of virtue that allows you to be a self governing people, you must share those beliefs, those understandings, that background, that religion. If you don't have a collective telos, if you don't have a collective end for which your society exists, then you can't share the same virtues together that will allow you to be self governed. And of course, the more people you include into your society that don't share those beliefs, that understanding, that way of life, the harder it is for you to be self governing. You'll notice that all of the people who claim to support liberal democracy in the west, but also want to collect a lot of power unto themselves, they're busy trying to make their nations as multicultural as possible. Well, that's not a mistake because.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and by the way, I just wanted to back up with something. You have guys play SOT3.

[Oren McIntyre]

You have lost. You lost. The mistake that you made is you let us in in the first place. See, that's the thing with brown people. And I'm gonna say this as a brown person. There's a lot of us like a lot. And we breed. We're a breeding people. Your story is a story filled with misery. It's filled with bland chicken. It's filled with terrible, terrible dry meat. Your music sucks. All your culture sucks. Nobody. That's why the kids like listen to black people and their music. That's why the kids Love Latinos. Your parties suck because they're monochromatic. Our parties have better food, better music, better looking women.

[Jack Posobiec]

So there you go. That's Wajahat Ali. He is the author of the Left Hook Substack. He is an op ed writer at the New York Times. And he's telling you in no uncertainty terms, you white people, you have lost. And we are out breeding. You are. And what is he talking about?

[Oren McIntyre]

Well, he's talking about ethnic replacement, right. And this is largely a plan that the left has foisted upon the American people. The thing is that if you don't see Americans as a people, as a nation, then it's hard to realize when you're getting fewer Americans. But trust me, the people coming in, like this guy here, they know the difference. They're not confused about what's going on. Now, you can assimilate in small amounts people from other nations. We've seen this before. Even Pat Buchanan talked about how many people can become Americans as long as it's a small number of people who are of an assimilable group. But when you bring in large numbers of people from a culture that has no interest in assimilating, then we see what we have here. A guy who is completely ungrateful for being in the United States, hate the people of the United States, express a desire to change or warp or replace the makeup of the United States, and are basically just threatening you. We're already here. We've already won. It's already over for you. I'd. I don't think that's true, but I think we should take these statements seriously. This guy is not some random person out there. He is someone who represents, I think, a large number increasingly of the third world that is entering into the United States. And if we don't take action, if the Trump administration does not go ahead and re immigrate these people as quickly as possible, the very future he is talking about will inevitably come to pass.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I pulled up his bio, by the way. So Wajaha Ali, he's from a Pakistani family, but was born in the Bay Area, California. And when he went to school, he knew only three words of English. Well, that's strange, Arendon, they speak English in California generally, right?

[Oren McIntyre]

That sounds great, of course, but the amazing thing is if you bring in enough people, you don't anymore. I don't know if you've seen the viral video of a man walking around a Walmart and he can't find find a single employee that speaks English. He's in The United States send me.

[Jack Posobiec]

That because I have not and I need it.

[Oren McIntyre]

Lived in a third world country.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I have not seen that. So please send me that because I absolutely need that. And that's exactly right. That's. Which, which is amazing because. And I hate to like, I'm not bringing this up in terms of an argument, but so everyone knows that my wife is also, you know, an immigrant. Obviously she was not born in this country and yet her English is so good that she's just never had a problem communicating with, with anyone in English. Even when, you know, except like when my son says 6, 7 or, or skibidi or what the sigma. Which is funny because like what the sigma is like a vox day meme. And now like my son says, it just whole. There's a whole deconstruction there that I find really interesting because he also says like Chad and Alpha and I'm like, hey son, do you know who came up with those words? Yes, sonny boy. You know, it's like your daddy and his crazy Internet friends. But her English that she has, she faces the same thing even as an immigrant because she just took the time to learn the language.

[Oren McIntyre]

Yeah. Having met your wife, obviously I know that she's rather fluent in English would have zero problem. And that's again the point. There are cultures that are more assimilable and even you can take again one person coming in, your wife coming in and joining your family, becoming part of the American story because she marries in to your family and assimilates. It's very different than having large numbers of people who live in ethnic conclaves, only work with each other, only marry each other, maintain their foreign religion, not converting to Christianity. When you have these cultural differences and you make no attempt to blend in to the fabric in the United States, that's obviously unsustainable. Even when you have a similar little immigrants, you need to make sure that you keep their number low as to they have something to assimilate to. But when you make sure that these people don't need a symbol at all because they can just live in their break.

[Jack Posobiec]

That, that. No, that's exactly right. And the Internet exacerbates this. Quick break right back. Jack, Posobic or McIntyre, You talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack. Where's Jack? Jack? He's got a great job. All right, Jack. We are back. Human Events Daily. Real America's voice. Folks, you know something I've been telling you, pay attention to what is happening with the dollar with the debt, with central banks and honestly with crypto, because you see all this stuff piling up and when things get rocky and we can see what's happening with the crypto crash right now, this, this massive sell off that's happening under 100, I think it was down at like 85 at one point today. Look, gold has always been the safe haven. But now gold isn't just defensive, it's an offensive asset. It's already over $4,000 an ounce and the analysts are forecasting it could go over 5,000. And silver just hit another all time high. That's why I've been working with my partners at Allegiance Gold for the past three years. They help you protect your savings and your retirement. Real physical gold and silver, not paper promises. And right now, Allegiance Gold is making it even better. They'll donate 1% of qualified investments from my audience to Turning Point USA or if you want another great America first organization that's in addition to the 1% you will already qualify for so you can protect your wealth, support the movement at the same exact time. What better gift, by the way, to give this Christmas than the gift of gold? If you've been waiting for a sign, this is it. Don't overthink it. Don't wait until it's too late. See what's going on with gold today. Give them a call. 844-577-776 or visit protectwithposo.com that's 844-577-776 or protect with poso.com Protect your future and stand with me, fighting for America. All right, Jack Paso, look, we're on with Oren McIntyre. We're talking about these questions. And Oren, so you saw, you saw Wajad Ali and he's saying, white people, you have lost. We Browns are here. We are, we are outbreeding you. It's done. But then President Trump comes in and says, you know what? Reverse migration. Something I thought was really interesting though. All of the liberal commentariat has said, oh, so President Trump just wants ethnic cleansing. So he just wants ethnic cleansing. And my question, I guess is if reverse migration is ethnic cleansing, then what was the migration program all along?

[Oren McIntyre]

Yes, thank you. Yes. Mark Kelly also stepped on this rake recently saying, well, you know, I think by saying that we don't want the third world in the United States, the Trump administration is just saying that we want the United States to be whiter. Okay, well, Mark, if we flip that over, what does that mean? Well, it means the opposite, of course. If you're opening the gates of Third World immigration, you are specifically and intentionally encouraging immigration from nations that are not ethnically homogeneous with America. For this express purpose of reducing the current ethnic makeup of the United States, you are trying to dilute it and break it down. This is not a mistake. Especially after the Hart cellar Act of 1965, we basically threw away the idea that Americans had the right to decide who immigrated into the United States. Instead of Americans selecting populations depending on whether they would be compatible, they shared religion, they shared values, they were productive inside society, they assimilated well. Instead, we had to open the doors to anyone and everyone who wanted to be an American. We couldn't put caps on certain nations. We can favor certain nations. And this has destroyed, of course, the ethnic makeup of the United States. When you look at a concert in California in the 1970s, or even if you look at a high school in the 1990s, it looks radically different than it does today. And the American people were never asked. So what we have here is very clearly an attempt to ethnically cleanse the United States through immigration. Sadly, American elites are not different than many other Western elites in this attempt, and for the reasons we already spoke about, this allows them to gain more power.

[Jack Posobiec]

It certainly does. In fact, we have a clip. Look, guys, let's play this clip, because someone also made a very interesting point regarding that as well. Placeat2.

[Oren McIntyre]

Mr. President, you said that you might.

[Jack Posobiec]

Denaturalize some American citizens. Can you talk about people that are in here that shouldn't be here, that became Americans? Well, we'll see. I mean, yeah, we have criminals that came into our country and they would naturalize, maybe through Biden or somebody that didn't know what they were doing. If I have the power to do it. I'm not sure that I do, but if I do, I would denaturalize. Absolutely. Well, and there you go. So President Trump also pointing out, by the way, that there isn't a, you know, there isn't some rule that says that people can't be denaturalized. If you committed fraud, if you committed crime in the naturalization process, you could be naturalized. They all have to sign documents saying this, by the way.

[Oren McIntyre]

It's.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's aren't just. It's so amazing that you're seeing this, like, theocratic response from the liberals, the globalists, the media, as it really is. This, this religion of the United States, this new civic religion that anyone in the world can just become American. If you have a piece of paper, do you Think it's just that, that they're taught this or do they really believe it?

[Oren McIntyre]

I think that sadly, several generations of Americans have been educated in the idea that America is simply an idea. It's a propositional nation. It's an abstraction. And what makes you an American is whether or not you adhere to those principles, that abstract idea. The problem is, in practice that doesn't work. Because look at someone like Ilhan Omar or any part of the squad. These people do not like America. They hate America. And yet they are allowed to continue to stay in the United States. Because one of the propositions we all have to agree to as Americans is, is that you have the First Amendment and you're allowed to speak your mind, even if you hate the country and disagree with it. Well, if that's the case, then we can't possibly have a propositional nation because the minute you stop agreeing with the proposition, you should be deported, you should be denaturalized. But that's not what we do. Instead we bring foreigners in, we allow them to lie under oath for their citizenship and immediately then turn around and start trashing the country. You know this, that I used to teach high school civics. That's what I used to do before I became a political pundit. And one of the things I taught was that you can denaturalize people. That there is a provision for this process. And one of the allowable reasons to denaturalize someone is if they lied on their immigration paperwork. Did they lie about loving the country? Did they lie about sharing its values? Did they lie when they came over the United States? Well then you can denaturalize them. This is entirely inside the power of the federal government.

[Jack Posobiec]

Actually, it's one thing really funny and we're all set the break. But so this, this liberal account, Project Liberal, always tries to like troll me and stuff. And they, they, they, they came up and said John Adams would tell you to kick rocks. And I said, oh really? Would you like me to tell you John Adams position on subversive foreigners? The guy who actually wrote, passed and signed the Alien and Sedition Acts. John Adams thought that the French were too subversive, which, and to be probably shouldn't trust them that far. Just go look what they did to go look what they did in the square of Paris at the time. So I mean, John Adams was not some like wishy washy liberal. They tried to paint this false narrative of our founding fathers is completely not true. And again folks, if you know the facts, the actual facts about our Founders and our founding. It will give you much greater respect for them and respect for your country.

[Oren McIntyre]

Country.

[Jack Posobiec]

Be right back. Human Events Daily. Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who've been getting public. All right, Jack, we're back on with R. McIntyre. We're talking reverse migration. We're talking re migration, which President Trump, by the way, did name check all the way back in June of this year. But there's something also interesting I wanted to get into. And this is the, this is the. So it was Thanksgiving weekend when all of this popped up. And Aurin, I know that you did a, a great Thanksgiving episode with your new colleague John Doyle over there at the Blaze. Everyone should go listen to that episode. It was fantastic. And it was sort of this, the thing that I really liked about it was this idea that, you know, the sort of mythos of Thanksgiving that we have today of like the turkey and the cranberry and all, like, that was just kind of created in the 1800s. And specifically the part about where they made it multicultural, where it's like, oh, the, the Pilgrims were giving thanks to the Indians for helping them through the long winter. And it's like, no, that's just, it's just not true at all. And then, and then they add, of course, one. Then. And then, of course. What did those Pilgrims do? They killed the Indians. Every last one of them. Because. Reasons. And even though society doesn't want me to tell you about it, I'm going to tell you, kids, it's like, no, literally everyone tells us that story over and over, and it's just, it's just wantonly not true at all about the, the first Thanksgiving. And so was the first Thanksgiving then was this English Christians celebrating to God?

[Oren McIntyre]

Yeah. You had obviously the English dissenters who had fled originally the United Kingdom. They ended up in the, the, you know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Netherlands.

[Oren McIntyre]

Yeah, the Netherlands. And then they decided to move because they did not want their children to ultimately adopt that identity. They wanted to make sure that they maintained their English dissenter Protestant identity. So they went to the new world in order to forge a place where they could both practice their religion safely and also maintain their identity and their way of life without blending in to some foreign culture. Of course, safety was very hard to come by. The new American experience was one that was cold, that was difficult, riddled with disease. They were not coming. They were not immigrants coming to a place that was established. They were carving out a land. Of course, there were native in ham inhabitants spotted throughout, and they in many cases came to blows. Now, the English were of course able to eventually establish a beachhead there. You did receive some assistance from Indian tribes. So I want to pretend like there is no roots to the idea that there were friendly, friendly relations with different tribes and that they did receive some assistance. But the entire narrative that basically the pilgrim pilgrims were these helpless idiots who landed on, you know, the coast of America and they couldn't do anything and they were just dying out until these friendly Indians came and then saved them by teaching all these dumb Europeans how to farm because they just never seen a farm before. And that's what saved them. And that's why they had Thanksgiving so they could celebrate this cult multicultural Kumbaya. It's just not accurate. Of course, I'm sure the pilgrims were very grateful for assistance received at the level that they received it, but ultimately this was a feast thanking God for their continued ability to live in this land. And of course, we know that Thanksgiving didn't really reappear until Abraham Lincoln started making proclamations of Thanksgiving during the Civil War. And then it was picked up as an official holiday by Ulysses S. Grant when he established the first set of official American holidays. But even then, it was not something that I think really captured the American mind the way that it has today. Today it's a fantastic tradition, but the history is often muddled, as you say, when it's the real history of Thanksgiving where you tell. We tell you how dumb the Europeans are and how they brutally slaughtered the Indians. This is just a really vicious distortion of the true story of how the country was founded.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it's. It's just not there. And I love, by the way, that the, you know that in the 1600s they didn't understand agriculture.

[Oren McIntyre]

It's like.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I'm pretty sure Europeans figured out agriculture like 8,000 years prior to all of that. And ah, but you didn't know how to make maize and you had to put the fish in the hole first. And I remember they would teach you all all this stuff in. And I was in school in the 90s and like this is what you were also taught. Then again, when I also think about the 90s, they also taught us that there were acid rain clouds running around outside and that you needed to be careful of those because they would actually burn your skin and that this was like a real thing that you had to worry about. I remember having classmates that would wear a raincoat every single day because they were so terrified of the acid rain. And this was in, like, cartoons. And I don't know, it's. I keep wanting to go back and do, like, a special on, like, these acid. The great acid rain scare, the forgotten acid rain scare of the 1990s. But it's like. It's like they push this stuff on children. They just put this stuff on little children, and then they kind of forget about it. And unfortunately, though, it's. It's sort of like the set narrative that we all teach. So I always think, like, with my kids, we do have to teach them. And let's. Let's get serious here for a second, because the stories that we tell about our founding, the stories that we tell about our past, about who we are, absolutely are reflected in the policies and the decisions that we make. And that's why this is important, isn't it?

[Oren McIntyre]

It. Yeah, that's exactly right. A lot of people want to think that all policy decisions, all political decisions are somehow this technocratic science that we just pulled the objective thing out by. By using our reason on our rationale. But the truth is that our political decisions are, of course, are couched in our values and our traditions and our understandings, and those come from the narratives, the stories, the histories, and the myths that we repeat to each other. We are, as a lot of people learned. Jordan Peterson was very good at awakening conservatives to this. We are not just rational beings. We are beings with identities that are fed by the mythical, fed by the historical, fed by the religious. These things come together to make us who we are. And so if we lose sight of those, or we let the left manipulate that history, manipulate that truth, manipulate that narrative, then they can change who we are today, which is what they've been doing for a very long time. Again, as someone who taught in public school, I recognize exactly the process you're talking about. I mean, obviously I'm broadcasting from underwater in South Florida right now, because just like Al Gore said, we're all drowned. Like, we. The polar ice caps melted, I'm underwater, Florida's gone, just as he predicted. I mean, these are real things that were pushed on children when I was in school. And yet here we are, you know, broadcasting just fine.

[Jack Posobiec]

I remember I once crashed an Al Gore event in Philly, and he was giving a talk, and this is when they were broadcasting. He would go around and show Inconvenient Truth to, you know, groups of hippies or Whatever. And I remember going out and I was outside and before we snuck in and he had his entire. Cuz he had Secret Service still as vice president. He still had. Or former vice president at the time. His entire motorcade was sitting there with like Mercedes Benzes and the engines were on. It was the middle of the summer and the engines were on the entire time that he was inside giving the lecture and the entire time that the documentary was on. So you're like by three hours and it's like, why are you guys doing this? Oh, well, he likes you cold when, you know, when he comes out.

[Oren McIntyre]

Yeah, in between private jet flights and everything else. Right. Like, obviously these people are hypocrites and liars. They don't believe anything that they are selling. But they know that if they can force that narrative onto you, they can manipulate you. And that's why we can't let them have holidays like Thanksgiving. We can't let them rewrite the history of the United States. And importantly, as you were speaking about previously, we can't let ourselves rewrite it either. We can't go back and pretend that the founding fathers believed in something other than what they did. We should be digging back into our own history. We should be celebrating our own history. Read the Federalist Papers, read the founding documents of the United States States. Read George Washington's letters, his farewell address. Make yourself familiar with these things. Don't let the left write this narrative for you. Don't even let the conservative movement write this narrative for, you know, the history of your people. It's far more important and I think more interesting than whatever slop is on Netflix right now. Yeah, I'm teeing that up for you, by the way.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are you totally seeing that up for me right now? Well, we have to, we have to fight. We have to fight the fake stories on all fronts. But no, it struck me going to, you know, going to Valley Forge and by the way, Ken Burns as a whole revolutionary documentary as well on, on PBS right now, which I've heard mixed things about. But, you know, it's, it's, it. We at the same time that we're told, oh, the founders were this certain way, but then you go back and you actually look at like, oh, well, here's the immigration law that was signed literally by George Washington and passed by, you know, and Jefferson and Adams is vice president, and they're all like, like under their watchful eye. And it's, you know, what does it say? It's, it says right there, the first document, White Europeans, a Good character. It says it right there. And so the idea, though, that we are going to, at the same time call upon the. The spirit of the founding Fathers, but then also not actually try to understand that which it is that they were doing is in itself a problem. So we are currently in. We are currently. We called it. General Fem is calling it a color revolution. Said, yeah, it's a red revol. Are we in a color revolution? We sure are. And the color is red. Or Mike McIntyre, where could people go follow you and get access to your show and your writings?

[Oren McIntyre]

Of course. Thank you once again for having me. I am, of course, on Blaze TV with the Orin McIntyre Show. We're also on YouTube or Rumble or Odyssey, every podcast platform you can think of. And of course, I post on Twitter along with many other sites under Orin McIntyre.

[Jack Posobiec]

Give him a follow, folks. Oren McIntyre. He's got a very interesting set of albums behind him on the wall. I can't tell what all of those are, but I will dig in and find more right back after this. Jack Posoba, Cuban Events Daily. Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again. Amen. All right, Jack, we are back. Live Human events daily. Real America's voice. Folks, let's face it. Your phone, we know it's a tracking device. Government agencies, big tech, corporate data brokers, even cyber criminals, they're all fighting for a piece of your digital footprint. They don't ask, they just take it. And that is why silent exists. Silent makes Faraday gear that blocks all wireless signals, cellular, WI fi, Bluetooth, gps, rfid, and nfc. No signal means no tracking, no remote access, no breadcrumbs. This is the same tech that's trusted by special operations teams worldwide and used to block signals, avoid surveillance, and secure comms wherever the mission leads. And now it's available to you to protect your family, your freedom, and your digital footprint. Drop your phone in a silent Faraday sleeve and it's off the grid. Completely silent, invisible to the outside world. From backpacks to sleeves to crossbodies, silence. Patented tech gives you control of your privacy. Visit slnt.com poso this Christmas and save 15 off and get free shipping on qualifying orders. You're going to want to check that out. Slnt.com poso this Christmas. Protect your rights, secure your data and stay one step ahead. Slnt.com Silence the chaos. So, folks, I heard a lot of people saying, oh, President Trump's being reactionary. President Trump's being reactionary. So we had this. We had this situation last week, and I want to go back and explain a little bit about how this all got started. So we're explaining the backdrop of it, why myself, Charlie Kirk, and so many people fought for these things. Day before Thanksgiving last week, the White House need a volunteer. Young girl, 20 years old, member of the West Virginia National Guard. She volunteered to go and stand watch. She volunteered with her unit to stand watch at the White House day before Thanksgiving. On Thanksgiving, her mom and dad were not sitting around the table sharing the turkey, sharing the cranberry sauce, slice of pumpkin pie. No, they were in hospital bed and they were talking to doctors about whether or not they should take her off life support because an Afghan migrant walked up to her, pulled out a gun and shot her in the head the day before Thanksgiving, and her blood spilled out across the steps of the White House. You do something like that, and there will be a response. Mark my words. You do something like that in the context and in the midst of all of the things that have been done to the American people at the hands of these migrants, we're done. We're absolutely done. And that's why I appreciate and support what the President is saying. I don't care how you got here. I don't care what piece of paper you have. You are not welcome. It's done. It's absolutely done. All right, Goodbye. You were given a free pass. You were given a free pass to the United States of America. Free ticket, a free flight, even. Given all of it. And all you had to do was sit down and go to work and assimilate. Could you try not shooting our service members? Could you try not raping our women? Could you try not killing our children? But you couldn't. You just couldn't do it. There's been too much blood. There's been too much trauma. There's been too much rape, too many children killed. It's done. And then you attack our soldiers, literally, our men and women in uniform steps away from the White House and spill their blood, and you think there's not going to be a response. What kind of serious country would put up with something like this? What do you think would happen happen? What do you think would happen if a bunch of Afghans tried this or did this in Moscow? How about Beijing? How do you think that would go? Interesting. Kind of interesting. You know I was looking at some pictures of the Polish Christmas markets. They're up in Krakow, they're up in Froslav, different parts of the country. And you know what's interesting is.

[Oren McIntyre]

I.

[Jack Posobiec]

Don'T see stories like this coming out of Poland. The stories of migrants raping their citizens every day. The stories of terrorists driving in through the Christmas crowds. No, you don't hear it. Where do you hear that? You hear that in Western Europe. You certainly do. Every single day, there's another story, and this is why. It's been almost 10 years. It's been almost 10 years from the start of this movement. You go back, how did this all begin? Angela Merkel. All right, Angela Merkel and her mass migration plan. So she. She waited until the false song of multiculturalism had been spread throughout the EU and throughout America. And she waited and she bided her time. And then eventually she said, what we're going to do in the wake of the Arab Spring, the regime change that was launched by Western powers across the Middle East. Series of regime changes. Libya, Syria, Egypt, and say, you know, we're going to let all the refugees in, gonna let them all in. Then eventually it happens with Afghanistan, too. Iraq gets smashed. Where are they going to go? Well, they better come back to America. Got to come on back to America. And then when they. When they get sent back in, is anyone watching them? Is anyone keeping track? Is anyone seeing what's going on? No, you can't keep track of them. You have no idea who you let into the country. You have no clue. And our. Our great vice president said it himself to Margaret Brennan. What did he say? Because she said there was another terrorist attack that happened earlier, you know. You know, earlier in the year, and it was another migrant. And she's saying, well, you know, J.D. actually, that person was radicalized after he came to the United States, not before he came. And he just cuts her off. He said, you know something? You know something? I don't really care, Margaret. I don't want that person in my country free. That's the energy we need right now. That's the energy the Patriots need right now. Do you think that the boys of Valley Forge suffered that winter so that you could turn over this country and their heritage to mass migration? Do you think if you go look and I took this picture of, you know, kind of a forest, a fall field landscape of Valley Forge and the cabins, some of many of which are still standing from that time, some they've been refurbished. And imagine the corrupted mind that you have to have to look at a scene like this and say, you know, would really make this so much better is 100,000 Somalians living in low rent housing. That's what would really make this better. That's what will really make our country better. 100,000 Somalians living in Valley Forge. And let's just tear down all of our national parks and put up up low rent housing, low rent, high rises, put up the projects and fill them full of illegal aliens and Somalians and Muslims and whatever else you can find and just shove them all in there. And I don't really, to an extent, right. There are theories, to an extent, I have no idea why this is the globalist project. I mean, obviously there's moneyed interests, obviously they want to break up our, our ethnic and religious makeup in this country. They want the United States to fall apart. But ultimately, ultimately, this is what they're doing and this is what we have to fight against. So when I brought my boys to Valley Forge this weekend and I brought them to that National Memorial Arch, and I love that Trump is building an arch in Washington, D.C. as well, and I said, remember the patriots of Valley Forge, the first veterans, the first veterans of our nation. Remember what they fought for, remember what they sacrificed for. And then it's time for you to do your part as well. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.