Episode Overview

Title: America's First Veterans Were Not Fighting For A Multicultural Experiment
Podcast: Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec
Date: December 1, 2025
Guests: Oren McIntyre (Host, The Oren McIntyre Show)

This episode centers on what the host, Jack Posobiec, and guest Oren McIntyre argue is a false narrative about America's founding—specifically, the claim that the United States was conceived as a multicultural or multi-faith experiment. Drawing on Revolutionary War history, quotes from the Founders, and recent events involving immigration and national security, Jack and Oren advance the idea that American identity was intended to be cohesive, deeply rooted in a shared Christian heritage, and that current immigration policy undermines this foundation.

Main Discussion Themes

1. Valley Forge and Revolutionary Patriotism

• Jack’s Visit to Valley Forge (03:00–06:30):

  • Jack recounts visiting Valley Forge with his family, emphasizing the suffering and determination of the Continental Army.
  • He paints a picture of dire hardship—soldiers unaided, unpaid, unshod—and credits their endurance to faith, duty, and unity.
  • Quote:

    "But did they quit? Did they desert? No, they didn't quit. They didn't desert. You know why? Because General Washington needed them." (05:40, Jack)

• Legacy of Sacrifice:

  • Jack insists present-day Americans must be "worthy of the example of those Patriots."
  • He explicitly rejects the notion that these men fought for "some multicultural multi interfaith experiment," instead contending they fought for a Christian nation and its posterity.

2. America’s Founding Identity: Not Multiculturalism

• The Founders’ Vision (10:44–12:16):

  • Oren McIntyre cites the Federalist Papers, particularly John Jay, to argue the Founders envisioned a unified people—one language, heritage, and faith.
  • Admits limited diversity among early Americans (mostly Anglo-Protestants with some Catholics), but maintains it remained a distinctive identity.
  • Quote:

    “It was very clear that it had a dominantly an Anglo Protestant identity with some others mixed in… The idea that the United States can just be whatever collection of people happen to live inside its borders is ridiculous.” (11:12, Oren)

• Nation vs. Empire Analogy:

  • Oren distinguishes between a republic (requiring a cohesive, virtuous citizenry) and an empire (heterogeneous, multi-national subjects with varying rights).
  • Adds that current mass immigration moves the U.S. towards empire-like diversity rather than a unified nation.

• Virtue and Self-Governance (13:05–14:12):

  • Discusses, referencing Aristotle, Machiavelli, and John Adams, that a republic’s success depends on shared virtue stemming from a shared worldview and culture.
  • Argues that multiculturalism, as pushed by modern liberal democracies, makes self-governance weaker and society less cohesive.

3. Pushback on “Replacement” and Assimilation Debates

• Controversial Clip—Wajahat Ali (14:18–15:18):

  • Jack plays a clip from op-ed writer Wajahat Ali referencing demographic change in brash, racial terms.
  • Quote:

    “You lost. The mistake that you made is you let us in in the first place… We are a breeding people… our parties have better food, better music, better looking women.” (14:18, Wajahat Ali)

• Oren’s Response:

  • Frames Ali’s comments as indicative of broader sentiment among some immigrants and the political left, warning of “ethnic replacement.”
  • Argues that assimilation may occur in small numbers from compatible groups, but mass immigration undermines national identity.

• Assimilation: Anecdote on Jack’s Family (17:18–18:20):

  • Jack shares that his immigrant wife speaks perfect English as an example that some immigrants assimilate fully.
  • Oren supports the distinction between “assimilable” immigrants integrating into American culture versus those who form isolated enclaves.

4. Framing Reverse Migration and Its Critics

• Trump’s "Reverse Migration" and Media Blowback (21:55–23:36):

  • Jack and Oren discuss President Trump’s calls for “reverse migration” of unauthorized immigrants and those naturalized under allegedly fraudulent circumstances.
  • Oren notes the double standard: if removing immigrants is “ethnic cleansing,” then intentionally changing a nation’s demographics via immigration is too.

• History of U.S. Immigration Law:

  • Points to the 1965 Hart-Celler Act as a turning point, removing preferences for certain countries and radically altering the country’s demographic trajectory.

• Denaturalization Debate (23:46–26:20):

  • Jack plays Trump’s comments about “denaturalizing” those who lied or committed crimes during naturalization.
  • Oren explains denaturalization is legal, especially for fraud, and criticizes liberal narratives that claim US identity is purely propositional.

5. The Myth and Politics of Thanksgiving

• Deconstructing the “Multicultural Thanksgiving” Story (29:09–33:08):

  • Jack challenges the popular narrative of Pilgrims and Native Americans collaborating in harmony at the first Thanksgiving, calling it an 1800s invention.
  • Oren outlines the Pilgrims' desire to preserve a specific Protestant English identity, not assimilate into another or foster multicultural harmony.
  • He acknowledges limited Native assistance but calls modern retellings a “distortion.”
  • Quote:

    “Ultimately, this was a feast thanking God for their continued ability to live in this land.” (30:57, Oren)

• Impact of Historical Narratives on Policy:

  • Oren argues the stories a nation tells about its founding directly influence its policies and sense of self.
  • Warns that allowing the political left or even mainstream conservatives to rewrite or water down this history weakens national unity.

6. Current Events—Migration, Violence, and Nationhood

• Trigger for Trump’s Migration Policy Rhetoric (41:00–43:40):

  • Jack recounts the recent fatal shooting of West Virginia National Guardsman Sarah Beckstrom by an Afghan migrant near the White House.
  • He frames this event as a breaking point for public tolerance of current immigration policy.
  • Quote:

    “You do something like that in the context and in the midst of all of the things that have been done to the American people at the hands of these migrants, we're done. We're absolutely done.” (42:38, Jack)

• Comparison to Europe and “Globalist Project”:

  • Contrasts the supposedly peaceful and safe Poland to Western Europe’s problems with migrant violence and terrorism.
  • Blames Angela Merkel and the EU's embrace of multiculturalism/mass migration as the genesis of these problems.

• The Stakes for American Identity:

  • Posobiec warns that giving in to mass migration means betraying the “Valley Forge Patriots” and destroying America’s unique heritage.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On American Identity:

  • "They were fighting for the Christian God. And they were fighting so that their descendants...achieved greatness and excellence and was respected around the world." (06:20, Jack)

• On Founding Principles:

  • "A critical aspect of a functional republic is that shared identity, those shared values, and most importantly, a shared virtue based on a shared worldview." (13:19, Oren)

• On Immigration Policy:

  • “If reverse migration is ethnic cleansing, then what was the migration program all along?” (21:55, Jack)
  • “We have here...very clearly an attempt to ethnically cleanse the United States through immigration.” (23:20, Oren)

• On Denaturalization:

  • “If you committed fraud, if you committed crime in the naturalization process, you could be denaturalized.” (24:26, Jack)

• On National Stories and Policy:

  • “The stories that we tell about our founding...absolutely are reflected in the policies and the decisions that we make.” (33:06, Jack)
  • “If we lose sight of those, or we let the left manipulate that history...then they can change who we are today.” (33:45, Oren)

• On Recent Violence:

  • "Could you try not shooting our service members? Could you try not raping our women? ...But you couldn't. You just couldn't do it. There's been too much blood." (42:52, Jack)

Important Segment Timestamps

• Valley Forge History and the American Spirit | 03:00–07:20
• Founders’ Vision—John Jay and Unified Identity | 10:44–12:16
• Nation vs. Empire, Virtue and Self-Government | 12:16–14:12
• Clip: Wajahat Ali on Demographic Change | 14:18–15:18
• Assimilation vs. Enclaves—Personal Anecdotes | 17:18–19:08
• Trump’s Reverse Migration/Denaturalization Comments | 21:55–26:20
• Multicultural Thanksgiving Narrative Debunked | 29:09–33:08
• Stories & Policy, Power of Foundational Myths | 33:08–34:28
• Recent National Guard Shooting as Tipping Point | 41:00–43:40
• Comparing Poland to the U.S. and Western Europe’s Migrant Crisis | 43:40–45:50

Closing Thoughts

Jack Posobiec and Oren McIntyre contend that America’s founding was intended to create a united, virtuous, and distinctly Christian nation—not a multicultural experiment. They argue today's immigration policy—and the narratives spun around American history and holidays—undermine this core identity. The episode is charged, polemical, and full of historical allusions presented to frame current events as the continuation of a long battle over American nationhood and destiny.

Final Sentiment:

“Remember the patriots of Valley Forge, the first veterans...Remember what they fought for, remember what they sacrificed for. And then it's time for you to do your part as well.” (45:05, Jack)