BONUS EPISODE: HOW CORPORATE MEDIA HAS BEEN SHATTERED BY THE NEW AMERICAN REPUBLIC

Summary

Podcast Summary: "BONUS EPISODE: HOW CORPORATE MEDIA HAS BEEN SHATTERED BY THE NEW AMERICAN REPUBLIC"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec
• Host/Author: Human Events with Jack Posobiec
• Description: Human Events with Jack Posobiec delivers unfiltered and factual updates on current events' impact on the United States, challenging the biased mainstream media.
• Episode: Bonus Episode
• Release Date: February 23, 2025

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Introduction

In this bonus episode of Human Events Daily, host Jack Posobiec engages in a dynamic discussion with Raheem Kassam, Natalie Winters, and Joshua Lysak. The panel dives deep into the decline of corporate media, the rise of counter-journalism, and strategies for leveraging information to influence public perception and policy.

Panel Introduction

• Raheem Kassam: A commentator and international social media sensation with a background in the former Navy intelligence.
• Natalie Winters: Co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room and a prominent figure in counter-journalism.
• Joshua Lysak: A former Navy intelligence veteran and prolific ghostwriter with numerous co-authored works alongside Jack Posobiec.

Main Discussion Points

1. The Collapse of Corporate Media

The panel opens with Raheem Kassam highlighting the rapid decline of traditional corporate media outlets. Kassam asserts that the corporate media's failure is a significant victory for the new American Republic.

Raheem Kassam [03:05]: "I think what's really important right now, and I think we all need to cheer this and be grateful for it and, and thank God, quite frankly, that the corporate media is absolutely in free fall right now."

Jack Posobiec echoes this sentiment, criticizing the media's inaccuracies and biases.

Jack Posobiec [03:30]: "By the way, this is the corporate media that if you go and look up German Christmas market right now, they will tell you that a car supposedly drove itself into a German Christmas market yesterday. Car drives into market. Incredible."

2. Counter-Journalism as a Response

Raheem Kassam introduces the concept of counter-journalism, emphasizing the need to challenge and dismantle mainstream narratives through factual reporting.

Raheem Kassam [04:33]: "Defaming the President, United States on television."

Natalie Winters adds that counter-journalism goes beyond mere opinion, stressing the importance of primary source reporting and factual accuracy.

Natalie Winters [08:08]: "I think a lot of people want to take the easy route and just do talking points and post reels on Instagram, but you're not going to get anywhere if you're doing that. Have to do real, actual reporting, real news."

3. Weaponizing Information

Jack Posobiec and Raheem Kassam discuss the strategic use of information as a weapon against perceived political and social adversaries. They argue that disseminating accurate information can undermine mainstream media’s influence.

Raheem Kassam [05:12]: "Weaponizing information. And so I've got some of the best people about weaponizing information up on stage with me."

4. Building a Career in Counter-Journalism

Natalie Winters and Joshua Lysak provide insights into establishing a career in counter-journalism. They emphasize dedication, thorough research, and the use of digital tools to uncover suppressed information.

Natalie Winters [09:02]: "You have to do more than just putting out talking points over reels or tiktoks. You actually have to do real, actual reporting, real news, which I'm happy to get into."

Joshua Lysak [10:26]: "What makes these people better or more, you know, efficient or truthful in their reporting of, frankly, anything to us? And if anything, I think all they do is lie to us."

5. Specific Examples and Case Studies

The panel delves into specific instances where mainstream media allegedly failed to report accurately, using the Springfield, Ohio incident as a primary example.

Joshua Lysak [28:06]: "PolitiFact just came out and labeled the Springfield, Ohio story about the cats and the dogs as the lie of the year. They said that's the lie. Did you know that? 100% true that they did this?"

Natalie Winters discusses her investigative work uncovering Chinese Communist Party infiltration in American institutions, showcasing the depth and impact of counter-journalism.

Natalie Winters [16:17]: "One of the first stories that I ever Broke had to do. It was hidden in the Foreign Agent Registration act filings... they had to provide, quote, favorable coverage or quote, disseminate positive messages about the Chinese Communist Party."

6. Utilizing Digital Tools for Research

The discussion highlights the importance of digital tools like Archive.is and Wayback Machine in preserving and accessing deleted or altered content, crucial for uncovering the truth behind media narratives.

Natalie Winters [36:03]: "There's two sites that I like. One is called Archive Is, which is better for, in my opinion, actually archiving posts that are live that you think they're going to take down. And then there's waybackmachine.org..."

Insights and Advice

1. For Aspiring Counter-Journalists

The panel offers practical advice for individuals interested in pursuing counter-journalism. They stress the necessity of passion, thorough investigation, and persistence.

Jack Posobiec [21:10]: "If you're passionate about it, or it's something that maybe affected you personally, or it could just be something that you've always had a keen interest in and you want to pursue that."

2. Handling Backlash and Criticism

Joshua Lysak and Raheem Kassam discuss strategies for dealing with negative feedback and attacks, framing backlash as a marketing tool rather than a deterrent.

Joshua Lysak [38:34]: "Haters are your most valuable marketers every time. So Jack and I, we've had maybe 30 hit pieces written about us... and every time they write one, we share that."

3. Verifying Sources and Ethical Reporting

Jack Posobiec underscores the importance of verifying sources to maintain credibility and ethical standards in reporting.

Jack Posobiec [43:38]: "Look at that. In just 45 minutes, we've been able to go from a group of people who didn't even know each other to a room full of counter journalists."

Conclusion and Wrap-Up

The episode concludes with Raheem Kassam encouraging the audience to invest in and support counter-journalism platforms, emphasizing its role in shaping an informed and resilient society.

Raheem Kassam [41:11]: "We have to support the institutions. And it's not just the Pulse. It's obviously the war room. It's obviously the post Millennial, Human Events, all of those guys, too. You have to invest in the people that you say you believe in."

Jack Posobiec announces upcoming book signings, further promoting their counter-journalistic efforts.

Jack Posobiec [42:30]: "We're doing a book signing at some point. Today, 2pm and 4pm we're doing book signings."

Q&A Session Highlights

Question 1: Accessing Deleted or Altered Data

• Audience Member: "Where can you go to get data when mainstream search results are manipulated?"

• Natalie Winters [36:12]: "You get the algorithm... Mine get more real information."

  Solution Provided:

  • Utilize Archive.is for archiving live posts.
  • Use Wayback Machine for accessing revised websites and metadata extraction.

Question 2: Handling Social Media Backlash

• Audience Member: "How do you handle the backlash received on social media?"
• Raheem Kassam [37:47]: "The hate, the anger, the threats. It totally fuels me."
• Joshua Lysak [38:34]: "Haters are your most valuable marketers every time."

Question 3: Creating Influence Beyond Mainstream Media

• Audience Member: "How can we create a platform where mainstream media must engage with our narratives?"
• Raheem Kassam [39:55]: "We have to support the institutions. And it's not just the Pulse..."

Question 4: Ethical Boundaries in Exposing Individuals

• Audience Member: "Where is the line when exposing people locally might backfire on your reputation?"
• Jack Posobiec [43:12]: "That's a really good question... verify the person that you're talking to is who they say they are."

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Key Takeaways

1. Decline of Corporate Media: The panel posits that traditional media outlets are failing, creating space for alternative, truth-focused journalism.
2. Counter-Journalism: Emphasizes the necessity of challenging mainstream narratives through factual, investigative reporting.
3. Strategic Information Use: Advocates for weaponizing information to combat adversarial narratives effectively.
4. Career Development: Encourages aspiring journalists to engage deeply, utilize digital tools, and maintain ethical standards.
5. Handling Criticism: Frames backlash as an opportunity for visibility and marketing rather than a deterrent.
6. Support Systems: Highlights the importance of supporting alternative media institutions to sustain counter-journalistic efforts.

Notable Quotes

• Raheem Kassam [03:05]: "The corporate media is absolutely in free fall right now."
• Natalie Winters [09:02]: "Have to do real, actual reporting, real news."
• Joshua Lysak [28:06]: "PolitiFact... labeled the Springfield, Ohio story... as the lie of the year."
• Jack Posobiec [43:38]: "You've got a name, you've got an individual. And if they're using their platform... then by all means, expose away."

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This episode serves as a rallying call for individuals to engage in counter-journalism, offering both ideological rationale and practical strategies to undermine and replace mainstream media narratives. The panelists provide a blend of critique, personal experience, and actionable advice aimed at fostering a new wave of truth-driven journalism.

Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Joshua Lysak]

A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

[Raheem Kassam]

This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic. Christ is king, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us here and good morning. And you know, frankly, good new America to everybody We've got. I always love being the British guy at things because it's kind of confusing to a lot of people. Especially, you know, there are all these events that we have to do. And I was at the, I was in LA just two days ago speaking with Karen Zigman's group out there. If anybody knows it, they're doing fantastic work out there, believe it or not, in la. And of course, at the beginning of every event, there's the Pledge of Allegiance and there's the national anthem. And I just sort of have to stand there, be like, yep, you're singing about killing us again. You know, that's. But ladies and gentlemen, thank you for attending this morning. As Steve just said down on the war room. And I think we probably got some war room posse in here today. Quite a lot. Quite a lot. Jack, how much do you want this?

[Jack Posobiec]

So Raheem always makes the American Revolution joke and he's always, oh, you know, you guys should have stayed. You made the wrong move. It was all wrong. You should have listened to the cake. And he's got this whole thing about it. And then I guess that he. Something must have happened along the way, though, because he's been here since 2016 and he's played a major role in the second American Revolution. And so I think we're winning him over, folks. We're winning him over.

[Raheem Kassam]

Listen, you guys did the original Brexit, right? I just did the second one. So I want to welcome to the panel, you know, just people that I absolutely love working with, of course, Jack Posobec being one of them. Joshua Lysek, who's been instrumental in Jack's career, quite frankly, and probably one of my Favorite people on planet Earth. And then also Natalie Winters is here, ladies and gentlemen.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you.

[Natalie Winters]

The feeling's very mutual.

[Raheem Kassam]

That was a self introduction, by the way. You know, this, this panel, as they asked us to put it together, they kind of gave me free reign for what it's about.

[Natalie Winters]

Idea turning point.

[Raheem Kassam]

Yeah, terrible idea. I said, you know, I'm gonna be fresh straight out of Steve, what Steve just said. I came straight from the last party that was happening last night and straight up onto this stage. And I want, you know, I think what's really important right now, and I think we all need to cheer this and be grateful for it and, and thank God, quite frankly, that the corporate media is absolutely in free fall right now.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is the. By the way, this is the corporate media that if you go and look up German Christmas market right now, they will tell you that a car supposedly drove itself into a German Christmas market yesterday. Car drives into market. Incredible.

[Raheem Kassam]

Wasn't a Tesla.

[Jack Posobiec]

It wasn't one of these Waymos out here. I haven't tried the Waymos yet out here in Phoenix. Some people tried it, some people are trying to blow them up.

[Raheem Kassam]

I like it. I like the solitude of it. You don't get a, you know, smelly person in the car with you or whatever. Listen, the corporate media has earned its collapse, right? It's been not a journalistic endeavor for quite some time for these people. And whether you look at the Don Lemons of the world or the Chris Cuomo or the, oh, George snuffalofficus is paying $15 million for his lies, right? And by the way, they deserve a lot worse than that. They're getting off light if you ask me. Defaming the President, United States on television.

[Jack Posobiec]

Can we, can we. Speaking of George, real quick, can we.

[Raheem Kassam]

See what I meant about the microphone?

[Jack Posobiec]

I know, right? So, George Stephanopoulos, I don't know if you guys realize this. The 15 million that ABC has to pay to. Did you know that that all has to go directly to the Donald Trump Presidential Library. So hold on, hold on. So my thought is he should open up a wing to all of the hoaxes about him. And we name it the George Stephanopoulos Library of Fake News.

[Raheem Kassam]

Stealing that one. I'm stealing that one. That's a good one.

[Jack Posobiec]

I stole yours yesterday. So we'll make us even.

[Raheem Kassam]

It's just an exchange. The corporate media deserves to be in collapse. But I want to tell you guys, I see this trend amongst. And it's not a trend. I mean, it's the way of the world, of the TikTok influencers and the Instagram influencers and young people all seem to want to be that. But my message for you from this stage today is that, yes, that's good, and you're reaching lots of people, but actually there are real journalistic skills that you need to be building in to doing that thing, to building that audience, and to getting the truth out there. Information is a weapon, and if we use it right, we can defeat our enemies. We can defeat, quite frankly, the demons. I mean, I've been on Capitol Hill for nine years now. I have to fraternize these parties and these events all day long, every day. And these people are absolutely demonic. And what we need to be doing is weaponizing information. And so I've got some of the best people about weaponizing information up on stage with me. And I want to start with Natalie, because I think she's just obviously been a breakout star. I mean, frankly, a breakout star on the right. A breakout star in media. A breakout star of anybody that I've ever worked with. Do.

[Jack Posobiec]

We love Natalie Winters, folks?

[Raheem Kassam]

But the reason is she actually does the hard work. As much as we like to joke around and hang out and whatever.

[Natalie Winters]

Let me just interrupt.

[Raheem Kassam]

She does the hard work.

[Natalie Winters]

The two of you last week were texting me, you don't work anymore. You don't do any work.

[Jack Posobiec]

How do you think we get you to work?

[Natalie Winters]

Look, I would also just add real quick, too, on the whole media collapse thing. I think what really triggered them, made them really upset, was when Elon bought X and I think made the blue check mark sort of. He democratized it. And I use democracy in the good sense, not the way that MSNBC does it, but that really got under their skin, right? And, you know, they get so upset when Elon says, you know, you're the media now. And I think my question is, and always has been, you know, what makes these people better or more, you know, efficient or truthful in their reporting of, frankly, anything to us? And if anything, I think all they do is lie to us. It's pretty apparent now. So I think that compounded with the fact that a lot of the. What we call in the war room, sort of the censorship industrial complex, right? The Global Engagement Center, News Guard organizations that I'm sure have probably all censored you guys in the audience, that they've been exposed. And that was something that you didn't really hear a lot about before. But so when you see that they don't have what we call sort of The Praetorian Guard no longer to defend their narratives. I think that they've also collapsed considerably in that sense to Raheem's point. For those of you who don't know me, I'm the co host of Steve Bannon's War Room, which we love. The War Room. I started, and it's so wonderful to see so many young people in the audience. I'm also honored to be the token woman on this panel. But I started working, believe it or not, for Raheem when I was 18. After I graduated high school. I was like, I really want to intern for Raheem Kassam. I swear my mom looked at me and was like, what? What do you want to do?

[Raheem Kassam]

Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

We all tried to talk her out of it.

[Natalie Winters]

Yeah, he tried. And I met all these wonderful people and they've been so empowering. Worked my way up ultimately to become a contributor to War Room. But now I'm Steve's co host and filled in for him when he was in prison. And, you know, I think I see a lot of young women in this room and young men. You know, there's different routes that you can take. And I'm not speaking from a position of privilege or acting, trying to sound patronizing, but I think a lot of people want to take the easy route and just do talking points and post reels on Instagram, but you're not going to get anywhere if you're doing that. Have to do real, actual reporting, real news, which I'm happy to get into. It might be too granular for some people if you're not into it, but that's how you're able to build a career. Don't do opinion commentary. No offense. The one thing I internalized when I started, no one cares about my opinion. I was 18 at the time. I don't know what I'm talking about. So I really just stuck to primary source reporting. And that's what I would advise all young people to do.

[Raheem Kassam]

And I want you to be aware of this. I wasn't saying that nobody cares about your opinion just because you're an 18 year old woman. I actually have very little concern for, you know, general opinion. I'm a news guy, you know, get me the information, the hard data. I don't want any of this anonymous sourcing bs, quite frankly. And I think, you know, when you talk about you have to do more than just putting out talking points over reels or tiktoks. You know, you actually as people who regard themselves as influencers or who Want to go that route. You already have most of the things in common with journalists. And, you know, it's curiosity and it's content creation. Those are the two major skill sets that you need to go out and do actual news reporting. One of the things I think you guys did, Josh, with your books especially, is going further, going beyond asking the difficult questions. You know, that's real news reporting. Talk to us a little bit about you and your process.

[Natalie Winters]

Yes.

[Joshua Lysak]

Thanks, Rahim. Hello, everyone. I'm obviously Joshua Lysig. And my career began and ghost writing and I've ghostwritten a number of books. 96 books I've ghostwritten in the last 14 years. So I'm a bit of a machine, but I'll say half of those have been in the last few years as opposed to towards the beginning. And of course, I co authored Bulletproof and Unhumans, both with Jack. Jack was. Thank you.

[Raheem Kassam]

By the way, if you can get unsigned copies, they're worth more.

[Joshua Lysak]

And if you're.

[Jack Posobiec]

Raheem, how many copies of your book are you selling here this weekend?

[Raheem Kassam]

Zero. Nothing. Nada.

[Natalie Winters]

I chose the wrong seat.

[Joshua Lysak]

In between you guys, I ghostwriting and co author books with a lot of the characters in Trump World and Maga World. Do we have anybody who's a simultaneous sipper? Coffee with Scott Adams? Anyone? Oh, we got a few.

[Raheem Kassam]

I'm one. I'm one.

[Joshua Lysak]

Okay, so I work with Scott on his books.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, wait, my mom's back there. Mom, you better have had your hand up. She's every single day simultaneous. That's my mom right there, by the way.

[Joshua Lysak]

So the sort of journalism that you might call what I do is sort of more like long form sense making. Long form sense making, which is simply longer stuff that helps you make sense of the world. Now, one of the reasons why Unhumans, which is a book about communist revolutions, has been so successful, selling many thousands of copies as it has, and being a New York Times bestseller is not because it's history of the past, because it's a history of the present and also the future. Unless we do something to stop it. So when we look back at history, we have to ask what's in it for me? So what? So if you are thinking about authoring a book, authoring long form content, or even doing any kind of reporting, you have to have in the forefront of your mind what your audience's question is going to be, what your reader's question is going to be, which is what's in it for me? Why do I care? Now there are both independent and mainstream journalists who think, well we will make them care. We will use rage bait. Rage and fear get people to click clicks advertisement cash money. So it's going to be outrage, is going to be fear. But that's not more. We don't need more of that. What we need is wow, I never realized that. I never knew that. I had no idea that's what's going on. That's how it affects me personally. You know there's that meme of the, the annoying Soy Jack I think he's called, where it's like but how does this affect you personally? That's the question that we need to be asking ourselves as we're sharing this books on communism. Nobody cares because it does not affect you personally. So we had to do a little sense making and explain how the template of far left wing revolutions and movements follow the same template over the last 250 years and we can expect to happen. What exactly is going to is what has been happening since the 1950s, sort of a slow walked cultural revolution in the United States. And this is one example to help people realize what they can do personally. So chapter 13 of the book is sort of the plan to fight back on this. And we tell individual readers who are like soccer moms who are they just started a podcast and there's 50 people or you just listen to podcasts. What can the individual do? How does this affect me personally? There's another series I like to do on X called Spot the Propaganda where I'll look at headlines from the mainstream media and I'll run through between 5 and 15, let's say hypnotizing techniques to bring you into a trance to accept the premise. And one of those is the over reliance on the passive voice. A car was driven, individual was stabbed, so it's sort of a passive voice. So that. And that of course is communism where it's oppressor versus oppressed, where, well, if someone who is in an oppressed category did something that's wrong and evil and terrible, well we have to switch it from the active this person did this to the passive. We don't even have to put them in the story. And then if they do have active voice, what will they say? Republicans pounce.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, there's a section in there and the media does this as well. And the communist regime that we're under also uses this where it essentially follows the narcissistic personality traits of anyone who's been in one of these emotionally abusive, toxic relationships called Darvo. So has Anyone heard Darvo? I actually see some people have heard this one. So have you read the book?

[Raheem Kassam]

Awful.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so she read it in the book. And it's once you see it, Once you see it, you can't stop seeing it. So this D A R V O, deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. So you deny, you attack, and then you reverse the victim and offender. And so for those of you out there who see one of these things, like, for example, I don't know, let's just pluck one out of the media. Luigi Maggione. So Luigi Maggione is a perfect example of this where we've seen in increasingly in the media Vox and other outlets are saying, they'll say, well, we don't agree with what Luigi Maggione did. We understand why, and here's why. And so what they're doing is they're attempting to reverse victim and offender here. And once you see it, you can't unsee it anymore. And so these are the types of tactics that if you are a content creator, once you see one of these things, it could be something at a local level, it could be something regional, it could be something bigger. Suddenly you can then become a. There's an interesting phrase that I heard once that someone used to describe me and probably would apply to most of the folks up here. It's not necessarily that what we're doing is journalism. What they said is what you guys do is counter journalism. You're doing counter journalism to the mainstream narrative. You're doing counter journalism to the lies that are out there in the world. You're uncovering truth. And so when Natalie Winters can find the links between Anthony Fauci and Peter Daschak and Shi Zhang Li, the Bat lady in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, it turns out that Anthony Fauci may have been lying the entire time.

[Natalie Winters]

Okay, well, that is true. I don't think Anthony Fauci likes me very much or Peter Dawshak, but I'm very proud to have done that. A lot of my background in reporting was exposing Chinese Communist Party infiltration. And I think a lot of people are like, oh, my gosh, how did you do it? And I think that you have to capitalize on the fact that the mainstream media reporters that we're up against, it's not just that they have an agenda and are trying to use neo Marxist tactics, smear our movement in a certain way, but they're also wholly compromised, in particular by the Chinese Communist Party. One of the first stories that I ever Broke had to do. It was hidden in the Foreign Agent Registration act filings. And it showed that reporters from basically every single outlet, Washington Post, the New York Times, even Fox, Harvard Business Review, dozens of outlets had been basically taking free, if not subsidized trips to China paid for by Chinese Communist Party influence groups. One notably called the China United States Exchange Foundation. And in exchange, they had to provide, quote, favorable coverage or quote, disseminate positive messages about the Chinese Communist Party. And Rahim and I later did more research into it because they had deleted the identities of basically all the journalists who took these trips. But I said, no, no, no, I'm gonna find these people. And I did. But you have to. No, no. But to the point, if you're standing up there and you're like, great, I'm on board. I want to do the journalism, but how do I do it? So much of it is so simple in the sense that you gotta learn how to use Archive is the Wayback Machine. And you pull up deleted web pages and you compare the stealth edits. A lot of the docum have used for my reporting have been previously deleted. It's learning how to kind of algorithmically like search the Internet for certain keywords. So there's a lot of tips and ways to I always say kind of, kind of hack. And the last point that I'd put to what you're saying in terms of the syntax and the diction, analytically, the framing that they use to just kind of elicit a sort of primal response, right when you read something, they love the passive voice. Anything except if it's not President Trump. But that the timing of all these stories is very, very important. What do I mean by that? I'm sure you guys have all seen that like the bird flu, right, is the new big scare. You can't go a day without hearing about it. And there was like a three hour period just a few days ago where the New York Times put out, puts out a long form profile piece saying the bird flu pandemic could be the largest catastrophe we could miss in human history. Then an hour later Bloomberg is out saying, oh, lab leaks can actually happen. Wild imagine that. And then MIT Technology Review comes out with a piece saying how a bird flu pandemic is going to happen in the near future. So it's just sort of a coordination and narratives. And I think the one thing we've always sort of hammered on the war room and probably hearing me talk, you can tell something a little off with my brain. But it's all about Pattern recognition and being able to see the threads pulled through different stories and I think to what you're saying, kind of understanding what their ultimate goal is. And in the case of the bird flu stuff, it's normalizing you guys, desensitizing you to the idea that if a bird flu pandemic were to be happen or were to happen, oops, it just happened. It's totally normal.

[Raheem Kassam]

Yeah. Look, I. I don't think any of us really came into this, I don't want to say industry, but came into our roles as a result of somebody just handing us, you know, a pen and paper or a microphone or whatever, or somebody subsidizing us. We all kind of have really no.

[Natalie Winters]

George Soros trash, bankrolled our careers.

[Raheem Kassam]

Right. None of us are Nepo babies. Right. We all kind of hard grafted our way into this. And when I started doing this kind of work in a much smaller environment in Westminster in England, I was very much told like, hey, this isn't for you. Don't you dare. You know, how could you possibly compete with the BBC and Sky News and all of that stuff? And the more people started to tell me that, the more it gave me the hunger to actually go out there and carve this new media thing out for myself and build a brand and make sure that people understood that, hey, you don't actually have to take what the BBC says or what CNN says, you know, as a given. And so I wanted to ask Jack about that, especially because, Jack, you have built probably one of the largest accounts out there now doing political news. I mean, you did a lot of culture stuff early on as well. I just talk a little bit for those in the room who are kind of keen to get into this, but they see like, oh, I couldn't do that. How do I do it? He has 2.5 million followers. How would I ever do that? How did you get there?

[Jack Posobiec]

It's 2.9. Actually.

[Raheem Kassam]

400,000 are fake.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so, no, and thank you, Raheem. I appreciate that. And if I were being a good friend, I would say it'd be like watching people like Raheem who were there in the fight ahead of me. But I'm not going to do that because he's already been part of the.

[Natalie Winters]

Thanks for being so nice to each other. I know, it's so weird.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so it's basically the idea that I would say is there is news going on around you all the time, everywhere there are stories to be told. There are examples of counter journalism that you can do and every once in a while, something might pop into your lap or something might come up, and suddenly you have an opportunity to do that. And it's something either you're passionate about, or it's something that maybe affected you personally, or it could just be something that you've always had a keen interest in and you want to pursue that. But you do need to have a certain kind of a beat. You do need to have a certain focus area, and it's important to actually have a background in some of these things. So, you know, it's hard because these days on the Internet, you're expected to be almost an expert of all things. What's your hot take? What's your hot take on this? I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. You know, what's your hot take on this? What's your hot take on that? And there used to be this meme on X that, oh, the virology experts are now cybersecurity experts and are now election integrity experts on day three. And, you know, it's all the same people within the same week. And it's ridiculous. And so the idea is. And Steve Bannon had a quote once that. And Raheem kind of paraphrased it earlier, but he had this great quote where he said, facts get shares, opinions get shrugs. Facts get shares, opinions get shrugs. Find facts. Find facts that no one else is talking about. Find facts that could potentially entirely change things that are going on in the world around you, in the narrative around you. One of the earliest things I remember that I quote, unquote, went viral for was simply finding all the way back in early 2017, that James Comey had changed his testimony from one House appearance to another, and in one House appearance, and I don't remember all of it at the top of my head, but it was essentially this. It was. It was essentially that he had said that he'd never felt any pressure from on high during any investigation that he was conducting. Okay? And he said this in 2017. This was after President Trump had become president. Then a couple of weeks later, after he had been fired, he then said, president Trump told me to shut down the Mike Flynn investigation. I don't know if you guys remember. This was a whole narrative. And they said that Comey was actually fired to shut down Russiagate, et cetera. And I simply posted the transcripts of the articles saying, well, wait a minute. A couple weeks ago, he just said he never felt any pressure. But the point is that you've got to Be doing the work, you've got to be doing the reading, you've got to be putting the time in, you've got to be putting the hours in. And people will say, oh, you know, poso, how do you, how do you know this? How do you know that? You always got like some comment. It's when, when I'm not here or not spending time with, with the lovely Tanya Tay and the boys, I'm just constantly reading, I'm constantly consuming information. And that's a huge part of it as well. Because in this, this is why. By the way, have you ever noticed one of these mainstream media types, when they go on a podcast or sit on a panel like this and try to go long form or they go on Joe Rogan or something and they completely collapse. They utterly collapse. I've seen, seen them, by the way, in the White House briefing room and perhaps we'll be seeing them again. I hope President Trump shuts that room down. To be honest, I don't think we should be doing that at all. It serves no purpose. And what he should do, by the way, is go to that. Remember, you know, like the fake Oval Office that they have in the other then the EEOB next door, but they put Joe Biden in there to make him think he's president. So take that room, by the way. Take that room and then fill it with podcasters and citizen journalists and people like the War Room and people like Real America's Voice and fill it up with people who actually want to tell the truth. But I've seen those journalists and quote unquote, mainstream corporate media journalists, and they have these producers and then the producer goes in their ear and tells them what to say. And then when they get off camera, they're scrolling Instagram, they're like hanging out with their friends. They have no idea what they're talking about. They're clueless. And the biggest thing that we and so understand, if you're in this world and you're in this side of it, your job is to break them. And we can't do that by just calling them names or accusing them and labeling them. No, we break them with facts.

[Joshua Lysak]

And something I could add if I may to that is we may be up here, but each of you have the capacity to be a sense maker in your industry, in your geography, in your community most of the time. And at least in this election cycle, going back further, the top stories that everyone is paying attention to, that sucks all the energy away from everything else and focus on this is because Some person had a cell phone and they were paying attention. You remember the Biden selling off the border wall as fast as he can, right? That story is because some guy was paying attention and he thought, wait, wait a second, what are they doing here? Are they doing what I think I'm doing? So he connected the dots. That's a pattern recognition. Wait a second, are they doing what I think they're doing? Pulls out his phone, starts recording it, he sends it to somebody, Sends it to somebody. Sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody. And then it gets posted and then it gets millions and millions of views and everyone's talking about it. Each one of you have the potential to do that in your community. And maybe it's just you notice some corruption on city council or as Vanessa Battaglia here. Vanessa, can you raise your hand? Vanessa? Yes. So Vanessa is a fantastic example of local journalism noticing. Wait a second, the Chinese Communist Party is having influence inside of my state. I'm noticing things and I'm writing about it and they're getting published in large publications. Each one of you can be the Vanessa Battaglia of your community, your state, your industry. Just notice what is going on and write about it and talk about it. And I don't know if anyone else on the panel will agree with me, but I often write pieces that are counter narrative for the mainstream press, for BBC, for Sky News, for Newsweek, for Forbes, Business Insider. And it's often the very first time that counter perspective has ever been published. And most of the time these people aren't, as Rahim said, they have no idea what they're talking about. Jack said, they just have opinions, no facts. So if you put something out there and send it to one of their editors to publish, they may have absolutely no idea that what you have said goes counter to their own narrative that they've been putting out there.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're going to bear. You're just burying your own lead on here, aren't you? So I'm going to have to. I'm going to have to do it for you and I'm going to tell people he's not saying it. Do you guys remember the story that came out in this election, which really became one of the pivot points of the entire election, when President Trump was retweeting and talking about the Haitian migrants and the cats and the dogs in Springfield, Ohio? Remember that? Well, let me tell you don't remember that. You don't remember that. Well, maybe what you don't know is one of the first accounts to talk about it was someone who's from that part of Ohio named Joshua Lysak and said it's 100% true and these people are lying to you.

[Raheem Kassam]

Go ahead.

[Joshua Lysak]

Yes. So I'm from Dayton, which is the next door to, to Springfield, and it is, it is regularly kind of known colloquially that Haitians in Haiti have from time to time consumed domesticated animals because they come, it's a very underdeveloped nation. You gotta eat. And that's what one does in that sort of an environment, unfortunately. And so you bring that from there to here. It just simply follows. So I've been sharing experience that I've had with Haitian clients and customers that I've met over the years and oftentimes that sort of fact based information, even though it's anecdotal, it helps create a fact based narrative versus the communist oppressor versus oppressed narrative. Well, they're poor and they're not white, so therefore anything they do is justified. And I saw opinion makers do this. They would say, well, obviously not eating cats and the dogs, you're racist. Well, okay, maybe they are, but that's okay in their culture. Don't be xenophobic. Right. And they just shift. They have to shift because that's what the oppressor versus oppressed meta narrative is. And one of the things that we have to understand about the, the left wing establishment instead of meta narrative, it's the story that is within every story. It's a story that decides every story is that it rejects good and evil as existing. It rejects good and evil. Everything is equal. It's communist, it's communal, it's equality. There is no view or culture or opinion or belief or behavior that's better than any others unless we perceive you to have power.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so that story, by the way, so a local story, which became a national narrative. And here's Joshua who's able to tell us all that it was 100% true. PolitiFact just came out in the same way. And as Natalie was explaining that these organizations do, PolitiFact just came out and labeled the Springfield, Ohio story about the cats and the dogs as the lie of the year. They said that's the lie. Did you know that? 100% true that they did this? They call it the lie of the year, even though people like Joshua and then Chris Ruffo and others found exact documentary evidence of it.

[Raheem Kassam]

So we will move on to Q and A. I imagine that some of you got some burning questions to ask in just a moment. But I Want to let Natalie wrap in just a second, but I also want to remind the audience of how you and I met and how this all began, because you talked about beats and having a beat and, you know, getting into that process and developing that mindset where you're hyper focused on things.

[Jack Posobiec]

I was referencing something.

[Raheem Kassam]

So Natalie once comes to me and she's pitching like, I want to do this. I want to be a reporter. I want to be a journalist.

[Natalie Winters]

I was 18.

[Raheem Kassam]

She was 18 years old. And I'm. What am I on my phone or I'm texting or something? I'm barely paying attention.

[Natalie Winters]

I just turned to Uber, not a driver.

[Raheem Kassam]

Yeah, we were in Uber, and she was the driver.

[Natalie Winters]

And I'm a good reporter. I'm not a good driver.

[Raheem Kassam]

Okay, Facts. So I just turned to her and I was like, okay, so what's your beat?

[Joshua Lysak]

And she said, I really like Taylor Swift.

[Natalie Winters]

I didn't know what he meant. I thought he was asking what music I like. Well, that has not aged well in light of recent developments. But my. My concluding sentiment as the. Not just token woman, but not to neg you guys, but the token young person on this panel, the corollary to the fact that they've weaponized every part of society, of this country is that within every nook and cranny of this wonderful country, there is a story waiting to be reported out. And my advice to people who are in college or high school, I was always told by people, oh, Natalie, you're so smart. You should just go write for the college paper. And I was like, yeah, I know, that's cool, but I would rather go work for Steve Bannon and Raheem Kassam and host their show and actually, like, work. And well, then I. Then I got kicked out of my sorority for being transphobic. That's another panel that we'll have. But so my advice to young people is don't just limit yourself to the confines of your high school paper. The media environment ecosystem is so ever evolving. I know. It used to be like, you know, the kid would go on Fox, and then maybe they'd start a media career. But now you have so many opportunities, so many shows that would love to have you on to talk about the woke stuff you're being taught in school, stuff like that. And then my other just piece of advice to people who are sitting here like, cool, sounds good. I'm on board with everything you're saying, but I am a successful, you know, businessman, or I don't work in politics, and I don't know what to do. Well, you guys have the credentials to write for, in my opinion, the publications that you're talking about, Joshua.

[Raheem Kassam]

Right.

[Natalie Winters]

The more business insiders of the world, the Forbes of the world, where you can sort of give that counter narrative, that counter perspective that your sort of alternative set of apolitical credentials can give sort of more legitimacy to narratives that when we say it right, it gets dismissed as the biggest lie of the year. But when it comes from an actual professional type, you know, we're smocked and smeared as the top spreaders of misinformation. Which I say thank you, but I think that that's sort of two alternative ways that people who are maybe sitting there saying, how do I get involved? Can get involved.

[Raheem Kassam]

Yeah. The amazing thing, ladies and gentlemen, is it's actually remarkably easy. I think, I think with the no.

[Natalie Winters]

No, we have to tell them it's really hard.

[Raheem Kassam]

No, but this is the thing. I mean getting into it is actually remarkably easy because the media industry is in such flux because these corporate news outlets are failing and collapsing and because people are more curious than ever before and are seeking alternative voices. Actually you can force your way in and get to the, you know, I wouldn't say the tippy tops immediately, but you can really, really make an impact. Very with remarkably. Listen, the work itself, the day to day is absolutely hard work, but you got to keep pushing, you got to keep trying. Don't take no for an answer. And the corporate press will always treat that industry like it's exclusive. Whereas everyone here, everyone at Turning Point, everyone who I know on the political right, we are inclusive. We are here to help you. We are here to bring you in. We are not here to keep you out. We want more voices. You know, I always quote the, the line from Men in Black. Remember that when he's training Will Smith in the first movie and then by the end of it he says, I wasn't training a partner, I was training a replacement. We are constantly having to train a new generation of people coming up, new talent. Natalie will be old one day as well. You'll have to do the same thing.

[Natalie Winters]

Go to journalism school, bring people up. Can I interrupt you real quick?

[Raheem Kassam]

Yes.

[Natalie Winters]

Also, you guys are so lucky that you're on this side of the political aisle because I was a 18 year old girl from California who showed up to D.C. i just wanted to work in politics. And these two men, I'm sorry, but I didn't know you, you were in dating with the Haitians. But they were so kind and so empowering. Not dating the Haitians and dated with the Haitians. I need some media coaching. Okay. But that you guys, I mean, seriously have been so kind and nice and supportive, and I know that you guys would do the same for, I'm sure, anyone who's in this audience. So just take a chance. You never know.

[Raheem Kassam]

Mostly because if there's more people involved, it's less work that I have to do. Let's take some questions. We've got 10 minutes, so keep it brief. No long statements, please. No manifestos. Let's start right here at the front. Thank you.

[Joshua Lysak]

Natalie, you mentioned a place to get deleted posts. A lot of times I try to do research and I Google something. You just get slopped.

[Natalie Winters]

You get the algorithm.

[Joshua Lysak]

Where can you go to get data?

[Natalie Winters]

Mine get more real information.

[Joshua Lysak]

Thank you.

[Natalie Winters]

Sure. There's two sites that I like. One is called Archive Is, which is better for, in my opinion, actually archiving posts that are live that you think they're going to take down. And then there's waybackmachine.org which gives you sort of a time map. It lets you know when they've revised websites, and you can sort of get a metadata extraction to see what exactly they've revised and where. Some of you might be like, what the heck are you talking about? But I like Wayback Machine, personally. Archive dot is one of the things.

[Raheem Kassam]

That I will add to that as well, is that a lot of people will get stymied by, you know, using Google, using mainstream search engines, and they'll give up very quickly. If you familiarize yourselves with, you know, how to use search engines in an advanced way, you can actually just Google that, by the way, and figure it out. You can get a whole lot more out of a search engine than just, like, typing in that bar.

[Natalie Winters]

And you learn they delete all their videos on YouTube, but they leave them up on Vimeo, and they delete all their documents from their website, but they still keep them up on the site called, like, scribd or scribd. Scribd. So you learn. You learn the hacks.

[Raheem Kassam]

Let's go over here. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

My name's Trey. I'm the Turning Point Chapter president at.

[Joshua Lysak]

The University of South Carolina.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I just wanted to ask you guys.

[Raheem Kassam]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

How do you guys basically handle all of the backlash that you receive on social media and online, especially, like Jack in the last 45 minutes?

[Raheem Kassam]

Well, I don't know about you guys, but it fuels me. The hate, the anger, the threats. It totally fuels me, Josh.

[Joshua Lysak]

So Remember this, bad reviews from bad people are good reviews. Haters are your most valuable marketers every time. So Jack and I, we've had maybe 30 hit pieces written about us and the book on humans. New York Times, multiple times, major, major presses. And every time they write one insta Share that. Grab the juiciest insults, highlight it, share it. You know, and I have a ghostwriting business. This is what I do. So I will send out to my client list, look what they said about me today.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait for the, for the record folks, he was sending the press releases to the journalists to get the hit pieces written. That's how much he loves backlash against him. You turn it into a marketing strategy and a business plan.

[Joshua Lysak]

That's, that's actually true. We read our press releases that sensationalize a story around the book or whatnot and send it off to socialist bloggers and so on. Humans, the best selling communism book in modern history was denounced by the Communist Party USA. They wrote a 4,000 word book review as it's, it's worse than every reader. It's worse than every right wing book ever written, which is just spectacular.

[Natalie Winters]

Natalie, I don't want to up. Oh no, you go ahead.

[Joshua Lysak]

It just seems like the mainstream media is dying, but until they say it's not official. And I'm just wondering if you guys have any ideas about how can we like create something where they, they have to come to your table.

[Natalie Winters]

You're the, like we're, we're there like X Twitter.

[Joshua Lysak]

But I don't know any ideas about.

[Raheem Kassam]

That is just clarify that point for a second.

[Joshua Lysak]

It's, it's, it's like I talk to people. They don't, they don't listen to all.

[Raheem Kassam]

These podcasts and everything.

[Joshua Lysak]

And I'll say, well this is what's going on. And they just have no perception of. And usually what they'll say is until mainstream media.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, so no, I know exactly you're saying so you know, you can use the Haitians as that you can use obviously yesterday you know who was driving the car with this horrific attack. And the video is very rough. I don't actually recommend people watching it if you don't have a, if you don't want to. But the greatest thing we can all do is band together and stop listening to them and getting. And by the way, J.D. vance has been fantastic on this. J.D. vance has been incredible on this. And by the way, the Springfield situation happened in his state where he was the senator and he said, excuse me, mainstream media. I have people from there Calling me, telling me that it's not true. You really just have to get politicians to hold the line. And honestly, when you find ones who don't, especially if they're Republicans, I really recommend bullying them. I recommend harassing them. I recommend demeaning them and just lowering their social capital. We need to shame Republicans and bully Republicans into doing our bidding when we're on the truth. When we're on the side of truth.

[Raheem Kassam]

So I get the question, and I have a little bit of tough love in response to it, right? Because you know, all right, how many people in this room know of the National Pulse, the website that we run? Okay, so about half the room, right? How many of those people have the National Pulse app with push notifications installed on their phones? Right? This is the problem. No, this is the problem. We all want to be part of the solution. And for the people who are building the institutions, you know, we have a nice clean site. We serve the news in a very presentable and respectable way. But the problem is everybody still defaults back to like, oh, well, I'm going to share the New York Times article about this or I'm going to share the CNN article about this. Unless we invest in our own people. And I mean this to everybody in the room. The next time next year when we're up here doing this panel again, I want every hand up when I ask, do you have the National Pulse app installed on your phone? Because not only are we more truthful, we are faster than the mainstream media to all the stories. And you get the real news up, up front and on your phone immediately as it happens. So in order to combat that narrative where people are defaulting back, we have to support the institutions. And it's not just the Pulse. It's obviously the war room. It's obviously the post Millennial, human events, all of those guys, too. You have to invest in the people that you say you believe in, right? That it's a two way street.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the books.

[Raheem Kassam]

The books. The books. Especially the books.

[Jack Posobiec]

We're doing a book signing at some point. Today, 2pm and 4pm we're doing book signings.

[Raheem Kassam]

Where?

[Jack Posobiec]

In the vendor hall.

[Raheem Kassam]

In the vendor hall.

[Jack Posobiec]

The vendor hall. And then one at the RAV booth.

[Raheem Kassam]

And remember, the unsigned copies will go for more on ebay. I think we have time for one more question. Anybody? Let's go. Oh, we got it right at the back there.

[Natalie Winters]

Yeah. I have a question about when, like, especially when you're a local person, when.

[Raheem Kassam]

Like, exposing people, like, where is the line that it May go too far.

[Natalie Winters]

Or cause more controversy. Like example of, I know, like, there.

[Raheem Kassam]

Was the female worker that, with the.

[Natalie Winters]

Text message just skipping Trump houses.

[Raheem Kassam]

But I mean, I have had.

[Natalie Winters]

I've gotten, you know, personal text messages from people from nonprofits that claim to.

[Raheem Kassam]

Be nonpartisan or bipartisan that clearly show that they have an agenda, but, like, otherwise do good work. And sometimes by, you know, inviting them to talk or maybe gotcha them or.

[Natalie Winters]

Exposing things like that or recording them backfire on your reputation.

[Raheem Kassam]

And I don't know if those staff.

[Natalie Winters]

Members even represent everyone in the company.

[Raheem Kassam]

Like, is that always, like, where's the line? Where that's not the best way to deal with it? Great question.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's a really good question. So this is a journalistic kind of question. You're thinking journalistically already. Look at that. In just 45 minutes, we've been able to go from a group of people who didn't even know each other to a room full of counter journalists. About 300 of us here. This is incredible. And we're gonna go and teach this to others now. That's a great question, because you do have to be careful. So. And this is something obviously James O'Keefe has to deal with because he's constantly exposing people. So the main thing you have to do, number one, I think verify. You must verify the person that you're talking to is who they say they are. This is something I had to deal with with source work in the intelligence community. So one thing we look at is called P and A. So what is their placement? What is their access? Placement and access. And if all of these things are verified and you have that person on the record, then as Raheem Kassam just said, well, hold on a second. That's not an anonymous source. You've got a name, you've got an individual. And if they're using their platform, whether it be public or they're using public funds or something like this, or taking fundraising donations and using it for nefarious purposes like, oh, I don't know, the Black Lives Matter global initiative, then by all means, expose away.

[Raheem Kassam]

Well, ladies and gentlemen, I think we're being given the hook here. But I want to thank you all for joining us this morning. Thank you all for being here at this conference. I want to thank our wonderful panelists, Josh Lysik, Natalie Winters, Jack Bosobic. Please give them a very, very big hand and enjoy the rest of your conference and enjoy the new America.