Chris Bedford (2:24)

Lincoln Fellows.

Jack Posobiec (2:25)

We were both Lincoln Fellows in the. In the same cohort Which, Which Charlie Kirk did, I guess, two years after us. I want to say.

Chris Bedford (2:32)

Yeah, he was in the younger class.

Jack Posobiec (2:33)

Yeah, I want to say he. Oh, was he. Was he Publius?

Chris Bedford (2:36)

No, no, he was. He was. He was Lincoln as well.

Jack Posobiec (2:37)

Oh, he was Lincoln. Yeah. Okay.

Chris Bedford (2:38)

Yeah, he's just, he just graduated after we did. We're the old heads.

Jack Posobiec (2:41)

Yeah, we are the old, the old heads here. But, you know, it's, it's, it's really great to be here and I appreciate this. You know, it's, it's interesting because we, we had had this scheduled a while ago and, you know, I was, I remember throwing it on the calendar and they said, are you going to be free? You know, I don't even know what day it is. Oh, yeah, it's, it's October 9th. And that day in October said, yeah, I don't have anything going on. And my schedule was, was wide open a month ago. And then, you know, I was doing my show at our, our Real American Voice studio here just down the street. And, you know, I got the news about. At first it was just a, you know, a rumor that there was a shooting about Charlie. And, you know, then everybody knows the rest of the story. And I've only actually, you know, I've been in Phoenix for probably about the past three and a half weeks with, with Turning Point, working with Turning Point, working with Erica, you know, just, and just, just being there, being supportive. And political violence has gotten to the point where we've talked about it for many years. I wrote a book about it. I've experienced it, I've, I've covered it. But it's gotten to a point now where it is threatening every single person in this room, the guests included, and even all of you out there. Because if you are a conservative in America today, that means to live your entire life 24, 7, top to bottom. When you wake up, when you're going to your car, when you're going to work, when you're coming home, when you're going out, when you're taking your kids to school, you could be killed. And it's blunt, but it's the truth. And I went to the White House yesterday and I was honored to be a part of this panel that we held on left wing domestic violence that's going on in America. And I said the exact same thing and even said to the president that Mr. President, the next person who could be assassinated could be sitting at this table right now. And, and probably is. And so it's gotten to the point in this country, certainly in the wake of Charlie's murder, and only gotten worse. And I think there's a certain profile that's starting to emerge. When you look at Gen Z, when you look at the Zoomers, I tend to notice there's sort of A, it's like there's no middle. So that's great when you're on the right because everyone's like cool and based and awesome. But that means on the left you turn towards the most extreme possible solutions, which include political assassination. So we've seen who Luigi Maggione, right, Thomas Matthew Crooks attempted to kill President Trump. This guy Tyler Robinson at Utah Valley University who I think it's starting to emerge that there's some that, you know, he came from a conservative family but was rebelling against that ran in the other direction. Mormon family. And the ICE shooter down in Dallas as well also fits the same profile. The anti Catholic shooter in Minneapolis fits the profile also many of these cases. The, you know, there's a tie to transgenderism and that ideology which has directly direct ties with violence and a extremely high rate of violence. So that, and it, and it's, it's just gotten to the point and you know, to kind of finish that that thought is it's gotten to the point now where if we do not do something about it, we cannot continue as, as a movement, as a party and possibly even as a country.

Chris Bedford (6:31)

Something that's been strange now we learn more about Robinson since and you see the mug shot of the guy we're just beginning to learn about who's behind the fires in California. Oh, another example and something that strikes me as a new thing and something you talked about at the White House yesterday when all the doctors and nurses and lawyers and other people who were publicly celebrating the death of a young man who left behind two children and a wife is the rise of the normal looking psychopath, the normal looking radical, the normal looking revolutionary leftist. I mean you used to be able to pick these people out. You know, you'd look at the rallies in front of the Supreme Court. You'd see the people in Antifa. They looked like they were shaken out of the bottom of the can. They were just the last left. I mean they are, they're ugly people and they don't do themselves any favors.

Jack Posobiec (7:25)

Well and there's a reason they gravitate towards that kind of politics.

Chris Bedford (7:27)

Yeah, they're, they're forgotten in some way there's something. And also I think evil shows itself, actually manifests itself eventually. It's a brokenness and physically the. But nowadays you see a lot of normal looking people.

Jack Posobiec (7:40)

Well, and this is, it's like sleeper.

Chris Bedford (7:43)

Cells throughout the country. Right.

Jack Posobiec (7:44)

And so, you know, they'll like. Aaron Burnett went up on CNN last night and said, you know, well, you can't go after Antifa because Antifa is decentralized and you know, it's not even a real thing. They don't have a head, they don't have a, you know, organization. And certainly there's, there's a number of front. Cobra Command, no front groups and all the same, but of turned around and said like, oh, so you mean like, like terrorist cells then? Like exactly how terrorist cells have been organized throughout the world. Exactly how ISIS operated in the west, by the way, where yes, ISIS had command in the Middle East. But of course they would operate cells largely through Internet radicalization, Internet outreach. And this is the same thing that we're seeing now. That being said, you know, obviously, and I'm not, I'm speaking not from the perspective of a turning point when I say this or, you know, having any inside knowledge about the investigation, I should say, but, you know, when you look at the group of people that Tyler Robinson seemed to be interacting with there in, in Utah, groups like this Armed queers of Salt Lake City that seem to have some kind of knowledge that, that something would happen to Charlie Kirk that day, it really does ask, you know, make you want to ask the question, was there more out there that was involved in this? And again, I'm not speaking from any inside knowledge on that. It's my own opinion. It's obviously something that Cash Patel has said that he's looking into and it clearly seems to be that there was more to that story than meets the eye. And with the idea that people knew.

Chris Bedford (9:17)

About the attempted assassination of the president as well. Well, certainly to say the world will never know, certainly.

Jack Posobiec (9:21)

And the idea that all of this happens, happen by, you know, it's a lone wolf and it's just one guy and it's, you know, case closed. And you know, I, I don't buy that and I haven't, I haven't met people who buy that. You know, people really tend to think. And that's just not how these operate. So, you know, you, you take it back to where they'll claim that, that left wing violence doesn't exist or they'll turn around and say, oh, well, it's, you know, you have to put it in context and they'll, they just shove junk studies in front of you to say that studies where I've seen that where they classify radical Islamic terrorism as right wing because they'll claim that's authoritarian and so therefore that's on the right. And they'll use that. They'll use, yeah, go look at some of these studies that like Reuters and the Economist and others will post and they'll, you'll see, well, wait a minute. This is clearly not right wing violence. This is, this is radical Islamic terrorism. And you know, I would say that's obviously different from left wing violence as well. It is its own specific. And, you know, we used to, in this country deal with these things like the 70s, 80s, we had a serial killer problem in America. And how do we deal with that? We dealt with it with the FBI getting together, setting up profilers. There's endless TV shows and movies about this. Silence of the Lambs obviously, is about this, which I would also point out includes a transgender killer, Buffalo Bob. You know, Thomas Harris understood this, by the way. So did Alfred Hitchcock when he made Psycho again. Another cross dresser who is a murderer. There's clearly something at odds with that denial of reality. And that when reality approaches itself and when you're confronted with the fact that if you, you've denied reality so much on such a deep level that you have a break with reality, that does respond with murderous rage. And, you know, this is clearly something that was understood for a long time in the horror genre. And that's why there's so many incredible movies that, that include that. And yet first I sit there and I think, gosh, was I the only person who actually followed the plot of these things? Because it's very clear to me what they were trying to say. And it's, you know, look, it's. I, I'm at a loss for words when I, when I talk about it, you know, sometimes because of all the emotions that I felt since, you know, since Charlie was killed and, you know, it's, you know, and I'm, you know, he was a good friend of mine and, you know, it's nothing compared to what the family's going through. Surprise was not one of them. You know, it's, it's. There's, you know, the shock, obviously, the stunningness, the grief, the anger, of course, is absolutely there. But to say I was surprised. No, because I knew it was only a matter of time before one of us had a shot taken. And I never thought it would be Charlie. You know, I don't think any of us thought that Charlie Kirk would be the one who was killed. But it's something that we've all talked about for a long, long time.

Chris Bedford (12:20)

You'd think it'd be someone who was a little easier to hate, like me.

Jack Posobiec (12:23)

Or, and, you know. Yeah, or me. Right. And my wife hates when I say that. And, you know, though I will say, though, I think the reason that Charlie was targeted first was because his own existence was so loathsome to these people.

Chris Bedford (12:41)

He exposed them.

Jack Posobiec (12:42)

You know, he exposed them, but even more than that, the way he lived his life. Here's a white Christian male, which is the approved target of everything the left stands for. And he's the, you know, he was the high school quarterback of the team. He's married to a beauty queen. He's got two beautiful children. He goes around spreading the gospel. He goes around having these debates and, you know, sure, you could disagree with him and, you know, gosh, I used to debate him all the time and, you know, on various issues. I'm a Catholic, he's a Protestant, so we would always go to toe to toe on. On theological issues. And it was great. And it's one of the things I'm going to miss the most. But he did it the right way. You know, he never did it with a fist, in anger. And I think that his success and the fact that he was so successful not only in front of the camera, but also behind the scenes, and I'm sure there's many people in this room who know and maybe many others who don't. The role that Charlie played in the transition process, which of course, the administration's talked about publicly, the role that so many staff. I mean, if you at the admin right now, you will see a. I would be surprised to find a staffer that doesn't have some tie to TP USA or at least having attended one of the events on their resume. And that's the legacy of Charlie Kirk. So many people in so many key positions. Not to mention, by the way, his advocacy for JD Vance to become the Vice president. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, sometimes you can actually just choose the best person for the job.

Chris Bedford (14:12)

I was shocked and so happy, you.

Jack Posobiec (14:14)

Know, and, you know, because we all remember the refrain, you know, it's got to be a woman, so got to be a person of color. You've got to triangulate and do all this. And, you know, and you mentioned Butler. I'll tell a quick story about that. You know, Charlie actually asked me to go to the Butler rally. And, you know, obviously we didn't know what happened at the Butler rally, and we certainly didn't know what would happen to Charlie. But it was. It was the night before the Butler rally. And he said, jack, you gotta. You gotta get to Butler, Pennsylvania. You gotta get up there. And I was like, like, charlie, I'm going to Milwaukee on Sunday because, remember, it was the same weekend as the convention. And so I was flying up to Milwaukee, my whole family's flying up to Milwaukee. And I just told myself, logistically, I don't even know how I can do that. It's not gonna work with the flights and all the rest. And what do you want me to go to Butler so much for? And he goes, cause I wanna get you like 60 seconds with Trump to just talk about how great J.D. vance is. And that's Charlie Kirk on a Friday night, right? That he's working, he's plotting, he's scheming, he's trying to figure out how can I make this happen any possible way that I can. He's like, and I got Jack, and I know he's from Pennsylvania and I know we got Trump. And, you know, and it'll work. And obviously, you know, it worked out anyway. But that was Charlie. It was.

Chris Bedford (15:35)

The liberals will say, you're a Maryland man now.

Jack Posobiec (15:37)

Oh, yeah, yeah. They like to. They have no idea what they're talking about. And they will sit there and talk about Charlie in the front of the camera, but behind the scenes, he was constantly doing stuff like that. And there's so many stories that normally I wouldn't want to share, but just because you don't talk about what goes on behind the scenes. But more people have now, he was instrumental in putting rfk, Bobby Kennedy and Maha together with maga, which clearly is what translated into the winning the suburbs. It's what translated into taking this movement of health care, which the whole media has forgotten about this, that health care was a left wing issue. It nominally, in American politics, you say, yeah, health care is the domain of the left. It is controlled by the Democrats. And yet through Bobby Kennedy and through Maha, which Charlie was like 100% a huge believer in personally too, by the way, biohacking cold plunges, didn't drink caffeine.

Moderator/Host (16:39)

That's.

Jack Posobiec (16:39)

That was the deal with the, the mint Majesty teas. That's something that just changed the course of history. And Charlie never even talked about it publicly.

Chris Bedford (16:50)

We saw Charlie change too. And because they become the man that he was when he started, he was kind of a libertarian.

Jack Posobiec (16:57)

He was young.

Chris Bedford (16:57)

A lot of people start in libertarianism. He rejected some of the social issues.

Jack Posobiec (17:01)

Hey, we all make mistakes when we're kids.

Chris Bedford (17:03)

Yeah, you know, it got some excitement, it got some things going. But we saw him change on economics. He was someone who was open to change. Like, he became good friends with Tucker, and that was after Tucker went hard at him on stage. At his own.

Jack Posobiec (17:18)

I was at that event. Yeah, I remember that.

Chris Bedford (17:19)

And then we saw him.

Jack Posobiec (17:20)

I think that was the truckers where they got into it.

Chris Bedford (17:23)

Yeah.

Jack Posobiec (17:23)

Self driving, automated truck. Ban it immediately.

Chris Bedford (17:27)

And then we saw him become a Christian. How much were you friends with him as he made that shift from young libertarian to Christian? When did you meet him in his life? And what can you. What light can you shed on it for our audience about that transformation from someone who had ideas about taxes, regulation, defense.

Jack Posobiec (17:46)

Big Gov sucks. Right. That was the original Turning Point slogan.

Chris Bedford (17:48)

But became someone who is so much more.

Jack Posobiec (17:51)

Yeah, no, you know, so I got. I got to know Charlie. I would say, like, 2017 was in the first time we met, and we just really met on the. On the trail, you know, going and going to do grassroots events together and doing CPACs or, you know, flipped to Chicago once right after I got married, actually. And we were there with Charlie and, you know, we did this event in the Chicago area. Remember, it was like, right. Right before Thanksgiving. We were there and it was like freezing cold. And there was Charlie up giving a speech, and I came up after him giving my speech. And, you know, we did that and parted ways. Then I'd see him again, actually.

Chris Bedford (18:26)

He opened up for you?

Jack Posobiec (18:27)

Oh, of course. Actually, I was in St. Louis once at a Phyllis Schlafly Eagles Forum, which of course was run by Ed Martin, the great Ed Martin, who's now. Who's now here in D.C. and although I'm told that Ed Martin is working late tonight because there's a. There's an indictment of a certain New York Attorney general that he's working on. You guys may have heard of. Have heard of that. He was, you know, I was trying to get him to come tonight, and he, you know, he was. He was thinking about it and he said, ah, Jack, I gotta work late. We're doing something tonight. Okay, Ed. But I remember Ed comes to me at that event and he said, jack, you've got a. Because I had a rental car. And he goes, you had a rental car here, right, Jack? I said, yeah. He goes, can you go pick up somebody at the airport for me? I said, who's that? He goes, it's this guy, Charlie Kirk. You know. Oh, yeah, Charlie. I'll go pick up Charlie. So just stuff like that, you know, getting to know each other from being at events together. And then, of course, in the first admin. Ubiquitous. He and I, I would say, were both mainstays over at the Trump Hotel lobby, which was. I mean, if you guys Think Butterworth's is the place like the. The. And it's great. Don't get me wrong, I love your. He. Please don't kill me. But I was just there yesterday and. But the Trump hotel lobby was just a scene unto itself. Cabinet members, grassroots supporters, donors, journalists, and the president himself would come in, you know, once or twice a month, and it was just. It was a moment in time that you can't, you know, you can't ever recapture. Lightning in a bottle. And so you asked me about when Charlie made his change, and he's always been Christian, but he never, you know, he wasn't like a public Christian before. And I would honestly credit it to Erica. I would credit it to him getting to know Erica and, you know, dating her, which, you know, started very early on. And, you know, let's. Let's just say it. You know, Erica, she was more based than Charlie early on. You know, she was just, you know, Charlie was someone who, you know, he sort of. He had that. He had that journey that he was on from sort of the Midwestern libertarian, you know, staple, a staple, a green card to the back of the diploma. We all remember those comments. And Erica would be the one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not doing this. And she is an incredibly devout Christian and would tell him, charlie, you need to talk about your faith more publicly. And he would say, why? You know, you know, the Christian right in the 90s, they went. You know, they went down in flames. They're kind of like a punchline. You know, people. People don't like it when we get too churchy. And for people who know him now, you know, or, you know, to where he ended up, that he could, you know, quote the scripture at, you know, give him a. Give him a chapter and verse, and he could just tell you everything right off the top of his head. An eidetic memory. And he would spend so much time studying and reading over and over and over to really get it down. And I would credit it to Erica, who encouraged him to be more public about it. I would also credit it to the fact that he got married. Like so many people, he gets married, he starts having children, and then realizes that there is more to life than tax cuts, as it turns out. And, you know, really, it. We don't. We still do the tax cuts, don't worry. But. But realizing that we have to leave a legacy in this world. And look, you know, Charlie left his legacy a lot earlier than any of us thought that he would, but he certainly left A legacy that I think no one's ever going to forget.

Chris Bedford (22:03)

You know, I'm gonna ask you one more question, then turn it over to the audience, because I know we're running a little behind. I'm sorry about that. The. Erica gave an incredible.

Jack Posobiec (22:11)

Chris was. Chris was. He was trying to get an image of the Letitia James perp walk. He was, like, staked out in front of her in front of her townhouse, but, you know, it didn't work. She pulled a comey and, like, went out the back.

Chris Bedford (22:24)

Erica gave a beautiful eulogy for her husband at the funeral. And in it, one of the very moving things that she said was that she forgives his killer. That's a really wonderful, wonderful Christian thing to do. She said she didn't want to have that on her conscience when she answered to God. She wanted to see her husband again. But since the dawn of time, part of the duty of defending civilization has rested on the men and the people who are willing to take it to the enemy and defend their civilization from murderers and barbarians and psychopaths. And that's a burden that we have to bear. It doesn't seem like the left is actually stepping back voluntarily from this violence. They're not. They're still cheering it on. Even in the media, they're still talking about it. So Antifa's not just going to put down its arms and say, oh, my gosh, we've gone too far. How does the government. You've worked in military intelligence, you've been in Antifa, you've been targeted, you've written about this. What are some of the concrete steps that can be done as opposed to just throwing up their hands to actually dismantle this. So it becomes like serial killing became a rare thing now, and something that's been pushed out of society by proper law enforcement or like the assassinations and the bombings of the 60s and 70s were. What are some of the steps that can be done to make sure that our children don't have to grow up in a world that is. That is spiraling towards the collapse?

Jack Posobiec (23:47)

Right. And by the way, I would just add, unfortunately, you know, for my children, who. Who knew, Charlie, they are already growing up in that world.

Moderator/Host (23:55)

Yeah.

Jack Posobiec (23:56)

And so. And I just point that out for people. My children had someone who they considered like an uncle to them. You know, they lived through seeing President Trump be shot last year. They. They know.

Chris Bedford (24:13)

Mr.

Jack Posobiec (24:13)

They call him Mr. Steve. Mr. Steve Bannon. And they saw him go to jail last year by Joe Biden. And then Trump was shot About a week later. And now they know someone who they know. They personally know someone who was assassinated over politics and is now a martyr. And that's my kids, that's my boys. I have no idea how to explain any of this. I didn't let them watch the video, obviously. But this is the world they're growing up in right now. And all of our kids, you know, for those of us who are parents, you as well. And it will not stop until it stopped yesterday. For example, Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi, not some, you know, radical on the street in Portland. Nancy Pelosi, as close as they come to, you know, a leader of the Democrat Party, leader emeritus, maybe. She was asked about the comments of Jay Jones, who. And a lot of the write up of those text messages is. It pales in comparison to what he actually said. Not only did he say that a Republican candidate's Republican opponents children should be shot, he said that they should be shot and be forced to die in their mother's arms and that she should watch this before she and her husband were also killed. And he was texting this to a colleague who was a GOP delegate. He then called her and started berating her about this. Nancy Pelosi gets asked about this on CNN yesterday and she says, well, I still understand he's the best candidate for Attorney general. Nancy Pelosi, the closest you can come to head of the party. So excuse me if I'm not gonna sit there when they ask me, oh, Jack. Are you going to tone down the rhetoric? Oh, Jack, what about both sides? Is this both sides? Because the bullets are only coming in one direction. The rhetoric, the violence, all of this, it's only coming in one direction. I said to a reporter the other day, I said, I said, where is this violent right? Charlie Kirk was shot and killed and we responded with prayers. We responded with vigils and candles and rosaries and memorial. If there was ever a time where if this so called, quote, unquote, violent right was going to show itself, it would have been in the wake of that. And I said, show me one example, show me one example of someone on the right being violent in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder. There isn't one. So I'd give you money. Couldn't do it. What can we do? Look, President Trump has come a long way on this. Of course, we were there yesterday. One of the concrete examples that I gave him on this is the foreign terrorist designation for antifa, the domestic terrorist designation. From a policy perspective, it does some Good. From the federal government level, however, it's not. There's no federal law against domestic terrorism, believe it or not. There are some state laws, but there's no actual federal designation as this. So it doesn't unlock the powers of the national security state, the national security apparatus, the infrastructure, the that that I used to use when I was a member of the intelligence community. However, when you look at antifa's structure, when you look at their links to Europe, which is where ANTIFA comes from, ANTIFA was originally formed in Germany, then spread to Spain, of course, Italy, France, the uk they maintain very strong cells all across Europe. And by the way, for them, for the people who say that, oh, they don't have addresses and they have safe houses, you know, I'm more than happy to provide you to them. And in fact, we have yesterday and today, you know, that roundtable that you saw is sort of becoming a sort of a quasi working group, I suppose you could say, and foreign terrorists as well as, by the way, training and links to Middle Eastern groups. And no, I don't just mean Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and things like that, but other groups as well in Syria allows the entire national security infrastructure to be turned against these groups. It allows Secretary Besant to use the powers of the Treasury Department to go after their money, to go after the financiers, and it allows the Department of Justice to roll up any, by the way, not just anyone who is funding it, but even involved, allows them to freeze assets of anyone who is, who is involved with funding them. This is huge. So that's number one. Number two, obviously on a direct level, the joint terrorism task forces that exist throughout the country, they've been activated. Look, when it comes to a place like Portland or Chicago that are clearly in open defiance of the federal government, I've argued this on the podcast and I certainly mentioned it to the White House yesterday. Call in the National Guard, they'll call it invoking the Insurrection Act. And certainly that is what needs to be done when the governor refuses to. But when you have these groups that are clearly operating to obstruct and to kill members of the federal government who are enforcing immigration and customs laws, which is the remit of the federal government. This is the acronym ice. This is what it literally stands for. There is no state right here that's being abridged. It is very clear. This is, this is the purview of the federal government. It's a. It's an obvious supremacy clause issue. And so a limited invocation of the insurrection act to bring the National Guard in would absolutely be warranted in these instances. And for any of the groups that are involved in organizing this, then you could absolutely. You could use the Joint Terrorism Task Force to go after them. Third, and this is actually, it's a good D.C. you know, sort of trivia thing. So people know the RICO act, right, the racketeering Act. So the RICO act. And people say, why don't use RICO against antifa. And interestingly enough, there's something I didn't even know until recently, that because RICO was famously enacted against the Mafia, RICO requires a list of certain predicate crimes in order to be invoked. Well, as it turns out, because those predicated predicate crimes were designed for Mafia Mafioso mob organizations. Giuliani, of course, uses Smash the Five Families in New York. Rioting is not one of those predicate crimes currently. So this is an area where a legislative fix. And I believe Senator Cruz actually has a bill in, in the Senate about this, and there's some other folks in the House that have talked about it as well. This could be a very quick update that's done to the RICO act just to add rioting as one of the predicate crimes, to be able to start an entire racketeering investigation into the organization and everything they touch and. Sure. And by the way, if the media tells us that they don't exist and they shouldn't have any problem with this, would they?

Chris Bedford (31:04)

Yeah, exactly. They just like legals voting and getting health care.

Jack Posobiec (31:08)

No, it doesn't exist. Right. When they just show up on the school board in Iowa making $300,000 a year.

Chris Bedford (31:13)

What a job, by the way. What a job.

Jack Posobiec (31:15)

Nice work if you can get it. I suppose so.

Chris Bedford (31:17)

I think we should go to the audience and give you guys a chance to talk to Jack over here. Are there any questions we can go to or should I keep on going? We got a microphone coming through. Hey, Jack.

Jack Posobiec (31:29)

So you mentioned a lot of instances of transgender violence. Charlie is the big case, of course. What about transgenderism do you think engenders such violence? Well, I do think that. That it's kind of what I was talking about earlier. Right. I think the fundamental issue with transgenderism is that denial of reality and that break with reality. And there's, you know, there's. There's kind of that 4chan meme about it, which is a terrible site. I don't know anything about it. I definitely wouldn't recommend anyone go there where it says, you will never be a real woman. And that. That really strikes itself to the heart of the matter, that because these individuals and some of them obviously have mental issues. And there's no question, but because as a society we've now decided to enable these mental, mental disorders and give them parades rather than try to get them the help that they need and in some cases the institutionalization that they need. They're then given hormone injections, of course, Big Pharma loves that. And they are put on this path where it lowers their inhibitions, it increases, obviously increases cortisol levels. So it creates all sorts of chemical imbalances in the brain as well as enabling this insane ideation to the point where ultimately they realize, you know, they realize that deep down they can never actually achieve the thing that they want. And so what does this breed? It breeds resentment and self loathing turned out the self loathing, the resentment, the anger. So anger itself, anger at the world, anger at God for creating the world. And then eventually this turns them into angry at anyone who has that which, which they crave, which is, which is happiness and, and being a, you know, self actualized individual. And so they, they will sit there and claim that it's about equality or that it's about justice, it's about equity, it's about, you know, take your pick of an issue. Inclusion, diversity, housing rights. What? Health care in the case of Luigi Maggione. No, no, it's not that. It's always resentment. And then the weaponization of envy as a political system and transgenderism, unfortunately, because of all these chemical imbalances, because of this, this direct denial of reality itself. It's why, by the way, at the same token that violence is not always directed outwards. In fact, much more frequently it's directed inward. Where I believe one of the, you know, there's a study that says 41% of transgender individuals will attempt suicide at some point.

Chris Bedford (34:14)

Yeah. At its core, at its beginning, is the denial of creation.

Jack Posobiec (34:17)

Yes.

Chris Bedford (34:18)

Denial of who they are. And it's hard to get around that kind of mental illness and that's kind of self loathing and that rejection of God.

Jack Posobiec (34:24)

Absolutely. And you know, it just goes to say, like we used to have horror movies about this and this. It used to be very well understood that someone who's on that path is clearly experiencing some kind of break with reality. Someone with multiple personality disorder or some form of schizophrenia. There's the movie Psycho is directly about this. The movie Silence of Lambs about this. There's some of the biggest movies that Hollywood has ever done, and I don't remember any, but if you put one movie out like that today, they would say, oh, you can't do that because that's anti trans.

Chris Bedford (35:00)

Exactly. You're not allowed to talk about that anymore. Another question. There we go.

Matthew Kept (35:10)

Good evening, Jack. Matthew Kept, chairman of the D.C. young Republicans. Good to see you here tonight. We're, I want to say about a month after Charlie's assassination, be a month tomorrow. I think when you have an opportunity like this to go after the left as a national and maybe even international EcoSystem, the first 30 to 60 days are very important. The administration has obviously announced some great stuff. They may have done some great stuff. Where do you rate them? As we come up on the 30 day mark on what are the great things that have been done and what is undone that you would now turn your influence to push for and that people in this room can their own way push for. Thank you.

Jack Posobiec (35:53)

Yeah, no great question. And you know, look, it's horrible that it would take something as nightmarish as this to, you know, to really get the ball rolling and you know, you could say about anything good that happens. You know, I wish, I wish that had happened earlier. Right. But in this case, boy, I really do, you know, wish these declarations had gone out earlier. I'm not saying that it would have stopped it from happening. You know, I don't like to play that game of, you know, what if it's not good mentally either. By the way, don't do that. CS Lewis talks about that and the, the designation is, is fantastic. The roll up of many of the cities, the National Guard deployments have been incredible. The activation of the Joint Terrorism Task Forces because in many of these areas, particularly on the, the east coast and the west coast where you have very well developed antifa networks, there's always somebody sort of, you know, in the back of one of those JTTFs, the, you know, and do you guys know which ATFs do I or am I or. Okay, I can explain. It's. That's where local police and federal law enforcement will work together in a fusion cell. These were really created after, you know, sort of prior to 911 but, but after 911 they really exploded because the idea was we can share information in these areas and get away from the stove piping of intelligence if there is an actual. And information. If there is an actual credible terrorist threat to the country. They work in concert with the NCTC which has an incredible director by the name of Joe Kent who works of course with our incredible dni Tulsi Gabbard. Now there's always A guy somewhere in the back of one of the gang intelligence units at the jttf. It might be a local cop, it might be someone who just, you know, has a, has an axe to grind with it or for whatever reason, just wants to do the right thing. Who has a database of these individuals in, in their area that are operating in their aor. We know in the Pacific Northwest they go between Pittsburgh or, excuse me, Portland and Seattle. We know that in, on the east coast they travel between New York, Philadelphia and D.C. boston is, is particularly its own cell, but Boston and New York have some, so some comorbidities, if you will. And so I would just ratchet it up. I would say take all of that, ratchet it up and the foreign terrorist designation, which, you know, and look, the President, United States put it down. He said that he wants it to happen. So, you know, for the rest of the White House staff, let's get it done, let's get that signed and then actually start taking the fight not just to the individuals in the street, but, but the individuals who are funding it. The money chains that go back to these corrupt NGOs.

Chris Bedford (38:35)

Think of it.

Jack Posobiec (38:37)

You don't have to do show of hands, but for those of us who are here on President Trump's first inauguration, on January 20, 2017, there was a massive antifa violent attack on that inauguration. Remember, you know, we were told that, you know, January 6th was not the peaceful transfer of power, but nobody talks about Disrupt J20, which was the antifa attack on Trump's first inauguration.

Chris Bedford (39:03)

I was attacked. It was a wild night.

Jack Posobiec (39:05)

What happened to you?

Chris Bedford (39:06)

I would just chase, chased by a mob. And fortunately, I was not the one wearing heels.

Jack Posobiec (39:11)

Oh, my gosh.

Chris Bedford (39:12)

My date had to kick off her heels. I mean, it was easy to target people.

Jack Posobiec (39:15)

Was this the night before or the.

Chris Bedford (39:16)

Night of inaugural night?

Jack Posobiec (39:17)

Inaugural night.

Chris Bedford (39:18)

Yeah. I got dragged out to the parties, which are always overcrowded and of a mess, but if you're wearing a tuxedo.

Jack Posobiec (39:23)

Yep.

Chris Bedford (39:23)

I mean, they know.

Jack Posobiec (39:24)

Yep.

Chris Bedford (39:25)

They know which side you're on.

Jack Posobiec (39:26)

So. So in the mass arrest that and I had infiltrated the antifa cell prior to then. I was not quite as well known back then or recognizable back then. So I, I was sitting in church right here in Northwest D.C. and they were going, going through all their plans and if, if you wanted to do direct action, it was over here. It was very well organized. People were bused in from all over the country back then.

Chris Bedford (39:47)

You were able to just kind of sneak in.

Jack Posobiec (39:49)

I literally just walked in I don't.

Chris Bedford (39:50)

Think that would work anymore.

Jack Posobiec (39:51)

No, no, not so much. And, but that's, I mean, gosh, it's almost a decade ago and all of those people who were mass arrested for attacking President Trump's first inauguration violently smashing limos, setting them on fire, setting other cars on fire, smashing Starbucks, smashing a McDonald's, they blocked 395. And I was on 395 with my, my now wife and my brother. He's always been my brother and he's also, he's, he also continues to be my brother. And, and so they block it. We're like two cars back from the roadblock and I just of course jump out and start filming because it's me and get in their faces and all. I want, but I want to explain this. This was the final, the final statement on that. Not only were all of their convictions overturned or the charges overturned, the ACLU then came in and sued the government of dc, the city of dc, on behalf of Antifa, and they were awarded, I believe it was $1.7 million for unlawful arrest by the city of DC. So if you're a DC taxpayer, or you were at the time, then your tax money went into the pocket of Antifa, paying them for their attack on President Trump's first inauguration. That is how bad this situation is. And when you ask me what else can we do, we have so much work to do to tear this out root and stem from the entire system.

Chris Bedford (41:32)

I think we probably have time for one more question, if you have time.

Jack Posobiec (41:35)

I have time.

Chris Bedford (41:36)

Got some stuff to get to.

Jack Posobiec (41:39)

Oh, yeah, no, I have plenty of time. I'm good, thanks.

Audience Member (41:41)

Hi, Jack. First, we all lost Charlie. I didn't know him personally, but I know for you, you lost your friend and I'm so sorry for your loss. And thank you for, you know, talking about him as a person and how you really knew him. You know, when he died, when he was murdered, there was that initial shock of like, what this horrible, horrible thing that we saw happen to Charlie. But very, very soon after that, there was the horror of the way the whole country, half the country was talking about him. The horrible things that were like, out of nowhere, you know, like this, this far right, this hate filled thing, this, this was not a Charlie that I had ever seen or ever heard. Conversely, I also heard him described as like some podcaster. So somehow there's a message that he's horrible and everyone knows it. And also, oh, he's a no one. No one listens to, feels intentional. And do you have any feeling for, like, you know, who, who's creating this message? Like, who's in charge of this far left attack on our values? Who's in charge of shaping this narrative or trying to shape a narrative, whether it's about Charlie or about you or about any of us. Like, is it. Do you think it's coming from D.C. do you think it's coming from donors or some think tank? It's a really strange thing to me to get my brain around.

Jack Posobiec (43:03)

Yeah, no, I mean, it's an ecosystem. But keep in mind, you're also dealing with. It's certainly an ecosystem of the far left. You've got Steve Jobs, widow Lorraine Powell Jobs, who's bankrolling the Atlantic right now and has hired a ton of people from some of the worst places in the entire country. Country. You're talking about like, like SPLC level. Just, just hate merchants now being hired over at the Atlantic and places like this. And, and so you can point to those specific outlets and talk about them. But what you're also really dealing with, keep in mind, is cognitive dissonance. And the cognitive dissonance there is that, well, Charlie Kirk must be a fascist because he supports Donald Trump. And I know Donald Trump is a fascist because that's what the TV tells me every night. That's what the Washington Post tells me. That's what CNN tells me. That's what MSNBC tells me. Donald Trump and Donald Trump supporters must be fascists. And if they. And because they are fascists, then yes, it's, you know, they sort of know instinctively that they have to say, we don't think that he should have been killed. And then you. And then, you know, what comes next. There's always that. But. And even Barack Obama did that. When Barack Obama was asked about this, he said, we don't condone political violence, but. And he then went into this litany of smears of Charlie Kirk and just in some cases, outright lies, claiming that Charlie had said, quote, unquote, black women have substandard brains or something like this, and which is not true at all. He did say Michelle Obama, Tanji Brown, Jackson, but those are. But again, he did not say all, like, all black women. And so this, they do this over and over and over again. Because for them to have to admit that a good man was killed, that a family man, a Christian man, someone who they disagreed with, but a good man was killed, this would be an entire repudiation of their whole project, because leftist politics is based and rooted in resentment. However, there's also this interesting game they play where they never admit it. They never admit it to themselves, you know, and I'm sure you've seen all the signs or, you know, heard the refrain from some Redditor or some, like, suburban woman, you know, just be a good effing person, right? You know, and they scream it over and over and over. And in their mind, to be good means to be associated with all the things of the left. And to be, quote, unquote, bad is to be associated with all the things of the right. And I could sit here for years and talk about. Or hours, I should say, and talk about how many years this has been in the making. I actually track a lot of it back to Jon Stewart and the Daily show because he was one of the first people that came up in America who started talking about politics because he didn't know anything about politics, but he knew about sports. So he started talking about sport politics as if it was just, you know, sports teams. And so the Democrats or like, the left were like, the good ones and the right were the bad ones. And so we're against those guys. And he also, by the way, is one of. One of the people who shut down one of the last shows that existed in America where both sides would talk to each other. And that was Crossfire with. With an appearance that he made when Tucker Carlson, a very young Tucker Carlson bow tie Tucker Carlson. Yeah, baby, baby. Tucker was the host. And he would, you know, he would yell and say, how dare you. You guys are the problem. But what were they doing that was so problematic? They were sitting down and having a cordial discussion about the issues and certainly disagreeing, but they would. This was the. Really the last show in America where you would see that that doesn't exist anymore anywhere on the higher level. And one of the people who may have been trying to bring that back in some way in a modern form was Charlie by saying, look, if we disagree, then prove me wrong. Come. And if I've said something that you believe is misinformation, then what better way to have that out than having a debate on a college campus, the literal modern public square, and let's have a chat and figure it out. And he would always say, if you disagree, come to the front. And if someone was there, he wouldn't berate them and he wouldn't make fun of them because, you know, I probably would, but.

Chris Bedford (47:35)

But it's hard to have his patience.

Jack Posobiec (47:37)

It's very hard. He was very patient. And he would. He would say, hey, you know, if he would See, someone was nervous, he would say, hey, it's okay. Take your time, think about what you want to say, guys. No heckling. No. He would always let them, let them have their, you know, have their say. And he would try to meet the person who, rather than just argue with them. So to answer your question, you know, where does it come from? It comes from this belief which is completely widespread on the left. And poll after poll after poll shows this, that they to a great extent don't look at us as people. They look at us as some sort of sub creature. They look at us as cavemen. They look at us as people who are not as progressive and elite.

Chris Bedford (48:19)

History.

Jack Posobiec (48:20)

Yeah, we're on the wrong side of history. And we have the same values as those, you know, those poor inbred hicks in middle America, you know. You know, crawling around on their hands and knees and living off of like the bugs or something, which is what they actually think of middle America, which was, you know, great part. I'm from Pennsylvania, so I mean I know that part of the country and they're good people and I've traveled the country, of course, over the last 10 years and met so many of them. And J.D. vance, by the way, is a living repudiation of everything they say about people from that part of the world but. Or that part of America. But you know, it's like on the one text message thread and I joked about the indictment of Letitia James, which I completely support, by the way. And by the way, I'll say this on Letitia James, cause I know it's going viral and I think we're live political lawfare must be responded to with exact reciprocity because if it is not, then there is no incentive for them to ever do it again. What do I mean by this? That if you don't respond to the James Comeys and the Letitia James and the Fanny Willis's and the John Brennans and the Clappers, and you guys all know the list. If you don't respond in kind, what's to stop them from doing it again? What's to stop them from doing it again to a JD Vance or a Marco Rubio or a Pete Hegseth or a Tulsi, Whoever, right, Whoever, Nothing will stop them. And so you have to go toe to toe, not with reprisals, not with reactionism, reactionaryism, but with exact reciprocity to say we are willing to achieve mutually assured destruction. And you know, Chris, you mentioned earlier about how at some point you have to defend civilization and There must be order for liberty to, you know, to flourish. And this, this idea that we have a. We have rule of law. When you mess around with the rule of law, when you mess around with the justice system, when you create multiple tiers of justice, this is the exact, the exact function that destabilizes a society that can lead you careening towards civil war. Because if your justice system doesn't work, if your government system doesn't work, if laws are only followed by certain people or only applied to certain people and not others, then eventually people start to think that a government doesn't have legitimacy. And if they think that the government doesn't have legitimacy, there is a tendency to take matters into their own hands.

Chris Bedford (51:04)

I've been thinking about Lincoln's speech at the Lyceum, which we studied together as fellows.

Jack Posobiec (51:08)

That's right.

Chris Bedford (51:09)

And how it applies today.

Jack Posobiec (51:10)

Bleeding Kansas, you know, Bleeding Kansas is. It's been on my mind a lot lately. I'll just say it's been on my mind a lot. And I don't want. This country has gone to that place before and I hope to God that we don't go anywhere close to that ever again. But you can see a lot of.

Chris Bedford (51:29)

Parallels to leave folks with something to look forward to and to tune into. You're actively involved in the work to continue Charlie's legacy and to continue his work. The Charlie Kirk Show. You're frequently there. You, the great Andrew Colvett, the wonderful Blake Neff. What, what can people look to for the future of that show and the Voice and what's going to be coming out of Turning Point in these coming weeks, months and years and the leadership that it's going to provide and what you. Where you guys intend to, where you. Where you see yourselves in a tragically post Charlie world.

Jack Posobiec (52:03)

Yeah.

Chris Bedford (52:04)

Moving forward.

Jack Posobiec (52:04)

Yeah. No. Well, as a matter of fact, you know, since it is a Thursday night, it is Thought Crime Thursday. And I'm actually going to be hosting Thought Crime on the Charlie Kirk show in just, just about an hour here. And graciously CPI has allowed me to do that from their, their studio, great studio across the street here. And you know, the mission continues. The Thought Crimes will continue and we will continue to break taboos. We will continue to fight that fight. In terms of the show. As far as the organization, it's been so incredible and horrifying at the same time to have Erica, who's someone who. I've always been friends with Erica, I've always considered her a friend. She and my wife are very close.

Chris Bedford (52:58)

And.

Jack Posobiec (53:01)

Her guidance through this, her steadfastness, her sorrow, which she's shown and certainly being there in the office. And she comes into the office, she comes into the office and works. And obviously there's lots of decisions that need to be made and decision points. But the big decision, the question, do you continue? Not a single one of us had a doubt about that, because we know what Charlie would have wanted in terms of that. Keep going. Keep the mission alive. Keep fighting. And so that's why, you know, that's why I'm here tonight. That's why I'm glad you guys all came out tonight. Even. Even knowing that these are the odds we're up against. That's why tomorrow night I'll be going with a number of other people from Turning Point. Benny Johnson and some of our frequent collaborators like Cliff Maloney and Scott Presser are going to get involved in the New Jersey governor's race. We're going to be up there in. In Wildwood, New Jersey.

Chris Bedford (53:59)

It's about time someone paid attention in New Jersey because people always forget and it's always much closer.

Jack Posobiec (54:03)

It's. I feel like Scott. I got to give credit to Scott Pressler on this because it's such a good line. He said Pennsylvania is the new Ohio and New Jersey is the new Pennsylvania. And if you look at the voting patterns of this, every single county in New Jersey in the 2024 election shifted, right? And Jack Cittarelli, who's a fantastic candidate, up against Mickey Shirley, who's just a horrible candidate, just, just an absolute disgraceful candidate, you know, lied about her Naval Academy situation and won't release her records and all the insider training from Congress. He's got a real chance. He's got. He's within striking distance. So we're going to get involved there. And the mission continues on campus where the numbers, they send me new numbers every week and I can't even keep track of them. It's a lot. We've had a lot of new chapters and new signups, hundreds of thousands. I think we're the number. I do remember that I saw this morning, the quote, unquote, official number they gave us. We are now turning point, USA High School, college chapter. We are now at 800,000 student members. 800,000, which is just unbelievable. I don't even, I can't even comprehend that many students having signed up to some form of Turning Point. And that doesn't even include what we do on Turning Point action on the C4 side or turning Point Faith, which is done in the faith community. And so that continues. I mentioned the president yesterday. We had 6,000 people when we went back to Utah because we are not canceling the tour. We are continuing the tour. So we had 6,200 people. We went back to Utah. 4,000. Actually, about 4,500 in Montana. 4,000 people in Montana. I didn't know there were 4,000. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm an east coast guy. I'll get it out of me. No, but we had 4,000 people in Montana. The tour is absolutely continuing, and we are getting. We're getting all of Charlie's friends to get involved, and perhaps even a certain bearded member of the current White House will be part of that tour. We'll see if something like that happens. And actually, earlier today. So the campus organizing continues, the politicking continues, and earlier today, we announced that the culture war will continue. And if you guys hadn't seen this, the media is losing their minds over it before. They were losing their minds about the Letitia James indictment that we announced. We are going to be holding a competing halftime show to Bad Bunny. We are holding a all American halftime show, which I can, and I'm proud to report, will be held 100% in English. So. So. So Bad Bunny, you have four months to learn English, not the other way around. And. And it's. And it's. It's sick. And it's funny because, you know, they have, you know, people say, you know, it's like, well, Charlie always loved this and Charlie always love that. Yeah, well, Charlie always hated the super bowl halftime shows, and. Yeah, exactly. And. Well, no, Creed was never a Super bowl halftime show.

Chris Bedford (57:14)

Oh, is it just a Dallas.

Jack Posobiec (57:15)

Creed was a Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving show. And. And so. I know.

Chris Bedford (57:20)

Information.

Jack Posobiec (57:20)

I know. I know. And so just, you know, we got it. We got to keep it accurate around here. And, you know, I know. I tweeted out a couple of weeks ago. Wouldn't it be. You know, would it be a shame of Turning Point held a halftime show with Creed? No announcements. I can't make any announcements right now. All I can say is there are conversations.

Chris Bedford (57:38)

We've been guessing in the lineup all day, and I can't wait to see it.

Jack Posobiec (57:41)

There are conversations. But, yeah, we have a poll up, so if you can go to. What is the site? American Halftime Show.com, and you can vote on different genres of music. There's country. There's classic rock. Yes. Rap, if you. You're into that. That's there. And then the number one Bullet, though, is anything in English, which is phenomenal because. No, by the way, the super bowl halftime show, the left understands cultural dominance. And in the wake of George Floyd and the BLM moment, the NFL, in a very cowardly move, signed an exclusivity deal. And people don't realize this. They signed an exclusivity deal with who? Roc Nation. What is Roc Nation? This is the record management and production company that is controlled by Jay Z and Beyonce. So Jay Z and Beyonce, the best friends of Barack and Michelle Obama, they have exclusive control over who gets to perform at the super bowl halftime show. And I believe that contract, it goes, I think, till 2026, possibly even 2029. The left ran the table on us culturally while the right was asleep at the wheel. And I could sit here and. And I could complain about it, and I can whine about it. But you know what? Look, we've got turning point. We're going to put on our own show, and we are going to fight them tooth and nail. We're going to fight fire with fire, and we are going to put on the best. I can't say legally, I can't say the other event that's going on, but we are going to be putting on the best American halftime show that's ever been seen.

Chris Bedford (59:05)

I can't wait. Jack, thank you for taking the time. Thank you for joining us tonight, Chris.

Jack Posobiec (59:11)

Always a pleasure, my friend.