CPAC UK AND THE SHARED FIGHT FOR WESTERN CIVILIZATION

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: CPAC UK AND THE SHARED FIGHT FOR WESTERN CIVILIZATION
Podcast: Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec
Date: July 17, 2026
Location: Live from CPAC UK, London

This episode of Human Events Daily is a special on-location report from CPAC UK. Jack Posobiec explores the cross-Atlantic conservative movement, focusing on the state of freedom of speech, media bias, the threat from China, and the shared cultural and political values linking the US and UK. Special guests include prominent UK political figures such as Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and commentary on the tragic deaths of political figures like Charlie Kirk and Anne Widdicombe. The tone is urgent, combative, and grounded in themes of liberty, tradition, and the defense of Western civilization.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Uniting the Conservative Movement Across the Atlantic

• US vs UK Conservative Movement:
  • Jack Posobiec ([00:55]): "The UK doesn't have this system of a conservative movement the way that we've had in the United States for a generation now... they're starting to. They're getting there. They did Brexit, they had Nigel Farage... The rise of independent media is just starting."
  • The importance of CPAC and organizations like Turning Point in bringing grassroots, independent media and organizing strategies to the UK.
• Infrastructure and Organizing:
  • CPAC isn't just an event but about "building the infrastructure" for future action and alliances ([01:40]).
• Notable Moment:
  • Jack Posobiec ([10:00]): "It's ironic that in order to fight globalism it requires an international alliance of anti-globalists."

2. Freedom of Speech under Threat

• Speech Crimes in the UK:
  • Highlighting cases like Lucy Connolly, who "did 36 months in prison for a Facebook post" ([01:55]).
  • "There are now 16,000 people, year on year, who are arrested in the United Kingdom for speech crimes, for posts online." ([02:10])
• US Parallels:
  • Drawing lines between increasing online censorship, de-banking, and persecution for political speech in both countries.
  • Reference to US cases like Doug Mackey's meme prosecution ([02:34]).
• Quote:
  • Jack Posobiec ([07:22]): "'This is literally an attack on our democracy, a direct interference, an attack on American sovereignty, on American election in 2020.'"

3. The China Threat & Globalism

• China’s Influence in Europe and America:
  • “China is all over Europe. Huawei is getting in everywhere. Chinese money is everywhere.” ([05:20])
  • Discussion of the need for "massive tariffs" and expulsion of Chinese students/workers in US, citing Trump's stance ([03:14]).
  • Reference to COVID-19 origins and forced accountability ([03:50]).
• Memorable Quote:
  • Jack Posobiec ([05:35]): "I don’t see Russia, Russia, Russia. I see China, China, China."

4. The Power and Failure of the Media

• Selective Bias:
  • The media’s greatest power is "the power of selective bias in story selection" ([11:38]).
  • Allegations that the media ignores major political violence, covers up inconvenient narratives, and demonizes dissenters ([13:10]).
• Personal Story:
  • Posobiec references the murder of Charlie Kirk and violence against figures like Anne Widdicombe, stating these are consequences of real media failures ([12:50]).
• Societal Impact:
  • Emphasizing the impact of the media’s choices on the lives and freedoms of ordinary people ([13:40]).

5. Political Violence as an Existential Threat

• Assassinations and Attacks:
  • The deaths of Charlie Kirk and Anne Widdicombe are framed as “politically motivated murders” ([12:50], [13:00]).
  • Emphasis on the need to “stamp out” political violence as one would cancer—“root and stem” ([30:32]).
  • Judiciary’s role and infiltration by “progressive ideology” ([33:53]).

6. The Call to Faith and Heritage

• Cultural Roots and God’s Role:
  • Posobiec closes his speech with a call to restore God to the core of Western civilization, referencing Alexander Solzhenitsyn: "We forgot God." ([24:54])
  • Revival of heritage and birthright—"The native people of Britain are the native people of Britain. It’s as simple as that." ([19:35])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Building Conservative Infrastructure:
  • "It's not just about holding an event. It’s about the meetings, the connections, the infrastructure." – Jack Posobiec [01:38]
• On Political Persecution in the UK:
  • "Lucy Connolly is here. She did 36 months in prison for a Facebook post." – Jack Posobiec [01:55]
• On Foreign Influence:
  • "If you present this in court...you can say, well, here’s the receipts of what [China] did...They deserve it." – Jack Posobiec [06:08]
• On the State of the Media:
  • "The [mainstream] media's single greatest power is the power of selective bias in story selection." – Jack Posobiec [11:38]
• On Political Violence:
  • "A political assassin is actually targeting your fundamental bedrock building blocks of the way of life." – Interviewer/Host [32:16]
• On God and Civilization:
  • "Solzhenitsyn said it happened because we forgot God...We must remember God and restore God to the very central core of Western civilization..." – Jack Posobiec [24:54]

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Segment Highlights with Timestamps

[00:55] – The Growing Conservative Movement in the UK

• Jack’s recap of CPAC UK and the parallels with the US movement.

[01:55] – Freedom of Speech Under Threat in the UK and US

• Personal anecdote about Lucy Connolly and statistics on speech crime arrests in the UK.

[03:14] – The China Problem

• Trump’s speech at CPAC UK on Chinese interference; Posobiec’s support for tariffs and visa cancellations.

[11:38] – Media Bias & Consequences of Selective Reporting

• Keynote speech segment: "The media’s single greatest power is the power of selective bias in story selection."

[12:50] – Political Violence and Assassinations

• Jack speaks about Charlie Kirk, Anne Widdicombe, and the real-world impact of escalating political violence linked to media narratives.

[16:27] – Two-Tier Justice and Media’s Role

• Outlining cases of perceived injustices in policing and media coverage, citing Henry Novak.

[24:54] – Faith, God, and the West

• Citing Solzhenitsyn and calling for a return to God as the foundation for Western survival.

[39:06] – Interview with Jacob Rees-Mogg

• Discussion of the necessity for conservative idea exchange, talent development, and lessons from the US for the UK movement.
  • "All politics is ultimately a battle of ideas and the right needs to be putting its ideas forward." – Jacob Rees-Mogg [39:15]

[44:48] – The UK’s Complacency on Civil Liberties

• Rees-Mogg: "America is helping us protect our liberties, which we've been rather careless about…taking them for granted."

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Thematic Takeaways

• Transatlantic Unity: The episode revolves around strengthening ties and learning lessons between US and UK conservatives, both facing challenges from censorship, political violence, and globalist threats.
• Media Accountability: The need for independent reporting, vigilance over media bias, and structured organization within the movement.
• Faith and Heritage: Restoration of God and traditional cultural values are stressed as necessary steps for the West’s renewal.
• Active Resistance: Listeners are urged to organize, build institutions, protect free speech, and actively resist ideological and foreign encroachments on Western values.

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Recommended Next Steps for Listeners

• Support independent conservative media and infrastructural growth in both the US and UK.
• Advocate and organize for freedom of speech and resist censorship.
• Promote and reinforce traditional civic values, emphasizing faith, family, and heritage.
• Build international alliances with likeminded “anti-globalists” to protect the future of Western civilization.

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End of Summary – Episode: CPAC UK AND THE SHARED FIGHT FOR WESTERN CIVILIZATION

Transcript

[Jack Posobec]

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Christ is King.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events daily. Today is July 17, 2026, Ann Domini, and we are here live at CPAC UK CPAC GB here in London, England. And I had the honor not only to speak here in the UK in London, but also to sit down with some of the leading figures in British politics, not only with the great Sir Jacob Rees Mogg here, who is a Conservative mp, but also with Liz Truss, former Prime Minister and one of the key organizer of CPAC Great Britain. Now, what a lot of people have to understand is back home in America is that the UK doesn't have this system of a conservative movement the way that we've had in the United States for a generation now that only really got started in the U.S. keep in mind, the conservative movement really got started with Ronald Reagan. And then after the Reagan era, you had folks like Rush Limbaugh and the rise of talk radio, the rise of conservative media, and then everything that came since. And I've always said that Rush Limbaugh was the pioneer of that. The UK has never really had that system yet. They're starting to. They're getting there. They did Brexit, they had Nigel Farage, who also was a speaker here. You've seen a lot of the rise of independent media now in the UK and more and more is still coming. And that's why holding a seat back here. And of course, there are members of Turning Point who are here as well to see what can be done on the ground in terms of organizing is so key and so important because it's not just about, you know, holding an event and getting up and speaking. It's about the meetings, it's about the connections, it's about building the infrastructure. And by the way, we're fighting for the same things. We're rowing in the same direction. The fight for freedom of speech is happening right here in England, where, by the way, the idea of freedom of speech first came up in the uk. This is where we have so many of the basis of the rights that we have, that we take for granted and that we fight for and cherish in the United States, the uk, they've lost a lot of those rights. There are people here. Lucy Connolly is here. She did 36 months in prison for a Facebook post. I just met her. She's going to be speaking later. There are people here who are political prisoners. There are now 16,000 people, year on year, who are arrested in the United Kingdom for speech crimes, for posts online. That's going on in a country where freedom of speech was born. We saw this in the United States with Doug Mackey got arrested for posing a meme. We saw people banned, we saw people debanked for having opinions online, having opinion on Facebook, having opinion on who won or didn't win the 2020 election. And of course, President Trump gave an incredible speech last night detailing the interference of the Chinese Communist party in the 2020 election. And I'll simply say on that point, we need massive tariffs as a response to the Chinese Communist Party's interference tariffs. And then take a look at, take every single visa of a Chinese student or a Chinese worker in the United States and shred it. There needs to be a response for this. China must pay. And don't even get me started on the fact that China has still not paid a dime for the damage that was caused by COVID 19, which was concocted in that lab in Wuhan in these experiments, the gain of function experiments. And Dr. Fauci was involved as well. But clearly that thing was designed and China has not paid a cent for what they did. Not just the United States, by the way, but to the entire world. President Trump has all of the tools and he's making the case, he's laying out the case against China. And I think now's the time. Now is the time to take it directly to them. And in fact, here at CPAC uk, I've been having many of those same conversations about how China, China is all over Europe. People need to understand this. China is all over Europe. China, the Huawei is getting in everywhere. Chinese money is everywhere. You know, there, there's, there's always been this, you know, Russia, Russia, Russia. But I look around Europe and I don't see Russia, Russia, Russia. I see China, China, China. And so President Trump is making the case and building the infrastructure. The evidence, just like the evidence has been dropping in the Tyler Robinson case. President Trump now bringing the receipts. And who's there to help him? Not just our great colleague John Solomon and the task force, but Bill the Bulldog Pulte. And this is exactly what we told you Bill the Bulldog would be doing, that he's going to go in there

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and he's going to run through this,

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these guys and he's going to get the information. And there's more to come to be sure. There's more to come. And I'm not just saying that because I think so. I'm saying that because I know so. I have been told that there are, this is just the first tranche of documents that are being declassified. So as we're going through all of these and there's so many, there's more come, there are more that are working their way through the declassification process. Of course, they have to check sources and methods and things like that. The lawyers have to go through it, but they're getting sign off by every head of the intelligence community. What does that mean? That means that if you present this in court, if you present that is something that you want to bring up, say, oh, I don't know, you want to tariff China 1000% on every good and it makes its way to the Supreme Court, you can say, well, here's the receipts of what they did, here's the receipts of what they did to deserve this, to receive this punitive tariff. And you know something? They deserve it. What are they going to say? What are they going to say if the receipts are right there? And I, I said this last night, I'll say it again. Isn't this an attack on our democracy? Isn't this an attack on our republic? Remember how we heard those phrases over and over and over?

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No.

[Jack Posobec]

This is literally an attack on our democracy is a direct interference, an attack on American sovereignty, on American election in 2020. I'll tell you why I actually don't necessarily think that China was pro Biden. See, they said, oh, they did that because they wanted Biden to win. Here's what I actually think happened. I think China is anti America and China knew that if President Trump were in office, that would be America unleashed. That's America with all of the innovation, elon Musk, the SpaceX, everything that he's doing, the AI race that would allow America to get ahead of China. That's what this is about. It's about slowing down America. It's about slowing down our innovation, slowing down everything that we are fighting for. And so what do they do? They picked the candidate who can't get out of the slow lane. They picked the candidate they knew would turn the whole focus of government inward, who would go after Trump supporters. And they interfered in the race. And Joe Biden got installed in office at inauguration that no one attended. Oh yes, everybody likes to miss that point. Everyone likes to skip that point that nobody was actually attending the Joe Biden inauguration. There's a crowd of flags. They put flags on the National Mall. I remember I was there, I looked at it. Never seen anything like it. There's a reason, there's a reason that even the Democrats and even the media

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want to try to pretend like none

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of that ever happened. Just like they're trying to pretend that wokeness never happened. Oh, it wasn't that bad. You guys are misremembering things. No, I remember. I remember what it was like watching people get canceled online, watching people lose their freedoms just because you showed up on January 6. I saw people who were arrested. I know people who have gone to jail. I know people have done time, like Lucy Connelly here has done time. Steve Bannon was arrested, Peter Navarro was arrested just for not testifying that going along with the show trial, the show, the show hearing of Nancy Pelosi, all of these things happened and they all happened under Biden and you cannot ever allow them to forget it. And so we won the 2024 election, but there's so much work to be done and we can get help from the uk. We can get help all across Europe, Poland, Hungary. We can get that support by finding like minded individuals all over the world.

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And I've, I've always sort of made

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this remark that it's ironic that in order to fight globalism it requires an international alliance of anti globalists. So this is Jack Posobic coming to you live from London, England. We'll be right back with more Human events daily. Real America's voice.

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Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun.

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This is Human Events with Jack Posobic.

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Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means.

[Jack Posobec]

Welcome to the second American Revolution.

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the

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stage Jack Basobiak, senior editor at Human Events.

[Jack Posobec]

Ladies and gentlemen, God save Britain, God save America and God save the West.

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And God save me and my microphone.

[Jack Posobec]

There we go. We do have God. We have God. And of course we have our crosses right there. Ladies and gentlemen, we're here today to talk about the media, but in a deeper sense, we're going to talk about what the media isn't doing. We are going to talk about the fact that the media's single greatest power is the power of selective bias. In terms of story selection, what do I mean by story selection? What do I mean by this? This is one of the biggest, biggest problems facing the west right now. And these are not merely academic problems. These are not merely problems of a philosophical nature. I've just come from Provo, Utah,

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which

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is a little town out in the west, just south of Salt Lake City, and I spent one week in a courtroom with the accused murderer of my friend Charlie Kirk, with Charlie's family,

and

in fact, with the accused's family sitting right there. It's a very small room. These actions and inactions by our media have real life consequences. And I wanted to say on behalf of myself and on behalf of the United States that our prayers are with all of you and the family of Ann Whitakem, who we know just lost her life. In a horrific act of violence, one of the most savage and brutal acts of violence that I have seen. And we now know, of course, that it is under investigation for a political motive. And so we ask ourselves, what is going on? Charlie Kirk assassinated Anne Witticombe may have been a politically motivated murder in the United States. President Trump has faced three assassination attempts, but by the grace of God, he was saved every single time. And I do believe, and I'll say it here, that God has a plan for Donald Trump. And I truly believe, by the way, I'm not even reading, so I'm just going to put this, you know, that that plan includes the United Kingdom. In fact, I was joking with my family. My two boys and my wife are right here. And they're not in the front row, but they're pretty close. Hey, guys. Thank you for coming. And I noticed that when. When President Trump hosted King Charles recently at the White House, that he gave an incredible speech and a very personal speech to him as well, talking about the shared civilization that the west has built, the shared values of the United States and the United Kingdom, and, in fact, the shared heritage that Donald Trump and his children personally share because of his mother, who was born in Scotland. And, of course, I also wondered, does that make him eligible to run for office in the UK Because I understand you're in need of a prime minister. I'm just saying. I'm just thinking he'll be out and Starmer is. Is he still Prime Minister, is he not? Prime Minister? It's Schrodinger Starmer, I think, at this point. And you know, I, I bid you well on having been rid of that disease. But unfortunately, I don't know if you're out of the frying pan and into the fire with Andy Burnham. But we'll see. The media plays a role in all of this because those of us assembled today, those of us who work in this space, those of us who have a voice, those of us who have fought for the ideals and the values that we believe gave rise to the greatest civilization on planet Earth, Western civilization, that we feel that something is wrong in our civilization, we feel that something is lost. We feel as though the elites are not listening to the people. And we can look out at London, we can look out at New York City where we have our wonderful mayor there, Zoran Mandami. Sure, you guys love him.

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I'm sure you've heard of him.

[Jack Posobec]

He's so great, isn't he? By the way, just on a single note, you remember Zorami, he campaigned on saying the bus would be free. He always said, well, free buses for everyone. Free buses for everyone. There are now. And I've just come from New York because we went for the July 4th celebration. I took the kids up to see the tall ships and the sails and the flyover. And the buses in New York City now have a sign on them that says, this bus is not free because people actually thought that a socialist would tell the truth for once. But as every single person in this room knows, all socialists do is lie. And this is where the media comes in. Because if you have a media that is captured and controlled by the elites, then you won't hear about those lies. You won't hear about the response to it. You won't hear about the rise of left wing violence, of political violence, of migrant violence, which of course we see here in the United Kingdom, that we see in the United States. Rachel Morin, Jocelyn Nungary Lake and Riley. And of course even here in the uk, the young man by the name of Henry Novak, and Henry Novak died while the police, his own government, the basic idea of the social contract was shredded in front of his eyes as his lifeblood poured out. Well, he was told that because of the color of his skin, because he happened to be a young white man, that he hadn't been stabbed. He must have been the aggressor. He was the one who was put in handcuffs as he died. This cannot stand. This cannot stand in Britain. It cannot stand in America, it cannot stand anywhere in the West. We will not accept two tier policing. We will not accept two tier justice. We will not accept two tier anything. No, no. And if we believe in human rights, then that means we believe in rights for all. This is the foundation of Western civilization. And we will continue to fight for that civilization and those fundamental human rights which were denied to Henry Novak, who could have lived. He was right around the corner from the station. He was right around the corner. And Charlie Kirk never heard the name Henry Novak. No. But I'll tell you what, if he had, Charlie would be right on the front lines fighting for this, just like all of you are today. Because that's what he fought for, that's what he lived, that's what he died for. And when Charlie came to Oxford, he talked about that shared heritage and he talked about the respect that he had for the United Kingdom, the respect that he had for the Enlightenment thinkers John Locke, Adam Smith and yes, Thomas Hobbes. Because as conservatives, you know, all I'm going to say is Hobbes was right. And the media exists to act as if none of this is happening. And to tell you that if you have a problem with it, well, we all know the labels that then come out affixed to your name. Racist, xenophobe, conspiracies, all the rest. And then a young man like Henry Novak dies and people left scratching their heads and they say, where's the CNN documentary? Where's the BBC docu series? Where's the Panorama on this never happens. No, instead we get Keir Starmer putting up was the show Adolescence on Netflix smearing young white men again as if they are the only aggressors in all of society. A society that is trained to fight itself will eventually do so. It will disintegrate and it will pit the people against one another rather than focusing on the shared things that we all agree with, that we all believe in. And I'll simply say something as this, that if you are a British person, if you are of British ancestry, then you are the native people of Britain. The native people of Britain are the native people of Britain. It's as simple as that. And yet these basic truths are completely expelled by the media. These basic facts of history, these basic facts of biology that anyone can see. And yet that birthright is denied. Britain is being denied its birthright and it can no longer stand. The British people must rise up and take back their country, must rise up and take back their government, must rise up for the future of the British People the same way the American people are fighting as much as we can in the United States. And thank God we have a man like Donald J. Trump to lead the way and lead the charge to be able to do so for the rights of all. And while I don't know if the specific legalities of whether or not his. His ancestry through his mother renders him eligible, though I would point out

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that

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your own immigration laws seem to offer this possibility to Donald Trump. Just saying. But barring that, I believe that the UK does have someone named Nigel Farage who I think would make a phenomenal Prime Minister, United Kingdom, to actually see that Brexit is implemented and actually see that the protection of the shores of this island is eternal. As Churchill said. As Churchill said down to the very beaches of England themselves. This is what the fight is about, ladies and gentlemen. The fight is about the media and the elites who don't want something like cpac GB happening. They don't want us getting to know each other. They don't want us getting together. They don't want us organizing. Well, guess what? We're here, I'm here, and we're not going anywhere. So, folks, I'll begin. I'll close as I started, and I will simply say this. There was a quote from the great writer, the great dissident, Alexander Solzhenitsyn towards the end of his life. And of course, he wrote about the Gulag Archipelago. He wrote about the rise of Bolshevism. He wrote about the excesses of the Soviet Union. And they said to him, alexander, how could such a thing have happened? How could such a thing have happened in the modern world? How could such a thing have happened in modern society? He said, it's very simple. We forgot God. Solzhenitsyn said it happened because we forgot God. And so I take that, and I realize that the way out of this is simple. The way out of this is absolutely simple. We must remember God and restore God to the very central core of Western civilization, where God is and always belonged, where he must be restored to his exact central core. Because this is the foundation of our moral civilization. This is the foundation of what it means to be a member of the west, what it means here to be a member of Christian Europe. And it is only by turning to God that we can save the West. Ladies and gentlemen, God save Britain, God save America, and God save the West. Thank you.

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Today, you know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers, and they're friends of mine. Jacksonvic, where's Jack? Jack, who's got a great job.

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Well, that's not a decision that I

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It's deeply. Is deeply depraved. It's deeply depraved. And, you know, I think there's also this sense of helplessness, of what. What can we actually do about this? What can we do about the fact that we now have these political, targeted, motivated killings taking place, you know, against figures who believe in the traditional Values of our nations.

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Well, look, I've gone to the White House and spoken to the President about this, and every time I see the President, I bring this topic up with him. I think that it is an existential threat to not only our movement and the people in it, but also to the country. Because if you have a situation where we had a Supreme Court justice just this week who was testifying, and she said that because she made a ruling in a pro life case and came down on the side of pro life against a pro choice legal decision, the Roe v. Wade case, that she was facing so many threats and that her home had been swatted that she was now wearing a bulletproof vest, a justice of the Supreme Court. And, you know, there's now this debate as to whether or not that violence or that threat of violence is affecting her current decisions. And I think that's fair to say because we have this.

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You probably don't even know if it's affecting your decisions.

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I think it is.

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But do you know what I'm saying? Is the individual concerned. Yes, it could be affecting their decisions. And they.

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Well, she is.

[Jack Posobec]

She has eight children.

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Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

You know, and that's. That's just, that's how people operate. And, and in a sense, you know, can you. Can you blame them? Obviously, the president has. And this is something that's real for the president because he's got his five children and I don't even know how many grandchildren at this point. And any one of them could be a threat simply because of what he doing, what he does. And so every time I see a member of the family, I thank them for being willing to be so public and take the stands that they do, because this is all real for them. They all have security now, all of them. They all have Secret Service everywhere they go all the time. And even Kai, when she's on the golf course, she's got Secret Service and she needs it, quite frankly. And look, it's. The only way to deal with it is you have to stamp it out. You have to stamp it out completely. You have to fight it like you fight cancer. And that means root and stem. And if you find people who are involved in this. And by the way, not speech.

[Jack Posobec]

Not speech. Right.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Speech is a totally separate thing because

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

all these lefties try and then say, well, blah, blah, blah.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Right, Right, right, right.

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

That's their. That's their kind of idea that you ban people from speaking.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Right. And that's not what I'm saying.

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

Which is the opposite of what needs to happen.

[Jack Posobec]

No.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

And there are people said hard, horrible things about Charlie after, you know, after the fact. And I don't. I don't recall ever calling for anyone to be, you know, banned or arrested or something like that. Some people may have lost their jobs and, you know, gosh, what a shame. You know, but, you know, the idea of being arrested for something like that, that's. I don't think Charlie would stand for that, quite frankly. Of course not.

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

Because that is the basis of our civilization.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Precisely. And that's, that's specifically. So if there are organizations, antifa organizations,

[Jack Posobec]

which are real, which are quite real,

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

who are involved in these types of things and organizing these types of events, they need to be gone after the hammer, have to come down on them very swiftly. It has to be public. And look, just speaking as American, know that this happened in Utah. I've said it. I've said it publicly. I've said it. And it's, I don't know, kind of been written up in media now for taking the stance. So people have asked me, do you support the death penalty for Charlie's accused assassin? And it is something that's actually on the table because it's Utah. You're out west and you've been to Utah. So, you know, and Utah, believe it or not, still has on the books the firing squad, the accused has to, if I understand correctly, they have to request it. But it's still, it is still applicable. And, and what I said is this. I would support that for all assassins, and here's why. Because an assassin isn't just a murderer. It's actually something worse. A political assassin is actually targeting your,

[Jack Posobec]

as you just said, your way of

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

life, your fundamental bedrock building blocks of the way of life. What could be more an example or expression of free speech than going to the modern public square of a college campus, having a live stream on all your social media platforms and having two microphones, not one, two, and sitting down and saying, let's chat, let's have a discussion about these issues. Charlie did not die with a knife in his hand or a gun in his hand. It was a microphone that he was holding to try to have a civil conversation. So that is an attack not just on Charlie. It's an attack on everything that we believe. It's an attack on our society itself. And I would argue that an attack on a society itself like that being so horrific, that requires the ultimate punishment as not just. Not just a corrective, but a deterrent.

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

Correct. And do you think that the authorities in the United States Are going after these organizations enough?

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

I'd like to see more.

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

I'd like to see what would that. Is that because the authorities in the United States have. We have a problem with our judiciary and our police forces, which they've been, they have been infiltrated by progressive ideology. You may have seen the case of Henry Novak, of course, and this spoke

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

about it, isn't it?

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

Yes, of course. Yeah. But the. Do you, do you have that problem in the United States? So your law enforcement authorities are compromised.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

So yes, with the judiciary. And that's thanks to Mr. Soros when I was talking about his excellent ROI. That's because, for example, my, I'm from the Philadelphia area and we have a district attorney who's our chief prosecutor, prosecutor for Philadelphia, who is for all intents and purposes, an employee of George Soros. The amount of money he's taken from him. And so, you know, someone commits a murder and they get let back out on the street almost or they find some way to make it. And he's actually been so bad, he's actually been such a bad prosecutor. And Philadelphia is the largest city in my state of Pennsylvania that the Democrats Supreme Court of Pennsylvania came down and said that every decision out of his office, they just put a sanction on him, that every decision out of his office now has to be reviewed by the statewide attorney general. Every decision because he's just been lying and he's found to be lying by his own party. This is how radical he is. And unfortunately we have a Republican attorney general in the state of Pennsylvania right now. It's a bit of a split government. So it's a, that's a complicated story. But he's a very good attorney general. And so we have that problem certainly at the judiciary level, not so much at the police force level and at the state and city level, perhaps a bit at the federal, with the FBI, these types of things. But that is being fixed with the new leadership there. And because we have that deep state more at the federal level. But yes, certainly in the judge judiciary. Actually the President mentioned something about this recently when I saw him where he was saying that the New York judges seem to be wanting to allow Luci

[Jack Posobec]

Maggione to get away with literal murder, to just get away with it.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

And obviously we know that the President has went up against the very same system himself when he was arrested, indicted. And, and so it's a fight for sure. And I think that anything and everything that can be done, specifically, I think on the financial level, there's so much that can be done to defund these organizations to pull that money from them. Because if that Soros money or whatever it is is getting down or there are social media or these e money systems that are being used to fund organizations or they fund them themselves, well then you go to the organization and say you will be fined, you will be shut down if you are found to be complicit in this the same way you would do if it was a transnational narcotics gang or funding radical terrorist Islam or something like this. We have all the tools but it needs to be fought like when we fought isis. And it was not just a military response, an intelligence response, a financial response. It was a whole of government. It was every single way that you could do that. And so what I've pitched publicly and privately is for a joint task force to be set up at the national level then to work with each area, target key areas where this activity is going on. Minneapolis, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, wherever it at Salt Lake City and just throw the book at them. Throw everything we have at this.

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

We need to completely throw the book.

[Jack Posobec]

Yeah.

[Guest / Commentator (possibly a UK political commentator or analyst)]

Thank you so much Jack for being on the show. It's been great to have you. Thanks for coming to London.

[Jack Posobec]

Happy to be here. It's an honor.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

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[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

so

[Jack Posobec]

we're going to call this the Jack Posobic appreciation hour. I can say confidently I believe I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobic.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

And that.

[Jack Posobec]

That is, I think.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

All right, Jack Posobic, we are here live in London, uk. I think, as far as I know, is the first in person interview I've done in the uk and I was very honored to do this with you. The Right Honourable Representative Member of Parliament, Jacob Rees Moss. Thank you. So, Mog, thank you so much for joining me here today.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

It's a pleasure. I'm very pleased to be at the CPAC conference.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Tell us about why is it important for CPAC to be here in England at this time?

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

Well, I think it's always a battle of ideas. All politics is ultimately nuclear battle of ideas and the right needs to be putting its ideas forward. We suffered a huge defeat two years ago and it seemed as if we were out for the count, but we're not. We've got lots of thoughts about how the country can be better governed, how you can make a success of the economy, but also of the nation state with secure borders and better defence. And you need people to be thinking about that to prepare the policies for 2029, the next generation election, in the hope and expectation that we can win that.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

So this has been the role of CPAC in the United States, sort of a convention within a convention sort of system where it's not a political party event. And yet typically you will see these predominantly in presidential years, you'll see a lot of or in the past, you would see a lot of the candidates who were vying for office would come to a CPAC and they would discuss the issues. And so it would actually serve as an organizational tool for politics as well as the idea side. And it struck me that here in the uk, it almost seems that that system hadn't really been developed yet.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

Well, we have a very different system and in terms of developing people, because we've had a permanent civil service, nominally apolitical, we haven't needed people in the same way as a new American president has needed people. I wonder whether that's beginning to change because our non political civil service seems to be rather more political than you might have hoped for, and that therefore an incoming Conservative government, one of the things it will need to do, will have more people in government who are overtly political, rather than allowing it to be done by a closed sect.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

There are those of us who saw President Trump's first term and think that he ran into the exact same situation. And that is why in his second term he worked and the administration during the transitory period worked very closely with outside organizations, Heritage Foundation, Turning Point usa, many others, to find those individuals and be able to staff the government. Because this, this was a huge deficiency I believe in, and one that was observed and adapted and executed on a new plan. Because where the first term he brought in a lot of sort of the. The establishment. I know you gave a speech on the Blob just now, and that's precisely the issue that we ran into. The first term was enveloped by the Blob, you could say. And this term, very much beginning with Elon Musk, beginning with Doge, it was that sort of turning the screws to the Blob itself.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

Yes. And that is a problem here. And I think there's a lot we can learn from how you did that in the United States. How do you find people? Because if you look at reform, and I'm not a member of reform, I'm a member of the Conservative Party, it finds it difficult to select good candidates for parliamentary elections and for council elections, and it gets into trouble because they've said or done foolish things. So if you go too much for outsiders, you may get people who are damaging to your reputation. On the other hand, if you go for the establishment candidate, you don't change anything because they will remain the same. So you need to be doing a lot of detailed work on who you need and what they can do and what they can contribute and to try find people who are able to make that contribution. And I think you've done that in a way that we can learn from for Trump too, specifically, when you talk

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

about talent development and talent acquisition and talent discovery, this is something that Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk personally worked on very, very directly, because everyone knows that he went to the college campuses and Reflections course. Everyone knows about the speeches and the debates that he would do. But the real work, I believe, was always the chapters, establishing the chapters, finding the new student leaders, finding the people who would be successful and then working with them, seeing if they wanted to run for student body government. If they succeeded there, perhaps they would get hired by the national organization and many of which have gone on into their own political careers. One of we have a congresswoman now out of Florida who started as a Turning Point contributor. She's now a member of Congress.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

And I know you're doing a bit of that in England. I went to speak to Turning Point at Oxford University in honour of the memory of Charlie Kirk. That was why I went. I thought that he was so important in defending Free speech and putting that argument across that when Oxford set up its Turning Point group, I wanted to go and really pay respect. And I was very pleased to see that that was happening and that you are doing that development of people here.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Well, and I can tell you on a personal level that Charlie was so excited to come to speak at Oxford. He thought it was just the trip of a lifetime. And, of course, we thought it would be the first of many, many trips to Oxford. But I'll never forget what he said and. And talked about, how impressed he was and how much respect he had for the English tradition, for the Enlightenment thinkers, for really the system of civil liberties and civil thought that come out of England. And I'd never heard him talk about it that much before, but I always remembered that, and he still does to this day. In his office, he has the portrait of Winston Churchill.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

Okay. Yes, yes. Well, I mean, a matter of America is helping us protect our liberties, which we've been rather careless about. We've taken them so for granted that we don't think it's necessary to protect them. And then you suddenly find people being arrested for praying outside an abortion clinic or whatever it is, silently praying for thought crimes, people being arrested at airports for tweets who are comedians. We are allowing freedom of speech to come under threat, not because anyone really wants. Wants to do it, but just out of carelessness, because we're so used to it. And America is, I think, helping us remember how important freedom of speech is.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

And unfortunately, and I don't want to dwell on it too much, in the United States, we've seen the rise of political violence, assassination attempts on President Trump, murder of Charlie Kirk. I've just come from the courtroom where the hearings are now getting underway, and I come to the UK and suddenly I see all these headlines about this Anne Witticombe. And I understand there's still an investigation underway, but I hope and pray that. That the specter of that type of political violence does not come to the UK and does not spread here.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

Well, likewise. I obviously hope that. I think we're lucky in that there are very few guns in this country. It's not an attack on the Second Amendment. If I were American, I would be in favour of maintaining the right to bear arms, because you've got so many already, and if you took it away from good people, you would only leave them with bad people. In this country, we have very few guns, and it's quite sensible to keep it that way. So I think, once again, I think both our systems do things differently, but both come to the right answer. That is a safeguard. But we've seen now three politicians being killed within 10 years by apparently random people. It was somehow different when it was the ira because you knew where the threat was, you knew who was threatened. And you could give protection to the Prime Minister, the Home Secretary, the Northern Ireland Secretary. There's a small number of people who needed protection. This throws it out to a much larger number of people. It's very difficult to provide protection for all of them. And then there's the question, which will be discovered by the courts, of the motivation behind the murder of Anne Widdicombe, which will add further depending on what that is to people's concern.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

And in fact, that is actually the issue at play even in Charlie's case right now, where his lawyers are trying to argue that there was no religious motivation or anti religious motivation, even though we see text messages and postings and that there's no political motivation, even though we see etchings and all the rest. And simply to say, I hope and pray that England is able and the UK writ large is able to face these issues head on, doesn't have any of the political violence that we have and that all of these issues, it comes back to that freedom of speech. And I think that that's something that we should always, always share.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

I completely agree. In England, freedom of speech is absolute. In Parliament, in our Bill of Rights, in your Bill of Rights, it's freedom of speech for everybody. I think there's something to be said for your approach.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Well, it was written by a bunch of British folks.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

That's true.

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Thank you very much.

[Jacob Rees-Mogg]

Thank you so much. Thank you,

[Interviewer / Host (possibly a Human Events journalist)]

Sam.