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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec
EMBRACE MASCULINITY - Lifting Men Up In A World That Pushes Them Down
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Thank you for having me.
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Tell me, tell me about the book here. Embracing masculinity.
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Yes. So embrace masculinity. Lifting men up in a world that pushes them down is a guide for godly living in America today. It is the perspective of a 23 year old Christian, now Catholic homeschool graduate on the decline of the west and how best to address it. And we start with the destruction of the nuclear family, which we know is the most powerful unit in the history of the world. It's the reason why countries are built. It's the reason why America was created was to pursue these ideals of morality, goodness and family. And so I wrote the book sort of as a guide, as a handbook for young men trying to traverse the political terrain and the world at large where we've told people for generations that their inherent values, the desires that they know deep down to be true are wrong and something to be ashamed of. And so growing up in that world, in Hollywood, my parents are both actors. I saw specifically the desecration of what was once holy with the family unit. I mean, my parents have been married for 27 years now and I think 10 years is a golden anniversary in Hollywood. They don't expect you to.
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Hollywood is not exactly known for that, not at all.
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And so I wanted to speak to my generation because we have great minds in the conservative sphere. We have the Charlie Kirks, the Jordan Petersons, what you've been doing. We don't have a 23 year old man who has lived experiences in Gen Z that can relate to the other generation. And so that's why I wrote the book.
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So let me, let's ask that and I want to tease that out a little bit because you know, we talk about this and you know, and I always tell people, they say like, they say, like, well, you know, I'm not Gen Z, but, you know, they say, like, what do you. What do you care so much? Because, well, this is the next generation that's coming online. They're coming online now. And. And at the end of the day, it's, I shouldn't tell Gen Z what to think. I want to listen. I just want to listen. And it seems to me like nobody's listening to them. Whether it be, you know, Millennial, Gen X, and certainly the baby boomers, just nobody wants to listen because unfortunately, America has changed. The game has changed. There's been so much shift under everyone's feet, and Gen Z is now sort of coming into the workforce, coming into the world for the first time, having to stand on their own two feet and saying, wait a minute, you know, where's this American dream that we were promised?
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That's excellent.
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Do I have it a little bit.
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Right on the money? The very first chapter of the book is titled the America your parents knew is dead.
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Yeah.
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And so we. I explore the fact that the American dream no longer exist. I mean, you look at a graduating salary for a College student in 1969 was roughly 10 to $11,000 a year. If we account for inflation, that's between the 80 and $100,000 range. Today, the graduating salary of a college student in 2025 is 60 to 80 grand. So you are making almost the low end of that spectrum, except for the fact that because of inflation, the cost of goods and living has skyrocketed so that the dollar doesn't go as far.
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The way that I put this is that while the costs for everything have gone up over the last 30, 35, 40 years, the salaries have pretty much stayed the same.
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Yes.
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So you're making the same amount of money. Meanwhile, the cost for health care and the cost for rent or, you know, trying to buy a home, it's astronomical. How many people do you know your age who own their own home?
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I know very, very few, if any at all. That's the problem is we live in this renter's paradise. And it's miserable because you're telling these people that.
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Do the landlords.
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It is. It is. All you have to do is pick yourself up by your bootstraps and everything will be good and your problems will be solved. But that's not the case anymore. You need two incomes just to support a family of one or two kids. I mean, 20% of parents with more than two kids are foregoing. They're skipping an entire meal during the day, just so that their kids can eat. That is not the American dream. That's not what our founders envisioned.
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Yeah, I'll just. Kind of a personal story. I haven't mentioned this on aerie, but I had some oral surgery, you know, recently. And, you know, I said, this toothache that wouldn't go. Couldn't figure out what's going on and go in. Had a root canal that went bad on me. You know, you're in. You're in just dentist hell for a little bit. Trying to. Are they upselling me or is this real? You know, and so I go in, I go in, I go to the. The specialist, they say, it comes in, they say, oh, but, you know, you know, your family's been using a lot of the insurance this year because I have kids. And I said, okay, all right, we've had work done. And they say, well, you're gonna have to pay for this out of pocket. Or I'll pay her out of pocket. Whatever, Whatever. No problem. They go, how much does it go? That'll be. It's $2,000. Like $2,000 just for a toothache, right? To fix a root canal. Yeah. And. And I said, no, look, my family's been very blessed. I've been very blessed. But I sit there and say, $2,000 for. For a toothache. And I say, no wonder. There's so many people that are turning towards radicalism now because the system is causing them to be radical. And then people want to blame it on all. Well, they're watching too much YouTube or. Oh, they're, you know, going. Playing too many video games or, you know, whatever it is. They said, no, I think it's just the system has screwed them over. And so because of these situations, they. And by the way, not only while all that's going on, they can see people getting rich off of seemingly nothing. They can see the Silicon Valley billionaires and the amounts of money that they're getting. They could see the financialization of Wall street. And they say, wait a minute. These guys are living large. And meanwhile, I can't pay for a toothache. Something. Something's got to give. And yes, this is why, unfortunately, you can get Azora Momdami elected in New York City, who I do believe will be the next mayor of New York.
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I do, too.
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And by the way, in the same city where you had Luigi Maggione, who was a zoomer who decided to take issues or matters into his own hands and is supported by a lot of people because of these tensions and Pressures.
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Yeah. And I don't say this as a call to action or anything, but that is what's starting to happen. And that is unfortunately, the turn that the world is taking, where people are, like you said, taking matters into their own hands and, and doing it in the worst possible way. Because we lack morality as a foundation for our society. We've made morality subjective. I was just talking to a young lady who is an atheist and she doesn't believe in God. She doesn't have any foundation for her morality. And I said, but where do you get the differences between right and wrong? Where do you have it? Obviously, we know St. Paul writes in First Corinthians, he says the law is written on the hearts of man. But people who reject that and decide to find their own morality end up leading us.
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I always go to I love talking to atheists and say, why don't you just steal stuff? Yeah, why don't you just steal stuff? If you want something, why don't you just steal it? Go ahead, just take it.
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Yeah. What's wrong?
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Well, you're not supposed to. Why not? You're an atheist. There's no moral code. If there's no God, there's no morality. There's no morality, Then why not just steal everything you want all the time?
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Yes. And it devolves into this system that we have today where you said people are becoming famous for nothing. You have girls on OnlyFans selling their bodies, calling it, calling it prosperity, calling it girl bossing. We gave women the right to vote 100 years ago. The 19th amendment was ratified, and we said with the feminist movements, you can be anything you want. And this is a statistic that will shock a lot of people. 10%. 1 in 10 women today in Gen Z are on OnlyFans selling themselves. And that's the ones who answered the question. It can't be 10%. OnlyFans has 1.4 million active users, 1.2 million of which are 28 and younger. 10% of young women are currently selling themselves. We said, you can be anything you want, and they chose to be prostitutes. And we're applauding it. We are uplifting it. As good, as virtuous, as empowering, when all that does is destroy them. It ruins the ability to form bonds with people. It destroys your ability to pair with a mate and actually have a successful marriage. We know that the higher you go up in a body count, especially for young women, the harder it is to actually survive in marriage, because what happens is the genetic makeup of your brain changes. And it shifts and you begin seeking more and more and more. And that's what we have with the self gratification culture. We have normalized young people never being happy. You can go on Tinder, sit in the comfort of your home and swipe and swipe and swipe. And the app will tell you you have a thousand matches, you have 100 matches. The best thing may be one swipe away. So you're never satisfied. Social media glorifies this idea of the perfect relationship, where you have curated images online, where it's a misconception of what life actually is.
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Well, because we have so much. But hold on, this is just people pursuing their pleasures. And so because people are just pursuing their pleasures, certainly that would mean then that our society should probably be, we should be seeing depression decrease. We should be seeing people's happiness increase. We should see therapy hours decreasing, pharmaceutical use decreasing, SSRI use decreasing, suicide use decreasing, crimes and, you know, deaths of despair decreasing. That's what's happening, right?
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Exactly. It's not like 75% of women are on one form of antidepressant or another Currently, where 50% of men have survived.
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So we have the most depressed society, but also the most popular pleasure seeking society at the same time. It's amazing, isn't it?
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It's so interesting how dying to oneself is actually the way to find happiness. Which is what we're told to do in the Bible, right? To pick up the cross, carry Christ and deny oneself.
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I'm a firm believer that, and even, you know, I'm a cradle Catholic, you know, we're Polish, we pretty much only come in one flavor. But you know, it, it, it's something that. It took me a long time to understand that the things that, that the Bible prescribes as sinful are also actually bad for you.
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Yes.
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You hear what I mean?
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Yes, I do. And that is the problem is we've, with the society that we have, the people in charge have told everybody that those desires are inherently, they're just natural, they're human, they should be explored. And like you said, what we're seeing is an increase in mental health problems, an increase in suicide, an increase in depression. I just wrote an article that therapy replaces confession and it doesn't work because confession, you go to a priest. I had my first confession this Easter right before the.
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Congratulations, by the way. Welcome home.
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Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Patron, Patron Saints Justin Martyr so I chose theology and apologetics. And so I tell people I just.
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Sponsored someone and he chose Thomas Aquinas.
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Fantastic. I have a feeling my little sister will convert this next visual, and I'll actually be helping teach rcia, which makes me just ecstatic. But I tell people that confession replaces therapy because at confession, you go to a priest who's acting in Persona Christi, which is in the person of Christ, for those who don't know. And the priest is given the ability to forgive sins in John chapter 20 by our Lord himself. It's the first thing he did after he resurrected. He was trying to show the significance of it. And people, just as Protestants, which I was raised as, we forego it, we go, this is irrelevant. We don't actually need it because we read the Bible and interpret it how we see fit. Sola fide, sola scriptura, you know, the five SOLAs. And so what I tell people is therapy doesn't actually beget change because a therapist has no reason to heal you.
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I wrote a whole chapter, confession without God.
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It's Confession without God, and it's actually complacent. So I wrote an entire chapter called the Big Pharma Industry, where a cured patient is a lost customer. So if I'm a therapist, I want to sit there and say, well, yeah, you don't need to take responsibility for what you've done. That's your childhood trauma. That's your past. That's the other people who hurt you. You're damaged, you're beyond repair. Whereas confession calls you to be better, it calls you to change.
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You know, And I mean, that's literally in the name confession and reconciliation, of course, as the name of the sacrament. So you must reconcile yourself with God because you have committed wrong. And so this is the first point of confession is. Therapy is. Therapy is. Oh, I want to go and complain. Confession is right from the bat, right off the very bat, from the very start. You have to admit I was wrong.
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Yes.
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And you have to admit that in the presence of God, forgive me, Father.
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For I have sinned.
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Father, for I've sinned. It's been X amount of times my last confession. And you. You make your act of contrition. And so it's. It's all about contrition and the point of contrition. And of course, this is. This is Catholic theology. And I understand. And I understand that, you know, you know, not everybody. I'll put it this way, not everyone understands it, right? There's a Fulton Sheen, the great Fulton Sheen once said that. That there. There are so many people who hate Catholicism but don't actually know what Catholicism is. And. And they hate what they think. It's not. And it's. It's this idea that in order to fully embrace Christ in communion, you must be within a state of grace. And so to receive a state of grace, you must reconcile yourself and reconcile your sin with God.
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Yes.
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Prior to that. This is why as children, for example, so people. I remember people, I had this debate going.
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This.
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Okay. Back when Biden was still in office, and they said. They said, why do you say Biden shouldn't receive communion? Because. Because, you know, you're. You're denying him the presence of Christ. No, no, no, no. He's denying himself the presence of Christ through his public sin. And so what. What I'm saying, I'm denying. So of course I deny the president. Deny communion to a lot of. I denied to my own children.
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Yes. I deny that. Right.
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So my children, who are four and seven, have never received Eucharist at this point.
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Yes.
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Right. So my. My son. He's. My older son, is just, I think, on the cusp of being able to. I feel like he's ready.
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Okay.
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I feel like he's ready for it now. He'll be going into second grade next year, so that's really the. The year that, you know, that it'll happen. I feel like he's pretty much there where he can start the process. But prior to communion, you have to go through reconciliation.
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Yes. To be in a state of grace. And I like to explain it to Protestants with the whole theology aspect of penance. Reconciliation is essentially me, if I wrong you. Right. And I apologize and ask for your forgiveness, and you forgive me. I've already received that forgiveness.
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Right.
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And I decide to buy you lunch or do something just to. To make myself feel better. The temporal and eternal consequences of sin. The eternal is already taken care of. The temporal. The me feeling better and fixing that relationship even more. Comes from penance, comes from, you know, that kind of.
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You put it into. You put it into physical terms. You know, if. If. If you break a window and you say, I'm sorry, okay, you're forgiven. But the window is still broken.
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Yeah.
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The window still needs to be fixed. And who should pay for that window? Window? Well, the person who broke it should.
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Yeah.
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So the debt still remains.
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Yes. And so. So I love that aspect of theology and explaining it, like you said with Bishop.
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And so you take all this back. This is what. Reconciliation, this is what Christ gave us. And it's this incredible, very powerful sacrament. And it's a process that you must go through that in therapy, culture, you're really not getting. Because they don't ask you to take accountability for your own actions. You put it on your mom and dad, you put it on your spouse, you put it on society or something. And the answer is drugs.
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Yes, the answer is drugs. We are an overly medicated society and we're seeing obviously the decline of that. People are unhappy. People aren't getting married, they aren't making friends, they aren't lasting in the workforce, they aren't lasting in relationships. The problems are tenfold. We have, through the slow whittling of morality in this country, destroyed everything that once, everything that once built this place, everything that America used to stand for.
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Well, let me, let me ask you this then, because, and you know, it's interesting, by the way, you mentioned the. I'll just say on the medication part, my, my wife, she comes from Eastern Europe. So, you know, for a lot of the things that we're talking about, even though she's been in the US for, for quite some time now, it still just, it seems so foreign to her because when she hears about the medication, she said, you're on what? Yeah, you guys are on these powerful medications. It says she said, I don't know anyone back home who's on anything like this. We just don't have. It doesn't exist. And she goes off on the, the food as well. She's big into the, she works with Maha action and does some stuff there because, you know, she's just from a world where none of that exists, where it's just stuff is grown and it's brought to you and that's it. There's no, you know, Monsanto and GMOs, the rest of it. And so when, when you're looking at a society like that and you talk about embracing masculinity, I said to, I've said for a long time and I've said, I said what I was on Tucker and I said others that the most masculine word in the English language is the word no. It's the word no. And I've thought for a long time that this is the, probably the highest role of men in society is the word no. And to say no, that when these ideas come out and, oh, this new thing and it's popular, we're going to do it. And it's men, stop saying no. And men to be masculine. Look, it doesn't mean just going to the gym and, you know, getting shredded and, you know, no offense.
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No, no, no, not taken.
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And you know, but, but I mean, like, that's physical strength. Yeah, which, which, which, which. Yeah, you see a ton of that on social media. You see a ton of that. But what we've lost is what you're talking about, the moral strength.
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Yes.
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And you don't see this moral courage anymore to just say no to the things that men know are obviously wrong. And I'm sorry, guys, but I'm going to do the most radical thing I always do is I agree with the feminists because they say, they say all. They say all the problems in society are men's fault. And I say, yeah, they are, they are men's fault.
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Weak men.
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Because men have allowed it to get this way.
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Yes. And so I actually dive into that. There is. The second chapter is called the future is patriarchy and the war between the patriarchy. So there will always be a man in charge. Whether or not he is good or bad is the determining factor. And so right now we have bad patriarchs running everything and slowly destroying men. And there's three ways that they do this. One, they harness the power. Think, you know, Pharaoh in Egypt harnessing the power to build the pyramids. Two, they pacify the men. Bread in circuses, the Coliseum, even the NFL, NBA Today.
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FanDuel.
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FanDuel. The last way is to kill them. If they can't make them passive, if they can't harness the power, they're going to kill them, which is where we're at in America today. Think abortion and think pornography. We have the physical and the spiritual murdering of men so they do not see a reason to stand up and fight for what they believe. I touch on this. I say it doesn't matter if you can deadlift £500 if you are unwilling to stand up for what you know to be true. And so I love to tell people that you need to become physically dominant, you need to become a threat and you need to become formidable. That doesn't mean you need to take steroids and become a jacked IFBB pro bodybuilder means you mean to become capable. Because when you become physically capable, when you become assertive as a man, you become less agreeable. You are more likely to think for yourself. There's scientific studies to back this up. The physical prowess of somebody and their critical thinking capabilities go hand in hand. And so when a society is weak, they become agreeable and complacent, which is what we've come to.
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Well, you know why that is, right? Because when you're, when you're physically weak, then your only way to provide for physical security for yourself Is through the crowd, is through the group, is through consensus. And so this group, collective security. So I'm secure physically because I'm protected by the group. Which is also why you don't want to think for yourself. Because to think for yourself means you might be outside the group. And if you're out, if you're thinking for yourself now, you're outside the group now. Oh, what I've said is not safe. Therefore, I might be ostracized in the group now. I'm going to lose my physical security. However, if you have a male who is physically able to defend themselves, they are. They will consider themselves more willing to not just, by the way, think for yourself, but act upon those thoughts. Right. So it is the action as well as the thought to just.
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Because.
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Oh, I think freely. I think freely. Really? Okay, what are you doing with that? Like, have you actually. Have you acted upon it? Have you said anything? And believe me, I say all sorts of things that, you know, that get me in trouble on a regular basis. And I'm sorry, but, like, that's. That's what I've always done this. I live my entire life. I don't care who I'm with. I don't care how rich you are. I don't care how powerful you are. I am the same way that I am. Go ask anybody. I could be down at Mar a Lago. I could be up in New York City on Wall street, meeting dinner with billionaires. Whoever it is, I am the same way to everybody that I always am because I'm going to be true to myself, and I try to be true to God. And so the idea being then is that you must be both physically. And the point is you don't want to be physically weak.
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Yes, right.
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That's. That's what. That's what the real danger is, being physically weak. And so when to kind of bring that back in, you know, when we talk about, you know, patriarchy. Patriarchy, I say, well, you know, here's what I talk about in my family, right? Myself, my wife, my kids. And when the kids are without boundaries, I notice that's when they get unruly.
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Yes.
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That's when they start fighting each other. They start getting upset, they start bounding around, they start going nuts. And when they go to Mom, Mom's there for the compassion, the nurturing, the love. But when Dad's around, Dad's role is boundary serious. Dad's role is it's time to get serious. And look, I love my kids, I play with my kids. All the time. But, but they know, they know if they get out of line and I just, I give them the look. Yeah. And if I give them the look, they, they, they stand up a little bit straighter. Just a little bit. And they say, and you know, my wife will say, well, how come they don't respond to me that way? And it's like you're five, three, you.
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Know, well, that's the divine order.
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Right.
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It's not because your wife.
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That's how it is.
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Exactly. And that's what I write. It's not because the woman is less valuable than the man.
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Women.
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Christianity is the only religion to uphold women as equal. No other religion in the history of the world has had women as anything other than a second class or even lower citizen. Christianity is the only religion to uphold women as equal. And so I like to say that same value, different duties. God, God took Eve from Adam's in a different direction. Exactly. God took Eve from Adam's rib so that they would be equal. Right. Not from his head, so that she would lord her over him, not from his foot, so he would trample over her. From next to his heart to be loved by him, from next to under his arm to be protected by him. Jesus is not less than the Father because he submitted to the will of the Father and put himself, allowed himself to be put on the cross. We know Jesus could have gotten off the cross at any moment. We know this. But he submitted to the will of the Father for the benefit of the universe and the divine order that has been implemented from its conception. That is how marriage is. There is a divine order in the universe where we are equal with different responsibilities. And when we actualize that, that what we do is we create something godly and beautiful.
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And when it comes down to it, you know, you can read every page of the Bible. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry to all the, all the feminists out there. There's a reason it says God the Father.
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It's true. And that's just it. And I tell people, like you said with your kids, when the father looks at the kids, the kids straighten up. We have given God away and we can become unruly. We do whatever we want because we don't want the responsibility of acting. And I tell people, God has children, not grandchildren. It is our duty to bring people to that light, to bring people with that love. We can't force anyone to convert. I can show you the truth, but you are going to be the one who has to accept it. You're going to be the one who has to put those limitations on yourself because you understand it's for your greater good. Your kids respect you and do what you say because they know deep down that even if they like, you know, oh, I want to be unruly. I want to, you know, say no to dad or whatever, I know that he cares for me and has my best interests at heart. So I'm going to do what he says. Because you've shown them that it's the same thing with God.
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And, and, and you, you see this as well. You see this with people as they, as they age. I see it with people even when I meet you Can. I've gotten to this point now. It's something where I don't want to say who said this to me, but someone very high profile in sort of the media world said, you know, I can always tell when I'm, when I, within a few minutes of meeting somebody what kind of relationship they have with their father. Yeah, I can, I can tell that almost immediately. And so this, me recently, and I've been thinking about that more and more, and I said, you know what? It's so true. And it's, it's such a way to, it really does divide people. It really is something that, where it stands out that you can see someone, that, that father's relationship with them and the way the father raised them and formed them, it shows throughout their entire life, beyond when they're, you know, beyond when their, their, their father's gone and passed from this mortal coil. So I'd like to say, could see that you have a pretty good relationship with your dad.
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I do. He's a great guy. I love him dearly. I, I, I love that point specifically because unfortunately, when you said earlier, every problem goes back to the men being problematic. It's true. A poor father leads children astray.
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So we have a society, a society now of arrested development. We have a society where no one grows up. And unfortunately, you have children raising children. They say, oh, my kids are my buddies. My kids are my pals. We're gonna go to the new Marvel movie. We're gonna go, whatever. You know, I was gonna mention movies at some point.
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Yeah.
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You know, but it, but I love going to movies with my kids. I love going to my kids. We do it all the time. But the point is, is, but you know what we do, actually, we also, I love dissecting the movies with the kids. I'll say, hey, what was, you know, who was the protagonist, who was the antagonist you know, what was the climax? What was the. And they're little, but, like, I asked them to think about these things as they watch the movie. It's not just a bunch of random stuff happening on screen. You know, it's. It's a story. And how does the story work? Did the story make sense? You know, and. And the point being is that, you know, when you live in a society again, of these soft men who, many of which are raising their own children, it's. Or in some cases, you have kids that are raised without a father at all. And it's horrible that you get the society that we have today.
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B
Yeah. And it goes all the way back to the destruction of the nuclear family. Because what is a man's duty is to take care of his family. Right. Longevity is the greatest legacy that we can leave as men. And so when we took that away from men, we took away their desire to succeed. And so, unfortunately, my generation now has to fight, now has to take this battle without the guarantee of a wife and kids. I mean, that's all I want in life, is to leave a legacy behind.
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A
And I remember being, you know, even before I had my wife and kids, I said, what would you. What would you want to be successful in life? And I always said, have a wife and kids and make enough money that I don't have to send them to government school.
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B
Amen.
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A
You know, and that's it. That's it. That's it for me. You know, and I talk about this a lot, but one thing that I would add to all of this is that it didn't go away on its own. And this is key, is that there were deliberate infiltrations, operations, perversions, deflect, whatever you want to call it, that were done to this country predominantly starting in the 1960s. You can go back further to a number of eras in our history, but the deliberate action, I really do say took place in the 1960s and on forward to divide our country up and pit the genders against each other, to pit the races against each other, to create new genders and pit them against each other and more and more and more. And number one, and what was the first thing they did? They took God out of the public square. So when they took God out of the public square, and inevitably, what they were able to do was replace him over time with their own religion.
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B
They did. Christianity is a marriage. Marriage is a Christian institution, is what I tell everybody. And the government, it a state institution. It made it a state religion. And so we added no Fault, divorce. We took the Bible out of schools. We gave people no reason to be proud of the nation they came from. And we destroyed what it meant to be American. Because the idea of America was you could come from anywhere and be anything. You work hard, you fight, and you have a chance of succeeding better than anywhere else in the world. And we took that away from young men. And because of it, like you said, people don't want to grow up. I call them the Peter Pan, Neverland, Lost Boys. They're just over on the island refusing to, you know, peek through adolescence. And the problem is we have to take a stand somewhere, which thankfully, Gen Z is doing. I mean, we see with all the people at this event. I'm sure you see it everywhere you go.
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A
I do. You know, coming to turning points, you know, over the years. And it's been amazing because, you know, it's like the kids who were the turning point high school chapter leaders and members, you know, years ago, are now college graduates. And suddenly they're so active, they're so online. They totally get the issues, they totally understand what's happening. And it's just incredible to see. And it's this. It's this huge force that I really believe is going to take the country back. By the way, you know, Nietzsche referred to what you're speaking of as the last man. So he said that this will be the last man at the end of nihilism. People think that Nietzsche was a nihilist, but he wasn't. He was worried about nihilism, and he saw that nihilism was coming. And actually what kind of drove him mad was he saw the world without that. When Nietzsche wrote God is dead because it was God is dead because we've killed him. And, and so he saw that. And even though that he wasn't necessarily a believer, what he said was, the social impacts on this will destroy everything. And you're going to end up with these men who never grow up, who don't care about society, who don't care about legacy, who only care about themselves. Their physical appearances. They are constantly, you know, glossing themselves in the mirror and looking after themselves, the pretty ones. And that will be the last man. The men who never grow up or accept any responsibility for themselves. And this is what's so fascinating about Nietzsche is here's a guy who's, you know, not even a Christian, but who's writing about all of the social impacts. And he. He saw this coming 150 years ago.
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B
Yeah, he did. And that is. That's a Great point, because it's so true even today. I mean, this is what I truly believe to be our last chance at saving this country. Because if this generation, if Gen Z doesn't step up to the plate and take the fight to the left and take the fight to the people in charge, then we fall as America. We become something entirely different. And we've seen it time and time again how communism wrecks a country. So when you have candidates like Zoran Mamdani being received with open arms by young people, especially young liberal women, it breaks my heart to a degree. But the benefit, the plus side is there are people who are willing to fight. The Archdiocese of LA had a 34% uptick in new converts this past year, which was doubled from last year as from another 30% uptake. So we have people who are returning to Catholic and orthodox tradition, the deep theology for the benefit of tradition, for those values.
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A
Why do you, why would you say, you know, and I say this as a cradle Catholic, but I do see more and more converts to Catholicism, some Orthodoxy, but, but it's really Catholicism, the Latin Mass, you know, these things are. Seem really appealing to Gen Z. Why is that?
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B
Well, it's because we're seeking tradition in a broken world. The, the country and the entire globe has taken morality and made it subjective. And so in looking for truth, I look at Protestantism now as a Catholic. I mean, I was Protestant my whole life. Protestantism is like a dry, barren desert. The tenets of it that we have today have been around for less than three centuries. I look at Catholicism especially coming as a Protestant. It was like I was walking into a jungle with a Swiss army knife. The depth, the history, everything was there for the past 2000 years, unchanging, guided by the Holy Spirit, just like Christ promised his apostles. And so that is incredibly appealing because I realize that there's something real there. Christ said that the church would not fail, the gates of Hades would not prevail against it, which was not a defensive position. A lot of people hear, oh, Haiti's gonna push against, but no, the gates were meant to be stormed. It was an offensive position that Christ was dictating to his church. When he said, I will make you Matthew 16, he says, you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. He was telling the church to go on the offensive. And so a lot of my generation is realizing that. And that's the difference between maybe a lot of the cradle Catholics versus the Gen Z Converts is. The converts are fueled with fire.
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A
We're.
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B
We're adamant about pushing, you know, and.
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A
And I'll. I'll say as well, you know, for. For folks out there that. That as a Catholic, I've always. And I was just. I was just at the Vatican for Pope Leo's installation as pope. And, you know, it was, you know, we had the Vatican passes and all, but. But that doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to the issues in the church either. And that's why. So myself and others, My brother, brother, you know, we've. We've been some of the first to call out the abuses, to call out the problems, to call out the bad priest, the bad bishops, covering up for obviously sinful behavior, and to cover up what we call the. Or, excuse me, to expose what we call the infiltration of the Church. And guess What? Even the 12 were infiltrated. Right?
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B
They were.
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A
Satan was even. Even infiltrated. God, Judas on there. And so for folks to think that, you know, oh, well, we just blindly, you know, follow. No, far from it. Absolutely far from it. So as Catholics, it's incumbent on us to call out our. To clean up our own house and get our own house in order before we go around and say anything to anyone else.
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B
It's so true. That's why Judas was part of the 12. It's not like Jesus didn't know Judas would betray him. But God allowed Judas. Jesus allowed Judas to remain in the twelve apostles to show us that there would be problems within the Church, but that the doctrine of the teaching of the Church would remain unchanged.
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A
And Judas had free will.
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B
He did.
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A
People overlook this. There's that. There's that long. We could get into theological. Yeah. Well, did Judas, you know, was Judas really acting on God's plan because he, you know, God, Jesus needed to be crucified? No, Judas had free will.
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B
Yeah, we all have free will.
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A
We all have a choice. So you can choose to sin, you can choose to not. He made his choice, okay? He made his choice, and that's why he is where he is.
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B
Yeah, exactly. True. And so like you said, it's important to call out the problems within our own Church. Matthew 7, Judge not, lest you be judged. And then there's an entire guideline on how to judge properly. Right. Take the plank out of your own eye before you're helping your brother with the speck in his. But we're still called to help our brother with the speck in his eye. Yes, that's a call to action. A lot of people Read the first judge not. And they go, oh, there's the verse like, no, there is a call to action for us to help do better. And that starts within our own church.
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A
By the way, this was the position of Christians throughout almost all of history.
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B
Yes.
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A
And that's. And that's something where, you know, I. I just want to throw back to. To so many folks and, and, you know, we have. We have listeners who are, you know, Catholic and process and everything else. But. But I always just point out that this was always the position of Christians throughout so much of history. This idea of, oh, you're being judgy, you're being judgy. I said, nobody used to believe. Nobody believed that for thousands of years.
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B
Yeah, no, exactly. And so I love to tell people that, look, for all of Pope Francis, people had disagreements with him over everything. He reformed the church within the internal problems and did a great job of that. I share this statistic. The abuse cases within America in the Catholic Church was less than 200, if I'm not mistaken, for the year 2023. You know how many were in the public education system? Over 29,000, at least. Yeah, over 29,000.
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A
Funny how Hollywood isn't making movies about that. They're not weird.
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B
It is weird because the public school doesn't condemn it like the church. There are bad people in the church, but the church condemns it vehemently. That's so odd. Exactly.
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A
That's so peculiar. Why wouldn't Hollywood be making huge movies about all. Because I. I see it every. Every day I go to look at the news. There's some. Some teacher who's done something else, by the way. And by the way, I'm. I'm the first one. I condemn every single one. If there's. Every time there's any. Whatever. Any sin. Any sin or any demon who's got in there. Of course, Absolutely. But when we look at where the actual issue seems to be today, it seems to be much more in the schools.
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B
And that's why the young generation is turning Catholic. That's why we're pro America. We want America to be put first. We want to fix this country. We can't love our neighbor if we don't love ourselves first. And so what we need to do is we need to fix the internals of America so that we can better help everyone else. And I get that stance. I wholly do. But it has to start at home. And that's why so many young people, myself included, prioritize American interests first and foremost. That's why I wrote this book.
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A
Braden Sorbo. Tell people again where they can get the book, what it's called and what it's about.
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B
The book Embrace masculinity, lifting men up in a world that pushes them down. You can find me online on X, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all the places radensorbo. And you can get the book sorbostudios.com Congratulations, man. God bless.