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EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS: The THIRD Assassination Attempt on President Trump
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former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobec.
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Christ is King. Chaos at the White House Correspondence dinner. Moments after it began,
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Law enforcement stood storming the stage. An agent throwing his body in front of President Trump.
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It was just after 8:30pm just moments
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after the national anthem was played at the annual event.
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The night's performer, Oze the Mentalist, seen
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talking to President Trump and the first lady when agents in tactical gear swarmed
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in to secure the room.
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Captured on security camera, a man rushes
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past the metal detectors in Secret Service set up in the Washington Hilton Hotel
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as he tried to get inside of
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the ballroom with a White House correspondent's dinner was underway. Gunshots rang out, setting off a scramble inside of the room. The New York Times reports The suspected shooter's 1,000 word manifesto says Trump administration figures were his targets, prioritized from the highest ranking to the lowest, a clear reference to the president himself. According to the Times, the suspect said he could no longer allow a traitor to coat my hands with his crimes.
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That authorities have identified this man as Cole Thomas Allen, 31 years old from California. The D.C. police chief said the suspect appeared to be a lone actor, was believed to be staying at the Washington Hilton where this dinner was happening.
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The guy is a sick guy when you read his manifesto. He hates Christians. That one thing for sure. He hates Christians. A hatred. And I think his sister or his brother actually was complaining about it. You know, they were even complaining to law enforcement. So he was, he was a very troubled guy.
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What is your reaction to being the target of so much violence and hearing these new details just as they're breaking?
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Well, I heard about the London situation and I wish they would have told us about it a little bit, but it is what it is. You know, we had a great group of people there last night. We had both inside in terms of the people, the audience and also because they were all, you know, they were, they were strong, relatively speaking, compared to what the potential threat was. And the Secret Service and all law enforcement was. I thought they were outstanding.
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Well, I think you heard it directly from the president on Saturday night, Ayesha, that in his words, we need to recommit ourselves as a country to toning down the rhetoric and to unifying around what makes our country great. That's true of everyone who works in this White House, but as I said, it's also true of everyone who has a voice and a platform across this country. Whether you're on television, a podcast host, you know, people listen. And when you have mentally disturbed individuals across the country who are listening to this crazed rhetoric about the president day after day after day, it inspires them to do crazy things. And unfortunately, it's not just the media. It is the entire Democrat Party has made their pitch to voters across the country that Donald Trump poses an existential threat to democracy, that he is a fascist, and that they compare him to Hitler. I mean, these are despicable statements that the American people have been consuming for years. And so many mentally perturbed individuals are led to believe these words are truth and then are inspired to act on it. I have a whole host of examples that we can share with you after. It is pages and pages of major Democrat Party elected officials saying, such as Rep. Hakeem Jeffries just this April, this month said, we are in an era of maximum warfare everywhere, all the time. Governor Josh Shapiro said heads need to roll within the administration. Senator Alex Padilla said people are, quote, dying because of fear and terror caused by the Trump administration. Senator Elizabeth Warren, President Trump is making the country look like a, quote, fascist state. Senator Adam Schiff saying President Trump using a dictator playbook. Senator Ed Markey calling President Trump a dictator, saying that this administration's actions are authoritarianism on steroids. Governor J.B. pritzker, never before in my life have I called for mass protest disruptions. These Republicans cannot know a moment of peace. You have Rep. Pressley saying, we'll see you in the streets. Monica McIver, a Democrat representative on Capitol Hill, we will not take this shit from Donald Trump. He thinks he's a dictator. We are at war. These are Democrat elected officials calling for war against the president of the United States and his supporters. I could go on and on, but again, when you have people in positions of power that are saying things like this every single day for years, you are inspiring violence by people who are already mentally ill. And that's what we've seen against this president for far too long.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live in Washington, D.C. real America's Voice. Today is April 27, 2026. Anno Domini. Looks gonna be blunt. The radical left will not stop until they are dealt with. It is as simple as this. And yes, we should tone down the rhetoric. There's no question, especially in the wake of a third assassination attempt on President Trump as well as the successful, from their perspective, assassination of Charlie Kirk. Security around the president is not good enough. We have three aircraft carriers in the Middle east right now. We're a country that's engaged in open military conflict. Where is the sense of urgency? I had friends at that event in addition to our government's leadership and our military leadership. Where is the safety? Where is the security? People are going to die if we don't take this seriously. The Bolsheviks are at the gate. Are we paying attention? Jack Posobie. Right back. Human Events Daily, Eyewitness. Coming up, next
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thing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun.
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This is Human Events.
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With Jack sober now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right, folks, Jack Posobic. We are back live Human Events Daily. Real America's Voice. And our next guest, first time on Human Events, but someone that the audience I believe will be quite familiar with. It is former Trump adviser Sam Nunberg joins us. Sam, how are you?
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Thank you for having me, Jack.
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Well, it's good to finally have you on, man. And for folks who don't know this, that you were an adviser in Trump's 2016 campaign, but also, incredibly and unbeknownst to yourself, you were an eyewitness to the White House correspondent's dinner shooter. Tell us what happened. Tell us what happened on Saturday night.
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Sure.
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Well, Jack, as you've been to the event as well, the Hilton ballroom, you go through a metal detector and let's just say there's 200 yards to an escalator where you're taken to the basement where the ballroom is. If you go up that escalator to another 200 yards, to your left are the two bathrooms. I was being hosted by the Washington Times. Our table was right by the door, and I had to use the facilities, as we like to say. So I went up the escalator and I saw Wolf Blitzer leaving the men's bathroom. I made a left, and around that center. Mark, we spoke for over 30 seconds under a minute, and I'm at the door, and I hear a pop. And it sounded. It didn't sound like. It didn't sound like a full shot, like the, you know, a gunshot. You know, I live in New York. I grew up in New York. It didn't sound like a gunshot, but it also didn't sound as if there was a silencer. It's almost as if I thought some protester got through with, like, a clicker or something, was trying to cause a skirmish. And I look back, I see Wolf Blitzer on the floor, and then I see a gentleman fall, and I hear shots. Now, this is all within three to four seconds, but as you would know, when something like this happens, everything slows down. And I then see Secret Service or FBI running up to the gentleman on the floor. Wolf on the floor. And I go into the men's bathroom, and I just tell everyone there was around five or six people there. I said, there were just shots fired. Everybody go back. We were in the bathroom. They then had the hotel security men and women come into the bathroom. Wolf Blitzer was there. And I said to Wolf, wolf, was he attacking you? Wolf just said, no, no, no, no, he wasn't. They then bring me in his shoe. We all wait. Around 15 minutes or so, two agents come in, I assume Secret Service, and they tell us, they count how many of us are in there. And then they tell us, everybody leave, get out of the hotel, just leave. And I then immediately left the hotel and walked back to my hotel room. Of course, many people, friends and colleagues, thought that the event may restart. And having worked for President Trump for five years, I knew that, of course, he wanted to go back, but that our first lady would, of course, stop him from doing so. And that was it. And then. And then you learn more and more details as it happened. So that's. That's. That's the description I have.
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So, Sam, you say that you saw him on the ground. Were you able to tell? And I know he asked us on the phone, but say it again. Were you able to tell? Did he have that. We're told he had this shotgun. Do you. Were you able to see if he had the shotgun in his hand or a handgun? Were you able to see what was in his hands?
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I wasn't able to see. I saw some. I think it was a shotgun because there was something longer in his hands. But once again, I. You know, when something like that happens, as we were talking about, you know, I just immediately then turn my back and go into the other room. Because you don't want the authorities to think you're somehow involved or you're looking. Right. So you don't want them to lose their line of sight or concentration. So I just immediately went in, but I did not see him run through. I want to be clear. I did not see him run through the metal detectors. And that initial clicking I heard, it must have been when he shot the Secret Service agent.
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So because this is the way it's set up, right? You're. You're basically around the next corner going down the hallway to where the bathroom is. But that's sort of. It's sort of right next to where the top of the escalator was.
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Right? It's top of the escalator, and it's around 50 to 75. Let's call it feet. I wouldn't say yards. I mean, or, you know, maybe 25 to 30 yards away from the metal detectors, where. Where he ran through and where he ran through when he was.
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When he was taken down. And. And as you say, he was tackled and taken down. How close was he to the escalator?
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He was halfway. He was within the line of the escalator. So if you go up the escalator, you make a left, right? And then you have, like, 200. Let's call it yards. I'll just say yards. It isn't yards. 200ft. And he was within. He was perpendicular to the escalator.
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So he was close. He was close to the escalator.
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Yeah, he was close to the escalator. And the metal detectors are close to the escalator. I mean, look, I've been to that event four times in total. And, you know, in certain times. First of all, it's very strange, Jack, as we talked about, because when you walk into the Washington Hilton, that's right where President Reagan shot.
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Right.
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So immediately. I immediately always think about that.
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It's a weird energy.
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It is a weird energy. And then in the event itself, something that was a little. I even thought. I was like, wow. I don't. I didn't think it was a security. I wouldn't use the word security risk. But the Vice President is introduced. I see the Secretary of War, I see the Secretary of Treasury, I see the Secretary of Homeland Security, Acting Attorney General, and Director Patel is like two tables up from me. And, you know, when I used to go to this event before, whether it was 2017 to 2020 even, I would still say that that was a hybrid analog digital age in terms of 3D print, in terms of drones. Whatever else, I mean, that's just not the venue anymore for an event like this. President Trump is absolutely right. You can't have an event like this in a public institution. It's gotta be in something like the ballroom.
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Yeah, look, and people were getting on me for talking about the ballroom and other people. But it's just a practical consideration. It's about everyone's safety. It's about keeping people safe. I think that when the ballroom is set up, these things are going to go on and it's going to be routine and nobody is even going to make to bat an eye when other presidents start to use it for the exact same function. Because certain things, I'm sorry, they're just common sense. They're just absolute common sense. I want to backtrack a little bit because. And guys, if you could throw that map up of what we were talking about, is that. So people have to understand that you go down to where the actual event hall was here. So there's the first level you enter, then you go down one level. Then you're at the magnetometers and the escalators. So it's actually, that's a level above where the actual event was taking place. So that event is taking place below. So you have to go down the escalators to get to that final level. And then there are layers of security which ratchet up as you make your way closer and closer to where the actual event is. The problem is that myself and some others have said is that the security parameters really don't start. Those layers didn't start until you were actually in the hotel. And to the point we're learning now that this guy was a guest at the hotel. So, Sam, walk us through a little. Just when you showed up, what was the security like?
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Well, first of all, first of all, we had to walk. There were so many protesters around the city. I didn't think that they were. They didn't look total antifa to me. But these weren't exact. But they also. They weren't your friendly left protesters either. And I had to get out of my car around five blocks or so and walk up to the Washington, to the Hilton. And you heard people screaming about Iran, about, about that he's a, that the President's a pedophile, Epstein's best friend. And you then get, you then get to the hotel and they make you just flash your, your invite. And yes, the invite is unique. There, there is some, you know, but it can easily be copied. And, and then you get into the lobby of the hotel right at the entrance where President Reagan was shot. And, you know, it's a regular hotel. You know, there's a couple different bar restaurants, but the escalator down is, is, is, is right. You know, it's very, very close. It's still kind of tight quarters, because also, remember, this is D.C. there's just not a lot of space for everything. Right. And that. And, and you go down the first escalator where the red carpet is. And so it was, it was a pretty tight situation. You know, it's ironic to me. I'll bring up one other point. I worked for President Trump in 2010, and he told me how he had spoken to David Axelrod, who he knew through the Scarborough show, and he said to Axelrod, when Obama was elected, he said, you gotta let me build a ballroom. And he said, because you. And now, from his point of view, it wasn't security at that point, but he said, you know, you're hosting world leaders, you're having these state dinners, and you guys are sitting under tents. And Axelrod, you know, told this to the press and laughed at President Trump. And just like this assassination attempt where they didn't get him, once again, he's going to be proven right. And that ballroom and that ballroom will be there. I'm not going to criticize myself, the Secret Service. I just think that this event itself, it just cannot be held here. It cannot be held at that hotel anymore. Once again, as I said, I mean, here it's practical. It seems to me that there are reports that the gunman somehow slipped through on stairs and there was a doorway that he got through. But you can't have, you know, 200 plus guests in here, and you can't have. You can't have, you know, the entire cabinet there.
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Well, and Sam, you know, it's. No, and I certainly agree with you, it should have been a tier one event. And that was the front cover of the Washington Post this morning, where even the Washington Post is saying, why was this not declared a tier one national security event? And when you look at the Washington Hilton, and I don't know that anyone's actually put it this way yet, but we do need to say this. There have now been two attempted presidential assassinations at the same hotel. How could you, how could you go back to. I'm sorry, I'm just. How could you step foot in that place again? I don't get it.
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And, you know, there may be another assassination then? Because I think it's absolutely abhorrent that Norah O' Donnell sat there across from President Trump the day after this, and she starts reading a manifesto. And what other world would the media read a manifesto to the, to the attempted victim? What in the world would they do this only to President Trump? No, only to another Republican either.
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SAM We've got a quick break coming up. Hold that thought because I want to get into that in the very next segment. Let's talk about some of the response of this and around it, JACK Posobic, eyewitness SAM nunberg, former Trump Advisor, Human
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Events Daily they talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. JACK so big. Where's Jack? JACK he's got a great job.
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All right, folks. JACK we're back live here. Human Events Daily. And I do want to get in, so I believe the charges have now been ready. And so let's, let's, yeah, we got the list of charts here. I want to read this real quick. Attempted assassination of the president, United States, maximum penalty, life in prison, transportation of a firearm, slash ammunition across state lines. Maximum penalty 10 years Discharge of a firearm during a crime of violence, which interesting, minimum 10 years, must run consecutive. Other sentences. Suspect remains in custody. Detention hearing set for Thursday, April 30. This is before the magistrate judge. So interesting. They are charging him with discharge of a firearm because, Sam, I was actually just going to ask you that question is, you know, do you think you heard a shotgun go off? Now we're hearing that, you know, he's being charged with discharge of a firearm. Was that was that something that you were able to hear or tell from your vantage point?
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I've been to the gun range, but I definitely heard a large pop. But I would assume that it was maybe because of the way he built this thing or he put something around it, but I would assume that it was him discharging a shot because I heard one shot and then I heard multiple shots fired afterwards. So I definitely think he discharged his firearm.
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That's right. And there's a C span clip that has it as well, that has the audio. And it does sound like that first, you know, that pop that crack and then, you know, then a pause and then pop, pop, pop, pop, pop immediately after that. So that may have been the discharge of the firearm that we are that we're seeing him charge with. And of course, the investigation continues on from here. And we're going to get more information and certainly hope we do get more information from this and from the manifesto. But we're going to when you mentioned the manifesto And I'll just say for myself, reading it, what struck me as so interesting was that it didn't seem any, you know, any example of being deranged. It didn't seem like he was schizophrenic. There were no ramblings in this at all. It was just simple, straightforward content that you would see from MSNBC or Blue Sky. And he said, because of these things, I have now decided to take it upon my hands to take out the President. And then, Sam, to your point, the manifesto gets read to the attempted victim to his face the next day. I've never seen anything like this.
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I mean, if you notice, you and I are not mentioning his name. You and I are not, you know, going to talk about what, you know, read the specifics of the, of the manifesto, let's say. And, but to do that on CBS 60 Minutes as well, that's, that's the legacy, largest news news magazine program in the United States. And everyone or anyone. That interview probably had 20 plus million viewers on linear, dying TV. So the fact that she, she would read that to him, it's, you know, they, and, you know, she's probably so stupid that she didn't even understand what she was doing. You know, you can't blame her from that point of view, but somebody should have told her, look there, that you can't read it. And, you know, I notice people like Dana White, me, others, you know, we're pretty calm and cool when something like this happens. It's, it's the left and corporate media, those are the ones that are there to quote, unquote, so traumatized, they're sitting downstairs in the ballroom where this event, you know, or something like this government had no way of getting in because, because of where he tried to enter. And they're the ones that promote this. I would say we have not had any violence from anybody connected or giving our talking points since maybe 2018. There was one bomber or something that he sent things off before the midterms. But you had somebody like Steve Scalise at that event, Jack, he's already been a victim, he's already been killed. And of course, President Trump. And it's just not going to stop. And when they. I saw Jamie Raskin interviewed by Dana Bash yesterday, and Dana Bash was commenting saying what a nice message the President gave, the correct message after this. And Raskin just looks, you know, sarcastically and says, well, that's not the way he normally talks. I never noticed. We could talk about Jeffrey Epstein. We could talk about whether we think it Was handled. Well, I mean, I remember when you were in the White House and Bondi gives you a bunch of documents that had already been released. That. But let's, but let's remember the fact of the matter is that you have a leftist, and I have these people, these protesters screaming at me that Donald Trump's a pedophile and a rapist. And Donald Trump is the one who prosecuted Jeffrey Epstein. George W. Bush is the one who gave him a sweetheart deal. Barack Obama didn't do anything. And I would note that after Epstein, I believe, killed himself in that prison, from 2021 till 2025, you had the most porous, unsecured border where children are being trafficked. We're being trafficked across there. And that border is closed now. Is closed. So there is nobody that has protected children more in the modern age than President Trump and is trying to stop this. I mean, you hear Dan Bongino, what Cash and him are doing and trying to do, going after these rings. My question always is when I hear what Dan Bongino is doing is why wasn't this done before? Why was this done before? You know, they simply, they will never let this man live a normal life. They will never, they can never get over that he was elected president because just like you and I when we were talking about this early on in the campaign, he was essentially a third party candidate taking over both. Both parties. Both parties. So he's a threat to both.
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And Sam, it's real simple because you'll see the Democrats, they'll say, oh, you know, you bring up political violence and you bring up the rhetoric and you talk SPLC and you talk the way they target people and they put a target on the back of Charlie Kirk. And right before he was killed, just a couple of months before, at the beginning of the summer of 2025. And yet they never seem willing to police their own side when it comes to this. But if you make one off color joke on the right, they immediately. And it used to be before Elon, they would censor you immediately.
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Exactly, exactly. And, and you know, they're basically a lot of, A lot of their side is crazy to begin with. So their type of rhetoric, you're going to have more and more of this, frankly. And they're not mentally. Well, a lot of them, whether it's the trans community or somebody like this person. And it's just, they really need to cool down the temperature. They need to get over it. Okay, Donald Trump is here to stay. You know, he's a historical figure and he's going to leave a lasting legacy, a better one.
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And he certainly will. Sam, we're just about out of time. Thanks for coming on, brother. Come on. Again, where can people go to follow youmbergsam on Twitter?
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But thank you very much for having me. Jack, congratulations on everything.
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Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that, Sam. Sam's a big Human Events follower and listener, folks. Just so everybody knows, he's been out there from the start and he's a good guy. Give him a follow right back with more here on Human Events.
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And Jack. Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who've been getting publishers.
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All right, Jack, we're back live here. Human Events Daily. Real America's Voice. Fluoride, folks, for years, the government has been medicating your water with it for. Oh, and we know this isn't just because you. You didn't ask for it, you didn't vote for it, because they decided you need it. Well, it's not a decision that I want something else making for my family, which is why I filter every drop of water in home my with COVID pure. Over 209 million Americans are on fluoride water right now. And here's what the science actually shows. In September 2024, a federal judge ruled that adding fluoride to water poses, and I'm quoting the court directly, an unreasonable risk to neurological health. Not a fringe study. A federal court ordering EPA to act. Then, in January 2025, a study published by JAMA Pediatrics, one of the most respected medical journals in the world, confirmed a link between fluoride exposure and children's IQ scores. Higher the exposure, the lower the iq. Shirsham States are moving on this. Utah and Florida have banned it, but that process takes years. Your kids, your family, they're drinking this water today. You need something that works now. And that's exactly what Cove pure is. It's Clearwave Reverse Osmosis technology is certified to remove up to 99.9% of contaminants. Fluoride, PFAS, lead, pharmaceuticals, heavy metals. Anything that isn't water gets fluid filtered out. So don't wait for the government to catch up. Go get yourself a Cove Pure. We love ours, me and Ty and Tay. We drink it every single day. We call the kit. We tell the kids it's super water. That's we tell the kids that it's your super water. So go to covpure.com posto you get $250 off. That's C-O-V-E-P-U-R-E.com poso All right, folks, we have another individual, a member of the administration who was there at the event. Lena Haba, senior advisor, the attorney general, joins us now. Lina, how are you?
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I'm good, Jack. Thanks for having me.
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Well, and thank you for coming on and I appreciate you doing so there from the White House, where obviously things are tense today. Walk us through what happened from your perspective that evening.
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Sure. The night started out normal, obviously, and it's pretty much your nightmare for anybody that's there for a purpose, which was to support each other and see the president speak for the first time as president at the White House Correspondent's Dinner. And I was sitting and all of a sudden I just heard gunshots. And I wasn't really I thought I heard it. And then I looked around and realized people started hitting the floor and they were screaming shots fired. Get down. Get down. So I, you know, in my gown, got on the floor like everybody else and took cover. It was, it was frightening, honestly. And I saw Secret Service run in. I saw them with their guns up. So I knew something was wrong. I saw the president get rushed off. And I think my biggest concern was making sure he didn't get hit at that moment and to get out of there safely for my children and my family.
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Oh, and so many there with family members, wives, Katie Miller, who's pregnant, and some Steven and Caroline Levitt, who's pregnant, her husband there. It's just so and other, by the way, other members of the admin, there's a, there's a whole pregnancy thing going on in the admin right now. And the idea that something like this would happen, and I hate to say it, Alina, now, as terrible as it was and as awful as it was, were you really surprised that there was yet another assassination attempt on this president?
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I wish I could say I was. I think it's a real result of the rhetoric. The you heard Caroline Levitt, I'm sure, at her press conference. I think she stated it perfectly. This is political violence. It has to stop. There's not a question. It's not a debatable fact. It's a fact. We saw his manifesto. The fact that he wanted to take down Trump officials, the fact that a lot of his sentiments echo those statements that you see on social media that you see on networks that are so frankly creating radicalization, in my opinion. And we're seeing it time and time again. I mean, the man has publicly had three assassination attempts, and that's not even, you know, disclosing, I'm sure the private things that we don't know about that I'm sure is going on, and it's just not right. You know, I've sat through Democratic presidents like you have. We weren't doing this. We weren't having assassination attempts on their life because of rhetoric and a psychiatric problem, frankly, that when we say tds, it's almost too light to. To say it that way. It's not Trump derangement syndrome. It's much deeper than that. And it's a hatred that not just goes to President Trump, but anybody in his Cabinet, anybody who's working for him and his said top officials of the administration, and frankly, even normal people that don't deserve it, that just are conservative, that agree with his policies, that agree with the country, that agree with how well he's doing for our country right now. And we've become very polarized, and this is a result of that.
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And I understand that you were actually with Erica Kirk earlier in the evening.
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Yes. Yeah. It was a pleasure to see her. And I'm sad that she was there, because I can't imagine, you know, obviously Charlie was a friend of ours, and I cannot imagine. And I obviously saw how upset she was, and rightfully so, the trauma of having to go through that and endure that so soon after your husband's passing and tragic assassination and to actually have to live that was. I pray for her. I prayed for her anyway, but I prayed for her, particularly after that event. She's such kind soul, and it was. It was sad. But I'm glad I got a good hug in before, unfortunately, the events unfolded.
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No, I'm glad you were able to do so. I. You know, having gone through that experience after Charlie and then seeing something like this, it's no, nobody should have to do this. Nobody deserves this. Erica doesn't deserve this. Nobody does. To think that something like this could happen just seven months after, and then here we are again with more shots fired, more shots being, you know, ringing out, steps away from where people are dressed up to be polite, to be peaceful. Something has gone completely wrong in our country. And by the way, if this were on the right, I'd want it cleaned up. If this were on the left, which it is, I want it cleaned up as well. Is that so much to ask as a basic American citizen.
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No, I don't think so. I think you're 100% right. But I think we also have to look at being accountable to those voices that are so anti Trump, that are so anti this administration, that are literally spewing lies to get brownie points in the political world or to get somebody elected, that are so sick, that are creating this mentality of people that maybe aren't so educated on the ins and outs, or maybe they are, but they're just echoing what they hear, their echo chambers, and it's creating a radicalization that is unacceptable. We should not be experiencing this. I have known the president for many, many years now, obviously. And the radicalization that I've seen, just in the time that I've known him, it's only gotten worse, exponentially worse. And now we're sitting, I'm sitting on the floor hearing gunshots at an event that they're targeting not just him, but also officials. It's disturbing. It's beyond disturbing. It's un American. And I really do hope this country can just bring it back to center where people are allowed to have differences, where people can respect those differences, and you can have debate. Charlie was big on that. It's okay to have debate, to talk, to disagree. But this reaction, this. This sickness that we're seeing, it's just wrong. Weapon, weaponization and, and pulling out guns and bullets, it's not okay. It's not the way to handle disagreements, and it's most certainly not going to help anything.
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I've actually said in the past that I think it starts with censorship, that it starts with this idea of you're not allowed to say that and your words are violence, which we saw on college campuses, we saw on Big Tech, and it's this idea that we have to shut down the speech that we don't like. Well, if you can't get it off campus and you can't get it off social media, what's the final step that people would take? And that seems to be the way these people are thinking.
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That's right. And, you know, also you see people complain that, you know, oh, First Amendment violations, all these things. That's not. You can't lie. You have a responsibility. When you hold a mic like I am, when you hold a mic like you do, when you have a voice, no matter how big or how small, you have a responsibility, you should be educating more than inflaming. And I think that realistically, what we're seeing from the left is just straight inflammation of, of, of this country and polarization that I've never seen before. And it's very scary time for us.
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No, it absolutely is. And look, you and I could sit here and go through the list of incendiary comments that have been made by Democrats officials, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jamie Raskin and so many others. We could go through late night hosts and on air hosts, which they don't actually seem to be any difference or any, any daylight between the rhetoric that you see beyond here and they've created this ecosystem. And it all needs to stop. It all absolutely needs to stop. We, where they sit there and they say, well, this needs to happen or this needs to happen or this needs to happen. Then we find out, and this is incredible indictment over the SPLC where they were paying for our extremist groups to go out and say these terrible things. And then the left could point to them and say, and then use that to be tied to Trump and MAGA and just sort of your average conservative organization like Turning Point USA and saying, oh, see, they're all the same and they all need to be stopped. And then you know what? Somebody eventually gets the message and they pick up a gun and decide to take matters into their own hands. We've got a quick break. I'd love to be able to hold you on because this is such an important conversation. One more segment if you can stay with us. I really appreciate it. Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. Call this the Jack Posobic Appreciation Hour. I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack the Soviet.
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And that is.
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All right, Jack. We're back live. We're here. Human Events Daily, Real America's voice, Washington, D.C. we're on with senior adviser to the attorney General Alina Haba. She's very graciously agreed to come back to a second segment with us after some meetings that she was having at the White House. This is of course, after the president press briefing that we saw with Caroline Levitt. Elaine, actually if I could just ask you what you know, obviously this, we know you can't get into the off the record details, but what's the mood at the White House today?
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C
You know, I have to tell you, resilience as always, you know, there's a real call for transparency and accountability. I think that we have to acknowledge some, that certain statements cannot be made and should not be made. And everybody's on the same page. Look, we are under the great leadership of President Trump. And the man is fearless. He is in love with this country. And it shows in moments like these moments, unfortunately, that should never happen, like Saturday. And his reaction, it kind of leads the way for everybody that works under him. And you see that, you know, Caroline, she wasn't supposed to be here today and she showed up and it was important for her to do that. And as she said, we're public servants and we're under the great leadership of President Trump and he sets an example for us all.
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That's exactly right. You know, I'm looking more. And we've been digging in here at human events and, you know, up all weekend as well into the background of this shooter. And it's something that, you know, I think might seem surprising to a lot of people because we see an individual here who high achievement in high school and college academics, elite level academics, high SAT scores, and we're also seeing that he was a teacher. What is going on that we have teachers now being so radicalized? And of course, we've talked about indoctrination on campus. My gosh, that's what Charlie Kirk built his entire career with, was talking about indoctrination on campus. How has it gotten so bad that even teachers are doing something like this?
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C
Well, I think it's an important point. I don't think that there's anybody that's not able to be permeated by the messages that are being received and indoctrinated. And even this individual, I mean, it is scary to me that he was a teacher. But to be honest, when I was the U.S. attorney, I saw things that I never thought I would see that are incredibly disturbing. When you see what's actually happening in some of our school systems, in some of just our communities. And it doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter what your background is or your education, radicalization is a real thing. And I think that you have to call that, this is what that was. The manifesto speaks to that, you know, and it doesn't matter who you are. It's scary that it's a teacher, but it's not surprising to me because some of these people, if they're vulnerable enough to, to listen to some of the rhetoric and be consuming it in an unhealthy manner, things like this will happen. And I think it's an important message, can't assume that it's just mentally disturbed individuals that would take a gun and try and shoot a president or administration leaders. I think it's crazy. But I also think it's important that we recognize that exact point. This was not some bum. This was not some random person. He had a job, you know, he. And it still happened, and he still did this, and he was still willing to ruin his own life for the sake of killing leadership and the President of the United States.
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No, it shows that this is pervasive. It shows. And yes, we've got some photos up that seems that he was from a loving family, a tight family, so that some of the normal excuses, I think, fall away. And what we really do have to hone in on. And Barack Obama, of course, came out and told us that we have no idea what the motive is. And Barack Obama said, we still don't know, even though there's a manifesto. And it's very clear this is left wing, violent ideology. It has become radicalized the same way like when I was at Gitmo and we would have the radical Islamic terrorists, that they would state that radical Islam was their ideology. That was their motivating factor. And so, Alina, from that perspective, why is it that we keep hearing over and over that the media won't come out and just tell us that this was the motive?
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C
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why Jimmy Kimmel still has a job after what he did, to be honest. I mean, that was another despicable event. But how dare he? What he said was just disgusting. I mean, beyond the pale of things that I'm frankly, unfortunately, getting used to hearing, have heard it for years. But there, there are no boundaries anymore with this left wing rhetoric. There's no boundaries and you have to stop. The president is calling for it. The press secretary called for it, and I'm calling for it, for what it's worth. You know, it's unhealthy. It was already bad when we were dealing with the weaponization of the justice system. For the last, frankly, it's been years before my time. But you're seeing people win elections on getting Trump. Right. That's how I started. That's how I became known to this world. And it's disgusting that somebody could do that and win an election. That's what's come down to not policies, not campaign strategies, which President Trump has stuck to everything he promised. He has been trying to do and has done and has succeeded, succeeded and beyond. And he's putting America first, as he promised, and making America great again, as he promised. We have a sick, sick world right now, and it is being poisoned by that left wing radical rhetoric. And it has to stop. And by the way, people like Jimmy should be held accountable.
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Look, I remember Jimmy. When Charlie was killed, Jimmy Kimmel was the first one who went on TV and lied, just absolutely lied again about the motivations of that assassin. In that case where he said he blamed it on maga, he blamed it on people who have been peaceful towards political opponents. He said it was not his side's problem. He's got a huge blind spot. But actually, and I'm just gonna say it, I think he does these things on purpose. I think he does these things on purpose because he wants his side to believe that it's always the other side's fault.
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C
Of course they do. It's all intentional. I mean, it's intentional. And the networks that host them and pay them need to be aware that, you know, that it's unacceptable and hold them accountable. You know, it's no different than anybody in a job. You cannot allow it. You cannot allow him to say the things he said about the first lady and the President. You cannot allow it. You are setting a horrible example. That is not just an example, but it is creating a real life problem as we've seen time and time again. And I hope in my, in my lifetime that that is the last time I hear or see anything like this again for any President.
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Well, you know, you mentioned the networks and if I remember correctly, I think I saw some, some news that you yourself might be going on ABC in short order here. Did I see something across my, across the news desk here that you're going to be on the View?
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C
I am. I am. I'm going to be on the View on Wednesday. Yep.
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A
So something tells me that this might come up.
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C
I mean, I hope so. I hope so. Look, I hope to engage in some, some conversations that I think need to be had. And look, the View, they, that they've spoken about me before, they, they like to, to say whatever they think their talkers are. But that's a perfect example again, ABC host Jimmy Kimmel of, of them needing to be accountable for the words that they use and, and being careful of the damage that it's causing. And I look forward to joining them and, and we'll see how it goes. I'll be there on Wednesday.
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I'm certainly, I look, you know, I certainly hope that it's a good discussion. You know, you'd think in the wake of something like this that maybe we could all find some common ground and agree that, hey, if we're doing media or serving government like yourself as a public official, that we could all agree on certain ground rules. Even if we disagree on policy, we should never make it personal. I don't know. How do you think it's going to go?
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100%? 100%? I hope so. You know, it's up to them. Obviously I'm not one to take things down lightly but I will say that I my hope is to come in and have an actual discussion that's informative, not inflammatory and I think their responsibility and mine as a guest is to try and keep the temperature down and to educate the country that different views are okay and respect them. And I know I'll do my part to hold that up but you know, we'll see how it goes.
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Well, I appreciate you taking the time with us. Alina Haba, thank you again for joining us here on Human Events today.
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C
Thank you. Thank you, thank you.
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God bless and of course glad that you and everyone else were safe. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.
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