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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec
FBI Raids Somali Fraud Centers, Sen Hawley Demands Answers on Assassinations, Manifesto
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former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic. Christ is king. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live on Real America's voice. Today's April 28th Anno Dominic. Dominique. And we are here 2026. I know Dominique. And we are here joined today by Senator Josh Hawley. Senator, how are you?
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I'm doing great. Thank you for having me, Jack.
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Well, I've just reviewed In Human Events has this open letter that you've put out earlier today regarding the White House correspondence dinner. Your call for an investigation into what went on here. Tell us your thoughts regarding this situation.
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Well, I think we need to know exactly what happened, what the security protocols were, what was followed, what wasn't. And we also need to know, in light of what happened in Butler, what happened in the fall of 2024. This is the third attempted assassination on the life of the president in the last two years. I mean, that's a pretty extraordinary number. And I can tell you, Jack, having talked to Secret Service whistleblowers for years now who have come forward to me and talked about what happened in that agency in the Biden years, what happened with the second assassination attempt on Trump, the sort of reforms that needed to be made. I think that the American public deserves a full accounting of what is going on at our security agencies. Have the changes been implemented? That should have been after Butler and after the second attempt on Trump's life. And what's going on now internally? I think we need to know. I think the American people deserve full and total transparency. I'm not sure, frankly, they've ever gotten it on Butler. I think we need to get it here.
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Well, I certainly agree with you. I actually wrote the first book on the Butler assassination attempt, the Bulletproof this. And. And then of course, we got into the second attempt as the book was almost published. We had to sort of actually call halt the presses, which I found out costs a lot of money because you actually have to reprint covers. And. But. But, you know, we were happy to do it, and our publisher was able to do so because, unfortunately, the violence has gotten so strong. But I remember one of the big key takeaways there. Lack of communication, lack of coordination, lack of planning. And you had a. An agent that was put in charge who had only graduated a few years before from fletc, which is the Federal Law Enforcement Training center down in. In Brunswick, Georgia. Someone who just simply wasn't ready to maintain the task of a president, or in this case, you know, a, you know, former president who has a higher degree of threat than any president we've seen in recent history.
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Yeah. I still remember when a Secret Service whistleblower came to me and told me that in the days following Butler. And at first I was like, this just can't be right. I mean, surely that person would never be put in charge. Surely they would have fully staffed what was, of course, a butler. An outdoor rally. It was very complicated to secure. Surely they were sending the A team. And the answer was no. I remember talking to local law enforcement. I went myself to Butler. I talked personally with local law enforcement, who told me they did not get any coordination from the Secret Service at the time. Obviously, this is the Biden Secret Service. They were not looped in. I was on the roof myself of that building. I talked to the local agents who were supposed to be there and staffing it. They were told that they were supposed to stand down. My point is this. There were all kinds of shortcomings. We saw it, obviously in real time. It was just a miracle of God that the President lived. I think we need to know, have those shortcomings been addressed? Is the Secret Service getting the resources it needs? Has it had the reforms made that were needed? And the other thing is interagency cooperation. And we saw Butler. There was terrible coordination between the Secret Service and other agencies. I was told in the aftermath of that, that the Secret Service was having to rely on agents from Homeland Security who were probably very good agents, but not trained at all to do personnel security. I think we need to know, in light of the events over the weekend, is that still happening? In other words, is Secret Service getting the agents they need? Are they getting the cooperation they need? What is going on? And are we really keeping the president and the cabinet secure? Sure didn't look like it on Saturday night.
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Senator, I have to ask, you know, just Something that struck me from having visited as well. You said you were on that roof, that you know it. One thing that struck me going to Butler the first time was, and I wasn't at the original rally, but it's not a big area. It looks larger on some of the photos, the way it's set up. It's not a large area. That roof being unsecured. I mean, this was essentially the closest roof with a direct line of sight to the stage. And if someone were to attempt to try something, you would think that that would be the most high visibility risked site in the entire area. And the fact that they dropped coverage, they didn't have full coverage on it, it's inexplicable to me, it's still inexplicable.
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And all of these months later, two years later, it's still inexplicable. I don't think we've ever really gotten straight answers on this, to be honest with you. And I had the same reaction when I was there. It is very easy to get onto that roof, by the way, as you remember. And I remember thinking when I was there, I was like, surely this isn't the play. I mean, surely this isn't the one. Because, you know, you can literally just, just hoist yourself up. It's a pull up just to get too close. It's right there, right there. And you know, and everybody's like, no, this is it. This is the one. I'm like, how in the world was this not secure? And to your point, Jack, I mean, clear line of sight to the stage, not that far away at all. And then here we go. A couple nights later, a couple nights go from now, we have a shooter get through security, get to the steps of the ballroom, you know, shoot a cop, shoot an agent. This looks like a pattern here. And I want to be sure that we are getting all of the facts. I want to be sure that our good agents in uniform are getting all the resources that they need, that the protocols in place to give them success are there. And that most importantly, we're keeping the president, we're keeping the cabinet, we're keeping ordinary people safe. I mean, let's not forget that the people who were killed in Butler were good, honest, everyday American citizens. We just can't have it in this country be a fact that if you go to a political event, your life is in danger. I mean, we just cannot assent to have that become the norm in the United States of America.
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No, we can't. And that's why I've constantly advocated for the highest possible charges and punishments against any of these individuals, whether it be the attempts on President Trump, Charlie Kirk, Luigi Maggione and the United Health Garcia. You can't allow assassinations to breathe into our culture because it's the most corrosive form of, of cancer to any political society. And it always has been since the dawn of time. And Senator, when, when, when you look at the culture here, these breakdowns, I feel like maybe in the security posture, there's a lack of urgency that just doesn't seem to have been taken root. The lessons of Butler, this idea that we have a threat situation for President Trump, for conservatives, that is just unprecedented. And I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to say it. When I see those videos and I see the agents, they're up against the wall, right? I remember growing up, we had my manager at the store I used to work at used to say, if you have time to lean, you have time to clean. And I remember being in the Navy, we would not allow someone to do that while they were standing watch. And I can't believe they were doing that at a presidential level event where the entire cabinet and vice president are present.
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You know, and you mentioned a minute ago that Charlie Kirk, the Charlie Kirk assassination really is the proof of what you were just saying about our culture now, a culture of violence, particularly on the left, where, you know, you can't, if you're a conservative leader, conservative figure, you can't even go to a college campus and feel like you're 100% secure. Just as importantly, the people who come out to hear you and exercise their First Amendment rights, they're not safe either. And we do need to have a sense of urgency to your point. We need to make sure that everybody in our, in our protective agencies, everybody in our law enforcement agencies has that sense of urgency and is being equipped accordingly. And I just worry that that is not the case. And we need to make sure that the public knows exactly what's going on, that there's full and total transparency. And that's why Congress needs to do its job. We need to have hearings. We need to get the facts out there for the American people.
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Have you received any response from either DHS or the agency since this letter has gone out?
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No, I have not. And I hope that I will. And I hope that the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, Rand Paul, will say immediately, we're going to hold hearings on this. We're going to do this in public. We're going to get Answers. But I would just go back two years, rewind two years to Butler. Literally. When I went to Butler, Jack, for the first time, I had the FBI come onto the fear field there at Butler. I was there with my team. They came onto the field and told me I had to leave. And I said, what do you mean I have to leave? Like, who's under whose jurisdiction? I'm a member of the Senate. I'm on the committee of jurisdiction. I'm conducting investigation. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no. You know, you can't be here. No. They didn't have a perimeter set up at the time, Jack, at all. But they said, no, you can't be here because, you know, we're going to. We're going to control this. We will give you the facts when we want to give them. And for months, they stonewalled us. At the time, the Secret Service, again, Biden leadership stonewalled us. This has become a pattern, and I think we've got to break that pattern. And I know we've got new leadership, thank goodness, at both FBI and Secret Service, I know they're doing things differently. We got to make sure we're giving them the support to change what they need to change, to get the resources that they need to get and to get the facts out there to the American people.
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Look, at the end of the day, it comes down to safety. And this is not a partisan issue. Certainly at the White House Correspondents Dinner, there were many people who were not members of the administration or not conservative from all political walks of life and backgrounds, et cetera. This was not one Republican event or a Trump event or something like that, but it certainly was an event where everyone was at threat and everyone was at risk because of these lapses. So who, you know, whoever becomes the next president, the next vice president, et cetera, et cetera, on down the line, this is going to be an issue for everyone. And again, there's nothing more corrosive than assassinations. And certainly that's something that I think we all learned following last. Following last year's situation with Charlie. But, Senator, if I could ask, what do you make, because I know you've written a lot about this. What do you make about the rise of this assassination culture to begin with, and. And the fact that it is on the rise? We haven't seemed to have dealt with this at the federal level in terms of these agencies and pushing new guidance. And I wonder if there's something there that perhaps we could learn and then push down as a Prior intelligence officer myself, I know that a lot of these agencies, they love their guidance, they love their studies. But I think it starts with understanding that the situation on the ground has changed.
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It really has changed. And we have this very paradoxical situation now where actual political speech, you know, words are thought to be harmful, are thought to be triggering. You know, you go to any campus and, oh, my gosh. Well, you can't say that you have a different political viewpoint. You're conservative. Oh, no, that's hurtful to me. You can't say those words. And yet actual violence, shooting people. Oh, well, you know, that's becoming the norm. It should be just the opposite. I think we've got to recover a healthy and robust appreciation for the constitutional principle of open political debate. You know, Abraham Lincoln famously said that in democracy, we don't appeal from ballots to bullets. I'm worried that a lot of people now, and frankly, a lot of people on the left are more than happy to do that. They want to appeal the bullets. They are out there literally engaging in political violence. Many portions of the left are fine with political violence, but political speech, they're against. We need to reverse that. We need to get back to saying, you know what, we can have big, robust debates in this country. We can have big disagreements. We can air that out in speech. But what we don't do is we don't go shoot each other. I mean, come on, we're Americans. You can really disagree with that guy. You can really dislike some political leader, fine, that's your right. But you don't go shoot him. I mean, what's wrong with you people? I think we've got to have a reset here, and we've got to drive that in our conversation. It really gets back to valuing speech, valuing free and open debate, valuing the Constitution.
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Well, this is the. This is the value that Charlie Kirk lived every day. He said, if you disagree with me, come to the front of the line. I'm going to give you a microphone. I'm going to let you have the opportunity to, you know, change my mind or prove me wrong. That's the entire bedrock of Western civilization, is the idea that we will have this debate and that we will hash these things out as free citizens. And what. What other place could there be than the modern public square than, you know, a college quad? Right, the college. The college campus. And I actually agree with you that it does begin with this idea that words are violence. You're not allowed to say that, and that you should be censored. So that if you aren't allowed to say those things, and we can't get you censored from being thrown off of campus, we can't get you censored from being shut down on social media, perhaps, and of course, you've been one of the leaders on the big tech fight there, then censorship comes. Instead of soft beans, they'll choose harsher means. Do you agree that there seems to be a pipeline there?
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Yeah, absolutely. And I think the irony is, is that if you treat words as violence, what you get is more actual violence. If you say we're going to shut down the free exchange of ideas, you're going to get people with guns doing insane stuff like this nut who tried to kill the president and others who have tried the same thing and obviously come very, very close in at least one instance. So. And in the case of Charlie, Kirk succeeded. I think we've got to take a hard look here at what we've allowed to have happen on our campuses. But also I think at the root of it, Jack, as I think on it, the root of it is there's too many people in this country who no longer share our bedrock principles that unite us as a nation. They don't believe any longer in those core values of liberty, of the individual, family, God, country. You know, there was a certain. There used to be a certain bedrock of values in the country that everybody agreed on. And no matter how vociferously you disagreed on policy, you agreed on those fundamental things, and that gave us a framework for our debate. I think as that erodes and as the left attacks those fundamental things, our debate becomes much more polarized, it becomes more vociferous. The censors become more empowered and you get more violence. And we're in that spiral right now. We got to pull this country out of that spiral.
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Well, I couldn't agree more with that, Senator. I know you have to run. You're working today, you're earning that salary. Where can people go and, and follow you and put out everything they're putting out?
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Hey, you can go to Josh, Holly.com or follow me anywhere on social media. Holly, Mo, thank you so much, Jack, for having me.
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God bless. Under. Thank you for your words and for your kind words about Charlie as well. Folks, we are going to go to our cold open here for a second. I'm going to replay the intro. But we do have breaking news that I want to let everybody know, because this just came across the wire as I was speaking with the senator. Didn't even get a chance to read the message. I have it now. And a federal grand jury has just indicted former FBI Director James Comey after a longstanding controversial Instagram post from last year that President Trump and members of the administration claimed was a threat against the president. Very interesting indictment. Obviously I want to read more into that, see which jurisdiction this took place in, because we know that had been an issue with Comey and some of the others in the past. So for, for now, we will dig into that and, and guys, let's go and run the show.
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Opening the suspected shooter at the White House Correspondents Dinner Saturday appeared in federal court in Washington, D.C. for the first time yesterday. Cole Allen, a 31 year old part time teacher from California, faces three charges, including attempting to assassinate the president. Prosecutors say Allen is likely to face more charges as the investigation continues.
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Melania Trump sharing a blistering takedown of Jimmy Kimmel.
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The first lady's post on X coming
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after Kimmel's scathing parody of the White
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House Correspondents dinner on Thursday.
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Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.
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The United States about to enter a third month of war with Iran. Secretary of State Marco Rubio confirming details of Iran's latest proposal, conditions under which the regime would reopen the Strait of Hormuz.
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What they mean by opening the straits is, yes, the straits are opened as long as you coordinate with Iran, get our permission or we'll blow you up
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and you pay us.
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That's not opening the straits.
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Nor can we tolerate them trying to
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normalize a system in which the Iranians decide who gets to use an international waterway.
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King Charles is in Washington for the
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first state visit by a British monarch in almost 20 years. Here he is arriving with Queen Camille at the White House. Some of the teen may not have the fortitude that President Trump does. Trump's the best deporter that I've ever worked for. You know, I think that sometimes cold feet, whether that's polling numbers or whatever, can come into play. And that's too bad because again, this is for America. I don't give a damn about the polling numbers. Yeah, let me say that again as the.
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Well, this is what we voted for. We voted for mass deportation.
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Exactly. I don't go into cities to arrest illegal aliens based on polling numbers. I do that as a Border Patrol chief.
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The last time the Alien Enemies act
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was invoked, it was used to detain
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and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants during World War 11. Federal agents are conducting several search warrants
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across the Twin Cities. FBI agents, Homeland Security, they're Inside that building right now. This is the Somali Senior Center. We're in the West Phillips neighborhood. There's also a childcare center here. So we're unsure which or both of these businesses is involved. Now this is one of nearly two dozen spots where we are told that federal agents are stopping today.
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All right, folks are back here. Human Events Daily. And that was the big story earlier this morning, folks. Accountability, accountability for Minnesota for the fraud, for the Somali fraudsters that we have seen time and time again. And by the way, I love the fact that Tim Walls are trying to get ahead of this, but I'll talk about that in a second. So this was a story that I actually heard about late last night. And I put a tweet up early this morning in the 7 o' clock hour about sort of referencing that something might be coming with these daycare centers. And of course, I didn't want to get ahead of the operations. I didn't want to get ahead of anyone who was going to be on the ground. Then had a discussion with the attorney General's office and just to get the confirmation, got the confirmation and they were able to provide a statement to Human Events. And I put that out later and had some, had some media hits, did War Room as well talking about this. They confirmed that there would be 22 search warrants raids executed this morning across Minnesota and largely in the Minneapolis area. We're gonna have Liz Collin here from Alpha News who is just always in the know on everything that takes place in Minneapolis ever since the events of George Floyd. She'll be joining us just after the break. And what we need to see here, what we need to see and obviously want to find what were the organizations that were targeted. And you got Tim Waltz now saying that, oh, these were state generated leads, that the state actually played the role in identifying the federal government. No, that's not true, Tim. That's not true. Because it was new media. It was new media like Nick Shirley that was out there. It was new media on the ground, citizen reporters, citizen activists taking up the ball. It was places like Alpha News that were going in, day in and day out that were going after the truth. They were simply going after the truth of what's been happening in their area, what's been happening in their city. The Fall of Minneapolis was a documentary that Liz Collins put together. And there's so many of these aspects to it. So no, Tim, you were not the one who was trying to fix it. You in many ways are the one who is responsible for it. But don't worry, Tim. Don't worry. I think you are. Because accountability, ladies and gentlemen, accountability is now here. Right back. Human Events Daily. Real markers, voice. You talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack. Where's Jack? He's got a great job. All right, folks, Jack Besovic. We're back live. Human Events Daily. And as I was just mentioning in the last segment, Liz Collin of Alpha News joins us today. Liz, how are you?
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Hey, Jack. Doing well. How are you?
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I'm doing great because we're finally seeing the efforts of yourself and so many others prove fruitful. We're seeing the fruit being born from those efforts with these raids on some of the fraud centers, FBI, HSI and some of these outlets. And obviously, you've talked about this for years and done investigations into this for years. Can you. Can you tell us what do we know specifically about what's happening on the ground today?
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Yeah, you're right. I think some reassuring news, certainly this morning, Jack, with these 22 search warrants in all, that is nowhere near the end of this, I'm sure of that. But we did, we saw agents at daycares, autism centers, a senior center and a daycare all around the Minneapolis area, for the most part, or suburban areas of Minneapolis. FBI agents were there, HCI agents, BCA agents. So these are state and federal agencies working together on these raids that are still ongoing. I will say there are agents at a few locations yet today, but officers in plainclothes there as well. You can see them carting out boxes, bags for hours at different locations. Multiple vehicles on scene. I was going to point out that I don't think that this comes as much of a surprise. It was promised that this was going to be the case back in February. You'll remember, Jack, at the end of Operation Metro Surge, border czar Tom Homan said, okay, well, the operation for the most part is over, but we're keeping federal agents here to investigate fraud. And I know with these things, I'm sure you do as well, that these investigations do take time. Our sources have said, you know, you gotta build these cases and strong cases. You're gonna have to sit outside of these places for 30 days, for 60 days, who's going in, who's going out, or perhaps who's not going in or coming out, it seems, with these Somali businesses to provide kind of that large sample area. So agents, I'm sure, have been documenting and doing just that. So I think this is ongoing. I think there are perhaps thousands of locations from what I've actually heard in Minnesota that are under the microscope, but certainly nice to see some accountability it seems this morning with these raids ongoing at this hour.
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And so the fact that they're ongoing is tremendous. But you know, we had this, this message up, this tweet up from Tim Walls where he seems to be not only backtracking but doing a complete 180 where he's actually taking credit for the raids. Walk me through this psychology here.
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Well, not only this, this actually happened, these raids happened on the morning of Governor Tim Walls his final State of the State address. Jack, he's announced he's not seeking a third term. But you're right, these ex posts are really quite something to see. He's kind of taking credit saying this is what happens when state and federal agencies work together. We all can remember how he has done everything he can to make sure that doesn't happen, especially when it came to Operation Metro Surge. But I think a little too late on many of these points, praising the raids today, claiming that cracking down on fraud is a priority is what he's saying. But yeah, his speech tonight is that at seven o', clock, his final one as governor of Minnesota. Kind of some irony I think here with the timing of all of this.
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Perhaps, perhaps some intentionality as well. The idea though, that, that he, I mean, obviously, let's just, let's just go back to the timeline. You at Alpha News have been reporting on these things for years. There have been multiple indictments, I think just under 100 indictments in just one case alone. In this. Has Tim Walls been helpful in these things at all? Up until this.
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In fact, Jack, he has been in office this entire time. That fraud has really made the news cycle. So we're talking $9 billion in fraud. That's on record. We've heard as high as $20 billion in fraud programs specifically designed for fraud. I'll just highlight this autism program. I talk about it a lot. I think there are five, from what I'm hearing, autism centers that were a part of these raids this morning. But that program alone, it's known as the EIDBI program. It saw its total costs go from $38 million to $324 million. And that happened in just a four year period. That's just one program I'm talking about here. And again, Governor Tim Walls in office, you know, this entire time.
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No, he's been in office the entire time, but I understand also, and you know, we've been wanting to get you on because I know you have a new documentary out all about Tim Walls, or should I say the Minneapolis mao?
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Minnesota Mao, in fact.
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Minnesota.
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Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Jack. And sadly, we have so much material at this point that we're continuing to put this all together. But it's out on June 4th. There is some significance behind that date.
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June 4th is the date of Tiananmen
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Square and also the anniversary of Tim and Gwen Walls. Tim picked that date so he could remember it. Those are words from his wife.
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So wait, wait, I understood that they had had their honeymoon or something, Is that correctly? They were, they were on their honeymoon in, in China in 1989. They were actually married, though, on, on that day as well.
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Gwen has said that in interviews that that is the very reason that Tim picked that wedding date. Some pretty bombshell interviews, I will say forthcoming in that do Minnesota Mao. But for now, folks can check it out. MinnesotaMow.com, that's where our trailer is. I know you shared it on X as well, which we, we appreciate. But fraud is also a big part of the documentary and kind of a layer of, of all of this and what we've seen in Governor Walz and his time in Minnesota.
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Liz, I have to ask, remind me, does. Does Tim ever claim to be able to speak Chinese? Has that something that he's ever said despite his many trips there?
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You know, there are many documented lies. It's hard to keep track of. He has, we've heard him say, or perhaps attempt to say a few words here and there, but he has gone from saying that he's been to China more than 30 times now. It's about 20 times. But in the documentary, I will say that we interviewed some folks who went to China with him and they have some pretty interesting insights that they're gonna share for the very first time. And in fact, they've been trying to get the attention of, of local governments, of federal governments as well over the years, saying that this guy really had no reason to be in public office. And these were years ago that they sent these warning signs to many, many people. And yet here we are kind of dealing with this mess in Minnesota.
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Wow. I do not want to have to wait until June 4th, but apparently we will. Liz, where can people go to see the documentary when it comes out?
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It'll be MinnesotaNow.com also our YouTube page, Alpha News. MN.
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Check it out and give her a follow. Liz. I don't know if I ever, if I ever see the guy, maybe I can test him on his Mandarin. We could do A little show at the end. John 1. Check it out. See whether or not he holds himself up to snuff. Right back. Jack is more human. Where is Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad. But we have guys. And these are the guys who'd be getting politicians. All right, folks. Jack Posobic back live Human Events daily. Real America's voice. Folks, I talk about government overreach every single day on this show. But we are securing the border, cleaning up our elections. And there's one thing Washington still can't protect, unfortunately. And that is the deed to your house. And this time, it's not the government coming for you though. It is criminals. It's called title theft. And you need. And if you need. Excuse me. If you own a home, you need to hear this. The FBI has been warning about a type of real estate fraud on the rise called title theft. And your equity is the target. Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on a single document. They use a fake notary stamp and they file it with the county. And just like that, on record, they own your home using your ownership. They can take out loans against your equity or even sell your property. And you won't know about it until foreclosure or collection notices show up in the mail. That's why I partnered with Home Title Lock. So you can protect your equity. And find out today if you're already a victim. Use promo code poso@hum@hometitlelock.com and you'll get a free title history report and a free trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's 247 monitoring of your title records, urgent alerts to any changes. And if fraud occurs, their US based restoration team will spend up to $1 million to fix it. Don't be a victim. Protect your Equity. Today@hometitlelock.com Promo code POSO all right folks. Very excited now for our next guest. Dr. Chloe Carmichael joins us now. You know her. She's the author of Can I say that? And Nervous Energy. She is a clinical psychologist and she has reviewed the entire published manifesto of the would be assassin of President Trump at the White house correspondence dinner. Dr. Chloe.
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Hey, Jack. It's good to be with you. I'm sorry for the circumstances, of course. But glad that we could talk about it.
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A
As always.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Well, you know. And we just had Senator Hawley on here and he, my gosh, he used the line that you say all the time, when you treat words as violence, you get more violence. I said, we got to get him a copy of your book.
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D
I'm all in favor. Let's make it happen for sure.
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A
Because this is, this is what you've been writing about how, how these, unfortunately, it's not just a bad idea, but how it's these, these worldviews and these thoughts can, negative thoughts can lead to negative actions.
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D
Yeah. And actually as well as very distorted thoughts and, you know, repetitive thoughts. So the manifesto, as you mentioned, was basically a parroting, a regurgitation of media talking points as well as left wing politician talking points. But I repeat myself, right? He goes and refers to Trump as a pedophile, rapist, traitor. He goes and he says he has to do these things because of, quote, fishermen being blown up in boats. I mean, presumably he means the Venezuelan drug dealers that were trying to pump fentanyl into our country. I think that there's a level of delusion that people are susceptible to when they keep hearing the same fat quote, facts or misinformation repeated over and over on the news as well as in academic classrooms.
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A
And that's so interesting to me because you're right, it's, it's, it's this idea that he's talking about, oh, Trump does violence. Trump does violence. But what you're talking about here are law enforcement operations against known criminals or known drug traffickers, military operations in a completely different context. And yet he's using this as justification for his interest in committing violence on. And this is very interesting to me because he talks about his selection of targets at great length. He talks about, you know, he, he used buckshot instead of slugs because he didn't want it to go through the walls and he only had specific targets. Walk me through why is the intentionality so important to these individuals?
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D
Well, I think it's really important to him that he wants to claim himself as, you know, one of the good guys. So it feels like a very showy display of, you know, here's all the ways that I thought about this. And to your point of like, just kind of distorting a context, he even went so far as to pull Christianity into that, right? To, you know, distort, distort and misuse Christian theology and scripture, to talk about turning the other cheek and standing up, you know, for the oppressed. You know, there was such almost deliberate confusion or delusion there. But, you know, another point from the manifesto that I don't hear a lot of people talking about quite as much is that one of his quote, objections and rebuttals that he raises is, you know, he imagines people saying to him, well, what about you as a half black and half white man? Know, why are you the one that should have to do this? Right. Which was such interesting language. And then his response was, well, I don't see anybody else picking up the slack. And it's just, it was interesting to me and telling to me as far as his left wing ideology that he's also of course a part of this group called the Wide Awakes. I assume that's like the Ultra wokes or whatever, but that he even sees his race as some kind of a driving factor here or why should you have to, as a half black and half white, just so obsessed with this identity politics and such a blindness to the actual facts of our lives.
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A
So the fact that he brings up his racial identity in that context, and I was actually planning to ask you about this because there's just so much to it, but do you see that as it. I mean, to me it just seems very much, you know, I guess what we would call main character energy of this idea that he seems to think that the world revolves around him and these decisions and his role as half white. It's like, dude, nobody knows who you are. You know, you're not special. You're just another American citizen like the rest of us. But it seems to me in his mind he has a very, very inflated sense of self.
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D
Yeah. In fact, that could even ironically be part of the issue. There is a sense of not mattering and a sense of a lack of purpose. And he even talks about that in the manifesto, is that he's directly imagining that everybody's going to be reading this and everybody's going to be talking about this. And he addresses his students and his family and even his church and all these people and he's clearly aware, as you said, and focused on the fact that there's going to be a lot of people talking about him and to your point, nobody had ever heard of him before and that this could be part of that. Another issue kind of within that is we know that in addition to being some kind of a teacher or tutor, which again, hello left wing ideology, he was also apparently, or is also apparently a game developer, which of course tells us it doesn't take a psychologist to know that this means he's spending a great deal of time online. And as well to your point about identity, people who get super Invested in games, it's a virtual identity. So they can start to have a little bit of a kind of a soft sense of their own identity. And then of course, meanwhile, they're spending a great deal of time online. They can fall down a group, think rabbit hole very quickly that way.
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A
Well, no, you're right. And certainly, you know, I don't ever want to be one of those guys who says, oh, if you play video games it's going to make you violent. I just don't think that works. But I do think that what you're saying, it's the question of identity, right. It's the question of do you start to lose that sense of who you are as an individual and then identify with these other. And what we see predominantly in video games these days is created characters. So creating your own character, creating your own avatar. So we see that as a game developer with Cole Thomas Allen. We know that Luigi Agione was also a game developer, by the way. We know that Tyler Robinson was known to play games featuring extreme pornography and extreme sex involving bestiality, among other things, of games that he was playing. And it's all been reported as public knowledge that is out there that people can go and find. And so, and clearly any of the relations to the trans community do tie into this, this, this. I liked what you said. Soft identity, this idea that your identity itself is something fluid, as if we're not, you know, we're not all created individuals.
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D
Yeah, exactly. And like you said, it's not at all to suggest like anybody who plays video games. Right. I mean.
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A
No, no, I wasn't saying that you said that. I just know that, I know that there's this, this, this, you know, narrative.
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D
Yeah. And you could be somebody who's like a casual drinker or you could become a full fledged alcoholic. Right. Like there's, there's a lot of space in the middle. But it is interesting, as you pointed out, that Luigi Mangioni was, I think you said, a game developer. And so, you know, these are people who are obviously just going beyond, you know, mere casual play. Similarly, when we think about somebody who' through school, you know, versus somebody who's really starting to immerse themselves within academia. And again, I'm obviously not seeing all academics. However, there is a very interesting correlation between academia and the left and an endorsement of political violence. So we know that.
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A
We see that in polling, we see that in voter patterns. Dr. Chloe Carmichael. Right back, quick break. Heartbreak. Unfortunately, Human Events Daily. Just back. We're going to call this The Jack Posobic Appreciation Hour.
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C
I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobic. And that, that is, I'll be honest.
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A
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D
Yeah, that stood out to me, too. The one thing I noticed on that was, of course that I think Kash Patel is the only member of the target list, or would be target list that was not white. And so since this person is obviously obsessed with wokeness, he mentions his own race as, you know, and so maybe it was some kind of a racial solidarity situation. But I'm curious what you think too.
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A
You know, that's, that's honestly, you know, that's honestly probably better than any idea that I'd come up with. I mean, you'd think that perhaps. Here's why I was thinking there might be more to it than that because he seems to have spent so much time going through these objections and responses and has this, you know, in his mind at least a well formulated thought for all of his other choices that I was, I don't know, perhaps I was hoping that he had some more of a specific woke, you know, woke ideology of well, I'm going after white people and he's not white and that's it.
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D
Well, I would think so. But he did also mention his own race where he said, why should I, as a halfway half black person have to do this? So he obviously thinks about race as more than just your skin color, that it, that it connotes something about who you are or your responsibility for things. He made that very explicit. And so, you know, there's probably another reason, as you said, but that was just the one thing that stood out to me about him and Kash Patel. I don't know.
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A
No, I think that's, that's certainly potential. Anything else about it? Just in general, what, what takes someone who's so gifted intellectually, he's, you know, top marks on college entrance exams, he's working in some of the top fields, he's at Caltech, he's at extremely elite university. What could take someone, make someone like that in that situation, who seems to be coming from a loving family. There's no broken home here, there's no socioeconomic factors. What else or what other could it be that drives someone like that into committing an act like this or thinking that this is a good course of action?
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D
Yeah, so it's a good question. And ironically, it could even be the fact that as you said, he is so intelligent and he did receive so much education and he may have grown up with a great deal of respect for authority. And very sadly that can actually make someone quite vulnerable if they go into some of these very leftist institutions and all of a sudden the top professors and whatnot. This is another component of groupthink, by the way, is that there's these self appointed mind guards in these expert classes. And if he's just a very intelligent person that's trained to learn and accept what authority figures are saying and just download that, he may have just taken his big powerful brain and just simply downloaded the wrong information because he mistakenly thought, well, these are smart professors, I'll go by what they tell me. And they very well may have been teaching some really twisted left wing political ideology. Is this, that could be the case?
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A
Is this something that you've been obviously not asking about any specifics on cases, but is this something that you may have run across before at all with people who come from this environment who are extremely intellectually gifted, that they may become perhaps more susceptible to that groupthink because they think, well, this is what all the smart people think.
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D
Sure, absolutely. And then moreover, a lot of, you know, masters and above type programs, when they're interviewing candidates, understandably, they're actually seeking candidates that are going to be very coachable, that are, you know, going to be good research assistants and help that professor to, you know, do their work as the principal investigator. Experienced it myself, if it weren't for the fact that I didn't go to school till much later in life when I already had a solid sense of my worldview, I probably would have completely absorbed all that left wing ideology as well. It's actually one of the things I talk about in my book is how students can resist that type of indoctrination, how they can stand up for themselves and their values when they are getting this incredible pressure. Which I can share some statistics as well, but I think we just kind of all know it that at these left wing universities, which is most universities, students experience a great deal of pressure that if they want to get good grades and if they don't want to be labeled as, you know, some quote, idiot, redneck or whatever, that they better just go ahead and sing that professor's song.
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A
Yeah, no, I can remember that as well. Of course, I was not the student that went along with the professors when I was on campus, as I'm sure will surprise absolutely no one, that yes, there are articles from when I was in school that I was conduct. I was rousing quite a lot of rabble even back then. Actually at one point, because I went to a wasn't a state university, it was state related to. And I actually called in legislative hearings on my professors because of the indoctrination that they were doing on campus. And so while an undergraduate, I was working with the David Horowitz Freedom center back then and students for Academic freedom. And we had hearings that I actually forced my professors to have to testify.
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D
Amazing. See, now we need some more of that, Jack. I'm not surprised.
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Hey, that's Turning Point USA these days. This was, this, this was pre Turning Point, but this was, that's the mission of Turning Point usa. That's how Charlie built. Turning Point USA was all about the indoctrination on campuses. And if that didn't exist, then Turning Point UXA would not exist because there would not be a need for it.
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D
Yeah, and you know, there is actually an interesting psychological process of how that indoctrination works. So if you're a student and you're on campus and you're like, oh, well, I know that that's not really true, but I'm just going to write this paper the way the professor wants, or I'll just raise my hand in class and they need to hear there's. Because of a psychological process called cognitive dissonance. And because of things like repression and suppression and denial, what ends up happening is that you ultimately can lose touch with your own real thoughts and you can just start adapting and taking on the thoughts that you were just pretending to have. Just the same way, like they say, well, if you just put a smile on your face and you're sad, it'll start to lift your mood. The same thing can happen when you start pantomiming the viewpoints of professors. So it's really important for students that are in universities, either they should somehow be bold and speak up, and I have ways that they can do that, or at the very least, make sure that they talk or write down their real thoughts later.
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A
Dr. Chloe, where can people get the
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D
book free speech today.com or Amazon?
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Free Speech reachtoday. Com, give or follow. Dr. Chloe Carmichael, Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission. Lay ashore.