A (2:41)

And you know, we.

F (2:43)

They're paying now. They're paying a fair amount. I had them at 39%, but I decided to be nice. I was nice. And I think they like us a little bit better.

A (2:54)

Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard Today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live in Washington D.C. today is December 11, 2025, Anno Domini. And today we're going to have a roundtable discussion on the threat of leftist violence here in America and really all across the West. And to do so, how interesting that we've got so we've got two native born Americans and that we've got one American immigrant and one American friend. So joining me here in studio is the great Dr. Charles Cornish Dale of Oxford. You may know him as the raw egg nationalist. What's up man?

D (3:34)

It's great to be here, Jack.

A (3:35)

And of course my wife, the beautiful and lovely tiny tape of Sobic.

B (3:38)

Thank you for having me on.

A (3:39)

And oh yeah, for having you. She says for having you.

B (3:43)

Well, I don't always get the.

A (3:44)

She didn't have a choice, folks. She didn't have a choice. And and then joining us via remote is the great pollster, the people's pundit, Rich Barris. What's up Rich?

H (3:53)

Living the dream, Jack. Thanks for having me on as always, brother.

A (3:56)

And right now in a courtroom in Utah, the courtroom in Utah, Charlie Kirk's accused murderer, Tyler Robinson is conducting his first in person hearing. And we do have correspondence covering that. We'll be able to get you all the information as soon as it comes. And guys, look, the reason that I wanted to do this is, is quite simple, is that we all know that we're facing a serious threat and the threat is as real as it gets. We just passed the three month mark of Charlie's murder and that was real. And in fact, this is the studio. This is the chair that I was sitting in when I found that all out. I think about it every single time I come here. It's all I can think about when I'm sitting here, quite frankly, that what's going to happen when I get another comment in that another one of my friends got shot and killed out on some campus or out at some event or God forbid, one of these Turning Point students when they're out there just going up with a table. Because what you do worry about is copycat violence. And unfortunately I just don't think. And you know, Charles, you've mentioned this before, we talked about the other day. People just don't take it seriously.

D (5:08)

No, people don't. I mean there's been polling that shows that I think a majority of Americans don't even think that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. You know, you've got people excusing the murder and saying, you know, this is just.

A (5:22)

Or if they do, they think that his motives were some nebulous. You know, he may have been a groiper, he may have been an anarchist, he may not have been political at all.

D (5:32)

Yeah, which is. Which is crazy because of course, you only need to look at the practical effects actually of what Charlie's murder has achieved to see that, you know, it serves the leftist purpose perfectly, doesn't it? I mean, you've killed one of America's most important young Republicans, one of, you know, the right wing's shining stars, a man who would have done 20, 30 years of incredible organization. He's the future of the Republican Party. I mean, why wouldn't a leftist murder Charlie Kirk?

A (6:04)

I mean, no, it stands to reason, and I do, because people always say, you know, oh, what's the. Who benefits the most? The left, obviously benefit the most, by far. And there's no question. Cui bonobo. And, you know, people have brought up alternate theories and brought up other questions and. But I think the simple answer, the Occam's razor here is that who benefits the most? It's the political left by far benefits the most, while other people benefit in some marginal ways, maybe, you know, certain. I'm sure we can all speculate about indirect effect. But the most direct, immediate benefit to Charlie Kirk's murder has to be to the political left by taking somebody off the board who not only would have gone on to be such a star nationally and internationally, he actually just spoke at Oxford, but someone who was running rings around them in here and now. Okay, we write back. Quick break. The political violence panel today here on Human Events. Dale will be right back. Real America's Voice. Stay tuned. Don't go anywhere. Breaking news from Real America's Voice.

E (7:33)

The second is the state's motion to amend or clarify the publicity order, commonly known or referred to as the gag order. And finally, on the motion for limited intervention and request for notice of motions to close, seal or reclassify, which has been filed by the media organizations and by council who are present today. So as we begin, the first part is. We'll begin by addressing the October 14th audio recording and the October 24th transcript. This portion of the hearing will be closed so that I may hear from the parties regarding which portions of the recording. The record should remain sealed. All members of the public and the press will be excused, and the hearing will not be broadcast. This is because I need to hear what should or should not be sealed or protected. And it would not benefit to have everyone listen to what should be sealed. And so after I've heard argument, we will invite all parties or the public and the media to come back in and the hearing will resume transmission. We will then take up the motion for limited intervention, followed by the state's motion to amend or clarify the publicity order. These portions, the last two portions, will be open to the public and to the press. After hearing argument on all three matters, I will take a brief recess and then return to issue my ruling today. We will then stand in recess. So at this point, we'll go ahead and excuse the public and the media. And it is the court's order that transmission be terminated temporarily.

I (9:27)

Your honor, I we have one request with respect to the closed hearing. May I be heard on that?

E (9:32)

Yes.

A (9:32)

Council, thank you.

I (9:33)

Richard Novak for Mr. Robinson. Mr. Robinson has some immediate family members who are present, his father, his mother, and his brother. And we would ask the court to permit them to remain in the courtroom during the closed portion of the hearing to the state.

A (9:50)

My only concern with that, your honor, is that we're going to be talking about court security measures, and.

F (9:58)

I don't.

A (9:58)

Know that we'll have to go into a lot of detail about that, but I do have concerns about those issues being discussed in public.

E (10:07)

Mr. Novak, do you have authority that supports allowing them to remain in a closed hearing?

I (10:14)

No, I think it's subject to the court's discretion to decide who is and is not an appropriate member of the public. I think they have a unique relationship with Mr. Robinson, and they would certainly abide by any orders the court makes concerning disclosure of what is discussed in closed session. But obviously, it's up to the court.

E (10:39)

Thank you, Mr. Novak. I'm going to rule that they will be excluded as well. It is just given the nature and the sensitivity of it, I believe it is appropriate to treat all parties in the public equally, though I do recognize their relationship with Mr. Robinson. Thank you for your request. All right, we will go into the closed session. Thank you.

A (11:04)

Breaking news from Real America's Voice.

G (11:07)

Hi.

J (11:08)

Was just watching the hearing in Utah with Judge Tony Graff. He is talking about what's going to happen today in the hearing of Tyler Robinson. This is about whether or not the media will have access to the trial going forward and what will happen there. He has instructed that the media will have to leave and that they will not be permitted to be part of the early part of the hearing where security matters will be discussed. It was also discussed whether or not the parents who are in the courtroom today, along with another family member, would be allowed to stay and the judge has said that they would have to be allowed removed as well. After he has reviewed security measures and after he has taken some more into consideration about what's going to be happening in the trial and what both defense and prosecution are interested in, as well as the members of the media who are there asking that media be permitted to be in the courtroom for the trial, he will invite the members of the press back in for another portion of of the hearing and he said that he will be making his ruling today.

F (12:23)

Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun.

D (12:28)

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A (12:29)

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H (14:32)

Jack, to sum it down, to break it down, really easy for everybody to understand is that the left views words the same way that the rest of us view actual violence. So if words hurt them or they perceive words to be, and we should know that we should actually not have been surprised by this considering microaggressions and everything we heard about over the last decade or so, they view that the same as, you know, as throwing a punch or any other act of violence. So they feel that responding with actual violence is responding in kind. And just what I put up last night was the views that liberal Democrats particularly, and educated ones, 40, a plurality of liberal Democrats with college education or more, think that Charlie and others who like Donald Trump are almost ended up like Charlie. Right? That it's their fault. It's the views they hold. It's not the mental health of the perpetrator. It's not what they hear from corporate media. It's nothing they hear out of universities or any other outlet that we gave them. No, the number one reason they picked for most responsible for Charlie's murder was Charlie himself because of the views he held. And I, I was reminded when I was a kid we all had that expression, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. The left doesn't understand that. They don't, they don't believe that. They don't see a difference between name calling or thoughts or ideas and violence. And that is what it breaks down to. So when these acts of violence occur in their minds, they're the heroes of this story because they're actually taking action against people who have bad views that are going to lead to people being hurt. It's, I mean, three months out, Jack, and we're, you know, we really need to start talking about this more.

A (16:17)

Well, this is a culture and rich, I believe the number you threw out, it was 40% of educated Democrats. Educated liberal Democrats believe that people like Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump basically deserve what they got for their own views and their own rhetoric. And One interesting piece, Dr. Chloe Carmichael, when she came on the program, she was talking about how it's very interesting that those shooters, and not only in this case as well as Luigi Maggione, but they wrote words on the bullets. The anti ice shooter did as well. And there's an interesting angle on their speech being used to literally kill someone who they believe is harming them by their speech. So what you're saying here Is isn't just, you know, something that we should mock. It's actually something that is a pathological belief that they share. Tanya, Tay, I wanted to get you in, sweetheart, because you had a post up yesterday about Erica and how the victims of leftist violence are not just, you know, not just the actual people who are injured, killed, but the families that they leave behind. You were born in the Soviet Union, a place where political prisoners and political violence were rife. Not that you experienced it in your life, but you were sort of tail end of it there. But you're certainly familiar with those stories. What did you think and what, what were you think your thought process was when you, when you wrote that post regarding Erica, and you're watching Erica, she's doing these interviews and you know, and made you want to come out and say something.

B (18:01)

Well, we all see so many mean attacks coming Erica's way, as if she didn't have enough to carry on her shoulders. And what makes me so angry is all the grief experts out there get to throw a couple mean tweets, film a couple mean videos, and then they get to shut off their phone, turn off their laptops, and go back to their normal life. But guess what? Erica Kirk can never go back to her normal life. She has to live with a huge loss. She has to raise children while experiencing that loss every single day. She gets to go to bed and wake up every single morning with the same loss and grief. And I felt like somebody and more people need to speak up about that because she is a human first and foremost. She is a grieving wife. She is the mother and she is a person who lost her very close friend. And she never got a chance to just take the time off. She didn't get the privilege of take a week or a month and just disappear in the somewhere where she can just hide from all the haters. She had to stand up. She had to show her strong side and embrace everything that's been thrown at her while being the CEO of Turning Point usa, while being a mother, while being the daughter in law who has to support the grieving parents. And you know, grief is not.

A (19:55)

And you know, I'll just say that, you know, people don't know this, but when she gave her first statement, that very first speech address that she did from Charlie's studio, that you were standing right there in the next room and were able to be with her afterwards and you saw that grief firsthand and.

B (20:18)

You, I know a lot of people saw the message, but once the cameras got turned off, we Got to all the whole studio, all the turning point USA family, got to really hear the true grief and true hurt that Erica was going through. And when I see her smile on camera, I don't think that it's inappropriate. I'm actually happy to see a brief moment of joy in her life because so much, she has been robbed of so much. And we mentioned the three month time, time frame. That honestly feels like such a long period because I honestly feel like it's been the longest three months. And I often look at Erica and think and pray that I will never get to be in her shoes. Because after the Charlie accident, that was the first thought that came to my mind.

A (21:19)

And it wasn't an accident. Incident, you mean Incident. I mean, yeah, incident, yeah. No, that's exactly right. Charles. When, when we look at this, you know, these individuals and you saw Rich's reporting there, they're not thinking about the wives, the children left behind. Or maybe in a sense they are. Because we had Jay Jones who said that we should kill our political opponents to inflict pain and a change in decision and change in thinking on their family.

D (21:53)

Yeah, of course. I mean, I think, look, I mean, that is what terrorism is.

G (21:56)

Yes.

D (21:57)

You inflict terror, you make people afraid. You make like, you know, you're afraid maybe it might happen to Jack. I mean, that's what they want. It isn't just about killing one person. It's about educating other people to change the way that they behave, to change the way that they think. And the problem is, of course, you know, it's been three months now. Their strategy has worked. You know, you had, you had Elon Musk saying, I think it was yesterday or the day before. Certainly there was a post on Twitter where he was saying, look, I don't go outside now. I can't go out.

A (22:34)

He said, I'm on hardcore mode.

D (22:36)

Yeah. And he's the richest man in the world and he actually feels that he cannot go outside because someone will take a property.

A (22:43)

I will say this, that not to. I don't think it'll be revealing anything if I say this, but just having been around him a few times on the campaign or seeing him places, his security detail is, is very serious. He takes it very, very seriously.

D (22:57)

Yeah, well, as he should. As he should. And the thing is, you know, I mean, the, it's been three months and the message, I think, has been because of the official response, actually killing people works so far.

A (23:10)

Why do you say that?

D (23:11)

Well, in the sense that that, look, I mean, the, the left has has got what they, what they wanted. The kind of whole ecosystem of, of kind of right with organization has been disrupted. TPUSA has been disrupted. We've devolved into infighting to recrimination, to accusation, you know, into all these kind of various different theories about what actually.

A (23:38)

Happened rather than uniting and smashing the left. Kicking point and coming up on the break. But where Benny Thompson, the Congressman, is up there right now today saying antifa doesn't even exist. When Charlie Kirk's assassin wrote the international antifa album anthem on his bullet casing. Bella, chow, bella, chow, bella, chow, chow, chow. Hey fascist, catch. It's written right on the bullet. They know it's not true. True, they know they're lying. But they do it anyway because they're propagandists. We'll be right back, Jack. For sober Cuban events daily.

E (24:24)

Today.

F (24:24)

You know they talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine.

H (24:30)

Jack.

F (24:32)

Where's Jack? He's got a great job.

A (24:37)

All right, Jack Paso, we are back live here, Human Events Daily, the leftist political violence panel. We know that the Tyler Robinson hearing is ongoing and we're going to cut to that as soon as we get a summary of information. We'll have a correspondent on or I'll break in myself when some, when we do have something that we can can report from there. Folks, this Christmas give the gift of food security with an amazing deal from our friends at my Patriot Supply. It's called the buy one gift two Christmas special. And all you guys have to got to do is check it out all month long. When you buy an emergency food kit, you'll get two more food kits free to give as gifts. Sweetheart, how many of these are we going to be giving out to people?

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B (26:09)

That was actually the time in Utah.

A (26:13)

Oh, gosh, right.

B (26:15)

That was our first trip together to Utah.

A (26:19)

You've been there before?

B (26:19)

Yeah, I've been there before, but yes. And we got to actually go to the facility and see where all the magic is happening. And let me tell you what is the biggest thing. I had no idea what we were walking into. And they take it seriously. I mean, the place was so immaculate, I don't think there was a speck of dust. They knew where I could find.

A (26:41)

Take it from her. Take it from her.

B (26:43)

It was fantastic. They take their job very seriously.

A (26:46)

Take it from her. Rich Barris, speaking of taking jobs seriously, that's exactly what I wanted to ask you because Charles here, Dr. Charles was. Oh, I like Dr. Charles. I think we might be Dr. Charles for you from now on. Then again, people know you as rock nationalist. He was talking about how people expected a different kind of response from federal law enforcement and from the Trump administration. And I wanted to add to the murder of Charlie Kirk. And I wanted to ask you, you know, from your view, you're talking to people all the time. You're constantly getting scripts in, responses in from people who get asked these questions. What are you hearing on the ground regarding that and what did you expect to see from the administration? And I think what are the ramifications of the fallout of all of this?

H (27:36)

Yeah, I was nodding along with Charles in agreement, listening to what he was saying. And I, look, I think it's fair to say that we all expected the Trump administration to have a more robust response, Jack. I mean, it's not like we don't know who these groups are that promote left wing violence on campuses and everywhere else. And that didn't happen. I mean, this is, and just the opening of your show, you know, you, you hear the president saying, we have these influencers, they're friends of mine. Right? Well, that's right, Mr. President. He was a friend of yours. This was a personal friend to the vice president of the United States. And nothing has been done. So it left this huge void. And there were, it's not just among us. Right. Even the voting public. The right. There was this, there is now this void because there were these large expectations that the President was going to do some, they were going to have an appropriate response to this, and that never came. And in lieu of that, we're getting these crazy conspiracies and people throwing, you know, they're basically live streaming fake investigations in order to give people something, any breadcrumb at all to hold on to because of the void the Trump administration has left. And as a pollster, I often get asked, why didn't Charlie's murder mobilize the right? Why are they depressed in all of these special elections? And that's your answer? Because the voters are looking at it the same way everybody else is. What happened here? What happened? Tell us a code, first of all. Tell us what you're going to do about this. And they didn't.

D (29:02)

They.

H (29:02)

I mean, honestly, Jack, it was not an appropriate response. And it left the right angry and it left them upset and it left them feeling defenseless. You brought up Elon in the last. I know several other people who say the same thing. The president, I was happy he just did a rally recently. He just did his first rally. The guy has left the White House since, you know, since that happened, basically. So to some degree, the left got what they wanted and the right got nothing they wanted. So now there are people trying to fill that void. And look, I mean, honestly, I was listening to you the other day and you were talking about how people have a difficult time understanding Tyler Robinson's actions or that he was the one who acted. And the truth is, Charlie was such a big figure that a lot of us want this big explanation. Right. They do. They want this big. Well, it's there. We're just. We just didn't spend the time to talk about it. It's more than just the actions of a single guy. That's right. It's an entire culture of left wing. It's an entire change in left wing behavior where they now perceive violence as okay. And in order to get what they want and in their minds, in their ways, in order to defend themselves against the rest of the people who don't agree with them. So there is a big story there. It's just a shame because the response did not match the event. And that's what I mean. Unfortunately, we're all human and we all have our tendencies, and one of them is to, you know, is justice. And people feel like the Trump administration isn't doing enough to pursue that.

A (30:35)

Well, and when it comes to these things as well, it's meant. You mentioned how the left feels as though they're defending themselves. And I think that's right. The left views themselves as constantly being victimized. And there's no level of power or control over society, control over media, control over the narrative that they can attain where they still won't feel that they are still the ones being victimized. It is inherent to their personality because it's kind of like when they talk about Christopher Columbus in this country. And then you'll have these teachers say, you know, I'm not supposed to tell you this, but actually, Christopher Columbus was bad. Everyone says that. All the teachers say that. All of the history shows say that. It's a lie. It's complete lie. It's an obvious lie, but you are in total domination. And they'll never actually admit that they are in complete domination. So in their view, anything they do is a defense.

H (31:25)

What does that leave them? What does that tell you about their end game then? Right, so it doesn't matter if they control the media. They control both houses of Congress, they control the White House. They're always going to feel like they're at risk and they're being victimized. So what does that tell you about the end game? What would ultimately make them feel safe?

A (31:43)

Well, the end game. The end game is constant revolution. Complete and complete and total elimination of their political opponents. That ends. And by the way, once they get rid of the kulaks, they'll find new ones, as anyone who lived through the Soviet Union would know. Be right back. Jack Posobic, Human Events Daily, the panel on leftist violence.

D (32:24)

And Jack.

F (32:25)

Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack.

H (32:36)

Thank you.

F (32:36)

What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who've been getting politic.

A (32:46)

All right, Jack Pacific, Washington D.C. human Events. We're back with the leftist political violence panel. Jack Posobic, Dr. Charles Cornishdale, the raw egg nationalist, Rich Barris, the people's pundit, and the beautiful and lovely Tanya Tay Posobec. Tanya Tay, we're going to go to you real quick because Rich was just asking a question in the last segment about what happens if the left gains total power. And I wrote the book on humans, the Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Smash Them last year. New York Times bestseller. Let's Go. And Russia, and specifically how Russia Devolved into the Soviet Union, is a story about what happened when the left Attained total power. And I don't usually ask you about the Soviet Union very much, but you know, we can go all the way back to the very beginning in the Bolsheviks. And I'll just ask you. The Romanov family. So you had the mother and the father, the Emperor, Tsar and Tsarina and all the children, five children, including Anastasia and little Prince Alexei. What happened to the Romanov family after the left took complete power in Russia?

B (34:07)

The Romanov camelee got assassinated. The parents, children. Even though children had. They had done no evil. They were. Prince Alexei was just a kid, yet they did not spare anybody's life. They were brutally murdered.

A (34:31)

They brought them to the basement and told them they were there for a photography shoot and they should put their. Their suits and dresses on.

B (34:37)

Best attire. So the murder started this movement where violence became an acceptable means of changing the course of history. And then the Bolsheviks came into power. And then at that time there were still a lot of supporters of the Romanov family. And every single person who was too outspoken, who was viewed as the enemy of the state and the enemy of the Bolsheviks mission was either sent to the Gulags. Some of the people disappeared without any trace of them. Some of them were publicly arrested and their whole life got destroyed.

A (35:26)

And by the way, when you're going to school in the Soviet Union, they teach it a little bit differently, don't they?

B (35:33)

They really do. They do. And when you're reading the history book, you never really know who is the good or who is the bad guy. It's often presented that the tsars, the Romanovs, they are those. Oppressive tyrant, oppressive type capitalist. They're privileged. They're privileged to have privile all the money, the power, the influence. And the other class is the oppressed one. So the Bolsheviks are the ones who are saving the poor people from the oppressors.

A (36:11)

And of course, the reason that they murdered the daughters and they murder the children is because they want to prevent a resurgence of the Czar's family.

B (36:20)

They knew exactly what they were doing.

A (36:21)

They knew exactly what they were doing because they wanted to, to prevent anyone from being able to rally behind an heir or.

B (36:28)

And in that case they justified an assassination. They found a perfect example to say it needed to be done. They brought it on themselves for being the Romanov family.

A (36:43)

They say that when Tsarina Alexandra was killed that the very last thing she did was she stood in front of her children and she made the sign of the cross as they shot her.

B (36:59)

Just like any mother would. Just like we see every standing up, every single day trying to protect her children, the innocence of their childhood, to help them shield through all the enemies and all the threats that they are receiving on daily basis. And if you think they're only going after Charlie, well, you, you don't have any idea what you're talking about because the history just out there and it's an open book.

A (37:27)

Right. And, and of course they didn't start with going after Charlie. They tried to go after Trump first. They've, they've tried to go after his children and they all have Secret Service protection. And when that didn't work, the way I look at it is they went after his surrogate son. If you, you will, someone who was close to him, someone who was close to the family, someone who clearly you could see a father, son relationship kind of, you know, dynamic there. But Charlie didn't have Secret Service and all this protection. He had whatever, you know, his private protection and relied on campus security, which as we can see, was inadequate by far. And to be clear, as you know, for anyone who has questions about all of that, I have just as many questions too. And I want all of the documents and everything released on this because it's absolutely horrific. But Dr. Charles, when, when it comes down to it, and you've studied this pathology, write about it quite a bit for us@humanqvents.com shameless plug. And these people, they're written off, Antifa's written off. And you've got Benny Thompson up there saying, oh, they're, you know, they're not that big of a thing, threat, et cetera. And yet as Rich showed, they're far more willing to accept and use violence than anyone on the right because they have, they have this sort of I'm defending myself or defending others kind of perspective. And you see this in study after study of their, their beliefs. They have, it's, it's always the out group preference. It's always the I, you know, the heat map, which is they tried to deny over and over meme. Talk to me a little bit about the pathology and how it drives them towards violence.

D (39:06)

Yeah, I think there is a very distinct leftist pathology that's very different actually from the right. And we're certainly seeing that today in terms of political violence. I mean, part of that, obviously, I think part of the problem of course, is that the right, actually, we're still relying on reason and debate. You know, there's still this idea, I think that actually what we need to do is we need to convince leftists that violence is wrong by reason debate.

A (39:29)

Well, and Charlie was debating. Debating.

D (39:33)

Yeah. And I mean, you know, that should be a message, shouldn't it? Actually, this is what. Trying to debate these people. This is where it gets you. You know, you have.

A (39:41)

This is how they respond when they can't win.

D (39:43)

An incredibly reasonable person, you know, an upstanding man who believed in the power of discussion and debate, wanted to bring people together to iron out their differences. No, you shoot them in the neck in public.

A (39:56)

So, I mean, it was meant to.

D (39:57)

Be in public and. Exactly. And that. Actually, that's an interesting difference between the murder of the Romanovs and political violence today, you know, in the Soviet Union. Actually, the Soviet leadership were kind of ashamed of what they did to the Romanovs. They hid it for a long time. You know, they hid the bodies of, I think, in a. Well, or was it a mine shaft? They threw it.

A (40:18)

It was a mine shaft, and then it was buried over. And there's. There's statements that even. Even members of the Red Army. Marshal Zhukov, for example, refused to shake the hand at one point.

D (40:28)

I don't shake the hand.

A (40:29)

I don't shake the hand of an executioner. And they were disgusted when they had heard that happen.

D (40:33)

Yes, because they'd murdered her family in cold blood, including the children.

A (40:37)

They had been in prison before. It wasn't like. It wasn't like they were out doing something.

D (40:41)

And in fact, there was, you know, there was talk that actually they might end up going into exile in. In the West. And unfortunately, you know, the British royal family, in a very cowardly way, refused to. To allow them to come over to Britain. But who is Tsar Nicholas's cousin? Exactly. Yeah. Who looked very much like him as well, if you see.

A (40:59)

Same grandmother.

D (41:00)

See the pictures of them. But yes, the leftist pathology is. Is an interesting one. And, you know, I've got another shameless plug. I've got a new book, the Last Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity, where I look at political trends from a biological perspective, and in particular, from the perspective of pervasive civilizational testosterone decline. So testosterone is the master male hormone. You know, it's what makes men men. It gives them muscle mass, libido, energy, motivation. But it also actually, and this is a neglected point, misunderstood point. It actually affects people's. It actually affects men's political affiliation. So there are lots of studies that show, for example, that if you give men a dose of testosterone, they exhibit greater in group preference. So you talked about out group preference, about the way that liberals constantly favor the out group over the. In Group, you know, they're always looking to these marginalized minority groups.

A (42:02)

In your book, you walk through and you have study by study and the research backing it up that it's actually almost biological that what creates this in group preference versus out group. And when I say in group preference, that could mean something as simple as, do you care about Charlie's family and children? That is their in group or is your care on. Oh, well, Charlie's words were harmful to the transgender community. And therefore somehow that might cause someone self. I mean, it's told, you know, almost like a Rubes Goldberg machine of causality to try to understand what they're saying. It's like a leftist meme. Tell us again the name of the book and where can people get it?

D (42:44)

It's called the Last Liberalism and the Death of masculinity. It's out December 16th and you can pre order it now on Amazon.com I.

A (42:52)

I can't wait to read this because I've heard you mention that from time to time, but I want to actually go down the deep dive of this. And sweetheart, I want to make sure that anything you're cooking for Christmas is, is in line with the high testosterone options that we have. Always is, as it always is.

C (43:08)

Okay?

A (43:09)

High protein, no soy. No soy. What's our right back? Human Events D.

F (43:27)

Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.

A (43:39)

Amen. Jack Selbyk, we're back Live Human Events daily. You know, every time I watch that video of Trump talking about the book right there, it reminds me that it was Charlie Kirk who filmed that video when we were backstage at the, at the rally. And he said, Mr. President, Jack wrote a book. Would you do a little video for him? And I was just going to hand him a book and hopefully get a picture, but Charlie, he set it up and he. And he got the video. Rich Barris, I want to go back to you real quick because you actually have done some polling on this. Why do we keep seeing this high level of violence? And Dr. Charles, you've written about this. The transgender shooters or people related to the transgender community like Tyler Robinson. Why do we see such a high level of violence associated with them?

H (44:26)

I'm listening intently, and I can't wait to read Charles's book myself, because we did. Even before Charlie's assassination, we, we had Seen a rash of mass shooting events and other shooting events where the perpetrator was trans identified as. So when we did this study, we did, and you have have to oversample these individuals because they're such small percentages of the overall population you're, you're studying. But we did oversample people who identify as trans binary. And what we did find was this. One of the questions, very simple. Do some people hold beliefs that are so bad, so offensive that acts of violence are justified against them? And when you ask trans individuals that, Jack, they're more than twice as likely to say that than any other demographic group. It's almost 70% by the way. And that is directly related to the again, perceived fear that other people's ideas pose a danger to them specifically. So it's no surprise that when we ask questions like the one we discussed before, whose views, or was it their views, was the mental health of the perpetrator who's really most responsible for these accidents. And they're much more likely to say that the individual brought this upon themselves. So again, what we talked about earlier in the segment with people having, you know, a hard time telling the difference between words and actual violence, those groups, that demographic group, particularly transgenders, are among the highest likely to say that, you know, they, they not only justify, but they're perfectly acceptable because after all, words can hurt you too. So they feel it's an appropriate response. So there definitely is something there. And I, you know, finding these results, I'm just finding these results. Dr. Charles is posing another idea I didn't even consider, which is I thought maybe this is a social thing, Jack.

A (46:16)

Right.

H (46:17)

We don't know yet. So I'm interested to see what, what he found.

A (46:20)

No, I mean it's very real. This research is real. We can see it expanding. Tanya Tay, you're very involved in the mob community. You know, it's something you talk about. We got to see Secretary Kennedy the other night and we're talking about the rescheduling of Hepatitis C vaccine and it's, and it's actually has a real world quotient. It's way beyond just, just health. And so tell people again the name of the book and when it comes out.

D (46:46)

Yeah, so the name of the book is the Last Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity. It's out via Skyhorse and it's available for pre order now@Amazon.com and it will be released next week, December 16th, just.

B (47:00)

In time for Christmas birthday coming up. Maybe I can get a signed copy that would be quite a gift. You didn't hear this, but it is Monday.

E (47:09)

It is.

D (47:09)

But, you know, there's a question I'd like to ask. Actually, I'd like to ask you. Tanya.

A (47:13)

You're just taking over the show, huh?

D (47:15)

Yeah, I know. What's it like being married to Jack? You know, someone who was basically Charlie Kirk's best friend. How does it feel?

B (47:26)

Well, everybody saw Jack's immediate reaction after Charlie's assassination. He hasn't stopped. From the second he heard the news at this very table to basically right now. He's been in a total mission mode. And the first day, he was the one hosting Charlie's show because his team just was figuring out all the details, and he's been on a go. But then the side that many don't see is when we have those quiet family dinners and then when we join a movie. And Jack is always the one who is never short for words. He will be always chatting, telling me the latest news, the latest gossip, and then he would get quiet, and then he just look somewhere far in the distance and just say very quietly, I just miss my friend. I just miss sending him a message. I just miss calling him and discussing. I miss my brother in arms who. I need to go and tackle this problem and strategize. What's the next move.

A (48:40)

Well, it's great having your support as well, and. And also the fact that. Look, I'm. You've never asked me to stop. You've never asked. And I wouldn't, and you know that I wouldn't. But you've never asked me. You've never tried to say slow down and.

B (49:04)

Well, I try, but it doesn't really.

A (49:06)

I didn't hear it. It's a little selective deafness there, but you wouldn't be able to get through this without you. All right, that's enough schmaltzy moments on the show there, folks. But no, it's. It's. Look, it's. This stuff is real, all right? This stuff is real. And I'll say this, you know, even. Even for you. I remember I was standing right over there when I. I called you, and I had to give you the call. And Eastern European women aren't exactly known for showing vulnerability. Very tough, very strong. Yeah, exactly right.

D (49:46)

And.

A (49:48)

I just. I remember I could. I could hear so much pain in your voice. And I'll never forget.

B (49:53)

And it's still there.

A (49:54)

I'll never forget hearing that. And, you know, people ask me what I want for Christmas, like, only one thing I'd Want for Christmas. I want my friend back. It's the only thing. Anything else, Everything else, just. And people say, you know, oh, it's so great. You know, you're doing this, you're doing that. There's so many, you know, people listening or whatever it is, and it's like, it's not worth it. It's just not worth it. I trade all the. Oh, followers, whatever. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. But I want to thank you guys all for being on here today. This was a great. A great segment, and it really is. We're going to go emotional with this, but thank you. Dr. Charles right there using his British wiles to get us to break out. But. All right, all right. You know, to drop this out. We were talking about your book, and yes, I do have a Christmas birthday, but I have to ask you guys, is everyone down their Christmas shopping yet?

D (50:50)

No, actually, I need to. No, I've been here for. I've been here for two weeks.

H (50:56)

What are you doing?

A (50:56)

The book tour. You're doing the book tour?

D (50:57)

I've got an excuse.

A (50:58)

What about you leave.

B (50:59)

Sweetheart, I came up with this fantastic idea, and I've been working on it. Oh, I'm not telling you. And I've been working.

A (51:08)

Surprise. Rich, should I be worried? What?

B (51:10)

Can you get to somebody who has everything? Yeah. You have me, you have the kids. I mean, what else do I need?

A (51:16)

What else do you need? What else do I need?

B (51:17)

Right. I came up with a really cool idea, and I cannot wait to see your face when you open your gift.

A (51:24)

Is it now for Christmas or birthday?

B (51:26)

It's for Christmas.

A (51:27)

Oh, all right.

B (51:28)

Your birthday gift is already in the living room. You would. You refuse to open it for, like, days now.

A (51:32)

It's not my birthday yet.

C (51:33)

No.

A (51:34)

She got me these gifts, and she put them in the living room room, and she said, hey, you should open these for your birthday immediately. And you could use huge boxes. I don't know what it is, the giant boxes. And she says, open. I said, I'm not gonna open. It's not my birthday yet. So I just walk past him every day, just sitting there, and the kids have been drawing on them and stuff, and it's all. It's all set up. I. I don't know, Rich, what do you think? Should I be worried?

H (51:56)

No, I think this is gonna be good. That I've. I've heard that in my own wife's voice before. That means they put thought into it, Jack. This is gonna be good.

A (52:04)

See, I don't know. Something this could be. This could be very dangerous.

B (52:09)

I think you might tear up.

A (52:10)

Oh, all right. All right, five guys. We're down to our very last minute. Rich Barris gives you coordinates.

H (52:17)

You know, we're everywhere, Jack. The best places to follow us, as always, is actually on Locals. Peoplespundent.locals.com peoplespundant.locals.com thanks, guys.

D (52:25)

Doc Charles Follow me on Twitter. I am Baby Gravy 9 on Twitter. My substack is raweggstack.com and pre order my book the Last Liberalism and the Death of masculinity@Amazon.com and you'll get it next week, December 16th.

A (52:44)

Sweetheart.

B (52:44)

I don't have the book out yet, but you can follow me on Twitter.

A (52:48)

Ealtanya tay realtanya tay. All right, folks, great panel and thank you. Thank the audience for being here as well. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission. Sam.