ICE Officer Suffered Internal Bleeding When The Car Hit, Partner Now Under DOJ Investigation

Summary

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec

Episode: ICE Officer Suffered Internal Bleeding When The Car Hit, Partner Now Under DOJ Investigation
Date: January 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Human Events Daily, hosted by Jack Posobiec, dives into the fallout from a violent altercation in Minneapolis involving an ICE officer and discusses the subsequent federal investigation into anti-ICE agitators. The show also covers the broader implications for law enforcement, the rule of law, and American immigration policy. The episode wraps up with expert commentary on breaking developments at the Supreme Court concerning trans athletes in women's sports, connecting the issues to America First priorities and the state of political discourse in 2026.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Minneapolis Incident: Facts and Fallout

[05:00 – 07:20]

• Incident Recap:

  • ICE Officer Jonathan Ross suffered serious internal injuries after being rammed by a car driven by "a deranged anti-ICE agitator" in Minneapolis, which Posobiec emphasizes as a shift in narrative from the mainstream media’s original reporting.
  • Ross is an Iraq War veteran and longtime DHS officer, recently raising nearly $1 million through crowdfunding due to extensive medical bills.

• Narrative War:

  • The mainstream media originally framed the story as "ICE agent murders protester," but Posobiec and his guests insist the real story is "anti-ICE agitator attempted to kill an ICE officer."
  • Quote [06:22, Jack Posobiec]:
    "Stop using the left’s frame... You must state the truth when you speak. Don’t ever give up the fact of what happened that predicated all of these issues."

• Statistical Context:

  • According to the ICE director’s recent comments, car ramming attacks on ICE and Border Patrol agents are up "a thousand fold" (not independently verified on the show).

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2. Partner Under DOJ Investigation

[10:00 – 19:00]

• DOJ Probe:

  • Becca Good, partner of Renee Goode (the driver), is now under federal criminal investigation for her actions during and before the attack. Julie Kelly has allegedly found no record of a legal marriage, only a name change.
  • Posobiec details Becca Good’s encouraging of her partner's actions as documented on video and calls this part of a wider pattern of organized, conspiratorial anti-ICE activism.

• Breakdown of Potential Crimes:

  • Will Chamberlain, legal analyst [13:23 – 15:20], lists at least four felonies evident from video evidence:
    • Conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement
    • Actual obstruction of law enforcement by intimidation/threats
    • Urging a partner to flee arrest (felony)
    • Urging aggravated assault on federal officer (most serious)
  • Quote [15:23, Will Chamberlain]:
    "In one video, you’ve got evidence for four distinct federal crimes... She is one of the primary reasons that this entire thing happened."

• On "Optics" vs Law:

  • Posobiec forcefully rejects concerns about the 'optics' of prosecuting anti-ICE activists, insisting "the only crimes committed were by Goode, her partner, and those who aided and abetted."
  • Quote [17:01, Jack Posobiec]:
    "There’s no optics. The DOJ didn’t choose to commit these actions. They chose to commit these actions."

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3. Legal Intricacies: The Felony Murder Rule

[20:00 – 24:45]

• Federal vs State Law:

  • Minnesota's state felony murder rule was "defanged" in 2023 by Governor Tim Walz, but the federal rule still applies since this involved a federal officer.

• Applicability:

  • Debate on whether fleeing lawful arrest triggers the felony murder rule under federal law; legal AI tool ("Grok") suggests it may not unless in "custody," but still leaves open potential for aggravated assault and conspiracy charges.
  • Cultural Reflection:
    • Chamberlain dismisses attempts to draw moral equivalence between any policing mistakes and felonious obstruction/assault by activists.

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4. "LARPing" and the Disconnect from Real Consequences

[29:45 – 36:30]

• LARPing Defined:

  • Libby Emmons (editor, op-ed author) explains activists were "live action role playing" (LARPing) and didn’t anticipate real-world consequences.
  • Quote [30:02, Libby Emmons]:
    "They didn’t think law enforcement was actually out there being law enforcement... They thought law enforcement was out there to larp around with these activists."

• Unexpected Tragedy and Responsibility:

  • Activists underestimated ICE as a law enforcement agency and were, according to Emmons, perhaps misled by the idea that whiteness would shield them from consequences—a narrative Emmons harshly rebuts.

• Consequences and Parenting:

  • Both Posobiec and Emmons urge that people should comply with police, challenge actions in court, and not in the street—offering basic guidance for protest conduct.

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5. Broader National Themes: Enforcement, Immigration, and Political Mandate

[27:30 – 29:30]

• Call for Mass Deportations/Enforcement:

  • Posobiec asserts mass deportations were a key campaign promise, and Americans "voted for this."
  • Quote [29:30, Jack Posobiec]:
    "We’re not pumping the brakes, we’re not pausing... The only way out is through. We have the initiative. We’re going to press the initiative."

• Legislative Challenge:

  • Taunts the left to introduce legislation to abolish ICE, doubting its popular support.

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6. Supreme Court Update: Trans Athletes in Women's Sports

[38:00 – 47:35]

• Supreme Court Case:

  • Panel (Erica Donalds, Paula Scanlon, Posobiec) discusses a Supreme Court case on whether trans athletes can participate in women’s sports.
  • Quote [39:31, Paula Scanlon]:
    "This is so silly to me, the fact that we have Supreme Court justices sitting there listening to arguments on is a man a man? Is a woman a woman?"

• Locker Room Experience & Safety:

  • Scanlon relays her discomfort sharing a locker room with a biological male, highlighting how teammates were told to "seek psychological services" rather than object.

• Title IX & Women’s Rights:

  • Donalds reiterates that allowing males in women’s sports undermines the original intent of Title IX and women's opportunities in athletics and life.

• Common Sense & Pushback on "Woke" Narrative:

  • Panel critiques the left’s focus on individual feelings over fairness and safety, recounting polling data suggesting widespread discomfort with current trans-inclusion policies.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [06:22] Jack Posobiec:
  “Stop using the left’s frame...You must state the truth when you speak.”
• [13:23] Will Chamberlain:
  “I don’t begrudge people for having Honda Pilots. I begrudge them driving it at ICE officers.”
• [15:23] Will Chamberlain:
  “In one video... evidence for four distinct federal crimes.”
• [17:01] Jack Posobiec:
  “There’s no optics. The DOJ didn’t choose to commit these actions. They chose to commit these actions.”
• [30:02] Libby Emmons:
  “They didn’t think law enforcement was actually out there being law enforcement. They thought law enforcement was out there to larp around with these activists.”
• [32:24] Libby Emmons:
  “They thought... they could go out there, shoot some TikToks...and still get home in time for the school bus.”
• [39:31] Paula Scanlon:
  “This is so silly to me, the fact that we have Supreme Court justices sitting there listening to arguments on is a man a man? Is a woman a woman?”
• [41:50] Paula Scanlon:
  “This guy was undressing in front of us, fully intact male, not once or twice, but 18 times per week. And we were told if we objected...we were the problem.”
• [43:48] Erica Donalds:
  “Women fought so hard for Title IX to ensure opportunities for our young women... Taking that away from them is absolutely not the intention of the law.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 05:00 — Minneapolis ICE officer story introduction
• 07:20 — "America First" meaning & mass deportations policy
• 10:00 — DOJ investigation into Becca Good, anti-ICE groups
• 13:00 — Legal analysis of crimes, Will Chamberlain
• 19:00 — Law enforcement, optics, and prosecutorial priorities
• 20:00 — Felony murder rule debate
• 29:45 — Libby Emmons on "LARPing" and activist motivations
• 32:24 — Social media/cultural influences and white privilege assumptions
• 38:00 — Panel on Supreme Court case: trans athletes in women’s sports
• 41:50 — Locker room safety and Title IX origins

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Summary & Takeaways

This episode delivers a combative and unapologetically right-leaning account of the Minneapolis car-ramming incident, doubling down on law enforcement’s side while urging a crackdown on anti-ICE organizers and agitators. The discussion extends to critiques of progressive activism, "LARPing," and the perceived dominance of identity politics. Legal complexities, such as the felony murder rule and prosecutorial priorities, are examined in depth. The latter part of the episode pivots to the national stage, connecting immigration enforcement to broader “America First” policies and the Supreme Court’s handling of hot-button issues like trans participation in women’s sports. The overall tone is defiant, urgent, and grounded in a law-and-order ethos, with frequent calls to double down on enforcement and statutory clarity.

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Transcript

[Jack Posobec]

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[Paula Scanlon]

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[Jack Posobec]

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[Paula Scanlon]

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[Jack Posobec]

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[Paula Scanlon]

Meanwhile, President Trump's national security team will.

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[Erica Donalds]

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[Jack Posobec]

This is, in essence, a federal invasion of the Twin Cities and Minnesota, and it must stop.

[Erica Donalds]

Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison sued the Trump administration, claiming that its deployment of federal agents and officers illegally oversteps the state's law enforcement authority, quote, endangering the public safety, health and welfare of all Minnesotans and provoking protest in the process.

[Jack Posobec]

What was Governor Tim Waltz doing to keep these officers safe and to bring order to the city of Minneapolis? The answer was absolutely, absolutely nothing. They describe being left for dead by the person who wants to be the vice president of the United States. You can use the term insurgency. You can use the term insurrection. You can use the term domestic terrorism. Mayor Jacob Frye, Governor Tim Walls, Attorney General Keith Ellison have deliberately, willfully and.

[Will Chamberlain]

Purposefully incited this violent insurrection, this violent.

[Jack Posobec]

Insurgency against Immigration and Customs Enforcement, against Border Patrol.

[Libby Emmons]

When are these people from countries all over the world, not just South America? They're coming in from all over the world, David. All over the world. And crime rates are down all over the world because of it.

[Will Chamberlain]

But let me just.

[Libby Emmons]

One of those, David. One of those people are going to be prosecuted. One of the people that burned down Minneapolis going to be prosecuted.

[Jack Posobec]

Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live on Real America's voice Folks, the breaking news out of Minneapolis is tremendous. Today is January 14, 2026 Anno Domini. What do we have? It's very clear the ICE officer suffered internal bleeding, internal injuries, when he was sideswiped by the car driven by a deranged anti ice agitator up there in Minneapolis just a week ago. This is why so many times when we see these things we say wait to get all of the information. Jonathan Ross is his name. The ICE officer, Iraq War veteran, combat veteran, someone who joined up, deployed through the National Guard, came back, joined Border Patrol, then later joined ICE, was been working for DHS for 19 years. And that is why when you look at his gofundme and his givesend go, he's raised. I believe it's. I checked it last night, it was just under $900,000. He's on his way, well on his way now, to breaking $1 million and he's going to have real medical bills on top of it now. Internal bleeding. And the question is, of course, if he's able to recover from these injuries the second time he's been injured on the job due to a car ramming attack. And we had the ICE director on here yesterday telling us that the car rammings have been up a thousand fold since this took place. Since all this took place. It's very simple. We are winning. They are losing. They're losing the narrative. They. They're losing the narrative left and right because America knows if. And the left knows this. Look, the left knows this. This is what's going on right now. The left is throwing everything they can at these situations because we've swung the narrative all the way back now we've pivoted the narrative all the way back from ICE agent murders protester to anti ICE agitator attempted to kill an ICE officer. Because that's what she did. And what did I tell you last week? I said stop using the left's frame on this. Stop. You must state the truth when you speak. Don't enter their frame ever. Don't ever give up. The fact of what happened that predicated all of these issues, every single one of them that took place. No, the officer was out there conducting operations, detention operations, interdiction operations. He's out there doing his job. He's doing his job. And these agitators came up and they interfered with those operations and then they crossed the line. Drive, baby, drive. Remember? And that got to the point where, unfortunately, this driver attempted to ram the individual with her vehicle. Did ram him by the way not just attempted did ram him and he suffered internal bleeding. This isn't a game, it's not a larp. It's not an augmented reality game and ARG or any of that stuff. No, it's not any of that. And so what have we learned? What we've learned now is that the left realizes that if we can go through the, this crucible, if we can go through this fight right now of getting the worst out, they're going to, they're going to throw everything they can. All the TikTok pages are running, oh, what about this? And oh, what about this? And oh, what about this? And Joe Rogan's up there crying, oh, I can't believe they had to use an officer to arrest somebody. I don't know why they're doing it. Joe Rogan's crying, crying, crying all over Spotify. If we do this once, we'll never have to do it again. If we do a thorough job, if we do a serious job, but only if we see the job through to the end. And the left realizes this, this is the end of the line for the leftist experiment at mass migration and illegal immigration into our country. To change our demographics, to change our voting, to change our economics. We're done with it. We're going to to have a home again, boys. We're going to have a home again. Right back. Jack Posovic. Human events daily.

[Libby Emmons]

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[Paula Scanlon]

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[Jack Posobec]

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[Will Chamberlain]

Why.

[Jack Posobec]

Why would you say I did that? And then. And then they said, would you talk to any lawyers about it? I said, like, yeah, like, some lawyers I know.

[Erica Donalds]

And.

[Jack Posobec]

And everybody's like, why are you asking me this? Can you please explain why you're asking me this? And they say, well, because apparently. And this is the breaking news, there is now a criminal investigation into Becca Good, who, by the way, is the false wife of Renee Goode. Because Julie Kelly's been out there scrubbing all of the records. They never got legally married, at least in any of the states that she's checked, and she's checked them all. What they had was a name change. So their names would. Their last names would Be the same, but not an actual marriage. She is now under criminal investigation for her actions that day, as well as her ties to these anti ICE groups, these antifa groups that she's been working with. Well, one of the lawyers that I discussed all of this with is Will Chamberlain of the Article 3 project, and he joins us now. How's it going?

[Will Chamberlain]

Always good to be with you, Jack.

[Jack Posobec]

So, yeah, I remember, you know, looking at all of this the other day, and I just called you when I was actually in Minneapolis still, and I said, my gosh, you know, everyone's talking about all this thing, but. But these are crimes. They're critic. They're committing crimes online. It doesn't matter, quote, unquote what side you're on. It matters what the law is. So, Will, does it surprise you that she could that she potentially or apparently is facing legal liability here?

[Will Chamberlain]

No, not at all. I mean, the really interesting thing is that, you know, from the get go, we knew that this was a good shoot. All you needed for that was the very first videos that came out that showed that Renee Goode's car was pointed directly at the ICE officer and when she hit the accelerator, that's all you needed. And you didn't really need anything else.

[Jack Posobec]

And Will, you were. You were not to. You're not going to say it, so I will. You. You defended that legal analysis quite handily on Piers Morgan yester.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yes. Yeah, I thought I did reasonably well in the face of some very bizarre arguments from people like, no.

[Jack Posobec]

And you didn't even have the information that came out today that in fact the officer suffered internal bleeding when the car hit him.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah. It's weird how, you know, getting hit by a car might really hurt. You know, it's only like 2 tons of metal or something. These people. I remember listening to Tim Miller in this, you know, like, pretending like, oh, he was never in danger. What's the big deal? He could have just gotten out of the way like a complete idiot.

[Jack Posobec]

It barely touched him. Like, he's just got a spider man himself, like.

[Will Chamberlain]

Being run over by a car.

[Jack Posobec]

Like it's a.

[Will Chamberlain]

You're weak.

[Jack Posobec]

Yeah, maybe because he got hit by a car six months ago and sustained serious injuries to both of his arms where. I mean, you've got very serious arteries and veins there where he heeded a lot of hospital. Hospitalization for it. And so, yes, obviously he's doesn't want to be hit by a car because it's 4,000 pounds of metal with a combustion engine. I believe that. Yeah. Honda Pilot Ooh, not a combustion engine there, by the way.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, well, you know, I don't, I don't begrudge, you know, people for having Honda pilots. I begrudge them driving it. ICE officers. Yeah. So this is, I mean, it's not actually that surprising. I mean, once you saw the video that the officer took with his cell phone, you saw that clearly the partner of the driver, this, this woman, Becca Good, committed a number of crimes. Just on, on tape, she, she revealed the existence of a conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement in that video. When she talked about how she was going to be there all day, and then she obstructed federal law enforcement in that she. Because she intimidated, through force or the threat of force, the officer. That's also a federal felony. Then she urged her partner to flee arrest, another felony, and then also urged her partner to flee by driving, which is urging her partner to commit an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon against a law enforcement officer. The most serious felony of the bunch. So, you know, in one video with a minute, you've got, you know, evidence for four distinct federal crimes. And it was sort of obvious that this woman should be charged, that she is a one of the primary reasons that this entire thing happened, and that Renee Goode took this foolish course of action, threatened the life of an ICE officer and passed away. So she needs to be held accountable for her crimes. That was obvious back then. Back on, you know, five days ago, I tweeted, quote, it is extremely important that DOJ prosecute all of Renee Goode's co conspirators. Everyone needs to understand that the only crimes committed were those by Good, her wife. At the time, I thought it was her wife, her partner, and all those who aid in and abetted their obstruction of law enforcement. Because that's the real story here. I mean, I think that, you know, law can serve a teaching function as well. There's a teaching function that needs to happen here whereby we and the Trump administration teaches the general public and the left that if you drive at law enforcement and you urge others to drive, drive, drive at law enforcement and they shoot you, law enforcement's not going to get prosecuted. But you might.

[Jack Posobec]

And what's, what's crazy about all of this is that you get. And we'll have Libby Evans on here in a second is. There's that video now as well, of Becca Good, the partner popping up. And, you know, this is like some weird. It's basically the. It's basically the 2020, or I should say Netflix version of thelma and Louise, because it's like a couple lesbians who decide to wage war on ICE officers. And she's sitting there going, why did you have to have real bullets? Because he's a real ICE officer. Because there's real jeopardy that he's in when he's on these situations. And because of people like you who keep ramming them with cars. That's why.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah. Yeah. What did you think would happen? What did you think would happen? I mean, these people are in la la land. And also, I mean, I'm willing to give this woman a plea deal if she reveals the extent to which people taught her to do these things. Right? Like she was part of this Ice Watch organization. And I saw some of the documentation coming out of that organization suggesting that, you know, there's some moderate amount of risk or low risk from trying to obstruct ICE officials. What are these people doing? I mean, this is all. These people should probably be brought up on racketeering charges because what they're trying to do is they're. They're lying to people in order to get them to violate federal law. And that's. That seems criminal, too.

[Jack Posobec]

It certainly does seem criminal. And these. And that's why, by the way, the DOJ is rightly opened up these criminal investigations. And, and look, you know, the deal and people. And I see people saying, what about the optics, Jack? What about the optics? This isn't about optics. There's no optics. The DOJ didn't choose to commit these actions. They chose to commit these actions. These organizations chose to commit these actions. Renee Goode and Rebecca Good chose to commit these actions. They are the ones who broke the law and committed these actions in Minneapolis and did so on video. Wasn't the DOJ, wasn't Pam Bondi, wasn't the U.S. attorney's Office of Minneapolis? Wasn't any of these places that dissented decided to commit these actions? No. You are the ones who are responsible for your behavior. And it's ridiculous. Well, because there's so many people saying, oh, they're playing this weird, like, meta reality game of, you know, we need to be careful about the optics here. And there's no, no, no, no. We need to apply the law equally. How did we get so far away from this?

[Will Chamberlain]

Correct. I mean, optics aside, obviously you need to prosecute the actual violations of law that occurred. You know, I've seen some people like, why isn't they're an investigation of the officer? Well, because the. There is no evidence that the officer committed a crime. And the evidence we do have exonerates him. So we don't need to do anything further. However, there is actually clear evidence of serious criminal activity. REBECCA goode, so it should be investigated. And moreover, I think these people who are worried about optics are thinking about this entirely wrong, even from the perspective of optics. The way you ensure that the optics are good is by making clear where the government's stance is and making and again, this teaching function that prosecution can serve, you know, people like Joe Rogan may look at that and think that the potential liability or Piers Morgan might look at that and think the potential criminal liability lies with the officer. They must be instructed, they must be taught that in fact, the officer did nothing wrong and the liability. Sorry, go. The liability lies with the Ms. Good.

[Jack Posobec]

The reason you have laws is to set those boundaries in society. Right back. Jack Posobic, Will Chamberlain, Human Events.

[Libby Emmons]

Talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack, where's Jack? Jack he's got a great job.

[Jack Posobec]

All right, folks, Jack Posobic, we're back live here, Human Events Daily. We're talking about all of this stuff going on in Minneapolis. The criminal investigation now into the partner of the agitator who rammed her car at a police officer, excuse me, an ICE officer there in Minneapolis. Will, also, one of the things that I asked about with Andrew Branka, talked with you about off air is this question of the Felony Murder Rule. And you know, the basic concept of the Felony Murder Rule is, is that if I have this correctly, you know, I'll probably try to, you know, explained in English for the folks listening, is that when you are committing a crime, if and you are engaged in partners with a crime, that if a death occurs in the commission of that crime, during the commission of that crime, that you are liable for that death, even if you didn't directly cause that death. So, for example, if your partner is shot and killed by police, you can be held liable under the Felony Murder Rule. That's sort of the general idea of it. Now, when we dug into Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota, we found that Tim Walls actually defanged the state Felony Murder Rule a couple years ago in 2023, because most, most states have this. This is a traditional law. However, because this was a federal officer, that means that the federal Felony Murder Rule would apply. And when you go to the federal statute, it actually says that murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Every murder perpetuated by a person lying in wait or listen to this committed in the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, robbery, et cetera, perpetuate as part of a pattern a lot about children all the way where. Where the effect of the death of any human being other than him who is killed is murder in the first degree. So escape is actually mentioned as one of the crimes that can trigger felony murder under the federal statute. Now, Will, when she says drive, baby, drive, is that not exactly what she is she is doing?

[Will Chamberlain]

I think, yeah, she's definitely fleeing a waffle arrest. And I'm literally sitting here thinking to myself, okay, does. Is. Does the federal escape statute apply to merely fleeing a lawful arrest? Because it obviously applies to people who are like convicted criminals escaping from prison or convicted criminals escaping the custody of a prison warden during a transfer or something. But there's an interesting question that I'm trying to figure out the answer to, and maybe I'll have it by the end of the segment of whether or not escape under the federal. You know, the federal escape statute includes fleeing from an arrest or if that's just a different distinct crime, which is just resisting arrest or fleeing arrest.

[Jack Posobec]

Yeah, and you're right. I'm sure they have separate separations there. But I mean, point being though, is we're pretty close, we're very close to triggering this, isn't she? She's right up on the line of it.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, we're not. We're. We're definitely looking at that now. Now, I just asked Grok this question. Grot me. And Grok is not flawless on this, but Grok doesn't think so. Grok thinks that that custody under the escape statute requires you to already be in confinement. So you know, that that probably means that pre arrest you're not in custody. And so try. It's a distinct crime and probably not therefore triggering the felony murder statute. But I might be wrong. Right? Like this is. That's just. That's just AI coming at you on a specific question. I don't know. I think, regard. You know, the funny thing is the felony murder thing matters, but one of the things that's. That's totally missing in this discussion, it was totally missing on peers yesterday too. And I did it too. Is there. There was this bizarre attempt to create an equivalence between the potential miss Policy mistakes that the officer made, which I don't even think he did. But just even assuming for the sake of discussion, it was a mistake for him to Be in front of the car that police policy says he shouldn't. And they're saying, well, well, he made mistakes and so did. So did she. It's like, no. One of whom might have not adhered to a best policing practice, and the other one committed multiple federal felonies. There's a difference that really is, is actually essential here. You know, if you're blaming the police officer, you're blaming him for not being in the best possible position that he could be. And honestly, it's kind of a hard thing to blame it for because it's a bizarre situation. Normally when you pull people over, they aren't parked across the middle of the road. They aren't obstructing a law enforcement investigation going on a few, few houses down. And what happened here? You had an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon by this woman. Oh, it's a mistake. A small act of defiance, as Jon Stewart would put it. No, no, it's a serious felony. Aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer can land you 20 years in prison. That's no joke. That's not a small act of defiance. And, you know, I think, I mean, obviously it's a tragedy that this woman died, just like it's a tragedy that any woman dies.

[Jack Posobec]

Yeah. John Stewart.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobec]

The small act of violence.

[Will Chamberlain]

Right. But I think it would have been another reason it would have been good for this woman to survive is so that she could have been put on trial for the serious crime she committed.

[Jack Posobec]

And put in jail. Let me, let me ask you about that because, because the point of a trial here as well. And, and to be fair, look, in that area, I think there's a real question of whether or not you could get a jury that does not commit jury nullification like we've seen in Washington, D.C. this is the same area, of course, where Derek Chauvin was charged. And that jury process was a complete joke, as we've talked about for years. And that being said, though, that being said, the fact that there should be a trial, the fact that she should be put on trial, what does, what message? You said that prosecution sends a message to society. As a teaching moment to me, I say to the Trump administration, to everyone else out there, this is the moment you do pun, perhaps pun intended, you do floor the gas in a legal sense. Right. You say, we're gonna go and actually enforce all of these laws. And you certainly see Stephen, Stephen Miller saying that to all federal law enforcement. Remember, you have federal immunity while in the conduct of your duties. It is really simple. The Administration is backing them fully. And I believe they should prosecute every single person. What is it, 18 USC 111, where they're just. They're obstruction of justice. It's constant obstruction of justice everywhere. Arrest them all.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, I think it's a very, very important teaching function for two respects. It teaches ICE officers that the administration has their back, that they don't have to be afraid of enforcing federal law as long as their conduct is lawful. And then the second thing is it teaches the general public and it teaches would be obstructors of justice. Like, you know, the idea here being you, you act like this and you get yourself killed by failing to, you know, comply with police orders. We're liter. We're not going to prosecute the ICE officer who killed him. We're not even going to investigate him because he didn't do anything wrong. But we will prosecute your co conspirators, even if it's your romantic partner who's more. Not only does your romantic will your romantic partner have to mourn your death if you pull a stunt like this, she'll also have to fend off a federal criminal prosecution and probably go to jail for it. And I think that's a really good lesson for everybody to learn.

[Jack Posobec]

Will Chamberlain. Where can people get your coordinates at.

[Will Chamberlain]

Will Chamberlain on X and follow the Article 3 project a3paction.com.

[Jack Posobec]

All right, check them out, folks. Right back. Libby Emmons with a hot new op ed about all of this Human Events Daily.

[Libby Emmons]

Jack, Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack.

[Jack Posobec]

Thank you.

[Libby Emmons]

What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who'd be getting policies.

[Jack Posobec]

All right, Jack Zobeck back Live Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily. And I'm just going to say it, I'm going to say it again. You people need to stop crying about the government enforcing the laws of the United States of America. We had a giant election about this. 2020 for the popular vote. What signs are we holding up? Mass deportations. Now, what did you think mass deportations meant? Vibes? Essays? No, no, it meant mass deportations. The American people voted for this. And Donald Trump, when he was on that campaign trail, he talked about mass deportations every single possible chance he was given, any interview, any stop. Even when he was sitting at Waffle house or the McDonald's. We're going to have mass deportations. We're going to have mass deportations. He would say it over and over and over, we need to do it. We need to do it. And they asked him, remember when they asked him what the cost was? They said, what's the cost, Mr. President? What's the cost? He said. He said, there's no cost that's too high. There's no cost that's too high because it's about keeping our country. That's why on this issue, above all other issues, we're not pumping the brakes, we're not pausing. We're not going to back down because some podcaster on Spotify is all crying about it up there. No, no, no, no, no, no. The only way out is through. We have the initiative. We are going to press the initiative. We are going to continue. The American people want this, and the laws on the books of the United States of America are wanting. And by the way, by the way, if the left wants to go and abolish ice, then by all means, by all means, introduce the legislation. Go to every single state, go to every single state legislature, every single state capitol, go to the federal government, Introduce your abolish ICE legislation. I dare you. I dare you right now. Introduce the legislation and let's see how it goes. Let's play the game you want to play. Let's play. I'm willing to roll the dice. Are you? Libby Emmons joins us now. Libby, you've got a great op ed up@human events.com All About LARPing and the the goods, who, by the way, Julie Kelly tells us, are not legally married in. In any true sense. There was actually a name change certificate, but not a marriage certificate that they've been able to find in any of these states. What is LARPing and why did larping go wrong? So badly wrong in this case?

[Paula Scanlon]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

So for all the gamers out there, they know what larping means. It's live action role playing. It's a word I learned from my son, who is, you know, 15. But basically my supposition here is that these two women, along with many other activists were out there playing at activism. You have Becca Good, the partner of Renee Good, after the shots were fired, saying to ICE agents, why did you have real bullets? They didn't think that law enforcement was actually out there being law enforcement. They thought law enforcement was out there to, you know, larp around with these activists. And it doesn't make any sense that this is what they should be doing, but they're encouraged to do this by democrat politicians, by celebrities, who go out there wearing their pins and buttons and donate to the aclu and then pretend that that makes them good people. And there's no reason for Americans to go out into the streets and protest law enforcement that's out there doing their jobs. And furthermore, I think it's really important to note that ICE wouldn't have to be out in the communities going door to door looking for people if the state of Minnesota wasn't larping as well, believing that they are not accountable to federal law. The state of Minnesota says that local law enforcement officers cannot comply with federal law enforcement actions. And that's absolutely crazy. If local cops were turning over illegal alien criminals to ice, then ICE wouldn't be out there in the first place doing this kind of stuff.

[Jack Posobec]

So, Libby, when we talk about larping the scene, I guess, or the video that's come out of this, that really strikes to me on this is when Becca Good, the partner of Renee Goode, is there on the street. And this has gone viral. It. It was something that came out during the wake of this, but people were so focused on the. The car ramming that they. They kind of missed this. She says. She actually said it was my fault. I told her to be here. But then she also added, why did it have to be real bullets? Why did it have to be real bullets? Libby, did they not ever stop to think about the consequences of their actions? Or are they just so wrapped up in the idea that they're fighting this quote unquote revolutionary charge and filming content for their tiktoks that they never actually stop to think about what could happen to them because they're breaking laws and in this case, committing violence.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I don't think they didn't think about the consequences. And I certainly know when my son was a newborn and there were protests and I was interested in going, check it out. In New York City, it was when it was occupy wall street was happening. I did not go. And I did not go because I had much greater responsibilities than going to see what the idiots were doing downtown, taking over Zuccotti park. So I don't think they were thinking about the consequences of their actions. I don't think they thought there were consequences to their actions. I think they thought, as you said, that they could go out there, shoot some tiktoks, you know, get that all set up and still get home in time for the school bus to drop the. The little boy off, who now, of course, is an orphan, which is terrible. And you have to think about the consequences of these things. They didn't realize perhaps that ICE is actually a law enforcement organization that is going out there doing a job, doing the job that they are mandated and required to do. They thought it was just, you know, some kind of joke. And what's interesting too is I was checking out what Joy Reid had to say about it because I always find her perspective pretty interesting. And what she said is that the activists believed that these white women would be protected by their white privilege, assuming that all ICE agents are just horribly racist and would shoot a black person on site, but would not shoot these white women. And so that was, I think, part of their understanding too. I think they're so indoctrinated with the bogus anti racism narrative that they believe that their white skin would protect them from the consequences of interfering directly with law enforcement actions.

[Jack Posobec]

So they actually believe that. That's, that's such an interesting. Because Libby, you come from this sort of world of the left. You, you, they believe, right, because in, in canonical wokeness that if you are white, then police will let you do whatever you want. Because that is what they believe. And so as, as that would then follow that their whiteness would be a shield to them from any police activity. But it turns out that it's never been a shield against police activity. And the same way that it turns out that skin color has never been the predicate of police's behavior, it's always been the behavior of the individual predicates what, what a policeman's off or policeman or policewoman's behavior is going to be. And to the same point, Libby, have a single one of these videos where, you know, I see it across X all the time where someone will say, oh my gosh, there's this terrible video. There's a 17 year old in a target, there's a woman who's being drugged from a car. There's this, there's that. And then you watch the video and they're either not complying, they're obstructing, they're blocking the road, they're getting in the face of officers, they're taking swings at officers. They're always doing something and the people just lie about it.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, they are always doing something and the people just lie about it. And it's important to know, yes, we do have first Amendment rights. We can go out there and protest our government, we can petition our government for a redress of grievances that is entirely within our right. But if you are out there and you are dallying with these lines and you are told to do something by police officers. Just comply with police. You're gonna get an arrest. You're gonna be a hero among your friends. You know, Mark Ruffalo is gonna sing your praises because you got arrested during the righteous cause. Just comply with police. It's the same thing that we all tell our kids if you get pulled over when you're driving, you know, comply with police. Do what you are told. Don't make sudden movements. Don't give the police any reason to, you know, be concerned that you are a threat to them. And this is something that we all know, right? I mean, this is a lesson that we could all take from 15 years ago. Remember when everyone was going around about how they had to give their black children the talk, right? Give these liberal white ladies the talk. Just do what cops say, and you're not gonna get shot.

[Jack Posobec]

You know, and Chris Rock used to have a great bit about this. You know, do you have any priors? You know, are you on drugs? Are you holding drugs? Don't do that. Just don't do that when you get pulled over. You better check before you do any of these things. And look, I always. I always say as well, you know, people, obviously, my kids aren't old enough for this yet. But I always just say, guys, you want to argue, argue in court. All right, you want to argue, argue in court, argue in paper, make your argument later. Don't do it on the street. Literally, just don't do the street. Because it's as simple as that. Because you don't want to be there. They don't want to be there. You're in a bad situation. Obviously, with ice, you definitely don't want to be there. And you know something else really simple. If you're driving around Minneapolis and you don't want to get involved with ice, then literally just go the other way. I was in Minneapolis for the whole time I was there. I didn't actually randomly run into ICE operations. They're seeking them out. They're following them. You got Will Stancil over on Blue sky talking about how his 2011 Honda Fit can barely keep up with the ICE convoys. It's ridiculous. It's a joke, and people are doing this on purpose. But here's the thing, folks. We need to rip the band aid off now. Get it done now, and we'll never have to worry about this crap again. Libby Emmons, where can people go to get your op ed and follow your work?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, I just want to say also that they're coordinating on signal chats and telling everyone where to go. My you can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons. You can check out all the work that we're doing@human events.com and I would be glad if you go read my.

[Jack Posobec]

Op ed human events.com check out Libby's op ed. We're going back to the Supreme Court next here on Human Events.

[Libby Emmons]

Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make a our country.

[Will Chamberlain]

Amen.

[Jack Posobec]

All right, Jack Pacific back live Human Events Daily. Well, folks, we also as as much as the immigration enforcement operations are important, as much as we've been focused on them traveling out to Minneapolis, still got field correspondents on the ground out there. We also have to walk and chew gum because there's this incredible ruling coming out soon. It appears from the Supreme Court a huge hearing that was held yesterday regarding trans athletes participating in women's sports. We threw together a kind of a quick impromptu panel here on all of this. We've got Erica Donalds from the America First Policy Institute. Erica, how are you?

[Erica Donalds]

So good. Great to be here. Yesterday was an amazing day to see so much support.

[Jack Posobec]

Well, it certainly was. And we saw everyone out there cheering at the Supreme Court. And then we've also got, of course, Paula Scanlon, she's a senior fellow over with the American Principles Project and also someone who was on the team at the swim team at UPENN with, with the trans man that really, really started all of this. Paula, what does it feel like to see this case go all the way to the Supreme Court?

[Paula Scanlon]

It feels really good. I think back then we saw that this was the only option. It was going to end up at the Supreme Court. The one thing I will say, and I've been repeating this to everyone, this is so silly to me, the fact that we have Supreme Court justices sitting there listening to arguments on is a man a man? Is a woman a woman? Should a man be included in the definition of woman? It's just insanity. But again, I'm glad it's being heard and I'm looking forward to a favorable decision coming up soon.

[Jack Posobec]

Well, I think that is going to happen. Erica, over at afpi, you guys have been putting out so much work regarding this issue and talk to us about how the trans issue really has become the tent pole issue for the leftist agenda.

[Erica Donalds]

It has. And unfortunately for them, however, recent polling shows that it has become a 7030 issue even amongst Democrats and independents where people do not want their daughters and the women in their lives to be put in danger with men and boys, not just in their sports and taking their spaces on athletic teams, but in their locker rooms where there are unsafe conditions for those young women. So America First Policy Institute, as you mentioned, as well as many others, and we're talking about gays, lesbians, Republicans, Democrats all together. You saw it yesterday at the rally coming together against this and asking the Supreme Court to uphold the original intention of Title ix.

[Jack Posobec]

Paula, talk to me now about so the one of the pieces, and I'm reading some of the transcripts that are coming out of the court that they're talking about is would this disturb laws and policies in other states that require schools to allow trans students to compete on teams that, quote, align with their gender identity? And certainly now the DOJ is trying to say that, you know, that this wouldn't affect that, that these bans wouldn't necessarily affect those. But Paula, look, you were in Pennsylvania, which, which was allowing this and is not one of the states where that is, that has a ban on it. Josh Shapiro, the governor there, certainly isn't going to be passing that anytime soon. Talk to me about what it was like to be on a team and forced to share a locker room with a biological male.

[Paula Scanlon]

You know, it's as horrible as people imagine it is. It's not just competitively unfair to be on a team with a man who's obviously much larger. I mean, this was a 6 foot 4 tall individ what we're talking about. But the locker room was something a lot of people didn't consider. Even my own parents, I don't think properly understood the fact that this guy was undressing in front of us, fully intact male, had done nothing to become a woman at all, undressing in front of us not once or twice, but 18 times per week. We were fully undressing in front of this man. And we were told that if we objected to it or had any problems with it, that we were the problem. And they told us to go seek psychological services. I mean, that's what girls across the country are being forced when this is going on. And that's why the Supreme Court case is so important not just for, for athletes and competitive fairness, but also for the safety and privacy of young girls in this whole country. And that's really what is riding on this case.

[Jack Posobec]

And that's, and that's. So that would be my response to the Blue State argument. And, and Erica, to bring you back in here, wasn't that the entire point of Title IX to begin with? This basic idea that, that women should have their rights protected?

[Erica Donalds]

Yes, it is common sense that women need their own sports categories in order to compete at all. Because taken to the extreme, allowing young men to compete on the women's team will eventually eliminate women from competition completely. Taking away their scholarships, their opportunities, their trophies, as has already happened. It's absolutely unfair. It's the reason why women fought so hard for Title ix to ensure opportunities for our young women. As a former only high school athlete, Paula, obviously incredible college athlete, and I just commend her for her bravery, her courage, and to stand up to this mob. I know this is what motivates women. It gives them confidence. We show that actually young athletes, young women athletes become CEOs, become leaders in business. And taking that away from them is absolutely not the intention of the law.

[Jack Posobec]

No, it's certainly not, Paula. You know, switching back to you here, when, when you look at these arguments, and I know that you've been looking at the case, it does look like the Supreme Court is going to come down here. Amy Coney Barrett, Clarence Thomas, getting in there. Do you think that the, you know, that the, the, those people supporting the, the trans students, did they even make their case?

[Paula Scanlon]

You know, watching the arguments yesterday, I felt like, I felt genuinely embarrassed. I mean, there's no other way to explain what's going on here. They even said, though, that they aren't prepared to define sex. If we can't define sexual. And how are we sex discriminated? Should we just have an open category? Why do we even have women's sports if nobody knows what a woman is? And the other side was not able to present that in their case. And so the bottom line is, man is man, woman is woman. There's a lot of complexities going on in this case they want to bring up, but that's really what this boils down to. And if we agree that men are men and women are women, case closed shut. Women's sports are for women. Let's move on. But for some reason, we have to talk in circles and pretend like nobody knows what a woman is.

[Jack Posobec]

Well, and we really saw this as well, because in so many of the instances, they weren't really talking about athletes. They were actually getting into these biological questions. They were getting into these deep questions. Erica, why is it that the left is so beholden to this issue?

[Erica Donalds]

Well, they are beholden to the radical side. Of their party, unfortunately. But they like to turn the conversation into individual circumstances. And we all have compassion for people who are confused about their gender and they feel excluded. But we cannot make laws around one individual's person or a man's feelings or a young boy's feelings. We have to make laws that are fair and equitable for everyone and frankly, that protect the safety, sanctity, and rights of our young women and girls. That's the way the law should go. That's the way I think the Supreme Court will rule on these. It will uphold states rights to separate the sexes when it comes to athletics. But we need to go even further and ensure a clear definition of Title IX when it comes to biological sex. How someone was born, that is where.

[Jack Posobec]

They should compete and makes. Makes perfect sense to me. It seems like common sense. Paula, I wanted to know if you had thought it was interesting at all that Judge Kavanaugh, some of his comments, given the fact that with his background, he himself was a coach of a girls basketball team.

[Paula Scanlon]

You know, I think it's so interesting when people try to bring that stuff up. But I will say it doesn't matter who's coaching teams. I've had male coaches. I've had female coaches. Women's teams are for women. Men's teams are for boys. It's. It's such a silly argument that we're even having this conversation. And the entire case hearing yesterday, the one thing going through my mind the entire time was, I cannot believe Supreme Court justices again are sitting here listening to something so silly. Studying to become lawyers, going through clerkships to sit there for a few hours listening to some whiny person complain about how they don't know what a boy or a girl is.

[Jack Posobec]

Yeah. And it's just amazing because they'll say, what background do you have? And he said, well, he literally was the coach of a girls sports team. He's like. And he's now on the Supreme Court. It's so amazing. And just like us on this panel, by the way. We've got. But we've got poso and I'm outnumbered here on my own show. I have to have to talk to the producers about who booked this panel. We check that out next time. Paul Scanlon, where could people go to get access to you and your coordinates?

[Paula Scanlon]

I'm pretty big on X, so make sure to follow me there. Paula Wise Scanlon. Keep up with what I'm up to.

[Jack Posobec]

Of course. Erica Donalds.

[Erica Donalds]

Yes. At Erica Donalds. Erica with a K. And Erica Donalds.

[Will Chamberlain]

Dot com.

[Jack Posobec]

All right. Make sure you're following them both. To absolutely champions for their cause, which is the cause of reality and the cause of common sense. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay short.