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President Trump facing outrage from Democrats tonight after demanding the arrest of a half dozen Democratic lawmakers suggesting they be executed for posting this video.
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We want to speak directly to members.
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Of the military where six Democrats, all with national security backgrounds, urge members of the military to disobey any illegal orders from President Trump.
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No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.
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Referring to the video, President Trump writing seditious behavior from traitors, lock them up and seditious behavior punishable by death. Later reposting a comment in which someone wrote, quote, hang them, George Washington would Democrats condemning the comments calling for extra security for the members involved.
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Just to be clear, does the president want to execute members of Congress?
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Let's be clear about what the president is responding to because many in this room want to talk about the President's response, but not what brought the president to responding in this way. You have sitting members of the United States Congress who conspired together to orchestrate a video message to members of the United States military, to active duty service members, to members of the national security apparatus, encouraging them to defy the president's lawful orders. That is a very, very dangerous message and it perhaps is punishable by law. I'm not a lawyer. I'll leave that to the Department of Justice and the Department of War to decide.
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President Trump agrees to release the Epstein files. He says he has signed the bill compelling the Justice Department to release its records about the sex offender. Also breaking here at 11, former Harvard president Lawrence Summers will take a break from teaching at the prestigious university after his continued relationship with Epstein Lord was exposed.
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Ambassador Mike Huckabee had a meeting with.
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Jonathan Pollard, a former U.S. citizen who.
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Was convicted and spent three decades in.
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Jail for selling state secrets to Israel. Did the White House know that that meeting was going to happen.
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Does the administration condone it?
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The White House was not aware of that meeting.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live from Washington, D.C. today is November 21, 2025 Anno Domini. Well, ladies and gentlemen, apparently it's treason season. What do I mean by that? I mean we have the shocking report that U.S. ambassador Mike Huckabee had a sit down meeting with a convicted traitor to our nation, Jonathan Pollard, and someone who stole US Classified information and sold it, sold it to Israel, but also attempted to steal, to sell it to Pakistan and even South Africa at the time. This man is a traitor. This man stole 1 million classified U.S. documents. And on a personal note, he's someone that I've always particularly reviled because he was a member, a civilian member of Navy Intelligence, and as a prior Navy Intelligence officer myself. Jonathan Pollard is someone that we've always looked down upon with extreme disdain. This is not someone that you want ever to associate with. This is not someone who has the best interests of the United States, of our allies, of our citizens, of our people, of our men, women and children in mind. He's not someone that we should ever be cavorting with. He was sentenced to life in prison. His prison sentence was commuted. He was then sent back to Israel. So what's going on here? See, this is the problem with this huge disconnect that's going on right now with Israel. When you take millennials, Gen Z, Gen X and the baby boomers, and there are people who think that just because he sold these secrets, our intelligence secrets are classified documents to Israel, that he should somehow get a pass. No, that's not how that works. Because if you go back and actually look at what happened, those documents partially were then given, or the information was then partially given to the Soviet Union during the Cold War, to the godless communists in Moscow. So walk me through the process here. Walk me through the process. Why it is that a traitor, not just a spy? No, no, no, no. That's not enough. A traitor to our nation gets to have a sit down meeting, which apparently included. And there's elements of this where they were trashing Trump, or at least he was trashing Trump, he was making fun of him. This is someone that's made numerous anti Trump statements in the past talking about Pollard here. And look, Mike Huckabee is somebody that I like a lot, someone that I have a lot of respect for. Absolutely. As a governor, I was a huge fan of his going back to 2008, even when he was running for president. I thought he was. I thought he was a fun candidate. I don't know what's going on here, but I do know this. The American people deserve an answer. Is he still in Tel Aviv? Is he still in Jerusalem? Has he stayed in Israel? Has he not been called back to Washington D.C. to explain what it is exactly that was going on? Did he have approval from the White House to do this? Did he have approval or not? You can't sit down with traitors. You can't get to pick and choose just because you have a personal opinion on the matter when you're a U.S. diplomat. That's not how it works. Not at all. There's no rogue diplomacy. And this is another example of the optics disaster that has gone on when it comes to whether or not this country and this administration are truly America first. Do you put America first or do you put other nations first? Jonathan Pollard is traitor. He a convicted criminal. And I'm sorry ladies and gentlemen, but when treason season begins, we're going to have to call it out. Jack Posoba, Q and Events Daily. Be right back.
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Hey, Jack.
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How are you, man? Welcome to studio.
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Glad to be here.
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You're, you're, you're in D.C. you're conducting a series of meetings. You know, some, some on the record, not off the record. I have to ask you, though, Kenny Cody, as you're here in Washington, D.C. have you met with any convicted traitors to our nation?
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Not to my knowledge.
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Not to your knowledge.
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Yeah.
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Sorry. So no Democrats.
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No Democrats.
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Right, right, right. Not Jim Comey.
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No, not Jim Comey.
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Not Jim Comey. All right. Okay, good. So keeping them clean over here, folks. Keeping them straight and narrow. But, Kenny, you're here. Walk me through the perception of the US Israel relationship among Gen Z, because this has become a huge flashpoint politically. It's something Charlie and I talked about a lot. It's something that I know Charlie was talking to the administration about. And I really feel like this is going to be one of those things that just sends the absolute wrong message to young voters.
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Yeah, I think with any kind of ambassador, any kind of conservative that prioritizes any other country over America first relations, it's not going to be something that Gen Z kind of approves of. Whether you're on the right or you're on the left, we don't want any kind of promotion of any other country above America first interests. Even if you're on the right, like, you're an American first conservative. I know you are. I know I am. But even if you're on the left, like, you know, unless you're like advocating for, like Palestine, Gaza, whatever, like, you don't want to see America prioritizing another country and especially meeting with somebody who for 30 years and was convicted literally for doing exactly that, spying on the United States on behalf of Israel. Fill in the blank. And I think that's the whole thing about the Gen Z. Gen Z is not pro Israel or anti Israel. They're not pro. Or Iraq, they're not anti Iraq. They are pro America. They don't want to see our funds, our interest going anywhere else besides to the America first mindset.
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And there's been this optics, I think, situation, shall we say, over the last maybe six months, maybe seven months, where a lot of people are saying, hey, what's going on with, with Israel? What's going on with this relationship? Why do we, you know, why are we seemingly getting involved in wars with, with, you know, at the behest of Israel? And, and then there are people who look at Jeffrey Epstein and they saw the Jeffrey Epstein situation, and I've talked about this at length, and they can see his ties to Ehud Barak, who was the former head of Israeli intelligence, he was also an Israeli prime minister. And whether. I'm not even going to get into the debate of what exactly he was doing. But optically, there are people in Gen Z who look at that and say, you see, you see, there it is. Right? That's the special treatment that these guys get. But we Americans, we are always ones coming last. Is that kind of the sense?
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Well, without a doubt. I mean, I think when you are having people that are struggling to afford to live or have a nuclear family household, they can't even afford to buy a house. And all of a sudden these elites are getting pandered to, they're getting funds, they're getting all kinds of special treatment like Jeffrey Epstein got by other countries. And then America is prioritizing those countries over their own homeland.
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And I always got to give credit. Prior to Trump's first administration, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't meaningfully dealt with by law enforcement at all in this country. And so you got to give Trump credit. His administration arrested him the first time and, you know, he died in prison. Okay. Again, not getting into it, but we know, yeah, you know, know, we know the story. But prior to that, he has all these relationships with the global elite. He's tied in with everyone and for some reason, he's just able to do this without facing any legal consequences. And it create. That's the perception. And Kenny, you've written about this forever. That's the perception that I think Trump ran against in the first place. Walk me through that. That really is this sort of like elites versus the people kind of dynamic.
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Well, the definition of populism is the people against elitism. And that's in that entire mindset is what got Trump elected both in the Republican primary in 2015, the general election in 2016, election stubform in 2020, and then again in 2024. And I think you have seen over this first year, it feels like Trump at this point has been president for like three years and we're only about 11 months in because of things that they have got done. But I think the reason he got reelected this time, that there was a new revitalization of the America first mindset in this country because of the rejection of elites. The reason Jeffrey Epstein is such a big topic within the American political sphere is because of the special treatment he got from the elites that he hosted, that he donated to and that he propped up. Like Bill Clinton, like Hillary Clinton and seeing Larry.
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Larry Summers.
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Larry Summers.
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Reid Hoffman from LinkedIn and PayPal and his Silicon Valley titan.
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Yes. And that elitist monster is what puts America last. When you're prioritizing the elites, when you're prioritizing other countries, you're prioritizing other diplomats, and then now prioritizing illegal, convicted spies within this, promoting Israel or promoting any other country over America. That's the kind of mindset that this country and our movement rejected.
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You know what? It is, too. And I think maybe there's a conflict of saying, you say America First. Right. And I hear some people saying america only. I don't think that's quite right either. What I think you need is American people first.
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Yes.
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It's. It. You have to keep people on the focus. Because if you don't do that, then you could say you can insert. Well, American companies first.
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Yes.
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Or American banks first. Or American politicians. Politicians first.
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Right.
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Insert your thing. No, no, it's American people first.
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Yes.
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The American people have to come first.
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Yes.
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And not. That's. That's opposed to the elites. That's opposed to everything. And I'm not. And you know those guys who say America only. I'm not against it, but I'm saying I think it doesn't quite answer the question.
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Right. And we are answering, as the America first movement are answering to the middle class to the working class men and women of this country that want to live in America, want to be safe to live in America, be able to afford a household, be able to afford clothes and food for their children. And we have to put those people first. Not the ones that are making millions of dollars and not the ones that are trying to destroy the country from the inside out. The government. We are prioritizing the middle class first. We're prioritizing the working class of this country that's struggling to meet paycheck to paycheck. And I think that the reason that you're seeing, you know, Epstein get talked about, you're seeing that, you know, this spy that the Israeli embassy hosted. I think you have to understand that that anger comes from us wanting to prioritize the American people first.
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Right? So the idea being that, you know, our national security is the whole, the whole idea. I'm not going to sit here and say that the, you know, you want to talk about elites who have a PR problem. The intelligence community is. Yeah, a little bit of an issue there. But so, you know, the way it's supposed to work, if you watch like, like the Netflix version and Amazon prime and all the propaganda films that could put out, it's, it's supposed to be, look, we give them this incredible power, this. And you got cash, you got Dan Bongino, you got Ratcliffe, Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi Gabbard, of course, who are all in there. Joe Kent, the great Joe Kent. They're all there and given this power. Because we want to be safe. Exactly. Because we want you to prevent, whether it's the cartels, whether it's terrorism, whether it's China, Russia, Iran, Paraguay, whatever, you know, Mexico, whatever country preventing us from harm. And so to be a traitor from that, to be a traitor, it's. You're not just putting your, yourself at risk. You're not just, you know, betraying your agency, betraying your country, you're betraying your fellow countrymen.
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Right?
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You're betraying our safety, you're betraying my children's safety. You're betraying my safety. Right. My parents safety. That's how we should look at this. And so a traitor to the nation, I mean, it's, it's almost like outside of actual violence, I don't know what could even be a greater crime.
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It's seditious behavior.
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It is seditious behavior.
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Like President Trump said.
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As President Trump said just yesterday, we had this whole, you know, think about.
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It like we loved it. I loved it too.
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I loved it.
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And then Caroline, she said, well, I liked it though. Caroline, we'll talk.
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Well, we have people sitting in jail right now because they had knowledge of January 6 going on, but yet were hosting people who had knowledge of you. US Interest that we're giving our information over to Israel or any other country that we're hosting and promoting at the Israeli embassy.
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That's exactly right. That's exactly right. You got people in jail or I think most of them have gotten out. But people were in jail for years. And then they turn around and they invite this guy into a US Embassy that moved into Jerusalem who's a traitor. And it just, I'm telling you guys, it creates this perception of you're whining and dining this, this, this guy because he's a member of this elite. And it's like, it's like when you go to the, you know, it's like we go to the amusement park or whatever and. And you're waiting in line and it's hot and it's sweaty and the kids are screaming and these guys just get the fast pass and you're like, how did, how did they get. You know, but. And it's like a secret fast pass no one else has.
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An elitist pass.
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An elitist pass. Folks, folks. Jack Posoba, Kenny Cody, we're here. Human events Daily. Right back. Today.
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You know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine.
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Jack. Where's Jack? Jack.
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Great job.
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Well, populism, to me, I've spoken about this for a lot of years. It is a tool. Populism doesn't have a necessary ideology. It's not complicated. Communist, it's not conservative. It is a tool that you use to talk to the people that are not elites.
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I should say that as you point that out, Mandami is going to be in the White House. So there's a popular, there is a communist who uses populism. Populism, but it's a different flavor of populism, where it's not like, hey, let's work to rise, you know, take the ground floor and raise it up and help out everybody. No, he's much more about taking the people at the top and killing them and castigating them and taking their stuff.
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Yeah. And selling that to the American public, like saying that to the constituency that this is a good idea, it's going to promote working class stuff and it's everything.
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But it's predicated on very much the same anger because we were going through the New York data and there were people, if you just look at the numbers, there are people who voted for Trump in 2024 and then all also voted for Madani in 2025. And if you don't understand populism, that would seem crazy to you.
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And it's obvious that New York didn't I mean, Andrew Cuomo was the most anti populist that I've about ever seen. Lilly came from a family that was elected. Lilly came from a family that was intrinsic in New York politics, and he was the anti populist. And he lost by a landslide. And I think that's what the issue the GOP needs to realize right now, and I've been singing the praises for years, populism is how you win elections. No matter if the end result is good or the end result is bad, that is how you win elections.
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But it's also how you have to govern.
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Yes, absolutely. Because you have to listen to the middle class. Because what populism is, it's having an ear to the issues that people are caring about. And like the affordability crisis that Charlie always talked about, that is the main issue. It doesn't matter what the political identification is, whether you're Republican or Democrat, the affordability crisis is the main problem in this country. Amongst young conservatives, amongst young liberals, amongst Generation Z, and even those that are a little bit older than Generation Z, those that may move to another state because of a housing crisis or they have to move for a job. The affordability crisis is going to be an ever present issue. And we have to have our ear to the ground and use populism to know what conservative solutions that we can find in order to win elections and in order to actually deliver on the promises that we have made to generations.
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And J.D. vance came out yesterday at that Breitbart forum and he said, look, I don't care what the politics are. We need a health care plan.
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Yes.
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And the fact that we, you know, he was talking about the administration and he was saying the fact that we've been in office for this long and haven't presented a health care plan to the American people, it is an issue because, you know, Trump ran against Obamacare. He's been running against it for years. But. And it's actually kind of funny, like, it's a little ironic the Democrats are attacking him for not having a replacement for it. It's like, so you admit that Obamacare sucks.
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You. We need to replace that.
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It needs to be replaced. Like, just wanted to point that out.
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Exactly.
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But. But at the same time, we all have to live under it. And, you know, I think what JD Van said is correct because you can't just complain about what's going on. You do actually have to step up.
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And offer something, offer action. You know, I wrote a column this week that was, that was kind of rejecting the Old William F. But Buckley form of conservatism and adopting that Pat Buchanan, Wilmore Kendall conservatism. And that includes actual action. Yes, very based. And that includes actual action over just talking points like you actually have to go out instead of going and debating and getting along with Democrats, we actually have to offer solutions and deliver on promises. And that's something that Buckley didn't really want to do. He wanted to go over and talk to everybody and get along with everybody. Buchanan wanted action. He wanted to go and listen and use that populism to the effect of actually getting policy done, prioritizing policy first and the America first mindset and delivering on the promises for the middle class and the working class people. While Buckley just wanted to get along their body and promote low taxes. And that's the new form of tax.
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So you need that in your optics. And I do think that the one big beautiful bill had a lot of those wins in it. But at the same time it got passed and it's like nobody saw anything change. Where was the tour? Where was that? Rich Barris came on here and said, I, I want to see President Trump on tour. I want to see him going to the factories and turning the lights back on. I want to see him, you know, going to these places. Don't just sit in a room and say, oh, this magnate from Japan says he's going to invest and now here's the Saudi prince and he's doing a trillion. It's like, okay, it's optics again. This is optics. You need to show the people that you are delivering that way when it does happen, you, you get it. Now we do have that on the deportation front. Yes, we do. Which I think is great. We need more of that, obviously. But at the same time, if you don't get those optics, people are going to say, well, I don't see any changes. All I see is this stuff involving foreign policy. One minute till the break.
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Kenny Cody and I think they can fill it in their wallets at some points. I know Caroline Levitt Talked about how 16% less on turkeys on Thanksgiving. And that's all fine and great, but especially with the affordability classes and just like the living conditions like in cities like they've been federalized like D.C. and you're sending the National Guard in these cities to keep the peace.
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Go out and talk to those people. Let me just say, let me just say inflation is still a problem and it's Bidenflation. Just keep saying that over and over. Bidenflation is Something we're still fighting. That's all you have to say. It is much easier to say than to try to tell people that it's not happening.
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Exactly.
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Because you know who did that? Joe Biden.
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Exactly.
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Right back. Jack Kobe, Kenny, Cody, another special guest joining us in the next block, Human Events Daily.
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And Jack. Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack.
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Thank you.
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What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who've been getting bullishers.
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All right, folks, Jack Kobek back live, Human Events Daily, Real America's voice, Washington, D.C. folks, cold weather will be here before you know it. And you know what? I realized something the other day. If the power goes out when it's really cold, I have no way to keep myself and my family warm. Isn't that crazy? In this day and age, you could actually freeze. But then I heard about the Vesta off grid space heater from our friends over at my Patriot Supply. This thing is great. It is a space heater that doesn't use electricity. It runs on something. It's called canned heat, which is an indoor safe fuel. With a Vesta stashed in your closet, you know that you can keep warm no matter what. And it doubles as a stove to boil water or cook food, which is just pretty cool. Now, the best part is you can get a Vesta and a bunch of other free gifts when you order the winter prep special from my patriotsupply. Just go to mypatriotsupply.com jack to see everything included. The offer won't last long and neither will this nice fall weather. So go to my patriotsupply.com jack today. That's my patriotsupply.com Jack. All right, folks, we got Kenny Cody here in studio opinion editor of humanevents.com, we're also joined remote via satellite. I love saying that. In our West Palm beach studio by Cliff Maloney of the phas. What's up, Cliff?
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Yo, yo. Glad to be here. Thanks for having me, guys.
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So, Cliff, Kenny and I have been talking about this and I think you, you know, coming from Pennsylvania as well, you know, it's, it's this story, it's a huge scandal. And I'm just going to say it, it really is. And it's something that's going to, I think, affect voters and it already is because it plays into an optic situation that's been happening with the administration. Mike Huckabee just invited a convicted traitor into the US Embassy in Jerusalem over in Israel and apparently sat down and had a meeting with him that the White House didn't even know about. Cliff, explain it for people who don't understand any of the background for low prop voters who I know you focus on and study for independents, for Gen Z millennial voters. Why does doing something like that drive a huge optics problem for the party?
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Yeah, well, let's start with the basics. You've said this earlier, Jack, and I want to repeat it. You can't meet with traders, you cannot meet with traders. That has to be the policy of the United States.
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What a concept.
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Serving what a concept, right?
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I asked Kenny that. Wait, wait, Cliff. I asked Kenny that because he's here in D.C. in a series of meetings. Cliff, you're down there in Palm Beach. I gotta ask man, have you met with any traders while you're there?
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That's a big fat no.
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All right, excellent.
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Look, I think, I think my answer is this. In the battle of trying to reach people, and Kenny said it earlier, I think he's exactly right, you have to hit working class on working class issues. And one of the biggest issues and just ravaging debates of our time is where America should stand, stand with Israel. Regardless of what side you're on, to have somebody in the position that Mike Huckabee is in inviting this convicted traitor, it just, it just really plays into that whole argument that maybe we're not the party that stands with the working class. And I think Donald Trump has done a great job when it comes to some of these issues, these populous issues that put America first to make sure that working class blue collar Americans get it. And so when we talk to people at the door, Jack, this is going to make the conversation tougher. Stories like this, developments like this that show that we're doing backroom deals with some convicted traders from foreign countries. Regardless of what country it is, that's not playing in America first agenda. So I think this is a major problem and I think we need to make sure we don't have any more mistakes like this moving forward.
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That's so perfect the way you just said that. He literally held a backroom meeting with a convicted traitor to the United States. And, and, and Cliff, I just want to say the way that Kenny put it earlier, you know, it, it does just make it look like there's two tracks again. It makes it look like there's an elite track for certain groups of people and there's one other track for all the other rubes. And isn't that the exact same thing when you go out there, when you're knocking on doors? That's the exact message that we're trying to, to fight, fight against.
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Yeah.
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And look, 2024 was the proof in the pudding that authenticity is what most Americans care about. Right? That's the battle you're referencing, Jack. The battle between authenticity and elitism, between real Americans that go out there, that do the work, that actually make production here in the company or here in the country possible versus those that are in their bubble, that are the elitist, that look down on working class Americans. And so I think right now, that is the battle in 24, we threaded the needle. We took a billionaire from New York, and because that's who he is, Donald Trump, we showed the American people that Republicans are the party of authenticity. That's going to be the battle when it comes to messaging in 2026. It's going to be the battle when it comes to winning the White house back in 2028. But it's not an easy one. And Democrats for years have dominated Republicans by using so many of these kitchen table issues that we beat them on in 2024. We cannot let up on that. We got to keep talking about the price of eggs, the price of gas, what the value of money is in this country, closing the border to put American citizens over illegal immigrants. These are the key issues. And when we have developments like this, it makes it so much tougher to prove that we are the party of authenticity.
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Kenny Cody, just a quick question. Are you a billionaire from New York City?
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Far from it.
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You are not. Okay. And yet you're in East Tennessee. And correct me if I'm wrong, but East Tennessee was a little bit pro Trump. Right?
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As strong as pro Trump as anywhere in the. I'm from the county. That was 8812.
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8812.
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Yeah.
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So. So why is it then that a working class area like that, rural area like that would go for a billionaire from New York? Because it's. Cliff says, you know, this seems like.
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A mismatch because of populism, because of selling middle class, working class issues to people that desperately need it. That's all my county is. We're all school. We're all school teachers. We're factory workers. We're working class Americans. I guarantee there's not a billionaire within 50 miles, potentially, maybe not Knoxville, of a billionaire existing even close to Cott County. But we know that Donald Trump listened to, to Our people. We were concerned about our health care. We were concerned about our losing our jobs to, you know, sending our jobs into China, you know, factories moving out, which happened, actually, to my county. ConAgra moved out about 10 years ago and cost 500 jobs, which is a huge job loss in my county because of offshore, because of sending jobs to other nations. And I think that with this trade war with, you know, using populist issues and being able to capitalize, I can't focus on the affordability crisis going on in the country. That's how you listen to people just like mine.
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Yeah, Cliff, what. What Kenny saying, I think, makes so much sense now. I don't know how many operations you have in Tennessee, but look, in Pennsylvania, that's what we hear all the time, isn't it?
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Well, I mean, I'll take some credit. One of our biggest wins was also one of the largest men I've ever worked for. That's Glenn Jacobs.
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Oh, that's right. Right. That's right.
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Out of Knox county, who I know Kenny knows very well. So we. We really appreciate Glenn Jacobs. And Kenny's right. I mean, the people of Tennessee, it's very, very representative of the people of Pennsylvania. You know, when you get out into the suburbs and especially into the T of Pennsylvania, it's the same thing, guys, this is not reinventing the wheel. Now, politicians and a lot of the consultant class try to make this out to be something that it's not, which is that it has to be the perfect message, and it has to be good candidate quality, as Tyler Boyer always calls them out for those lies. No, we just have to do the work to connect with people where they're at. They're trying to take their kids to soccer practice. They're trying to put food on the table. They're trying to pay their mortgage. And so these America first policies, they resonate with the American people, but it's on us to make sure we can show the difference between what America first is and. And some of this radical Looney Tunes stuff on the left.
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Well, Cliff, and let me say this, too. When it comes to those people as well, I mean, every issue just mentioned, right, There was economic issue. They vote with their wallets. These people clearly do. When it comes to trust, though, are these. Are. Are these a particularly trustworthy group of people when it comes to, I don't know, politicians.
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Well, let me. Let me answer this. I mean, my. My favorite moment, I think I was with you on Charlie Show Jack, is when Charlie said, cliff, how does a Ron Paul Libertarian end up becoming the America first guy running Trump's ballot chase effort in Pennsylvania. Yeah, and what you just said, when it comes to trust, Jack ended up being one of the number one issues in 2024. Kamala Harris cares for they them and Donald Trump cares for you. Right? When you are cutting the private parts off of young children and thinking that that's okay. My trust for any other policy positions you want to have, any other advice you want to give me as a citizen of this great country. I stopped listening the trust issue because of the trans woke nonsense makes it so tough for normal blue collar voters to take some of these radical Democrats seriously. So no, I don't trust them.
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Well and then. But this is what I want to say though is that, and as maybe I'll say it, it's a warning, right? This is a warning to any, anyone who's using populism, who's looking at the coalition. If you lose that trust, if you start appearing inauthentic, if you start looking like you're dabbling in these elite games, like saying, oh, I don't know, inviting a convicted traitor to have dinner at the embassy, right, you lose that trust, you lose that authenticity. And by the way, these people, I know them, I've worked with people like this, I grew up around people like this. They want to hate you, they want to mistrust you. They're not a trustworthy group of people. They usually sit there and say, ah, you know, that's all the inside game. You know, I got to look out for me because nobody else is going to look out for me. That's the mindset that you get. So someone comes in and promises everything they say, okay, we'll give you a shot. But they're, they're waiting for that one moment to say, I'm dipping, I'm out. Jack Kasoba, Kenny Cody, Cliff Maloney, the Monster Mash panel of MAGA is here this Friday afternoon on Human Events Daily. Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it.
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And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
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And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again. Amen. All right, Jack Selbuker here live. We got the Monster MAGA panel here on Friday afternoon on Human Events Daily. We got Kenny Cody, we got Cliff Maloney. This is, look, if you want populist nationalism, look no further. But this is what I want to say. And Kenny Cody, in our last segment I want to give you a chance to respond to what I was saying that this is. You know, the flip side of populism is if you start looking like you're trending in an elitist direction, they are on you. They are on you.
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Yes. And also they look at alternatives. So if somebody does not use populism in the correct manner and actually listen to the working class, the middle class, what happens after that? Oh, who else is using populism? Is it a Democratic solution or Republican solution? They do not care. Whoever is listening to them and providing some kind of solution, conservatism, liberalism, progressivism goes, Communism goes out the window for those people and those voters because they actually have somebody that's listening to them.
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They don't care. They don't care about the isms. They care about the money. They care about the dollars. Look, go look. Go and look. By the way, what do you see in Michigan? Slotka. Everyone saw the crazy Slotkin video this week, but what else did she do? She went up in Michigan in front of her voters and she said, I'm declaring a housing crisis in this country. She's declaring a housing crisis. Then what do you see in Ohio that's going on right now? You got Dr. Lockdown who's running against Vivek Ramaswamy, but Dr. Lockdown, Amy Acton, what does she start to do? She's campaigning against H1BS and she's using support for H1BS as a ways to say that I'm for the people first and you're not because of your position on this, which isn't even a. It's not a state issue, it's a federal issue. But she's using it to take that mantle of populism. Kenny, did the Democrats realize how powerful this is and is there an opportunity then for them to come in and snake it away from the Republicans?
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I think there is an opportunity. If that focus gets lost and that concentration on the working class and the ones that are going to the ballot box and those low propensity voters like you just talked about too, if that's lost, Democrats can absolutely use it. We saw Bernie Sanders use it in 2016 when he was. He was one of the leading candidates. We saw him use it again in 2020 until Clyburn sweeped in and say Biden may have been the nominee in 2020.
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Sanders sold out. He's at five mansions later. But he showed that there was a path.
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Yes, absolutely. Populism is not, again, not a Republican or a Democratic pathway. It is a path to victory, no matter which way that you want to slice it. And if we continue to fail on efforts and prioritize foreign policy over domestic policy, if we're trying to forget about the working class American that is responsible for going to the outbox, because like with optics like this, like with foreign policy, they there's a lot of low Princip voters that don't care that much. But when you falter on something as bad as this and hosting a spy in an American embassy, that's something lower. Pensi voters are going to say that's kind of, that's kind of bad, isn't it? Like Cliff.
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Cliff. So look, you mentioned the trans issue, but I think the Democrats have kind of understood. They say, you know what, we're going to move away from that. We're going to get back to kitchen table issues. They're talking about, you got Dr. Lockdown's talking about H1BS in Ohio, using that as a cudgel against Ramaswamy. You got Amy Slot in there or Elise Lock in Michigan talking about the housing crisis. This is going to be the conversation when you're talking to those persuadable voters at the doors, isn't it? Yeah.
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And look no further than New York City, guys, Right. I mean, you're talking about how do they take populism against us? Obviously, I'm not trying to say that we have any interest in socialism, but take the themes of populism, which is it's the little guy versus the man. Right. It's the people at the bottom versus the machine. And I just think that New York proved that it can be a weapon of the left. Right. That was mom dummy's whole message. I don't agree with an inch of what that guy says, but it just proves what you guys just said, which is the left can take this idea of being the people pushing back against the establishment, being that rebel who's going to stand for the little guy. And I think you're seeing that and yes, Jack, at the door with all the voters that we talk to, that's what they want to hear is they're, they're, they're focused on their family, they're focused on things they care about. They want to hear that somebody's going to care for them. They want to hear that somebody's not going to be your typical politician. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's a partisan issue right. Now, obviously we're usually trying to get Republicans, engaged Republicans to get involved and to take action, but it is that message that what are you going to do for me? And that's different from what a lot of politicians say, because a lot of them do a lot of talking, a lot of this, but not a lot of action that actually stands with the American people.
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I think you're right. I think I love that idea of action. So, Kenny, walk through some things I mentioned, you know, going on tour, going to factories if you have the opportunity, showing it, you know, opening up a factory. What else can you think of?
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I mean, I think, like, using a lot of, like these events that you're going to. And listen to the. To Generation Z. I mean, there's a reason that they trend in conservative.
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Are you saying. Are you saying Trump should hold Gen Z listening events?
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C
Yeah, honestly, potentially. I mean, like a town hall. Yes, a town hall or Trump Fireside chats and do.
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Wait, wait, do Q and A's.
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C
Q and A's. Fireside chats.
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What about. Wait, wait, Fireside live streams.
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I love it. There you go.
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I love it. I mean, just listening to Generation Z, you. You saw them shift drop more than any other time in American history in 2024. And that Pat Buchanan mindset, going out and saying, this is what we're going to do. We're listening to the people and this is the action that we're going to take. That new mindset is the only way to not only win. Generation Z gets conservative, but keep them conservative.
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Trump's got a huge TikTok account. Yes, he's got a massive TikTok platform, but has he ever done a live on there?
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C
He needs to. And he worked with Aiden Ross, like, whenever he went on that.
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He went on.
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He's going on other ones.
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Yeah, he's never hosted one, but he.
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Hasn'T listed one himself. And he would be amazing somebody. Cliff, we got to call Bruce Awitz and. And we're gonna. We're gonna take care of this.
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C
Yes.
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Get. Get on there. Get. Get Baron in there. Right? Get Baron in there.
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He's.
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He's back in the White House. I know we met.
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Fire. Let me. Let me give credit to Poso. Fireside live streams right here at the maga. Would you call us? The Monster Match maga.
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Monster Mask Monster Mash. Yeah, the Mega Monster Mash on Friday night. We have to do this on Fridays. Oh, yeah.
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Anytime.
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More often because. No, think about it, right? You know, you just do. And by the way, that's got to be one where. Where he's got to. You've got to take that incoming. You've Got to take that incoming. You've got to be open and you know, show that you have the ability that you're listening. Show that you're listening. I would even suggest go, you know, go, go, go to places. Right. Set up listening tours and, and make it so it's, so it's Gen Z.
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C
Go and meet people where they're at legit, like physically. And with last year you set it.
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Up on a college campus, you could set it up, you know, something like that where you, you're just going in and, and we saw him do this, we saw him do this to great effect in 2024 where he was going to these places and, and setting it all up and it was, it was just great. I think it was great.
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C
Well, and I think using like even some of the administration officials should be to able going out and doing that, using alternative media because that's how Generation Z gets their news now. They're not getting it off of Fox News, cnn. They're getting it off of networks like this and social media.
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But there's no bigger influence. People talk about the Trump influencers, right? There's no bigger Trump influencer than Donald Trump.
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C
Exactly, exactly. And him utilizing those kinds of tools I think would do so much, so much effect. I mean, you said he's following on TikTok. That's directly actually one of the best.
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Ones that he did the other night. I forget was it Monday Night Football or the other night and he was.
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C
In the booth, he was, he was live commentating the game like this, third and seven. That was great.
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Yeah. Stuff like that where you're just out in the culture and he loves it anyway and, and, and, and, and look, you know, as, as a guy from, from Philadelphia area. Let me tell you something. The people love football.
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C
Oh. From the sec, you know, go Vols. I mean that I'm a season ticket holder. I'd love to see him attend SEC football games, go out and, and meet, go to the Gino, say the P agents or something like go.
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Because Pete, Pete would go down. Pete Heath.
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C
Oh yeah. That's the first time I met Pete Hex. He's a fellow ball fan like me and he went down there and he was smoking his cigars with his comment. He didn't even sit in the skybox. He was in the crowd watching his team win.
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Maybe, maybe we got to get the Secretary of War to bring POTUS down there.
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Absolutely.
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Hold some listening sessions, be with the people. Look, I get it. It's, it's, it's, it's a job but it's the greatest job in the world. Guys. Did we, did we lose cliff? Is that, did cliff go down?
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I'm here if you guys can hear.
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Me I got a message that we lost you for a sec. Clifford, we're just about out. Where can people go to to keep up with all of your travels and.
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Everything you're doing on x at maloney. On x at maloney post. So I'm going to come back. We got some big announcements for 2026. We're just getting started.
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Be here, man. Kenny Cody. Where can people follow you?
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C
They follow me. D Cody TN on truth social and and x and go find me on human events.com for all of our opinion columns.
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It's cool you came in today, man. First time.
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C
First time to meet you, man.
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All right.
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All right.
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Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay. Sam.