Live from the Pentagon: NYT Finally Reports on Minnesota Fraud Scandal Under Tim Walz

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: Live from the Pentagon: NYT Finally Reports on Minnesota Fraud Scandal Under Tim Walz
Podcast: Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec
Host: Jack Posobiec
Guest: Liz Collin (Alpha News)
Date: December 2, 2025

This episode centers on the recent national attention brought to Minnesota's extensive social services fraud scandal—previously uncovered and reported by local journalists but now acknowledged by major national outlets, including The New York Times. The discussion dives deep into the scope and historical timeline of the fraud, the complicity or inaction of state leadership (particularly Governor Tim Walz), the repercussions on Minnesota’s political landscape, and the alleged connections between fraud proceeds and overseas terrorist financing. The episode features investigative journalist Liz Collin, who provides inside context and details from years of reporting on fraud in Minnesota.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mainstream Media's Delayed Reporting and Political Implications

• [03:12] Liz Collin: Reflects on the "whirlwind" as the New York Times finally covers the Minnesota fraud scandal, which has been ongoing for years. She points out that local reporters and state employees flagged these issues long ago, yet state leadership and local media, notably the Star Tribune, largely ignored them.
• The role of national media: National coverage is finally sparking federal action, including investigations from the DOJ and the US Treasury, and raising questions about Governor Tim Walz’s leadership as he seeks a third term.

“You have originally the New York Times finally acknowledging…this rampant extent of fraud in Minnesota over the weekend. Again, we're talking multi, billions of dollars in fraud through multiple social programs in the state at this point.”
— Liz Collin [03:12]

2. Minnesota Department of Human Services (DHS) Employees Sound the Alarm

• An X (formerly Twitter) account operated by hundreds of Minnesota DHS employees publicly blamed Governor Walz for ignoring their warnings about fraud. After this, the account was deactivated briefly, drawing national attention.
• [03:12] These employees reportedly approached the governor years ago to stop seen fraud but were dismissed.

“These Department of Human Services employees...brought this forward. And it sounds like their concerns were ignored according to what they're posting on this X account.”
— Liz Collin [03:12]

3. The Feeding Our Future Fraud Scheme and Jury Tampering

• Minnesota’s largest COVID funding fraud: Over $250 million stolen under the guise of feeding needy children. As of this episode, the 78th defendant has been charged.
• Jury bribery episode:
  • One juror received a $120,000 cash bribe left at her doorstep in a Hallmark bag. The woman who delivered the bribe has a criminal history, including insurance fraud and leaving the scene of a DWI.
  • The bribed juror reported the bribe, was removed from the case, and all verdicts have been guilty.

"You had $120,000 cash, Jack, left on a juror's doorstep in that trial, left in, like, a Hallmark bag...she was picked up finally, I think, after it was a couple of years...now she's out again. Many people are just saying, this is enough."
— Liz Collin [07:39]

4. Cultural and Racial Dynamics in Prosecuting the Fraud

• Weaponization of race:
  • Reporting and prosecuting Somali perpetrators of fraud was suppressed out of fear of being seen as racist.
  • A defendant justified bribery as part of "our culture," highlighting the cultural sensitivities entangled in the case.

“This woman...has taken the stand in her trial to say, this is our culture? Those were her words...As if some way to excuse this bribe. And it's really made a mockery, I think, of the Minnesota justice system as well.”
— Liz Collin [09:00]

• Response to Trump’s crackdown:
  • Minneapolis city leaders, led by Councilmember Jamal Osman, held a press conference condemning President Trump's response as racist and xenophobic. The same Osman was connected to nonprofits implicated in the fraud.

5. Allegations of Terrorism Financing

• The US Treasury is investigating whether fraud proceeds were funneled to Al Shabaab, a Somali terrorist group (based on reporting by Chris Rufo for City Journal).
  • The US government is treating the fraud not just as crime but as potential terror financing, thus unlocking more powerful investigative and prosecutorial tools.

“US treasury is investigating allegations that ...Minnesotans tax dollars have been diverted to the terrorist organization Al Shabaab.”
— Jack Posobiec [13:10]

• Fraudsters’ methods:
  • Money often sent to Somalia/Kenya; perpetrators expect to serve prison time, knowing the funds cannot be recovered and may benefit them after release.

"We've heard before and reported before how this money has been funneled to Somalia, has been funneled to Kenya, and you know, it's long gone by the time that some of these investigators have caught up to the fraud."
— Liz Collin [14:35]

6. Governor Tim Walz’s Knowledge and Response

• Governor Walz claims to have cracked down on fraud, but reporting suggests it was federal, not state, prosecutors leading the efforts.
• Walz allegedly avoided creating an independent oversight position, preferring an office under his control. The tangible results of his anti-fraud efforts remain questionable.

"He had the power in the legislature to...create sort of this separate position, but it was clear that he did not want someone to take a look at that that he would not control…"
— Liz Collin [16:56]

7. Grassroots and Local Investigative Efforts

• Alpha News and citizen action:
  • Local residents are now conducting their own surveillance and sharing tips on suspected fraud.
  • Alpha News has compiled years of reporting and is willing to assist federal investigators.

"There is not a day that goes by that we do not receive a tip...people are...setting up surveillance cameras themselves....The citizens certainly deserve better here."
— Liz Collin [18:28]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the mainstream media's belated coverage:
  “It just seems the New York Times wasn’t able to find out any of this information, you know, during the election… How strange.”
  — Jack Posobiec [05:07]

• On the scope of the scandal:
  "It's the 78th defendant charged just last week. 78th in the Feeding Our Future fake meal scheme that's gone down as the largest Covid scheme in the country."
  — Liz Collin [05:38]

• On the potential for terror financing:
  “Hard working Minnesotans’ tax dollars have been diverted to the terrorist organization Al Shabaab.”
  — Jack Posobiec [13:10]

• On the cultural excuses for fraud:
  "This is our culture. This is what we do. As if some way to excuse this bribe."
  — Liz Collin [09:00]

• On the impact of mass migration:
  “When you import a group of people from a part of the world where scamming and cheating and fraud are part of the culture, then that is the culture you are going to import. This is Third World culture...”
  — Jack Posobiec [19:39]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:12] — Liz Collin details the timeline and political context of the fraud scandal
• [05:07] — Media’s late arrival to the story and political ramifications
• [07:39] — Feeding Our Future fraud, jury tampering, and details of criminal proceedings
• [10:09] — Dynamics of race, culture, and silence around reporting fraud
• [13:10] — Terrorism financing allegations and the US Treasury’s involvement
• [16:56] — Governor Tim Walz’s response analyzed
• [18:28] — Alpha News’ efforts and willingness to collaborate with federal authorities
• [19:39] — Jack Posobiec on imported cultural values and their social consequences

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Resources & Follow Up

• Reporting on Minnesota’s fraud: AlphaNews.org
• Follow Liz Collin: @lizcollin on X (Twitter)
• Human Events Daily Podcasts: Apple, Spotify, and other platforms

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This summary captures the episode’s major angles: widespread social services fraud in Minnesota, its delayed national acknowledgment, the complicity of local political and media institutions, community and grassroots responses, and the broader debates around culture and immigration. The tone is urgent, skeptical of state leadership, and critical of mainstream media’s handling of the story.

Transcript

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[Liz Collin]

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[Liz Collin]

Well, Jack, thanks for having me back on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I appreciate it. Liz, what do you make of the president and I believe the DOJ now all announcing that they are going to launch an investigation into this fraud?

[Liz Collin]

Yeah. Wow, what a whirlwind. And it has been Minnesota making national news yet again, Jack, just as you said, basically for days at this point, for all the wrong reasons, I should say as well. But you have originally the New York Times finally acknowledging, acknowledging this rampant extent of fraud in Minnesota over the weekend. Again, we're talking multi, billions of dollars in fraud through multiple social programs in the state at this point. We also, interestingly enough, have had this, this X account that's, that's been public for years now, but it consists of hundreds of state employees. And this weekend they solely placed the blame on Governor Tim Walls very publicly doing that. These Department of Human Services employees, it's about 400 of them that make up this X account that they went to Governor Walz years ago hoping for some sort of partnership in stopping this fraud that they were seeing. You know, a lot of these people are actually writing the checks and doing the checks and balances or trying to do so. And they saw so many pro, so many problems, I should say brought this forward. And it sounds like their concerns were ignored according to what they're posting on this X account. Then you have this account deactivated for several hours Monday after calling out the governor specifically that post being seen tens of millions of times. And then yeah, of course you have President Trump weighing in with some choice words about the governor over the weekend, Elon Musk weighing in on things here in Minnesota. I think that you kind of see a bit of a sense of relief. I guess we're going to see if something is actually done. I think many Minnesota taxpayers are just thankful that some more people here are willing to actually take a look at this. You know, our, our reporting does date back years. In fact, we have a, an entire page dedicated to Fraud [e-mail] you'll see stories there. They've been stacking up for years. But finally, is someone willing to listen? Will something be done? That is the question many Minnesota taxpayers, I think have at this point. Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Liz, this is amazing too because we've also seen just in the last few days, the New York Times of all places is coming out and reporting a headline that heretofore you would only find at Alpha News how fraud swamped Minnesota's social services system on Tim Waltz's watch. And what's so interesting about this is, gosh, it just seems the New York Times wasn't able to find out any of this information, you know, during the election, which we just held, where this guy was the vice presidential candidate. How strange.

[Liz Collin]

Yeah, I remember being on your show, Jack, and talking about fraud. That was one of the many frauds, you know, I think, perpetuated on this, this governor's watch. I put out a book three years ago now. It's been. It's called They're Lying, the Media, the Left, and the Death of George Floyd. Again, who is one of the big theys here in Minnesota? Well, that would be Governor Tim Walz we've talked about before. It's the 78th defendant charged just last week. 78th in the feeding Our Future fake meal scheme that's gone down as the largest Covid scheme in the country. The New York Times does some ext reporting about that. But you're right that the timing is very interesting. Here you have Governor Walz running again now for a third term in Minnesota. Some have publicly called for him to resign in the wake of a lot of this reporting. So I think we're gonna have to see how this all plays out politically. You have a very crowded Republican field. Nice to see, actually, a lot of people willing to jump in to try to do something about this, but certainly a lot of frustration. And you see it on so many levels. But interestingly enough, and I think this is part of the problem here in Minnesota, Jack, that I know I've spoke to you about this before, but you have the mainstream media still in Minnesota. They have not even reported on this X account at all in these last few days. And instead you have these national publications picking up what these state employees in Minnesota are saying and have been saying since October of 2022. But again, you have that the Star Tribune, Minnesota's largest newspaper, is run by a former Walls commissioner. You truly cannot make up some connections here in Minnesota, but we are seeing that this group specifically on X, they're saying they will not be silenced and, you know, thankful to programs like, like yours for being willing to talk about this and keep it in the spotlight until something changes.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Liz, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there part of the Feeding the Fruit Future investigation? Because I know there have been multiple cases and trials now in terms of this, there was a jury bribing Jury tampering scandal as part of this. Do I have that correct?

[Liz Collin]

Yeah, that's right. You had $120,000 cash, Jack, left on a juror's doorstep in that trial, left in, like, a Hallmark bag. And that woman, interestingly enough, we actually just profiled a little. A little piece, just an update on that bribe. The woman who left that bribe was convicted, and she's awaiting sentencing, has not been imprisoned as a result of that bribe. Not only that, but she worked for an insurance agency in Minnesota where went ahead and fraudulently wrote herself a $30,000 check from that agency. She went on to commit then this Feeding Our Future bribe. She had a DWI where she left the scene of an accident, and some terrible things happened in that. And she was just. She was picked up finally, I think, after it was a couple of years, kept in jail for just a few weeks on all of this, and now she's out again. And many people are just saying, this is enough. What has happened to the state that used to take law and order serious. And just how, you know, these radical changes made under Governor Walz's watch have seem. It seems to finally have. Have caught up to him.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the juror in that case, the one they attempted to bribe, was. Where was that? The person that actually reported it.

[Liz Collin]

She reported it right away. Yep. And was taken off that. That case, you know, and everybody return. Everybody has returned guilty verdicts on these cases over and over again. But isn't that wild that somebody who can leave a bribe like this, and basically this woman then has taken the stand in her trial to say, this is our culture? Those were her words, actually, in her case. This is our culture. This is what we do. As if some way to excuse this bribe. And it's really made a mockery, I think, of the Minnesota justice system as well.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I think that when you look at this, it really begs the question and it gets to the heart of what President Trump is talking about in terms of the mass importation of this completely separate group from a different part of the world into Minneapolis. And quite frankly, it is absolutely wreaked havoc among, not just from a legal perspective, but just every real system in the entire state and the entire city has just felt a huge downward pressure from this, this. This immigration program.

[Liz Collin]

Absolutely. And I think the George Floyd riots helped to silence, in a way, much of the population. How dare you appear to be racist. We actually heard an assistant U.S. attorney speak to that. How race was weaponized in the Feeding Our Future case that people wanted to bring this forward earlier, but they would see again and again how it would be Somalis perpetuating this fraud and then it would be tamped down. You don't want to appear to be racist as the person that is bringing these concerns forward. Thankfully, I think we've pushed back. The facts kind of speak for themselves, I think in these cases that have been tried at this point. But you do have the president saying that he's going to terminate temporary protected status for Somalis in Minnesota. And actually, interestingly enough, at this hour, we're streaming a press conference that's objecting to Trump's reported crackdown on illegal Somalis in Minnesota. So that's happening. I believe it's happening in Minneapolis City hall right now. So again, rather than we will be.

[Jack Posobiec]

Liz Collin will be right back. Hold that thought. Quick break. Humid Events Daily. We are live from the Pentagon.

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[Liz Collin]

Amen. Welcome back. Before the break we were discussing what's happening here in Minnesota as far as the fraud concerns. And I just wanted to pick up on the conversation I was having with Jack earlier. Actually, it's a press conference happening right now in Minneapolis as it seems city leaders have come out in full force to fight President Donald Trump as he is trying to basically zero in on some of these fraud problems in the state. But just reading from a press conference happening now, Democratic Minneapolis City Council member Jamal Osman calling President Trump at this press conference again happening at the moment now, calling President Trump racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic. This press conference is being held on Trump's Somali immigration crackdown that he has announced. But what's interesting, in October 2020, Osman himself handed over control of a nonprofit he founded to a group of new owners who then used it in Minnesota's $250 million Feeding Our Future fraud scandal. So you can certainly see that this is a tangled web in Minnesota and many leaders, so called leaders in these left leaning cities like Minneapolis doing everything they can to try to fight President Trump at every turn.

[Jack Posobiec]

Jack, Liz, Colin, this is, it really represents I think and we are back here from the Department of War studio and we do see that Minnesota Department of Human Service employees X account, the Minnesota DHS and looking at has been suspended but potentially coming back. So hopefully, hopefully X can fix that. But I do corsi and I'm just pulling it up. I I do have to make a slight correction. It's the Department of Treasury that has launched this investigation and we see now that Secretary Scott Besant says that at my direction, U.S. treasury is investigating allegations that under the feckless mismanagement of the Biden administration and Governor Tim Walls hard working Minnesotans tax dollars have been diverted to the terrorist organization Al Shabaab. This came up behalf of a Chris Ruffo investigation with City Journal that some of the funds were actually used to fund Al Shabab, an actual designated terrorist organization, which interestingly enough gets us back to the drone strikes that we were talking about earlier in the program here and says that they're acting based on the potential of the use for terror financing here, which is very important by the way, because that gives the government extreme measures to be able to use to go after these operations. Liz, had you in your reporting come across any potential connections to these Somalian terrorist groups?

[Liz Collin]

You know, I think that that was something also that didn't come as much of a surprise. And I say that Jack, I don't mean to be, you know, say that offhandedly, but we've heard before and reported before how this money has been funneled to Somalia, has been funneled to Kenya. And you know, it's long gone by the time that some of these investigators have caught up to the fraud. And actually my sources have said that in many is some of these folks are willing to actually just go to prison for five or 10 years, serve their time and the money's out of the country at this point and they have a pretty good system set up for when they do get out. It may sound crazy to the rest of us, but even there's a young man who was the 78th defendant sentenced last week. His sentence was about 10 years, which probably won't serve all of those years. And he has a long life ahead. And it was about $47 million or so that he was ordered in restitution. I have a feeling that, you know, that money will not be seen. So I don't think that that came as much of a surprise as just how disturbing obviously that is. But also, Minneapolis has beenmany stories have been in the national news over the years about how this has been, you know, a breeding ground for terrorism. Many people actually charged with trying to join these terrorist networks and groups, young Somali men that has happened many, many times and made the news over the over the years. So sadly, again, I think a storyline that we've seen here in Minnesota in the past.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I know, and it's certainly something where, of course, the federal government and the Department of Treasury are going to get involved because now they're able to look at these foreign transfers and say, wait a minute, you know, this isn't just people sending money back to their families. If they're sending money that's potentially going towards the funding of a designated foreign terrorist organization than their extremely large powers and capabilities at the Department of Treasury that they have to actually go after this. But Liz, on another point, though, I mean, it seems as though this, this corruption is so rampant that the fraud is so widespread. Why is it that Tim Walls either doesn't see it or he looks the other way? Is he benefiting from it or is he just sort of trying to act like it's not actually happening?

[Liz Collin]

Actually, you heard in some comments this weekend, Jack, he was talking about how he did so much to put these people in jail. It's well documented that it was the U.S. attorney's office that has led the prosecution from the very beginning in the Defeating Our Future case and many other cases of fraud in Minnesota. So people were quick to correct him on that front. He's been asked that question. In fact, he had the power in the legislature to go ahead and create sort of this separate position, but it was clear that he did not want that someone to take a look at that somebody that he would not control, if you will, a legislative auditor position, something he did not back. But then he went ahead and it was shortly after that he came up with his own way of fighting fraud and launched his own office. But we've heard very little about anything that they've actually accomplished in these many months. So I think you're asking very good questions. I'm probably not giving you good answers, but I think a lot of us here in Minnesota have been scratching our heads going, you know, are these people in on it? Is that why. That's why this has. Has gone on as long as it has. But I think as, as the days go by, you see more and more people finally getting the moral courage to come forward and demand answers.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I think that's exactly right. So, Liz, for your own reporting, are you able to tell us where you're going to be working with? And by the way, I should also ask, have any members of the federal government reached out to Alpha News?

[Liz Collin]

You know, we have a few sources here. We'd be happy to pass along all of our information. We have a whole heck of a lot. And Jack, I'LL be honest, there is not a day that goes by that we do not receive a tip at Alpha News about some sort of suspected fraud going on in Minnesota. I've actually never seen anything like it as a 20 plus year reporter at this point in Minnesota, people are, I think I've told you before, but they're setting up surveillance cameras themselves. They're taking pictures themselves of, you know, these suspect properties. You can pull these records quite easily online. But it's all AlphaNews.org, right at the top. You'll see fraud in Minnesota and you can follow all of our reporting from past years. It's all right there on that page. And I think we many, I speak for many people that we welcome the federal government to come in and take a look at this and we'd be happy to help any way we possibly can. You know, the citizens certainly deserve better here.

[Jack Posobiec]

They certainly do. Liz Collin, where can people go to follow you directly?

[Liz Collin]

Izcollan on X and Alpha News also on X as well. You can follow along with with all things going on here, here in Minnesota.

[Jack Posobiec]

Liz, thank you so much for joining us.

[Liz Collin]

Thank you, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Folks, you have to understand what's going on here. When you import a group of people from a part of the world where scamming and cheating and fraud are part of the culture, then that is the culture that you are going to import. This is Third World culture. All of the things that Liz is describing that Alpha News is describing, all of the things that all of them are describing are basics of Third world culture. This is why the Third World is the third World. These are cultural deficiencies. This is why the first World, the United States of America, was able to, to be made the way that it is. We have something called honor. We have Christian values. We have Greek philosophy. We have Roman law. All right, folks, President Trump now about to make his announcement and we are going to be cutting directly over to that. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.