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Jack Posobiec
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Anna Paulina Luna
Former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.
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Jack Posobiec
Christ is king. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here on the sidelines of the Student Action Summit, and we're. You know, what we've done is this is incredible that we have so many access, so much access to these high profile guests. Put together a series of interviews for today's episode, and of course, we're leading it off with the most high profile of them all, the man who founded the Body of Water that we're sitting right next to here in Tampa, Florida, The Gulf of America. Kevin Posobic.
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Kevin Posobiec
That's right. Thanks. Thanks for having me on again, Jack. Yeah, right outside. Right outside the door here.
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Jack Posobiec
We're at the Tampa on the shores of the Gulf.
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Kevin Posobiec
The Gulf of America. Yes, sir.
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Jack Posobiec
That's incredible.
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Kevin Posobiec
We got to get out there.
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Jack Posobiec
We got to get out yet.
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Kevin Posobiec
Get some wave runners. Wave runner.
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Jack Posobiec
I'll do it. I'm in.
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Kevin Posobiec
Hey, man, we go to Clearwater, see Hogan if you want.
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Jack Posobiec
See Hogan. Okay. All right. Well, don't tell the boys that because if you promise the boys. Hogan. They want Hogan.
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Kevin Posobiec
That's true. That's true.
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Jack Posobiec
They want to see the man. And I honestly.
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Kevin Posobiec
He lives there.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, but I understand he has. He had some health issues recently.
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Kevin Posobiec
That's true. Yeah. I saw Ric Flair just got a surgery as well.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, man, it's happening. But that. But, but we know Hulk Hogan is the immortal.
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Kevin Posobiec
No, it was great. It was great. Being on the show and throwing the T shirts out yesterday, that was a lot of fun.
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Jack Posobiec
We did so much stuff.
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Kevin Posobiec
And Gulf of America merch is just.
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Jack Posobiec
Kevin, tell me something about. You know, this obviously is a student event, so it's younger. Tell me about the reaction that you're seeing from college and high school kids here.
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Kevin Posobiec
The reaction's been. It's been golden, really. I mean, to speak to like the golden age. You see, people aren't as scared anymore to talk about conservative values, talk about tradition.
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Jack Posobiec
They're emboldened.
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Andre Bauer
They're emboldened.
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Kevin Posobiec
Starting families and starting businesses, getting active on campus. And it's just something I've never seen when I was going to college. I mean, they always had like a debate club, Republican Democrat club, but nothing quite like Turning Point has done. And credit to Charlie Kirk, like, I think it's an amazing concept that he, he originally started and now we are here.
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Jack Posobiec
You're seeing those kids who were in the first iteration of Turning Point when they were 18, 19, now they're in their mid-20s, some of them even 30 now. They're totally on board, totally online, totally activated, totally engaged.
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Kevin Posobiec
I would look like Beavis and Butthead at that age compared to these, these guys coming up.
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Jack Posobiec
They're so well put together.
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Kevin Posobiec
Yeah, they're so well put together.
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Jack Posobiec
And thanks to social media, so impressive.
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Kevin Posobiec
You can get access to information so much faster these days. They're so much more knowledgeable than I was at that age. But it's amazing, like young guys selling T shirts, selling Gulf of America T shirts and making businesses like Young, Young. And it, it really is an amazing thing to see. And that's why I love coming down to these events and just showing some.
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Jack Posobiec
What Charlie's done is put together an, an absolute national force. And you see, you see it in the polls, you see it in voting trends. You can see it out there all.
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Kevin Posobiec
The way from grassroots to the top. Didn't you say to me recently, like, this is one of the younger administrations with Trump?
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Jack Posobiec
That's a great point, actually. Yes, it is. Yeah, it is. It's. If you look in terms of the age, the average age of the Cabinet is way down. See a lot of Cabinet members in their 40s, staffer wise, you see a lot of people. And you know, the mainstream media would probably hate to know how many former Turning Point people are now in the administration.
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Kevin Posobiec
It's none, right? It's none.
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Jack Posobiec
No, no, it's zero. It's totally zero. What are you talking about? I don't, I can't think of a single one.
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Kevin Posobiec
Nah, me neither.
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Jack Posobiec
No, definitely not. No, definitely not. Any in there. That would be crazy. And don't worry, Charlie, I'm definitely not breaking any news or divulging any inside information here today on Human Events Daily. But folks, going to be right back. We've got a huge show. Lots of people. Kevin, where can people follow you?
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Kevin Posobiec
Follow me on X and Instagram. And like I always say, follow me to church.
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Jack Posobiec
Follow me, church.
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Officer Tatum
All right.
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Jack Posobiec
Right.
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Anna Paulina Luna
This is Human Events with Jack.
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Jack Posobiec
Pos now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. Jeffrey Epstein's contact list is making headlines again. Attorney General of the United States Pam Bondi's justice department released over 100 pages from his address book featuring names like Mick Jagger and Alec Baldwin. While most names were already known, victims identities were fully redacted.
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Pam Bondi
Today, conservative commentators were spotted at the White House carrying binders labeled Epstein Files. Meanwhile, Attorney General Pam Bondi accused the FBI of withholding thousands of Jeffrey Epstein documents. In a letter to FBI Director Cash Patel, she promised to release the files, raising questions about what's being kept hidden.
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Jack Posobiec
US Government is now saying financier Jeffrey Epstein never kept a client list.
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Pam Bondi
We had heard about that. And contradicts claims from Attorney General Pam Bondi, who months ago said such a document was, quote, sitting on my desk. The two page memo from the Justice Department. FBI also confirmed Epstein's death was a suicide. And no further charges are expected to be filed in the case. It happened in jail. The conclusion is the opposite of what Pam Bondi had promoted.
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Jack Posobiec
All right, folks, Jack Posobiec. We're here. This is an episode. We're taping pre taping while we're on the sidelines here at the Student Action Summit, Turning Point, Tampa, Florida, by the way, on the very shores of the Gulf of America. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Gulf of America. Go and look at your map. You can see it right here. And we're so excited to have a local politician joining us, Congresswoman Anna Lena Luna. And to me, by the way, for the record, for me, it's no surprise that you are where you are having come up as, quote, unquote, an influencer. But I said, people say, you know, you think of her as an influencer because you're not listening to what she's saying. And I do this crazy thing where I actually listen to what people have to say. And I remember always saying this, this one has substance, this one has something.
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Anna Paulina Luna
To say that I can check in regards to stereotype and branding. I would be.
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Jack Posobiec
And you never did. And you never did that. No. You and I had a conversation about that a couple years ago. I remember that. And I even said like, do you want to lean in a little bit? Because I Political analyst hat on. Do you want to lean in a little bit on that? You're like, no, no, I don't Want to do that.
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Anna Paulina Luna
It's interesting, though. They don't really know how to hit me.
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Jack Posobiec
No, they don't.
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Anna Paulina Luna
They're like, we're just not going to talk about it.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah.
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Anna Paulina Luna
And I'm like, you guys. Because they realize I go on and I make sense, and then just like.
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Olivia Kolchuk
I don't know.
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Andre Bauer
Right.
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Jack Posobiec
And then. Well, and then. I mean, the. The one time that they did take. They tried.
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Andre Bauer
They went after your family.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Oh, they tried. On the whole.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, yeah.
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Anna Paulina Luna
It was ridiculous. But had that not happened, you know, God works in special ways. So they went. They try to say that I was not Hispanic.
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Jack Posobiec
Oh, they tried to say, first of all, you're not Hispanic. I'm like, pretty Hispanic, dude.
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Anna Paulina Luna
And in the same. In the same sentence, they're like, but her grandmother's from Mexico, Right. And then. And her dad's also Mexican. Her mom's Mexican. But had that not happened, Time magazine would have never investigated. And when Time magazine investigated, they're like, holy, she's telling the truth. I was named the next 100 most influential in the world.
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Jack Posobiec
No, I. I completely agree. And it's been a meteoric rise. So just congratulations to you, because I remember coming, you know, and meeting you at these events. Gosh, I don't even want to say how many years ago now, but.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Yeah, you know, at least seven years ago.
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Jack Posobiec
At least seven years ago. Yeah, at least seven years ago. And to see where we are, it's amazing. But you've launched task forces into things like the JFK files, and you've been completely outspoken and obviously, you know, and, you know, for folks who know, you know, it's been trending all this week, this Epstein situation. And I'll just say something that, you know, I've never said this publicly because when this thing first happened, you were the first person to reach out to me. When. When this whole nonsense happened, you were the very first person who reached out to me, as if we were the ones who refused to release the files. I don't have the files. I'm not the Attorney General. I'm not involved in any of this. So I've always really appreciated that. So thank you.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Yeah, yeah. I think it's, you know, one of those situations. I think the reason why there's so much anger surrounding this is because of the way that it was handled.
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Jack Posobiec
Of course, I couldn't agree.
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Andre Bauer
I'm right there with everybody else.
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Anna Paulina Luna
It's the way that it was handled. And I. That, you know, in regards to our task force, the whole reason why the task Force was formed is because President Trump had this EO on declassifying jfk, releasing a never seen, never seen documents on Joe Neates, who's this really shady CIA operative that had lied to Congress, was given an award for lying to Congress, was observing, had interaction with Oswald and you know, for, for decades this was kept under.
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Jack Posobiec
Because it was, it was the Castro group that he was part of was actually a CIA front group.
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Anna Paulina Luna
It was a CIA.
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Jack Posobiec
Which is what, which is what people had said for years and were called conspiracy theorists.
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Anna Paulina Luna
And they're being proven for us. And it's evidence of multiple shooters. The CIA denied the lone gunman theory. That just on the pure fact that the CIA had interaction was, was observing Oswald disproves the whole notion of a lone gunman. That the Warren Commission engaged in, in intimidation of witnesses, that they omitted evidence that the single bullet theory didn't take place and that I believe that a rogue faction of the CIA thought that JFK was a radical and they used that. I think that when people, people look at the evidence, they can put piece together the mosaic of what actually happened.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah. And then, and then who, who's the, who's the attorney on the case? The investigator that came up with the silver bullet, the magic bullet theory is silver bullet Arlen Spector. So silver bullet Spectre, then it turns around, become the Vice President, then President after his role in the Watergate investigation. You see Spectre getting rewarded. So we see this pattern over and over of people being rewarded for covering up some of what they call the crown jewels in the intel community. So when, when you have situations like this that go on again and again and again, I think it's not crazy to see a guy like Jeffrey Epstein and all of the information that's out there already.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Well, I think that's why you want a transparent process. Right. Like no one's asking to see victim names, don't ask you to see csam, but to not release anything. And then you have like the daily mail out there with photos of, you know, bags of passports and diamonds and safes. I just think that the way that it's been handled has created a bigger issue on the distrust front and that you have to have transparency to have that trust with your government. Especially when so many of these people went on record saying that they wanted to. So they can't release information even if they have wanted to, because the DOJ has said that they're not allowed to. And so that's why I put out the statement that I did that the DOJ does need to release that information that we are going to be asking on the task force on behalf of the American people. And unfortunately, though, you know, I'm not at the doj and unfortunately I'm not at the FBI. I've exhausted all my resources capable, and I was kind of fighting for this. I felt like alone on a hill for a while. But I do think that if this is ever going to restore trust.
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Jack Posobiec
Recently, these huge ICE raids out in California, they are ongoing. They've actually been stepping up enforcement operations in parts of the country. And we keep hearing, you know, of course, Gavin Newsom runs out and says, this is racist. This is, you're harassing children, you're harassing women. These are just people who want to work here. And then, of course, people turn around and say, wait a minute, what do you mean? There's children and women.
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Anna Paulina Luna
In fact, Purdue and Tyson Chicken Farm actually were busted for this several years back. And what I will also tell you, Jack, is that they're not wanting to address that issue. I think it's pretty egregious that Congress has the ability to increase some of these punishments for this. Corporations that are hiring these migrant children.
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Jack Posobiec
And they're talking about actually going over the after the people. This is the pull factor for illegal aliens because they wouldn't be coming if they couldn't have jobs.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Lobbying and big act that goes into fact this administration and doing what they're doing. They're not talking about the fact that they just arrested an MS.13 kingpin or that they're deporting pedophiles and rapists. They're trying to paint it to be that image just like they were previous to the Trump election in 2016. They're trying to film, you know, people getting tear gassed at the border. People are bringing their children and getting tear gas. They're not talking about the actual facts and that it actually hurts people on both sides. You're literally incentivizing people to come here illegally. Then they're getting paid under the table. Then they're targets for organized crime.
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Jack Posobiec
The movie, you know, Sound of Freedom was out there. I saw that movie with President Trump up at Bedminster that night, and it's horrific. But these, these networks are in place and these, unfortunately, these issues are real.
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Anna Paulina Luna
They just busted a massive trafficking ring in Pinellas county and in Hillsborough county here in Tampa. I think they rescued over 60 kids, but some as young as 13 years old, or I think it was nine years old, actually. So, you know, people calling Obama racist or xenophobic Biden, you know, was under Obama's vice president. They didn't attack him. So it is because they want to create this voting point for the midterms. And there is a concern that I have that if people don't educate the masses on what's truly happening with the propaganda factor in this, that there will be people that drink the Kool Aid and think that unfortunately it's targeted because of race. And that's simply not the case.
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Jack Posobiec
And I remember two years ago we did all this work when we were promoting Sound of Freedom. We went through and talked about the networks, we talked about the fact that the Biden administration was losing, quote, unquote, losing all of these children in the process. President Trump is actually going in with ice. They're finding President Trump also to remember.
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Anna Paulina Luna
When he did the last admin, he was the biggest person to fight, to fight for countertrafficking efforts in the country and frankly and in any other administration. So I think that they don't like to talk about that because they know that a lot of these, you know, there's this like fight the oligarchy tour going around the country. Well, a lot of these movements for these counter protesting for these illegal immigration efforts, they're actually being funded by billionaires tied to the ccp. So they don't want to talk about the money trail there either. And so it's going to be interesting for Congress to open up our investigation into that.
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Jack Posobiec
Congresswoman Anne Paulina Luna, thank you for your fight. Thank you for your voice and your friendship. Where, where can people go to follow you see everything you're doing, the official.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Counts at Replic and then personal, real Anna Paulina.
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Jack Posobiec
Today, you know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack, where's Jack? Jack. He's got a great job.
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Kevin Posobiec
Yes, we need and we have already the biggest help is the support of.
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Jack Posobiec
American people and world of our friends. Thanks to Lindsey and his colleagues, to.
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Kevin Posobiec
Congressmen and senators from the United States. Thanks for the support, bipartisan support.
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Jack Posobiec
Thank you so much. Peace is coming.
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Kevin Posobiec
Yes, soon.
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Jack Posobiec
All right, guys, we're back here on the sidelines again. Turning Point Student Action Summit in the great Tampa Bay. That's right. Right on the bay of the Gulf of America. And we're so excited to be sitting down here with U.S. senate candidate Andre Bauer. Thanks. Thank you for joining us here on Human Events.
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Andre Bauer
Thank you for having me.
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Jack Posobiec
So, so tell, tell me, why did you want to run? Why would you want to take a life like Yours and decide to get involved in politics and run for a seat like this.
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Andre Bauer
Great question. A lot of my friends said the same thing. You know, in 19 I thought about it, I got real frustrated with the senator. Had a one year old and just timing just wasn't right. That one year old now getting ready to be six in September. And I'm worried about their future. I've got four kids and I'm worried about their future. They're going to see with their eyes a future I'll never get to see, but I darn sure care about what it looks like. And we got a senator that we don't see in South Carolina anymore. I think he's more recognizable in Ukraine than he is in Union, South Carolina.
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Officer Tatum
Wow.
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Andre Bauer
30 years he's lost his way. We're concerned about border. We're concerned about taking care of Americans and South Carolinians. We're not as concerned about taking care of the rest of the world's problems, especially when we have the debt. When Lindsey took over, the debt was less than $5 trillion. And he ran on term limits, if you can imagine that. 1994, Contract with America. Newt, Ginger, you got elected in 94. So he committed to 12 years. We're 19 years past his expectancy and what have we gotten for We've now sevenfold the debt, a trillion a year since he's been in there has gone up. And so how do you call yourself a conservative and a Republican if you keep raising the debt limit, if you keep spending, if you keep getting being a globalist instead of looking out for your state, instead of looking out for your country. Look, I'll give you an easy example. There are 800 plus U.S. bases around the world.
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Officer Tatum
Yes.
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Andre Bauer
South Carolina lost two of their big ones. We lost the Charleston Navy Yard that my grandfather worked at and we lost Myrtle Beach Air Force Base. Now why would we ever get rid of 2, 2 Premier, right on our coast, guarding our coast, employing people and, and, and, and the spin off from employing those people helps those communities too. Instead 800 plus around the world we got over 46,000 troops.
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Jack Posobiec
So. So you're telling me that Senator Graham didn't fight for the people of South.
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Andre Bauer
Carolina and his debate is open. He was a newly member of Congress when one of those got shut down. So I can't blame that on him. All right, I want to be fair. But my point is, is that why would.
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Jack Posobiec
That's a real Southerner by the way.
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Andre Bauer
It is, but my point is, is why would we ever look at shutting down Stuff in our backyard, protecting our borders.
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Jack Posobiec
Precisely.
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Andre Bauer
Before we'd ever go, we got over 46,000 individuals in Germany right now. They're our friends. Why do we have that bigger troop? We got over 36,000 in South Korea. We've got to reassess what our real mission is, what our real duty and scope is, and where our real allies are. And can they not start doing their own military and their own policing? I'm tired of being a world peacekeeper. At some point in time, we've gotta address a debt and we've gotta address.
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Jack Posobiec
That must be because the people of South Carolina just have too much money and too much employment and too much healthcare. And that's why he's so focused around the world. Right. There's no problems at all back home in South Carolina.
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Andre Bauer
I think it's much easier to raise money from the people that want us in all these conflicts and the big. And if you look, he's never had an opponent, I shouldn't say a real opponent. He's never had an opponent with a big name or war chest. The most he's ever had spent in the primary was he had an individual one time send 750,000 against his like 15 million. The last race he raised over 100 million. You're not getting that from Johnny Lunch bucket sending you $25 where after he worked all week. That's not sweat off the brow money. That's hey, we're going to give you a big old check and you're going to do what we need you to in Washington. It's taking care of Washington politics and foreign conflicts instead of taking care of the people of South Carolina and taking care of President Trump's agenda. I mean, this is a guy that fought Trump to the nail. Matter of fact, when I addressed, when I endorsed President Trump In February of 19, the third elected official in America, Lindsey Graham, was running against him. Remember, he called him a jackass, a xenophobe, a homophobe.
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Jack Posobiec
Sure was.
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Andre Bauer
Remember on January 6, he took the floor and said, I'm done with Trump. I don't know if everybody remembers that. And he wanted to invoke the 25th Amendment against Trump. We wouldn't have Trump as a president now had Lindsey done that.
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Jack Posobiec
I think we can do some work to make that go a little viral again.
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Andre Bauer
Yeah. But do your homework, folks that are listening, because it's there. It's the truth. On numerous occasion, he down talked our president, but he said, Joe Biden's one of the finest men God ever created. He said Nancy Pelosi was a fine person. He voted with Joe Biden in 2022, 70% of the time, right there with Murkowski. These aren't conservatives. They're not Republicans. They're darn sure not a South Carolina Republican. Maybe a Vermont Republican. No offense, Vermont, but it ain't South Carolina Republican.
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Jack Posobiec
You know, and I'll say this, too, because, look, I'm from Pennsylvania, right? I'm, I'm a northerner. I'm not Southern. Want to go to South Carolina, and it's such an amazing state. I love Charleston. I love everything about South Carolina. I love the food in the low country, by the way.
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Andre Bauer
Amazing Charlestonian by birth.
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Jack Posobiec
But, but. There you go. And, but, but, but then I see Lindsey Graham and I say, how is this guy from South Carolina? It just, it doesn't matter.
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Andre Bauer
He must have not been in South Carolina when you saw him.
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Jack Posobiec
Oh, no, I see him in D.C. i've seen him in everywhere. I don't see him in South Carolina.
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Andre Bauer
You got to put him in a milk jug if you want to see him in South Carolina. Because he don't come back. I mean, he came back to his home birthplace of Pickens county to stump for Trump. They boot him off stage, and he didn't ask to be on stage anymore. I was there. I spoke, too. I didn't get the same reception he got. And that's where he was born, Pickens County. Again, fact check, Andre, you're welcome to do that.
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Jack Posobiec
So is the idea that he's been there for so long, he's wrapped up in all these other interests, and he treats South Carolina as just sort of a, you know, as a, as a, as a stepping stone to, for him to be able to get this higher.
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Andre Bauer
Power in D.C. i was told by one of his best buddies, a sitting United States congressman, that said, well, you know, Lindsey's running around brokering world peace. He's actually the pseudo Secretary of state. And I said, well, somebody needs to tell him that's not his job. He's the sitting United States senator. If he doesn't want that job, he's step down and go apply to be Secretary of state, because that's not his job. I don't remember when Trump said we were trying to work out the Russian, Ukraine issue. They were trying to solve that. The next thing you know, he and Blumenthal on mine, you dime, ninth trip to Ukraine, goes over there, we're going to give you more money. And the next thing, they're bombing again. Look, I'm Tired of Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, you name it. He hadn't found a conflict. He didn't want boots on the ground, he didn't want more money spent there.
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Jack Posobiec
No, he said he wanted full on war with Iran and all the rest of it.
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Andre Bauer
The jets weren't even cool when he, when they came back after President Trump's flawless surgical strike. And Lindsey's got charts on the Florida Senate saying we need to, our boys would be willing to risk their lives for regime change in Iran. I hope he's willing to go over there and do it because I don't want any more our boys over there. Look, if we need to protect our friends with drones, we need to get behind people that we're allies with. I don't, we're not going to negate that responsibility. But all these boots on the ground and all this regime change, I'm adamantly opposed to it.
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Jack Posobiec
Andre, we're just about out of time. This is incredible interview. I've got to have you on more because I got to say I've met, I've met Senator Graham and I've met you. I said you seem like the one who's from South Carolina a lot more than he does. Tell people where they can go to follow you, to support you and to do back you and what you're doing there down in of front for the people.
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Andre Bauer
Thanks for having me on the show. Go to andrebauer.com real easy. Andrebauer.com we'd love to have you get involved. This is an opportunity for a movement. Look, we're getting rid of Corning, we're getting rid of Tillis, we're getting rid of McConnell. Let's kill the biggest snake of them all and send him packing. And That's Lindsey Graham.
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Jack Posobiec
Andrebauer.com Driving out the snakes. You gotta love it. Thanks, Derek.
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Andre Bauer
Jack, I want to see you.
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Jack Posobiec
Great job, Jack.
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Andre Bauer
Thank you.
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Jack Posobiec
What a job you do.
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Andre Bauer
You know we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys.
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Jack Posobiec
And these are the guys who've been getting policies. All right, folks, Jack Posobic here, human events host, but of course we're riding double duty here at the Student Action Summit. That's Jillian Michaels, she's so great up there on stage. But I had to cut in here for a minute because. Ladies and gentlemen, we are here with the Officer Tatum. Officer, how are you?
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Officer Tatum
I'm, I'm blessed, man.
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Jack Posobiec
I got, I got to ask you, you've been coming to these events so often for so many years. How do you view the growth of Turning Point going from where it was six, seven, eight years ago to where it is now?
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Officer Tatum
What it is is a generational changer, right? I mean, we see generations and generations come through that are learning, that are growing, that are being blessed, that are blessing others. And so I think that the beauty of what Charlie's been able to do as an example for all these young people is that he's been able to capture the hearts and minds of people who really want to do better and they've been able to grow. And I've seen the growth and some of the young people that were here from the very first SAS event is now leading in this country. So it's been really good to see the progression.
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Jack Posobiec
No, and you absolutely do see it in terms of the voting, right? Because if you were, you know, if you were coming up through college, you were 18, 22. But now when you look at that 18 to 29 demographic, look, that's a voting bloc. And guess what? The new Gen Z voting bloc, it's totally upending politics when they saw it, particularly Gen Z men that switched over for Trump so far. Gen Z women. We'll work on that. We'll work on that. Talk to Charlie about it. But this was something that upended politics because the conventional thinking was that always the youth vote is going to be leftist, and then as they get older, they're going to be more conservative millennials. And you know, I call them Jam Y Centennials. They're kind of on that arc where that's now sort of your. Your 50, 50. But Gen Z is not like that, right?
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Officer Tatum
I mean, just imagine a world without Turning Point usa. I don't think we'll have a country. I don't think the young people will have another outlet to hear something different than what they hear on campus and being lied to by the mainstream media. So what Charlie has done and what these young people have been able to do over this amount of time has been incredible and literally is a huge part in saving our country.
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Jack Posobiec
Now, when we talk about saving our country, everybody's asking me about it, and I've been open about it. They say, hey, Jack, you know, I've seen this picture, you with a binder. It says Jeffrey Epstein on it. Now all of a sudden, the DOJ has come out with their memoir.
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Andre Bauer
What.
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Jack Posobiec
What's going on? When it's. I said, wait a minute. First of all, I uploaded all that stuff from the binder day I got it the very first day I got It I put it up and I said, here's the link. Everyone can see it. The problem was all the stuff that had been in that binder, it had kind of already been released through various court cases. And there was actually an itemized list that came from one of the search warrants that, that had not yet been published. So one page, basically an item sheet. But all of this obviously been a huge controversy. People waiting for answers. They say, wait a minute, we promised answers, we haven't got those answers. And I thought, you know, what with your law enforcement background. Right. When I was in the military, I was an intelligence agent, so we had different missions. I was just trying to collect all the information I could, and we were going to go either roll somebody up or put warheads on foreheads. I didn't have to worry about a court case. I didn't have to worry about, you know, having a warrant or all of these. Not these for me, like, just these, these extra pieces of the puzzle that law enforcement would have to put into. So can you try to distill some of this for us? How do these cases work and do the items that people want, does that actually exist?
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Officer Tatum
Well, that's a good question. I think that the problem that we have now is that we have no idea what we don't know.
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Jack Posobiec
Right? Right.
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Officer Tatum
I mean, we don't know if the information was available, meaning the investigation material was available and it's been deleted. So therefore, they really don't have anything to present. We don't know if they have something to present, but they refuse to present it. We don't know if Catch Patel and Dan Bongino wants to present it, but Pam Bunny doesn't. We don't know if all of them want to present it, but Trump don't want it to happen. So it's a lot to be involved in. And I'll tell you this from a law enforcement perspective, is that you always got to have an open mind, don't get married to a narrative, because it's very scary in the terrain that we're in, because we don't know who to trust and who's divulging information or not. And what I can say is that just so everybody's clear, and I love Donald Trump. He's my favorite president. I vote for him 15 times if it was legal. But the investigation started a long time ago.
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Jack Posobiec
Oh, yeah.
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Officer Tatum
This wasn't an investigation that started when Jeff Stein went to jail. This was an investigation that concluded to impart when Epstein went to jail. So the first Trump administration had to be privy to what information was available that caused him to be arrested and put into jail. Now, beyond that point, both administrations, the Biden and the Trump administration, had to know if there is actually a list or not. And the fact that we don't know the truth about it is concerning to me. But what I will say this, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think that we should trust the people who we've trusted for so many years that eventually the truth will come out. Donald Trump is a man of integrity. I've known that. I think Cash Patel is a man of integrity. I don't know Pam Bundy much. Dan Bongino is one of my favorites. So I'm just waiting to say there's more to the story. I want to let it play out and we'll see where it end up.
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Jack Posobiec
So you mentioned the 2019 arrest, and people, of course, remember that's why he was in jail. But what people, I think, forget and, you know, that gets lost in the story, I should say, is that he was in jail pending trial. So that trial never took place. Now, a lot of this material, I think probably, and this is something that law enforcement and prosecutors, they wouldn't make that public. Why? Because they wouldn't want to tip off Epstein's lawyers as to what their strategy would be. Now, of course, they would have to give it to him eventually, at some point, but because his death happened when it did, suspicious death, to say the least. When it happened, when it did, we never got that trial. So all of that information, that's got to exist somewhere because, of course, they were building a case against him.
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Officer Tatum
Right. And Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail right now precisely for exactly that. There had to be evidence presented against her for her to be in jail. There has to be crimes because she was the middle person between connecting victims to the suspects. And so with all of that information and details had to be presented to her in court, against her in court for it to even be able to go to jail and be sentenced to. So it existed. But this is not something new, man. This is mob tactics. This is hood tactics. If there is no person to testify in court, then there you go, the evidence.
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Jack Posobiec
I'm from the Philly area, and they got a certain saying about snitches in the Philly area, right. They said. Because people say, actually the New York Times did a. It's funny you mentioned that. They did a study just recently said, I think it's only 58% of homicides are solved in the United States. And I said, well, in Philly, I know why. I'll tell you exactly why that is. That's because nobody saw nothing. Nobody heard nothing. Nobody saw nothing. Wait a minute. You were right there. This ring, camera. I didn't see nothing. I hear nothing. I see not.
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Officer Tatum
Snitches get stitches is what they say. I don't agree with it.
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Jack Posobiec
Right.
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Officer Tatum
I think snitching is humble. You need to snitch on these people to get these.
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Jack Posobiec
But. But I'm saying that's. That's the dynamic that leads people to not be able. If you don't have any information, what are you going to investigate?
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Officer Tatum
Well, check this out. I mean, we got to think, too. There's implications that there could be incredibly powerful people that are associated with the crimes committed by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. With that being said, how do you think it's possible that if those people are potentially involved in this, that he will ever make it to trial? They would not let it happen. Either he's saving face by doing it to himself, or somebody else made sure that he couldn't testify, you know, Or.
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Jack Posobiec
And I remember saying this, and I'll say it again, you know, people get mad at me, but I said, look, when you mentioned about not being married to your hypothesis, they do teach us that as well in intelligence school. And one of the things they do to help us to fight against that or prevent that mentally, is what they teach us is an ach. They want you to construct an analysis of competing hypotheses. And then when you do that, you. You actually. Basically, it's like. It's like competing against your. Each hypothesis. So you lay it out, then you lay out the next one. They lay out the third one and say, okay, was he murdered? All right, was he murdered by a guard? Was he murdered by a prisoner that was on the block with him? Or did he commit suicide? Does he commit suicide? And then you put out and you lay out all the evidence for each. You lay out how each of it would work. And so one of the ones that I even said, which I do kind of wonder about, is because I do trust Cash and Dan. And they said, we don't think someone did that. And I said, okay, what if he felt intimidated? What if he felt he was being threatened? And. And if so, he. That drove him to kill himself. Now, on. On paper, you would call that suicide, but we, in the real world, we know that's something else.
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Officer Tatum
1,000%, man. It's not above reality. For somebody who's facing potentially the rest of their lives in prison and being the fall man who eventually somebody will kill him anyway, I think that he will be the foul man indicting all these other people.
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Jack Posobiec
You want to live the rest of your life looking over your shoulder or.
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Officer Tatum
You think this guy was living on a high horse. We don't know how he made his money, but he was rich. He had one of the nicest places in New York City, flying private everywhere. He knew everybody. I mean, this just the arrogance of a narcissist like that would probably lead them to say, I can't spend the rest of my life in prison knowing that he probably would spend the rest of life in prison if they knew what was actually out there with evidence. But what I will say is this. I use the same theology that you're saying about everything in life. You never get married to a thesis. Even with my faith in God, I say I'm going to challenge myself.
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Jack Posobiec
Challenge it? Yes.
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Officer Tatum
Someone approaches me with information about the Bible or anything else I don't shy away from and say, well, I'm a Christian, so I can't consider it. No, I'm going to consider every principle. Because what does it do? It makes you stronger, it makes you deep. It makes you go deeper in your faith when you find out that the things you believe are real. That's how I became a conservative. I said, I'm not going to listen to what people are saying I should believe because I'm black. Let me evaluate it for myself. And with that being said, that's how I became conservative.
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Jack Posobiec
You know, that's such a good way of putting it. And that really is, I think the start of conservatism, right, is that we have. There was that heat map that came out recently. They said, you know, they were looking at social media and they said, here are liberals and their talking points. Here are conservatives, they're talking points. And they said, the liberals, it was like a fist, right? Because it was all this one solid spot. They all talk about the same thing, they all believe the same thing. But then for conservatives, it was a web. And it was sort of, you know, and it was a cluster, but, you know, it was like, okay, here's your libertarians, here's your America first guys, you know, here's your anti trans. And there are various different nodes along this web. Because that's what conservatism is. It's not lockstep conformity. It is in fact, critical thought and critical reasoning.
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Officer Tatum
Critical thought, critical Reason in comparison to emotionalism, the way that they're able to get certain people to have a heat map that's that strong is they get them emotional. And people that don't know how to manage their emotions, this is how they fall into a trap of being deceived 100%. If you do an evaluation, I haven't done it yet. I'm pretty sure if the science came out, it would be the people that tend to lean left and listen to the foolery that they're putting out in the media, they are doing it through weaponized empathy, weaponized emotions. And conservatives aren't those type of people. And that's why you see certain demographics of people that are leaning more conservative, whether it be sex or whether it be race or whatever, you see a difference in people's. The way they receive information, and you see the way it's presented by how they vote.
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Jack Posobiec
No, it's, it's absolutely true. We. And we. It's just now come out.
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Officer Tatum
They've.
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Jack Posobiec
They still finished the end of the, the final analysis of the election. Donald Trump won a majority of Hispanic males, a majority. So not just a lot. There wasn't just. No, he won them outright. And so we were told, we were told over and over and over that, oh, Donald Trump, he wants a wall. Donald Trump, he wants, he never going to, you know, he wants deportations, he's never going to win Hispanics, and yet he want all Hispanic men. How did he do that? Because they saw the status of their country. They said, wait a minute, who wants to get rich? Who wants to get jobs? Who wants to do all this? We do, too. You know, money doesn't have a race, does it?
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Officer Tatum
Right, right, Exactly. And what it boils down to is people with common sense are the people that will listen to a message of freedom, listen to the message of American exceptionalism, and those are the ones that will become conservative. And it's only a matter of time where people like you and I are presenting the truth, that people will begin to wake up.
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Jack Posobiec
Precisely that. Tell us your social. Everybody knows it, but throw out your social media again.
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Officer Tatum
The Officer Tatum on every single platform you can find me. God bless you. God bless America.
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Jack Posobiec
Thanks for having me on. Appreciate you, brother. Take care. Jack is a great guy.
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Andre Bauer
He's written a fantastic book.
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Jack Posobiec
Everybody's talking about it. Go get it.
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Andre Bauer
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
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Jack Posobiec
And we're going to turn it around.
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Andre Bauer
And make our country great again.
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Jack Posobiec
Amen. All right, Jack Posobic we are here on the sidelines of the Turning Point Student Action Summit. We're talking to grassroots, we're talking to the Gen Z's. And so I had to. And this, this is what I do. You know, I, I find there's, there's, there's so many people that want to like, tell Gen Z what to think. And I'm like, maybe we should just listen. I don't know. Like that's, that's, you know, such a wild concept, a crazy concept that I do. So we've got one of our great Gen Z wins whisperers. Rivia Kolchuk is here with us. Olivia, thank you so much for being on. First time in person, by the way.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Pretty cool.
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Jack Posobiec
Finally, right? Inevitably, it was inevitable.
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Olivia Kolchuk
I know.
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Jack Posobiec
Is Olivia karlchuck inevitable? I don't know. Okay, maybe she is. All right, so, so I was asking before we came on, what is the hottest, you would say when you go to post, when you're out there online, what is the hottest number one issue with Gen Z right now?
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Olivia Kolchuk
I would say whenever I post the most important or the one that blows up the most? Definitely deportations. Especially when, you know, we have a White House posting memes of deportations. It's hilarious. So I definitely think that appeals to Gen Z.
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Jack Posobiec
So, so it's the memes about the deportation. So you know the memes because, you know what's funny is I remember there's a lot of people that have attacked the White House for posting things like this that you're making light of it. Mike Solana wrote like a 5,000 word essay denouncing me over a Studio Ghibli meme. But also he claimed that we were abusing anime by, by posting a meme about deportations. And I'm like, no, it's not abuse, it's, it's, it's communication. So do you think this actually helps to communicate to the younger audience 100%?
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Olivia Kolchuk
Absolutely. Because what's appealing to a bunch of high schoolers or a bunch of people going into college memes, that's all they, they, all they look at is social media. So I think being relatable in that aspect and you can make it more light hearted because, because I think it's hard to appeal to a bunch of high schoolers, get them interested in politics when everything is so by the book and so serious. So I think that means like they're.
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Jack Posobiec
Not, they're not sitting down reading press releases.
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Olivia Kolchuk
I don't even want to do that.
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Jack Posobiec
So I think it's great so, so when it comes down, and I agree completely, this is why I've always embraced memes. I think memes are. They cut across communication. They cut, you know, you can communicate a message. But there's this I could get into a whole dissertation on like why the left can't meme. Because the only. I will say this though, all right. Since we're on the subject, the only memes that go viral are the memes that are true.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Yes.
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Jack Posobiec
Because so for a meme to be a good meme, it must contain truth and be a distillation of truth. Because for a meme to be false, then it is not a meme. Not. That's a force meme.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Yeah, I totally agree with that.
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Jack Posobiec
So that's forced.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Exactly.
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Jack Posobiec
And by the so what? All of which to say is the left cannot meme because they are memes themselves.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Yes. That's actually, that's a great post. I might post that on X. I mean, go for stuff that I post. I'm definitely very light hearted. I'm not very serious and I think that's how I have such a large base of young people. I mean, most of my following is 18 to 25. Because I can appeal to them. I can, you know, relate to them.
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Jack Posobiec
So then, so then when it comes to the deportations issue though, because, you know, I'll just say this, you know, this is an issue that people, when I talk to, you know, millennials, Gen X, baby boomers, you know, they want it, but it's. But as the, as you skew older, it's not the highest issue there. Why is it such a big issue for Gen Z?
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Olivia Kolchuk
Once again, I'm gonna go back to it, I think just because it's funny, it's the thing that's pushed out the most. All the videos when I go on TikTok or something, the first video to pop up is going to be from the ICE from White House. Those videos. Yeah. Whenever I go on TikTok, that's the first thing to pop up. It gets the highest views on their account, things like that. So think making things funny is it?
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Jack Posobiec
Is it? But it is. I guess there is an angle too of sort of the economic situation of Gen Z. Yeah. And you know, I, whenever I read studies, you know, you see how it's, you know, Gen Z just lagging way behind every generation that's come before in terms of, you know, being able to get into the workforce, be able to find work, to generate wealth, to get independently wealthy. And then it's like, I guess there's this idea, or perhaps the overall meme is that it's this massive. Which, by the way, it isn't a meme. And that's going to be clear about this. Right. It's funny. Right? And they are funny. But, but they're funny because they're true. Right. And the reason they connect is because there's truth to it, that, yes, it is the illegal alien invasion that's actually creating this huge anchor and this huge weight on millennials, on Gen Z, on anyone who's trying to just survive in America today.
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Anna Paulina Luna
I agree.
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Olivia Kolchuk
And I think it's important that when people my age or younger see these memes that they're able to go ahead and do some research. Like, why do we want illegals out so badly? You know, opens up job opportunities. They're taking up spaces in colleges.
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Jack Posobiec
Or school, I was going to say, or school opportunities.
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Olivia Kolchuk
I, I know three people actually from one of my best friend's colleges who are not able to return because they weren't here legally. Like, those are three spots I could have gone to. United States citizens.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Like this is happening all across the nation.
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Jack Posobiec
No, and, and by the way, that's not just illegals. That's, that's these, these foreign students that are coming in, that are getting let in because, and by the way, they do that not because they're the best of the best or something. They do it because they have to pay full freight from, if they're from China, if they're from India, wherever, they pay full freight. So all these scholarships, etc, that are going to American students, those slots go over because they, they get to, they make more money. They make more money off of that. Exactly. And, and by the way, they're not coming here. They don't stay. They go back to their home country, whatever they learn. And if they're at Harvard, who knows, by the way, in many of these cases, they're stealing, you know, research from the United States and bring it back to communist China.
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Olivia Kolchuk
It's ridiculous happening.
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Jack Posobiec
I hope that's being taken from American kids.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Yeah. I hope that these students realize when all these spaces open up in colleges and they get to the schools they want to go to too, they actually go for degrees that matter as well. You know, they go, yeah, well, math and stuff. But instead they're getting, you know, Starbucks barista degrees, and that's not going to help. So we definitely need to see a switch there as well.
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Jack Posobiec
No, no, that's a huge part of it. And you will you. Because you talk about feminism a lot as well. And that's something that I think that is. Is indelibly tied right there.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Yeah, let's kick women out of school. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, no, I definitely.
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Jack Posobiec
There was a meme. There was a meme going around about that not too long ago since we are talking memes where they said, like, they said something about, well, women used to go to school to meet a husband. Right. And so. And they said maybe if there's a way we could design colleges.
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Olivia Kolchuk
They do at byu.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, like. Like, if you. You can go, but you. You just stay away from, like, the classes.
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Olivia Kolchuk
No, but they go for sororities and the drinking life and to become, you know, a word I won't say on here. So that's. That's why they're going to college. They're wasting tens of thousands of. Of dollars and then they're.
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Jack Posobiec
We need to. We need to end the degeneracy and return to tradition.
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Olivia Kolchuk
Agreed.
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Jack Posobiec
Olivia, where can people go to follow you?
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Olivia Kolchuk
Olivia Kolch on X, tik tok and Instagram.
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Jack Posobiec
All right. God bless.
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Andre Bauer
Thank you.
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Jack Posobiec
Thank you. Jack Posic, Student Action Summit. Incredible weekend. Incredible connections with incredible patriots. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a.