Narrative Shattered: The Pretti Hoax Has Been Blown Wide Open

Summary

Episode Overview

Title: "Narrative Shattered: The Pretti Hoax Has Been Blown Wide Open"
Host: Jack Posobiec (Human Events Daily)
Guests: Dr. Charles Cornishdale a.k.a. the Raw Egg Nationalist; Will Chamberlain (Article III Project); Evita Duffy
Air Date: January 29, 2026

This episode dissects how recently surfaced and verified footage has upended the mainstream narrative surrounding the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti by federal agents in Minneapolis. Jack Posobiec and his guests argue that Pretti was falsely depicted as an innocent nurse and Good Samaritan, while they assert he was a seasoned agitator involved in organized anti-ICE actions. The conversation unfolds as a broader critique of media handling, agitprop tactics, radicalization on the left, and the appropriate use of state power.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Destruction of the “Peaceful Nurse” Narrative

Timestamp: 03:42–05:15

• Main Point: Jack Posobiec and Raw Egg Nationalist discuss newly surfaced BBC-verified video showing Alex Pretti’s involvement in a prior altercation with federal agents, challenging the widely circulated “peaceful nurse” narrative.
• Jack: "This completely destroys the narrative... that this individual was some peaceful nurse rendering aid."
• They argue the original portrayal was propagated by left-leaning media and activists, and claim firsthand instincts recognized Pretti’s combative demeanor as familiar to long-time observers of Antifa actions.

2. Patterns of Agitation & Agitprop

Timestamp: 05:15–14:17

• Antifa Comparisons: Pretti’s behavior is likened to that of repeat left-wing agitators—deliberately escalating confrontations with law enforcement.
• Training & Organization: The guests contend Antifa and similar groups use advanced organization—spotters, signal chats, tactical disruption—to provoke and document altercations for propaganda.
• Cornishdale: "There is a very distinctive MO that Antifa has... the Democrat Party... utilizes groups like Antifa... as foot soldiers, as a paramilitary, and that is what they are." (11:27)
• They discuss Jim O’Keefe’s account of “spotters” positioning themselves throughout a city to surveil ICE movements.

3. The Truth About Pretti’s Actions

Timestamp: 14:17–18:51

• Pretti is described as being “on duty” as a spotter, not an incidental bystander.
• The hosts cite evidence Pretti was armed and acting deliberately without proper credentials, allegedly in violation of law.
• "He is not using this firearm for the purposes of self defense. He's using it for offense or attempting to." – Jack (16:23)
• They equate his actions with those of Gage Grosskreutz in Kenosha ("advancing on Kyle Rittenhouse to execute him" – Cornishdale 15:42) and argue the mainstream press downplayed Pretti’s violent intent.

4. Media and Public Perception Failure

Timestamp: 19:13–25:45

• The episode highlights how influential media figures and trusted commentators (e.g., Joe Rogan) originally misread or misrepresented Pretti’s involvement, some later retracting.
• Will Chamberlain: “Are you vulnerable to left wing agitprop? And should you be?” (29:33)
• The role of “agitprop”—agitation and propaganda—is explored as an intentional strategy to provoke state action and then recast it as oppression.
• Cornishdale draws parallels to narrative manipulation in the George Floyd case.

5. The Psychology of Radicalization

Timestamp: 21:16–26:31

• Jack: "I would say a spiral of radicalization... when they make the decision to cross that line between peaceful protest and violent radical, it is typically tied to a major life event." (21:24)
• They discuss personal life setbacks (divorce, unemployment, mental health) as precursors to joining radical action, citing Pretti’s divorce, dropouts among other recent violent actors, and similar patterns.
• Cornishdale’s book, "The Last Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity," is referenced to posit that physiological and psychological shifts (e.g., testosterone decline) influence the aggressiveness and instability of modern male agitators.

6. Libertarians, the Right, & State Power

Timestamp: 34:23–37:26

• Will Chamberlain and Cornishdale debate the “New Right” strategy of consciously wielding government power to achieve conservative outcomes, versus libertarian reluctance to use state machinery.
• Will Chamberlain: "The defining ethos of the New Right is to use government power to achieve conservative ends. And it's deeply anti-libertarian in that respect." (34:23)
• They argue that refusing to use state power results in ceding ground to the left, risking total bureaucratic entrenchment or worse.

7. Anarcho-Tyranny and the Weaponization of Chaos

Timestamp: 42:21–44:44

• Cornishdale defines anarcho-tyranny (Sam Francis’s term): Government overlooking low-level crime to weaponize chaos, control working citizens, and destabilize middle-class society.
• Examples discussed include lack of sanctions for agitators like Pretti and broader leniency toward violent protest while stricter law enforcement (and negative press) targets those supporting immigration enforcement or conservative causes.

8. Gen Z, Optics, and Political Consequences

Timestamp: 38:39–41:12

• Guest Evita Duffy provides a “Gen Z” and local perspective, noting that younger voters, especially conservatives, list immigration control as a top issue due to its impact on the job market.
• She criticizes media manipulation of optics—casting law enforcement as villains and agitators as victims—while reminding listeners of the lived consequences in communities near Minneapolis.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jack Posobiec (03:42): “This completely destroys the narrative... that they were trying to say that this individual was some peaceful nurse rendering aid. He was merely there on the side of the angels.”
• Raw Egg Nationalist (11:27): “There is a very distinctive MO that Antifa has... Democrats utilize groups like Antifa and these people on the ground as foot soldiers, as a paramilitary, and that is what they are.”
• Will Chamberlain (29:33): “Are you vulnerable to left wing agitprop?... It’s embarrassing that [some on the right] got caught up with it.”
• Jack Posobiec (16:23): “He is not using this firearm for the purposes of self defense. He's using it for offense or attempting to.”
• Cornishdale (42:21): “Anarcho-tyranny... describes the way in which chaos is controlled, directed, weaponized by government against citizens in order to control them.”
• Evita Duffy (40:48): “They're making it that way, Jack... It's being self presented as horrific as a Nazi regime.”
• Jack Posobiec (36:31): “That’s exactly what happened at the end of the Span—or during the Spanish Civil War, when they rounded up all of the conservatives... and walked them out to the mass graves.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Video undermines Pretti narrative & panel introduction: 03:42–05:15
• Spotters & agitator tactics: 12:21–14:17
• Media manipulation & agitprop explained: 29:33–31:23
• Radicalization patterns & masculinity: 21:24–25:45
• State power: libertarian vs. New Right: 34:23–37:26
• Anarcho-tyranny definition: 42:21–43:21
• Gen Z view & mass deportation optics: 38:39–41:12

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Conclusion

The episode’s core message is that the circulated narrative about Alex Pretti as a peaceful victim was manufactured, and recent video evidence “blows the case open,” exposing his role as a repeat agitator and challenging not only media coverage but also the knee-jerk reactions among mainstream and alternative commentators. Jack Posobiec and his guests frame the situation as part of a wider struggle over the control of narratives, political radicalization of the left, and the right's need to wield government power forcefully in response.

Final Words (Jack, 47:19):
“Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.”

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Guest Handles:

• Jack Posobiec: @JackPosobiec
• Raw Egg Nationalist: @BabyGravy9
• Evita Duffy: @EvitaDuffy1
• Will Chamberlain: @willchamberlain

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New York Times reporting President Trump and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer are close to reaching a deal negotiate possible new restrictions on immigration agents. It comes after Democrats threatened to partially shut down the government by blocking funds for Homeland Security amid outrage over the fatal shootings of Alex Preddy and Renee.

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Meanwhile, new video appears to Show Alex Preddy 11 days before he was shot kicking a Federal agents are seen tackling him to the ground and he walks away, a gun visible on his waistband.

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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. Today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here in WA back in Washington D.C. and don't let our B roll deceive you because it is a snowy, icy, freezing cold Washington D.C. the roads here are terrible. I have no idea who's in charge of this. It's absolute chaos on the streets. But one thing where there's even more chaos is in the narrative in Minneapolis that it was completely shattered Yesterday. Today is January 29, 2026 Anno Domini. Joining me here in studio is Dr. Charles Cornishdale, aka the Raw Egg Nationalist. What's up, Brad?

[C]

It's great to be with you again, Jack.

[A]

So let me ask you this. We see this video and guys, as we're chatting, you know, throw up the B roll, a little bit of this, this new video of Alex Pareti brought to us, verified by the BBC of all places. You know, very strange there. This completely destroys the narrative, doesn't it, that they were trying to say that this individual was some peaceful nurse rendering aid. He was merely there on the side of the angels. And so many people lied about this. And I think we need to really spend the entire episode talking about all of them.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I think we should. I mean, it's. Yet again, it's vindication of our instincts, our basic instincts. You know, we. As soon as that first footage came out of the shooting, it's like, no, this, this guy, this isn't his first rodeo. This guy is. This guy is obviously not just a bystander. He's obviously not just a good Samaritan who tried to intervene, you know, to help a woman who was being heinously attacked by, you know, by immigration agents. No, this is. This guy is a. Is a violent person. He's obviously a violent person. He's probably a professional to some degree has probably done this kind of thing before. Nope, it was denied until leftists and anti Trump people were blue in the face. And then look what happens. We get confirmation that this is actually. This is, this is actually an unpleasant person. This is a. Was a deeply unpleasant person. You know, he's spitting at immigration agents.

[A]

And there's something, I'll say this to me, even in that first footage, there's something in the eyes, there's something in the bearing that I've seen before at so many of these antifa riots, at so many of these situations where, you know, you just know. You've seen it a million times. This look, the rigidity, the way he squares up, the way he launches himself at the officers when they first arrive. And People want to play this game of the freeze frame game, I call it, where they just go through bit by bit, like it's a Bruder film. And you can, you know, but that's not what it's like in reality. There's the sirens and the shrill whistles and actually have one of the whistles I left at home. I should have grabbed it, and. And this cacophony of sounds created by the agitators to escalate the tensions on the ground. Keep in mind that these agents are not going around looking for protesters. They're going around sweeping for illegal aliens.

[C]

Well, look, I mean, with the Renee Goode case, then what did we see afterwards? We saw the shooting for various different angles, but we also saw footage of Rene Goode's wife saying, I didn't believe you had real bullets. I thought you didn't have real bullets. They're there to escalate. Of course they're there to escalate. They want to escalate, but at the same time, they don't seem to understand the stakes a lot of the time. And so, yeah, I mean, you know, you've been nose to nose with these antifa people before.

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Yeah, of course they're protecting these people. And I think, you know, when you said, who was that? Like, I mean, I'll tell you who Alex Pretty reminds me of, actually. Is that Joseph Rosenbaum, one of the. Yeah, one of the guys who tried to kill. Who tried to kill Kyle Rittenhouse. Shoot me. Shoot me.

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Yeah. Go to assault me. Assault me.

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Assault me. It's exactly the same language. And what did Joseph Rosenbaum do? He tried to disarm Kyle Rittenhouse and wanted to kill him. He wanted to kill him simply for being. For being in Kenosha and trying to protect a business from being burned down.

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Which, by the way, not very far from Minneapolis.

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Exactly. No, I mean, this is all. It's all linked. I mean, this is. There is a very distinctive MO That Antifa has, and there is a very distinctive way, actually, that the Democrat Party and the left, the organs of leftist government, utilizes groups like Antifa and these people on the ground as foot soldiers, as a paramilitary, and that is what they are. And, you know, there's compelling analysis. There was a thread on Twitter, actually, by a chap called Eric Schwalm, I think about. And he was a warrant officer, I think, in the Special Forces. And he talked about, you know, the similarities between what was happening, what has been happening in Minneapolis, and what he saw in Anbar province in Iraq and Afghanistan. The same kinds of organization, the same kinds of division of labor, where you have people who are spotters and they're watching, and you have checklists, and what.

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People have to know about these spotters is that. So I actually met with James o' Keefe yesterday after the show, and he was telling me, he said, jack, they're in cafes, they're in hotel lobbies. Sometimes they work in the hotels, sometimes they work in the restaurants. They're on every block, and they're spread throughout the city, so that. Oh, when there's a convoy, boom, they come up. So Alex Preddy, that morning, he's not, you know, walking down the street, minding his business. No, he's on duty. He's on duty as one of these active spotters, and that's why he's the first on the scene. So for people who say, oh, well, you know, he just showed up to a protest. No, no, no, no, no. He showed up to disrupt the operation. He should do his job, to do his job. Exactly. The protest, the riot, all of that came after the fact.

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And I, you know, I think to go back to the Renee Goode thing. Her husband. Her husband. No, sorry.

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Freudian. Freudian.

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Freudian slip there. Her wife.

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Or you could even say street wife, because actually there's no record of them actually being married.

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Quite. Yeah, quite. But her. Her partner, her wife had been that week to an organized. It was a zoom session, I think, but it was nevertheless an organized training session on how to disrupt ICE operations using vehicles. I mean, you know, this is organized. I mean, it's.

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And of course, the tactic that we see. And we'll have Wilt Chamberlain on here in a minute, who knows about this. One of the other tactics is the de arrest.

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Yes.

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So when he sees an ICE officer, an ICE agent, going towards whether it's a woman, a fellow comrade, neighbor. Right. Barack Obama's word. That's. That's the new word, the neighbor. Right. Tovarish. The. The new word is de arrest. So we're going to go and disrupt even the arrest. That's what he's doing when he's going over with the woman.

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Yes. Yeah. It's not that he. Not that he has some sort of objection to, you know, the ICE agent or the CBP agent is being too rough. It's being brutal. It's. No, I mean, it's. The moment you see someone being arrested, you need to get in the way. And what does that do? Well, it makes it harder to arrest the person. Maybe they can escape, but it also makes the likelihood of escalation greater. And look what happened. Look what happened. But these people know exactly what they're doing. They're coached, they're trained. They're ready for this.

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So that being said, and you know, we are going to. We are going to have to check this out, the pattern, and I'm going to go in even here a step further. The fact that he armed himself multiple times while knowing that he was going out to these. These incidents, going out on duty, going out as an agitator. We see him do it the first time, we see him do it again, and we know that he did not have his legal ID or his carry permit, which. I have my carry permit on me right now. I'll leave it to you to figure out whether or not I'm armed. And I've got my ID on me right now. And you know that if you're going out to lawfully carry, you will carry those things. He did not do that either time.

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No, no. And that's again, I mean, I think.

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As far as we know, for the.

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First time, that was another parallel, I think, with the Rittenhouse thing. Right, Gage. I think it was Gage Grosskreutz.

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Was his expired.

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Yeah, he was. He was armed. He had a pistol. He was advancing on Carl Rittenhouse to execute him on the floor. Yes, but no, he wasn't. He didn't have a permit. He wasn't legally.

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He had an expired permit, if I believe so.

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I mean. Yeah, I mean, do you. They know what they're doing? I think that that's the. That's the key here.

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I keep hearing this from the. The lobertarians out there saying, oh, but you. I thought you were for the Second Amendment. I thought you were for gun rights. And of course, we're for those. For the purposes of self defense. Criminals use guns every day. We don't support criminals using firearms because we don't support crime.

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Okay.

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This is a very basic thing, but this is something I want to tease out with you a little bit, because there is. We have seen the lobertarians completely take the side of this offender, someone who's been. He was certainly violently resisting arrest the first time. He has no one to blame for himself other than himself for what happened. But we see him the second time as well. He is not using this firearm for the purposes of self defense. He's using it for offense or attempting to.

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Yeah, of course. And I think that's a. That's a crucial distinction is, you know, I mean, yes. I mean, everybody supports the Second Amendment or should support the Second Amendment, but you shouldn't get confused about the purposes that these weapons serve. I mean, he is going out there not only to disrupt, but potentially actually to use a weapon, maybe to. Maybe to kill an immigration agent. I mean, and certainly. Certainly to make it more likely that the situation will escalate. And. Yeah, but these Lobatarians, every time, they have completely the wrong instincts every single time.

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It's.

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It's this sort of sense that any time the government is used and government force is used for any purpose, then you must be against it. Even if we see in this case a violent individual who is armed in the first video, and by the way, I'm not conceding any point of this. He's obviously disrupting traffic and is either blocking traffic or urging cars to come. Come forward to disrupt an arrest operation. He's interjecting himself while armed. So that's an armed roadblock that he is attempting to set up. And then he's bringing his comrades. Further, he's already put out the call for more people to come because he wants to disrupt this operation again while armed. That was his own irresponsible action. Then he's attacking agents while armed. And that means at some point he intended to draw for some reason. And he knows that his target is ICE agents. Now, we don't see him again, we don't see him draw, but at the same time, this is visible. It's visible the entire time.

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Yeah, well, he did. I mean he did reach for his magazine and he reached for it.

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Yeah. So well, well, he doesn't realize that he's got. It's just his magazine at this point.

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But still, I mean, the point stands. If there has. If there had been a gun there, he would have drawn it and he.

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Might have shot someone and, and we have no idea what would have happened. And that's why you can't look at these things in play the freeze frame game. You have to look at the totality of evidence as it was understood by the people at the time. Right back. Jack was sovic Human Events Daily.

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Talk about influencers.

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These are influencers and, and they're friends of mine. Jack. Where's Jack?

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Jack.

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He's got a great job. I want to say something about that. So Jack Posobec back live here, Human Events Daily. We're in Studio Washington D.C. with the raw egg Nationalist. One of the things that I wanted to point out here with Alex Preddy is that he was. Now there's, there's a lot of rumors going around about his family, things his family has said, his parents have said, his job in and out of work, which exactly it was. We don't know exactly the details of that. And there have been some rumors. So I don't want to get into it whether or not it's substantiated, but one thing that I do see here is that Alex was formerly married. According to the Associated Press, his ex wife didn't want to share her name publicly. She hadn't spoken to him since they divorced more than two years ago, hadn't spoken to him since they divorced and she moved out of Minnesota after his death. His ex wife said she was not surprised by reports that he had been present at demonstrations tied to the immigration policies because he had taken part in protests after the killing of George Floyd, also in Minneapolis, which occurred near where the couple once lived. Alex could be outspoken toward police during protests and that he obtained a permit to carry roughly three years ago. So what we're seeing here actually is a. I would say a spiral of radicalization. And this is something where typically when you see these radicals, when they. When they make this decision to go violent, when they make the decision to cross that line between peaceful protest and violent radical is. It is typically tied to a major life event. So I'll just say right here, Alex, Freddie, divorced. Thomas Matthew Crooks, drop. It was a college dropout. Tyler Robinson, college dropout. You see this over and Luigi Maggione, college. He graduates college, but then he drops out of his, you know, sort of his. His work life and he goes traveling and he's in Thailand be getting beaten up by ladyboys. And you know, again he just has this break with his, you know, I think he got to work and he didn't like it. So he, you know, he's unemployed at the time. You see these shifts in life changes over and over again with people who then these major life events. And it seems though, that in some way they feel as though life isn't going their way. And then they turn to these radical causes and attempt to take radical action when as a way of, you know, perhaps in group themselves or perhaps a sort of search for their own.

[C]

It provides heroism, meaning.

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Yeah, unpack that for us. Because it's a pattern we see again and again.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, it is. I mean, I think, and I actually think that not enough focus goes on this radicalization process. Especially, you know, as you just laid out, Jack, there are clear parallels between Tyler Robinson, Thomas Matthew Crookes, this college dropout thing. Right. Same kind of period. They're the same kind. They were, I think, the same kinds of person. But, you know, they go through the same life event and then suddenly they're. They're murdering people. One of them tries to murder the President of the United States and another murders, you know, the most important young conservative in the U.S. i mean, that's a hell of a thing to do because I mean, we all suffer to some extent in our lives. We'll suffer setbacks and reversals and whatever, but these people, I think, take reversals and setbacks particularly hard. Maybe that they're, you know, very significant setbacks and reversals. I mean, Luigi Mangione suffered very bad health. And I think that, that, that, that embittered him about the state of health care in the U.S. he Also, I think, got quite heavily into. Into drugs as well. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there is actually a. If we could reconstruct a detailed chronology of exactly what happened to Alex Pretty to drive him to, you know, from being an ICU nurse, happily married, let's say, to being basically an antifa foot soldier who is going out armed, onto the streets of Minneapolis to do battle in, like, life and death situations with immigration agents.

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You have talked about this in your book. Where would it surprise you? And I don't know that we have any evidence of this, but would it surprise you if we found out that Alex Preddy was a vegan?

[C]

No, not. No, not at all. Not at all. It's a surprising thing because.

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So tell people what your book is and the thesis.

[C]

Yeah, so my book is called New Books Just Come Out. It's called the Last Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity. And it's about testosterone and testosterone decline in particular. So we're witnessing a kind of civilizational decline in testosterone levels in recent decades. And it has very clear political implications. And I unpack the political implications and talk about, you know, where we're heading with a society of increasingly low testosterone men. But one thing that actually isn't appreciated is that.

[A]

Well, so wait a minute. But isn't testosterone usually associated with aggression? Aren't we told usually that people who have higher testosterone have higher aggression? So how can we associate violence with lower testosterone?

[C]

Well, this is the interesting thing because actually it's not that simple. And estrogen, which is typically seen as the female hormone, actually has very important effects on aggression as well. So there are these. There are these very funny studies of monkeys, for example, where they gave male monkeys soy isoflavones, which are estrogenic compounds in soy, and it basically turned them into incel monkeys. It basically made them into these sort of passive aggressive, nasty, sneaky monkeys. They'd retreat from the rest of the troop and then, you know, launch a kind of vicious attack when the rest of the troop weren't looking or something like that. So an estrogenic man actually can be more aggressive than a man with testosterone. Now, a man with more testosterone might be dangerous, but more dangerous even and more motivated, whatever. But I think there's a difference between the kinds of aggression that estrogen and testosterone.

[A]

One, it almost seems like one is more spastic, one is more randomized, erratic.

[C]

Yeah. Whereas emotional.

[A]

Emotional where? Ups and downs. Whereas testosterone, that has more regulation.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That has more. More balance, more regularity.

[C]

Yeah. And I mean, I think probably a man who has high testosterone is likely to feel more confident in himself. You know, there's a. There's always an element, actually, with a lot of this violence that actually, it's men who I think, don't feel very confident about themselves and they want to assert themselves. They want to, you know, I got a show. I'm a man. I got to, you know, I've got to be violent in order to overcompensation. Yeah, it's over compensation and yeah, I wouldn't be so. I mean, it's so funny, isn't it? You know, these pictures that have been used of Alex Pretty that have been digitally altered.

[A]

So they're actually making him, turn him into like. Has been mewing and he's got a jawline and more hair and, and. And all of which kind of goes to show you that what. What you're talking about in your book is. Isn't some, you know, isn't some fantasy. We can see it play out in reality even on MSNBC or Ms. Now. Be right back. Jack, the Sovik Rog Nationalist here at Cuman Events Daily. Special guest coming up.

[D]

Jack.

[A]

Where's Jack? Where is he?

[C]

Jack, I want to see you.

[A]

Great job, Jack.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who've been getting bullishers. All right, Jack Rasobic, we are back here, Human Events Daily. We're on Real America's Voice. We've got Raw Egg Nationalist here live in studio. I want to bring in now Will Chamberlain from the Article 3 project. Will, how are you?

[D]

Doing great. Doing great. Good to be with you both.

[A]

So, Will, this incredible vindication from local media in Minneapolis as well as the BBC of all places, verifying that Alex Brady, yes, in fact, just like everyone said at the beginning, was an agitator, was a disruptive, committed communist sympathizer, was very violent while armed with. With law enforcement, with federal law enforcement. I mean, it's just something where the narrative is completely been shattered that they were trying to erect. That this guy was just, oh, some peaceful ICU nurse. There's a video now. Pictures going around. Not just look smacking him as Ren was just talking about in the last segment. We were talking about the. They're trying to digitally increase his testosterone levels. But it's true, they're trying to digitally increase his testosterone levels. But also they've made videos of him helping out with veterans and all the rest. It's so ridiculous. Will, I've gotta ask you though, why was it that so many people that, you know, nominally say, oh, I support, you know, immigration restrictions and, you know, I want to, you know, decrease the amount of illegals in this country. But, but, but, but, you know, this is just so icky, this is just so wrong. You know, so many people immediately took the side of the leftist agitator on this. And even, by the way, even Joe Rogan has come out now and said that this guy, you know, was not doing what he should have been, that he was acting irresponsibly. So many people now are having to walk back statements, certain individual running around calling me a hypocrite, saying, oh, Jack o', Brien, just a peaceful guy. No, no, he wasn't. No. What is it will that that caused so many people to just immediately have that knee jerk response be so incredibly wrong?

[D]

So are you. The question is, are you vulnerable to left wing agitprop? And you know, should you be? You know, I mean, there's people like Eric Erickson who have no business being vulnerable to left wing agitprop. They've been doing the Republican commentary game for decades now. It's kind of embarrassing that they got caught up with it. There's other people, I'm thinking of people like Dave Smith, kind of more of the libertarian types. I just call out what I see. I think they have, they have trouble reconciling in their minds the sort of what is needed to actually restrict immigration in the United States with their more broader pro agitprop advocacy elsewhere in the world. I think it's very difficult for them to reconcile. Like for Dave, from day perspective, he's been buying into this sort of Pallywood style agitprop in Israel for years now. And now that the left in the United States is doing what the Palestinians were doing in Gaza, he's not able to kind of reorient himself and realize that, oh, this is agitprop, this is all fake nonsense and you need to do that. And I think Survich had a very.

[A]

Interesting tweet the other day.

[D]

He's like, the right wing Jews, of all the people who kind of messed up here, the right wing Jews were like, saw right through this. Even, even Joel Berry of all people, saw right through this and was based on their incorrect on the subject. So it just goes to show there's, there's something to that.

[A]

Well, so Will, walk us through what, what is agitprop? You know, how is it that that agitprop, you know, is used just sort of in a general sense, regardless of what the setting is.

[D]

So agitprop, you're trying to, you know, you're fighting the legitimate authority, trying to provoke A confrontation with them. And then when there's violence, you're, you know, trying to get it, make propaganda out of it. So there you go, agit, agitation, propaganda. So that's what that is. That's. And really every one of these videoed interactions between these antifa protesters and law enforcement is an attempt to create useful agit prop.

[A]

And so then let's go back to rogue nationalist, because how is it then that this type of agit prop has been used in, in the past? Because we see it over and over. It's like a, you know, it's like a, like a pheromone goes out or something and the media just immediately spreads it everywhere.

[C]

Yeah, well, look, I mean, I think, I think the playbook is well established by now. We've, we've seen the same kinds of things happen. I mean, the great example, obviously, the real example is George Floyd. It all comes back to George Floyd in a sense. Sense. You know, that, that worked so spectacularly well. The framing of. The framing of the narrative, the selective presentation of evidence, even though, you know, you could watch the video and make up your own mind, the narrative was framed so well. The media got behind it, the politicians got behind it, the celebrities, captains of industry, basically the entire world got behind this, this narrative. And it worked. And it was basically a domestic color revolution in the US and so it's no surprise then that they're deploying exactly the same tactics. I mean, it's worth remembering George Floyd happened during the first Trump presidency. Trump was in power. They can do these things even when they're not formally in power. But, yeah, I mean, it's disappointing. It's very disappointing to see people who should know better because we've seen this all before. We've seen it happen. We've seen large parts of the George Floyd narrative unravel too. You know, a lot of people have come around to the notion that maybe actually George Floyd wasn't the saint who made, you know, the most amazing banana and mayonnaise sandwiches that the media has.

[A]

However, I should ask, by the way, do we. It is possible at this point that he, we may now, he may have actually been having the city dish of Minneapolis. Rice and bananas.

[C]

Yeah, well, I mean, we learn a lot about what it really means to be a Minnesotan. It's. It's rice. Rice and bananas.

[D]

Right?

[A]

Rice and bananas. Now, Will Chamberlain, let's, let's, you know, want to jump back on you and ask about this, because what's really going on here, you know, and Tim Pool, massive Credit to him for coming up with the line. You know, they say, oh, you guys are a bunch of bootlickers. And he responds here said, no, we are the boot. We voted for this boot. This is a huge difference between the conservative and libertarian forms of philosophy, I would say, because we're in one hand it's saying, oh, we're going to restrict government power and that's the way for the flourishment of liberty. Whereas I think folks on the New Right, this has been the new thinking to say, well wait a minute, in the current situation, you know, we just don't have the luxury of being able to do that. We need to fix the situation we're in now and then perhaps we can look to other things.

[D]

Right? I mean, I think the defining ethos of the New Right is to use government power to achieve conservative ends. And it's deeply anti libertarian in that respect. And so I was actually thinking about this the other day. There was a great piece from Paul Graham, who sucks on politics generally, but he had a very interesting piece about how experienced computer scientists think about the world. They see things in the world that can be fixed, like the way a carpenter sees, like a broken hinge. A computer scientist or a good computer coder sees problems in the world and thinks, I can use code to fix that. Well, I think part of what we're doing is we're, you know, we're looking at the world and seeing ways law can fix the problems we see from a conservative perspective. And so we, we're perfectly willing to use law, we're perfectly willing to come up with legal fixes and changes to policy to do things like that. We don't have an attitude towards government power that is reflexively against it. Because the idea is that the, a small government is, is a means, not an end, right? If the small government is the means to human flourishing, it's not the be all end all of anything. And so there's going to be times when government needs to act to achieve the goals of human flourish flourishing that we, we look for. There's a lot of reasons why I think the libertarian philosophy is just ultimately very simplistic and relies. So it's just, it's like they, they think they know the answer before they've ever done real empirical analysis of what actually would work. Because the answer is always less government. And it's like that's, that's sort of.

[A]

Reflexive and dogmatic and, and I'll toss it back to Ren here for a second. So what happens if we say, oh, we shouldn't use, use government power because what if the left uses it against us in the future?

[C]

Well, what happens is that you end up disqualifying yourself, you end up ceding power, allowing your enemies to become totally entrenched in government, to become totally entrenched in the bureaucracy, all the major institutions, the universities, all the institutions of public life. And then potentially you're shut out from government for good. And you know, maybe you end up lined up alongside a trench in a, in a field in the early hours of the morning waiting to be, you know, shoveled into a, into a mass grave.

[A]

I mean, that's exactly what happened at the end of the span or during, I should say the Spanish Civil War, when they rounded up all of the conservatives of Madrid and their children, by the way, put them into mass prisons and then eventually they told them they were being released and they walked them out to the mass graves.

[C]

Yeah. The stakes are that high. We're not being hyperbolic here. It's not silly to look at past examples of conservative failure, past examples of right wing failure and say, look, we need to learn from this. Like we can't. Yes, we can. As Will rightly said, you know, small government can be, and in some, in appropriate circumstances should be the means to an end, but it's not the end in itself. And simply limiting ourselves to not using this incredibly powerful apparatus of government that's being used against us and has been.

[A]

Used against us, that's a recipe for failure. Will Chamberlain, where can people follow you?

[D]

Follow me on Xill Chamberlain.

[A]

All right, right back with my favorite anti communist joining us in a moment. Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event and we're going to turn it around and make our country great again. Amen. Foreigner back live here with the raw egg nationalist in studio Human Events Daily. So wanted to get on because people are telling me, they say, oh well, you know, you know, people are saying that the, the heavy handed tactics of the administration, they're, they're just getting too strong. It's getting out of hand. You know, they've, they've run their course. So I said, all right, you know, let's get on, let's get on. A female perspective. So someone who by the way lives in the area not far away from the city of Minneapolis. It is of course my favorite anti communist Evita Duffy.

[B]

Hey Jack, thanks so much for having me.

[A]

So Let me ask you about this. You're, you and your husband, you're not far from who was just on the show the other day, are not far, of course, from Minneapolis. You've seen all this. You personally covered the riots in Kenosha. What is your sense of, of these illegal raids? Where's Gen Z added when it comes to polling? You know, do they want to see the mass deportations continue or do they want a de escalation and some kind of pause?

[B]

So first and foremost, there are millions of Americans across the country who voted for President Trump, who voted therefore for mass deportations and are being defrauded out of their vote by psychopath antifa Karens. In Minneapolis, people in St. Croix county, which is 20 minutes from Minneapolis, voted for President Trump. The people of the 7th district of Wisconsin, which borders Minnesota and therefore Minneapolis voted overwhelmingly for President Trump. We see the problems that Minneapolis lets in with their, with their toleration of illegal immigration spill into our communities. So because a bunch of crazy people in Minneapolis, encouraged by the government officials, are trying to subvert ice, confront ice. We don't have a country anymore that's completely unjustified. And Gen Z, I mean, it's fascinating. You're seeing a lot of young people confront ICE in the streets. But I'm also noticing a lot of millennials, if you ask young conservative Gen Zers, Immigration is the number one or two issue. And that's because mass immigration devalues American labor. No one is hurt more by the devaluation of American labor than young Americans. So this is a winning issue for young people, for Republicans, for Trump, and I hope they stick with it.

[A]

And so the question I suppose is more, I guess, now let me ask you the question of like the optics, you know, are there some people who say, well, the optics aren't, aren't good. We don't want to see this. We want to get rid of Bovino. We want to get rid of these, these raids, these sweeps. And they would prefer it to be done in some, I don't know, magical fantasy wave, a magic wand, and they all go home.

[B]

Well, they're making it that way, Jack. I mean, this is, it's being self presented as horrific as a Nazi regime.

[D]

Right?

[B]

I mean, and you guys talked about this a little bit before, the way that they are lying about the.

[A]

Wait, wait, Vita, I have to give you a pause on that because, Steve, Stephen Colbert says we're not allowed to call them Nazis anymore because that would be offensive to the Nazis.

[B]

Jewish Americans need to come out and Rebuke it. I mean, it's absurd that we're going to say ICE is worse than the Nazis. What are we even doing right now? And of course, the left always gets away with that kind of rhetoric. They always paint people who are agitators, who are breaking the law as somehow victims. That's the migrants. That's also the radical lefties who are confronting ICE in these cities. They did it with George Floyd. They also did it with Jordan Neely. If you remember, that was an incredible altercation with Jordan Neely and a young former veteran. He was presented as a child, as a young black child. No, the guy was a man, a black male man who was schizophrenic, had a history of drug abuse, clearly was having an episode. They lie about these situations all the time to garner sympathy for the agitators, for the criminals. And the victims are always, always law abiding citizens.

[A]

Well, and you see this again and again take place, Rog nationalists throw it to you for a second because this is a form of anarcho tyranny, isn't it? What is anarcho tyranny?

[C]

Well, anarcho t tyranny is a term that Sam Francis came up with In I think 1991, 1992, to describe the way in which chaos is controlled, directed, weaponized by government against the citizens in order to control them. Basically, you know, so what you have is you have low level crime is tolerated and encouraged. Criminals are given lenient prison sentences or just let off altogether as a way actually of maintaining this kind of endemic crime, terrorizing the kind of the middle classes in particular, squeezing the taxpaying classes harder and harder and basically kind of scaring them straight. And it's something that, I mean, you can think of untold examples in America today. It's a very, very pervasive way.

[A]

Let's just use the example that Evita Duffy is talking about because she's saying that you have these millions of tax paying middle class Trump voters who are now being disenfranchised because of the chaos that is being used. The Karens, who are again, suburban moms who have been so radicalized that they're willing to conduct ISIS style vehicular assaults on federal officers. This is a serious issue. And the radicalization of suburban women in America absolutely needs to be studied. But what Evita is talking about is how the government doesn't seem to do anything, or at least the local government doesn't seem to do anything about these types of criminals, whether they be the Jordan Neelys whether they be the or the Alex Preddy, who again is on video. I'm going to keep saying this and the left is really mad at me online for saying it. He was on video committing crime and the state of Minnesota, the city of Minneapolis did absolutely nothing to him. They did not revoke his concealed carry permit. So there were or even faced charges as far as we're told, because told he was no criminal history whatsoever. Evita, this is exactly what you're talking about, isn't it? This is how the people in power squeeze out the middle class by using these agitators, using this criminal class at the bottom and then essentially giving them a free pass.

[B]

This is so key, Jack. The violence and the chaos is intentional and it's not being caused by ice. It's being encouraged by Democrat leadership. Just a few years ago we saw this in 2020 on a mass scale. I was on the ground in Kenosha. Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers sent more National Guardsmen to a Milwaukee Bucks game than he did on the first night of rioting in Kenosha. He let the city burn for three days before he accepted federal help from President Trump. He did that on purpose because he believed that the riots were politically beneficial. For Democrats, it's always intentional. They always use fear to try and strangle law abiding citizens out of justice, out of law and order, out of what they voted for, which is of course President Trump and mass deportations.

[A]

And I'll toss it back to Rog National. So when you're in a situation like this, how do you get through it? How do you overcome it? How do you as at a citizenry, how do you stand up to the agit prop?

[C]

Well, I mean, I certainly know what you, what you don't do as an administration, you don't back down. I don't think you can back down from this kind of violence. I mean, there are different ways to handle it, certainly, and there are better and there are worse ways. And we've been talking a little bit about optics and of course you want to avoid government agents, federal agents, immigration agents killing people. I'm not saying it wasn't justified, but it does look bad. And if you can avoid that kind of stuff, then obviously you would want to. But nevertheless, you can't be seen to back down in the face of this because of course you're sending signals. You're sending a very clear signal. You back down, you withdraw ice, you come back off the streets. Okay, no, we're not going to deport people anymore. What does the left think, oh, we can get what we want by being violent. And they do get what what they want by being being violent. That's the, that's what's happened again and again and again and it happened most spectacularly of course in 2020. But I mean I think for ordinary people then you just have to question I think you, you need to often you know you see these videos that appear online. The shooting of, of Alex Pretty the shooting of Renee Goode the way I.

[A]

Always put it is simple. It's, it's number one the 48 hour rule which the great Scott Adams gave us and then also ask the question what happened before? What happened after? Real quick raw nationalist your coordinates.

[C]

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[A]

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