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Ozzy Osbourne Dead at 76, Ghislaine Maxwell Subpoenaed and The CapEx Comeback
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Jack Posobic
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Joe Lavorna
Christ is the Trump administration has released thousands of records related to the 1968 assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Despite his family's opposition.
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Jack Posobic
The 240,000 thousand pages have been under a court imposed seal since 1977. Trump today meeting with the President of the Philippines expected to talk trade 10 days out from sweeping reciprocal tariffs set to hit trading partners around the world. The Treasury Secretary saying the administration is not rushing trade negotiations. Developments out of China with the State Department confirming a US Government employee has been blocked from leaving the country.
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Shane Cashman
This comes as an Atlanta based managing.
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Jack Posobic
Director at Wells Fargo has also been prevented from returning to the US From China. The S and P and the Nasdaq both hitting record highs once again as communication services and discretionary stocks led the gains.
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Tulsi Gabbard
Federal judge has sentenced former Louisville police detective Brett Hankison to 33 months in prison for violating Breonna Taylor's civil rights. The sentence came down late yesterday afternoon. Federal prosecutors had suggested one day behind bars for Hankison outraging Taylor's family.
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Shane Cashman
The Justice Department confirming it has received National Intelligence Director Tulsi Gabbard's criminal refer related to Obama. Area officials manufactured intelligence claiming Russia tried to influence the 2016 election.
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Scott Bessant
It would be President Obama. He started it and Biden was there with him and Comey was there and Clapper, the whole group was there. If you look at that, those papers, they have them stone cold and it was President Obama. This was treason. They tried to steal the election. They tried to obfuscate the election. They did things that nobody's ever even imagined even in other countries.
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Joe Lavorna
The Justice Department now putting out a new statement and saying it could meet with Ghislaine Maxwell in the coming days saying if Ghislaine Maxwell has information about anyone who has committed crimes against victims, the FBI and the DOJ will Hear what she has to say.
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Jack Posobic
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. Today's edition of Human Events Daily here live. Washington, D.C. today is July 22, 2025. Anno Dominique, folks, huge and massive news. You could, you could call it the plot twist of all plot twists here in D.C. on the Epstein Files case. And this has taken a turn really towards a place that it should have been years ago. Ghislaine Maxwell now potentially will be meeting with the Department of Justice. So we got the information out very early this morning that the DOJ will be sending Todd Blanche over to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. Now, where is Ghislaine Maxwell held? Tallahassee, Florida, the Federal Corrections Institute down there in Tallahassee. So she's Lady Epstein, Lady Epstein right there and saying that Todd Blanche, the Deputy Attorney General, potentially, personally will be headed down there to Tallahassee, Florida to meet with her. We've got this statement out there saying the Department of Justice does not shy away from uncomfortable truths, nor from the responsibility to pursue justice for wherever the facts may lead. Now the question, of course, obviously I think a lot of people will have is what's in it for Ghislaine Maxwell to cooperate? What's very clear, what her motive is. Her motive is that she either wants time reduced on her sentence or a full on presidential pardon. So this is where the competition, the tension, if you will, comes in. The tension comes in where with Maxwell saying, okay, I'll sit down with you, here's what I want in exchange. But of course, when it comes to any of these deals, a plea deal, or in this case, a cooperation agreement, when it really comes down to it, you have to weigh that against a variety of things. Number one, justice for the victim, which is something that absolutely deserves for her to be behind bars. Then again, you also have to talk about accountability. So if she's just going to say, oh, here's the Maxwell blacklist, which is the same thing as the Epstein blacklist. No, sorry, not good enough. Already been out there. You need to provide names, you need to provide receipts and name names. So if Ghislaine Maxwell wants anything from the Department of Justice, there needs to be names, there needs to be receipts, and by the way, a full on chain of custody. What I mean by all this, I mean, it's not enough to say, okay, here's the testimony, you know, this guy did this and this guy, no, no, no, no, not good enough. We've been down that road before. Everything, absolutely everything. That's the deal. And when I say Everything. I mean, who did what, where did it happen? And you also have to provide information that is able to back up the credibility of the accusation because there are people who are falsely accused. President Trump was falsely accused in Russiagate. He's been falsely accused of illicit behavior with Epstein time and time again. That's already been litigated. Who else is out there? Ghislaine, what do you got? What do you know? Who do you have it on? And if you do have this information and it's able to come forward, then maybe, maybe there could be a discussion about some kind of. I don't know. I really don't know. But you'd want to also hear, by the way, from the victims as well, and you want to hear about how the victims feel about that, because Ghislaine Maxwell was the recruiter. Ghislaine Maxwell was the one who began the process of grooming the these young girls. Ghislaine Maxwell was the first one they met before they ever met Jeffrey Epstein. So what does this say about the culpability of Ghislaine Maxwell? Where does she belong? Folks, this is a very serious story. And this meeting between Deputy Deputy Attorney General Blanch and Maxwell could be the start of something absolutely massive. We'll be right back. Jack Masoba, Cuban Events Daily stand in.
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Scott Bessant
Our way and our golden age has just begun.
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Joe Lavorna
This is Human Events.
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Jack Posobic
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Joe Lavorna
Good, Jack, I'm well, thank you.
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Jack Posobic
Thanks so much for being on. So Secretary Bessant had this huge tweet up earlier this morning and he's talking about the capex comeback. Now that's, that's capital expenditures, investments of businesses into capital here in the United States. Talk to me, why is the business community responding so positively to Secretary Besson and President Trump's economic policies? Especially when I was told by the mainstream media, you know, that, that the entire economy was going to crash and burn by this summer. It actually seems to be doing really well.
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Joe Lavorna
That's exactly right in the financial markets. Jack, show that. With equities recently reaching all time highs, the capex comeback is a function of the one big beautiful bill which was designed to get the capex moving as soon as President Trump took office because it was set up to be retroactive to inauguration day. So when the President was elected last year at the historic election with which he won, sentiment improved, the markets got excited. Fast forward to the new year. We're going to get this bill that's going to make the tax cuts permanent. It's going to have even more pro growth supply side initiatives in it. And by the way, it's going to be retroactive to the first day the President takes office. That's going to encourage businesses to spend, to invest in their, in their product, whether it's a good a service, whatever it may be. And what we've seen as that chart you had just shown up there shows is essentially excluding the pandemic, the fastest two quarter gain going all the way back to late 1997. It's really stunning and is a direct function of President Trump's policies.
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Jack Posobic
So when we're talking about this, that means. So if businesses are making capital expenditures, so that's capex capital expenditures. If businesses are doing that, that's not something that businesses do if they think they're going into a decline or if they think that the economy is going into a downturn. Because this is that if you're doing that, they'd be looking at offshore and they'd look at ways to protect their, their, you know, protect their assets, et cetera. They wouldn't actually be looking to expand and grow. But that's really what the President's, President Trump's one big beautiful bill and all of these other economic policies are actually pushing towards this idea that the American people are suddenly going to have more of their own wealth and that that's actually going to be what spurs this economic growth.
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Joe Lavorna
That's exactly right, Jack. And the fact that, you know, you've had this boom in anticipation of the bill becoming low, which it now has, just only strengthens and solidifies this improvement and will carry it forward. So the capex continues and that capital expenditure, the spending, the investment, they're all interchangeable words. Yes. Is a sign that the future is bright. It's a sign that there's confidence in President Trump's policies. What then happens after that is you get faster productivity growth, you get stronger wages, which means bigger take home pay for workers. The good news is because President Trump has policies unable to get inflation lower, we've seen a very large increase in what we call blue collar wages. Blue collar wages are under a boom. The only time that we've had a faster or larger six month gain to start a new administration was the first six months of President Trump's first administration and it was only a tenth stronger. So they're basically the same. But with this bill not being implemented, the forward on households and living standards, it's all positive. So it's great news and I appreciate you being able to have us highlight it because people should talk more about it. It's really good news and it should be bipartisan.
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Jack Posobic
Well, it actually is because one of the reasons, one of the side effects of this as well is that when you see those capital expenditures, so this is something, and I'll try of course to translate it right for Normie spe, for the audience, it's, it's, look, everyone sits there at their, at their business, at their work. Gosh, I complain about it all the time. Rob said, you got to spend more on the lights around here. You got to spend more on this. You got to do more capital expenditures. That's what we need. Rob, over here, Real America's voice. But the point is, is that, you know, no business owner is going to be doing that unless, by the way, Ross has a ton of money on the lights, to be fair, that no business owner is going to be doing that if they're not confident, if they're not seeing the returns that they want on their business. And, and in, in, I would say, in connection with that, the relationship with that, of course, is that your workforce is then going to be more motivated, number one, because they see these expenditures reinvesting in the business. But also if they see, if they see prices coming down, they say it's just, it's easier to afford things, they're going to be more motivated in general as well.
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Joe Lavorna
Right. So this is the thing. So to continue with your example, you have a business, let's buy new software, let's buy new computers, because that's going to increase our cash flow and ultimately produce more of the things that people want. But the point is, with this one big, beautiful bill, you can now expense 100% of that. So if you spend $10,000 on upgrading your technological infrastructure, you could deduct that off of your income. So it's a real incentive. And the one big, beautiful build, one of the, there's a lot of great parts to it. But the other thing that's really innovative and new is now you also, if you're a company, you want to build a data center, you now can expense that data center 100% on that plant, on that factory. You never had that before. So what it encourages American business to do is to invest in themselves. And then the people working there are going to do better. They're going to make more money. Their paychecks are bigger. That income they'll spend with them will create more jobs. So it becomes very additive, becomes very multiplicative. We saw it during Trump 1.0, and now we're taking all those positives. And with the President's vision and the implementation by Secretary Bessen, we're able now to put this forward so that the next handful, hopefully decades, are really a golden era, as the President has highlighted.
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Jack Posobic
Well, and this is totally different, by the way, from what we saw from the previous administration. I saw Secretary Bessen's fantastic interview regarding Janet Yellen recently. But that was really an administration where all of this was driven from the top down in terms of inflation and inflating the money supply and increasing the money supply. Okay, you've got access to more capital, but that's not, that doesn't actually drive the behavior, does it?
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Joe Lavorna
No, that's right. I mean, and I mentioned, you know, so we've got the one big beautiful bill which is encouraging companies to invest. You've got the genius act. The President has talked about making the US the crypto capital of the world, or the US to crypto country of the world. You need to build data centers and to operate those data centers, what do you need? You need energy. Energy is integral, as Secretary Besson has highlighted. And you need cheap and abundant energy. So that was also part of the one big beautiful bill trying to improve the permitting process, making it easier for companies to conduct business. And that is literally the genius and the foresight that this administration has in trying to actually allow business to produce the goods and services that people want at affordable prices. And that clearly was not the case in the prior four years.
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Jack Posobic
Right. So when you're in a situation like that, and we used to talk about the Catian effect, many, many times here on the program were to say that, okay, this is great, the price of money has gone down for people who have the direct access to those funds. But that has an inflationary effect because what you're doing is that increased spending at the top is driving up prices at the bottom.
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Joe Lavorna
Yeah, well, this thing is with the one big beautiful bill which will drive the blue collar boom. Now we're looking at middle and lower income workers. So that's really, as Secretary Bessance highlighted, Wall Street's done great. We obviously would like Wall street to do well, but it's really Main Street's term. These are people who live paycheck to paycheck who until President Trump's first term had seen no real wage growth. Really, as I mentioned, in a decade and a half or so benefit from it. And you know, on inflation, you know, we could have strong non inflationary growth as we had under President Trump's first term. Growth was nearly 3%, was actually over 3% in the year before COVID And yet inflation was de minimis. When you have inflation, it's typically because the government spends way too much. And this administration inherited the worst basically fiscal backdrop we've ever had. And of course the Fed monetizes or prints money to pay for the government's profligate spending. And that's exactly what we had over the previous four years.
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Jack Posobic
And it's, it's, it's Incredible to see. It's incredible for all of us to look into. We want to get into more of this. And so Joe, I want to hold you over to the next segment. This, this is huge. It's, it's huge. And I understand it's heady for, you know, folks that are just trying to figure things out out there. But this is absolutely positive news and I want to make sure to break it down for all of you. Jack Posobic up next here, Human Event Daily, Real America's Voice.
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Scott Bessant
They talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack, where's Jack? Jack?
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Tulsi Gabbard
Bringing back manufacturing to the US it's the full expensing in the one big beautiful bill, which I think is one of the most important things that we did. Companies can do 100% expensing for equipment, 100% expensing for factories. If you bring your factory back here, I think we had big pent up demand. We are in the middle of this incredible AI boom that I don't know whether you want to say this is the third, fourth, fifth industrial revolution. So we're seeing the hyperscalers spin like we never have before. And I think what's really gone unheard, unheralded here is the Trump administration's emphasis on deregulation. We are making it possible to build things in America again.
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Jack Posobic
All right, Jack Rasopic, here we are back live Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. By the way, folks, there's this, there's this letter running around on X. It's viral right now about Jerome Powell. I don't think this thing is real. I'm just going to say that right now. I think there'd be a bigger announcement if that, that were the case. But I, so we'll, you know, we'll look for that. But I don't think that one's real at this time anyway. So we're talking though with Joe Lavernia. He is the counselor to Secretary Besson. And Joe, we talked about in the last segment how, you know, Biden nomics. It was this print and spend sort of mentality. Print and print the money, spend the money, spend in government, spend in business, just sprint spend everywhere. And that'll make the economy better. And it's, and it's, it's very fake. It's sort of juicing the economy forward. That was Biden Omics. It was a dismal failure. It did have an inflationary effect which by the way, a lot of people said that it would Trumponomics is substantially different from that because it's about allowing businesses to do what they do best in a better environment for themselves and hopefully for their workers as well. So if you could contrast Trumponomics with Biden nomics for us, right.
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Joe Lavorna
I mean, the Biden approach is basically demand side focus on weak demand, what's known as Keynesianism. And you basically have the government spend money to get demand up, but demand has been strong. And this is the problem with the past four years, in large part from an economic perspective, is that the we've left with the highest deficit, highest deficit to GDP in an environment of full employment we've ever had, with record high debt. And that is a reflection of the fact that the government spent way too much money to stimulate an economy that didn't need stimulus, and therefore you got a 40 year high in inflation. Demand is not the problem right now. What the problem has been trying to get businesses to invest in their communities, to invest in their businesses, and then to hire and lift wages. And that, as a builder, is what President Trump understands that you need to create things. So it's not demand driven, but rather supply driven. How can we increase the economy's potential capacity? How can we increase its ability to produce more of the goods and services that people and firms want at a low cost? That was what the Tax Cuts and jobs act of 2017 was designed to do. And that is what the one big beautiful bill that was passed in record time is set to accomplish, which is let business operate in a way that's productive, that's constructive, that the shackles of government regulation and high tax rates are, aren't going to impede that progress. Because if businesses do well, the economy does well, people do well, their paychecks grow. As Secretary Besson has said, economic security is national security. It's all connected. It is fundamentally different. The results of the first Trump term were excellent. That's why people put President Trump back in office, because they loved the results that he had in terms of lifting middle and lower class wages. As I mentioned earlier, real household incomes boomed. And it's supply driven. You focus on producing things that people want. It's not just giving money out or spending money to try to create demand because what you wind up getting, as we saw, is inflation.
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Jack Posobic
And so you're looking at this and I'll just, you know, I'll zoom out a little bit here in the sense of saying, look, you know, we're out of the weeds and we're talking about what does this mean to say, you're you know, I have a family of four and you know, we live in the mid Atlantic and it's summertime and we're looking at things as they go. And, and what we're looking at and seeing is that gas seems to, you know, the gas prices seem to be lower than they were a year ago this time. Prices in general certainly seem to have stabilized or come down in some places as well. Something, by the way I'm seeing just anecdotally, but I've noticed it out there is that people seem to be, you tend to see a bit more middle class Americ taking more summer trips to Europe. And that is not something that you're going to be seeing if more people are worried about economics. I'm not saying that economics aren't, aren't an issue or anything like that. But you are starting to see these huge signs of comeback from the Biden economy that we can absolutely track and they are tangible metrics. So I'm seeing this more and more often and I hear people making more trips like this. And I think you're going to see more and more people sort of getting back to where they were honestly, kind of at pre pandemic level for sure.
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Joe Lavorna
I mean, two of the signature issues which President Trump has delivered on that people voted him in office for is one getting the cost of living down, which he has. So you're seeing energy prices fall rapidly. This past Memorial Day, gas prices were at the lowest level in four years. You're not seeing food prices accelerate as they were under President Biden. You're seeing rents come down. So like people's cost of shelter and they're eating the ability to feed themselves and be able to move from place to place those costs. The every man or every person inflation rate has come down quite significantly. That is really positive news. And the other issue, of course, as you know, is the immigration side. And now that there is going to be much less illegal immigration, wages are not going to be set artificially low. So if you get lower prices, which is the Trumponomics supply side boom like we had in the first term, combined with the market seeking a natural rate, not an artificial depressed wage rate, you get faster nominal wages. That is real wage growth. That is the blue collar boom we're seeing and we like to see that continue and perpetuate and strengthen and that will lift everybody. Rising tide lifts all boats. That's a wonderful story for U.S. households.
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Jack Posobic
And that's what it comes down to. A rising tide lifts all boats. So there are ways to do this, that actually benefit the businesses, benefit the families, benefit the economics of the average blue collar worker that's out there right now.
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Joe Lavorna
I mean the businesses employ the people. People are, you know, businesses and they employ the people.
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Jack Posobic
Right? So people, it all tires together.
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Joe Lavorna
You can't hate business. Which is why, by the way, Jack, under President Trump's first term, small business optimism was the highest registered by any president. And President Trump's first term, even when you include the pandemic, which is incredible.
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Jack Posobic
Small businesses are the backbone for sure. Joe, we're just about out of time, folks. Please make sure you go and follow him and follow Secretary Bessant live on X Everywhere at the at Secretary Bessant Department, Treasury. Right back. Jack Tobik, RealMarks Voice, Human Events Daily Quiz.
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Scott Bessant
Jack, where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack.
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Jack Posobic
Thank you.
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Scott Bessant
What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting policies.
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Jack Posobic
All right, Jack Posobic, we are back. Human Events Daily. Guys, I was just sent this, this news over the break that apparently just weeks after his final show, Ozzy Osbourne, the lead singer of Black Sabbath and a solo artist in his own right, has died at the age of 76. This is someone who, you know, I've seen him in concerts on the Sabbath, saw my brother a number of times, working class background. We actually have a clip of the final show we can play for you right now. And that is Mama, I'm Coming Home. So don't have any more info about that right now other than it says that he was so I'll just read the statement, the family statement put out. Ozzy died surrounded by love. In a statement to the sun on Tuesday. It is with more sadness than mere words can convey that we have to report that our beloved Ozzy Osbourne has passed away this week. He was with, with his family and surrounded by love. We ask everyone to respect our family privacy at this time. Sharon, Jack, Kelly, Amy and Louis and just, just total shock. I mean so he did this, he did this concert. I watched every minute of the concert. Certainly Ozzy and the Black Sabbath portions of it when it aired that weekend. And just tremendous show that he put on and he was able to do so. He was able to do so from a. So he has had Parkinson's. He's passed away now, now deceased. He had Parkinson's and he, it affected his legs. So he, he was Actually raised up onto the stage through a, through the, the stage itself or through a lower platform on the stage. Raised him up on a black chair. And so he sang on that throughout. And by the way, I'm just gonna say something that he was like, jack, you know, you're Catholic. How would you listen to Ozzy? I said, well, first of all, Ozzy Osbourne, the drummer for Ozzy Osbourne, actually, for Black Sabbath, actually wrote all the lyrics and has been a devout Christian and a Catholic his entire life, is someone who always sang about morbidity from the perspective of warning people about it. And in fact, you can go throughout, go and look throughout the years, I'm not going to say that Ozzy was some like, like, you know, devout, sinless person or anything like that, but they always spoke out against Satanism. He spoke out many times about Satan worship and in fact, urged many people to not worship Satan many times over the years whenever, you know, reporters or others would bring this up. So it's, it's, you know, it's really just a shock because, you know, people saw this video a couple years ago and, you know, obviously one of the, you know, certainly the father of heavy metal himself, along with Tony Iommi and, you know, just, just working, you know, a working class group of guys who got together and absolutely changed the world. Absolutely changed the world in terms of their music, songs that everybody knows. I want to bring Shane Cashman over here. You guys know Shane from his work on Tim Cast and his own projects. And, you know, Shane, we originally were going to talk about something else, but I, you know, I've got to get your reaction on, on this, you know, Ozzy osbourne dead at 76, just weeks after this, this whirlwind, you know, farewell concert. You know, what was, what does this mean? What was Ozzy's impact on, you know, the culture and the world?
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Shane Cashman
Ozzy was very important to me. My father put me onto the Beach Boys at a young age and my mother put me onto Black Sabbath. And I lost two very important musical figures in just recent weeks. We lost Brian Wilson and now we lost Ozzy. Ozzy's impact was monumental. To live on forever. He created a lot of the metal, the sound that I love today. And like, what you were saying before I came on, you know, this. A lot of people recoil at the darkness from Black Sabbath, but they did have themes of peace and, and love in, like, the original sense, not in the distorted sense that we hear today. And Tony, I only wore a cross and there was the There were these Christian themes in it, but they kind of showed you the darker aspects of life through their music. So it's a. It's a very big loss in the music community.
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Jack Posobic
Yeah, I mean, you go look at a song like War Pigs, which is, it's an anti war song where you go look at the lyrics of that. I think that was on their third album. Second or third album, and that it was. No, second album was their second album. And, you know, at a very. I think they were in their 20s when they put this out. But it reflects the same thing, the same sentiment of anti war that you would see from, you know, working class, blue collar guys today when they're saying, why are we, why are we getting involved in these things that are overseas? We're going to go kill all these people. Because some rich generals and rich. They talk about the politicians, you know, and you could almost apply that to any war. And they were growing up in Birmingham, England, you know, just huge working class, you know, industrial, dirty, grungy, gritty kind of area. And that was reflected in the music. And I'll tell the story of Tony Iommi that, you know, he's famously. But, you know, for people who don't know that he was working as a teenager, he worked in a sheet metal factory and he was working on the metal lathe. And I guess it was right hand, because he's actually left handed, that he, he cut his fingertips off on the machine. But he was playing guitar and he never wanted to learn or he never wanted to quit playing guitar. And so he devised these sort of like leather thimbles that allowed him to continue playing guitar and attach them and to this day has to play guitar like this. His fingertips don't grow back, folks. But in order to continue playing, he had to down tune the, you know, the strings on the guitar, which created this deeper, heavier metallic sound which really formed the genesis of creating heavy metal. And you listen to a story like that and you say, this is a guy who's lived through some stuff. These are people who lived through an austere upbringing and overcame that. And you just don't get music of that caliber when you don't have people who have lived through the same type of stories. You just don't. Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
And they, they lived through an area that was torn up through World War II. And like, what you're saying with Tony Iommi's fingers, that music taught me, amongst other, you know, music like it, that tragedy you can, you can use and turn into something hopeful and that's what they did and that's what he did with his injuries. That's what they did. Surrounded by war and death and you know, generals gathered in their masses, just like witches at black masses. Which reminds me of a lot of the stuff I'm talking about with you today in terms of, you know, bio warfare and the military industrial complex.
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Jack Posobic
Yeah, you can, you can zoom out from there and you can hear so many of the same themes, so many of the same issues and, and we'll, I want to get in that, in the next segment, but just hold on this for, for a minute because yeah, I think for a lot of people though, they want to have this knee jerk response. They'll want to. And I'm not even looking at the comments right now, but I'm just going to speak from the heart that this, this is what, this is what blue collar people listen to. All right, There's a lot of blue collar workers and if you want to talk about those, you know, when we send guys off to war and they're forced to fight in Iraq and they're driving around in tanks and who even what, 200 degrees in the middle of tank, guess what? They're going to pump some Black Sabbath because those guys got ordered to do that and they got ordered to be out there or, you know, or just guys working, you know, working at a factory and having to swing a hammer or work a machine and work a shift. Long hours, night hours, overtime, the rest of it. This is the type of music that appeals to blue collar workers, whether you like it or not, by the way. And those are the themes that when they, that's real stuff, that's close to the earth stuff. Memento mori, right? That, which is a very ancient and traditional Christian saying. Remember that you are mortal. Remember that you will die every Ash Wednesday. Right? You are Dustin from dust you came and from dust you shall return. So it's, it's these ideas that, that you see reflected because you're close to the earth and there's nothing more real than, than reflecting upon your own mortality.
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Shane Cashman
And that's what metal is so great at. It's like my favorite genre of music, you know, because in many regards the memento mori, it's a, it's a, makes you confront your mortality and it's a very raw sound. And you know, I, I, I understand people recoil at the darkness and they think it's satanic, but like you said, they talk about how they're not trying to be satanic, they're not trying to Be dark. I think they hold a mirror to society. Being like society is actually what's dark. You've. You're living in an illusion and pretending that you're not within this, you know, surrounded by all this darkness. So I always appreciated about Ozzy and. And Sabbath is they shatter that illusion and, you know, and then they open up the doorway to so much music that I love today that, you know, you and I have talked about over the years. There's just so many bands that wouldn't exist without Ozzy and that sound. And I gotta say, for people who want to look it up, you know, Ozzy and Sabbath, early Sabbath stuff. After this, go look up on YouTube. They're like 1978 performance in Paris. It's like in a bar. Incredible show. I highly recommend it. It's one of my favorites. I go back to it all the time and there's like, you know, Ozzy sweeping out on the stage and it's incredible. It sounds so good.
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Jack Posobic
Ah, man, it's just hitting me. I'm. My kids are. I mean, it was the final show just a couple weeks ago, but, you know, never. That's it. There's no more Ozzy Osbourne. No one's ever going to see an Ozzy show again. That is it, folks. Be right back. Shane Cashman, Real America's Boys, Human Events Daily.
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Scott Bessant
Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it.
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Shane Cashman
Go get it.
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Scott Bessant
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.
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Jack Posobic
Amen. Okay, Jack Prasopic, here we are back live. Human Events Daily. We're talking about. You know, we didn't know we were going to be talking about this. We're talking about the. The death of Ozzy Osbourne. And we're on with. With Shane Cashman from tomcast. But you know, Shane, there's also another way we can talk about this because we've also seen. Here's an interesting take, and it's funny because I was actually. I was with Russell Brand last night at a maha event in Washington. We're also seeing that. We've also already seen the death of the rock star in a sense as well. You know, the rock star in the West. That's the rebel. That's the rebel against society. That's the rebel against all of the things that society is pushing for you. And we don't have that. Right. We have. We have conformity, right? The conformity of cancel culture, the conformity of postmodernism, the conformity of electronica, AI music slop. You know, there's no, there's no fear of the rock star anymore. There's no like in like half the guys that are out there, even like the Rage against the Machine guys are running around telling everybody get vaccinated and stuff like that. There's no, there's no guy. And that's the essence of rock music, right? Rock music is supposed to be the middle finger to society. And I'm just going to say it the same way that MAGA was the middle finger to American politics prior to that. The middle finger to the unit party, the middle finger to the Republicans and the Democrats was a third way for people to come up and be like, we're sick of this, we're done with this. And yeah, we're going to go with Donald Trump because of course he's a rock star. He might even be the last rock star. So I mean there's, we're really losing something in a society because we're a society now that doesn't produce rock stars anymore.
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Shane Cashman
I think it's going to come back and I think it's going to be a huge wrecking ball swinging the other direction after years of the dissenting voice being suppressed. But in 2016, when I was telling all my punk rock friends and all, you know, I was in a metal band for years, I said, whether you like it or not, Trump is the first punk rock president.
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Jack Posobic
It wasn't Obama.
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Shane Cashman
You know, it's not these people, it's Trump. And he might be a guy in a suit, but he is coming from the system and telling you the people, the system is completely rigged against you. The system actually hates you and we're going to blow it up, you know, metaphorically speaking. And that's why I appeal to me, because I grew up loving punk rock and metal. And like what you're saying with rock stars, that was the whole thing that was appealing to, to the people is like, okay, this person might be, you know, on stage singing to a giant crowd, but they somehow are speaking for the people, like the blue collar people. And you know, the middle class has basically been wiped out, you know, in the past five or six years thanks to Covid, many other policies. But the rock star was someone who said, you know, screw the system. And it's, it really hurt during lockdowns to see like Rage against the Machine, the Offspring, all these so called punk rock guys, you know, become the establishment that they always Raged against. But there are a few. You know, we still have Johnny Rotten. Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols is still out there speaking his mind. You might remember a year or two ago, he had the Maga hat on.
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Jack Posobic
Through a lot of people.
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Shane Cashman
Respect for that because that was an amazing moment.
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Jack Posobic
And Morrissey. Morrissey's been crushing it everywhere he goes. Right, exactly. And I don't mean to take anything away from these guys, but my point is, though, is what kind of society produces an Ozzy Osbourne? What kind of society produces Amarissi or Johnny Rodden or. You know, obviously those are. Those are British. But all the American rock stars, by the way, you mentioned Beach Boys, We. We did actually get to see them perform here in D.C. sands Brian Wilson on the 4th of July, which I was surprised. I thought they were going to pull out. But they. They actually did end up coming and playing in Washington, D.C. at the. @ the Independence Day celebration on the National Mall, which was just incredible. It was sad, but it was, you know, it was amazing to be able to be there with my kids and you see all again, just these great American. And let's just say Western. I'll say Western rock stars that we. We have a society now that doesn't produce that because we preach that you must conform. You must be like this. Now, that being said, you could also, I suppose, argue that you're giving people something to rebel against. And that is the essence of rock.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. I think there will be a resurgence of massive dissenting, authentic voices in music because everyone's been so thrown into silos where they're. You're not allowed to say this. You're not allowed to do that. You can't be. And I think people are. Young kids are sick of it. And of course there'll be people who conform widespread. That's always the case. But I think we're going to see other Ozzy types, other Marilyn Manson types. That's another type of Black Sabbath lineage that offends people. But he's another person who puts that mirror up to society being like, look, everything's really dark and hypocritical. Like with Bill Clinton's condemning Marilyn Manson while bombing Kosovo, you know, so it's like you're actually causing death, but you're blaming a musician for being an artist and, you know, ragging on free speech, which is completely ridiculous. So I do think there's going to be some people coming back. But Ozzy is like, that's a once in a Lifetime situation. That voice, you know, like you were saying with the lyrics written by. Was it geezer that.
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Jack Posobic
No, no, Bill.
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Shane Cashman
I don't think it happened again.
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Jack Posobic
I thought Bill wrote most of the lyrics. I could be wrong, but. But even still, it. It, you know, you zoom back, right? And it's. It. I was talking to somebody recently that I just met, and he was telling me about all my son plays. And you see this with, like, Gen Z Zoomers, musicians who are so technically good and so technically better than Millennials and. And Gen Xers in general. You know, I mean, Kurt Cobain wasn't like, the greatest guitarist or anything. Right? You know, his. The technical proficiency of some of these bands was not that high. But then you flip it around and you say, wow, they're so good because they learned on YouTube and they just, like, sit and practice. But then you also hear they don't form bands. And he was telling me, he's like, oh, well, you know, I was like, what does he play? You know, your kid? He said, oh, he plays guitar, bass and drums and piano. That way, you know, if he wants to put some music together, he doesn't need anybody else because he could just do it all himself. And I was like, but doesn't that kind of defeat the whole point?
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Shane Cashman
I agree. I think we need, you know, kids in rooms playing their instruments together, practicing, learning that riff, you know, it's invaluable. And I did that for so long. I love those experiences. But it's. I also appreciate, you know, kids learning instruments and trying to do it on their own. But I don't think that translates on the stage in the same way it does with a big, loud band like Ozzy. When you're standing.
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Jack Posobic
No, you're a crowd blaring.
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Shane Cashman
It's the best.
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Jack Posobic
Yeah, because then what you are. Because when you get multiple people together, that's. That's the pressure that creates diamonds. And that's why you take, you know, you take these acts and, you know, Ozzy, of course, being the notable exception. I. I would. I would argue, thanks to, like, Randy Rhodes and Zach Wild. We just saw Zach Wild a couple of weeks ago when he played with. With Pantera and they opened for Metallica, that he, you know, most of the solo acts don't really surpass the group acts. And that's because of that group dynamic that really refines things and merges things together in a way to create that magic that you never really seem to be able to get when it's just one person. And, yeah, you can have these great. I don't know, it's like the difference between a concert pianist and a Billy Joel or an Elton John. Someone who could just sit down and rock it out, because that's a fundamentally different thing. But, you know, last minute to you, Shane Cashman, the. The death of the rock star.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, it's. I think we're watching a generation of rock stars pass away that define music for so long. That music that we like, new music coming out today that they have been inspired by. But I do have hope for the future of new rock. Dissenting, awesome punk rock. And, you know, we're seeing things come back like Oasis. Not that there's so much punk rock. Liam. Liam Gallagher is one of the last living rock stars who still says what's on his mind. And I always appreciate that. So just hopefully the new generation of kids will come back and rock unafraid and brave.
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Jack Posobic
And that's what it's all about, right? You know, kids forming rock bands together again. So there's. There's been on this whole sort of like, nostalgia kick of, you know, is Trump going to return us to the way things were before? And the way things were before was kids forming those garage bands and going through it and scraping together a couple of bucks for an amplifier or getting a bass or, you know, you know, finding. Excuse me, finding someone who's willing to play bass. Right. You know, and then like, shout out to getting the drunk. It's true. Yeah. Getting your drummer there, etc. Etc. And it. And it is what it is, right. You know, and that's I. I think part of the essential nucleus of what growing up, up in the west has always been about. And a great society. A great society will be a society that produces rock stars. Use your fingers to create, not just to scroll. So hats off to Black Sabbath, to rock stars, to rock music in general. Hey, rock will never die.