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Former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.
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Christ is king and Charlie's sacrifice has given us all. And I see it in your eyes. I see it in the eyes of every man, woman and child who has come to me since this unspeakable evil happened. We have it now.
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Charlie gave it to us.
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He gave us that last bit of courage, that last bit of fight, that last bit of grit and resolve the United States of America will endure. For Charlie, we will continue the mission. For Charlie, we will end the evil disease that split us and took Charlie from us. And for Charlie, Turning Point USA will last forever. And we will come to find. We will come to find that in the final moment that Western civilization was saved through Charlie's sacrifice in the only way possible by returning the people to almighty God. For greater love hath no man than this than he who laid down his life for his friends. Are you ready to continue the mission? Are you ready to fight back? And are you ready to put on the full armor of God and face the evil in high places and the spiritual warfare before us? Then put on the full armor of God. Do it now. Now is the time. This is the place. This is the turning point for Charlie. God bless to all of you. God bless to everyone, to Charlie's family. To all the families and Charlie.
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Until we meet again, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We are here live in Phoenix, Arizona, Charlie Kirk. Studio today is September 22, 2025. Anno Domini. Yesterday we held a memorial for Charlie Kirk. Charlie was my friend. Charlie was my brother. Charlie was my commanding officer. When a unit loses its commanding officer, duty and honor must be upheld for him. But also justice must be done. And that justice began with the pull of a trigger. It leads to video, leads to evidence, eyewitnesses. It then leads to trial. It then leads to sentencing. And there have been many times already today where people ask me, but Jack, as a Christian, are we not called to forgive? Should we not then forgive and let bygones be bygones? It's not how it works. And I see a lot of people misunderstanding the Bible's teaching on this, misunderstanding what Charlie said about this, misunderstanding so much of our Christian duty here. There is a difference between the personal and the public. You have a personal duty to seek forgiveness. You do. God will only forgive upon repentance. God only forgives upon repentance. You are also not required to forgive if there is no repentance. But we are asked to. The public authority, on the other hand, has a different situation. The public and legitimate authorities, as Christian teaching tells us, legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Proportionate to the gravity of the offense. What could be more proportionate? What would require more proportionality than an attack on our very way of life, an attack on our civilization, an attack on who we are? War has been waged against society by evil doers, by those who deny our right to exist, to exist, to oppress us. This cannot be allowed. This cannot continue. And when a life is taken in a war on society, then the only way to protect society and prevent future instances of this is the ultimate punishment, the capital punishment. And this is what Charlie supported. This is what Charlie stood for and argued for and defended many times. We'll talk some more about this next segment here. Human events daily live on Real America's Voice. We'll be right back.
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Believe in putting criminals in jail, right?
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Yes.
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Cuz you believe in putting criminals in jail, right?
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Yes.
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Which is a taking of their rights, not their life. Their whole life is completely changed. So I guess it's also an insult to the victim, isn't it? Saying that your life doesn't matter so much that your murderer can keep on living, but you yourself aren't living. It's actually devalues the value of the victim or the victims actually in a lot of times God repeated in all five books of the Torah, you take a life, your life will be taken. To the consistency argument. If there is a baby here, you know, in the womb, that baby has done nothing wrong. Whereas a guy who went and shot up a school did a lot wrong. And so the only answer is to say we value human life so much that you don't get to keep on living if you take a precious human life. It's actually an explicitly pro life position because it's honoring the dead and honoring the victim so much that it's not just one to be discarded. That's, oh, it's not just a clump of cells because they're like, oh, you know, it's just a bunch of clump of cells that got shot up at a school. It doesn't really matter. Go put him in a jail where we say, that's a life you took. And you don't get to get to keep on having breath if you go take another precious human life.
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Jack Poselbic, we are back. Live human Events daily. We're in Phoenix, Arizona. Almost, almost went with my normal. But, you know, we are not living in normal times here. And we are in the Charlie Kirk studio. Charlie Kirk's seat remains empty as Charlie is on assignment with the Lord. I wanted to bring in Blake Neff here because Blake just played that clip of Charlie going through his. This, you know, this, this the clip we found. I think it's a recent clip, as recent as we can find, I guess, of Charlie on the death penalty. And he made. Makes a very interesting point there. And I know you worked with him on a lot of these points and he said the death penalty is an explicitly pro life position. And so for a lot of people out there, they'll say, well, life is the opposite of death. So how could the death penalty be pro life? Can you, can you unpack what he's getting at there?
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Yeah, well, he was saying there is like, it's almost, it's disrespectful to a victim to say, like, you can take life endlessly without consequence, that you're basically saying, you know, to some extent we view criminal punishments, they're not merely a deterrent to future things. They are also, there's sort of a tariff, a compensatory thing to reflect like the harm that you have done. And we can't undo a harm that is done when you kill somebody. But we can signal that, like, what you did was an atrocious act. And, you know, one of the oldest principles is, you know, if you harm somebody, some harm will be done to you in compensation for this. And if you're going to say that you can murder somebody and the compensation for that is you do five years and then you're out on parole, that is sending the message that a life taken is not really that big of a harm, is it?
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So it's about the value of life in society. So it's, it's, it's basically saying that society should have a pro Life position that, and, and this is actually consistent. So because I hear this a lot, when people tell you what about abortion, I say, well, that's an innocent life.
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Yeah, innocent life.
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But there is a difference between an innocent, innocent life, the life of a child, an unborn baby, a preborn baby, I think, I think unborn is still fine. I know there's like some, some back and forth on that, but there's a difference between that and a criminal. And in, in the worst case possible, a hardened like, like murderer or rapist or, you know, someone who's done something to a child. These are just obviously not the same thing morally at all.
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Yeah, not, not in slightest. And it's like brought up. I feel like it's only brought up by people trying to do like a gotcha to manipulate you. And like the. It always comes up pro life thing. It always comes up with the pro life thing where they're like, well, you just don't think the unborn life has any value and you just want to do any gotcha to continue doing abortions because.
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Right.
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You like that. Like, it's always seemed insane to me. Like, okay, is there tension between, like, oh, you say life matters so we shouldn't abort people. But like, you're okay with the death penalty versus, I guess the opposite is like, it's bad for the left position, is it's bad to execute criminals, but it's good to execute babies. Which seems to have a lot more tension in it to me.
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Right. Like, I'd love to just, you know, push back on that. So this is also. And walk us back here, because I keep getting, I'm being blown up by the media today because the media doesn't understand any of this. And they'll say, well, wait a minute, how can you say that you forgive Charlie's killer? So what Erica said yesterday, how can you say that you forgive, but then you also want justice to be done, the ultimate justice be done. Because the media doesn't understand Christianity, again, understand any of this is very confused. And they see opposition there. Yeah.
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Well, again, first of all, this is only ever brought up in this context, whereas it seems like they should rationally apply this to anything that we do. Like, oh, someone steals from you, we should forgive those people as well. And yet, okay, we do have to punish thieves. And you know, just in the last hour on the main Charlie show, Benny was making a great point. You know, there is our personal duty to forgive as Christians, as believers, and then there is the sword that is carried by the Government, the public authority. No, that's what St. Paul talks about in the letter to the Romans, that the state has been given the sword by God to do justice. And, like, that is why we must obey, you know, just authority, because they have been empowered by God for the benefit of everyone. And, you know, that's actually a great progress. A thing that, like, Christianity embraced and built upon is that old forms of justice were based around revenge, that a wrong done to you is compensated by basically getting revenge from the wronged party. Like kind of ancient pagan, like, Germanic laws, a lot like that. You know, you'd even see that where there actually is no government prosecution of offenses at all. There's just, oh, I am wrong. So I pursue a suit against somebody and, like, I challenge them to a duel or some such. And, like, that's how you would.
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Or, like, receive something from the household.
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Exactly. Yeah.
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You have.
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You have Wear Guild. They would call it, like, man, you know, blood money, essentially, or the blood money.
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Right, right.
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And, you know, we have moved beyond that. Where we say there are. There is a authority that is above, you know, vengeance. That is, its job is to do justice impartially. And that is who will have to act here. That we will have an authority, our government, that will say, this person did an atrocious act that our society cannot condone. And it is Erica Kirk's duty as a Christian believer to forgive her persecutors, the people who took away the man who took away her husband. But it is the state's responsibility to say, we cannot have assassins in our country. Assassins must be punished.
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And, you know, Larry Arn, even. Yeah, the assassin will die. Yeah.
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It is not Erica Kirk's job to decide what the assassin's punishment is.
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It would be. Well, this is actually why. Yeah. I mean, and. And to speak in generalities, this is why victims are not on juries.
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Yes, that's why victims shouldn't be on juries. And you'll see in more primitive forms of justice, they do it that way. Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia, the punishment of a murderer is on actually, like the family members of those who are afflicted. And they can decide to punish them lightly or. Or put them to death.
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And I'm looking at the clock. We were chatting beforehand. You did some research into the Utah system. We're currently in the Utah system. There are no federal charges as of yet. That could happen. There could be superseding, you know, we'll see. But in the Utah system, how does the death penalty work?
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So in the Utah system they have the state must announce in advance if they are seeking the death penalty, which they've already done. And then you do a murder trial, normal murder trial. Assume there is a conviction or a guilty plea. But. Well, let's assume goes to trial, convicted, and then you go to a penalty phase and it's the same jury by default. There's exceptions that can come to play, but basically it's the same jury. The person can. The defendant can waive having it done by a jury. They can have a judge rule on it instead. Although it appears the prosecution must agree to this. So they could in theory veto it and say no jury must decide. And then the jury has to unanimously agree. There is an aggravating factor. It cannot be a default punishment for murder. There has to be aggravation, which we talked about last week and this is.
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What we brought up last week, that.
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There were children present.
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And I believe that's another charge.
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Other people were in peril. Yeah, there's.
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So they made it an aggregating factor plus a separate charge.
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Yeah, they added charges as well. But they need the aggravating factors on murder and there's like 13 different options and they were emphasizing, I think three different ones a lot. So they have to unanimously agree there is an aggravating factor. And then they must unanimously agree on imposing the death penalty if they deadlock life in prison.
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So this is. It's like a trial after the trial, sort of in the sense that. In a sense that there's a full trial conviction, non conviction. Where of course murder will, you know, murder in the first would be or whatever they call it in Utah will be, you know, the highest. With aggriegating factors. It will be the highest charge as long as. As well as the lesser charges. But then if. And likely. But if, if that conviction goes, proceeds, then the same 12 plus with two alternates, of course, of 14 would go to a separate phase where it's almost like there's another set of hearings before the death penalty. Yes.
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And I believe it does appear they have hearings.
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I do believe, by the way, and I know this for other states, I'm not as familiar with Utah, but I do believe that one of the differences there is that the victim impact statements do come into play play. So you would have victims who can come forward at that.
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Yeah, I'm looking at Utah's law right now. In the capital sentencing proceedings, evidence may be presented on the nature of the crime.
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Right.
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The defendant's character, background, history, mental and physical.
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So that'll be able to speak for.
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The, the victim and the impact of the crime on the victim's family and community and then other facts in aggravation. Yes.
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Might be called.
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And so all of this could come.
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Into play, which, I mean, I'm just going to say it there, there is a chance that Erica Kirk herself could be called in that phase.
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It is very possible.
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And by the way, you yourself as. But in the first phase, as an eyewitness. But there's also a lot of eyewitnesses.
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There's a lot. I, I don't know that I have anything special that I can certainly testify to Charlie's character and how heinous this was.
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Well, I mean, just in the, in the first phase, because you were an eyewitness to the crime. That is true. That is true. So there's, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of factors. Obviously, that's all, all up to the prosecutors. We all saw it live. So it's, you know, I would say being there in person has more value than for, from an evidentiary perspective than watching it on, on live stream. Certainly, you know, they can choose as many as possibly. They don't want someone who worked for Charlie just because it gives you that extra degree of impartiality. Plus, but there was law enforcement there, you know, obviously Charlie security and some campus security that you might want from, from that perspective. This is, I'm glad that we talked about this, though, today, because the media just doesn't get this stuff. They totally don't understand this stuff. They don't understand Christianity. They never did. They never try to. And, and to your point, whenever they do attempt to, it's to sort of like use these, play these gotcha games on. Oh, well, the Bible says welcome the stranger and you're for border security. And it's like, yeah, they don't say you're. You should allow them to invade your.
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It's that, it's that meme we've all seen where it's just like, I have nothing but contempt for your beliefs. But I don't know. Your Bible says you have to do, do this.
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Like, no, it's ridiculous. We're coming up on a break here, but we're digging into this because I can already see this fracture going on and I, I'd love to just be able to talk about how beautiful and moving the service was yesterday, but. But no, no, I see people trying to twist it and use it for their own devices, and I'm not going to let that happen. Jack Kobic, Blake Neff, Human Events Daily, Real America's okay. Jack Posovic. We are back. We're live here in Phoenix, Arizona, the Charlie Kirk Studio. We're here with Blake Neff and we're also very excited to now be joined by independent journalist Nick Sorter. What's up, Nick?
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I appreciate you having me, Jack.
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Good to have you here. Very good to have you. You belong here, Charlie. Charlie was a huge fan of yours and your work. And whenever you were doing something, he'd be like, get a snake. Get us Nick. We need Nick.
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We need him.
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Get him in here.
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He's one of the reasons that East Palestine is on the map, because of the, the fact that he brought me on the show so early on from the ground in East Palestine, Ohio. So, you know, those people are very fit. Thank you.
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I mean, talk about, talk about a story that just changed every, like the entire course of our country was changed by the trajectory of that. And you were a huge part of it because you told that story to a mass audience.
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Well, because the mainstream media just didn't want to talk about it. So, you know, people like Charlie Kirk. I didn't have a platform at the time. That was the first story that I had covered because I didn't live too far away. I get there, it's about six hours from my house. I drove through the night, got there on the ground and there's nobody, no cameras. Once I got out of the vehicle, it was an intoxicating odor of fumes. And I just knew that this was going to be really, really bad.
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So, so we go through all that you've been on this journey. Charlie was a huge part of it and that's what he did. He built people up. He just, he built people up. You gotta, you've, you, you got the attention of X and the new management of X, and you got to spend a little time with, with Elon Musk who came yesterday. And it was, it was so nice to see him. I got to say hi, very briefly and it was, it's just wonderful to see him there. He's, he had that moment with President Trump, you know, for Charlie, which I think everyone's talking about to quite an extent. Just tell us a little bit about your day with Elon.
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Yeah, so it was, you know, what.
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What, what you saw.
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I, I actually was caught off guard by that. I think most of us were.
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So that wasn't pre planned.
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It was not. It was not.
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I thought you were like there with the X crew or something.
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No, no, no, no, he just. He. He ended up sitting right in front of me. So of course I was going to have a conversation with him at some point, just especially with some of the. I'm not going to actually disclose what we talked about, but there was some points about Charlie that he was very impressed by. I did post a video of him where he was speaking, and that's when he first used that quote that Charlie was murdered by the light or by the dark because he was bringing people to the light.
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Yes.
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And then he ended up tweeting that line where he was like, yeah, I like that line. That sounds pretty good. So that's when that tweet went out for him, actually saying that. But I thought that was a really good line. And as many people know, one of Charlie's missions in the past few months was bringing the two back together, because these are conservative powerhouses all the time with.
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With Trump and Elon, he said, if there's some way we can just bring this back, it's the most powerful political lions, and. And they should be together. And I know that he wanted that to happen so much.
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Yeah. And I. I was watching Elon's reaction to the speakers. He was very attentive. I've seen him at events before where, you know, he's the owner of, like, one of the most entertaining social media platforms on the planet. Right. So it's hard to, like, take your eyes off of.
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Well, and he runs, like, a gazillion companies.
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Right.
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He's a little bit of a busy.
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Guy, and he was attentively listening to the speakers yesterday.
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Wow.
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I don't know if we have that clip. Do we have that clip?
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I think we have. Well, I don't know. I think we just got the video. I don't. We have the audio.
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You don't really need. I know.
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It's. It's there. It's running.
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Okay. Perfect. Okay. So I took this video yesterday of Elon because I was. I was right. I was right behind him. And the reason that I took the video in this particular moment was because while Elon did stand and applaud, a lot of the times, he did it after other people were already standing up. You know, like how one person does it, and then the crowd, like, slowly starts building up, and he would stand up and clap near the tail end of when people were speaking. But this was when you were speaking and you were. You had this powerful statement about God. And I have to find the exact quote on. I don't want to misquote you But Elon was the first to stand up and clap in this instance. He took it upon himself. What you said was so powerful. I believe it was related to the armor of God. I think that's what.
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Well, I said we need to put on the full armor of God. We need to do it now. We need to do it for Charlie. And we know that when the histories are written, Charlie's sacrifice will have saved the west by the only means possible, by returning the people to God.
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And he stood up first out of anybody in the section. He stood up and he clapped for it. That's why I was so excited. I wanted to tell you that so bad that I almost. Like in your. I texted you almost immediately. It was like all in capital letters. I was so excited for that because that's when I kind of knew. I was like, oh, my God, it's finally hit Elon. You know, Elon is famously not a very religious person.
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No, he's not. And the fact of the matter is that. And you know, obviously thank you to Elon for doing that. But. But it's. It's not just what I said. It's. It was the whole event, right? The whole event was and is now being criticized for, and attacked for. For being very just overtly Christian. Overtly Christian. Overtly Godly. Because you know what? That's who Charlie Kirk was.
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Christian memorial service held for overtly Christian man.
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Who could believe it? Who could believe it? But then, you know, even having. But you would see. I could see that, you know, and Elon is always. He's. He's always kind of like on the edge of whatever's going on, you know, the zeitgeist of. Of whatever the zeitgeist is. And the zeitgeist has been this sort of return to, I guess you could call it public religiosity and the. The use of. And embrace of religion in the public square. And you can't. No. No one looking at Charlie's extraordinary body of work can deny that that's explicitly what Charlie was doing. I mean, Blake, you. You worked with him on these.
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No, no. It was so core to his mission. And it's exactly like, first of all, it's also what his events often were in life in a more scaled back sense. But he always wanted it to be a bigger and bigger thing. He was always a witness to his faith in a very public way.
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And that.
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That is clearly why we had this incredible global outpouring reaction. If Charlie had purely been a politics guy, there would have been a lot of shock. There would have been a lot of reaction, but it was the fact that he was simultaneously a Christian witness. So open and proud about it.
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I. I say I was. I was on some show yesterday. I said that this was Charlie's. Like, this was Charlie's 4D chess. He said, oh, guys, come on. It's just a political debate. Just a political debate. And then you come there and he's like, bam. Gospel. Bam, Bam. Corinthians, Bam. Old Testament. And you're like, wait, what's this guy doing? Wait a minute. This is a sermon. This isn't politics. This is Christianity.
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Well, Charlie, honestly, in my opinion, he made being a Christian cool again.
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Yeah.
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Right. I went to Catholic schools growing up. Right. But even then, being overtly religious in school was something that you'd end up getting made fun of.
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It doesn't always take. Yeah, it doesn't always take. Yeah.
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And so college kids, like.
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And that's changing. That's totally changed. We're coming up on a. On a quick break, but Nick, I just want to say. I just want to say thank you, man. That was. That was really cool. And. And I appreciate you doing that.
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Absolutely. One of the best speeches of the day, if not the best.
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I. Erica.
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I mean, we can't say Erica.
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Yeah.
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I mean, Erica was just perfect.
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I mean, beyond perfect. Words do not describe. Right Back Human events D Jack Wasobic. Back live Human Events Daily Phoenix, Arizona. We're on with Nick Sordor and my good friend Cliff Maloney. Cliff, I don't know that we've ever been on in this studio before physically, even though we were on. This is right where I think I was actually sitting in that chair on the election stream. And Blake was sitting in this chair. And of course, Charlie sits in Charlie's chair, which will remain open. And this is where we were on election night, man. It's right. We were. The tasty cake was right here.
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I can't confirm that. Yeah, I was telling the story on Charlie's show earlier, you know, because we were. We would play the clip and, you know, I tell people that I got lucky because you guys were all here, you know, so when Erica comes in, right, and she hugs Charlie, you know, you guys have to react because you're in the room, you know, with her. Well, we know what's the one thing we can't have during any live show is no one's speaking.
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Right? Yeah, it was. It was technically. Yeah, you're right. That is a. It is a. It is a, you know, a rule of broadcasting that you need some kind of filler. But it's awkward when you're there because like hugging him, dudes like dude's balling, right?
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So I could deal with the awkwardness from not being there.
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Right.
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And so yeah, let me kind of give that little, little remember this moment montage and of course we all will remember that moment.
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And so, so tell me, tell me what your reflections were on. You know, you went through that. We had the memorial yesterday which became. And, and I, I'll just say this backstage. I said to, I'll just say another one of the speakers, I'm not going to name names, but someone whose speech we all saw, I said to him, I said, you know, what's crazy? Not. Or, or perhaps fitting, I should say what's actually what's fitting. They're not cheering for the political stuff, they're cheering for the spiritual. This crowd, they don't want politics, they want the real stuff. They want the real stuff. Have you ever seen anything like that before?
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No. And I don't think we will understand the gravity of the situation, especially us that are, you know, that knew Charlie. But anybody out there that's trying to analyze this from the political or the spiritual realm, the gravity of the situation, I think it's going to take probably five to 10 years to really understand how much of an impact this is going to have. No, and Jack, look, I don't talk about my faith often. I probably should talk about it more. I agree with what J.D. vance said. I think in the last 12 days I've talked more about Jesus Christ than I have and probably 20 years. So I think my reflection on it is it was an event that people to be there was, was truly life changing for those that watched on the stream. I mean you're right, it wasn't politics, it was talking about good versus evil. The event was talking about taking a 31 year old's life for wanting just to be able to speak freely. So to me, I think being in that worship ceremony or setting, I think that there were more people that probably came to Christ yesterday during one of the pastor's speeches than probably any other live stream or event I might say in the history of the world.
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F
It was contagious yesterday. The environment, the atmosphere along with the speeches and people were intently listening to this stuff. And even me, I'm not a particularly religious person either and I'm 100% convinced that the Holy Spirit was in the room. You could feel it. It was just an incredible feeling and I hope that you know, keep considering there were what. How many, how many people ended up in the, in the arena? 70,000 at full capacity.
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A
About 70 in that arena and then another, I think 50 in the arena. The overflow. The overflow for this event was not the parking lot. It was the arena street, which was also filled to the brims with no speakers. But they had it on the, you know, the, the Jumbotron. They had the speakers and, and they said. And every seat was filled there too.
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F
And it was wall to wall coverage on the networks, even MSNBC carrying it live without commercial breaks, CNN doing it, which is mind blowing. You know, these. They were broadcasting.
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A
I kind of, in the entire. I kind of love the idea that the media had to actually listen to the gospel. Yes.
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F
And they had to give it to their, you know. Right, the evil demons that listen to this stuff.
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A
Demons, Demons. Writhing, screaming, throwing up.
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F
No, no, but they're losing the plot, man. They totally. And that was one of the things that they were desperately trying to do yesterday, was downplay it. They were trying to criticize the fact that so many people were coming together and not just crying in unison and surrendering by cowering down to these people. We were. It was a revival. I know we've said it 50 times now, but that's exactly what it was. It was a celebration.
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A
I would be remiss if I didn't mention this. And as. As any Rush Limbaugh fan would know that if Rush were alive today, he would be spending his entire show comparing this to the Wellstone Memorial when the Democrats got up there and spent the entire day politics, all politics, demonizing, attacking, and just, just totally off the rails people giving like crazy long speeches and just absolute absurdism. Whereas this. And by the way, just so people, you know, a little bit behind the scenes, I guess, that I have a single person, you know, come to me and say, hey, this is what we want you to hit. You know, we want you to, you know, keep it focused on this. None of that, none of that. I didn't have a single person. There were. There was no notes. There were no. I mean, I kind of like, I can't. I kind of sense. I'm like talking points like, this is what I'm thinking about doing. And they were like, looks good, and that was it. But that. I wrote that, you know, and so.
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F
I mean, you know that, like, this is all from the heart.
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A
So we all did that without coordinating.
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B
And that's what Charlie would have wanted, you know, this from doing.
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A
I mean, that's that's how normal Turning Points is.
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B
One of the only events where I come and I'm like, hey, you know, are there certain things you do want me to talk about? Don't want me to talk about?
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A
No.
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B
We love your work, Cliff. Come and talk to our people about the work you're doing.
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A
Talk about our partners.
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B
Always. Whatever you want to do, the floor is yours. And I think that those speeches yesterday.
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A
I definitely, I definitely pushed Charlie's limits a little bit on that from time to time. Certain, certain, Certain pink hat fiasco that a couple a little while back, which is totally right, by the way. Nothing, nothing was wrong on those hats, but no was. It was touching beyond words. I, you know, I kind of want to, I, I don't know if it came across in on television. I'd love to talk to somebody who, you know, who wasn't there in the room. I mean, I get the sense, you know, I get the sense from just what I'm hearing and, you know, friends and folks back home that I've talked to and just endless text messages that, that it did, you know, but I, I, in that room, it, it's, it was palpable. It was absolutely palpable. And, you know, I had the question of whether or not I wanted to bring my boys there. Jack, Jack and A.J. they're seven and four. They knew Uncle Charlie. And, you know, it's. It's kind of one of those questions like, like, do you want kids at a funeral? Sort of thing. And I said, you know what? I want them there. I want them there. And shout out to Tanya Tay for bringing them and just being with them. And they were great, you know, very well behaved all day. But you need that because at the end of the day, we're turning this over to them at some point, right?
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F
Well, when it comes to watching these things, this was a long event, right? I mean, when did it start? Like 11.
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A
The whole thing, I think, I think the actual. If you look at the Turning Point stream, it's like nine hours, right?
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F
And the audience, if you look at the retention graph, it just, it's not like it drops off, it continues constant, but it's such a. The Turning Point production team is freaking incredible when it comes to making this stuff. I'm watching the clips back even as I'm there. Seeing as people are talking and you get the reaction from the crowd that the broadcasting live, they had cameras all over the place that really hit the message home. You're not just hearing the applause, you're seeing it. You're seeing close ups of people crying, and people at home were able to connect with that. I've been talking to people, like, even my mom that watched it, and that's the reaction that she had to it.
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B
Yeah, I mean, I think there were. First and foremost, there was the reaction when you first walked in. I'm sure we all had the same exact experience. I mean, it hit me hard walking in that room. And I was, I got there right about when the, like when the first worship was starting. And, you know, to me, I mean, especially being on the floor and just kind of looking around, I mean, it was just, it was wild. And then the most emotional moment for me was. Jack, your speech was great, but I'm going to, I'm going to trumpet a little bit with Erica's speech.
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A
Erica's speech was the best.
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B
And it just.
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A
100.
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B
I just couldn't hold back. And I'm not an easy crier, you know, that type of guy. And just when she came out, like before she even spoke, it just became real for me. And everybody kind of has that.
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A
Oh, you mean that there was that moment before she got to the microphone. Yes. Where it looked like she was praying because she kind of had her head down a little bit. And then she says, I love you. And it was like a prayer that turned into a message to Charlie. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know how you can watch something like that and not. Not be moved. I don't know. Even, even, even Milo Yiannopoulos tweeted. He said, he said, that's the second time I've cried this year.
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F
I don't see President Trump being an emotional guy either. At least he doesn't put on that public face. But the way that he called her up on stage and embraced her, that was making me tear up for sure. I mean, you could tell how much that meant to her, how much that meant to Erica in that moment. And Trump stood up there for what, you know, three, four minutes with her.
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B
Just hugging her and almost felt like she was a granddaughter to him. Yeah, it's kind of how I took that.
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A
I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's family. Right. You know, Charlie was, I mean, and even Don said it. He's like, Charlie was like my little brother. And I think you could see it in Trump's face on when he was at that 911 memorial. Here's a man who was in New York on 9 11, watched the towers fall from Trump Tower, went down to ground Zero. A couple of days later, and he's at that memorial. But he also himself just lost a son. That was the face of a man who just lost his son. Cliff. Nick, thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for speaking for Charlie, for speaking for Erica. Got one more segment, Nick, and we think we're going to have to switch you out because I got a very, very special, well constructed guest.
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F
Oh, yeah.
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A
Next.
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F
Thank you, man. Appreciate you. Keep up the good work.
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A
Jack Wasobic. Back live, Human Events Daily. We're here in the Charlie Kirk studio, Phoenix, Arizona. We got Cliff Maloney on, who was there at the event yesterday, and we have a well constructed guest, though he's in perhaps need of a little reconstruction right now. Joining us, you guys know him as Bricksuit.
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G
Trying to be a little. A little incognito today.
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A
A little incognito. You were in full uniform yesterday to honor Charlie and, and I appreciate. Charlie loved you, man. Charlie loved you. He said every time, every time you were coming to event, if it was Turning Point, they were like, right up front. Bring him up, bring him up, set him up, get him a pass. Get him up there. He loved it. He just. He really loved you, man.
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G
Yeah. And, you know, when I was at the vigil on Monday, I was in street clothes too, and I saw Tyler there, and Tyler said, you got to wear the bricks on Sunday. And it was a, you know, it was. It was the upbeat event I was looking for. And so that's, that's why I was in them.
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B
Jack, question for you. Walk us through what it was like coming up on stage. I mean, listen, I've spoke to big crowds. Never a crowd like that. I mean, I'm assuming that was the largest crowd you've ever spoke to. And what was that like emotionally?
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A
You know, what was it like emotionally? It was just. It was interesting because, you know, that's what Charlie was always doing with me before, right? He was putting me in front of bigger and bigger crowds. He would be building the crowds and then he shared his platform. He's like, Cliff Maloney, get up there. Jack Posoba, get up there. Alex Clark, whoever it is, Riley Gaines, get up there. And even Erica from time to time. And he was, he was training us through those reps. It's like when you go to the gym, you do reps. And so it wasn't, it wasn't the crowd that I was. I was worried about or the cameras or any of that. I just. I just wanted to do it right for Charlie. I Just wanted to do. Do the job right and give Charlie the honor that he deserved in passing because of the way that he lived, because he was our commanding officer, because he was my commanding officer. And. And also the understanding that this wasn't an accident. This was done to him by specific people and a specific series of events. And it's that group that's standing between us and actually being able to unite as a country. And that's what I talked about. I said, they are splitting Western civilization. And I wanted that all to get across. And that. That line, I guess, where, you know, if you take Charlie, you take Charlie down, who's going to replace him? Every single one of us. Every single one of us is going to get up on that line now, because Charlie was able to give us that last extra bit of courage to say, all right, now I'm going to step up. And so I knew that Charlie was with us and then. And that it didn't matter what I thought because. Because I could hear Charlie's voice in my ear saying, jack, get out there. And that's it. You got to do it. Yeah.
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B
And like I said, I mean, I thought your speech was great. I think that was probably the message that took away the most, you know, as you saying that. Well, you know, all of us are going to replace them. And I think everybody's got a piece that they got to bring to the puzzle here that puts it together. And I think Erica at the helm is just fantastic.
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A
No, I mean, Erica is. Well, actually, Brick, because. Because you've known Erica for, you know, from the events for a while now.
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G
Yes.
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A
What. What do you think? I mean, I. I think Erica is perfect for this. What are your thoughts on Erica Kirk taking the reins?
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G
Look, I. I'm all for it. She has the resolve, she's got the strength, she's got the experience of doing the events and. And doing the shows here. But I think, you know, we're just gonna have to wait until she self defines how much she wants to do, because now she's going to be parenting that her children.
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A
I mean, it's impossible and it's.
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G
So can we expect the same type of media cadence out of her event cadence out of her as we could with Charlie? Probably not. That may not be realistic.
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F
We'll see, right?
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A
I'd say may not, but it. What's so remarkable about this is you watch someone and you think about it, right? There's the burden of running a massive organization like that, with all the chapters in the high school chapters and donors and all the rest, Cliff, you know how that goes. A lot of time on the road and a lot. Yeah, just time on the road that it takes. Plus two young, having two young kids beyond the immediate, but just the needs of two little children.
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G
The blueberries on the sidewalk today. When I saw the man that crushed me.
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A
Yeah. And, and the grief, right. Her own personal struggle that she has to go through of, of losing her husband and then having to somehow try to explain that to children. I, I mean I, I told my kids, I said my seven year old, you know, he's, he, he gets it a little more. And, and I was able to say, look, you know, I was able to explain the facts of it to him. And I said, I said Uncle Charlie closed his eyes and when he opened them, he was in heaven. And I could see, I could see my seven year old, Jack, Jack. And he just had this, you know, this little smile but like a little tear in his eye. But the four year old, you know, it's tougher when they're that little and it's, it's, they just don't understand things. And I, I said, look, the way I said it to him was God's got a big fight coming up. God's going into war on the spiritual side and he needs his biggest warriors in his army right now. And that's why he needed Uncle Charlie up there and Hulk Hogan and it's okay. So he's in God's army now and for four year old, for a boy at least, right. That's something that he can wrap his mind around. But, but they don't understand scale, they don't understand, you know, time or any of this. And I, I just, I love the fact that, that they got to meet him, that they got to know him a little bit and that we have, we have these videos now and. Well, you actually, let's bring this up because you have a great idea which I don't want to get ahead of anything, but may already be in the works regarding an app that we could use for this, this gigantic body of work that's out there. Charlie.
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G
Yeah, I mean there's so many. Not just his, not just his debates on college, but you know, any, anything from his speeches. There's so many things he's put out there and if you want to find out like what did Charlie Kirk think about this? Or what did Charlie Kirk think about that? And you go to a search engine, you're going to be getting all sorts of uncurated results.
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A
Oh, Googled. So Google Destroying.
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G
Exactly.
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A
You get all the attack pieces.
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G
So I mean what, you know, what I, what I sent to you was a suggestion that it would be wonderful if there was a turning point landing page that you could go to and say, you know, what did Charlie Kirk say on this topic? A drop down list. You select it and then it gives you any clips in which that's related. So you could go and see like, you know, and where it was at this is, at this debate on this speech. And some of those segments may have one or two schedules, I mean one or two subjects. And so they might get cross indexed and be in two different things. And that's fine with Cliff.
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A
Do you remember on the issues? Yes, Never on the issues. This used to be something they used to do for candidates and it would be, it was like the worst formatted website in the world. But it would, it had this, this like back this like 90s technology where it would just go through each candidate on the issues and you know, you could, you could pull different quotes but it would be well resourced and footnoted and what. You'd have the, whatever it was. But you're saying with Charlie, because of the technology that we have now, you know, we don't need to just go to, you know, written quotes, we can have that too. But you could actually pull up the video. And so, you know, what did Charlie think about? And you could do the spiritual, you could do the political, you could do the personal. And even his last interview was, was about, was about business really. Right. You know, and entrepreneurship. So I mean, you've got all this out. I mean, Cliff, what do you think? Is that, is that something that would work?
- [47:07]
B
I think it'd be great. And I. Look, the one thing I always say is obviously there's no silver lining in this, but if you had to pick one, it's how many new people are now actually looking into Charlie Kirk? Not what the media says about him, not the garbage on Wikipedia, but they are actually looking at what he said. They're looking at videos of him giving speeches, his interactions, the way he answers questions, all the prove me wrongs. New people, and I mean to the tunes of millions are coming to the message of freedom and liberty through this horrific tragedy. And so I think, yeah, the more that we can do to memorialize some of Charlie's positions and all the kind of assets or the, the production teams, you know, things that they've put out, I think it's better because I think you're going to continuously have people that want to know who is Charlie Kirk.
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A
Cliff Maloney. Bricksuit. I want to thank you for being here today. And I want to to echo your words, we can build good from this, but we can't forget that this was an act of pure, unmitigated evil. And for that evil, justice must be done. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay short.